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Stop using the word frau, please!

No one on here wants to be called a faggot so why do we turn around and call women fraus? It's derogatory and shouldn't be used.

by Anonymousreply 24806/29/2013

“There’s a Peter Pan generation of women who haven’t had to grow up, who feel like the world owes them something. They’re rich and white and spoiled, and they expect everything while doing nothing. They’re the end of civilization, these women.”—Isla Fisher in the September 2012 issue of ELLE US

This describes a frau. People -- including other women -- all recognize her

by Anonymousreply 101/16/2013

Frau means "Mrs." in German.

It's not derogatory, at least I don't think it is.

I don't use the word however.

by Anonymousreply 301/16/2013


please! .... Frau is just a German Mrs.

by Anonymousreply 401/16/2013

So what do we call men like that, r2?

by Anonymousreply 501/16/2013

I meant r1.

by Anonymousreply 601/16/2013

[quote]So what do we call men like that, [R2]?

The counterpart of "frau" in German is "herr." feel free to use it.

I refuse to agree that a word that just means "Missus" in German is derogatory. OP is an hysteric.

by Anonymousreply 701/16/2013

[quote]That description applies to what many think of gay men too fool.

Tell us more about life in your country where English is not spoken.

by Anonymousreply 1001/16/2013

Is it a word that wounds?

by Anonymousreply 1301/16/2013

Perhaps, r15, you could get over your little hissy fit and re-read your words in the gray box at r10, and then explain to us what you actually [italic]meant[/italic] to write.

by Anonymousreply 1601/16/2013

I'm a frau and I love the frau threads. We haven't had a good one in a while. I especially like the collaborative office pot luck threads.

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by Anonymousreply 2301/16/2013

@ R12 As well as "slit" I assume?

by Anonymousreply 2501/16/2013

No "hole?"

by Anonymousreply 2601/16/2013

It wounds.

by Anonymousreply 2701/16/2013

I'm a straight gal who loves the word frau to describe housewives/soccer moms.

by Anonymousreply 2801/16/2013

pointless bitchery

by Anonymousreply 3001/16/2013

Be gone, frau!!!

Your pussy has no power here!!!

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by Anonymousreply 3401/16/2013

I'm hoping for more frau threads after reading this shit.

by Anonymousreply 3501/16/2013

What are you afraud of?

by Anonymousreply 3701/16/2013

But what if we are German?

by Anonymousreply 3801/16/2013

I am female and find the use of "frau" amusing. It has no power to pigeonhole me because I am not one to apply labels to others or to myself. I enjoy the conversations here, the random and inclusive name calling and find it funny rather than hurtful. Now, if you met me face to face and labeled me a frau because you saw me as dumpy, petty, self-absorbed, and overly concerned about feeding my family I might take a serious look at what I've become. But not me, I'm awesome!

by Anonymousreply 3901/16/2013

OP, "Frau" is not the equivalent of other slurs just because your cunt is in the wringer over it. I suppose if someone starting referring to "droles" you'd feel free to scream at the "faggots" over that, too.

You just want gay men to lick your pussy, because you think that's all your power is worth. Sorry. Nope.

And, by the way, I'm German, so I REALLY don't get your ire except for the absurd twattery it is.

by Anonymousreply 4001/17/2013

R33= accurate as well.

by Anonymousreply 4101/17/2013

[quote]Thank you for trying, OP.

Yeah. What a service he's done for the world, demanding that a group of random, anonymous strangers stop using the term 'frau.'

I hope the Nobel Committee is reading.

by Anonymousreply 4201/17/2013

Sometimes I think we are better than racists and homophobes because we know what it's like to be treated like shit. But then I wake up and realize, no we're not. We're just as ignorant. So fucking sad.

by Anonymousreply 4301/17/2013

Frau has never been a term for women, it describes a certain subset of women. Not saying it isnt a slur here but i get what posters mean when they use it.

by Anonymousreply 4401/17/2013

"Frau" is usually used as a dismissive term for straight woman. No distinctions are made, and it cultivates an "us vs. them" mentality. I prefer not to engage in that, but if others want to, that's their choice.

by Anonymousreply 4501/17/2013

Jesus, R32. That was the funniest thing I've read on this site in years!

by Anonymousreply 4801/17/2013

If this is supposed to be a site of, by and for gay men, why do women, especially fraus, choose to hang around here anyway? If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen! This is a free-speech, freewheeling site and if you don't like use of what is here the descriptive word "frau", don't come here, the solution is simple. Start a site of your own where you can bitch, piss and moan, only don't assume that you have some sort of authority to censor anybody. Why is it that whenever gay men try to find a refuge someplace to be free of the heterosexual breeders, they surely seek it out and follow? One can only repeat--if you don't like it here, leave!!

by Anonymousreply 4901/17/2013

OP, this is a gay website.. if you don't like it, fine. You're free to leave.

by Anonymousreply 5101/17/2013

"Frau," as it is used here on DL, means (to me) a certain mindset and sometimes physical appearance of a married breeder woman, often in a workplace setting.

To me, that's it.

I think OP has a bee in his bonnet thinking this word is an appalling slur.

by Anonymousreply 5201/17/2013

R52 I agree with you. Only a minority of women are fraus. Those who think that Luke Evans is straight because he said so and was photographed with Holly something and want "proofs" are fraus.

by Anonymousreply 5401/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 5501/17/2013

Why is this thread still here? What's with all the anti gay bullishit?


by Anonymousreply 5601/17/2013

[quote]If this is supposed to be a site of, by and for gay men

Link please.

by Anonymousreply 5701/17/2013

MARY @ R56

by Anonymousreply 5801/17/2013

Hallo! Sehr nett, dass ihr Deutsch gelernt habt!

