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by M. Cicconereply 31704/27/2015

Surely Mrs Patrick Campbell will have something to contribute.

by M. Cicconereply 111/23/2012

My grandmother cooks way better than your grandmother. Nah nah nah nah naaaa.

by M. Cicconereply 211/23/2012

Racist motherfuckers, each and every one of them.

by M. Cicconereply 311/23/2012

R4, than I guess R3 may be into something.

by M. Cicconereply 611/23/2012

* then, not than. (Shrugs) I'm tired.

by M. Cicconereply 711/23/2012

There is nothing worse than Italians from NY (westchester county). All racist fucks

by M. Cicconereply 811/23/2012

Canadian Italians are vile. Worked in a construction office full of them. Every morning *Lou Dicosmo* would sit down, phone his wife and give her LOUD hell for not cleaning up to his standards. Went to Design school with *Loisa DeBratto*. She wasn't allowed to go on an over night field trip to Chicago without her brother chaperoning her. She was 22. Worked with a *Diana Varacalli*. She and her sisters had to clean her brother's room and do his laundry while he sat around the house, doing nothing being served like a king by their mother. If you ask an Italian, anywhere in the world what their nationality is, they will always say Italian, not American or Canadian or any other country they were born in. It wasn't until I was in my 30's that I realized that the northern Italians aren't anything like the immigrants we have here from the south. The Calabrians and Sicilians are so proud of their white trash and peasant ways...all of them loud, tacky and vulgar.

by M. Cicconereply 911/23/2012

From my reading and much travel, I have noticed that, taken as a whole, all ethnic/racial/religious groups suck. The key is when you take them as a whole. No group comes off well when you take them as a whole because either they are using their group affiliation to get things that don't belong to them, or they feel safe to misbehave when they are with each other.

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by M. Cicconereply 1111/23/2012

They always talk about the old country, but they are so removed from it that Italian Americans and real Italians have very little in common and real Italians have very little respect for the American version. Also, they need to stop with that 'gravy' shit. It's sauce. No one calls it gravy.

by M. Cicconereply 1211/23/2012

their holes tend to be on the hairy side

by M. Cicconereply 1311/23/2012

"Africa begins in Rome, cara!"

by M. Cicconereply 1511/23/2012

I thank god my mother was not one of those boastful Italian Americans. I think she was embarrassed but most of them and their boorish behavior. I love Italy and Italians but the majority of I-A's are a really crass, ignorant group of people who vote republican.

by M. Cicconereply 1611/23/2012

We sent all our trash and low IQs to America, thanks.

(But you have to admit: some of the men are hot.)

by M. Cicconereply 1711/23/2012

Hurricane Sandy was a tragedy…but most of those large Irish and Italian families moved to those now-storm-ravaged neighborhoods just to avoid minorities …if someone ever sold their shoddy bungalow to a black family (not that they ever would) there would have been HELL to pay.

by M. Cicconereply 1811/23/2012

I live in the "Italian Market" area of philadelphia. It was my first experience with "italian-Americans" when i moved here.

Most are nice, very bourgeois, working-class backgrouns, have a sense of humor about life, and every once in a while a really handsome guy pops up.

by M. Cicconereply 1911/23/2012

Can't you be a good Catholic for fifteen fucking minutes??

by M. Cicconereply 2011/23/2012

Nothing hotter than a closeted guido from the New York Tri-State area. Sorry, but it's true.

Hairy chests, thick cocks with bulbous heads, light musk scents, hot trashy accents.

Not particularly boyfriend material, but one hell of a hot fuck session indeed.

by M. Cicconereply 2111/23/2012

I just ate tons of Chinese food for breakfastt

by M. Cicconereply 2211/23/2012

[quote]We sent all our trash and low IQs to America, thanks.

I'm curious what ethnicity you are. This should be good.

by M. Cicconereply 2411/23/2012

R21 paints an intriguing portrait.

by M. Cicconereply 2511/23/2012


by M. Cicconereply 2611/23/2012

Real men in bed. Italians and Greeks. They make love like men. Big cocks and they know how to use them.

by M. Cicconereply 2711/23/2012

The propaganda above @ r27 brought to you by Tony "Tiny Tot" Falcone on behalf of the Guido Brotherhood.

by M. Cicconereply 2811/23/2012

I think it's 50/50 now in support of Republicans and Democrats with the Italian community, which is ironic due to the fact that Italians were one of the few communities that were major Democratic supporters. The Irish and German were all Republican. Italians were also the biggest union supporters, which got them in a lot of trouble in the early 20th century, with businesses unwilling to hire them. They used to put signs out saying 'No Italians.' Italians were looked at as white in the US in the early 1900s. You'll find a lot of baby boomers who lived on the East coast and went to Catholic Church telling you how the Irish or German nuns would frequently use the term 'dago.' My mother even heard 'dumb dagoes' from the nuns all the time, even 'wop.'

Compared to the Irish Catholic, Italian-Americans were downright liberal when it came to religion. That was another obstacle their community faced. The Irish were not too keen on the Italians.

There are many brilliant Italian-Americans, (and we don't even have to get into what Italy has given the world, it's insane) but the only images the media has ever presented are the dumb Italians, or mobster/mafia families. Chris Christie and Rudy Giuliani don't help matters, even though many people love them, and Scalia is an embarrassment, at least to Dems. All's not lost though -- there's the Cumos, which may be the next family in the White House come 2017. Italians also had the first female House speaker, and the first female Vice President nominee.

The majority of Americans who are in the public eye changed their surnames for fear of bias. Jill Biden is Italian. Jennifer Aniston is partly Italian. Then there's Anne Bancroft, Lea Michelle. The out Italians include, Nancy Pelosi, Kelly Rippa, Joy Behar (even though she's assumed to be Jewish). Penny Marshall and Gary Marshall are Italian, as are two of what film critics deem the best actors of our time: Al Pacino, and Robert De Niro. Henry Mancini, Tony Bennett. The musicians of yesteryear that were Italian is humongous.

Shall we bring up Liza, Vincent, or Patti LuPone? lmao

Italy gave us the Renaissance and the arts that surrounds us, as well as advances in science.

You have to remember that like with other countries, the people who came to America, came from poverty, not to mention oppression.

There's Madonna, Lady Gaga, and Gwen Stefani today.

It's sad that the face of Italian-Americans continues to be that of the Jersey Shore.

by M. Cicconereply 2911/23/2012

Average penis size in Italy: 6,2"

For the US its: 5,1"

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by M. Cicconereply 3111/23/2012

"Shall we bring up Liza, Vincent, or Patti LuPone?"

Let's not bring up the last.

by M. Cicconereply 3211/23/2012

[quote]Joy Behar (even though she's assumed to be Jewish)

Behar was born in an Italian Catholic family, but Italian and Jewish are not mutually exclusive. There are Italian Jews.

by M. Cicconereply 3311/23/2012

It used to be said that Italians were two-faced and you couldn't trust them. And many were also the bullies of the school fags. But on the other hand there have been many who have been pleasant, humorous and all of them are damn good cooks, even the heterosexual men among them. Two things were mentioned in "The Godfather" that I grew up with and thought no one knew about generally. First is the word "mingya" which means dick or cock and is used as a mild swear word (meeskya is a milder corrupted version of it); the second is the phrase, "never marry a dago (or wop), they treat their wives like shit". I heard that from my grandmother, but since I am a male I didn't pay any attention but my sister thought it was amusing. Italians are supposed to be happy-go-lucky types, but I have known quite a few, mostly their womenfolk, who are dour, sour and very short on words, some being complete assholes and bitches; maybe it's because their husbands treat them like shit.

by M. Cicconereply 3411/23/2012

I don't care for them as a whole, but have met individual Italian-Americans who are cool. I find real Italians from Italy way more likable.

I do find them, on the whole, to be more racist towards non-whites than other white ethnic groups.

by M. Cicconereply 3511/23/2012

Rule in Catholic school: Italians are Mama's boys

Also known to have sex with ANYONE when the need arises

by M. Cicconereply 3611/23/2012

I'd love to be fwb with a muscular guido top. So sexy. I would never date one as a bf, but fwb sure. I don't watch Jersey Shore obviously but I'd love to hook up with Pauly D or someone who looked like him. so hot.

by M. Cicconereply 3711/23/2012

I have known some Italian-American men who occasionally (at the right jocular moment) give each other an affectionate smack or punch on the ass. I'm not Italian but have grown up in a town with a large number and have been the recipient of a few ass punches in my day. It left me pleasantly and amusedly puzzled. Generally speaking, although outwardly staunchly maintaining that homosexuals don't exist among Italian men, many Italian men LOVE to get their dicks sucked by other men. It has been said that it could come from a very old tradition of when changing a boy still in diapers, if he gets fussy and upset the person, almost always a woman, changing his diaper will sometimes suck on his little dick to calm him down. I don't know if anyone else has heard this and I know it will cause utter hysteria among the pedo crowd, but I am only the messenger of what I have heard about it.

by M. Cicconereply 3811/23/2012

[quote]I do find them, on the whole, to be more racist towards non-whites than other white ethnic groups.

Which is ironic, because as immigrants they were sometimes regarded by other whites as more or less the same as black people.

by M. Cicconereply 3911/23/2012

r36 is right. There was a short-lived reality show about three 35-year-old Italian guys in the Bronx who still live with their mothers.

by M. Cicconereply 4011/23/2012

Before seeing his face, the open shirt with gold chains tell you he's a low-class Italian.

by M. Cicconereply 4111/23/2012

The supposed racism among Italians could partly be due to the fact that some find themselves and their neighborhoods near black neighborhoods and don't want any "infiltration" from them as Italians generally value a long-standing familial "home and hearth" kind of situation preferably near a neighborhood Catholic Church; blacks are seen as a threat to this. Another idea could be that at one time, despite Italians' being white people, were sometimes characterized as being vaguely tinged with something "nonwhite" about them. Their "racism" could stem from a kind of insistence or self reassurance that they are in no way smacking of something "less than white".

by M. Cicconereply 4211/23/2012

The open shirt means that the guy himself is wide open to any "eventuality" and could mean he'll bed down with another guy with no problem and do whatever kinky thing he cares to do. If they have hairy chests, which many do, I think it's way sexy.

by M. Cicconereply 4311/23/2012

I have heard one of the slang terms for black people is "melanzane" which is dialect for eggplant due to the dark color.

by M. Cicconereply 4411/23/2012

[quote]The Irish and German were all Republican.


by M. Cicconereply 4511/23/2012

r44, I've never heard an actual Italian American call anyone that word outside of a Sopranos episode.

by M. Cicconereply 4711/23/2012

[quote]Another idea could be that at one time, despite Italians' being white people, were sometimes characterized as being vaguely tinged with something "nonwhite" about them. Their "racism" could stem from a kind of insistence or self reassurance that they are in no way smacking of something "less than white".

I mentioned this earlier, but you said it better. Italian immigrants in the South had to deal with the "less than white" thing a lot.

by M. Cicconereply 4811/23/2012

[quote]I have heard one of the slang terms for black people is "melanzane" which is dialect for eggplant due to the dark color.

Usually it's shortened to "moolie."

by M. Cicconereply 4911/23/2012

A LOT of "straight" Italian men will get a bj from a man, but if not, they will almost always get one from a tranny. There are a lot of really hot men in Italy who are into trans.

by M. Cicconereply 5011/23/2012

r21 you are so right! I have gone to bed with a number of men who are of Italian extraction and every one of them will do ANYTHING you want to do with his ass. I knew (and in the biblical sense) one who didn't mind being fucked as hard as I could fuck and he had a nice plump gorgeous ass to do it with. All of them also were married and had kids!! The way r21 describes it, Italian men are out of this world in bed far surpassing Irish or Germans--they just know what to do, that's all. Maybe it's part of that pervy Roman heritage??

by M. Cicconereply 5111/23/2012

As someone mentioned up thread, notorious republicans

by M. Cicconereply 5311/23/2012

They used to be staunch Democrats and a good minority of them still are. A lot of them are "Reagan" Democrats. A good percentage of NY, NJ, CT, RI and MA are of Italian heritage (between 15 and 20 percent) and except for NJ, Obama got over 50 percent of the white vote in those states.

by M. Cicconereply 5411/23/2012

A lot of Italian Americans are getting over their racism and moving back to the Democratic party. These stereotypes about Italians, Irish, German etc etc are slowly fading away as we get deeper into the new millennium. What was once true is being deconstructed.

by M. Cicconereply 5511/23/2012

[quote]I've never heard an actual Italian American call anyone that word outside of a Sopranos episode.

