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Feeling very guilty...did I do the right thing?

This is long but true. I feel horrible. I work for a large government agency, with a woman who is basically a miserable human being who causes trouble for everyone else. She's the type of worker that gives government employees a bad name; she's a few years from retirement, takes naps during the workday, smokes weed in the bathroom at work (I have no idea how she still has a job...), pushes work assignments on other people, and the work that she does manage to do she purposely does incorrectly so that other people have to fix it.

Anyway, our workplace allows people four hours of paid leave to go donate blood. You don't have to use your own accrued vacation/sick time, it's separate, you just have to submit a signed form to your manager the next day. Well, she donates blood once every few months, and recently told a few people that she doesn't actually donate blood--she just goes home. Apparently she has blank forms from when she actually donated blood a few years back, and just submits a forged document each time.

WELL. I kept that to myself, but knew she could get in a lot of trouble for it. One day I just had it, and anonymously reported the situation to the investigations department where we work. We're supposed to report any wrong doing that we see, especially when it involves government waste.

I found out yesterday that they are in fact investigating her, and from what I've heard, she very likely is going to lose her job.

I feel TERRIBLE. While I did do the "correct" thing-this woman now about to be out of a job because of me. She's going through a divorce and there's been a lot of financial issues surrounding that as it is, and I have all these scenarios running through my head. She has next to no skills, she's in her late 50's, she will have gotten fired from a government job; it will be impossible for her to find something easily. What if she kills herself? I feel absolutely awful. Even though she did the wrong thing in the first place, am I a cunt for reporting it, or did I genuinely do the right thing? I feel terrible.

by Anonymousreply 6112/11/2012

On behalf of the taxpayers allow me to congratulate you for doing the right thing. It's high time that woman found a job where doing actual work is a requirement.

by Anonymousreply 111/28/2012

OP, I had a friend years ago that worked at the post office. She got involved with drugs big time and fucked up major at her job. Eventually, she went into rehab and then retired and received disability

She gets over $3000 a month from the US Post Office

You should have just minded ur own business, but I bet this women makes out just fine.

by Anonymousreply 211/28/2012

OP--

Good for you for having misgivings about turning her in means you have a conscience.

BUT--she is a government employee. When she is ripping off her employer, she is ripping off the constituents. There is an appropriate punishment, and that's not your concern.

Look at it this way: if you did what she did and were caught, you'd be in her position. The difference is that you do not do what she did.

by Anonymousreply 311/28/2012

I work in a government job too, OP. It's annoying seeing people get away with shit like this. I see it all the time. She probably burnt out a long time ago, but it's no excuse to make it bad for those around you. There's a possibility she might not get fired - she might just get disciplined if she has no documented history of abusing the system. If she does get fired, then it's deservedly so - no one should just expect to get away with stuff like this. It was a long time coming for her. You can't control what she does after. A shitty life isn't an excuse to be a fuck up at work.

by Anonymousreply 411/28/2012

OP - she brought it on herself. You'll find that the workplace will be better when she's gone and a lot of bullshit in other areas will stop once word gets out why she was let go.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling she will be written up, perhaps put on suspension, but will keep her job in the end.

Either way, it's a good shake-up that she needed.

You did the right thing.

by Anonymousreply 511/28/2012

Op, you did the right thing. I know another government worker (FBI) who recently retired and basically did fuck all her entire working life.

by Anonymousreply 611/28/2012

She's a cunt. To hell with her, OP.

by Anonymousreply 711/28/2012

"...I have all these scenarios running through my head."

Are any of them elaborate?

by Anonymousreply 911/29/2012

Lying about giving blood? Why doesn't she just punch a kitten? She's a grown woman, let her take responsibility for her actions. It's never too late to grow up!

by Anonymousreply 1011/29/2012

OP, I once did something quite similar. I turned in a coworker for doing something quite comparable to what your work colleague did.

Ultimately he was not fired. He was allowed to resign. He ended up receiving back pay for the several weeks' time he spent on administrative leave while his case was being investigated.

Mind you, this was someone caught red-handed ripping off taxpayers. Tt didn't affect his life at all. He just got a job at another agency.

