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NPR segment says 3.3% of Americans are gay

You can listen to the segment at the NPR link below. Neda Ulaby did a report on gay representation in the media. At the end she said 4.4% of all TV characters are gay, while only 3.3% of the population is gay. Her source for the 3.3% figure? The Republican Gallup organization.

Does anybody honestly believe that onlt 3.3% of us are gay???

by Anonymousreply 17212/02/2014

Put up or shut up; i.e., out of the closets and into the streets.

by Anonymousreply 101/02/2013

Many closet cases will never admit it so it's impossible to tell.

by Anonymousreply 301/02/2013

In my country it's more like 1 %. This country's biggest gay website has members that account for slightly less than 1 % of the population.

by Anonymousreply 501/02/2013

R2 and R5 obviously never heard of the closet.

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by Anonymousreply 901/02/2013

Two points:

1 They mean exclusively gay or lesbian, and exclusive homosexuality or heterosexuality is rare.

2 This refers to so-called "admitted" gay/lesbian people. Closet-cases aside, there are plenty of reasons not to tell a U.S. Census worker your sexuality. I personally don't want to be on an official government list of queer people, as history had not been kind to people on this lists. And oh yes, I am out professionally and personally.

by Anonymousreply 1001/02/2013

I think it's a range of 3% to 5% of the population.

Where I live closer to the higher number. Cities tend to attract gay people so that would explain it.

by Anonymousreply 1101/02/2013

I think 5% of men are gay. Tack on another 5% of men as occasionally bisexual (leaning straight).

by Anonymousreply 1301/02/2013

And yet 80% of the internet is gay porn.

by Anonymousreply 1401/02/2013

Maybe 3.3 % are OPENLY gay....

by Anonymousreply 1501/02/2013

You know you can google to find the poll.

They found 3.4% of adults identified as LBGT (with an additional 4.4% saying they don't know or refused to answer).

However breaking it down by age only 1.9% of people 65 or older identified while among 18-29 6.4% identified as LBGT and additional 3.5% said they don't know or refused to answer. If we say the younger generation is more likely to come out it makes sense to believe the figures for my generation are the most accurate to the total population.

For what it is worth also the exit polling for the last election found 5% of voters identified as LBGT.

by Anonymousreply 1601/02/2013

R15, thats exactly what Gallup was saying.

Exactly who makes up the LGBT community and how this group should be measured is a subject of some debate. Measuring sexual orientation and gender identity can be challenging since these concepts involve complex social and cultural patterns. As a group still subject to social stigma, many of those who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender may not be forthcoming about this identity when asked about it in a survey. Therefore, it's likely that some Americans in what is commonly referred to as "the closet" would not be included in the estimates derived from the Gallup interviews.

by Anonymousreply 1801/02/2013

Thus, the 3.4% estimate can best be represented as adult Americans who publicly identify themselves as part of the LGBT community when asked in a survey context.

by Anonymousreply 1901/02/2013

If they asked, have you ever had an orgasm with a person of the same sex, the number would be much higher.

by Anonymousreply 2001/02/2013

oh, forgot to add the link to the poll

by Anonymousreply 2101/02/2013

How can you answer Don't Know?

I'd say D/K/Refused are clearly closet cases. Other closet cases are lying.

by Anonymousreply 2201/02/2013

I hate that neda ulaby. Sounds like she wants to burst out laughing all the time. NPR is increasingly right wing. Otherwise, why would they even bother to report something as fact that can't really be proven?

by Anonymousreply 2301/02/2013

3.3% self-identify. If you add up all the closet cases, down-low brothers, "bisexuals" who are really 100% gay, married men with unsuspecting wives, Catholic priests diddling teenagers, repressed lesbian housewives who've never orgasmed, "asexuals", cloistered nuns, same-sex "roommates" over 40, bachelor uncles, spinster aunts, and plain-old "my private life is private" types, yes, it's 10% at least. I think an honest, unvarnished accounting of homosexuality that is based on actual strength and frequency of attractions to either would reveal it to be closet to 25%, not counting the genuinely bisexual.

We live in a very fucked up world, still, with some unfortunately fucked up people. It's not as easy for everyone to admit they're gay, accept it, and come out fully. Lots of people grow up with homophobic conditioning around very conservative, backwards people. It'll fuck a person up for life.

by Anonymousreply 2501/02/2013

I think that only 3 or 4 percent of Americans publicly identify as gay or bisexual. Many people engage in same-sex activities but identify as heterosexual. It is difficult to measure how many people have same-sex inclinations but do not identify as LGB, but there are probably more people like this than are openly LGB. People really are afraid to identify with the label.

by Anonymousreply 2601/02/2013

I heard the story this morning and noted how sloppy the reporting was. She called Logo a "gay network", which it no longer is, in addition to the way she reported the numbers about gays.

by Anonymousreply 2701/02/2013

My dad, who was resolutely straight, believed it to be 15%. I agree.

by Anonymousreply 2801/02/2013

The gay support group at my brother's college was the 10% Club

by Anonymousreply 2901/02/2013

It might be politically incorrect to say this, but generally the only males who publicly identify as gay are those who display gender-non conforming attributes, ie, non-masculine males. The more masculine a gay or bisexual guy is, the more likely they will remain closeted or in denial for life. Non-masculine guys are assumed to be gay, hence, they are sort of forced by society to acknowledge they are gay. Men are especially cowardly about identifying with anything that is perceived to threaten their masculinity, so most masculine gay and bi dudes will never come out.

by Anonymousreply 3001/02/2013

If one includes men married to women who desperately trawl for cock, the number goes up to 33% of American adult males.

by Anonymousreply 3101/02/2013

Too many variables make it difficult to say how many are "gay."