Try living in South Philly and going to school with them. Next to the n-word, if flows quite freely out of their mouths. And none of the ones I knew were mobsters. They were working and middle class.

by M. Cicconereply 5611/23/2012

This thread is making me so horny. I wish there was a porn website devoted to hot guido trash.

by M. Cicconereply 5711/23/2012

There are and were very, very few Italian-Americans that were part of any mob.

by M. Cicconereply 5811/23/2012

"They're racists," said the bigot.

You sound awful, those of you who said something shitty like that about me.

by M. Cicconereply 5911/23/2012

I am half I-A. Yes, I have heard Melanzane used to describe blacks by some. My Italian born grandmother, in addition to being the PLANETS best cook ever, would never, ever and I do mean never tolerate racism. Never. In general, that goes for that entire Italian side of the family. If we parroted the racism of some (No matter the ethnicity) we would be called on the carpet for this behavior. You have to figure, she witnessed segregation and Jim Crow. She saw first hand how inhumane that all was. She raised us right.

The roots of bias by some against blacks might be due to competition for employment in the early 20th century. Remember, both groups were low income and unliked, and had to settle for what they could get. Additionally, I-A communities were usually in low-income, urban areas which also caused friction, esp. in the 1960's.

Finally, I-A's were considered, by some, to be of African descent. Some from the southern part of Italy (and, remember, most immigrants were from the south of Italy) are very swarthy, almost brown, with curly hair and full, wide lips. This added to the discrimination against Italians in this country.

by M. Cicconereply 6011/23/2012

R60 is on to something. The rumors of racial mixing between southern Italy/Sicily and Africa were/are quite widespread. I'm surprised more DNA testing has not been conducted to establish whether or not there are genetic common roots.

by M. Cicconereply 6111/23/2012

One link of Italo-dick so far? Really?

You people are fucking losers!

by M. Cicconereply 6211/23/2012

I'm so sick of the Italians are racist bullshit.. I've heard so much crap come out of many people's mouths (mostly whites but Latinos are catching up in that regard)

Not everyone lives in isolated, insular neighborhoods. I get sick of listening to white people looking to pull rank on other whites. There's so much racism in this country that one ethnic group can't be solely responsible for it. Italians are just loud about their bigotry.. They don't keep it quiet like most white people who hide it behind some smile.

by M. Cicconereply 6311/23/2012

R34, please point me to the section of the 'Godfather' where 'mingya' is used. Thanks.

by M. Cicconereply 6411/23/2012

Why don't we all identify ourselves by our ethnicity so we can all be bigoted to one another.

by M. Cicconereply 6511/23/2012

Shouldn't the thread topic be let's bash italian-americans?

by M. Cicconereply 6611/23/2012

Typical datalounge prejudice.

by M. Cicconereply 6711/23/2012

Sorry R63, but where there is smoke, there is fire...

by M. Cicconereply 6811/23/2012

The heads of household always think everyone in their presence should be eating food. Whoever doesn't have any food is either sick or insulting them.

by M. Cicconereply 6911/23/2012

So what if there's smoke? There's a lot of smoke out there. Look in the mirror. Lots of resentment because you don't like a certain person being your boss. Times have changed.

by M. Cicconereply 7011/23/2012

[quote]There are and were very, very few Italian-Americans that were part of any mob.

Then why are they in every major US and Canadian city?

How'd they dominate organized crime up until about a decade ago, when the Russian mob took over?

Racketeering, gambling, prostitution, robbery, corruption of unions - all done by Italian-American mobsters.

by M. Cicconereply 7111/23/2012

It never ceases to amaze me, the one-dimensional mentality of some posters on DL. They have no idea what 98% of Italian Americans are like. They are informed solely by the tv and Hollywood stereotypes. As they are with jews, blacks, latinos, asians, etc. It is the same mentality that some straight people have about gays. To them, we're all super faggy drag queens, swinging from the chandeliers, ready to suck any available dirty dick, night and day. No wonder. What goes around comes around, right?

by M. Cicconereply 7211/23/2012

"The Fanelli Boys" was a great sitcom about four Italian guys who still live at home in Brooklyn with their mother. It aired on NBC as part of its 1990-91 prime time schedule. I loved it - especially Christopher Meloni as one of the boys.

Following the death of her husband, Theresa Fanelli (Ann Morgan Guilbert) is prepared to sell the family business (a funeral home) to her son Anthony (Ned Eisenberg) and move from Brooklyn to Florida. Thwarting her plans are the arrival of her younger sons Ronnie (Andy Hirsch), who had just dropped out of school, and Frankie (Chris Meloni), whose engagement has just been broken.

Another brother, the slightly disreputable Dom (Joe Pantoliano), is between hustles. Anthony learns that the funeral home is about $25,000 in debt, which he had not counted on. Soon, all of the boys are back at home with their mom, just like the old days.

Advising the family, somewhat dubiously, is Theresa's brother, a Catholic priest known as "Father Angelo" (Richard Libertini).

by M. Cicconereply 7311/23/2012

Ok r71, name your ethnic background! Lets get a chance to bash you! I can probably guess what you are since your pretentiousness is obvious.

by M. Cicconereply 7411/23/2012

They're not the best looking people, particularly the women. On occasion, some of the men can be quite attractive but pale in comparison to almost every ethnic group.

Paranoia is their biggest problem. In America, they're outsiders. They always think everyone is looking at them or trying to eavesdrop on their conversations. Nothing is worse than when a female is considered attractive in their Italian family and then have to compete with other women for attention and men. They are so nasty in their envy and don't know better than to conceal their true feelings of inadequacy. Embarrassed for them. They usually cause all kinds of competitive drama in the workplace as well. Nose jobs all around for everyone!

by M. Cicconereply 7511/23/2012

R75, you're an idiot.

by M. Cicconereply 7611/23/2012

I'm not Italian-American, R74. Thank GOD!!

by M. Cicconereply 7711/23/2012

That's obvious. Name what you are? Coward? Yes you are!

by M. Cicconereply 7811/23/2012

Italians, Irish and Jews are racist b/c their grandparents were discriminated against. See the Fox talking head lineup.

by M. Cicconereply 7911/23/2012

Just like blacks and Latinos?

by M. Cicconereply 8011/23/2012

Just like I thought. A coward and a bigot!

by M. Cicconereply 8211/23/2012

But not Italian...LOL.

by M. Cicconereply 8311/23/2012

I had such a crush on an Italian guy in college. He wasn't your typical Raoul Bova stud. He was short and stocky, with a nose shaped like a bong. But he was still sexy as all hell, and with a shy way of shrugging his shoulders and tilting his head into his shoulder that drove me nuts nuts nuts. Didn't end well, I'm afraid.

by M. Cicconereply 8411/23/2012

For the person talking about possible racial mixing in Sicily over the years, that is a rumor, but what is definitely confirmed is that there is some Turkish/Italian mixing. The Ottoman Empire for a time took over a good chunk of Europe, including most of Italy.

and while we're on Italian Americans, should we bring up the Giudices, the Manzos and Lauritas? lol

by M. Cicconereply 8511/23/2012

You're either crazy or misinformed, r85. The Ottomans only held Otranto Italy for a brief time. A small area on the bootheal is not most of Italy.

by M. Cicconereply 8611/23/2012

Chicken cutlet. Lots and lots of chicken cutlet.

by M. Cicconereply 8711/23/2012

r64, I think it is actually in Godfather II where Vito Corleone (as a young man before getting mixed up in mob shenanigans) and what's his name, I forget, break into an apartment and steal some carpeting. As what's his name tries to pick the lock, at first he fails and says "MIIINGYA", then he succeeds if I recall correctly--I haven't seen it in some time and I've slept since then but I hope this helps.

by M. Cicconereply 8911/24/2012

R88, jerked off to those images MANY times in my youth

by M. Cicconereply 9011/24/2012

Mingya is about the best way I can spell it phonetically r91 with the accent on the "ming". If you only heard your mother speaking Italian it depends on two things, first, what dialect did she speak and second, unless your mother was "liberally minded" in saying certain words around her offspring (you), I tend to doubt that you would hear the word mingya spring from her lips easily. It's sort of like MEAN-gyuh. As a non-Italian who grew up around "guineas", I'm surprised I am relating tidbits about the slang of your mother's language.

by M. Cicconereply 9311/24/2012

r53, in non Sicilian, Southern Italian dialect melanzana was pronounced like Mallen John. I thought that all blacks were related to the John family till I was a teenager.

When they were talking about an eggplant, the word they used was pronounced ka-GOOTS.

When an uncle called me stupid he would call me ka-GOOTS or chew-beh-LEEN, (eggplant or onion). When I was being a cocky dick, they'd call me a cheh-DROOL (cucumber, for obvious reasons).

Vegetable names were never racist. Simply descriptive. The racist word for blacks was pronounced toot-TSON [long O] [tutzzon like] But even that was more like a generic negro.

by M. Cicconereply 9411/24/2012

Oops, that should have been r52 above.

by M. Cicconereply 9511/24/2012

I am liberal, Democrat, American, Italian, Openly Gay, and get uncomfortable when people whisper the n-word showing their ignorance.

When people ask what ethnicity I am, I always say American because I was born here, not in Italy.

Sorry I don't fit your stereotype. Although, I do have the hair thing going on.

And now its time for manscaping.

by M. Cicconereply 9611/24/2012

I might buy the idea, r29, that Germans have a large number of republicans among them (the Dakotas, Nebraska and Kansas are heavily German and republican, for example) but I think the idea of the Irish being republican is probably generally not true, even among the wealthy of them as one poster pointed out with the Kennedys. You may perhaps be confusing ronnie reegin's being a republican with more of the Irish being so. Franklin Roosevelt's early supporters and promoters at Tammany Hall were almost all Irish to a man. Much of the Democratic vote in Massachusetts is the Irish vote. Even ronnie himself proclaimed once that he was a "Roosevelt" Democrat and apparently "saw the light" when he went to Hollywood. I really think reagan was some kind of idiot savant whose only offering was the ability to repeat lines made up in advance. The republicans found him to be useful for their ends and purposes partly for this "polly parrot" ability as did the B movie producers and directors. The rest, as they say, is history. But, since I am digressing I should probably say that most Italian-Americans I've known have been Democrats, the only republican I knew among them was a barber in the town I am from and he was always being defensive about it as if out of bad habit.

by M. Cicconereply 9711/24/2012

Thanks, r94. I googled "minghia" and it's Sicilian for "cock" and my family isn't Sicilian, though we are from the South.

"Ka-goots" means squash, not eggplant. Google "cucuzza" or see the link. This one you can trust me on. My mother grew these suckers.

