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Lindsey Buckingham was a real jerk.

I'm reading an interesting new book about the making of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours, written by the record producer. Buckingham is portrayed as very talented but volatile and abusive to his girlfriends. It's gratifying that in the end, Stevie went on to mega-stardom, leaving him in her dust.

(BTW, Stevie also twirls in the recording studio.)

by Anonymousreply 14709/13/2016

What up with that?

by Anonymousreply 112/16/2012

Yeah, but he's got nothin on Susan Sontag.

by Anonymousreply 212/16/2012

Funny, from his demeanor and the way he carried himself in public, he always seemed so twee and chill.

he must be pissed that most people remember him only for "Go Insane' and "Trouble"

by Anonymousreply 312/16/2012

Oh I hate to hear this because though Fleetwood Mac was a bit before my time, I got into them when they got back together and have always had such a huge crush on him.

by Anonymousreply 412/16/2012

In Mick Fleetwood's autobiography, he wrote that during the Tango in the Night sessions- a good 10 years after Lindsey and Stevie broke up- they got in an awful fight that spilled out of the studio and into a parking lot. It culminated with Lindsey grabbing Stevie's arms and pushing her up against a parked car. At that point John McVie grabbed Buckingham and said, "Don't touch her again."

If LB did that in front of the band, imagine his treatment of her in private when they were still together. I disagree that he has always come off as chill- I think in interviews he seems high-strung and self-important. Great songwriter and guitarist, though.

by Anonymousreply 512/16/2012

He was getting ready to belt her in that parking lot altercation too. But then again, Stevie used F-bombs on him and I bet she was a mental, moody mess from being fresh out of Betty Ford.

by Anonymousreply 612/16/2012


by Anonymousreply 712/16/2012

There was also an incident on either the Tusk or Mirage tour when Lindsey Buckingham was mocking Stevie on stage and actually reached out and kicked her at one point. The band goes off the stage, Christine McVie gets to him first, and slapped the shit out of him and told him to never do that again. Read his ex-girlfriend's book, Carol Ann Harris, apparently when he got to drinking he had a super mean streak in him and he liked to hit his gf's. Also bitter that he never had the solo career Stevie had. Volatile mix there.

by Anonymousreply 812/16/2012

I've always thought Lindsey had bi tendencies and he couldn't deal with them.

by Anonymousreply 912/16/2012

Yeah, I read Carol's book. Awful, awful book. So badly written. But she makes it clear that out of the blue he would just lose his shit. They were also doing a lot of drugs then, too.

by Anonymousreply 1012/16/2012

His only solo "hit" was Holiday Road?

by Anonymousreply 1112/16/2012

Stevie would be a vaguely witchy Phoenix waitress if it weren't for Lindsay. I'm sure he was a monster, especially while coked out of his mind.

Of course, she could probably be a big piece of furniture herself.

So let's call it a wash and enjoy "Rumours"?

by Anonymousreply 1212/16/2012

But, be honest: who [italic]wouldn't[/italic] want to beat the shit out of Stevie Nicks? Especially when she put on one of those damned medieval shawls and started twirling...

by Anonymousreply 1312/16/2012

[quote]Stevie would be a vaguely witchy Phoenix waitress if it weren't for Lindsay.

No way! She is amazing. Singing "Wild Heart" while getting her make up done.

by Anonymousreply 1412/16/2012

I thought he had a decent solo career. Not like Nicks but good.

by Anonymousreply 1512/16/2012

He didn't produce much over the years, solo-wise, which is a major reason why it's not really accurate to compare him to Stevie. He was too much of a perfectionist and he did everything himself--Nicks had co-writers and producers who had a huge amount of influence on her output. Note, too, that the majority of "Tango in the Night" (not one of their finer efforts) came from a solo record he was working on. He had to gut his own record because Nicks could contribute so little, since she was a mess at that point.

All that aside, he's incredibly self-important. He talked shit on McVie and Nicks's solo careers pretty frequently, and said that he didn't respect them because they rested on their FM laurels. I always thought he seemed a little gay, too. I don't have an opinion about the rumor of his abusing Nicks physically--there's so much back-and-forth there.

by Anonymousreply 1612/16/2012

Buckingham had a very minor solo career. One Top Ten hit; "Trouble" reached No. 9 in January 1982, and "Go Insane" reached No. 23 in October 1984. "Holiday Road" charted for only five weeks, topping out at No. 82 in August 1983.

Nicks was much more successful performer away from the group, reaching the Top 40 on ten different occasions. Eight of those recordings went on to reach the Top 20. Her most successful was her first, the duet with Tom Petty "Stop Dragging My Heart Around" which reached No. 3 in September 1981. She also reached No. 4 with "Talk To Me" in January 1986, and No. 5 with "Stand Back" in August 1983.