So probably nothing will happen to your coworker.

I was the one with sleepless nights. The upper management of the agency where I worked all knew I was the whistle-blower. I was terrified word would get back to my coworker. Just be glad you reported your coworker anonymously.

I didn't feel guilty. I was pissed the coworker put me in the position he did.

by Anonymousreply 1111/29/2012

OP, this is just Karma coming home to roost for her. Don't waste another moment of your time or energy stressing about it.

by Anonymousreply 1211/29/2012

Yes, OP, you are a bit cunty. Yes, you should feel guilty.

No, I don't really believe your story.

by Anonymousreply 1311/29/2012

LOL @ R9.

OP, you did the right thing. She's the guilty one, not you. I've fired lots of people for willful misconduct. Of course they all cry that they have kids to feed, etc. My response, "well, you shoulda thought of that before you (fill in the blank)."

by Anonymousreply 1411/29/2012

OP, you weren't cunty. You did absolutely the right thing. SO many government cubicle hamsters are just wastes of space using up taxpayer dollars, doing nothing til they retire and collect huge pensions for being worthless in their job for years. They have no skills yet are rewarded with great pensions, benefits, etc for wasting our taxpayer dollars being inefficient and worthless in jobs that are almost impossible to lose.

I for one thank you for your efforts.

by Anonymousreply 1511/29/2012

OP --- I've been in your shoes. Those corporate policies are tricky because, as an employee, you're told you have a responsibility to report these kinds of things and turning a blind eye can potentially cause YOU trouble.

So you did the right thing. And because she didn't do the right thing, she'll suffer the consequences. (and she topped it off by doing something even stupider by TELLING people !).

I guess you have to ask yourself what you would do if you heard the same news about a 'good' (or 'better') employee. The 'correct' answer would be to do the same thing you did with her and let the people who investigate these things figure it out.

In my case, the employee was fired after the investigation turned up information that was even more in violation of company policy than what I had reported. She was in similar circumstances as your person and it doesn't feel 'good', but you do what is 'right' and let the people who make the decisions do their jobs.

by Anonymousreply 1611/29/2012

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke

by Anonymousreply 1711/29/2012

I have always refused to do anything that affects the job of another. You don't walk in someone's shoes and have no right to interfere with them

by Anonymousreply 1811/29/2012

OP, let's put it like this: Let's say you saw someone mugging a vulnerable person. Would you 'mind your own business'? Or would you call for help? I hope you would step in and do something - either physically interfere, or if not safe, call the cops / take pics.

This is the same scenario, except the mugger is a gov't employee and the vulnerable person is the regular people who lose because of her actions (whether the loss is by someone unemployed who would do her job well, or by the extra cost to taxpayers).

I've been in a situation where I saw someone stealing from the government and reported him, and later felt really bad because he might get a misdemeanor because of it. But here's another way to look at it: if you do nothing, you are colluding with her actions, just as all the neighbors of a child who gets beaten, who never turn in the kid's parents. So just ask yourself if you want to participate in her theft or not. Then you don't have to feel guilty.

You did nothing wrong. If this is inconvenient for her, that is what she created, right? You did not create her mess.

by Anonymousreply 1911/29/2012

R18 she's wasting OUR taxpayer dollars. It would be one thing if this were a private company and they had to deal with it. But she's on a government payroll and scamming us by spending years not doing her job and illegally forging blood donations so she could go home and lay on her couch.

OP totally did the right thing. Government workers are the highest level of lazy. They know they can get away with just about anything and not get in trouble.

She finally did. By her own making. And by BRAGGING about it.

Hope she's fired. She deserves it. Too many Americans out of work who would like to actually work a real job and lazy shiftless blobs like her are wasting time and taxpayer expense.

by Anonymousreply 2011/29/2012

Everyone (except DL apparently) hates snitches.

by Anonymousreply 2111/29/2012

R21, the woman he's describing is the type of government worker the entire country hates. And DL especially hates.

He's not a snitch. She bragged about scamming her job and got caught. She deserves the consequences.