Onion is "cipole" (chee-pol'-ay). "Chew-beh-LEEN" are "cipolline" or little onions. You can find them in the stores these days. Yeah, Ma grew these too.

by M. Cicconereply 9811/24/2012

If you think Italians are like what you see on screen, then you are about as bright as the guy on the other end of this phone...

by M. Cicconereply 9911/24/2012

ps--Ronald Reagan, aside from his being a great parrot was also one of the luckiest men God ever blew breath into, alot just fell into his lap including being employed as a sports announcer at a midwest radio station at the height of the Depression and the acting jobs also coming his way once he hit town in Hollywood. I have heard though that he slept with the right GUYS to promote his acting career. The country hit new lows when he was supposedly "voted" into office. R98, I'm getting the vibe, just from reading your post, that you might be good in bed.

by M. Cicconereply 10011/24/2012

I had to work with a Guy right off the boat. He married the bosses daughter for money. They brought him to this country and gave him a job. Fixed his rotten teeth, bought him an expensive house, and pretty much gave him every thing. He bitched and whined about everything. Got drunk at lunch every day and would only show up when he had to. Constantly bragged about how Italy was so much better than the US. Also the worst liar I have ever run into.

On the morning of 9/11 he started making remarks about the US. I had to be separated from this fuck because I wanted to punch the hell out of him. When Italy joined in to fight he was mouthing off again. I told him that Italy was only invited because somebody had to fix lunch for the troops. Pissed him off.

by M. Cicconereply 10111/24/2012

[r94] you fucking idiot it's MINCHIA not minghia. Cippola ... cuccuzz'

You are piling ignorance on ignorance

Your mother gave birth to a cretin

All possibilities of making this thread somewhat intelligent have been flushed down the toiler ...

by M. Cicconereply 10211/24/2012

Do you need a drink, sex or are you off your meds (or rocker) r102 or all three? It's just a friendly thread on DL, nobody's on trial here.

by M. Cicconereply 10311/24/2012

OK, I have an Italian language challenge for any of you who care to solve it. A guy I used to work with whose parents came from Calabria (Bari--St. Nicholas church, the church of Santa Claus) told me his mother would often scold him after loudly belching, especially at the table, with the words: "Porco animale scifozo manganzo di gallateo"---I know I probably have the spelling wrong because I spelled it roughly how he said it. Anyway, I hope someone can make sense of it, translate it and provide a correct spelling of the words.

BTW, I like the way Italians tend to reject the Santa Claus (despite St. Nicholas Church)/Father Christmas idea and instead have La Befana.

by M. Cicconereply 10411/24/2012

Does anybody have a good, simple Italian recipe for eggplant that is NOT breaded and fried and does not include tomatoes in the recipe? I should say that stir frying in olive oil is ok, but I can't easily eat tomatoes due to acid reflux but like eggplant. All the references to melanzane here inspired me to ask.

by M. Cicconereply 10511/24/2012

Eggplant has almost no nutritional value. Go with the Chicken Paccata. Hey at least its not breaded.

by M. Cicconereply 10611/24/2012

[quote]"Porco animale scifozo manganzo di gallateo"

Disgusting pig-animal lacking good breeding

by M. Cicconereply 10711/24/2012

Peel, cut into 1/4 inch slices, flour the slices, dip in beaten egg and then fry in olive oil. Drain on paper towels. Salt and pepper immediately.

by M. Cicconereply 10811/24/2012

Re: "Porco animale scifozo"

In correct Italian it would be: "porco, animale, schifoso".

The best way to translate it would be: You're a pig, an animal, you're disgusting.

Re: "manganzo di gallateo"

In correct Italian it would be: "mancanza di galateo".

An Italian would most likely say "Che mancanza di galateo!"

Basically: "You are without manners".

The word "galateo" comes from the name of an Italian Bishop of the 1500s: Galeazzo Florimonte.

He inspired what was probably the world's first book of etiquette "Il Galateo overo de' costumi".

by M. Cicconereply 10911/24/2012

R21 my fuck bud

by M. Cicconereply 11011/24/2012

R12 -- Yeah, that "gravy" shit! WTF?!

A short, blond Sicilian guy I knew from New Orleans was the first Italian I knew who called marinara sauce gravy, except he was always going on about his mom's "red gravy."

I asked what that was and he said I probably know it as tomato sauce but they call it "red gravy."

by M. Cicconereply 11111/24/2012

Was he hung with uncut massive manmeat that would make a Dominican whimper and run away, r111?

by M. Cicconereply 11211/24/2012

You people whine too much.

by M. Cicconereply 11311/24/2012

Poor you.

by M. Cicconereply 11411/24/2012

I have no idea about his dick, R112.

I always marveled at his dark blond hair.

How in hell did he get light hair being Sicilian, I asked him, and he said not all his ancestors were Italians.

His parents were though, he said. Everyone in his family except him had black hair.

I just thought to myself, "Hmmmmm …."

by M. Cicconereply 11511/24/2012

Gravy has meat. Sauce does not. End of Story.

by M. Cicconereply 11611/24/2012

Years ago I was house shopping. My agent brought me into little Italy because he thought the house was showing me had great potential. The owner of the house was present. Upon entering I noticed all the walls and ceilings were painted high gloss enamel. I asked the home owner why and he looked at me like was retarded. After a great dramatic pause, he said: "Its so my wife can wash them of course".

Needless to say, they were right off the boat.

by M. Cicconereply 11711/24/2012

Do Italian guys have big cocks?

by M. Cicconereply 11811/24/2012

r118, only Italian Gypsies who are half black and Jewish have big caks.

by M. Cicconereply 11911/24/2012

most Italian-Americans I know have decent dicks. Not huge, on the thick side, and perfectly straight...heads match the thickness. Above average in length but not "huge"

by M. Cicconereply 12011/24/2012

I've known several red haired Sicilians.

by M. Cicconereply 12111/24/2012

"their holes tend to be on the hairy side"

What about the men?

by M. Cicconereply 12211/24/2012

I've had a love affair with Italian American men since I was 10 and had a boyfriend with a last name that ended in a vowel. Then, when I was 17, I fell in love with an Italian guy from Brooklyn who broke my heart.

A few years ago, I went to Italy and found that gayness is really hidden and subterranean. Right across the street from the Coliseum is a gay bar. As I walked past it I saw a little graffiti on the wall, so small I had to get up close to read it. It said: "Gay = Maladia." I have a feeling they keep a can of paint inside gay bars to clean up after these vandals.

by M. Cicconereply 12311/24/2012

R 119 Gypsies are not half Jewish and Black they are originally from India.

The Gravy and sauce debate. A meat sauce is Italian is ragu' whereas a tomato sauce is salsa like in Spanish. Italian Americans translate ragu' into gravy and salsa into sauce.

Eggplant has great nutritional value. It is an anti-cancer effect as does many black colored foods do.

Italian guys are hung. Most of them are not that tall but they somehow manage to carry a third leg somehow.

by M. Cicconereply 12411/24/2012

Re the gravy/sauce discussion, isn't it true that the well known (in the USA) spaghetti and meatballs dish is far less well known in Italy because it was actually developed more by Italian-Americans over here? I have read that Italians in Italy generally don't consume a great deal of meat and what they do have is used more as a kind of flavoring for a dish than it being the centerpiece and that this attitude toward meat goes back to the Romans. Also I have heard and read that bread is not eaten much during a pasta course (which is often the first? course with something else to follow--pasta readies the stomach for it) as pasta is considered a kind of bread to begin with, how accurate is that? So, the garlic bread with pasta is also more of an American thing than Italian.

by M. Cicconereply 12511/24/2012

The gravy/sauce thing has also to be taken in context.

The cuisine of Italy revolutionized the American table but when Italians came here American cooking was a simple disaster.

Coming from a complex and rich cuisine where there are many words for something, to a cuisine where there were only two woods for "something poured over another food" and you understand why "gravy" was chosen by some.

If they kept their original names, we would have been using the words ragu and marinara for much longer a time.

by M. Cicconereply 12611/24/2012

r115, Sicily has had numerous invaders and peoples settling there, among them, during the medieval period, were the Normans, of the similar crowd who invaded England about the same time (1066) the Normans were Norsemen or Vikings who originally under Rollo the Viking in 911 was granted permission by the French king (he probably didn't have all that much choice) to settle in what is now Normandy which had recently been depopulated due to an epidemic of some sort. Since we all know that Vikings are the ancestors of the generally blond Scandinavians it follows that some Sicilians have blond/red hair and blue eyes. Frank Sinatra, who I think was of Sicilian extraction, had blue eyes which they liked to put about in a sort of nickname for him. Also aristocratic Germans of the Middle Ages favored Sicily, notably under the Holy Roman Emperors named Conrad which I think was partly a Crusades thing. The flipside of this is that Arabs/Moors from North Africa conquered Sicily and held it for almost 100 years during which I would not be surprised, numerous Sicilians converted, at least outwardly, to Islam. When the pope eventually won back Sicily it was decided to make Friday, the Islamic holy day, a semi-holy Christian day by making it a mandatory non-meat day for all Catholics, which meant mostly everyone in Western Europe all for the sake of appeasing erstwhile Sicilian Muslims converted back to Catholicism. Since fish/seafood was not considered a meat it was a boon to Italian and Sicilian fishermen. This is mostly my theory but I hope someone might be able to substantiate it.

by M. Cicconereply 12711/24/2012

"Rollo the Viking". Sounds fat. Icky.

by M. Cicconereply 12811/24/2012

r127, no meat on Friday goes back to the early Christian Church. It is essentially a Byzantine outpost for more years than it was ever moslem.

by M. Cicconereply 12911/24/2012

I'll keep this short--

The influx and racial mixing of Sicilians and other southern Italians is not a rumor, but historical fact supported by archaeological finds, documents, and linguistic analysis. For instance, a large percentage of words in Sicilian dialect have Arabic roots--if memory serves, nearly all of the agricultural words--terms for farming, seeds, etc--are derived from Arabic.

Also the name of the gay club across from the Colisseum is called Coming Out, and gay life in Italy--at least in the larger cities--is not all that hidden. There are massive pride parades, marches, etc. And the city council people of Rome have tried to shut down the local cruising spot unsuccessfully (a park).

by M. Cicconereply 13011/24/2012

I hope, but the time I buy my villa in Puglia, the gay world will have evolved in Italy. I know the mayor of Lecce is out and gay so that is definitely progress.

by M. Cicconereply 13111/24/2012

Does the mayor of Lecce eat "red gravy?"

by M. Cicconereply 13211/24/2012

Sicily just elected a gay governor.

by M. Cicconereply 13311/24/2012

Aren't most white Americans descended from Italians? I read some statistic that there are more people of Italian origin living in North and South America than there are in Italy. It seems like every Euro-American I know is a combination of:

- Irish

- German

- Italian

by M. Cicconereply 13411/24/2012

Let's discuss how fucking HOT Al Pacino was in GF 1 & 2

by M. Cicconereply 13511/24/2012

Right. Sicily was on the major trade routes for ages so that explains the many different gene pools in Sicily. The eating fish on Friday I believe went back to the fishermen needing subsidies at the time so a pope or someone change the law to help them out.

by M. Cicconereply 13611/24/2012

"How in hell did he get light hair being Sicilian, I asked him, and he said not all his ancestors were Italians. Everyone in his family except him had black hair."

I am a blond green eyed Sicilian-American. I was born in the US, as were my parents and all my mom's siblings.

My dad's father was a blond blue eyed Sicilian. All my dad's siblings, as well as himself, had dark hair and brown eyes like their mother.

My mom's side is Sicilian/French and Scottish. Two of her siblings had blond hair and blue eyes.

My maternal grandmother (Sicilian/French/Scottish) was very pale with black hair. My maternal grandfather looked like an Arab, he was dark skinned, had a hook nose and dark wavy black hair.

Only one of my mom's siblings had their father's coloring and features, unfortunately it was a woman! This aunt, had extensive plastic surgery many years ago.

My mom's father was born in Tunisia, both of his parents were supposedly Sicilian and moved to Tunisia for work.

I'd like to do more research on my family, everyone looks so different, on both sides. Most strangers never guess we are Italian, because most people have the stereotypical, dark skinned, dark haired and eyed Italians in their minds.