Buckingham's solo career is comparable to Christine McVie, who had two Top 40 hits, "Got a Hold On Me," which reached No. 10 in March of 1984, and "Love Will Show Us How", which peaked at No. 30 a few months later.

by Anonymousreply 1712/16/2012

I thought about slapping Stevie, too. We all did.

by Anonymousreply 1812/16/2012

According to Harris, Lindsey would go into fugue like states where he would get violent.

by Anonymousreply 1912/16/2012

His solo work may not have been as commercial as Stevie, but it's good.

by Anonymousreply 2012/16/2012

I wish Christine would come back for one last album - they were definitely at their best with the three lead singer/ songwriters. The album they did with just Stevie and Lindsey was flat in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 2112/16/2012

Yeah, Christine is really overlooked. Helluva a songwriter (including plenty of the "hits"), very good singer, great instrumentalist.

by Anonymousreply 2212/16/2012

Christine must be sick of them. She could easily add vocals or send tracks from her castle. Lyndsey's solo acoustic tour last summer seemed pretty tight, though.

by Anonymousreply 2312/16/2012

Stop the fucking twirling already, I'm going to throw up!

by Anonymousreply 2412/16/2012

McVie wrote more hits than Buckingham or Nicks.

by Anonymousreply 2512/16/2012

Lindsey was undiagnosed epileptic or something back then (didn't he black out and cut all his hair off in the shower or something?), but Stevie was a Level 10 crazy fucking cokehead and alcoholic herself. There were no innocents in that social circle.

by Anonymousreply 2612/16/2012

"Lindsey was undiagnosed epileptic"

He was diagnosed. He was told to quit the coke.

by Anonymousreply 2712/16/2012

Obviously he was diagnosed EVENTUALLY, but not while they were making the Rumours record.

by Anonymousreply 2812/16/2012

Lindsey was on SNL last night. He is always on that sketch What's up with that, but never gets to talk.

by Anonymousreply 2912/16/2012

He is great on that show, R29. Seems like such a patient guy with a great sense of humor. Hard to believe he could ever raise a hand to anybody.

by Anonymousreply 3012/16/2012

Ken Caillat was pissed at Lindsey because he wouldn't agree to be interviewed for the book, so take that for what it's worth.

LB is high-strung and doubtlessly difficult to work with, and all the coke he did in the '70s & '80s did not help with that. He may have gotten a little violent a couple of times back in the day, but he appears to be much mellower these days (especially now that he's off the coke).

by Anonymousreply 3112/16/2012

Bitch please! The stories we could tell.

by Anonymousreply 3212/16/2012

good thread, huge Stevie fan.

by Anonymousreply 3312/16/2012

I loved Trouble.

by Anonymousreply 3412/16/2012

Producer Ken Caillat says that Lindsey tried to strangle him to death in Miami for recording the wrong take of the guitar parts on "You Make Loving Fun"!

Stevie had her own private section on the Fleetwood Mac jet where she would hang with her girlfriends, known as "Stevie's Den."

McVie comes across as laidback but blunt, always with champagne & a cigarette in hand.

by Anonymousreply 3512/16/2012

Ever since Christine quit the band, Lindsey has acted like he's holding some kind of grudge against her. Like how dare she not want to be a part of something he's involved in!

I believe at some point Stevie even said he much she wanted Chris back, that she needed her there for balance.

Lindsey always acts so put upon, as if there wouldn't be a band without him. I think he's immensely talented, but so are the other members. He never wants to give anyone else their due.

by Anonymousreply 3612/16/2012

The album Stevie and Christine did without Lindsey, Behind the Mask actually wasn't half- bad. But it really is the balance of the three styles that made the band work best.

by Anonymousreply 3712/16/2012

He was fucking hot though. I think there were 4 really strong personalities in that group - add in drugs and their sexual relationships to the usual stress of being in a band, it's just gasoline on a fire.

Didn't both he and Stevie come from a very wealthy area? And Lindsey's brother was an Olympic swimmer - I think there was probably really high expectations / demands in that family.

by Anonymousreply 3812/16/2012

He was definitely hot back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 3912/16/2012

I do hope that R29 and R30 are kidding.....

by Anonymousreply 4012/16/2012

What do you mean r40? I've seen him several times in that sketch and he does a great job.

by Anonymousreply 4112/16/2012

R28 - The diagnosis was not long after Rumours. It was in the Tusk era I think.

by Anonymousreply 4212/16/2012

[quote]Stop the fucking twirling already, I'm going to throw up!