Or are you happy that a worthless government slug that your taxpayer dollars pay for will keep getting away with years of bad behavior only to retire and get a giant pension and benefits for life, which we'll pay for til the day she dies?

Good job OP.

by Anonymousreply 2211/29/2012

OP, if you want her to get fired you have to make a bigger stink about it. They will sweep it under the rug if you don't. Let the public know about all the waste in your office Call a reporter to let them know. Once the taxpayers learn about it, they can't just give her a slap on the wrist.

by Anonymousreply 2311/29/2012

Idiots like R18 and R21 think "the government" is a magical wizard of oz with unlimited funds. They never make the connection that it's hard working, tax paying citizens who are paying to coddle these lazy pigs.

by Anonymousreply 2411/29/2012

I can feeeeeeel your anger. It gives you focus. Makes you stronger!

by Anonymousreply 2511/29/2012

I look at it this way - if she was telling people what she was doing, then on a subconscious level she wanted people to know, probably as an out. She was pretty flagrant in her disregard. Even if she wasn't doing it on a subconscious level, she had to guess it couldn't last. Maybe you helped her make a decision she didn't want to make on her own.

by Anonymousreply 2611/29/2012

This makes me feel much, much better. Thank you for responding. I feel like I potentially ruined her life, but really, she did it to herself. What kind of idiot brags to COWORKERS about this type of shit? If we worked in the private sector I'd be more inclined to turn a blind eye and keep my mouth shut, but I feel a moral obligation to taxpayers and honestly hate to see government waste. It was bad enough with this woman not even doing work all day, but stealing time to go "donate blood"? That's pretty low. My partner works for the same agency but in another division, when word reaches I think I'm just going to keep quiet and make this an ancient datalounge secret. Even though I know I did the right thing, I just want to forget that I did it. I'll trust the investigators to reach the proper decision! Thanks for making me feel less like an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 2711/29/2012

I would have spoken to her myself, told her to cut it out and stop talking, and given her a warning. Due process should be followed.

by Anonymousreply 2811/29/2012

If there had been cuts to the department and you or your partner had been let go and she got to stay, you would have felt even worse.

It's horrible that she bragged to so many people yet it took for one person to break away from it all to report her. The honor among thieves is what breeds this type of assholery in workplaces.

by Anonymousreply 2911/29/2012

[quote]I would have spoken to her myself, told her to cut it out and stop talking, and given her a warning. Due process should be followed

Terrible idea. It makes you part of the whole mess way beyond reporting it. What exactly is "due process" in this situation. The due process is that someone reports something, it gets investigated and appropriate action is taken if an issue is found.

by Anonymousreply 3011/29/2012

OP what's done is done.

However there is karma. So from this point forward you better not cut corners and follow the employee rule book 100%.

Don't even take a company pen home.

One false move you make, you might get yourself reported by somebody in your department.

That is karma, so you better follow every rule 100%.

by Anonymousreply 3111/29/2012

If she was telling multiple people about it you might not be the only one who reported it, OP. If she had told you in confidence it would be a little messier.

by Anonymousreply 3211/29/2012

Lots of snitches on this board. The truth is people should not have to work to live. We have created this society with inverted values, and it is hardly surprising that so many people on here are keen to get someone fired who did something completely trivial. Now if it is true she never does any work, then everyone will be better off. But I have a feeling from the way you presented that that this isn't the case.

by Anonymousreply 3311/29/2012

OP=the tattletale snitch of his masters

by Anonymousreply 3411/29/2012

[quote]Lots of snitches on this board. The truth is people should not have to work to live.

Uh, what, R33?

by Anonymousreply 3511/29/2012

[quote] The truth is people should not have to work to live.

R33 has a Che Guevara poster in his bedroom and recently had his mind blown by the works of Nietzsche.

by Anonymousreply 3611/29/2012

I agree: we should not have to work to live. We should all be lazy slobs who sit at our computers playing all day. The food we need to eat? We shouldn't have to grow it or cook it or anything like that. It should just magically appear on our dinner plates.

See, I (actually) agree that capitalism has issues, but white countries (esp the U.S.) are abundantly rich and far removed from reality (we live on the backs of brown people in poor countries).