One female cousin, who is also Italian, looks Eurasian, she is very tall with almond eyes and thick straight dark hair. She has a very exotic look. When she was much younger, she was stopped on the street by a Ford model agent, she was given a business card to call and meet with an agent.

I'm figuring there is so much more going on with my family than just Italian, French and Scottish genes.

Of course, there are Scottish Italians, which means my mom's so called Scottish heritage can simply be some Italians who settled in Scotland.

by M. Cicconereply 13711/24/2012

A word about meatballs: Here in Tuscany they are often shaped into balls and then flatened a bit. Or they are shaped into ovals... sort of an egg shape. And yes, they are small.

In central and northern Italy, they are never eaten with pasta... they are a second course.

by M. Cicconereply 13911/24/2012

At a Sicilian household where I would sometimes go for dinner, the mother served meatballs with raisins in them - is this traditional? If you're interested in food, read the Inspector Montalbano mystery series set in Sicily (by Andrea Camilleri) - the cop a very serious foodie!

by M. Cicconereply 14011/24/2012

I went to high school of Italian who frighteningly resembled a young Jack Wrangler. Very Aryan looking and he said that his family were from the northern part of Italy, near Austria, hence the Teutonic looks.

It wasn't until my graduating year that I realized another Italian guy in school was not a WASP. he was brown haired and looked a lot like Nicholas Campbell, he 70's actor. He said his father anglicized the family name to something more WASPY (dropping a couple vowels) so that he could find work.

by M. Cicconereply 14111/24/2012

r134, you must live near a major city like NY, Boston, philly or Chicago. Most real "white" Americans with ancestors here longer than 120 yrs. have Native American in their blood, not Italian. Italian societies, like Germans, never got a foothold here because they came later and weren't of pioneer stock like the Spanish, French, Dutch, African and English. Hence, the old names of towns and roads rarely contain Italian or German names (if old).

by M. Cicconereply 14211/24/2012

R27 I'm half-Italian and half-Greek, and that description does NOT fit me! (unfortunately)

by M. Cicconereply 14311/24/2012

r142, do your homework. The US has had a German presence since colonial days...

by M. Cicconereply 14411/24/2012

R142 - you must live in the South where it's mainly English, Scots, Irish and the like.

The #1 ancestral origin of Americans is....German.

Italians really are more clustered in a few cities - Boston, Providence, NJ/NY, Philly, Chicago.

by M. Cicconereply 14511/24/2012

142 here. Nope, Germans never really had their own region like the French, Spanish or English. Nothing big. The Dutch at least did. You do YOUR homework. Lots of German peasants started Germantowns but never really had full on regions of lands like the English, Spanish, Dutch and especially French. A shanty "Germantown" does not compare to the likes of fearless immigrants in the early 1600s. Get a clue.

by M. Cicconereply 14611/24/2012

Years ago on Datalounge, one poster was really bitter he had never made it as an academic in his field (English lit.), and he was convinced it only was because he was Italian-American. Other posters wrote in with dozens of names of famous Italian-American English lit. professors at all the famous schools (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Duke, etc.), yet even so he STILL refused to believe that he had not made it for any other reason other than that he was Italian-American.

by M. Cicconereply 14811/24/2012

If you haven't noticed...Germany is a land of Aspergerish people. No coincidence the affliction was documented in a Germanic society. Most Aspies can document a bloodline from there. Lack of empathy is an Aspie trait as is psychopathy. Coincidence? Where have Germans started a real colonial society that is adhesive? South Africa? NY? No, that was the Dutch. English, French, Spanish that took a foothold in the new land. Face it, most Germans are freaks. Odd people. They are best staying home and Aspie-ing machines and engines. They've tried to take over the world but the non-Aspie population always considered them freaks. Lack of social skills did them in when they tried to branch out into world domination. Fail! Fix my car and then go away.

by M. Cicconereply 14911/24/2012

Germans are odd. We know. So are Italians. Explains why neither ever made it past mere enclaves on American and Canadian soil. They're odd.

by M. Cicconereply 15011/24/2012

I'd say you have too much time on your hands, R149.

by M. Cicconereply 15111/24/2012

Okay, whatever but their lack of making it in the new world says a different story of most peeps from Germany. A land of mostly farm peasants that the greater good needs to recognize. Farm people.

by M. Cicconereply 15211/24/2012

r140, I have read and heard that raisins are often an indication of the Arab/North African influence on Sicilian and southern Italian cooking.

by M. Cicconereply 15311/24/2012

R 149, R 150 you are incorrect. Bavarians are very talkative warm and inviting people. Hardly the stereotype of a German. You can find Germans in Wisconsin and many other parts of the US. There were so many Germans in the US hundreds of years ago that German almost became the dominant language here not English.

You can find Italians in San Francisco New Orleans, Chicago,Dallas, St Louis etc so on.Yes, the majority is in the US Northeast but one can find Italians in other parts of the US.

by M. Cicconereply 15411/24/2012

According to the World Almanac, the top 10 European (white) descended ethnicities (ancestries) in the United States are:

1. German 2. Irish 3. English 4. Italian 5. Polish 6. French 7. Scottish 8. Dutch 9. Norwegian 10.Swedish

That said, it should also be noted that the Irish total also contains many Scotch-Irish who came largely from Scotland, mainly in the 17th century to Ulster creating the tension that has ran through Irish history ever since (it is a fairly good indication that if an Irish person is Catholic his Irish "nativity" is more "genuine"). There is also a specific category for the Scotch-Irish (who settled largely in Appalachia) but it is further down the list as are Russians, most of whom are actually Jews. French Canadians are usually grouped within the French category and in the Italian category, Sicilians are usually included although occasionally Sicilians might maintain they are not Italian, but Sicilian. Germans have come not only from Germany or Austria but as far afield as the Ukraine and Russia.

by M. Cicconereply 15511/24/2012

Fuck - I'm half Italian, the other half is predominantly Irish with a little Mohawk thrown in.

To look at me though, there's no doubt what the dominant part is.

by M. Cicconereply 15611/24/2012

My family is from Rome and Naples - most of us are olive skinned/dark eyes/dark hair. My brother and a couple of my cousins still in Italy are fair skinned with bright, red hair.

by M. Cicconereply 15711/24/2012

Also - we've always called sauce "sugo"

by M. Cicconereply 15811/24/2012

"To look at me though, there's no doubt what the dominant part is."


by M. Cicconereply 15911/24/2012

I bet R149 doesn't even know what she meant by "adhesion."

R142 is just wrong. Most white Americans have NO native American blood. Including me and I have numerous Dutch and English ancestors from the 1620s.

Also, Germans came very early and were probably a third of Pennsylvania's population at the time of the Revolution and a presence in all the colonies. The reason that German influence isn't as apparent as it once was is that it was suppressed during World War I.

by M. Cicconereply 16011/25/2012

Biggest ancestry component by county, 2000 Census. Germans rule.

Italians dominate only parts of Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, and New Jersey. And Broward County, Florida.

This of course is self-reported, and Americans overreport their Irish and other ancestries and under-report their Englishness.

by M. Cicconereply 16111/25/2012

Interesting R141 as I had a high school Spanish teacher who was a lot like Jack Wrangler.

by M. Cicconereply 16211/25/2012

Poster R60 here again.

First of all,with this talk of food, I am getting hungry for some genuine Italian food! Yes, I believe that raisins in some foods, esp. with meats, is probably an Arab influence. My grandmother's mother put them in bracciole (sp?), which is meat rolled into a jelly roll shape with herbs, spices, perhaps hardboiled eggs, maybe raisins, definately grated parm/romano cheese and then cooked in tomato sauce. I have seen raisins added to other meat dishes where one normally wouldn't expect them. I was also told by my grandmother that spaghetti served with meatballs IS NOT an Italian dish, and that meatballs ARE NOT Italian. I was confused by this, and she died not long after that conversation, so I could never question her further. She said Italian ate these things, and liked them, but that they (meaning meatballs) were definately of FORIEGN origin. Meatballs sound suspiciously like an Arab or Indian item. I once found a Kofta recipe that seemed suspiciously like meatballs.

R14, I remember Sophia Loren explaining in some movie that in Italy pizza is eaten by folding the slice in half. As kids, we just picked that slice of good ole pizza up and devoured away! I don't recall anyone ever eating pizza with a knife and fork.Of course, Pizza is so good, if made correctly, who cares HOW a person eats it!

As for hair color, my great-grandmother was a pale-skinned, strawberry blonde. She was of southern descent. I have known several blonde-haired, blue or green-eyed and pale- skinned Italians in my life.

Differences in pronunciation of words may come from our grandparents speaking DIALECTS of Italian, rather than the standard (of Tuscan origin??) Italian taught today.

As for those loud-mouthed buffoons, there is a word for them. It is Cavone or Gavone, meaning goon, or uncouth. A Spacone is a flashy showoff. My spelling on these slang terms may be incorrect. A ka-Goots I always understood to be a type of long green summer squash. It also meant kooky, as did Potsa or potsie. An eggplant was a melanZAN.

by M. Cicconereply 16311/25/2012

r163 - The link at r98 shows the long squash.

Crazy = pazzo

[quote]As for those loud-mouthed buffoons, there is a word for them. It is Cavone or Gavone, meaning goon, or uncouth.

The word is "cafone". Describes all those Jersey Shore idiots.

I grew up hearing Italian but not speaking it much. Took a couple of years of it in college, so I can usually get the proper Italian word from the dialect pronunciation.

by M. Cicconereply 16411/25/2012

Spaghetti and Meatballs is American Garlic Bread is American Sunday Gravy is American Chicken fettuccine American

None of those thing are served like that in Italy.

Don't even get me started with Olive Garden.

by M. Cicconereply 16511/25/2012

[quote]Spaghetti and Meatballs is American.

Yes and no. A tomato sauce (or ragu) made with meatballs, sausage etc is Italian. Italians normally wouldn't put that kind of heavy sauce on spaghetti. They would use a wider noodle or something like ziti, penne, etc. They would also serve the pasta with the sauce first and then the meat.

by M. Cicconereply 16611/25/2012

In Italy, they typically have a first and second course for their main meal. Like a small starter of pasta, and a second of fish, meat or other protein.

Americans could not understand this cultural difference and expected everything on the plate all at once. Spaghetti and Meatballs was born.

Here is how its done in Italy:

by M. Cicconereply 16711/25/2012

Bunch of spaghetti benders

by M. Cicconereply 16811/25/2012

How did we get off on Germans? But since we did there is a lot of German influence in the TX hill country. Chili is widely believed to have been created by a German immigrant trying to make a stew with local ingredients. Chicken fried steak is basically schnitzel. Lots of picturesque little towns named Fredericksburg, which has a huge Oktoberfest every year, Schulenburg (home of Shiner Bock), Gruene, New Braunfels, etc. My own name is very Germanic but someone Anglicized the spelling years ago.

by M. Cicconereply 16911/25/2012

Generally, good people. Can be a bit off when it comes to la familia, mama, and outsiders.

I am always amazed how Italian men love to rim, and they do it with gusto.....for hours.

by M. Cicconereply 17011/25/2012

Well, the schnitzel is German, but they stole it from the Italians who made it first and called it Milanese. Argentina has a version too called suprema do pollo, again, borrowed from the Italians.

by M. Cicconereply 17111/25/2012

When I usually meet Americans of both Italian and German descent I'll hear stories of their family hiding their German roots because of the stigma attached to Nazi Germany.Some have admitted to being ashamed of being German. As bad as it is to be stereotyped as a mobster, it's much worse to be seen as a mass murderer instead.

by M. Cicconereply 17211/25/2012

R140, yes, very traditional in Sicilian cuisine. My family makes them both ways--the ones without raisins are a little larger and the ones with raisins are smaller so that they are easily distinguished from eachother, because a few people don't like them with that I think about it, the family members who DON'T like the raisins are ones who married into the family and didn't grow up with them.