Weeeeeeeeeeeee!, says Stevie. Still twirling.

by Anonymousreply 4312/16/2012

The producer also says Stevie was angry that a photo of his dog was used on the cover of "Tusk." She said she would put a hex on the dog and when the dog died 4 years later, Nicks said she was glad. "That cover should have been mine!"

by Anonymousreply 4412/16/2012

Lindsey's brother the swimmer died in 1990 of a heart attack at age 45 - I wonder if it was hereditary or if he was also into cocaine?

by Anonymousreply 4512/16/2012

He was the most talented musician in Fleetwood Mac. Really and exceptional guitar player and arranger. I thought "You Can Go Your Own Way" was better than anything Stevie Nicks or Christine McVie came up with.

It is true that Stevie Nicks would have no career without him. Mick Fleetwood heard Lindsay's guitar playing on the album "Buckingham/Nicks" and asked him to join Fleetwood Mac. Lindsay told him that if he joined his girlfriend Stevie would have to be included; they were a package deal. If it weren't for Lindsay Buckingham nobody would have ever heard of Stevie Nicks.

He also had a lot to do with arranging her songs and making them better. In an interview he talked about how when things got really bad between them he didn't want to help her get her songs in shape to record.

In a bookstore I skimmed through Ann and Nancy Wilson's memoir "Kicking and Dreaming." Stevie Nicks had an interest in them for a while; they said they went to her home, which was filled with pictures of Stevie, "like a shrine to Stevie." They hung out for a while, but the friendship withered. They couldn't keep up with Stevie, booze and cocaine-wise.

by Anonymousreply 4612/16/2012

He sold "Holiday Road" for a Twizzlers ad that's still running and the movie it's from "National Lampoon's Vacation" is currently the Old Navy campaign. I like the original studio version of "Big Love" and always thought the HBO show blew it by not making it the theme.

by Anonymousreply 4712/16/2012

Stevie was a better composer of words than Lindsey, but Lindsey was the better musician. I think even Stevie recognized LB's talents.

by Anonymousreply 4812/16/2012

The studio version is great, R47 but I think the live version on The Dance is some of the most insane guitar work I have ever heard in my life.

by Anonymousreply 4912/16/2012

[quote]Didn't both he and Stevie come from a very wealthy area? And Lindsey's brother was an Olympic swimmer - I think there was probably really high expectations / demands in that family.

They both come from wealthy families. Lindsey's Grandfather founded Keystone Coffee and his father founded Alta Coffee

by Anonymousreply 5012/16/2012

R41, that's Bill Hader playing him. Come on now.

by Anonymousreply 5112/16/2012

r36, I think part of it is that he never got the credit he deserved as a guitarist.

I don't mean that it justifies his treatment of people, just that it might affect his attitude about the press and the business.

Stephen Stills is another one who is basically the same, the driven guy who pushes everyone else, then gets slammed for it. Another criminally under-rated guitarist, too.

by Anonymousreply 5212/16/2012

I always thought Lindsey should do a soundtrack, spacious instrumentals with his unique picking and masterful production. Of course an indie, but he can afford to do it for nothing - he's RICH. I read he's given new songs for the film "This is 40", but that's big studio, high profile CRAP. I'm talking art.

by Anonymousreply 5312/16/2012

Who is John Hader?

by Anonymousreply 5412/16/2012

I thought Stevie's dad was a higher up at Greyhound or some bus service.

by Anonymousreply 5512/16/2012

He was. And also Armour foods. Stevie said she could go anywhere by bus for free. She had one of her gratis tickets with her in Colorado ('the snow covered hills' of the song 'Landslide) and was considering bagging the whole music thing and going back to college.

by Anonymousreply 5612/16/2012

I agree R41, and he's always really gracious when time run's out.

by Anonymousreply 5712/16/2012

Producer Ken Caillet's daughter had a recent hit with "Bubbly" (starts with her asking "will you count me in?"

by Anonymousreply 5812/16/2012

R58, that was five years ago.

by Anonymousreply 5912/17/2012

Ah-ooh! Ah-eeh! Ah-owa!

The first lyrics heard on Trouble.

Why couldn't Lindsay pronounce "Two, three, four" correctly?

by Anonymousreply 6012/17/2012

I'm just glad for them that they all got one last big reunion album and tour together in the late 90s when they still sounded great as a five member band, the classic lineup. Also there is some big deluxe package of Rumours coming out soon, with video and demo recordings and all kinds of stuff. For the real die hard fans.

I can totally believe the Wilson sisters (Heart) about Stevie's house being an "all about moi!" shrine to Stevie. Half of the woman's lyrics are about her, often in the 3rd person. "Well she walks down a hallwayyy.. and well, she sees a roo-oom, baby..." I love Stevie but in limited doses, which is one reason why the Mac mix worked so well.

