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Did Many Women Born In The Early 1900s Ever Experience An Actual Orgasm?

Considering the ideas surrounding sex, the female body, and a woman's role in society, do you think many women died without ever experiencing an actual orgasm? People weren't even aware of the role of the clitoris. A lot of women just had sex for their husband's pleasure. Women didn't want to be deemed a whore.

So do you think many women, our grandmothers (shudder), never experienced a real orgasm?

Kinda sad.

by Anonymousreply 6811/26/2012

Probably not

by Anonymousreply 111/25/2012

Even today it is a difficult matter. Most men have no idea what to do with a woman's body. Check out the blog Kitty Kitty Korea. The writer is a very active slut that loves sex but even she said, she only came once with a man (and not because of fucking).

by Anonymousreply 211/25/2012

I believe that some of them at least might have experienced that. I think that in each period, pleasure in sex is achievable for both sexes. Even in the early 1900! Conservatism doesn't mean that a woman couldn't enjoy sex, just because she couldn't speak of it. An actual orgasm is about chemistry and not about a reasonable point of view.

by Anonymousreply 311/25/2012

A lot of women didn't even understand masturbation. They couldn't even pleasure themselves.

by Anonymousreply 411/25/2012

Just because everyone was ignorant about biology back then doesn't mean the female orgasm didn't exist. It's true that a lot of straight men suck in bed though. They are only concerned about their own pleasure and developed shitty habits from watching porn at an early age. The worst part is that, to an extent, it's still customary to fake it to preserve his ego. What a fucking waste.

by Anonymousreply 511/25/2012

R4, i believe that masturbation was unavoidable for all even back then. Personally, i find it quite unrealistic for a woman not having touched her body with her hands. Of course many of them had done that and they tried not to realize that...however touching or examining one's body is a form of masturbation, you know. I bet most women were touching their tits or their skin back then and then maybe after that they were feeling guilty. Lol.

by Anonymousreply 611/25/2012

Agree with R5 about women having orgasms all through history but don't agree that "a lot of" straight men suck in bed. I'd say it's all evenly distributed between people who haven't a clue and those who do. I mean, all you have to do is pick up a book. My Dad always told me the woman comes first. I turned out gay. "Don't forget, the other guy comes first," he said. Ha.

by Anonymousreply 711/25/2012

I'll never have an orgasm until I can stick an Oscar inside myself.

Meryl, can I borrow one of your three? PLEASE?

by Anonymousreply 811/25/2012

A lot of straight men do suck in bed, unfortunately, as American men are not really comfortable with women and do not really like them. They are far more interested in computers, porn and televised sports than in the actual women in their lives.

Straight men go to prostitutes the most of any group in the world, which tells you a lot.

I do hope those ladies in their bustles and Gibson Girl hairdos managed to rock their own worlds through a little canny masturbation.

by Anonymousreply 911/25/2012

Most women can't achieve orgasm through vaginal sex, which is what most did in the 1900s. You also have to consider religion at the time. Women were shamed of their sexuality. They were also getting pregnant repeatedly thanks to no birth control. Sex had real consequences for them. I think some women were happy that their husbands ran around on them, as it meant they wouldn't get pregnant. Those Irish-Catholic women were walking clown cars.

Touching your own breasts, skin, etc, even if you consider that masturbation, we're talking about reaching orgasm.

by Anonymousreply 1111/25/2012

Lol R10. Interesting realization. But sorry ladies and gentlemen i have to disappoint you both. According to statistics, most women experience orgasm during masturbation, not with the help of a man or a woman but by themselves. Hehe... Of course that doesn't mean that they don't find pleasure in sex. We're talking about orgasms. A woman can feel pleasure in sex without having an orgasm.

by Anonymousreply 1211/25/2012

Times don't change the homosapien so quickly. Most women realize how to get off with their clit by nature. So, nothing has changed, whether it is spoken about or not. Same ol' same ol'.

by Anonymousreply 1311/25/2012

It's very strange to think that while so many me experience orgasm at least once daily - and have always done so - that so many women might never experience orgasm.

No wonder men and women are so different in some respects. Life with and without orgasms is a very different experience.

by Anonymousreply 1411/25/2012

r9 suffers from Aspergers and is foisting his warped social perceptions on the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 1511/25/2012

A lesbian will experience her best orgasm with a lesbian, a gay man with a gay man and a straight woman with a straight man. But everything starts with the "fingas" as my sainted grandmother used to say.

by Anonymousreply 1611/25/2012

Why don't you go ask them, OP?

by Anonymousreply 1711/25/2012

Of course they did. Everyone is compelled through need to play with their genitals. What? You think if nobody told you, you'd never have an orgasm? Don't be stupid.

by Anonymousreply 1811/25/2012

Rubbing and pressing fingers against certain areas of a woman's body is the key which can open her orgasm's door. Of course she has to have some hunger for sex otherwise...it won't work. Penetration just finishes the job.

by Anonymousreply 1911/25/2012

I did, often, but it usually involved getting young men in the tub, shooting them up with heroin and drowning them.

by Anonymousreply 2011/25/2012

R21 maybe the OP is a woman. Calm down... In Datalounge there are gays, lesbians, bisexual and straight people.

by Anonymousreply 2211/25/2012

Check out 'Hysteria' with Hugh Dancy. It is based on facts and one can't believe how backward men regarding women were.

by Anonymousreply 2311/25/2012

[quote]Why don't you go ask them, OP?