Sicilians use raisins a lot, actually. Another popular way to cook swordfish is with onions, raisins and vinegar.

by M. Cicconereply 17311/25/2012

R164, here is probably an example of dialects vs. modern, mainstream Italian language. I always heard my Italian grandmother use CaVone, not CaFone. Today, and maybe even back then, it would have been caFone, but I always heard caVone.

by M. Cicconereply 17411/25/2012

R167, we also had a lettuce salad served LAST of all in the meal, NOT before as in the USA. It was not put in a salad bowl or plate, but served directly on the dinner plate. I am not sure if the part about serving salad on a dinner plate is uniquely Italian or just done in our house, however.

by M. Cicconereply 17511/25/2012

I grew up in the East (New England) in a Catholic town that was settled mainly by a mix of Italian, Irish, and Polish immigrants. I graduated from high school in the mid-80s. The older Italian men sometimes fit the stereotype of treating the wife badly. My mother's best friend was married to an I-A chauvinist tyrant for years before she finally grew a spine and divorced him. My neighbor, a sweet widowed I-A woman, hated her brother-in-law for the way he treated her sister. They owned a local store and the brother-in-law was notorious for mercilessly berating his wife in front of customers. My neighbor always talked about how respectful her husband was to her, so not all men in the older generation were like that. The next generation was better but you still saw some of that old school I'm-the-man-you-do-what-I-say BS, generally from men whose fathers were that way. Men in my generation (Gen-X) were mostly growing out of that mentality. Their kids were raised to respect women. I think the issue is more generational. Yes, you still get the Jersey Shore-type pockets that seem to carry on the bad stereotypes, but most I-As i meet fit the generational mentality, with the younger men being more respectful. Same thing with racism.

by M. Cicconereply 17611/25/2012

I was told that to call an Italian from the mainland a Sicilian is an insult.

by M. Cicconereply 17711/25/2012

R177 -- I was puzzled by a co-worker who referred to herself as "half Sicilian, and half Italian" but among Italian-American I suppose it makes a difference.

Myself, I'm second-guessing whether my one ancestor from Germany (mid 1880's) having been Jewish is the same as "German-American" (although he considered himself to be German).

by M. Cicconereply 17811/25/2012

The combo of German and Italian has to be one of the best out there. A gorgeous equation in my experience. Irish or Scottish Italian mix (common in the NorthEast) can be quite nice too. My 2 cents. I think I will make a nice rigatoni tonite.

by M. Cicconereply 17911/25/2012

Why are Italian-Americans in San Francisco's North Beach so different from those in Italian neighborhoods in the Northeast.

by M. Cicconereply 18011/25/2012

[quote]Americans overreport their Irish

They do not. You tried pushing that bullshit before. No one aspires to be Irish.

by M. Cicconereply 18111/25/2012

R181 = Gore Vidal

by M. Cicconereply 18211/25/2012

[quote]When people ask what ethnicity I am, I always say American because I was born here, not in Italy.

The only way you're American ethnically is if you're Native American. You're a fucking idiot. You're Italian. If they ask you what your nationality is, you say American.

by M. Cicconereply 18311/25/2012

r174 - Absolutely about hearing "ka-vone" or "ga-vone" in dialect. That's the way I always heard it too. I was just providing the proper spelling in case someone was interested.

The "f", "v" and "b" sounds often drift between each other in many languages, as do "t" and "d", "g" and "c, k" etc.

by M. Cicconereply 18411/25/2012

This thread is making my head explode.

by M. Cicconereply 18511/25/2012

My family is all Italian on both sides. Most of my ancestors came over from Naples when everyone was starving around the turn of the century. They were poor and built lives for themselves and their children -- now, my aunts and uncles have the trappings of success. I'll give them that.

Other than that, when I look at the family history, there's very little that makes me proud. Selfishness, racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, with a history of childhood incest.

I'm actually embarrassed to be called "Italian."

by M. Cicconereply 18611/26/2012

Why are Italians so easy with being critical?

Or maybe it's me, reticent WASP.

I love my Italian boyfriend, I really do. But he says he's being honest - well he's not so easy going when I am honest with him.

HIM: Your breath is bad.

ME: Your back is covered with zits.


by M. Cicconereply 18711/26/2012


Don't be embarrassed to be Italian; be embarrassed to be Napolitano.

by M. Cicconereply 18811/26/2012

Teresa and Joe Giudice's parents are from Naples.

by M. Cicconereply 18911/26/2012

The first time I went to Italy, I was amazed by how stylish, soigne, and attractive the Italians in Rome, Florence, and Venice were. I mistakenly thought that fatties, the hoi polloi had no representatives in Italy--until I went to Naples.

by M. Cicconereply 19011/26/2012

R183 Your the idiot. English, Italian, Spanish, German did not just appear on the planet as separate races. They clustered into groups in different parts of the world and developed a culture, just like Americans who are easily identifiable from the English.

By definition, an ethnic group is only that which is identifiable by common traits, but not required to have common heritage.

If we used your logic, there would be no ethnic groups since all of mankind is a descendant from Africa.

by M. Cicconereply 19111/26/2012

Agree 100% with r186.

by M. Cicconereply 19211/26/2012

Agree with R190. Italian men in Italy are very well groomed, in shape and take care of their looks.

A lot more then typical straight men in America. This is because men in that culture are the pretty ones. Even their baseball uniforms are made by Armani. Sort of metrosexual before it was a thing here in the states.

by M. Cicconereply 19311/26/2012

Italian men in America are getto compaired to Italian men from Italy (im talking to you Jersey).

Especially in the east coast where they have butchered the language so much its like the Ebonics of Italian.

Italians also immigrated to the west coast where they blended in more, seem more liberal and more refined. I think it has a lot to do with the fact parts of California is a lot like the Mediterranean.

by M. Cicconereply 19411/26/2012

I've only visited Italy twice, in the North, and I was really surprised by how unattractive the men were - not just unattractive but like they had poor nutrition or something. I assume all the good looking ones are in the South, in Roma. We see a few good looking ones in the media but they are not the norm.

Had sex with an Italian in London, once. Terribly over-rated.

by M. Cicconereply 19511/26/2012

I had sex with a white guy from London once, also terribly over-rated.

by M. Cicconereply 19611/26/2012

Italian fashion designers: Armani, Benetton, Fendi, Gucci, Versace, Prada.

by M. Cicconereply 19711/26/2012


Most of the Italian immigrants in the US trace their heritage to Southern Italy.

California got the Tuscans. From places like Lucca. It is whole different breed. It has nothing to with the "Jersey Shore" Guidos.

You meet very few Italian Americans from Central and Northern Italy.

Unless it's a recent immigrant working in business, in finance, in fashion or a student... you won't find immigrants from Florence, Milan, Bologna or Turin in the US. It will be rare.

Italy and the Italians from Umbria on up are, in my view, the most refined people in Europe. A very large number of them...from working class on... look good, dress well, eat well and understand how to live well.

by M. Cicconereply 19811/26/2012

I think that's true R186. I am of the same embarrassed stock, my mother never really instilled in me that being Italian is the best thing. However, I do notice that when I tell people I am Italian, that they seem more interested. It's true that many people want to be Italian to some degree, at least in my experience even with all the negative stereotypes.

by M. Cicconereply 19911/26/2012

Greedy cock-suckers. Never get enough

by M. Cicconereply 20011/26/2012

Cock, that is

by M. Cicconereply 20111/26/2012


by M. Cicconereply 20211/26/2012

[quote][R183] Your the idiot. English, Italian, Spanish, German did not just appear on the planet as separate races.

Oh, the irony!

by M. Cicconereply 20311/26/2012

The Irish are drunks, and have a high incidence of schizophrenia do to all the inbreeding in their background.

by M. Cicconereply 20411/26/2012

[quote]Italian men in America are getto compaired to Italian men from Italy (im talking to you Jersey).

Oh, dear.

by M. Cicconereply 20511/26/2012

[r190] Where did you go in Naples? Tell me all about it.

by M. Cicconereply 20611/26/2012

R183, No, our ancestors may have come from various parts of the globe, but the people born in the USA are AMERICAN by ethnicity. I always say I am an AMERICAN, when asked what my ethnicity is. That shuts people up.

So, maybe you could explain just how many generations it takes for people born in a place to be considered natives?

by M. Cicconereply 20711/26/2012

Question for Italians but probably Sicilians. There's a word they use to describe trashy women. Phonetically: TRISH-A-LORDA.

I realize it's probably a word that would be spelled differently, like the word used to describe someone of a "stormy" character is "tempest" but the old people pronounce it like "dem-best". Like a sloppy place, I know is described as "skushade" but in Sicilian it is "grishade". Can anyone ask around about the term Trish-a-lorda", please? Such a great term, like some of the Yiddish words, you just KNOW what they mean.

by M. Cicconereply 20911/27/2012


Okay, I'll have to look at Google earth to tell you where I went because I let my ex-gf, who had lived in Naples for a year while she was doing her masters at Federico, navigate for us. I tried to take pictures of the ubiquitous piles of trash, the fatties, the disgusting little shops with loud blaring music--so strange in Italy, yet so reminiscent of the seedy parts of Miami--but she wouldn't let me because she was embarrassed for Italy.

Naples has always been a poor, gross place, and an eyesore for other Italians. Go to the maritime museum in Genoa, and you'll see exhibitions that say, "When the Napolitani came to Genoa to board ships for the new world, they made our town dirty and disgusting."

by M. Cicconereply 21011/27/2012


I can ask my ex-gf.

by M. Cicconereply 21111/27/2012

I would imagine it's striscia lorda - but I can ask.

by M. Cicconereply 21211/27/2012

oh r204, didn't know the Irish have the market cornered on schizophrenia. I thought Scandinavia had the highest incidence. You can't classify the Irish as one, as there are so many different clans. You have your Michael Lohans and then you have Pierce Brosnans. One thing for sure is that it melds beautifully with other ethnicities, especially German. Think Grace Kelly. Most Irish have similar noses like Scandinavians. Small, petite and often upturned, like a doll. Their eye colors are pretty spectacular too. It's a very dominant gene. You can spot it even when someone is mixed with African or Asian. In the States, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't have Irish blood running through their veins. They got around. Australia is loaded with them as well.

by M. Cicconereply 21311/27/2012

209 thanks you. Looked up stricia and it means to crawl, grovel. But please, ask around. Such a great phrase and describes my husbear's mother to a this one tries to judge others but the elders would use this term to describe that crazy, skanky bitch who has no business judging anyone. Stricia Lorda!...and her house is all skushade. Marrone. Fon-du-motz.

by M. Cicconereply 21411/27/2012

Naples has some really hot men. I chat a lot on an Italian webcam site and the horniest cities seem to be Napoli and Bari, but I get messages from every city.

by M. Cicconereply 21511/27/2012

Informative thread guys, thanks. I've been wanting to visit Italy and now I know to avoid Sicily and Naples.

by M. Cicconereply 21611/27/2012

They're the "horniest" because employment is so low.

by M. Cicconereply 21711/27/2012

[r210] Non sono affatto napolitano. E' una stupidaggine dire generalita' quando non conosci bene un posto. Mentisci ancora. Tua fidanzata non ci e vissuta mai, cara cretinetta. Sei proprio razzista ed insoppartibile. Tra l'altro sono magro. Fuotite.

by M. Cicconereply 21811/27/2012


As if you would know where my ex-gf attended university.

Typical hyperventilating from a Southern Italian whack job.

by M. Cicconereply 21911/27/2012

[r219] You're lying and hyping it to make a point. You have no idea what my origins are. Your pussy stinks of lesbian halitosis.

by M. Cicconereply 22011/27/2012


E di dove sei?

by M. Cicconereply 22111/27/2012

Typical Naples street.

by M. Cicconereply 22311/27/2012

Ti voglio bene, r210.