Also Lindsey's later solo albums are pretty good. They kind of have that OCD thing going on, the way he likes to produce very tight claustrophobic spaces for his songs. But I like some of the stuff. There is a gorgeous track on one of them, called "Cast-away Dreams."

by Anonymousreply 6112/17/2012

"Cast Away Dreams" is a very sad song.

by Anonymousreply 6212/17/2012

He's been very prolific the last few years and his last solo album was fantastic. He has 3 songs on the This is 40 soundtrack and sings and plays guitar on Norah Jones song. His guitar work is stellar. Like this one.

by Anonymousreply 6312/18/2012

Sounds like Steve Martin at the beginning of "Trouble."

by Anonymousreply 6412/18/2012

at 205 on this one he has some interesting guitar work. Need to listen on headphones for full effect. The guy is an underrated genius, jerk or not.

by Anonymousreply 6512/18/2012

Thank you, tiny singing witch.

by Anonymousreply 6612/18/2012

"He was. And also Armour foods. Stevie said she could go anywhere by bus for free. She had one of her gratis tickets with her in Colorado ('the snow covered hills' of the song 'Landslide) and was considering bagging the whole music thing and going back to college."

You're right, R56, but there's more to the story. Stevie was stuck in Colorado because Greyhound wasn't running due to a strike.

by Anonymousreply 6712/18/2012

Have any of you checked out the ORIGINAL Fleetwood Mac, the British blues band version with Mick Fleetwood, John McVie and the original guitarist, the brilliant, but troubled, Peter Green?

Peter wrote "Black Magic Woman", which was a big hit for Santana and also many other great songs which the pop version of the band continued to perform.

I think most American fans of the Nicks/Buckingham version of this band have no clue that Fleetwood Mac were a completely different band when they toured in the US during the 1960s!

It's pretty sad that many are unaware of the original band. I had absolutely no interest in the Nicks/Buckingham version of the band. Nicks voice literally hurt my ears, she sounded like she had a bad nasal condition.

I did enjoy when Christine McVie joined, as I was familiar with her from when she was in band called Chicken Shack.

by Anonymousreply 6812/18/2012

R69 says it -- listen to their album, "Then Play On."

by Anonymousreply 6912/18/2012

[quote]Have any of you checked out the ORIGINAL Fleetwood Mac, the British blues band version with Mick Fleetwood, John McVie and the original guitarist, the brilliant, but troubled, Peter Green?

or "Mystery to Me" with all the songs written by poor, late Bob Welch and Christine. "Hypnotized" is my favorite Fleetwood Mac song.

by Anonymousreply 7012/18/2012

I love Mystery to Me, R70!! Hypnotized is great. So is "Why" and "Emerald Eyes."

by Anonymousreply 7112/18/2012

Eldergays like Lindsey Buckingham (me 42) but the the real Eldergays like the FM before Lindsey and Stevie. Now that's elder.

by Anonymousreply 7212/18/2012

Oh god, Peter Green. Another troubled, under-rated genius.

The under-rated genius list is a thread by itself.

The disturbed ones like Green and the under appreciated ones like Buckingham and Mick Ronson.

by Anonymousreply 7312/18/2012

LOL R72, I'm 31! But not ashamed to join the pantheon of "eldergays." Glad to have a seat at the table. Especially since I'm now old and have various aches.

by Anonymousreply 7412/18/2012

He plays with just fingers, his plucking style reminds me of violin players fingers. Is that typical for guitar players? I guess I thought they all used picks. He also has slender, long, attractive fingers. He must have a slender, long cock.

by Anonymousreply 7512/18/2012

We used to fart in Stevie's section of the jet as we walked to the lavatory. The caviar made me especially gassy.

by Anonymousreply 7612/18/2012

r75, it's atypical for rock guitarists.

The ones who are more into the instrument play with their fingers or a combination, depending on what they're playing.

by Anonymousreply 7712/18/2012

He's an extremely fast finger picker. When he picks he sounds like two guitars at once.

by Anonymousreply 7812/18/2012

He still manages to be relevant not resting on his laurels. His past few albums and his 3 new songs on This is 40 are great. The song Brother and Sister on the "this is 40" is so freaking good and innovative.

by Anonymousreply 7912/18/2012

Makes me sad to hear this about him.

by Anonymousreply 8012/18/2012

Think of me sweet darlin.. when you dont cum.

by Anonymousreply 8112/18/2012

R80 he's not giving guitar lessons for a living! It was for guitar world magazine and all the greats do it. Duh.

by Anonymousreply 8212/19/2012

As much as I love Stevie, she'd be nowhere without him. If you really listen to the stuff she recorded without his input, it's drastically different and rather inferior.