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by Anonymousreply 6001/17/2013


R49 is absolutely correct, the fraus need to leave, and OP needs to shut the fuck up.

And I really love this thread. Some very creative frauisms!

by Anonymousreply 6101/17/2013

And I quote:

[quote]1. frau - Stupid fat ugly older woman who posts non-stop on message boards about old lady topics, such as hummus recipes and their current object of lust. This object of obsession is usually a fugly contestant on American Idol (e.g. Taylor Hicks) or some other fug and/or gay singer, who they insist is very sexy and/or straight. Also hausfraus. NOUN - The fraus are worthless and should be banned. ADJECTIVE - She wasn't frau enough to join their Taylor board.

by Anonymousreply 6201/17/2013

[quote]such as hummus recipes and their current object of lust.

Substitute "cole slaw" for "hummus" and you have a current snapshot of DL.

by Anonymousreply 6301/17/2013

Stop being so disrespectful here, aren't we all suppose to be mature ladies and gentlemen?

by Anonymousreply 6401/17/2013

Meine liebe Frau OP:

Cun't you understand that attempting to push your agenda here both misunderstands and co-opts most of the intentions behind the words you gape at (social commentary of an acute sense aimed at a particular womnyefestation of your gender).

The Frau - and that's the word you fired at - is an overbearing, demanding, controlling, proudly uneducated, consumerist, vulgar, spirit-sapping type of person who happens to have a kangaroo's pouch for a pudenda. What does that have to do with you in such a fundamental way that you and your cohorts here attempt to slit the throats of the gay men on the DL?

Oh. Never mind. I just got it.


by Anonymousreply 6501/17/2013

I thought a frau was a selfish, entitled, child obsessed, and fear driven female?

by Anonymousreply 6601/17/2013

Need I mention that the frauen and fraulein are the ones posting some of the most homophobic comments on DL. (Please note that I do not include our lesbian sisters when I use that term.)

For that reason alone, they should be shot into outer space, let alone out of DL.

by Anonymousreply 6701/17/2013

r66 yeah, I'm confused as what the definition is.

and then there's the issue of expecting a reasoned discussion of interpersonal relationships on DL. I hear to sound of pearl on pearl action!

by Anonymousreply 6801/17/2013

Frau doesn't refer to a woman per se. It refers to a woman who behaves and thinks in a certain way. Exactly what the definition is is open to debate. It is true that some people use it as an all-encompassing insult. Like "breeders" or, originally, "straights"

by Anonymousreply 6901/17/2013

A frau is a female het that dreams of populating the earth with her crotch droppings. She works in a cubicle, distributes glurge via Facebook, and eats at Chick-Fil-A. Fraus have may have romantic feelings for Anderson Cooper or Jake Gyllenhaal. The strangest fraus write "slash" fan fiction. Slash is to straight women as bad lesbian porn is to straight men.

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by Anonymousreply 7201/17/2013

Fuck off homophobic cunt r58

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by Anonymousreply 7401/17/2013

I like the word frau, it's funny, and way less hurtful than the word faggot.

by Anonymousreply 7501/17/2013

It's a far kinder word than fraus deserve...

by Anonymousreply 7601/17/2013

Sent from my iphone while shopping at Yankee Candle for vanilla angelfood scented pillars.

by Anonymousreply 7701/17/2013

R77 made me laugh do hard I pissed in my pink size 16 velour tracksuit.

by Anonymousreply 7801/17/2013

"made me laugh do hard"

oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 7901/17/2013

r77 would be funny but it make no sense? Clearly the YC is a frauville. Something r72 is not.

by Anonymousreply 8001/17/2013

Most of the things "fraus" are picked on for seem harmless (scented candles???). It just seems catty.

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by Anonymousreply 8201/17/2013

R71, you cunty frau, I never said anything about hate.

What is it with you troglodytic gunt chasms that cannot differentiate between others noticing what a mess you are and others hating you?

I don't hate you. I just see you for what you are - self-hating voids that all the cookie dough in the world cannot fill. And when you puddle your chronic yeast infection pee all over the DL because you think you can plop your distorted values here - or infest our lives with your glitter unicorn shirts shining with microwave popcorn grease stains as you crap out another hour-long tirade about the neighbor who asked you to stop letting your mongrel loose on his property - and not get called on it,

you're just mistaken.

by Anonymousreply 8301/17/2013

[quote] If this is supposed to be a site of, by and for gay men

R49, where the fuck do you get the idea that DL is for men only? It never has been and it never will be. Despite your narcissistic view of life and gayhood, there are gay females as well.