What people do: with whom they have sex

What they feel: who they're attracted to

What they say: how they identify

Lots of people have sex with and/or are attracted to the same sex but still identify as straight.

by Anonymousreply 3201/02/2013

[quote]It might be politically incorrect to say this, but generally the only males who publicly identify as gay are those who display gender-non conforming attributes, ie, non-masculine males.

It's not politically incorrect, it's just incorrect.

by Anonymousreply 3301/02/2013

[quote]It might be politically incorrect to say this, but generally the only males who publicly identify as gay are those who display gender-non conforming attributes, ie, non-masculine males.

Not to be politically incorrect, but that's total bullshit and proof that you have few, if any, actual gay friends.

by Anonymousreply 3401/02/2013

There is some truth to what R30 is saying. Most gay men who don't "pass" have no real choice but to come out as gay, a lot of people can already tell and will start assuming they are gay.

It takes bigger balls for a guy who easily passes as straight to come out as gay because no one would assume he was so there is no pressure to do so. However plenty of us still come out, especially among the young generation. Same with bisexual guys, they are less likely to be open about it than say bisexual girls but more and more of them are coming out as well.

The idea that it is only feminine types that publicly identify as gay is simple patently false. Being more likely to do so is not the same as the only ones who do so.

by Anonymousreply 3501/02/2013

I will certainly never identify myself with the silly euphemism "gay". I am a man who just happens to be of a homosexual nature. I am not a "guy" or a "dude" or a "mary" or a "boi" or a "bitch" or a "girlfriend" or a "gay" or a "glbt" or anything other than a man.

by Anonymousreply 3601/02/2013

r34, until I meet openly gay men who are generally as masculine as closeted bi, gay, and bicurious males I encounter, I will continue to believe that.

by Anonymousreply 3701/02/2013

[quote] I am a man who just happens to be of a homosexual nature. I am not a "guy" or a "dude" or a "mary" or a "boi" or a "bitch" or a "girlfriend" or a "gay" or a "glbt" or anything other than a man.

Who just happens to spend time at a gay website

by Anonymousreply 3801/02/2013

[quote]My dad, who was resolutely straight, believed it to be 15%. I agree.

Who cares what your "resolutely straight" dad thinks?

Seriously, is this supposed to impress us? I don't see how some random, "resolutely straight" person's opinion is really relevant here. It's just some another nobody's guesstimate about a topic they have no first-hand knowledge of.

by Anonymousreply 3901/02/2013

[quote] until I meet openly gay men who are generally as masculine as closeted bi, gay, and bicurious males I encounter, I will continue to believe that.

Then get out more

by Anonymousreply 4001/02/2013

[quote]It takes bigger balls for a guy who easily passes as straight to come out as gay because no one would assume he was so there is no pressure to do so.

That's fucking ridiculous. I'm generally assumed to be straight, but I don't think I had it any easier or harder coming out that guys who aren't.

[quote]R34, until I meet openly gay men who are generally as masculine as closeted bi, gay, and bicurious males I encounter, I will continue to believe that.

In other words, you spend so much time chasing after "straight" dick on Craigslist and whatnot, and consumed by your inner self-loathing, that you haven't had any time to get to know gay men who *aren't* totally fucked up. Makes sense, I guess. (And just as a reminder, though you surely know it: all those "bi" and "bicurious" men you're encountering online or in tea rooms or whatever are 100% total HOMO and in deep denial about it, to the extent that they "act" straight to hide their "shameful" truth.)

by Anonymousreply 4101/02/2013

[quote]I will certainly never identify myself with the silly euphemism "gay".

The term gay is no more a euphemism than the term "man" is. After all, you are just a human being who happens to have a penis, why force the term "man" on yourself?

But back to reality, you are a gay man, whether you identify as such or not.

by Anonymousreply 4201/02/2013

In LA it's more like 45.3%.

by Anonymousreply 4301/02/2013

R30: 17 y/o, knows no gay people older than 20, can count them on one hand.

I'm so masculine I routinely fool other gay people. I've bumped into gay co-workers in gay bars and seen their jaws drop in disbelief. Women hit on me, straight "bros" talk chicks and pussy around me. People just ASSUME. But I'm out and proud and don't care who knows, at 43 I'm too fucking old to give a shit. I know plenty of other gay guys who routinely, if inadvertently, pass for straight.

Don't call me straight acting though. I'm not straight and this is not an act. I'm a masculine gay guy who loves cock and the men they're attached to.

by Anonymousreply 4401/02/2013

I am often melancholy, definately not "gay".

by Anonymousreply 4501/02/2013

I honestly believe that at least 25% of the population is lesbian or gay. I don't think there are ANY truthful surveys at this point in time. There are still so many closeted people.

by Anonymousreply 4601/02/2013

"I'm so masculine I routinely fool other gay people."

Don't drop bombs, R44.

by Anonymousreply 4701/02/2013

[quote]I will certainly never identify myself with the silly euphemism "gay". I am a man who just happens to be of a homosexual nature. I am not a "guy" or a "dude" or a "mary" or a "boi" or a "bitch" or a "girlfriend" or a "gay" or a "glbt" or anything other than a man.

Really? Because you sound like a dick to me.

by Anonymousreply 4801/02/2013

[quote]I honestly believe that at least 25% of the population is lesbian or gay.