Having seen them live several times, both with the band and as solo acts, the interesting difference is that while Buckingham is a pretty genius musician, he's not a "star" the way she is--he just doesn't connect with an audience in the same way, though musically he is infinitely superior. The trouble is he's sort of cold and even pedantic with an audience, and she's magnetic. When the band performed together, you couldn't take your eyes off her, though the real music was coming from the others.

by Anonymousreply 8312/19/2012

I tried, but I could never get into FM. It's too bad, because I like Stevie's voice.

by Anonymousreply 8412/19/2012

Did Lindsay ever have any children? Or any of the Fleetwood Mac members??

by Anonymousreply 8512/19/2012

Lindsey married a stevie nicks look alike and has 3 kids with her.. William, Stella, and Leelee

by Anonymousreply 8612/19/2012

"Did Lindsay ever have any children? Or any of the Fleetwood Mac members??"

As another poster mentioned, Lindsay has children. So does Mick Fleetwood. John McVie has at least one child. Christine McVie is child-free and so is Stevie.

In an early article in Rolling Stone (the issue where the cover photo showed them all in bed together) Stevie Nicks said they "for sure" she wanted one or two children and a house in the country with a lot of dogs and cats. Sounds very wholesome. Of course, nobody knew back then that she was a slutty cokehead. The two children she spoke of never materialized. It's probably just as well. I can't imagine Stevie Nicks as a mother. She seems too wrapped up with herself; she doesn't seem like a maternal type at all.

by Anonymousreply 8712/19/2012

Glad to see him getting some love here for his brilliant guitar playing. Anyone who plays knows how difficult it can be to duplicate his style.

I also think his talent for arranging and producing was a huge factor in FM's success (not to diminish the songwriting abilities of Stevie & Christine).

by Anonymousreply 8812/19/2012

His guitar work on live Big Love is just incredible.

by Anonymousreply 8912/19/2012

Incredibly talented and underrated guitarist.

This is shallow, but he was easy on the eyes as well.

by Anonymousreply 9012/19/2012

And another.

by Anonymousreply 9112/19/2012

R87, Stevie said in an interview a couple years ago that it was her xanax (or one of the benzos) dependence that she blames for missing the boat on having kids and that she really regrets it.

by Anonymousreply 9212/19/2012

the studio version of "Big Love" is just amazing.

by Anonymousreply 9302/07/2013

I've met both of them many times over the years. First time I met Lindsey was when I was about 13. Met him again later on at a restaurant. He smiled and remembered me. I met Stevie many times too, but it was always during her spaced out days. Then finally about 10 years ago I spoke to her again (I was already in the music industry) and was glad her head was clear.

by Anonymousreply 9402/07/2013

Klonopin, in fact, R92. She was really zonked on it. She blames it on her MD, she never takes ownership of any of her own problems. Same with cocaine, "no one told us it was bad for us."

Duh Stevie.

by Anonymousreply 9502/07/2013

R68, this Fleetwood Mac is so different from the Fleetwood Mac British blues band that they really should have had different names.

by Anonymousreply 9602/07/2013

This is so weird. I have 13,000+ songs on iTunes, and just as I'm starting to write this, on comes Lindsey Buckingham's "Flying Down Juniper" from the 2006 UNDER THE SKIN album.

Anyway, what I want to say is that his solo music is so much better than hers, I can't believe we're even comparing them.

Here's his tribute to Dennis Wilson, "DW Suite," from GO INSANE. After it, listen to "Bang the Drum," in the right hand column.

There's not a bad note on GO INSANE. And 1992's OUT OF THE CRADLE is also universally excellent.

by Anonymousreply 9702/07/2013

LB is brilliant, but he could be an obnoxious SOB. In her book, his ex, Carol Harris, documents several cases of that, including a couple incidents where he beat her.

by Anonymousreply 9802/07/2013

Thanks for those, R90 and R91.

by Anonymousreply 9902/07/2013

[quote] Stevie said in an interview a couple years ago that it was her xanax (or one of the benzos) dependence that she blames for missing the boat on having kids and that she really regrets it.

Sure, she says that NOW, but in the early 80s when she was young and completely full of herself, she would always talk about needing to make "sacrifices" in order to become a big female rock star. I remember her saying in one interview, "I was not put here to be a mother, I was not put here to be a priest, and I was not put here to be a cleaning lady. I was put here to be a poet". I guess she figured she'd have plenty of time to change her mind.

As for Lindsey--he did block that Stevie hanger-on Sheryl Crow from replacing Christine McVie in Fleetwood Mac, so he's okay in my book.

by Anonymousreply 10002/07/2013

She'd be nowhere without him, her lyrics aren't focused and are nonsensical, her melodies sometimes just ramble on, too.

by Anonymousreply 10102/08/2013

The knock on Lindsey is well overblown. Buckingham lived in the studio, and that was a majority of his life. While the band recorded and left for their lives, he stayed and shaped their albums. His bitterness was that most of the work of the fleetwood mac albums fell to him to make. It's documented. Check out the "changes" stevie had to make to cut her first solo.