As for "frau" - it is a perfectly good tagline for a type of person that DL finds obnoxious and entitled. I may not be able to define it but I know it when I see it.

by Anonymousreply 8401/17/2013

When do I get my cankles and stirrup leggings? I've been frau'd up for getting to 3 years now; did I miss the welcome wagon?

by Anonymousreply 8601/17/2013

And another thing, can you PLEASE direct to the nearest Krispy Kremes store?? I have not eaten for two hours and I feel faint!!!

by Anonymousreply 8701/17/2013

r57, are you retarded? All you need to do is read the caption under the logo "the Datalounge" next to the threadlist--it says, "get your fix of GAY gossip, news and pointless bitchery"--your apparent lust for a link is right before you, dimwit. I can only assume that you're one of those who pays little attention to detail--you most likely are lazy at wiping and leave dingleberries and are a bottom and can't understand why no one will fuck you.

by Anonymousreply 8801/17/2013

R85, as I stated somewhere else in this thread I'm a straight female who uses frau to describe a certain type of female. Married with kids, and there is nothing wrong with that, but it's a demeanor and attitude that makes a frau. Usually overweight and, yes, wearing sweats or oversized tees decorated with puff paint and glitter with hobbies like scrapbooking and incessant chatter about their kids who their entire life revolves around. I've been around these women when I've been dragged to Scentsy parties, god help me. I've also heard them discussing the Twilight movies as if they were 14 year old teens. They discuss food A LOT. They drive minivans or oversized SUV's whether they need them or not. Some of them are nice but dull and some of them are nasty, vile human beings. They tend to be suspicious of single moms.

by Anonymousreply 8901/17/2013

I said "IF" r84--you're the one who ASS-U-MEed it was my idea--maybe you need to go back to third grade and practice reading with SRA cards again. And as for calling me narcissistic, bitch please, don't try and flatter yourself. Gayhood--did you just make that word up on the spot?

by Anonymousreply 9001/17/2013

Cosigning everything R89 posted.

by Anonymousreply 9101/17/2013

Sounds like the equivalent of straight guys whose lives revolve around sports, pussy, hot wings, and beer.

by Anonymousreply 9201/17/2013

R87, be respectful to the ladies here.

by Anonymousreply 9301/17/2013

R92, in the wild, those are know as fraufuckers.

by Anonymousreply 9401/17/2013

" And another thing, can you PLEASE direct to the "

oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 9501/17/2013

Are there any black fraus?

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by Anonymousreply 9701/17/2013

Possibly a few R96 but it seems to be a "white" thing. Asians have their "tiger moms" and Hispanics/Blacks have their no nonsense "I'll smack your ass" moms. I know very few non-white women who scrapbook.

by Anonymousreply 9801/17/2013

[quote]be respectful to the ladies here

Regardless of their gender.

by Anonymousreply 9901/17/2013

I think they google things like peanut allergy or fibromyalgia and find their way here and don't bother finding out that it's a gay website for pointless bitchery. They post things that immediately identify themselves thus inviting heaps of abuse.

by Anonymousreply 10101/17/2013

[quote]they google things like peanut allergy or fibromyalgia and find their way here and don't bother finding out that it's a gay website for pointless bitchery. They post things that immediately identify themselves

Classic frau is forever offended

by Anonymousreply 10201/17/2013

I think hate is a very strong word R103. I don't "hate" anyone. It's a very negative emotion. I may dislike something and do my best to avoid it but not really "hate".

by Anonymousreply 10401/17/2013

R49/R90, we'll ignore your childish outburst and transparent backpedaling.

This is what you said:

[quote] If this is supposed to be a site of, by and for gay men, why do women, especially fraus, choose to hang around here anyway? . . . Why is it that whenever gay men try to find a refuge someplace to be free of the heterosexual breeders, they surely seek it out and follow?

Don't pretend your "IF" was anything but an exclusive disjunctive type proposition. If X is Y then it can not be Z. You believe, wrongly, that this site is for gay men only. Don't deny that is what you said in your post.

by Anonymousreply 10501/17/2013

R84/R105, you're right about the DL being for all gay people, and it is true that the men have a tendency to by slapdash, dismissive and vulgar about gay women on the site. I know I have - the retrospective look has been shaming, and I don't do it now. Unless the context and humor make it more fun - Nan and all.

With that said, your "exclusive disjunctive type proposition" does suggest you look like this.

by Anonymousreply 10601/17/2013

I thought this site was for gays and lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 10701/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 10801/17/2013

If straight women are so affronted by what goes on in here, why do they keep coming back? Why do they feel it is their right to admonish the people having harmless fun in here? If you don't like the topic of a thread, move on to the NEXT ONE.

by Anonymousreply 10901/17/2013

Op, what is it you cunt face?

by Anonymousreply 11001/17/2013

R109 [italic] NAILED [/italic] it!!

by Anonymousreply 11101/17/2013

People on this thread imagining that using the term "frau" is somehow on the same moral level with racism or the legal inequality of gay people has their head up their ass.

It's a stretch, dears.

by Anonymousreply 11201/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 11301/17/2013

Just remember, ladies, that a smile is fraun turned upside down.

Over a rushing river, preferably.

by Anonymousreply 11401/17/2013

Well, R106, at least she has all her hair. Why do I suspect you don't ;)

by Anonymousreply 11501/17/2013

The first time I read DL and saw the word frau I assumed it was a polite way of suggesting to newcomers that most people who post on this site are New York types with a lot of familiarity with Europe, about half I thought must belong to the time honored Hebrew religion.

Then I read some anti semitic comments and I decided that instead of a cultural suggestion to readers frau must be a very practical way to substitute writing the long too formal word "woman" or too informal "girl".

Now this thread suggests frau is a way to insult women.Which one I wonder would be correct.

by Anonymousreply 11601/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 11701/17/2013

Hey r115. Men go bald. It's masculine. Gay men are attracted to masculinity. Your comment is irrelevant.

by Anonymousreply 11801/17/2013

Suuuuuuuuuuuure, r119.

by Anonymousreply 12001/17/2013

Considering this argument has been going on for five or six years now, you have to wonder what keeps these gals coming back to this horrible, nightmarish, triggering environment day after day.

by Anonymousreply 12101/17/2013

R119, your mistake is using DL to gauge all gay men. Go out and meet some real ones.