Get the shovel!

by Anonymousreply 2411/25/2012

Project much, R10?

by Anonymousreply 2511/25/2012

You're kidding, right, OP? If not, wow...

Human culture is vast and diverse, and women of all classes have talked and thought about sex long before Puritans, Victiorians, and ... let's face it, Americans ... started having an influence on culture.

There's ample evidence that cultures in Asia, Africa, and Europe in particular knew quite a bit about sex and pleasure, from the wealthy to the streets, there's been quite a bit of debauchery throughout time.

And you don't think any women had an orgasm before 1900?

Come on.

by Anonymousreply 2611/25/2012

Women get as horny as men. Masturbation doesn't need to be taught. It is a natural activity brought on by the body's own need for stimulation. Of course women of that period masturbated and of course they had orgasms.

by Anonymousreply 2711/25/2012

I would pinch my own teats to climax.

by Anonymousreply 2811/25/2012

The Dowager fuck you horny bitch.

ROFL!

by Anonymousreply 2911/25/2012

Do you ever plunge your fingers into your cunny?

by Anonymousreply 3011/25/2012

Surprisingly that dowdy, dumpy little Queen Victoria and Albert supposedly had quite a good sex life, going by her diaries. She reigned during one of the most repressed periods in history where they even had to cover table "limbs" with cloth.

by Anonymousreply 3111/25/2012

R27, We shouldn't generalize, as there's always plenty of variation. Some repressed their feelings and really followed the "close your eyes, lay back, and think of England" motto.

by Anonymousreply 3211/25/2012

OP, women born in the early 1900's came of age as the sexually liberated flappers of the 1920's.

by Anonymousreply 3311/25/2012

The hottest people are the worst candidates for relationships.

by Anonymousreply 3411/25/2012

Definitely maybe R34.

by Anonymousreply 3511/25/2012

[quote]And you don't think any women had an orgasm before 1900?

Someone can't read.

by Anonymousreply 3611/25/2012

It would be entirely possible for a perfectly healthy woman to live and die without an orgasm in those days.

Large families were the rule before birth control, and she'd be likely to share a bed or a room with a sister or two, so she'd have no privacy at all. The only discussion of sex she'd hear would be shaming in church, or older women bemoaning the effects of constant pregnancies. While still a teenager she'd marry a man who had no idea that women could orgasm, and who believed that no "good woman" took any pleasure from sex. And then the pregnancies would start, and the children, and she'd be back to no privacy...

Yes, that's a bit of a worst-case scenario, but it'd be a rare woman who didn't go through some of those things.

by Anonymousreply 3711/25/2012

[quote]And so, why do women and their orgams pre 1900s or otherwise are a subject of interest to a bunch of gay men again?

Yes, let's just talk of male sexuality and then you can have a rant about women being marginalized. Why is what "a bunch of gay men" post of interest to you?

by Anonymousreply 3811/25/2012

Women can't orgasm because they're spending too much time thinking about to fuck with the guy's head.

by Anonymousreply 3911/25/2012

From what I hear of my straight girl friends, it is still a problem today. I think people of the same sex are more biologically and emotionally tailored to meet each other's needs in bed.

by Anonymousreply 4011/25/2012

People jack off, they always have they always will nothing ever changes.

by Anonymousreply 4111/25/2012

[quote]I'm amused that some people would think women started having orgasms after a certain date in time.

"On or about December 1910, human character changed."

by Anonymousreply 4211/25/2012

R41 is correct. At some point during childhood, everyone's hands wander south because it feels good to touch and rub---like scratching an itch. No one has to teach you, it just happens as if by instinct. For a lot of sexually naive girls their first orgasm is an accident that freaks them out. All they know is the touching feels good and then....BAM!

by Anonymousreply 4311/25/2012

OP must be speaking of women born in 1890 or earlier.

by Anonymousreply 4411/25/2012

I'm a woman. I discovered masturbation (and orgasms) at age nine. I was raised Catholic and taught nothing about sex (except that it's something that's only supposed to occur between one man and one woman who have been married in the Catholic church). I had no idea what it was that I was actually doing, and wondered if I was the only person who had ever discovered this ability. All I knew was that having an orgasm felt good and scratched some kind of itch. I didn't really think if it as a "sexual" thing, though on some level I must have known that it was.

Oh yeah, and I was so ignorant about anatomy that I didn't know that the vagina was a specific part of female genitalia. I thought the word "vagina" just referred to the whole area down there. I didn't know that I had a hole that existed to be penetrated. So needless to say, my early childhood masturbation experiences were centered completely around clitoral stimulation.