Lindsey gets a terrible rap. He was the engine that put FM into outer space..

by Anonymousreply 10205/15/2013

LB was and is a brilliant musician and producer, but he was a shithead.

by Anonymousreply 10305/16/2013

Who cares if his solo career wasn't as successful as Stevie's. He is infinitely more talented a musician than her and the engine that makes the band great.

by Anonymousreply 10406/22/2013

Go your own way is one of the greatest songs ever.

by Anonymousreply 10506/22/2013

I have always thought he was incredibly good-looking on the cover of the Law and Order album, although I've always wondered why he is wearing such obvious eye makeup on his left eyelid and whether that is deliberate and supposed to mean something.

by Anonymousreply 10606/23/2013

It was the combination of Lindsey and Stevie that made them magical - Their early bank Fritz was an opening act for the likes of Janis Joplin and The Mamas and the Papas - I admit to being a Fleetwood Mac and Stevie Fangurl - Lindsay was a great guitarist but Stevie had the magic - she wrote the lyrics to Landslide, Dreams, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy etc etc - Twirl it girl and Stand Back

by Anonymousreply 10706/23/2013

Would anyone think Buckingham is the biggest jerk in the world if they weren't influenced by Stevie Nicks fans? People who worship a narcisistic coke whore love to exaggerate one man's few isolated incidents of bad temper. Buckingham is no choir boy, but he doesn't get the pass on bad behavior the other men in Fleetwood Mac get. John McVie's abuse of Chris is never talked about. Why not? Mick certainly never talks about it. Neither does Chris. Both hardly mind airing Lindsey's dirty laundry. Bob Welch said John verbally abused Chris daily. I heard him call her stupid and a fat cow on the radio myself for Christ's sake. Bob said he saw John going after Chris with a butcher knife and it was just another day in the life. Fans don't view John as mean or violent, why? Because taking John down doesn't enhance the image of Stevie Nicks the way taking Lindsey down a peg does.

by Anonymousreply 10807/24/2013

"love to exaggerate one man's few isolated incidents of bad temper"

I mean, yeah, she was just asking for it...

by Anonymousreply 10907/24/2013

You are pathetic, r108.

by Anonymousreply 11007/24/2013

R108 - Lindsey's ex Carol Ann Harris wrote a tell-all that makes LB look really bad. On a few occasions, he beat her.

by Anonymousreply 11107/24/2013

When Stevie sings she is mumbling. She made a career out of mumbling lyrics and twirling around in Victorian inspired garb. Meh.

by Anonymousreply 11207/24/2013

I heard Stevie Nicks kicked some chick in the vagina bone, and broke her vagina bone.

by Anonymousreply 11307/24/2013

I think Lindsey is great, his voice is certainly kinder on the ears than Nicks. His song Trouble is good, during the Tusk era he looked hot with that short new wave hair cut, say what you will about him but he was one good looking guy when he was young, and he was the best thing about Fleetwood Mac. I love him.

by Anonymousreply 11401/19/2014

I like Stevie, but I like Lindsey better. His solo work in my opinion is better than hers although hers was more popular. Plus I own all his albums. His guitar playing and songwriting is beyond excellent. He's definitely underrated and overlooked. Seeing him live is where it's at. I try not to focus on the bad things about him because the past is the past and it's over now. I'm sure he's not like that anymore. But it does suck he was like that in the first place. And I can't help but admit it, he was super hot when he was younger. I love checking out old pics of him. I agree with you Dean. I liked his short hair, too.

by Anonymousreply 11502/09/2014

He was easily the most talented and hottest member of the band. That's all that matters.

by Anonymousreply 11602/09/2014

Holy crap! Back to LB! Again? LB had the post-Mac career he wanted. He quit. Was given the farm to come back. Got tons more money to rejoin. Plus, is the most active (according to Billboard) post-70s major performer. 5 albums (one 'leaked') in last few years? Who else been so active of that age? read the reviews. Pretty awesome. And, better than reviews, they're good. Edgy and out-there. Brave and cool. Better than anyone else from 70s or 60s...still new material, not cruising on Mike Love's oldies circuit. Cutting edge and reviewed yet (read Stereogum) by the youngsters magazines.

So what if he killed a few people? Good for cred.

by Anonymousreply 11702/09/2014

Unfortunately for him, he was also the most unlikeable, which led to less success than Nicks has had.

by Anonymousreply 11802/10/2014

He "killed a few people"? Proof?

by Anonymousreply 11902/10/2014

No one would have ever heard of Stevie Nicks if it wasn't for Lindsay Buckingham. That's how she got into Fleetwood Mac. Mick Fleetwood asked him to join the band, and he said that he and his girlfriend were a "package deal." That's how she got in Fleetwood Mac; not because of any exceptional talent, but because she was sleeping with a very talented man.

by Anonymousreply 12002/10/2014

The song "Tusk" came on an 80s channel this weekend, and I got to thinking what a mindfuck it must've been to RUMOURS fans to have first heard this lead single from their next project!

by Anonymousreply 12102/10/2014

LB was awesome at the Grammys. He didn't get nearly enough attention (or camera time) playing with Nine Inch Nails and Queens of the Stone Age (and Dave Grohl).

