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Anger as Hungary far-right leader demands lists of Jews

Reuters) - A Hungarian far-right politician urged the government to draw up lists of Jews who pose a "national security risk", stirring outrage among Jewish leaders who saw echoes of fascist policies that led to the Holocaust.

Marton Gyongyosi, a leader of Hungary's third-strongest political party Jobbik, said the list was necessary because of heightened tensions following the brief conflict in Gaza and should include members of parliament.

Opponents have condemned frequent anti-Semitic slurs and tough rhetoric against the Roma minority by Gyongyosi's party as populist point scoring ahead of elections in 2014.

Jobbik has never called publicly for lists of Jews.

"I am a Holocaust survivor," said Gusztav Zoltai, executive director of the Hungarian Jewish Congregations' Association. "For people like me this generates raw fear, even though it is clear that this only serves political ends. This is the shame of Europe, the shame of the world."

Between 500,000 and 600,000 Hungarian Jews died in the Holocaust, according to the Holocaust Memorial Centre in Budapest. According to some accounts, one in three Jews killed in Auschwitz were Hungarian nationals.

Gyongyosi's call came after Foreign Ministry State Secretary Zsolt Nemeth said Budapest favored a peaceful solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as benefiting both Israelis with Hungarian ancestry, Hungarian Jews and Palestinians in Hungary.

Gyongyosi, who leads Jobbik's foreign policy cabinet, told Parliament: "I know how many people with Hungarian ancestry live in Israel, and how many Israeli Jews live in Hungary," according to a video posted on Jobbik's website late on Monday.

"I think such a conflict makes it timely to tally up people of Jewish ancestry who live here, especially in the Hungarian Parliament and the Hungarian government, who, indeed, pose a national security risk to Hungary."

Gyongyosi, 35, is the son of a diplomat who grew up mostly in the Middle East and Asia -- Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan and India -- and whose office is decorated by Iranian and Turkish souvenirs. He graduated with a degree in business and political science from Trinity College in Dublin in 2000.

He worked for four years at the Dublin office of KPMG, then returned to Budapest in 2005. He has been active in Jobbik since 2006 and became their MP in 2010.


The government condemned the remarks.

"The government strictly rejects extremist, racist, anti-Semitic voices of any kind and does everything to suppress such voices," the government spokesman's office said.

Laszlo Kover, the Speaker of parliament, who is from the ruling Fidesz party, also issued a statement on Tuesday in which he called for a tightening of house rules that would allow a sanctioning of such behavior.

Gyongyosi tried to play down his comments on Tuesday, saying he was referring to citizens with dual Israeli-Hungarian citizenship.

"I apologize to my Jewish compatriots for my declarations that could be misunderstood," he said on Jobbik's website.

He later told a news conference that he would not resign and considered the matter "closed," national news agency MTI reported.

Jobbik's anti-Semitic discourse often evokes a centuries-old blood libel - the accusation that Jews used Christians' blood in religious rituals.

"Jobbik has moved from representing medieval superstition (of the blood libel) to openly Nazi ideologies," wrote Slomo Koves, chief rabbi of the Unified Hungarian Jewish Congregation.


Jobbik registered as a political party in 2003, and gained increasing influence as it radicalized gradually, vilifying Jews and the country's 700,000 Roma.

The group gained notoriety after founding the Hungarian Guard, an unarmed vigilante group reminiscent of World War Two-era far-right groups. It entered Parliament at the 2010 elections and holds 44 of 386 seats.

The centre-right government of Prime Minister Viktor Orban has struggled to pull Hungary out of recession as many European countries suffer from an economic crisis.

by Anonymousreply 1911/28/2012


Orban's Fidesz has lost more than a million voters since 2010, even though it is still the strongest political force.

More than half of Hungary's electorate is undecided and having retained its voter base, some analysts say Jobbik could hold the balance of power in the 2014 elections between Fidesz and the fragmented left-wing opposition.

by Anonymousreply 111/27/2012

Not surprising. As a descendant of Hungarian Jews, I've had elderly relatives tell me that they were almost worse than the Germans. And still horrible today.

by Anonymousreply 211/27/2012

Maybe Israel should stop committing genocide and then maybe they won't need on lists of people who are threats to humanity.

by Anonymousreply 311/27/2012

Maybe people should stop wishing genocide for Jews and for Israel to be wiped off the map and the people of Israel won't be so vicious in their means of self-defense. It'll take hundreds of years, but Israel might be willing to do a little forgiving and forgetting. Maybe.

I think an entire continent being complicit in trying to get them exterminated as a people caused a few wounds. Just a guess.

by Anonymousreply 411/27/2012

The Jews are the ones committing genocide. Israel is a terrorist state. Netanyahu should be taken to the Hague.

by Anonymousreply 511/27/2012

[quote]Maybe Israel should stop committing genocide

It isn't. But, hey, thanks for trying to turn this into another I/P thread. We just haven't had enough of those lately.

[quote]and then maybe they won't need on lists of people who are threats to humanity.