Some of the straight women who come here deserve the names they are called but I would never judge all straight women by the ones I encounter here, or any other internet website. And if I judged all lesbians based on you, I'd think all lesbians were stupid. Good thing I know a few real people.

by Anonymousreply 12201/17/2013

It's the hilarious babble of stick-up-the-twat womyn such as R119 that gay men are "jealous of" women that underscores the hysterical, brittle mindsets of some of our sisters here. They think, in their insulated, concrete way, that they can talk to gay men as if they're lesser forms of humanity, and that the tactics women use to browbeat, control and shun each other work with gay men.

We're not jealous of women in any way. We love women - they're usually our best friends, the members of our family we support, and the coworkers we are allied with. Don't, in your habitual lazy cold way think that just because we are wise to women's bullshit, and reject the "frau" shit that creeps in here, that we find women as a group abominable.

It's the specific messes we find appalling. And you're getting there, my sister.

by Anonymousreply 12301/17/2013

Preach, r123.

by Anonymousreply 12401/17/2013

Women aren't being called fraus, but the fraus are

by Anonymousreply 12501/17/2013

If you don't ACT like a frau then you have nothing to worry about, sweeties.

by Anonymousreply 12601/17/2013

Why are lesbians getting upset with fraus being called fraus?

So they support entitlement, selflessness, and child obsession?

If it's yes then please explain why?

by Anonymousreply 12801/17/2013

Fraus are not a minority, dear.

by Anonymousreply 12901/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 13001/17/2013

Our kind of people would have said properly, 'Please, stop using the word frau!' Accordingly, this is just nothing.

by Anonymousreply 13101/17/2013

[quote]One minority sluring another minority - check

Check minus. Women are not a minority. They are the majority. And the term "fraus" does not refer to all women the way that a "slur" refers to all members of a minority. It refers to a particular type of woman. Catherine Deneuve, Virginia Woolf, and Hillary Clinton are/were not fraus.

[quote] Saying derogatory things about some of gay people's only supporters and in some cases only friends -check

Even if this were the case, it hardly makes a convincing argument. In many cases, white women were the only friends that black women had outside the community in the south during the civil rights movement. It did not mean black women had to accept everything a white woman said or did, or that black women were totally out of line making fun of the excesses of Southern white women, even sympathetic ones, behind their backs.

[quote]Saying those derogatory things are only as a joke but obviously exposing our own insecurities


[quote]Both groups worshipping the hot straight guy who thinks we are a bunch of Fags and Pussies - check

Hardly. Straight guys are just like any other group. Some great ones, many are loathsome. This idea that gay men worship straights is pretty infantile and regressive imho and just something the foot-stompers say because they can't think of any other argument against the frau brigade.

by Anonymousreply 13201/17/2013

It's best not to judge any group by what you see on DL. The gay men I know in real life don't talk about women like this. I don't know any women who fit into these categories either, which makes it hard for me to understand these threads.

Unless they're hateful, it doesn't bother me if straight women have interests/hobbies that differ from mine. Nor do I care what they look like, what they wear, or how much they weigh, since I'm not sexually interested in them anyway. And I certainly don't care how they decorate their homes. If they have obnoxious personalities, that's one thing, but that has nothing to do with the way they look or whether they like scented candles.

by Anonymousreply 13301/17/2013

[QUOTE[]So even though I have known many, many gay men over the 40-or-so years I've been out, I still believe that most gay men, if they had their "druthers," would prefer to have been born female.

One of the most ridiculous things I've ever read on this site.

Not easy in these parts.

by Anonymousreply 13501/17/2013

[quote]all we have to do is flash our tits or wiggle our asses and men give us whatever we want![/quote]

Most of the time, this works for me; sorry you've had such a hard existence.

by Anonymousreply 13601/17/2013

I wouldn't give up my schlong, evah!

by Anonymousreply 13701/17/2013

Would the inane, demented and brutishly semi-conscious R119/R134 please duck her head down and lose herself within the black hole of her barnacled, chum-reeking cunt?

You can just see it, metronoming herself in Grandma's rocker, the cat box overflowing, face scarlet with rancor as she FINALLY has her say about how much she hates men. Via the gay men who she still looks down on because that's the nature of the disease.

by Anonymousreply 13801/17/2013

R134 = Frau. With penis envy.

by Anonymousreply 13901/17/2013


by Anonymousreply 14001/17/2013

chum-reeking cunt?

heh heh

by Anonymousreply 14101/17/2013

R142, the illogical equivalencies in your claptrap spillage of hate mark you as not just a frau, but a nasty person, whatever the baggage of your unloved and unwanted genitalia.

It's just as we all know - fraus are loathed here because of what you are.

by Anonymousreply 14301/17/2013

r142 = selfish entitled child obsessed cunt.

At lease you admit it.

by Anonymousreply 14501/17/2013

Fraus like to pretend that they lead enviable lives.

by Anonymousreply 14701/18/2013

[quote] Is Frau only a DL internet construct? Is that right. I know what it is supposed to mean, no need to explain that.

no. it is all over. Check Urban dictionary. Apparently in the UK it is used for women who try to participate in things that are age inappropriate or where they are not wanted. (sort of like the ABFab women worrying about young pop stars and clubbing etc.)