I honestly believe you've been spending too much time on DL and really NEED TO GET OUT MORE.

by Anonymousreply 4901/02/2013

No one seems to be addressing the fact that this woman is saying there is too much gay representation on TV given her estimate of how many gay people there are in the population. Would she dare say that there is too much black representation based on percentage of population? I highly doubt it.

by Anonymousreply 5001/02/2013

R48 Definitely a Dick. I mean he's Richard dick Armitage, the more masculine gay actor in the closet.

by Anonymousreply 5101/02/2013

Much higher. My entire high school an college career was spent having sex with 'straight' guys. Sometimes only once or twice, sometimes it turned into something more prolonged. Most of them returned to their straight bearings, some had an epiphany and came out eventually. My point being that I was RARELY unsuccessful. A much larger percentage of the population may not identify as gay, but certainly have some kind of inkling.

by Anonymousreply 5201/02/2013

R52, there's a difference between "horny teens who will fuck anything with an orifice" and bona fide gay men.

by Anonymousreply 5301/02/2013

That's BULLSHIT! The percentage is much higher.

by Anonymousreply 5401/02/2013

It is much higher MUCH higher, but it's a small victory over Republican 1% propaganda.

by Anonymousreply 5501/02/2013

NPR is much more anti-gay now than it used to be. And whenever they discuss gay issues, they NEVER invite an actual gay person to be on the show to discuss the topic. Diane Rehm's show has been guilty of this many times, and ill-informed straight people on her show have given inaccurate information when discussing marriage equality. NPR studios sit perched right by a zillion gay professionals so it's not like it would be hard for them to find a GAY expert to discuss gay issues.

Try telling them about their failures in this regard and they blow a gasket. But it's true. They are no better than FOX News at covering gay issues!!! And that is sad.

by Anonymousreply 5601/04/2013

Do you remember that thread where we calculated the percentage of gay men across the whole Earth?

With 3%, the population of gay men is 105 million. With 5%, the population of gay men is 175 million, and with 10% the population of gay men is 350 million.

Of course, all those figures include babies (future gays) and old men, but you can take a percentage of each figure, and arrive at a list of all of Earth's gay men between 18 and 54.

by Anonymousreply 5701/04/2013

R57, yeah but most of them live in China and India, a true shitholes where they will never be allowed to be gay.

by Anonymousreply 5801/04/2013

urf

by Anonymousreply 5901/05/2013

More like 10% than 3%. I'd even bet that the 25% figure is more accurate that somebody upthread bandied.

by Anonymousreply 6001/05/2013

Latest numbers actually have it in the 5-6% range. And that's people who are actually out, and then actually willing to admit they are gay in a survey. So the real number is actually in the 8-12% range, which is pretty much what Kinsey reported.

Of course, that just accounts for men who are actually gay/bisexual/pansexual/whatever. The number increases quite a bit more when guys that are predominantly straight are included.

Based on a study done in I believe 2008 or 2009, around 20% of men admitted having a same-sex experience in the past year.

by Anonymousreply 6101/05/2013

r61, can you cite the study you report?

by Anonymousreply 6201/05/2013

The gallup poll has a +/- usually of 5%. So, by their "research" it is possible that -1.7% of the population is gay.

Please.

by Anonymousreply 6301/07/2013

self-report = 3%

truth about closet-cases = 9-12%

by Anonymousreply 6401/07/2013

So r57 that is just men? When they say gay they are talking about just men and not using gay to mean men and women? If so what is the percentage of women?

by Anonymousreply 6501/07/2013

This was the station that gave a good hour of news time to a member of the AFA who stated that children from gay (therefore he assumed serial-monogamous) households had a bazillion times more chances of being raped/molested as those from monogamous households.

He extrapolated from straight Mormon polygamous households to make this leap of logic and only one person questioned his study.

The last time this shit came up, comedian Kate Clinton stated that only 3% of Americans feel comfortable revealing they are gay to scientists who were German.

by Anonymousreply 6601/07/2013

exactly.

by Anonymousreply 6701/07/2013

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by Anonymousreply 6801/07/2013

In terms of their news reporting most of the people who work at NPR are naturally liberals, and somtimes you can tell, but they do the CNN thing and try to force themselves to be "balanced" in presentation aka: just parroting the talking points from the right and left as if they are both equally valid.

There are some programs where you get more analysis and it tends to lean left, but in our politics as Colbert famously said facts tend have have a well-known liberal bias.

by Anonymousreply 7001/07/2013

NPR leans left but not as far left as MSNBC.

by Anonymousreply 7101/07/2013

No, OP, those of us who get our info from DL believe that at least 80% of celebs are gay and 75% of noncelebs.

by Anonymousreply 7201/07/2013

whatevs

by Anonymousreply 7301/08/2013

NPR used to lean towards fact.

Now it leans wright, because of funding fear.

by Anonymousreply 7401/08/2013

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by Anonymousreply 7601/08/2013

Is a person gay if they don't identify as such, or does the word encompass people who reject the label for themselves yet are same-sex oriented?

by Anonymousreply 7701/10/2013

R72

I think that 10/15% of the population is gay. IMO, the percentage doubles for actors/celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 7801/10/2013

It's like 1.5%

by Anonymousreply 7901/10/2013

I live in a smallish city in Alabama. I think 3.3 % is a gross overstatement.

by Anonymousreply 8101/13/2013

R80, even in "3,3%" study only 92,5% of men identified as straight.

by Anonymousreply 8201/15/2013

I'm totally out in my professional, family and daily life in every way possible, but if some strange pollster--particularly for a Republican org-- called and started asking questions about my sexuality I'd probably get creeped out and end the survey, and I imagine many people would.

