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"The Women"

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by Dellareply 9505/06/2014

I'm so glad you enjoy my movie, Della!

by Dellareply 111/25/2012

The best thing about being single is you can spread out in bed like a swastika!

by Dellareply 211/25/2012

Dyslexic Della: TMC is The Movie Channel. "The Women" is on TCM.

by Dellareply 311/25/2012

ooops. I stand corrected,r3.

Will hats ever come back?

by Dellareply 411/25/2012

Does anyone still wear a hat?

by Dellareply 511/25/2012

Its the hats that make them all seem so dated. When they are in their houses without the hats (and gloves) they all look fairly modern in dress.

by Dellareply 611/25/2012

Who is the costume designer? I missed the opening credits.

by Dellareply 711/25/2012


by Dellareply 811/25/2012

Adrian? Good.

I'm glad it wasn't Orry-Kelly. He's my favorite Hollywood costume designer and I'm relieved to know these lesser designs aren't his.

Perhaps Adrian deliberately went lower drawer in service of the story.

by Dellareply 911/25/2012

Oh l'amour l'amour!

by Dellareply 1011/25/2012

When I worked retail I liked to say "Might I be of assistance?" just like Joan Crawford.

by Dellareply 1111/25/2012

The fashion show -- in color -- in the middle is so random and unnecessary.

by Dellareply 1211/25/2012

R11 did you rub perfume in the crook of your elbow for married men to smell?

When colour was more of a novelty the fashion show must have had a Wizard of Oz effect but it does look silly.

by Dellareply 1311/25/2012

The man who can explain how he loves his wife and also loves the other woman is gonna get that prize they hand out every year in Sweden...

by Dellareply 1411/25/2012

I like the random fashion show!!

by Dellareply 1511/25/2012

Our new one piece lace foundation garment! Zips up the back and no bones!

by Dellareply 1611/25/2012


by Dellareply 1711/25/2012

R17 Did you prefer the Meg Ryan/Debra Messing version?

by Dellareply 1811/25/2012

"You should have licked that girl where she licked you . . .".

by Dellareply 1911/25/2012

Genius film.

by Dellareply 2011/25/2012

It frightens me when you mention that, R18.

by Dellareply 2111/25/2012

"Really, something ought to be done to protect New York!"

by Dellareply 2211/25/2012

And "The Wizard of Oz" starts in a few minutes, and "Liz and Dick" later.

WTF is it a gay holiday and nobody told me?

by Dellareply 2311/25/2012

Apparently, Adrian was pushed by MGM to go to the limits with not only the fashion show but with all of the costumes in the hopes of predicting the latest Paris trends by the time the film appeared.

Unfortunately, Hitler and the Occupation of Paris got in the way of the latest Paris trends and Adrian looked like a fool.

by Dellareply 2411/25/2012

I know it's popular with gays and all, but it was really Norma Shearer at her worst - mannered and hammy, using all of her old tricks from her silent films days and talking at the same time. Exhausting. Joan Fontaine went to school with Jennifer Jones - Our Lady of Fluttery Mannerisms.

by Dellareply 2511/25/2012

Della, with which of the women do you most closely identify and why?

by Dellareply 2611/25/2012

R18 - the Norma Shearer version. I started a Netflix account and specifically got it as one of my first movies. I thought I should catch up on the movies that people kept mentioning here. (I don't get TCM in my cable package.)

Sorry, but I hated it.

Thankfully the other movie I got was "Outrage". That was a good movie.

by Dellareply 2711/25/2012

"L'amour! L'amour!" Indeed. L'amour le merrier!

by Dellareply 2811/25/2012

LOL, r23!

by Dellareply 2911/25/2012

Get me a bromide...!

...And put some gin in it!!!

by Dellareply 3011/25/2012

L'amour, l'amour, that's French for love.

Give me a bromide - and put some gin in it!

by Dellareply 3111/25/2012

This is a classic. Yes, Shearer and Fontaine and the actress who played little Mary are unberarable at times with their overacting. But the dialogue is outstanding, Russell and Goddard are great, and it all in all great fun.

by Dellareply 3211/25/2012

I wish I had known this was on. I would have made Pancakes Barbara!

by Dellareply 3311/25/2012

I had forgotten that Joan Fontaine was in The Women. I finally watched Suspicion tonight for the first time and loved it.

by Dellareply 3411/25/2012

Phyllis Povah, who plays the perennially pregnant Mrs. Phelps (Edith) Potter, was the one holdover from the original Broadway cast. I'm sure Cukor and Metro knew they could never cast that rather unflattering (but delectable) role with anyone in their stable of stars.

Arlene Francis was also in the Broadway cast playing several small roles but she didn't make it to Hollywood.

by Dellareply 3511/25/2012

The best line from the original Clare Booth Luce script for Broadway was cut. It was said by Sylvia (Roz Russell) when she looked at Crystal (Joan Crawford) as she emerged from her bath tub:

"Why Crystal, I always assumed you were a natural blonde!"