I think that is how it became popular on DL.

by Anonymousreply 14901/18/2013

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by Anonymousreply 15001/18/2013

Oh Babe, that"ll do.

by Anonymousreply 15101/18/2013

r84,r105 one must give you credit for one thing, you try to twist words and put words in other people's mouths which marks you as being slimey, sort of like some lawyer; tiresome, didactic fraus like you are quickly flushed around here. If my posts have bothered you then please, let them bother the hell out of you--I take it as a compliment that they have so much power over you and I welcome your annoyance. I don't deny anyone the right to post here, but if a "frau" is a type that is unwelcome then they should expect what's coming to them. Look at it this way, if the only ones who posted here were lesbians I shouldn't wonder that it would be a rather dull affair, however, by the same token, if it were only gay men posting here I would be willing to bet that it would "hold its own".

by Anonymousreply 15201/18/2013

I made no mention of hatred r153, I just don't like what I say to be misrepresented and misinterpreted no matter who it is. Holding one's own is merely an expression--for example: "Mr. Smith, are you comfortable in social situations?" Reply: "I can 'hold my own'". I guess it might be a little dated for younger crowds--I don't know. I will go so far as to agree with you that I am not like the average gay guy and one older friend of mine once said I was a "queer queer". So, OK, you sort of lost me on "virtual territory" and the "more important and interesting ground", would you care to elaborate? What I think about or how I think about it could get "philosophical" fairly quickly, maybe further explanation might be in order??

by Anonymousreply 15401/18/2013

There is not a thing wrong with using the word, "Frau". Thanks to Datalounge, I've been referring to fat, "my kid's mom", types for years as hausfraus.

Now, if somebody were stupid enough to use the f**got word to me in person, I'd just knock a bitch out. Man, woman or child.

by Anonymousreply 15501/18/2013


by Anonymousreply 15601/18/2013

OP, don't worry. Fraus are a minority, the great majority of females are intelligent women.

by Anonymousreply 15801/18/2013

Correct R119, all you have to do is flash your titties, that is why 99 percent of all strippers are female. You can literally pay the rent by flashing your titties.

The Facts Don't Lie:

by Anonymousreply 15901/18/2013

R160 Stop pretending that gays don't like women. We don't like fraus, a minority as I sais before. To me also hormonal teens/twenties who invade every social forum shouting how hot is Henry Cavill are annoying, but they're young and there's still hope they won't become fraus but smart women.

by Anonymousreply 16101/18/2013

said the frau. R162

by Anonymousreply 16301/18/2013

This isn't a support group R162, its a light hatred place for pointless bitchery.

Even Gladiators needed a special place the sharpen their skills before they went into battle.

So edgy humor is off limits now? We cant be serious and have some fun on the side? You need to get laid.

by Anonymousreply 16401/18/2013

[quote]Do you know what sickens me the most. When I read these threads I wonder why there is a fight for gay marriage.I wonder why anyone would fight for us at all !

If visiting an anonymous online forum where people exhibit honest human traits instead of being morally perfect and loving everyone and having infinite tolerance for all behaviors, I feel sorry for you. I know it's shocking to you, but gay people are human as well, and have all of the same negative traits that straight people have. I'm sorry that the realization that gay people are human beings is so devastating to you.

My guess is that you are either one of the many straight women who come here to create excuses to justify their homophobia, or you are a gay man struggling with internalized homophobia. Either way, I hope you can work out these issues for yourself.

by Anonymousreply 16601/18/2013

*** If visiting an anonymous online forum where people exhibit honest human traits instead of being morally perfect and loving everyone and having infinite tolerance for all behaviors [bold]is devastating to you[/bold], I feel sorry for you.

by Anonymousreply 16701/18/2013

R166, I like you, I really like you. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 16801/18/2013

Not to get off topic, but I agree that hatred toward women is very mainstream and hetero value. They hate gay men for the qualities they perceive to be female. I think they also feel threatened with obsolescence by lesbians, especially butch women. I work with macho straight guys and they spend a lot of time talking about how much they hate gays and women every day.

by Anonymousreply 16901/18/2013

R170, if that didn't speak to you in some way, why did you answer it?


by Anonymousreply 17101/18/2013

R170 The blatant misogyny is only towards the minority of fraus and hormonal teenagers, not women in general. In fact, it would be more correct to say that there is annoyance towards narrow-minded females.

by Anonymousreply 17301/18/2013

R174, again confusing a few DL posters with all gay men. I used to think it was a good thing when ignorant straight women like you would come here, they'd learn something. Silly me. Go meet some real gay people.

by Anonymousreply 17501/18/2013

[quote]Sorry [R34], I dont even like hanging around women any more let alone be one. Soooo manipulative. Oh, I just got a divorce and I need a gay friend to help be decorate...

So because 2 or 3 women you know have tried to exploit you, ALL 3 billion women in the world are evil manipulators.

You're not very bright are you? No wonder you have predators in your life trying to use you.

Does that mean that the next time a gay man let's me down I can feel free to condemn all gay men?

by Anonymousreply 17601/18/2013

Is it any different from you R176? Painting all gay men and all DLers based on the posts of a few?

by Anonymousreply 17701/18/2013

No, obviosly!

by Anonymousreply 17801/18/2013

I understand what you're saying R173. This site includes everything, including venting. That's part of what makes it so interesting. But it bums me out when it's not just one or two people venting, but [italic]many[/italic] being downright hateful in their posts.

Whatever. You do what you want. Free country and all that, but misogyny is no more justifiable than homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 18001/18/2013

[quote]But that is xenophobic and bigoted isn't it?