Who else from the group does anything similar these days?

by Anonymousreply 12202/10/2014

We first heard it as the title cut on Side 4 of the album TUSK, when it came out in 1979, R121. And you're right. It was a mindfuck. The whole album was, for me, except for "Sara."

Now I like it better than RUMOURS.

by Anonymousreply 12302/10/2014

Love "Save Me a Place" by Lindsey on TUSK.

by Anonymousreply 12402/10/2014

R120, that woman also worked two full-time jobs, one as a waitress and one cleaning houses, so Lindsey could stay home writing songs and perfecting his guitar. They truly were a package deal, and Fleetwood Mac owes much of its success to Nicks as well. Damn straight they're glad they got both ends of that package deal.

by Anonymousreply 12502/10/2014

There is some gorgeous material on Tusk if you cherry-pick with a little tenacity. "Storms" is the most tenderly heartbroken Stevie ever sounded; "Brown Eyes" is the most seductive and sensual Christine McVie ever sounded; "Honey Hi" is two brief minutes of gorgeous stacked-overdub harmonies of the 3 singers' voices.. And "That's All For Everyone" (Lindsey) manages to be sublime and sadly resigned at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 12602/10/2014

I think it's unkind to even go there. Who are we to judge. Imagine your whole life, the ups the downs, a broken heart, the drugs, ad infinitum being played out for the whole world to see. It's bound to take it's toll. In my opinion Lindsey loved Stevie and probably always will but they could not sustain the lifestyle and the relationship. The lifestyle nearly ruined them all. I think he's a genius as is Stevie Nicks. He had his own way of dealing with things. They were both casualties not just Stevie. I don't condone violence at all but people are people. We all have a done things we're not proud of and each one of us is capable of unspeakable acts. They are human.

by Anonymousreply 12709/06/2014

Agreed!!! He comes from Lindenwood... wealthy, walled Atherton subdivision. A spoiled rich kid full of himself from the beginning, so why would he change? When I read he was struggling in LA I just have to laugh. He was trying to hide his wealth because it was not cool back around the 60s, but you can bet he was never destitute and knew he could always fall back on his parents. I have never liked narcissists. I never thought he was a 'great' musician either. He was good enough, but NEVER great. He was a mediocre musician in high school at best.

by Anonymousreply 12801/26/2015

wrong Lindsey is a GREAT guitarist. When you hear his playing you immediately know its him. BTW Stevie is being a bitch lately refusing to commit to a new FM album, even though MC Vie is back. Something she has been hoping for for years. She's the one full of herself now.

by Anonymousreply 12901/26/2015

Lindsey is better than Stevie. And I like them both.

by Anonymousreply 13001/26/2015

Christine might be one of the most under appreciated great musicians out there today. It's nice to see her get some recognition with her return.

Just saw them last night. My God she sounds great. What a smooth, velvety warm voice. She's an incredible talent, and never wanted to be the center of attention. To her, it was always about the music. And boy does it stand tall with her: You Make Loving Fun, Why, Songbird, Get Like You Used to Be, Isn't It Midnight, Everywhere, Over My Head, Honey Hi, Brown Eyes, Oh Daddy, Little Lies, Nights in can go on and on. Totally sublime performer, and so gracious.

by Anonymousreply 13101/26/2015

He brought us the album "Go Insane," so I'm willing to forgive whatever "real jerk" he may have been.

by Anonymousreply 13201/27/2015

I saw the same show, R131. They all looked and sounded fantastic. I'm so glad I got to see them. I don't know if I'll ever get another chance. Love them all.

by Anonymousreply 13301/27/2015

One of the greatest bands of all time. All the incarnations.

by Anonymousreply 13401/27/2015

Fleetwood Mac was everything when I was in Jr. High. Maybe I'm just an old fart, but nothing on the Top 40 now is anywhere near as good as Dreams, which was in heavy rotation for at least a year in the 70's.

One of my friends has two daughters in college, and both of them are big Fleetwood Mac fans now. The music is being appreciated by a whole new generation.

To quote a famous comedian, I think the 70's was the best time...."pre AIDs, mid coke..."