And it wasn't cut because Crawford was a brunette.

by Dellareply 3611/25/2012

I agree with R25 about Shearer, she was really bad in this. Crawford, on the other hand, was at her best.

by Dellareply 3711/25/2012

Joan Crawford was delicious in this.

by Dellareply 3811/25/2012

Crawford is so wonderful that she more than makes up for Shearer's mannered nobility. Of course Stephen was looking for fun after ten years of you! I don't mind Fontaine's fluttery qualities because it works for her dippy ding-a-ling character.

Crawford, Russell, Goddard and La Countess are more than enough to make it work.


by Dellareply 3911/26/2012

With Marjorie Main! Also from the stage production.

by Dellareply 4011/26/2012

What is the name of the actress who plays Nancy, the author who is invited to Mary's tea party, says: I ought to go to you for my plots,then Nuts? and then disappears until the final scene?

She must have been somewhat important because she is seen in group photo ops of all the picture's stars.

by Dellareply 4111/26/2012

r26- a combination of the gossipy, bean-spilling manicurist and the manager of the gown store where wife and the "other woman" come face-to-face.

Yes, Joan Crawford's Crystal is the most interesting character here.

by Dellareply 4211/26/2012

Forgot to add, r26, I really don't identify with any of the main characters here.

I do, however, know these types of women in real life. I admire their frautastic ability to do what it takes to obtain and maintain their "positions"; I just don't have those survival skills.

by Dellareply 4311/26/2012

I think it is one the funniest wittiest films ever made, still funny and relevant over 70 years later!.

by Dellareply 4411/26/2012

Well, it was my birthday, R23!

by Dellareply 4511/26/2012

Jungle Red.

by Dellareply 4611/26/2012

The remake with Jada Pinkett Smith and Bette Midler is much better than the original.

by Dellareply 4711/26/2012

Sure, R47. What u smokin'?

by Dellareply 4811/26/2012

R41 that is Florence Nash who did some work on Broadway and just 3 movies.

She may look familiar to some of us because she is the sister of Mary Nash who played the evil Fraulein Rottenmeier in Shirley Temple's HEIDI and the mother of Katharine Hepburn in THE PHILADELPHIA STORY.

There is a definite family resemblance. I love the way she lit and held her cigarette in her first scene in THE WOMEN.

by Dellareply 4911/26/2012

[quote]evil Fraulein Rottenmeier

I think this is the first time I've seen a DL reference to "Fraulein". I'm so used to "Frau."

by Dellareply 5011/26/2012

I like Dennie Moore as Olga, who sets the whole plot in motion

by Dellareply 5111/26/2012

Thanks r49. Florence Nash as the lady author is clearly meant to be a lesbian to those viewers who are not blind.

Is she even more overtly written as a lesbian in the play?

by Dellareply 5211/26/2012

Also starring Hedda Hopper as gossip columnist Dolly dePyster.

Was Hedda actually a columnist in real life by then?

by Dellareply 5311/26/2012

"I had a rather gloomy letter from home today. My little sister, she's not feeling very well."

"What's the matter with her? She gotta hangover?"

by Dellareply 5407/03/2013

"One more treatment and she won't have a hair left on her head!" "Well, she's got plenty on her arms, baby!"

by Dellareply 5507/03/2013

Why that old gasoline truck! She's 60 if she's a minute!

by Dellareply 5607/06/2013

Will I find anything in that icebox of yours? Yeah, cobwebs and a bottle of gin!

by Dellareply 5707/06/2013

She thinks that because Lulu's dark, he won't see her!

by Dellareply 5807/06/2013

Listen, so help me I'm gonna slug you.

by Dellareply 5907/06/2013

Get me a bromine. And put some gin in it!!

by Dellareply 6007/07/2013

She's content to be what she is. A women. And what are we? Females.

by Dellareply 6107/07/2013

This is probably one of Crawford's best performances ever. And she had to lobby hard to get the part.

by Dellareply 6207/07/2013

I admire the way Norma Shearer chomps on a celery stalk at her luncheon party. Not only does it show us how Mary retains her girlish figure by subsisting on raw vegetables while her guests fatten themselves on salted nuts and cream cheese sandwiches, it also allows her to make the life-like gesture of tucking a morsel of half-chewed food to one side of her mouth as she speaks the line, "Black's . . . Olga . . . Jungle Red . . . I'll remember."

The dramatic irony is that this utterly informal pronouncement foreshadows the arrival (via Olga) of dead-serious news that she will truly never forget.

by Dellareply 6307/07/2013

I always assumed that by the time Shearer made this film (just a few years before she retired) she knew she was parodying her "Great Lady" persona and just went along with the fun.

by Dellareply 6407/07/2013

Cheap Chinese embroidery!

by Dellareply 6507/07/2013

And by the time Joan Fontaine was cast in The Women, she'd been hanging around Hollywood for several years without any great success as a leading lady so she seemed to feel it safe to play the silly fluttery ding-a-ling.