Perhaps so. But I don't wail and gnash my teeth because there are forums online where people are engaging in that sort of humor, r179. In fact, even if I don't believe such stereotypes describe all Americans, I can acknowledge that there's probably a bit of truth to the stereotype (I've probably laughed a bit at jokes about "the ugly American" myself).

I don't shriek that Europeans who engage in that sort of humor deserve to be legally unequal, I don't shriek that they're xenophobes akin only to the Nazis and segregationists. I don't shriek that such humor is slowly killing them.


by Anonymousreply 18101/18/2013

[quote] but misogyny is no more justifiable than homophobia.

It isn't but when directed at straight women it's a secondary concern at a gay & lesbian website.

Get rid of all the homophobia here first if you want me to care.

by Anonymousreply 18201/18/2013

[quote] but there is no DL derogratory term for the male equivalent?

Tool, douche, asshole, asshat, dick, asswipe, Republican. These all have been used to describe certain types of straight guys on this forum, and they all seem far worse than frau.

by Anonymousreply 18401/18/2013

I think that most of those terms can equally be thrown at women and why not? instead of using a gender loaded term like "frau".

by Anonymousreply 18501/18/2013

R184, don't forget fraufuckers!

by Anonymousreply 18601/18/2013

And since "frau" usually describes a conservative, evangelical woman who is against gay rights, it is actually aimed at an oppressor.

by Anonymousreply 18701/18/2013

[quote]I think that most of those terms can equally be thrown at women and why not?

Douche and dick are almost never thrown at woman. And frau is often thrown at men on this very forum, in this very thread, so your point doesn't make sense, frau.

by Anonymousreply 18801/18/2013

If it quacks like a frau...

by Anonymousreply 19101/18/2013

[quote]so I'm a "conservative, evangelical woman who is against gay rights"?

Well, no. But your emotional, dramatic, controlling overreaction to stupid bullshit makes you fraulike.

"Douche" most often describes an overly confident, egotistical, narcissistic young straight man. But anyone can be a bit of a douche sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 19201/18/2013

[quote]I don't think anyone should roll around in their negative traits with such glee the way a lot of you seem to on this thread. Pathetic. I don't go to message boards and hate on gay men and then excuse it by saying I'm just 'being human.' What a weak ass excuse. My guess is this is how you rationalize your blatant misogyny.

R170, either you are illiterate and couldn't understand what R166 said, or you think it's justifiable to judge all gay people based on what someone posted on an anonymous message board. Either you're an idiot or a bigot.

by Anonymousreply 19301/18/2013

Everyone here complaining about the use of the term "frau" seems to be forgetting that the DL traffics in "pointless bitchery".

by Anonymousreply 19401/18/2013

Don`t be such a mujer!

by Anonymousreply 19601/18/2013

We used to say "cow" and "sow."

by Anonymousreply 19701/18/2013

This is why the DL is so fun.

A few self-dazzled, smug and righteous-minded twats wander into the fray with nothing but their prejudice, lazy-easy-habitual snatch-shots ("You're mean!" "You hate yourselves!" "You are jealous of my oozing cunt!" "You have the nerve to expect me to support your human rights and you don't want to fuck me and love me forever and give me a white wedding and let me control your ass for the rest of your life because I let you use me as a masturbation hole, which is all most men want women for in the first place because women are so fucking neeeeeeeeedy but never admit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "I pity you!" "I'm a lesbian and I pretend to tolerate gay men but I have bigger balls than they do even if they're made out of wadded cigarette packs and Super Glue!) and confidence that if they could just lose 170 pounds they could get Brad Pitt (or Angelina), too, going for them, and then linger forever saying the same things because they JUST CAN'T LET THIS STAND because if even a useless gay man can't kiss the twat their whole existence is going to fall apart.

Fraus? Frauen? Twats? Cunts?


Typical women, playing the usual games and shrieking because gay men won't play, because of innate immunity to their poison.

by Anonymousreply 19901/18/2013

I'm always astounded by how un-enlightened a good number of gay men are. Then I remember that the only people more emotionally damaged than they are M to F trans people, so I try to cut them a bit of slack.

by Anonymousreply 20001/18/2013

Out of curiosity, and on the odd chance that someone is willing to answer, would the straight women here please answer why you choose to post on a "gay" forum? This would really be helpful info. Thanks in advance.

by Anonymousreply 20101/18/2013

R202 demonstrates the value of its type of contributor to the DL. Sounds like a combination offender - woman + special status of woeful kind.

by Anonymousreply 20301/18/2013


by Anonymousreply 20401/18/2013


by Anonymousreply 20501/18/2013

Cunt, frau, bitch, hypocritical loud mouth bitch. They ALL spell the same fucking thing....WOMAN!

by Anonymousreply 20601/18/2013

The Bible does not talk about Adam and Steve.

It talks about Adam and Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 20701/18/2013

201 I'm also curious, so...

Out of curiosity, and on the odd chance that someone is willing to answer, would the straight women here please answer why you choose to post on a "gay" forum? This would really be helpful info. Thanks in advance.

by Anonymousreply 20801/19/2013

Because they are women. Women are all nuts. Why don't the lot of you just go away. You're ALL CUNTS. Straight women are bad enough but lesbians too? It's just not fair what the gay man has to endure. Not fair at all.

by Anonymousreply 20901/19/2013

R134, your logic is flawed and science is twisted:

"And that's what I've learned from reading DL religiously for 10+ years, certainly a statistically significant sample size of gay men's posts"

That is like saying "I worked at Cheese Cake Factory for 10 years and I have come to the conclusion that all breeder are fat pigs. I know lost of strait people who go there so that's how they really are." "I know this based on a the random sampling of thousands of breeders that eat at Cheese Cake Factory"

Most gay men I know have never even hear of this site. They have no interest in bitchy humor. That is an effeminate quality a lot of gay men are just not into.

by Anonymousreply 21001/19/2013

This thread is pitiful. PITIFUL. You're all severely unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 21101/19/2013

R209 is right, the term Psyco-Bitch exists for a reason. No one ever says Psyco-Dude.

by Anonymousreply 21201/19/2013

Yes R210. Gay men rule. We always have and always will.

by Anonymousreply 21301/19/2013

Lesbians are more man hating then straight women, duh!