But of course I was just a pre-teen, listening to the same records over and over in my room.

by Anonymousreply 13501/27/2015

Dreams is a perfect pop song.

by Anonymousreply 13601/27/2015

I saw them in October at MSG and was completely blown away by Lindsay's guitar playing. I think for the first time I appreciated his individual genius as well as the collective genius that is Fleetwood Mac. It wasn't the first time I'd seen them either - late 80s, early 90s, then two shows later without Christine.

I had such a great time at the last show I wanted to get tickets when they announced additional tour dates in 2015 but decided to not try to top the experience of the last show.

by Anonymousreply 13701/27/2015

You're right R121. When I first heard Tusk, I hated it and felt betrayed, it sounded so different.

I was in high school, and remember smoking hash with my stoner friend in the car, and then heading inside for a pep rally. The pep rally was in the auditorium, which had a great sound system. As all of the students were filing in and taking their seats, Tusk played at a very high volume and I remember kind of tripping, listening to all of the background instruments and noises.

I appreciated the song after that, and am still transported back to that auditorium whenever I hear it.

It almost makes me forget about all of my really horrid high school memories, but not quite.

by Anonymousreply 13801/27/2015

I didn't hear it as a single, R121, but it was still a "mindfuck." The whole album was, except for "Sara," the first couple of times I heard it. Now I listen to the album more than RUMOURS.

by Anonymousreply 13901/27/2015

His solo albums are always excellent. Some people can't handle Lindsey's passionate vocals, but the guitar, songwriting and production are always stellar. He might lay on the heavy eccentricity, but Lindsey doesn't make crap.

by Anonymousreply 14001/27/2015

What a great performance of Never going back again this is. Great guitar player.

by Anonymousreply 14101/28/2015

Stevie has an excellent album out now. "24 Karat Gold-Songs From the Vault." I really like it and it got very good reviews. Give it a listen. I like Stevie on her own but never could wrap my head around any solo Lindsey Buckingham albums.

by Anonymousreply 14201/28/2015

Stevie Nicks is a genius. The songs SHE has written are so much better than anything Lindsey has written. Christine is also a much better song writer than Lindsey. Lindsey just loves to take all of the credit for Stevie's and Christine's songs. If you listen to the brilliant songs, that Stevie has written, which were NOT produced by Buckingham, you can see that HER songs were brilliant WITHOUT Buckingham. I absolutely love Lindsey Buckingham. He is my favorite guitarist, only second to Hendrix, and I love his songs too. But, give me a break, if you do NOT think Stevie Nicks is an absolute GENIUS, there is something wrong here. I would put Stevie Nicks and John Lennon at the same level, as far as songwriting. Also, I love Buckingham's voice, but Stevie's voice is BRILLIANT.

by Anonymousreply 14305/20/2015

They are both geniuses, and they fed off each other.

by Anonymousreply 14405/20/2015

R143 has never gone his own way. Or gone insane. Or to the DW Suite.

by Anonymousreply 14505/20/2015

Think of me, sweet darlin' Every time things get rough Think of me, sweet darlin' When the best just isn't enough Think of me, sweet darlin' Every time you don't come

by Anonymousreply 14605/20/2015

To the people saying Stevie would be nothing without Lindsey, sure, she joined Fleetwood Mac because she was his girlfriend, but let's face it-without Stevie Nicks, FM would NEVER have reached the heights that they did. She wrote many of their best-loved songs, (Rhiannon, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy, Sara ect) as well as their ONLY # 1., "Dreams". As a frontwoman, she was central to their success and started trends in the 70's with her sexy "Rock n' roll Farrah Fawcett" look and chiffon gyspy style. Stevie in concert was absolutely enchanting, twirling around in her glittery shawls, top hats, flowing chiffon and platform boots. Christine McVie and Mick Fleetwood have both stated that Stevie added tremendously to the band, and that her influence was enormous. There is a reason that she is, without question, the best-loved member of the group and has had the greatest solo success. As far as Lindsey, sure, he's a musical genius and one of the great guitar players, but he's also a violent, short-tempered, woman beating asshole. This has been well documented. Besides Ken Callilet, ex-girlfriends Carol Ann Harris and Christina Conte have both attested to this. The reason that John McVie isn't mentioned as much as Lindsey is because he has ADMITTED that he was a terrible husband, apologized for it, and said that Christine put up with a lot of shit, and he didn't blame her at all for leaving him. And speaking of Christine, you all want to talk about how Stevie got in the band because of Lindsey, but didn't Christine get in the band the very same way-through HER husband, John McVie? The bottom line is, who gives a fuck how someone got in, it's all about what they contributed and Stevie Nicks contributed greatly, as a songwriter and as the eternally enchanting frontwoman. Anyone who is honest with themselves knows that without her, Fleetwood Mac would not have become what they did. Lindsey alone, exceptional guitarist that he is, could not and would not have brought what him and Stevie together did and even the other members say this. Stevie Nicks fucking MADE Fleetwood Mac! period.

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