And that doesn't even take into account the many people who are closeted, semi-closeted, or just more private or skittish than me.

Tells you all you need to know about the reliability of such stats imho.

[quote]I live in a smallish city in Alabama.I think 3.3 % is a gross overstatement.

I guarantee there's a park or rest stop nearby that will make you think it's a gross understatement.

by Anonymousreply 8301/15/2013

Most dudes who are attracted to males will never identify as gay. Some will say they are bi, but the majority will be repelled by the "gay" label.

by Anonymousreply 8401/15/2013

[quote]the majority will be repelled by the "gay" label.

Is that the new way of saying "too chicken-shit to let the world know who they are"?

Interesting.

Being gay is what you make of it, not the stereotypes that others heap upon the label. How sad for some people that they're so scared of what others might think.

And I'd be willing to bet that these same souls who are too 'brave and independent' for the "gay" label never mention their same-sex attractions to their straight friends in any way. There's a label for that. It's called "closeted."

by Anonymousreply 8501/15/2013

I do agree R82 that it is interesting the results are never reported as 92.5% of people identified as straight or said they weren't gay/bi. Which is also what the study found.

I think around 8-10% of guys are gay or bi.

In terms of actors, with the hollywood set it isn't a bad assumption that the percentage of actors who are bi or gay is closer to 15-20%. With musical theater actors it is closer to around 45-55%.

by Anonymousreply 8601/15/2013

good point, r86

by Anonymousreply 8701/24/2013

R86 I agree with you

by Anonymousreply 8801/24/2013

80% of actors are gay.

by Anonymousreply 8901/24/2013

you wish, r89

by Anonymousreply 9001/25/2013

Haha, 80% is too much. Let's say at least 30%

by Anonymousreply 9101/25/2013

Let's meet in the middle here, at say 55% for the US and we can talk back-end points for UK and Australian actors at a different juncture.

by Anonymousreply 9201/25/2013

Nah, too high!

by Anonymousreply 9301/25/2013

Ok, I'll settle for 30% domestic with a proviso that 90% of males with one degree of separation from Bryan Singer are gay.

by Anonymousreply 9401/25/2013

You guys don't live in real Hollywood La-La-Land.

Dirty, little secret: The MAJORITY of Hollywood actors are gay/bi. Genuine straight actors are pretty hard to weed for.

by Anonymousreply 9501/25/2013

"Anybody can be had."

-- Fox, Fox and His Friends, R.W. Fassbinder

by Anonymousreply 9601/25/2013

I'd be very happy if you were right. R95

by Anonymousreply 9701/25/2013

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by Anonymousreply 9803/04/2013

It's more like 10%.

by Anonymousreply 9903/04/2013

r99, definitely 10 percent are not open or identify as gay or bisexual. In my experience, 3 or 4 percent of men openly identify as gay or view themselves as such.

by Anonymousreply 10003/04/2013

Reuters/Ipsos poll in March: When people responding to the poll were asked to describe themselves, 93 percent said heterosexual/straight; 3 percent said gay/lesbian; 3 percent said bisexual; and 2 percent said other.

by Anonymousreply 10104/01/2013

And the other 5% are closeted, equals 10%.

by Anonymousreply 10204/01/2013

Kinsey says 10% and I've seen plenty 10% bookstores and 10% gift shops to stand by figures reaped before the politization of gay persons.

by Anonymousreply 10304/01/2013

Just had to say a word about masculine guys or feminine women coming out as opposed to stereotypically gay people coming out.

I think anyone who comes out if the closet is a hero period.

To say a masculine guy coming out of the closet is braver is absolute bullshit. They may have looks of suprise from others as to how they are gay,but in my book that just means they lied to others longer than out gay people.

Anyone who comes out of the closet should be applauded period.

If you look at it another way.A kid who is stereotypically gay who has had years of abuse heaped on them with added homophobia,who has been spat on ,or called names, or excluded, or disowned is much braver than a straight acting gay guy who comes out after all the bullshit has disappeared.

We won't even talk about the possibility that closeted gay person has probably lashed out at the stereotypical gay kid more than their straight counterparts.

So stop the shit.Anyone who comes out is a hero!

by Anonymousreply 10404/01/2013

y

by Anonymousreply 10504/03/2013

Only one in 100 people say they are exclusively homosexual, an official survey found yesterday.(Thurs) It said that 545,000 adults, 1.1 per cent of the population, say they are lesbian or gay.

A further 220,000, 0.4 per cent of adults, say they are bisexual.

The count by the Office for National Statistics shows that despite the promotion of same-sex marriage and full gay equality by David Cameron and the Coalition, there has been no increase in the past year in numbers of people who say they are gay.

The 1.5 per cent ONS estimate of the lesbian, gay and bisexual population is a quarter of the level of around six per cent claimed by gay lobby groups and accepted in Whitehall.

The ONS figures, described as experimental, were produced from questions on sexual identity included in the large-scale Integrated Household Survey. Nearly 170,000 people answered questions on their sexuality.

The self-acknowledged gay population, according to the estimates, is the same as last year and slightly up on numbers produced by similar surveys in 2010.

According to the findings, 1.5 per cent of men say they are gay and 0.7 per cent of women identify themselves as lesbian.