As a gay man straight women and lesbians hang out at the gay bars all the time no problem. Their vagina dose not let them cut in line like a straight bar, or tons of free drinks but they get treated fairly, like a guy.

Walk into a womans bar even as a gay man is like taking my life in my own hands. Dirty looks, questioning why I am there, ignored to be served at the bar when I wait my turn. I could go on. Complexity unfriendly even after they figure out I am gay and not trying to pic them up.

The only lesbians that even will consider a friendship are over the age of 40. That is only because they realize we are not leaving the planet like they hoped so they have thrown in the towel and we are here till they die, so might as well get along.

by Anonymousreply 21401/19/2013

Have at it lesbo

by Anonymousreply 21501/19/2013

[quote]Lesbians are more man hating then straight women, duh!

Uh, possibly some, but the lesbians I've known have never bothered to talk about men much at all. If the topic is brought up by an outsider, they're more like, "I have no interest in that."

But gay men are obsessed with women and gush about them CONSTANTLY- either in sheer hatred of them in a creepily generalized way, or in envy of something "fabulous" that one of them did or wore (usually disguised as accolades). It's true.

by Anonymousreply 21601/19/2013

shove it frau, shove it frau, shove it frau

by Anonymousreply 21701/19/2013

Oh, eloquence.

by Anonymousreply 21801/19/2013

OK, OP. After this trainwreck, how about this as a compromise, in the name of understanding and in the spirit of equanimity and lesbian-gay male relations, as well as straight-women and gay-men neutrality:

Instead of "frau," how about we call you "frowsy"?

It's the best I can do, especially after wading through the latest leaden, humorless, mutton-headed lesbian posts.

Take it or suffer through "fraucuntgapetunacurtains."

by Anonymousreply 21901/19/2013

If you really don't want your space invaded by straight women, keep posting in the "presenting their holes," Broadway, porn star, soap opera, Matt Bomer, Mariska Hargitay threads because no straight woman with more than three working brain cells would find them interesting.

by Anonymousreply 22001/19/2013

is that a threat or a promise r220?

by Anonymousreply 22101/19/2013

R216 is just mad because gay men can play with women on the most superficial level and leave it at the door.

Lesbians have to take a silicon replica of a mans junk into the bedroom to pleasure their partner.

No wonder they give men the stink eye and don't want to "discuss" IT. Go to IT girls!

by Anonymousreply 22201/19/2013

R220 = Sniping Cunt (with delusions about the gape gender and its intelligence, interests and behavior)

by Anonymousreply 22301/19/2013

R201 & R208, I'll gladly answer! Sometime last year, I had the TV on as background noise and heard the name 'Faye Resnick' came up. It sounded so familiar but I couldn't place it and Googled; one of the links that came up was for DL and the thread on Nicole Brown, Faye and Kris Jenner and what they were like in the 90s.

The responses were witty and without filter; I just loved it. I didn't even notice the DL tagline about gay gossip until my second visit but the moment I saw a thread on Reese Rideout and his busted (and in denial) wife, I was hooked.

I'm not here to fangurl and scream about Jeremy 'Plasticine Face' Renner being straight or talk about how peanut products should be pulled from all stores because my (imaginary) child has a mild allergy. The pointless bitchery pulls me in every time; if it's a problem for me to post, I'll stop and just read.

by Anonymousreply 22401/19/2013

R225 I agree with you. R224 seems one of the smart women. Welcome.

by Anonymousreply 22601/19/2013

R41/R211/R216/R218 is the entitled cunt who has been crapping her homophobic, ageist, entitiled drivel all over the site. She thinks that by hiding behind "don't speak if you can't take it" she can spread her hate speech as she will. Because she's so much smarter than anyone else. And rich - she's managed to tell everyone about her archaeologist father with whom she has issues, that she is rich, that she went to a fancy private school - and that she has to insert her loathing of older people in every thread because of her daddy issues.

Blow this homophobic cunt out of here. She's playing "voice of reason" like she learned in sophomore year and has that insane tenacity associate with the worst trolls here. Oh - she also is APPALLED by the DL. Entitled asshole.

by Anonymousreply 22701/19/2013

Thanks, R224. I think a lot of other non-gay people find this site by mistake. The problems begin when some of them start posting homophobic comments; however, the problems escalate from there.

While some homophobes will post one or two comments and then leave, others seem to revel in it and do it over and over. Most [italic]appear[/italic] to be "straight" women, but some are most likely men assuming a woman's identity. Even worse, some are actually gay folk getting their kicks by assuming a homophobe's identity. Very bizarre.

It's virtually impossible to tell friend from foe on this site because of the anonymity factor. A poster may decide to be a benevolent Glinda one day and a malevolent WW of the West the next. It's like a schizophrenic soup.