Some of the generalization on this board are amazing. While it is true the "Jersey shore" types certainly exist in the IA community, that is not representative of all Italian Americans.

by M. Cicconereply 22411/27/2012

Typical New York street.

by M. Cicconereply 22511/27/2012

Every country has ugly trashy areas. None of them have a patent on beauty.

by M. Cicconereply 22611/27/2012

Notice the sexism and the homophobia--typical southern Italian riff-raff.

by M. Cicconereply 22811/27/2012

"No wonder her alleged girlfriend who attended university is her ex."

Clearly logic is not your strong suit.

by M. Cicconereply 23011/27/2012

[quote]Clearly logic is not your strong suit.

I understood it.

by M. Cicconereply 23111/27/2012

I really have to laugh about Americans pointing out Naples' dirty streets. Naples?

The US has entire cities of such filth and squalor.... they are unmatched anywhere in the world.

Detroit. Camden. St Louis. Gary. Flint. Oalkland. Trenton, Youngstown...much of New Orleans, Cleveland, Baltimore, Memphis, Birmingham....Oh my God the list goes on and on....

America has some of the filthiest cities on the planet.

Naples is the Upper East Side in comparison.

by M. Cicconereply 23211/27/2012

When I win the powerball tomorrow, my new lover will be an Italian-American.

by M. Cicconereply 23311/27/2012

If Lidia Bastianich can pass herself as Italian, anybody can.

by M. Cicconereply 23411/27/2012

Lidia is Yugoslavian.

You know how you can tell she's not Italian? She has no sense of humor.

I think she'd be more at home slinging hash in an Eastern European women's prison.

The Grand-Dame of Italian cooking is Marcella Hazan (Marcella Polini).

A few years ago Martha Stewart had Hazan on her show. It seemed as if Hazan had no idea who Stewart was. She elbowed Martha out of the way... rolled her eyes at Stewarts questions ...and seemed to be oblivious to the cameras. She was fabulous. It is the only time I ever saw Stewart tongue-tied.

by M. Cicconereply 23511/27/2012

Lidia is from Trieste. It is both 100% Italian and 100% Slovenian.

It is a historical oddity.

by M. Cicconereply 23711/27/2012

She was born in Croatia when it was ruled by Yugoslavia, and it officially became part of of yugoslavia before she was a year old. Her family fled "communism" in 1956 (apparently Italian government welcomed Italians and Yugoslavia wasn't sorry to see them go). Her future husband also fled. They came to NY in 1958.

by M. Cicconereply 23811/27/2012

I feel a need to admit here that Naples is my favorite city in Italy.

Of course, Northern Italian cities have culture, art, gorgeous architecture, etc. etc. etc. And yes, Naples has a major fricking trash problem and is crawling with pickpockets, Mafiosi and corruption.

And yet.

The old saying is that if you're an American tourist and Rome is driving you crazy, don't go further South than Rome. Because Italy just gets more Italian the further South you go. And Naples is triple-distilled Italian chaos.

It's also a. wall-to-wall HOT Southern Italian men (if that's your thing), and b. pure Italian street theatre. Couples necking on scooters @ 100kph, old women dumping their bath water three floors down to the street. Old men openly grabbing their crotch and openly staring you down on the street.

And the architecture, my God. 2600 years of architectural history slammed together in one glorious, gorgeous mess.

I do understand that Naples is an acquired taste. I love Lucca for being Lucca, Rome for being Rome, and Naples for being Naples. How's that?

by M. Cicconereply 23911/27/2012

While I adore Italian-Americans, it saddens me to say they are, in general, a lazy people. They're okay with doing things half-assed. Don't kill me, but I always avoid them as surgeons because of the laziness prevalent in the culture. Love their cooking (although anything French is always superior) but if they can wrap it up and call it a day, they're alright with that. Italians in Europe have the high standards. Let's be real, they dumped their peasants on our shores but they're getting better as time passes because they mix so well with any other race or ethnicity under the Sun. Madonna is a semi-good example. Don't be mad. Even Italian-Americans know of which I speak and it is very frustrating for us.

by M. Cicconereply 24012/06/2012

My idiotic family are repukes too.

by M. Cicconereply 24312/06/2012

r242, you are so bitter. Seriously, get help.

r239, you reminded me on an old man in Naples about 2 summers ago. I was walking near an industrial area close to the train station trying to find the sauna, and there was the guy about 70 who saw me. I'm tall, thin, cute, and American-looking. He looked at me as I walked by and he made the most blatant, slutty noise I've ever witnessed. It was like him sucking in air through his pursued lips as loud as he could. He started to follow me and I think I yelled no and maybe even gave him the finger.

by M. Cicconereply 24412/06/2012

Very proud people. Of what, I'm not sure.

by M. Cicconereply 24512/06/2012

Oh, spare me your politically correct gibberish and fake concern r244.

If you're too dumb and simply will not advocate for your own home and life, don't expect my sympathy or donations. You really cannot help some people. You sound infuriating.

by M. Cicconereply 24612/06/2012

[quote] You are a snotty [childish epithet posted by a bigoted tool] queen like all male homosexuals,


by M. Cicconereply 24812/06/2012

[r248] Try to get the point I was trying to make. The epithet wasn't all that bad in my estimation, anyway, but webby removed it - it involved the word snotty ... but I was trying to show that bigotry against us is just as bad as bridge and tunnel bigotry.

by M. Cicconereply 24912/07/2012

Try to funnel your rage into your English and typing skills r247. Other than really being angry and hateful toward me, I cannot make out the meaning of your post.

I am happy you are a bartender as long as you like it.

What "exceptions" does a sane person make in willfully promoting those who literally harm your life and home. Are you some sort of nutty moral relativist?

by M. Cicconereply 25012/07/2012

[quote] Try to get the point I was trying to make. The epithet wasn't all that bad in my estimation, anyway, but webby removed it - it involved the word snotty ... but I was trying to show that bigotry against us is just as bad as bridge and tunnel bigotry.

You're not one of "us", bigot

by M. Cicconereply 25112/07/2012

done here

by M. Cicconereply 25212/07/2012

R242 you are a racist and an idiot. That's like saying that America deserved 9-11 or that Jews deserved the Crown Heights riots because they voted for Dinkins. I think that a hung Italian man ripped you in two and you can't get over it.

R247 , R246/R242 is an asshole BUT so are you!You don't score points by defending one group correctly(Italian Americans) then name calling another group insensitively,namely gays.

by M. Cicconereply 25312/07/2012

Ok which bartender and which bar?

by M. Cicconereply 25512/07/2012

oh, now ...

by M. Cicconereply 25612/07/2012

I love my Italian-American boyfriend and his large, crazy family.

by M. Cicconereply 25712/07/2012

I much prefer Southern Italy to the North. Sicily, Naples, Sorrento, the glorious Amalfi coast...I'll take that any day over the north, which I find to be stuffy and not as interesting. Of course, the northerners hate the south, so it is what it is!!

by M. Cicconereply 25812/10/2012

An immersion experience for OP.

by M. Cicconereply 25912/11/2012

beefy italian men have the hottest, most manly hands in the world. mmmmm fat fingers

by M. Cicconereply 26012/11/2012

They are awfully touchy about the word mafia.

by M. Cicconereply 26112/11/2012

How's this for discussion? My parents and grandparents always referred to them as "the grays" because they aren't quite black nor quite white.

by M. Cicconereply 26212/19/2012

Italian-American pride is the oddest thing. Everyone with a smidgen of IA ancestry is compelled to brag about it, as if it makes them special, or more desirable.

There is so much mythology surrounding IA that I feel it actually works against them. So many I have met don't have basic values, or even try to live decently. They condone crime, adultery, and are abusive to others. Many IA have very little ambition. And yet, they are special and somehow make for appealing lovers because they are "Italian."

Italians in Italy do not consider IA's to be real Italians, by the way. They are just rude Americans like everyone else.

by M. Cicconereply 26312/19/2012

[quote]There is so much mythology surrounding IA that I feel it actually works against them. So many I have met don't have basic values, or even try to live decently. They condone crime, adultery, and are abusive to others. Many IA have very little ambition. And yet, they are special and somehow make for appealing lovers because they are "Italian."

Oh, fuck off. You may be acquainted with some Italian-Americans but you obviously don't know any.

by M. Cicconereply 26412/19/2012

They don't quite fit in with the rest of us. Warped social perceptions keep them on the outskirts of society.

by M. Cicconereply 26512/19/2012

R265 Italians married into my family(my family is from New Zealand and Australia, being of German and English descent)and they are fine. They are not warped.

R262 My cousin married an Italian girl and she has blond hair and blue eyes and looks Dutch. Even the Southerners have Lombard and Norman(Germanic) blood.

by M. Cicconereply 26612/19/2012

Americans can be so fucking stupid...

Below is a list of some of those "lazy Italian Americans" (of course most of the low-culture posters here will not even know a fraction of who these people are...)

Don DeLillo, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, Gregory Corso, Ed McBain (author of The Black Board Jungle), Gay Talese

Enrico Causici, Antonio Capellano and Luigi Persico, Costantino Brumidi: architects/sculptors/ muralists of the US Capital.

Giorgio Cavallon: one of America's first abstract-expressionists, Robert De Niro (Father of actor) has paintings in the Metropolitan and Brooklyn Museums, Ralph Fasanella (look him up)

Attilio Piccirilli (and his five brothers) : carved the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC along with the famous lions guarding New York's Public Library, statues in Rockefeller Center, and many other works. The studio that he and his brothers established in New York in 1889 became the largest sculpture studio in the country.

John Rapetti : worked in Paris with Frederic Bertholdi on the Statue of Liberty and his name in engraved in the crown as one of its creators.

Frank Stella (look him up)

Dominick Argento composer (Pulitzer prize 1975)

David Del Tredici composer (Pulitzer Prize 1980)

Gian Carlo Menotti: the first composer to write American operas that have become part of the international repertory.

Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berra, Phil Rizzuto, Roy Campanella, Tommy Lasorda.

Billy Martin, born Alfred Manuel Pesano, became the first Italian American manager to win a World Series when he led the New York Yankees to victory in 1977. Four other Italian Americans managers have led their teams to World Series victories: Tommy Lasorda led the Los Angeles Dodgers in 1981 and 1988, Joe Altobelli of the Baltimore Orioles in 1983, Tony LaRussa of the Oakland Athletics in 1989, and Joe Torre of the New York Yankees in 1996 and 1998.

The Bank of America, the largest bank in the country, was established in 1904 by Amadeo Pietro ("A.P.") Giannini (1870-1949) in San Francisco. In 1919, he innovated the system of branch banking. Originally called the Bank of Italy, it changed names in 1928 and, in 1998 merged with NationsBank Corp. Giannini financed the Golden Gate Bridge, and the fledgling film industry, including Cecil B. DeMille's "Ten Commandments," and Disney's "Snow White," as well as California's aerospace and agricultural industries.

Two Italian Americans developed the American shopping mall. William Cafaro began building and operating neighborhood shopping centers in the 1940s. When he died at age 84 in 1998, he was one of the richest men in America, leaving behind $800 million. Edward J. DeBartolo, Sr. began as a construction worker and ended with the largest real estate and development company in the nation. During the 1960s, DeBartolo Corporation began to develop shopping malls and suburban office parks.

The founders of both Blimpie and Subway Sandwich chains are Italian American. There are now over 2,000 Blimpies in the U.S. and 13 foreign countries with a net worth of $38 million, thanks to Anthony Conza, who founded the first Blimpie in New Jersey in 1975. Fred De Luca borrowed $1,000 at age 17 to start his first sandwich shop. Today, he counts 13,136 Subways in 64 countries and is worth $3 billion.

Mr. Peanut and the Planters Peanut Company were created by Italian immigrants Amedeo Obici and Mario Peruzzi in 1887 in Pennsylvania.