There was no answer to the sexual identity questions from 1.1 per cent of those surveyed; 3.6 per cent refused to answer or said they didn't know; 0.3 per cent described their sexuality as 'other'; and 93.5 per cent described themselves as heterosexual or straight.

Younger people were more likely to say they were gay, with 1.7 per cent of those aged between 16 and 24 calling themselves gay or lesbian, and another one per cent of the 16-24 age group said they were bisexual.

The ONS report found that London had the highest proportion of people saying they were gay, lesbian or bisexual, but even so they remained a small minority at 2.5 per cent, one in 40 of the population.

More...

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'The proportions of adults identifying themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual within the other regions were largely similar in 2012,' the report said, 'ranging from 1.0 per cent in the East of England to 1.7 per cent in the North East.'

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by Anonymousreply 10610/04/2013

Most places I've been, it seems like the real figure, excluding bisexuality, is between 5 and 10%.

Including bisexuality, and it's between 13 and 20%.

by Anonymousreply 10710/04/2013

A link for those who persist in linking to the Daily Mail.

by Anonymousreply 10810/04/2013

r108, the study is the story, not the source.

by Anonymousreply 10910/04/2013

In my area it's more like 16%, if not more.

by Anonymousreply 11110/04/2013

R110's estimation is as good as any. As much as "civilized" people might hate the thought.

by Anonymousreply 11310/04/2013

Special Report: 3.4% of U.S. Adults Identify as LGBT Inaugural Gallup findings based on more than 120,000 interviews by Gary J. Gates and Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- The inaugural results of a new Gallup question -- posed to more than 120,000 U.S. adults thus far -- shows that 3.4% say "yes" when asked if they identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender.

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These results are based on responses to the question, "Do you, personally, identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender?" included in 121,290 Gallup Daily tracking interviews conducted between June 1 and Sept. 30, 2012. This is the largest single study of the distribution of the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) population in the U.S. on record. By comparison, the General Social Survey, a project of NORC at the University of Chicago, asked a sexual orientation question in its 2008 and 2010 survey of about 2,000 adults in each year. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' National Survey of Family Growth asked a sexual orientation question of about 12,000 young adults aged 18 to 44 in 2002 and of more than 20,000 adults in its 2006-2010 survey. The 3.4% figure is similar to a 3.8% estimate made by one of the authors of this study (Gates), averaging a group of smaller U.S. surveys conducted from 2004 to 2008.

by Anonymousreply 11410/04/2013

LGBT Percentage Highest in D.C., Lowest in North Dakota All states are within two percentage points of the overall national average of 3.5% by Gary J. Gates and Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- The percentage of U.S. adults who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) ranges from 1.7% in North Dakota to 5.1% in Hawaii and 10% in the District of Columbia, according to Gallup surveys conducted from June-December 2012. Residents in the District of Columbia were most likely to identify as LGBT (10%). Among states, the highest percentage was in Hawaii (5.1%) and the lowest in North Dakota (1.7%), but all states are within two percentage points of the nationwide average of 3.5%.

by Anonymousreply 11510/04/2013

The problem with this is that all these polls are based on people self-identifying. Who knows how many closet cases refuse to do so even in an anonymous poll.

If roughly half the country is okay with gays and the other not, then I'm okay with doubling the 3.3% self-reported as a way to figure out who's really LGBT. So 6.6% is probably closer to the truth than 3.3%

by Anonymousreply 11610/04/2013

I wonder how they factor in those who decline to answer the question.

by Anonymousreply 11710/04/2013

Bingo, r112.

by Anonymousreply 11810/04/2013

r117, they report what percentage that do not answer, but they (nor should we) make any definitive conclusions about what that means.

by Anonymousreply 11910/04/2013

Gays are between a quarter and a third of college educated thirty year olds. Maybe out gays are only 3.3% of people 70 years old, but NPR lies like a rug.

by Anonymousreply 12010/04/2013

Gays are like an 80-20% majority in people with IQ's over 130.

by Anonymousreply 12110/04/2013

3-4% seems right. Unless one is looking at an Ivy League School. Then it leaps to 10-12%.

by Anonymousreply 12210/04/2013

You are either trolling or severely delusional r120.

by Anonymousreply 12310/04/2013

you are mentally ill, r124. you know that, right?

by Anonymousreply 12510/04/2013

I knew a gay man who wouldn't even admit to himself that he was gay. Even though he had sex with several men and never had even been on a date with a female, let alone had sex with one, he insisted he was straight. So if a segment of gay people won't even self identify to themselves that they are gay, they sure won't self identify in a poll. Thankfully today he is an out gay man.

by Anonymousreply 12610/04/2013

I don't know. I just read an article about the gayest cities and they all had relatively small percentages of gay people.

by Anonymousreply 12710/04/2013

The Daily Mail story clearly insinuates that since "only one in a hundred" people identify as gay that the issue shouldn't matter. Are we to assume that if the number was three in a hundred or five in a hundred the DM would suddenly become pro-marriage equality?