He asked for a list of Jews, not a list of Israelis. These are not synonymous terms.

And did you truly think that anti-semitism started with the creation of the modern state of Israel? Because it's at least a millennium older than that.

by Anonymousreply 611/27/2012

The far right is on the move again in Europe - but unlike 60 or 70 years ago we now have continous news and internet to keep tabs on them ...

The Poles also don't like jews or gypsies, I used to work with a very nice Polish woman but she had a blind spot about them, I couldnt listen to her on the subject.

by Anonymousreply 711/27/2012

I find gays that are so radically anti-Israel amusing. I wonder how they'd fare in a "free Palestine?"

And please do not respond with any of that "pinkwashing" bullshit. I am hardly pro-Israel. I quit caring about this never-ending conflict quite a while back.

by Anonymousreply 811/27/2012

Europe is just a huge mess these days.. Eastern Europe is getting more homophobic while Western Europe is getting more and more hateful towards muslims. It's disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 911/27/2012

"The Jews are the ones committing genocide."

I don't agree with that; I think it's said to be inflammatory, but I'll bite.

I think the people of Israel have an Us vs. Them mentality to survival and Palestine refuses to acknowledge Israel's right to exist. So, I think it's safe to say Israelis feel VERY threatened by that and respond with all the force that they can get away with. To quote Chris Rock, I'm not saying it's right, but I understand.

by Anonymousreply 1011/27/2012

R8.. EXCUSE ME??!! Where to start with the brainwashed Americans. The Palestine population deserve their own country. They have been fighting for their own country for centuries. Israel was basically handed their land because it was "religious" with no thoughts to the Palestine population at all.

I have been boycotting Israel and Israeli goods for years. I will never visit that disgusting country until they stop killing innocent people, especially kids. They are guilty of genocide, this is the truth, whether you want to admit it or not. Israel has actually stopped shipments of food and medicine to Gaza. They'd rather see them starve to death. It's disgusting. The Palestine population are fenced in on a tiny area. I can't even begin to say how horrified I am by the Israeli treatment of the Palestines. It's so disgusting.

Then again.. I wouldn't expect Americans to understand. I'm a leftie.. and I mean leftie. I vote for the Communist Party in my country.

by Anonymousreply 1111/27/2012

R10.. do you think it's right of the Israelis to build settlements on Palestine land just to provoke them? They fucking ask for it by their treatment of the Palestine population. I don't even understand how the Americans can excuse Israel's attack on them. America is clearly pro-Israel. I just wish Americans weren't as brainwashed by the media. If you actually read about the conflict you'd see that the Palestine population has a case, and that the state of Israel has treated them like shit for years.

by Anonymousreply 1211/27/2012

And Palestine has done so much to compromise and reach a resolution right R12?

by Anonymousreply 1311/28/2012

[quote]The Palestine population deserve their own country.

They were offered a country of their own in 1948. They refused. It took decades even to get them to negotiate. Olmert made a very generous offer during his term in office; it included sharing Jerusalem and land swaps. Abbas couldn't be bothered even to respond to Olmert's offer.

[quote]They have been fighting for their own country for centuries

That is some of the most ignorant bullshit I've ever read on Datalounge, and I've seen some idiotic things posted in these squabbles. And, even if it were true, they refused their own country in 1948.

by Anonymousreply 1411/28/2012

[quote] Israel was basically handed their land because it was "religious" with no thoughts to the Palestine population at all.

More ignorant bullshit. Zionists started returning to the region in the late 1800s. The first Zionist settlement still standing is Petah Tikva, which was founded in 1878, during the Ottoman Empire period. The Zionists bought the land they settled, paying high prices for shitty land. They developed that land and brought industry to a desolate region. They were working for their own country decades before the Palestinian Mandate was set up by the League of Nations. They kept buying and settling land over the decades. When the Arabs started attacking them, they organized and fought back. No one handed the country to the Zionists. They built it, they fought for it, and they aren't leaving.

by Anonymousreply 1511/28/2012

I love these threads. Like putting cookies out for roaches. The best part is that it's forever, as long as there is at least one Jew still alive.

by Anonymousreply 1611/28/2012

[quote]They'd rather see them starve to death. It's disgusting.

The Palestinians in Gaza aren't starving. This was lying propaganda, which you swallowed hook, line and sinker, and won't let go of even though it has been disproved repeatedly on Datalounge. Even during the last round of fighting, even during Operation Cast Lead, Israel was sending trucks of food through the crossings.

However, for the sake of argument, let's assume you're right, and Palestinians are starving. Why, then, don't they go to this hotel and order dinner?

by Anonymousreply 1711/28/2012

If people in Gaza are starving, perhaps they should go to the mall and buy some.

by Anonymousreply 1811/28/2012

"The best part is that it's forever, as long as there is at least one Jew still alive."

Yup and you're stuck with them and half-breeds like myself. Sucks to be you.

by Anonymousreply 1911/28/2012
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