Anyway, thanks for responding to the question (R201/R208), and I hope other straight women around here will share their stories. It really is eye-opening.

by Anonymousreply 22801/19/2013

I'm a straight woman who came to this site years ago - before 9/11 - and found the topics to be interesting and the commentary often insightful and fun. The site was marked for gay gossio and pointless bitchery but never said it was for men only. I always felt that I contributed some good commentary here and frankly, some of the hate against women gets tiresome. I've had many gay friends over the years and none of them spout the venom against women that sometimes erupts on the DL.

There may be only a handful of people here who are hung up on using derogatory terms for women, and they sometimes give the place a very bad name.

by Anonymousreply 22901/19/2013

I was in a nasty mood when I included the Broadway and soap opera threads in that laundry list. Those two speak to niche interests and, judging from the thread headlines, the Broadway one is quite witty. The Mariska thread ought to be retitled "obsession." It's about amassing evidence that Mariska is gay. (And if she is, good for her and I hope she has the courage to come out.) Maybe I erred and there are millions of straight women who want to read about gay pornstars and see men presenting their holes. I don't. The point is that this thread is a magnet to the straight women who read Datalounge and if you really don't like them, why would you engage them? I go out of my way to avoid talking politics with Republicans. Also, the eldergays rock.

by Anonymousreply 23001/19/2013

R230 now doesn't want gay men to respond in a thread addressed to them requesting that they modify their behavior to accommodate - what? - pretended sensitivities concerning an innocuous German term for "married woman"?

She's insisting that gay men avoid the offensive guests squatting in gay territory.

And she's endlessly refining her terms for how to get rid of straight women, as she says this, while pronouncing on what aspects of the DL she finds acceptable.

Lord in heaven. They are a different sort of thing, aren't they?

by Anonymousreply 23101/19/2013

R232, please don't attempt wobbly rhetorical tricks just because everyone you know is too lazy to pay close attention to them. I didn't draw conclusions - I reflected on what you said and specifically addressed it. You didn't respond. But you offered that someone asking why straight women are here meant they wanted a "debate," which is an untoward "conclusion" to draw.

Honestly, this isn't the thread to attempt to go off-track and be serious. The OP likely was a troll who wanted to start a slap-fest, and that's what it obviously was. Plenty of serious threads exist with very little nuisance posts - they work because the tone is set from the start and it's not "fun" to mess with them.

Your "conclusion" that I don't want straight women here is consistent with your (rather typical) tactics. "Well, if THAT'S the way you feel..." is irrelevant if you can't bother to work through what the other person may actually be feeling. It's lazy. I like your posts, and have nothing against anyone so long as they don't expect a free ride from incipient homophobia or unwillingness to understand what a gay-infused, "pointless bitchery," face-slapping site is all about. Social commentary of a very stringent kind is part of the culture. Speaking hyperbolically is, too. Outrage often is feigned. And "frau" is a married woman who insists on pushing low-end and tacky domestic biases and tastes on people who reject the presumptions involved.

Try starting a serious thread. You'll be surprised. And try - try - to understand the context here. It's not about you, and your little tricks are too transparent to bother with. I've learned a lot by the strong responses my own claptrap has triggered.

by Anonymousreply 23401/19/2013

Good post R234.

by Anonymousreply 23501/19/2013

Fraus are always pretending to be the innocent ones, and that the world's problems are caused by the gays. Well, you can't spell "fraud" without "frau"!

by Anonymousreply 23602/09/2013

I'm convinced most if not all of the homophobic posts are coming from gay guys who are pretending to be straight "fraus" and just looking to stir the shit to see how many responses they can obtain.

by Anonymousreply 23702/09/2013

A few weeks ago someone linked a picture of a pantry which was "organized" but in reality was loaded with Pepperidge farm cookies and all sorts of unhealthy crap.

Some poster spectacularly described it as "Every frau in frauville has that pic!"

Does anyone know which thread had the pic? I have told my friend's about it and they are dying to see it!


by Anonymousreply 23806/28/2013

[quote]No one on here wants to be called a faggot so why do we turn around and call women fraus?

It's a faggot thing.

by Anonymousreply 23906/29/2013

I've noticed that in the West women are treated as princesses who can get away with almost everything, including seducing teenage boys. In Arab/Persian culture (and to a lesser degree Southern and Eastern Europe) it's usually the men who are overpriveleged,, while the women are kept on a tight leash.

by Anonymousreply 24006/29/2013

I think frau is funny and would like to use it but don't want to offend so I resist.

by Anonymousreply 24106/29/2013

[quote]“There’s a Peter Pan generation of women who haven’t had to grow up, who feel like the world owes them something. They’re rich and white and spoiled, and they expect everything while doing nothing. They’re the end of civilization, these women.”

Could just as easily be said about many gay men. Mo?

by Anonymousreply 24206/29/2013

I don't think this controversy is really about women or about whether they should be posting on a gay site. I think it's about the oppression of political correctness. Jackass stooges love it, because they have no sense of independence, but the rest of us feel so enclosed by the social (and, for some, legal) pressure to conform in our speech habits that when we're anonymous and out of public view, we blow off the accumulated steam by breaking some of the rules. "Frau" is a neutral word in German, but it's a putdown word on DL. It's meant to be: as a way of telling the language police of the left, "Get off me!"

by Anonymousreply 24306/29/2013

R227 That cunt has been trolling so many threads!

by Anonymousreply 24406/29/2013


by Anonymousreply 24506/29/2013

Should we substitute cum dumpsters for frau?

by Anonymousreply 24606/29/2013

You should see the OP's head explode when confronted with the word "niggardly"

by Anonymousreply 24706/29/2013
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