Why link to the Daily Mail with its obvious bias instead of The Guardian, which deals with the same statistics but at least takes the time to consider the weaknesses of self reporting, and doesn't reinforce the idea that because it's "only" 1.5% the issue isn't important?

by Anonymousreply 12810/04/2013

The survey is a lie. A big lie. 20% of the people have reliably admitted to same sex fantasies over a very long period of decades. All this 1% bullshit is arranged through misleading questions, bad survey methodology, and outright politically motivated fraud.

by Anonymousreply 12910/05/2013

You don't ask, "Are you gay?" You ask, "are you primarily heterosexual, bisexual, gay, pansexual, or asexual. Then call me with your 1.5% number. And you only ask it of people aged 15 to 60. You'll get much different numbers.

by Anonymousreply 13010/05/2013

Cite your purported source, r129.

by Anonymousreply 13110/05/2013

I doubt the lesbian Neda Ulaby is looking for reasons to understate gay numbers.

by Anonymousreply 13210/05/2013

Yes, she s a lesbian. Without hearing the news piece...it's hard to say what her angle was.

by Anonymousreply 13310/05/2013

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by Anonymousreply 13510/05/2013

Most people are bisexual, we just tend to orientate towards the societal norms.

by Anonymousreply 13610/05/2013

Most gay and bisexual people do not identify as such. the stigma of the identity is a huge factor in surveys.

by Anonymousreply 13710/05/2013

5% of voters in the 2012 election identified as GLB.

by Anonymousreply 13810/05/2013

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by Anonymousreply 13910/05/2013

more closeted than open by far

by Anonymousreply 14010/06/2013

Vast majority of gays are closeted

by Anonymousreply 14110/06/2013

Put it like this Jews are an even smaller minority of Americans, yet we all seem to know them or be one of the Jews. Interesting.

by Anonymousreply 14210/07/2013

Muslims are even smaller than Jews.

by Anonymousreply 14310/07/2013

[quote]Vast majority of gays are closeted

That doesn't speak well for how honest and spineful (as opposed to -less) y'all are as a whole, darlin'.

by Anonymousreply 14410/07/2013

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by Anonymousreply 14510/07/2013

Out Now Consulting, the global LGBT marketing agency, has today written to the Director General of the Office for National Statistics, requesting the immediate withdrawal of data relating to gay and lesbian people on the grounds that it is inaccurate and misleading.

Out Now says that a flawed and poor research methodology used by the ONS renders it incapable of providing a correct measurement of homosexuality and bisexuality in the UK.

The ONS claims that research, part of the Integrated Household Survey, shows that "1.5 per cent of adults in the UK identified themselves as Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual."

Out Now disputes this figure, saying:

'This claim is not only inaccurate as a true measure of the prevalence of homosexuality and bisexuality in the United Kingdom, it is dangerous as it is prone to misreporting and may lead to funding problems for organisations focused on the health of LGB people.

'The research methodology you have employed is not suitable for the purpose of obtaining an accurate measure of homosexuality and bisexuality in the UK.'

The ONS is the UK’s largest independent producer of official statistics and is the recognised national statistical institute for the UK. It is responsible for collecting and publishing statistics related to the economy, population and society at national, regional and local levels. It also conducts the census in England and Wales every ten years.

An ONS spokesman said: 'The question on sexual identity was developed and tested on a number of surveys in 2008 and was added to the Integrated Household Survey (IHS) in 2009. A prototype question was developed using focus groups to gain an understanding of the concept of sexual identity, and piloted on an ONS survey prior to inclusion in the IHS.

'The sexual identity question was asked of respondents aged 16 years and over; it was not asked by proxy, and the question was asked in mainly face to face with some telephone interviews. The data have been collected to provide accurate statistics to underpin the equality monitoring responsibilities of public sector organisations and to assess the disadvantage or relative discrimination experienced by the lesbian, gay and bisexual population.

'The sexual identity measure is based on what the respondent to the IHS self declare. It is possible that a proportion of responders who are LGB answer with an alternative response to the ONS survey, however the ONS trials and pilots did not suggest this was the case to a significant degree despite concerns that it might be being raised at the time.

We are responding directly to the comments made by OutNow and we will examine their concerns.'

Out Now founder and Ian Johnson today wrote to the ONS saying: "The data you are responsible for publishing is not fit for purpose and risks being used by those who may not 'like' gay, lesbian or bisexual people to undermine their rights. It may be used similarly to seek to reduce funding for government and NGO initiatives focused on LGB people in the UK."

Social media users, have taken to Facebook and Twitter to also disagree with the claims from the ONS. Antony Simpson on Facebook wrote:

'Disagree many, many more!'

Another wrote:

'I think there's many more gay people out there. So many are married to women and living a heterosexual life (with some 'fun' with men on the side, as we all know if we log on to Grindr and the like). Admittedly many of those people in marriages will perhaps be bisexual, but still I imagine there are a lot more gay people than anyone realises.'

by Anonymousreply 14610/08/2013

We like to think we’re a progressive society that is accepting of all sexual orientations, but the latest survey shows anti-gay sentiment is higher than we think, and current methods for assessing attitudes about sexuality are not as accurate as they should be.

In a study published in the National Bureau of Economic Research, scientists found that current methods may not accurately capture both the size of the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) population as well as attitudes toward them.

Overall, it’s hard to measure sexual orientation and opinions about sexual orientation because of persistent biases toward more socially acceptable responses. Researchers have found this trend even in computer-generated surveys where responses are anonymous.

(MORE: New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality)

So a team from Ohio State University and Boston University compared these survey techniques to another strategy that provided even more privacy and anonymity to participants, by guaranteeing that even the researchers could not connect the volunteers to their answers. Among the 2,516 U.S. volunteers who were randomly assigned to answer questions about their sexuality using one or the other survey method, those taking the more veiled survey were 65% more likely to report a non-heterosexual identity themselves and 59% more likely to report having a same-sex sexual experience than those using the standard survey technique.