There is tremendous input required to create food, clothing, and shelter. Let alone medicines and all the doodads we must have. If you didn't have to pay 'the man' or live in our warped society anymore, you would instead have to actually provide for yourself - like homesteading, which is a helluva lot of work, and allows no leisure time.

by Anonymousreply 3711/30/2012

R37 isn't that what the Jetsons promised? That show was based on the premise that the routine tasks of life would be improved by technology and it would give us all leisure time. What was implied by that vision of the world was SOCIALISM, where people who didn't work at much of anything were taken care of by this new super productive world. And it was logical given the premise. But you are trying to change the game. To devalue human labor until it is worth less than machines so that we all have to kiss ass and slave to the rich. That's what I mean by inverted values. You're trying to create a world of doormen and chauffeurs and flunkies waiting upon the powerful, but those are jobs without dignity or contribution to human welfare.

It would be best if people did some work, and the rewards and skills were more equitably distributed across society. But that is not the society you want. You want a society of slaves and masters.

by Anonymousreply 3811/30/2012

OP, let us know what happens.

by Anonymousreply 3911/30/2012

Wait, wait, wait, R38. I actually agree with you. I do think we need to get back to basics, and contribute meaningfully to society, not sit in little cubes doing things that don't really matter. I am not a fan of slaves for the rich, which is what most must resort to.

But I don't think getting back to basics is not working. It's a lot of work, too. Technology is great, but we've tipped the scales and have caused other horrible problems with our technology (like obesity, for just one example). Anyway, this is probably not the thread for that.

by Anonymousreply 4011/30/2012

I lost interest...

by Anonymousreply 4111/30/2012

I guess the real question for the OP is what motivated you to report this woman. Really and honestly, why did you do it?

You indicate that this woman is a miserable human being who intentionally does as little work as posible but is she the only one in your office who does this?

Going forward, are you now going to report everyone who doesn't deliver to your standards or whom you simply dislike?

If her performance is so substandard and her behavior is so flagrant, isn't it likely that her superiors have at least gotten an anecdotal hint of that fact?

If you put yourself in the position of policing other people at work you really can't be putting your complete energy into your own performance can you?

How much time have you spent at work thinking about, talking about with co-workers, complaining and kvetching about this woman and her behavior.

This sounds like garden variety work place tribal bullshit that people indulge in to alleviate the boredom of the daily grind of a secure unchallenging job with nothing really stimulating them except contrived interpersonal conflicts with their fellow employees.

You seem to want it both ways: You want to "feel terrible" and run to a message board to expiate your guilt for incriminating a clearly unhappy woman in the middle of a divorce with already existing financial problems and just years away from retirement.

"Am I a cunt" you opine, essentially asking for a chorus of "oh no, you are the taxpayers joan of arc, making sure that lazy cunts like this woman don't get away with anything"

You want to excuse what you did by claiming guilt and thus proving you are a "good person"

Honestly it sounds like revenge motivated you more than a sense of conscience.

What if you "liked" this woman or she was really really nice to you? Would you still have reported her all other factors being the same?

Further, you have arrogantly decided you know what motivates her to do a shitty job and have decided she needs to be reprimanded or fired.

What did you think would happen when you reported her? How did it feel when you did that? I think that can tell you plenty.

No question this woman has loaded the gun and pointed it at her own head with her bad uprofessional behavior and poor work performance but who asked you to pull the trigger?

I am taking the time to write this because I suspect [hope] that you are relatively young and maybe you really do want to hear an answer that just doesn't flatter you.

You can ease your mind to the extent that if what you are writing is common knowledge and this infraction is sufficient grounds to fire her, it would have happened anyway.

One thing you can rest certain about is whatever drain this woman is on the American taxpayer. She has nothing on the fucking republicans in congress who also fuck off on government time and do fuck all.

by Anonymousreply 4211/30/2012

I worked in state government for five years. I saw so much waste and reported a lot of it. Some of it got corrected, a lot of it got overlooked.

by Anonymousreply 4311/30/2012

r44 = OP

by Anonymousreply 4511/30/2012

"In times of economic depression, never ever fuck with another (frau's) livelihood."