What R43 and others have said is spot on. It's an instinct. It requires no instruction. No amount of societal repression can completely overcome this simple biological fact. It's possible that it did for a few women, but I'm sure they were by far the exception.

by Anonymousreply 4511/25/2012

Maybe OP is referring to the vaginal orgasm and not the clitoral. Aren't vaginal orgasms the elusive ones that are supposed to be the holy grail of orgasms for most women?

by Anonymousreply 4611/25/2012

Genitals were considered 'dirty' then. Considering that even by 1900 bathing wasn't an every day occurrence for most people, most genitals probably were. I can understand people's repugnance in that respect.

by Anonymousreply 4711/25/2012

"I've found that "a lot" of lesbians try to convert straight women by downing straight men just as is being done in this thread. "Hey baby, let me give you the best/first orgasm you've ever had...a woman knows what a woman wants blah blah blah." Sex for lesbians can be a political act. Why is that? "

I am a lesbian and I've found straight sex can also be a political act. A lot of men believe that you as a woman have not found the right man, that being a lesbian is a waste of time, and that a big you-know-what can turn you straight. Why is that?

And yes, I have lived outside the US a large part of my life and I see that men outside America do pay more attention to women and are more interested in them. America is crawling with dull, unsexy, low-charm straight men. Although our gay brothers seem to like them for reasons of their own...

by Anonymousreply 4811/25/2012

r45 made me chuckle, since my experience was so similar. Except I think I was a bit younger, around 7. I had no idea what I was doing, I didn't connect it to anything "sexual," especially since I had no idea what sex was; and I thought I was the only one in the world who had discovered it. And yes, it's a very strong instinct, but I had been given a lot of privacy to "explore." Girls growing up way back when didn't have that kind of privacy, so I think it was a lot easier for urges to get repressed. I think it's very possible that some hands never had the opportunity to wander "down there."

by Anonymousreply 4911/25/2012

[quote]America is crawling with dull, unsexy, low-charm straight men. Although our gay brothers seem to like them for reasons of their own...

Which makes me think that r10 has never actually read any threads on here if he's never seen gay men "down" women or insist that gay men can give better head/pleasure straight men better than women can.

by Anonymousreply 5011/25/2012

There's no such thing as a female orgasm. Its a myth.

by Anonymousreply 5111/26/2012

[quote]but don't agree that "a lot of" straight men suck in bed. I'd say it's all evenly distributed between people who haven't a clue and those who do. I mean, all you have to do is pick up a book.

And how many straight men do you see running to pick up books to better inform themselves about how to get women off? Most straight men think porn movies are documentaries.

by Anonymousreply 5211/26/2012

My Mamaw fell in love with a corn cob which she rubbed with lard

by Anonymousreply 5311/26/2012

Didn't women do it themselves?

I would say they did before 1975...and today too.

by Anonymousreply 5411/26/2012

R45 - all orgasms are clitoral.

by Anonymousreply 5511/26/2012

Well, Babs Bush did have six children. Surely she must have had an orgasm at least one of the six times that she had sex with Poppy.

by Anonymousreply 5711/26/2012

I would sit on the butter churn.

by Anonymousreply 5811/26/2012

F&F R56. Shouldn't you be in school this morning? Middle school?

R57, having children has nothing to do with an orgasm, Poppy's is the only one necessary for that. Seeing that GHW Bush played around on the side, he must have brought home some tricks to Babs. Hence, she didn't have to do it herself some of the time.

by Anonymousreply 5911/26/2012

Multiple times– if Mark Twain's description in "Letters From The Earth" of women's sexual advantage over men is anything to go by.

by Anonymousreply 6011/26/2012

[quote]My Dad always told me the woman comes first. I turned out gay. "Don't forget, the other guy comes first," he said. Ha.

.........Okie doke.

by Anonymousreply 6111/26/2012

I swear this is the dumbest thread on DL ever. And that's saying something. Have you ever read any literature from the era?

by Anonymousreply 6211/26/2012

No, and I'm pretty pissed. And still waiting.

by Anonymousreply 6311/26/2012

They used to treat hysteria in women in the 19th century by bringing them to orgasm, either manually or with an implement. Look it up.

by Anonymousreply 6411/26/2012

Haha, that's true R64. They even had spas that rich Victorian women would go to for "treatment" of hysteria. They would hook them up to various fuck machines and supposedly that would take care of the problem and make them all compliant. LOL.

by Anonymousreply 6511/26/2012

[quote]I think people of the same sex are more biologically and emotionally tailored to meet each other's needs in bed.

Another reason why life would be so much easier if we were all one sex.

by Anonymousreply 6611/26/2012

Seriously though, what a disgusting and disturbing lesser-spoken-about part of history (diagnosing women with hysteria and "professionally" orgasming them)...

by Anonymousreply 6711/26/2012

So I guess the answer is absolutely, they were getting off not only on medical orders, but they were gotten off by both men (doctors) and women (midwives).

by Anonymousreply 6811/26/2012
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