The veiled method also revealed more people with anti-gay sentiment than among those taking the other type of survey. The participants were 67% more likely to disapprove of an openly gay manager at work and 71% more likely to admit that it was acceptable to discriminate against people who are lesbians, gay or bisexual.

“Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial,” the authors write.

Did the enhanced anonymity lead to more truthful responses? The researchers aren’t sure, but previous studies revealed that when responses are blinded, people do tend to express attitudes and opinions that are more raw and closer to their true beliefs. The scientists also can’t explain why those who were questioned under the more veiled technique were more likely to admit to both non-heterosexual orientation or experiences as well as more bias against them. While they suspect the two trends are independent of each other, it’s possible that the results also reveal something deeper about sexuality and social acceptance — or lack thereof — of LGBT identities.

Read more:

by Anonymousreply 14710/08/2013

Study: Polls may underestimate anti-gay sentiment and size of gay, lesbian population

By Rich Morin 2 comments

Do conventional public opinion surveys under-report the proportion of gays and lesbians in the population? And do they underestimate the share of Americans who hold anti-gay views?

A team of researchers from Ohio State and Boston Universities say the answer to both questions is yes.

“We find substantial under-reporting of LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] identity and behaviors as well as underreporting of anti-gay sentiment …even under anonymous and very private conditions,” the researchers wrote in a working paper just published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

The study was conducted by economists Katherine B. Coffman and Lucas C. Coffman of Ohio State University and Keith M. Marzilli Ericson of Boston University.

They used a novel research method that, in addition to the usual privacy and anonymity afforded by the best practice survey techniques, goes further and makes it virtually impossible to connect individual respondents with their answers to sensitive questions. They call this technique the “Veiled Report” method.

Then they compared their findings with the results obtained as part of the “Veiled Report” experiment with responses from a control group that answered questions posed in a more conventional way. Their goal was to see how social desirability bias—the tendency for people to not to reveal behaviors or attitudes that they fear may be viewed as outside the mainstream—may affect reporting on these sensitive topics. October 9, 2013 Study: Polls may underestimate anti-gay sentiment and size of gay, lesbian population

By Rich Morin 2 comments

Do conventional public opinion surveys under-report the proportion of gays and lesbians in the population? And do they underestimate the share of Americans who hold anti-gay views?

A team of researchers from Ohio State and Boston Universities say the answer to both questions is yes.

“We find substantial under-reporting of LGBT [lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender] identity and behaviors as well as underreporting of anti-gay sentiment …even under anonymous and very private conditions,” the researchers wrote in a working paper just published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

The study was conducted by economists Katherine B. Coffman and Lucas C. Coffman of Ohio State University and Keith M. Marzilli Ericson of Boston University.

They used a novel research method that, in addition to the usual privacy and anonymity afforded by the best practice survey techniques, goes further and makes it virtually impossible to connect individual respondents with their answers to sensitive questions. They call this technique the “Veiled Report” method.

Then they compared their findings with the results obtained as part of the “Veiled Report” experiment with responses from a control group that answered questions posed in a more conventional way. Their goal was to see how social desirability bias—the tendency for people to not to reveal behaviors or attitudes that they fear may be viewed as outside the mainstream—may affect reporting on these sensitive topics.

FT_13.10.08_LGBTsurveyIn the results using the experimental technique, self-reports of non-heterosexual identity amounted to 19% of those surveyed using the Veiled Report methods – 65% higher than the 11% in the control group. The share reporting same-sex sexual experiences also grew from 17% in the control group to 27% in the Veiled Report group, they reported. (Because their experiment did not use a random sample of the adult population, the researchers do not attempt to estimate the actual size of the country’s gay and lesbian population.)

The experimental method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. For example, the share who disapproved of having an openly gay manager at work increased from 16% in the control group to 27% in the Veiled Report group. The proportion who thought it should be legal to discriminate when hiring on the basis of sexual orientation also rose from 14% to 25%.

However, those in the Veiled Report treatment were less likely than those in the Direct Report treatment to say that a homosexual person “can change their sexual orientation if they choose to do so” (22% vs. 15%). As the authors suggest, “This indicates that participants saw it more socially desirable to report that sexual orientation is changeable, which goes in the opposite direction of a general ‘pro-LGBT’ norm.”

Here’s how the experiment worked. Researchers went online to recruit more than 2,500 study participants. These recruits were randomly divided into two groups. Both groups took an online survey on their personal computer and never disclosed their names or other information that could identify them.

Members of the two groups were asked eight questions about sexuality that people might be reluctant to answer truthfully, if at all. “Three questions deal with participants’ sexuality: whether they consider themselves heterosexual, whether they are sexually attracted to members of the same sex, and whether they have had a sexual experience with someone of the same sex,” according to the researchers . “The remaining five questions examine attitudes and opinions related to sexuality—participants are asked about public policy issues, such as legal recognition of same-sex marriage, as well as personal beliefs and feelings, such as being comfortable with LGBT individuals in the workplace.”

Depending on the group, the eight survey questions were asked in slightly different ways. The first group—the “Direct Report” or control group—started with a question that looked very different from those found in a standard public opinion poll.

by Anonymousreply 14810/10/2013

Many people distrust surveys/data, for good reason. Hard to know for sure where your answers might end up, in what database(s), and whether your answers will be tracked as coming from you in particular. Add to that the basic principle that closeted people are scared people.

by Anonymousreply 14910/10/2013

And closeted people hate the "gay" label or identity.

by Anonymousreply 15010/10/2013

In 2013, the National Health Interview Survey asked respondents their sexual orientation for the first time, creating an important new opportunity for understanding the health of well-being of people who identify as gay, lesbian, and bisexual (LGB) across the country.