Risky Business pimp, paraphrased.

by Anonymousreply 4611/30/2012

No, of course I don't believe the story. The interesting thing is how many total fucking assholes it brought out on the DL.

Burn her! Taxpayers uber alles! OP should have kicked her ass on his way home!

It's disappointing to find so many cunts here.

by Anonymousreply 4711/30/2012

She's a long term government employee. No way they'll fire the bitch. You have to commit murder to get fired form a government job. They'll slap her on the wrist and tell her to not do it again.

by Anonymousreply 4811/30/2012

I wonder how the replies on this thread would have been different if instead of being a woman, the shiftless coworker was a hot guy.

by Anonymousreply 4911/30/2012

R47 - What would you do in the OP's shoes?

(Me, I came back to see if there was an update. Bullshit or not, I find these "stories" highly entertaining.)

by Anonymousreply 5012/07/2012

You better pray they don't find this thread before the EEO hearing starts.

by Anonymousreply 5112/07/2012

Why didn't you just tell her that you knew she was doing it and you would report her if she continued?

No, scratch that. We all know she'd have found a way to have you fired first.

Carry on.

by Anonymousreply 5212/07/2012

[quote] They never make the connection that it's hard working, tax paying citizens who are paying to coddle these lazy pigs.

You ARE aware, aren't you, that people who work for the government are ALSO taxpayers. They don't get to not pay income and other taxes just because they are employees of local, county, state or federal government.

by Anonymousreply 5312/07/2012

Lmao off at all the prissy bitches jumping up to pat the OP on the back. It's okay OP! I'm a vindictive cunt, too!!

Having said that, she told some people and word got around. It's her own fault, so whatever.

by Anonymousreply 5412/07/2012

update-she wasn't fired, but has to pay back the money for all of those hours she essentially stole. It's coming out of her check each week. I feel better with that, because it means the money will go back where it belongs and she likely will watch her ass from now on. But, she didn't lose her job, so I don't feel quite as guilty. Thanks for sharing your opinions, even those of you who think that I am in fact a cunt!

by Anonymousreply 5512/10/2012

They should have taken the blood she was supposed to give over the years in one session.

by Anonymousreply 5612/11/2012

Nobody likes a rat. Loyalty to people usually should come above loyalty to the law.

by Anonymousreply 5712/11/2012

of course, what OP fails to mention is that he's at work feverishly hitting refresh on the datalounge page to see if anybody has responded and he is therefore also a drain on taxpayer resources because he should be doing his work, not meandering around here. Also, what if his coworker is unable to give blood, like the OP? If that's the case, then I'm glad she's taking the time allotted to go home and saying F YOU to the government agency that is sponsoring the blood drive, which is discriminatory in nature, as gay men are STILL not allowed to donate. I hate having blood drives at work which run totally counter to my workplaces' anti-discrimination policies!

by Anonymousreply 5812/11/2012

OP, you really think I'm too stupid to know who ratted me out? I'm not *that* clueless. I've seen you taking little notes throughout the years of my daily food consumption at work. I've noticed your eye-rolling and bored sighs when I discuss scrapbooking or my adorable children with our coworkers. I've most *definitely* heard your stage whispers of "What, AGAIN?" when I've had to take legitimate sick days to cope with my fibromyalgia disorder. And yes, I've heard you bitching and moaning about me while on one of your eight or nine daily calls to your "partner" or "lover" or whatever the hell you gays call each other these days.

But you have fucked with the WRONG woman this time, you manorexic bitch! I am silently QUAKING with rage as I type this, with you seated almost within swatting range, and plotting my revenge against you each night as I lay approaching slumber. You have violated my boundaries, and vengeance WILL be mine!! (And yes, I know *exactly* where you live. What's with all those "tasteful" black-and-white male nudes, exactly?)

by Anonymousreply 5912/11/2012

Oh God. *Bow*

by Anonymousreply 6012/11/2012

R58, actually, datalounge is blocked at work, as are just about every social website (facebook, twitter, etc), but nice try.

by Anonymousreply 6112/11/2012
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