Italian Americans are at the helm of the U.S. book industry. Leonard Riggio is the founder and CEO of Barnes & Noble, the largest book store in the nation while Borders, the second largest book store chain in the U.S., is chaired by Robert DiRomualdo.

Chef Boyardee, the man behind the nation's leading brand of ready-to-eat spaghetti dinners, pizza, sauce and pasta, was Ettore Boiardi, an Italian immigrant.

Ernest and Julio Gallo (Wine) (Today more than 100 wineries in the U.S. are owned by Italian Americans.)

by M. Cicconereply 26712/19/2012

Jeno Paulucci founded Chun King Chow Mein, which he launched with a $2,500 loan in 1946, and sold 20 years later for $63 million in cash. He has also founded Jeno's Pizza Rolls, Luigino's Inc., a line of frozen pasta entrees, and Pasta Lovers Trattorias.

Prince Company, a $200 million-a-year pasta manufacturing business, was established by Joseph Pellegrino, who emigrated to the U.S. from Sicily at age 12. A former street hustler, Pellegrino only went to school through the eight grade. His son, Joseph, Jr. and granddaughter Carla, both work for Prince today.

Lee Iacocca, (born "Lido"), brought the Chrysler Corporation back from the brink of bankruptcy during the mid-1980s. The company was in the black within a month of his tenure as chairman. He resigned in 1992.

Richard A. Grasso was elected chairman and chief executive officer of the New York Stock Exchange in 1995. He started at the Exchange in 1968 and steadily rose through the ranks. In 1988 he became president and chief operating officer; in 1991 he became executive vice chairman and was elected chairman and CEO June 1, 1995. He was the first member of the NYSE staff to be elected to any of those posts in the Exchange's 206-year history.

The world's largest beauty supply distributor was started in 1972 when Michael H. Renzulli took over six stores in New Orleans. Now CEO and president of Sally Beauty Company, Renzulli has 2,150 stores in North America, Europe and Japan with $1 billion in sales.

The man who put a hand-held hair dryer in every beauty salon and American home is Leandro ("Lee") Rizzuto, chairman and president of Conair Corporation in Connecticut. Rizzuto and his parents founded the company in 1959 with $100 and their invention of hot rollers. In 1971, Conair perfected the professional pistol-grip hair dryer. Today, Rizzuto is sole owner of this multi-million dollar corporation, which also owns Cuisinart, a leading name in kitchen appliances and cookware.

Tropicana was founded in 1947 by Anthony Rossi as a Florida fruit packaging company. In 1954, Rossi pioneered a pasteurization process for orange juice. For the first time consumers could have not-from-concentrate orange juice in a ready-to-serve package. In 1978, Rossi sold his company to Beatrice Foods. It is now owned by PepsiCo, which bought it in 1998. Today, Tropicana is the world's largest producer of fruit juices. They are sold in 23 countries with sales of $2.5 billion a year.

by M. Cicconereply 26812/19/2012

Peter Sammartino was the founder, president and chancellor emeritus of Fairleigh Dickinson University, a liberal arts institution in New Jersey which he began in 1942 with his wife, Sylvia (Sally) Scaramelli.

Mother Frances Cabrini, the first American saint, founded 14 American colleges, 98 schools, 28 orphanages, eight hospitals, three training schools, and a score of other institutions with the help of over 4,000 sisters she recruited for the Missionary Sisters of the Sacred Heart, a group she also founded.

Italian Americans have founded some of America's oldest colleges and universities. The University of Santa Clara in California was founded by two Italian Jesuits: John Nobili and A. Accolti in 1851 with only $150. Gonzaga University in Washington State was founded by a Jesuit priest, Joseph Cataldo in 1881. St. Bonaventure's College, one of the best and well-known small colleges in New York state, was founded by Father Pamphilus in 1858.

Italian Americans served as presidents of several notable American colleges very early in their history. Father Giovanni Grassi served as the president of Georgetown College (now Georgetown University) in Washington, DC in 1812, only two years after emigrating to the U.S. from Bergamo. Father Anthony Ciampi was president of Loyola College in Baltimore, Maryland in 1863. Father Lawrence B. Palladino was president of Gonzaga University, in Washington State, from 1894-1897.

In 1978, at age 38, A. Bartlett Giamatti became the youngest president of Yale University in 200 years and the first president not entirely of Anglo Saxon heritage.

Dr. Edmund D. Pellegrino, the former president of Catholic University, a physician and author was founder, chairman, director, founding dean, professor, chancellor and president of medical centers in New Jersey, Kentucky, Tennessee, Connecticut and Washington, DC; as well as the author of over 400 medical articles.

In 1998, the NIAF identified at least 166 college presidents of Italian descent, including John DiBiaggio (Tufts University); Claire Gaudiani (Connecticut College); Jay Oliva (New York University); Joseph Polisi (The Julliard School); and Neil Rudenstine (Harvard University), whose mother was Italian American (Mae Esperito).

by M. Cicconereply 26912/19/2012

My own Italian ancestors were scrappy, innovative people. Still, I have met other IA's who are cringe-worthy. I mean, they are bad news. And they all love to tell you they are IA when you first meet them, it's the first thing out of their mouths.

Let me tell you--for all of that so-called pride an IA will stab another IA in the back quicker than anything. This is where some of my anger lies. In fact, there is this weirdo competitive streak to compensate for having come from a dystfunctional family.

All IA's come from dysfunctional families, most have an abusive parent or parents, and they unleash their anger on other IA's because they see us all as brothers and sisters. I hate it, and I hate them.

I no longer have IA friends because I can't stand them.

by M. Cicconereply 27012/19/2012

Rudolph Valentino

Frank Sinatra

Donald Duck, created by Alfred Tagliafero; Woody Woodpecker, a creation of Walter Lantz, (born "Lanza"); and Casper, the Friendly Ghost, the brainchild of Joseph Oriolo.

Carmine and Francis Ford Coppola,

The producer of all but one of the first 17 James Bond movies was Albert R. "Cubby" Broccoli.

Frank Capra

The man behind Tom and Jerry, Yogi Bear, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, The Smurfs and Scooby-Doo is Joseph Barbera, director, producer, and co-founder of Hanna-Barbera Film Studios.

Michael Bennett (born Michael DeFiglia)

by M. Cicconereply 27112/19/2012

America was fucking NAMED after an Italian:

Amerigo Vespucci

Christopher Columbus

Giovanni da Verrazzano

The American Southwest and California were explored and mapped almost solely by Eusebio Kino (1645-1711), an Italian Jesuit priest,

The co-founder of Detroit, Michigan in 1704 and its colonial governor for 12 years was Alphonse Tonty, the younger brother of explorer Henry Tonti.

Two of the original signers of the Declaration of Independence were of Italian origin: William Paca and Caesar Rodney.

Alfred E. Smith, who was born Alfred Emanuele Ferrara, was the first Italian American governor of New York (1919),

Charles Joseph Bonaparte founded the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1908, built the U.S. Navy into one of the strongest in the world and was the first Italian American appointed to a cabinet position, serving as Secretary of the Navy and later as U.S. Attorney General during Theodore Roosevelt's administration.

Fiorello H. LaGuardia was elected mayor in 1931 and served until 1944.

The 1950 New York City mayoral race was among three Italian Americans: Edward Corsi, Vincent Impellitteri, and Ferdinand Pecora. Impellitteri won on the Experience Party ticket and served as mayor until January, 1954.

Gov. Ella Tambussi Grasso of Connecticut was the first American woman elected governor

Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman to ever run for national office in the U.S.

Mario Cuomo

Rudolph W. Giuliani

by M. Cicconereply 27212/19/2012

Defensive about being outsiders in a WASP country, I see. This list of accomplishments doesn't change the fact that they aren't Americana and like the general population. They're considered different in white America. Not bad but different. I'm sorry to tell IAs this but it's true. PRs and blacks, you're in the same boat as them by society's standards but you don't want to hear it. I'm so very sorry.

by M. Cicconereply 27312/19/2012

Mama mia! Pass the anti-past, mozzarell, prozshut and gravy!

by M. Cicconereply 27412/19/2012

The Jacuzzi hot tub and spa were invented by the Jacuzzi family

The chocolate bar exists today in part thanks to Domenico Ghirardelli. In 1867, he perfected a method to make ground chocolate. Today, Ghirardelli chocolate is sold all over the world, including the square in San Francisco named after him, where his chocolate factory - now a shopping center -- still stands.

The ice cream cone was invented by an Italian immigrant to New Jersey named Italo Marcioni in 1896.

Bernard Cousino (1902-1994) held more than 76 patents on audiovisual equipment, including the eight-track tape player and the automobile tape deck.

John Sirica was the judge who presided over the Watergate case for five years and ordered the enforcement of the subpoena, which obliged President Richard Nixon to turn over the infamous tapes. Judge Sirica's decision ultimately led to President Nixon's resignation in 1974.

Giuseppe Garibaldi, who led Italy to unification in 1861, was offered a command as Major General in the Union Army by President Lincoln.

More than 100 Italian Americans served as OFFICERS in the Union forces during the Civil War.

Over 300,000 Italian Americans, including 87,000 Italian nationals, served in the U.S. military during World War I.

At least 39 Italian Americans have received the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor, the highest military award given by the U.S. government for bravery "above and beyond the call of duty:"

More than 1. 5 million Italian Americans served in World War II.

John Basilone is the only enlisted Marine in U.S. history to receive the nation's two highest military honors: the Navy Cross for valor and the U.S. Congressional Medal of Honor for his service in World War II.

Captain Don Gentile of the U.S. Army Air Force, shot down over 30 Nazi planes during World War II. Eisenhower called the 24-year-old pilot a "one-man Air Force" and personally pinned the Distinguished Service Cross on him.

by M. Cicconereply 27512/19/2012

Louis Prima

Three-time Academy Award winner Harry Warren

Mario Lanza. Rosa Ponselle.

Four-time Academy Award and 20-time Grammy and Gold Record winner Henry Mancini

Vic Damone (Vito Farinola); Dean Martin ( Dino Crocetti); Tony Bennett (Anthony Benedetto); Frankie Laine (Frank Lo Vecchio), Perry Como, Frankie Avalon (Frank Avalone), Bobby Rydell (Roberto Ridarelli), Connie Francis (Concetta Franconero), Bobby Darin (Walden Cassotto)

In 1998, Patricia Fili-Krushel became the president of ABC Television. and the first woman ever to head a major network.

At age 24, Bonnie Tiburzi became the first woman pilot in commercial aviation history.

In the early 1900s, Angela Bambace, an 18-year-old Italian American woman who worked in a shirtwaist factory in New York, organized the International Ladies' Garment Workers Union (ILGWU) in New York and Maryland. She was elected vice president of the ILGWU in 1956, becoming the first woman to penetrate the all-male leadership of the ILGWU. She retired in 1972.

The first woman ever to edit The Journal of the AmericanMedical Association (JAMA) in its 116-year history is Catherine De Angelis, M.D. Vice dean at Baltimore's Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, she became a nurse, then put herself through college and medical school.

Debra DiMaio was the six-time Emmy-winning producer of the Oprah Winfrey show.

In 1950, Dr. Margaret J. Giannini founded the Mental Retardation Institute in New York City, the first and largest facility for the mentally handicapped in the world.

The National Organization of Women (NOW) was turned around by Eleanor Cutri Smeal, who was elected president of the organization in 1970 and within two years made NOW the world's largest women's organization with 100,000 members.

In 1974, Betty Della Corte established one of the first battered women's shelter and treatment programs in the nation. Her Faith House Agencies in Glendale, Arizona have helped more than 30,000 women and children.

Maria Botto and her husband, Pietro opened their home in Haledon, New Jersey to 25,000 silk mill workers during the 1913 Paterson Silk Strike. The strike helped lay the groundwork for the eight-hour work day and better conditions for American workers. Today their 12-room Victorian is the American Labor Museum/Botto House, a national landmark.