The number of people who self-identified as LGB for the survey was notably lower than other studies have found. Only 1.6 percent identified as gay or lesbian and another 0.7 percent identified as bisexual. Because this reflects how a person self-identifies and not necessarily their behavior and relationships, it may not be an accurate portrayal of how many LGB people there actually are. Moreover, this was the first time the survey invited respondents to identify their sexual orientation, and some may not have felt comfortable doing so honestly for a questionnaire that asked other personal questions about their health and lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 15107/15/2014

Now, with the new CDC study, it seems that it clear that only about 2 to 4 percent of Americans openly identify as gay or bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 15207/17/2014

Openly identify ; the key words.

It's easily 10 %

by Anonymousreply 15307/19/2014

it is hard to say how many are closeted or in denial or refuse to be so because for many, their homosexual interest is deeply suppressed or revolting.

by Anonymousreply 15407/19/2014

I don't know about much more than 2%, but it sure seemed like more than that Friday night in the bushes in Volunteer Park.

by Anonymousreply 15507/20/2014

GAY is the problem word. Gay is a self identification that few who have sex with men use.

The men who have sex with men population is very high, the GAY population is very low.

Few want to self identify with a gay label.

by Anonymousreply 15607/20/2014

Every week there is a new percentage. WTF cares. We are here, get the fuck off of the %

by Anonymousreply 15707/20/2014

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by Anonymousreply 15807/28/2014

Older men are more likely to have had sexual contact with another man than those in their teenage years or twenties, according to a new study.

The Lancet survey looked at how many men self-identified as straight, gay, bisexual or other.

While 97.3% of respondents said they were straight, 1.5% said they were gay and 1% said they were bisexual.

Interestingly, when asked about sexual practices with male partners, more of the 55-64 years age group said they had either had “any sexual experience or contact with another man”, or “any sexual experience with genital contact with another man”, compared to younger age groups. Advertisement

7.3% of aged 55-64 said they had partaken in “genital contact” with another man, compared to just 4% of those aged 16-24 years. The percentage steadily increases with age, except for the 65-74 age group, which scored the lowest with 3.4%.

The figures for women showed an inverse pattern, as younger female respondents were more likely to have had “genital contact” than older.

The survey also showed that around 60% of respondents think either male or female same-sex couples are “not wrong at all”. Unsurprisingly older respondents were more likely to say they were opposed to same-sex relationships.

by Anonymousreply 15912/02/2014

This is openly gay people. You can't determine the most accurate percentage with the large number of cowardly closet-cases running around.

by Anonymousreply 16012/02/2014

I believe it's possible that only a tiny minority of people would admit to being gay unequivocally in a public poll. I also believe that an organization like Gallup would likely skew those numbers even lower, either through flawed methodology or poll-takers' bias.

So I do "believe" the 3.3% statistic, but I think exclusively gay-oriented people, including everyone who is out, semi-out, questioning, claiming bi, "hetero-flexible," down low or just plain closeted, comprise closer to 10% at least.

The genuinely bi, which includes any male or female who regularly fantasizes or thinks about gay or bisexual sexual encounters, is around 40-50%.

by Anonymousreply 16212/02/2014

Why is it called "hetero-flexible" and not "homo-flexible"?

by Anonymousreply 16312/02/2014

Because they claim to be hetero, but flexible. No homo.

by Anonymousreply 16412/02/2014

r163, because the "hetero" reflects that the person identifies, lives, dates/marries, and desires primarily as a heterosexual. Their homosexual interest is the exception, not the rule. Hence, it is their heterosexuality that is maleable, bending, flexible.

by Anonymousreply 16512/02/2014

The CDC study this year found any lower percentages of American who identify as gay or bisexual, around 2 percent.

by Anonymousreply 16612/02/2014

I always thought it was hetero means "normal" and "acceptable" and homo means "gross", and "ewww", and "I'm not one of THEM! I just have gay sex...occasionally, but I love women and I'm NORMAL!".

Isn't that what it really means?

by Anonymousreply 16712/02/2014

heteroflexibles often have never had gay sex, or not more than a couple of experiences. they are just open to the notion of physical intimacy with guys in a very specific or narrow circumstance. the more experiences they have had, the more likely they are bisexual, not heteroflexible.

by Anonymousreply 16812/02/2014

No, why would they go that far, R168? Gross.Right?

I love all of these scientists on datalounge with their expertise on this dumb straight male shit. The datalounge scientists with their creepy fantasies and obsessions with straight males, especially straight males who call gay men faggots or kill them.

by Anonymousreply 16912/02/2014

Do any current self-identify surveys still ask respondents their identity by using the term "homosexual?" I know the term is generally considered archaic for identity, but I have encountered countless same-sex oriented males who say that they are "homosexual, not gay." They view the word gay as associated with a particular culture, or they think the word means "feminine" or "girly," so they eschew its use for themselves. The word "gay" has a lot of political, cultural, and gender baggage for many.

by Anonymousreply 17012/02/2014

DATALOUNGE POLL

Attractive: Gay 65% Confused 20% Straight 15%

Unattractive: Straight 85% Gay and Sad 15%

by Anonymousreply 17112/02/2014

What R170 describes I only read here on this website. I never hear or have discussions of such things in real life when a 20 year old tells me he's gay.

by Anonymousreply 17212/02/2014
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