Little did she know that Rebecca, Suspicion and an Oscar were only a year or two away.

by Dellareply 6607/07/2013

"There's a name for you cunts, but it isn't used outside of a kennel."

by Dellareply 6707/07/2013

Though anachronistically funny, that movie gives me a headache. Not much has changed, but these womens' entire lives revolve around a man approving of them. When his adoration appears to be flagging, they collapse in a puddle of tears.

Is it "l'amour"- or codependence?

by Dellareply 6807/07/2013

[R63] Your observation was right on, except for Mary's line. It was "Sidney's, Olga, Jungle Red. I'll remember". Not "Black's". That was the store where Krystal Allen worked. Mary never went in there. But Sylvia and Edith went in there to snoop on Krystal. Sidney's was the salon where Olga worked.

by Dellareply 6907/10/2013

And another thing! I think this bathroom is perfectly ridiculous! Good night, Krystal!

by Dellareply 7007/14/2013

[quote]Not much has changed, but these womens' entire lives revolve around a man approving of them.

For what it's worth, the unseen men all seem determined to be attached to a woman as well. Stephen Haines marries Crystal the minute he's divorced from Mary and he returns to Mary when his marriage to Crystal falls apart.

Howard Fowler buys off Sylvia to be with Miriam "Vanities" Aarons (a sly reference to Earl Carroll's Vanities, a stage show that featured topless women.) Buck Winston lives off The Countess de Lave but sees Crystal on the side. Peggy's husband seems as tearfully dependent on her as she is on him. Edith's husband can't stop impregnating her. The Men seem no less needy than The Women.

by Dellareply 7107/14/2013

Oh, I wouldn't think that one suggested your personality at all. It's called "Oomph."

by Dellareply 7207/14/2013

No one ever answered the question at R53 about Hedda Hopper. Yes, Hopper's gossip column debuted on Valentine's Day, 1938. Although she made over 100 movies, she was never a very good actress. She tended to over-do, including in THE WOMEN which started filming a full year after Hopper began her notorious career in print.

by Dellareply 7307/14/2013

Airing on TCM December 28th

by Dellareply 7412/27/2013

"Living alone has its compensations! Heaven knows it's marvelous being able to spread out in bed like a swastika!"

by Dellareply 7512/27/2013

R74, you're wrong- it airs on TCM December 29th, not the 28th.

by Dellareply 7612/27/2013

The cast

by Dellareply 7712/28/2013

Is that Stephen Haines in the middle there?

by Dellareply 7812/29/2013

Joan Crawford said that behind the scenes it was a like a fucking zoo at times. If you let your guard down one single minute, you'd be eaten alive. Hilarious! George Cukor ran the set like a boot camp. He kept the cast occupied at all times.

by Dellareply 7912/29/2013

The supporting cast was just as delicious as the main stars. Oh, the dialog!

Middle Aged Matron: "Men. That's all they want!"

Lingerie Model: "What else have we got to give?"

House Servant: "My boyfriend says I have the face of Jeanette MacDonald"

Cook: "Did he see your legs?"

Brilliantly hilarious!

by Dellareply 8012/29/2013

Most of the dialog was from the Clair Luce play but much of it was written by Anita Loos, often right on the set.

by Dellareply 8112/29/2013

If Jean Harlow had lived, she would have been perfect as Crystal, much better than Joan Crawford.

by Dellareply 8212/29/2013

Pour Flora another little drrrrinky...

L'amour l'amour, toujours l'amour...

Someone get me a bromide...and put some gin in it!

I bet you married yours for character...and where did it get you? On the train to Reno!

by Dellareply 8312/29/2013

It's on now!

by Dellareply 8401/16/2014

Oh shit. Not goddamn Pancakes Barbara again. Mary is such a predictable bitch. No wonder Stephen left her.

by Dellareply 8501/16/2014

R82 is right.

by Dellareply 8601/17/2014

I can't believe you all hated Norma. She was totally doing a send up of her self and her goody-goody image.

An image she was okay with messing with cause she knew she was leaving films.

Please don't judge her acting by this one film. Check her out in "Private Lives" or "The Divorcee."

by Dellareply 8701/17/2014

Who was the bigger whore: Crystal Allen or Cristal Conners?

by Dellareply 8801/17/2014

It's BACK! 10PM Eastern/7PM Pacific tonight! (Preceded by the currently showing dyke classic "The Children's Hour.")

by Dellareply 8905/06/2014

Did the original play include the fashion show sequence? I saw a local small theater production of it a few years ago, and they did include it, but I wondered if that was because they were trying to showcase the fact that the costume guy had recently found a treasure trove of '30s fashions.

by Dellareply 9005/06/2014

Well, if Stephen doesn't like anything I'm wearing, I take it off!

by Dellareply 9105/06/2014

I thought this thread was going to be about the Village People song. Disappointing.

by Dellareply 9205/06/2014

Please, Joan Crawford was perfect in this picture. For some reason, she was able to play a gold digging whore very well.

by Dellareply 9305/06/2014

So what was the deal with using those animals to introduce the characters? Can you imagine them doing something like that today -- with the COW, especially?

by Dellareply 9405/06/2014

Did you get her innuendo?!

by Dellareply 9505/06/2014
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