Georgia O'Keeffe was of Italian descent. Her mother was Ida Totto and the artist was named for her maternal grandfather, Giorgio Totto, who was born in Italy.

by M. Cicconereply 27612/19/2012

You have mixed in too many gangsters and incompetents (Don DeLillo? OMG! My poodle writes better than he does).

You could do similar lists for any ethnic group.

by M. Cicconereply 27712/19/2012

I always knew if I waited long enough I'd be respectable!

by M. Cicconereply 27812/19/2012

Richard Grasso of the NYSE made a trip to Colombia to solicit cash from the drug cartels. What a prize.

by M. Cicconereply 27912/19/2012

Geraldine Ferrarro was certainly not the worst woman to run for national office

by M. Cicconereply 28012/19/2012

Charles Joseph Bonaparte was not Italian. Corsica was sold by Genoa to France in 1764.

by M. Cicconereply 28112/19/2012

Ferraro is described this way (wikipedia):

"was an American attorney, a Democratic Party politician, and a member of the United States House of Representatives. She was the first female Vice Presidential candidate representing a major American political party."

"Ferraro ran campaigns for a seat in the United States Senate from New York in 1992 and 1998, both times starting as the front-runner for her party's nomination before losing in the primary election. She served as a United States Ambassador to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights from 1993 until 1996, in the presidential administration of Bill Clinton. She also continued her career as a journalist, author, and businesswoman, and served in the 2008 presidential campaign of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton."

"Ferraro was born in Newburgh, New York,[1] the daughter of Antonetta L. Ferraro (née Corrieri), a first-generation Italian American seamstress, and Dominick Ferraro, an Italian immigrant and owner of two restaurants."

by M. Cicconereply 28212/19/2012


And so what? He was grandchild of Carlo Buonaparte and Letizia Ramolino.

by M. Cicconereply 28312/19/2012

Let's not forget David, Cicilline, former mayor of Providence, RI and openly gay.

by M. Cicconereply 28412/19/2012

Adam Lanza

Joe Bonano

Al Capone

The murderers of JFK and Marilyn Monroe

Joey Buttafucco

Amy Fisher, shooter of Mary Buttafucco

Boston Stranger

Crime, Inc.

The Sicilian cab driver that raped your great-grandmother

Yes, such an illustrious list!

by M. Cicconereply 28512/19/2012


LOL. Adam Lanza. Oh God...


Anyway...the fucking RENAISSANCE was begun by Italians.

I doubt that many of these names will be familiar to you... but do look them up. For staters:

Donatello, Leone Battista Alberti, Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo, Galileo Galilei, Lorenzo de' Medici, Raphael, Botticelli, Titian, Piero della Francesca, Brunelleschi, Andrea Palladio, Dante, Paolo Uccello...

by M. Cicconereply 28612/19/2012

There's a lot of self hatred on this thread.

by M. Cicconereply 28712/19/2012

I'm sure if this thread was about Jews or blacks it would have been shut down ages ago.

by M. Cicconereply 28812/19/2012

The Corsicans are ethnic Italians. Their dialect is one of the closest to Tuscan(the national language of Italy) if not the closest. Napoleon's mother's family was related to Genoa's nobility.

R285 Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK and he was a WASP yahoo! Who killed Marlyn? The Kennedys...Irish Catholics! Though JFK once claimed Italian ancestry believe it or not....

Sicilian cab driver? A person from Rome once told me you have Puerto Rico and we have Sicily!I still think both guys are hot.

Amy Fisher is half Jewish and half Italian.

The Boston Stranger. You mean the stranger that blew you in the middle of Harvard Square back in the 80s. The one whose name you didn't get....he wasn't Italian!

Adam Lanza. Wasn't he part Italian? Italians don't name their kids Adam. That's like an Italian who likes country music!

R286 Nice list.A few gays on that list too. Certain parts of Italy were very gay friendly for their time.People like the English and Germans were very gay while Florence was the San Francisco of its time.

by M. Cicconereply 28912/19/2012

One thing that I was not aware of on that list: Fiorello Enrico La Guardia governed NYC from 1931 and until 1944!

And the 1950 election was between 3 Italian-Americans.

So between the years 1931 and 1954, NYC was governed by an Italian American for a total of 17 years.

by M. Cicconereply 29012/19/2012

I'm Italian-American so I know that most IA's wipe back-to-front.

All the IA women get nose jobs and all the IA men are on the down-low.

I like to keep it real.

by M. Cicconereply 29112/19/2012

On DL it's called self-loathing, not self-hatred.

by M. Cicconereply 29212/19/2012

Rosario Candela: the architect of NYCs most elegant apartment houses:

41 Fifth Avenue , 775 Park Avenue, 884 Fifth Avenue, 990 Fifth Avenue, 856 5th Avenue, One Sutton Place South, 4 Sutton Place, 25 Sutton Place, 30 Sutton Place, 360 Central Park West, 1 Gracie Square, 14 Sutton Place South, 1192 Park Avenue, 720 Park Avenue, 1105 Park Avenue, 1220 Park Avenue, 770 Park Avenue, 1040 Fifth Avenue, 1021 Park Avenue, 834 Fifth Avenue, 2 Beekman Place, 955 Fifth Avenue

Anna Moffo

Arturo Toscanini

Francesco Scavullo

Robert Venturi (architect)

Samuel J. Palmisano chairman and CEO of IBM, Patricia Russo CEO of Lucent Technologies, Robert Nardelli - Chairman & CEO of Chrysler, Nick Donofrio - Executive Vice President of Innovation and Technology at the IBM Corporation, Giorgio DeLuca - founder of Dean & DeLuca,

Dr. Andrew Viterbi (born 1935), billionaire, cofounder of Qualcomm, inventor of the Viterbi algorithm

Anthony Fauci, immunologist contributing to research in the areas of AIDS and other immunodeficiencies

Robert Charles Gallo: best known for his role in the discovery of the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the infectious agent responsible for acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS), and he has been a major contributor to subsequent HIV research.

Franco Modigliani MIT economics professor and winner of the 1985 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics

L. Jay Oliva former President of New York University

Ken Auletta, writer/journalist and media critic for The New Yorker

Mario Puzo

Frank Borzage, first person to win the Academy Award for Directing, for Seventh Heaven

Nancy Pelosi, the first woman in U.S. history to hold the office of Speaker of the United States House of Representatives

Antonio Meucci (born 1808) credited by the Congress of the United States with the invention of the telephone.

by M. Cicconereply 29312/19/2012

Lady Gaga


Al Pacino

Martin Scorsese

Vincent Minnelli

Alan Alda

Kaye Ballard

Paul Sorvino

Paula Prentiss ( Paula Ragusa)

Ben Gazzara

Morgana King (Maria Grazia Morgana Messina DeBerardini)

Frank Langella

Anne Bancroft (Anna Maria Louisa Italiano)

Bernadette Peters ( Bernadette Lazzara)

Patti Lupone

Joy Behar (Josephina Ochiuto)

Steve Van Zandt (Steven Lento)

Jay Leno

Jack Scalia (Giacomo Tomaso Tedesco)

by M. Cicconereply 29412/20/2012

Add Jimmy Kimmel to that list, his mom's Italian.

Matthew Fox too. His mom is an Italian girl from Pennsylvania.

by M. Cicconereply 29512/20/2012

R294 you forgot De Niro!

by M. Cicconereply 29612/20/2012

There are lots of half-breeds: Springsteen, Leo diCaprio come to mind.


Enrico Fermi: particularly known for his work on the development of the first nuclear reactor, Chicago Pile-1, and for his contributions to the development of quantum theory, nuclear and particle physics, and statistical mechanics. He was awarded the 1938 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on induced radioactivity, and became a naturalized American citizen in 1944.

Fermi is widely regarded as one of the leading scientists of the 20th century, highly accomplished in both theory and experiment. Along with J. Robert Oppenheimer, he is frequently referred to as "the father of the atomic bomb". He also held several patents related to the use of nuclear power.

Several awards, concepts, and institutions are named after Fermi, such as the Enrico Fermi Award, the Enrico Fermi Institute, the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory, the Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope, the Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station, a class of particles called fermions, the synthetic element fermium, and many more.

Giuseppe Mario Bellanca: was an Italian-American airplane designer and builder who created the first enclosed cabin monoplane in the United States in 1922.

Enea Bossi, Sr.: Italian-American aerospace engineer and aviation pioneer. He is best known for designing the Budd BB-1 Pioneer, the first stainless steel aircraft; and also the Pedaliante airplane, disputably credited with the first fully human-powered flight.

Gerard J. Foschini: Within the telecommunications engineering field, he is best known for his invention of Bell Laboratories Layered Space-Time (BLAST).[

by M. Cicconereply 29712/20/2012

[r296] DeNiro is only a quarter Italian. He identifies as such because he was very close to his paternal grandfather.

by M. Cicconereply 29812/20/2012

Italian-American Salvatore Guaragna (aka Harry Warren) wrote the music for 42nd Street, and received three Academy Awards for Best Song.

His songs include: "Lullaby of Broadway", "You'll Never Know", "On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe", " "I Only Have Eyes for You", ""At Last" ""You're Getting to Be a Habit with Me"

The magnificent:

"The More I See You"

And one of the most beautiful songs of all time:

"There Will Never Be Another You"

by M. Cicconereply 29912/20/2012

Sutton Place south. What a fucking dump.

by M. Cicconereply 30012/20/2012

Rosario Candela's 1 Sutton Place was home to Bill Blass, John Fairchild...

Some more info and photos of the dump that it is:

by M. Cicconereply 30112/21/2012

I've tricked there doll, I know what it's like.

by M. Cicconereply 30212/21/2012

Well, R294, some of those people you mentioned are only half Italian or less.

by M. Cicconereply 30312/21/2012

[r303] Most are 100%

by M. Cicconereply 30412/21/2012

Joy Behar makes "The View" unwatchable for me. She thinks she's funny, and it seems the audience dutifully laughs. Love most Italian actors.

The ones I know personally, have been for the most part, nice. There's a neighbor who I thouht was one hundred percent straight; but, slowly he starts coming out with his filthy words about gays, then it was more often. Ugh! The guy would break cameras, so to speak, but he acts like he thinks he's attractive. (Now if he was, I wouldn't be as offended.)

by M. Cicconereply 30512/21/2012

R303: in my long list there are a few, but only a few.

The vast majority are 100% Eye-talian.

And even those few half-breeds, identify themselves as Italian. Not... uh..... as Irish or German or whatever... they usually identify themselves as Italian.

by M. Cicconereply 30612/21/2012

R302 Gee... there's an apartment at 1 Sutton on the market at the moment for 18 million.

Tell us about your place.

by M. Cicconereply 30712/21/2012

R307=boring social climber. I can't wait to see your type rounded up and guillotined. It's only a matter of time.

by M. Cicconereply 30812/22/2012

Up for original thread.

by M. Cicconereply 30904/06/2013

they like spaghetti,

by M. Cicconereply 31004/06/2013

them there ultra hairy italians aint no better then any other low life dirt bag knuckle drager .

n y c, gots a big diversived pot of venom over there. Mega tons of pompus , self rightous pigs.

by M. Cicconereply 31103/01/2014

There's a cute Italian guy at work, but I can't tell if he's gay or not. I wish I saw him around more so I could get to know him better.

by M. Cicconereply 31203/01/2014

Are Italian stereotypes true? Should I give up on my crush in the cute guy I see walking his Shiba Inu?

by M. Cicconereply 31302/24/2015

Racist to the bone.

by M. Cicconereply 31402/24/2015

[quote]Racist to the bone.

You can say that again.

by M. Cicconereply 31502/24/2015

Anyone here dated or fucked an Italian-American?

by M. Cicconereply 31604/27/2015

No one, R316.

by M. Cicconereply 31704/27/2015
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