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Breaking News: General Petraeus Resigns as CIA Director.... Part II

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by Anonymousreply 40311/23/2012

I made popcorn...settling in for more revelations.

by Anonymousreply 111/13/2012

[quote]The reason being (for the female theory) was the use of the pronoun "her" or "she" with regards to the agent in one of the reports. Should have put that in my original post.

Oh Boy, if that's true, and the FBI agent was female, the Republicans won't have the first clue how to deal with this shitstorm.

by Anonymousreply 211/13/2012

I wonder why we haven't seen a picture if the FBI agent yet.

by Anonymousreply 311/13/2012

[quote]Oh Boy, if that's true, and the FBI agent was female, the Republicans won't have the first clue how to deal with this shitstorm.

Outraged in public, jerking off in private.

by Anonymousreply 411/13/2012

Plus it makes more sense using "topless". Hmmmm, I hope it's true. Since the FBI agent is the one who got the ball rolling.

by Anonymousreply 511/13/2012

I thought female when I read it at one point, then I read it again and thought male.

by Anonymousreply 611/13/2012

Watching [italic]Hardball[/italic]—Chris Matthews thinks the FBI agent is male ...

by Anonymousreply 711/13/2012

Lesbian Drama!

by Anonymousreply 811/13/2012

The federal agent who launched the investigation that eventually led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus was taken off the case during the summer over concerns that he "might have grown obsessed with the matter," The Wall Street Journal reports.

HE.

Men are shirtless. Women are topless.

by Anonymousreply 911/13/2012

Who the fuck cares about a shirtless dude? Really. Yawn.

We want it to be a FEMALE agent to really send the rethugs over the edge.

by Anonymousreply 1011/13/2012

Shirtless FBI Tea Party Sympathizer Responsible For Petraeus' Downfall

by Anonymousreply 1111/13/2012

Updated: Petraeus, Rove, and Paula Broadwell: I Smell A Rat

by Anonymousreply 1211/13/2012

r9 this agent was in intelligence according to many sources, including a former Asst Dir of the Bureau.

Notice how everyone else is being named here, and Agent Shirtless is not?

There might be good reason for not IDing the person.

Also, who says "shirtless" for dick pics? The phrase would have been something like "inappropriate pictures of himself" or similar.

Assume this agent is female and the whole thing does reek of lesbian drama. Also notice no specific allegations (places, compromising e-mail convos, etc.) have been leaked on Gen Allen. I know it's early, but still, it doesn't fit with the pace of revelations about the other players.

It's power jockeying using sex between the two women.

by Anonymousreply 1311/13/2012

Gossip Extra is now reporting that the Tampa socialite who started it all - and her doctor husband - are broke and facing foreclosure. . .

by Anonymousreply 1411/13/2012

yes, R14, i read that there are 4 lawsuits pending against them and they owe the bank millions.

by Anonymousreply 1511/13/2012

Jill Kelley & husband "ran questionable charity"

One would thing the FBI,Pentagon & CIA would limit her access to leaders with her and her husbands bad debt issues and numerous lawsuits

by Anonymousreply 1611/13/2012

Here are 911 recordings of Jill Kelley calling the police on reporters standing outside her house (and refusing to identify them as such until the very end).

by Anonymousreply 1711/13/2012

Jill Kelley's vanity plate.

by Anonymousreply 1811/13/2012

Twin Florida socialites who are at the centre of the David Petraeus affair gained intimate access to America's military and political elite through their high-rolling lifestyles even as they quietly racked up millions of dollars in debts and credit card bills.

Jill Kelley, whose complaint over threatening emails prompted the FBI inquiry that has ensnared two top generals, is mired in lawsuits from a string of banks totalling $4 million (£2.5 million), court filings obtained by The Daily Telegraph in Florida show.

Meanwhile Mrs Kelley's identical twin Natalie Khawam – who obtained testimonies to her good character from both Gen Petraeus and Gen John Allen during her own separate legal battle – declared herself bankrupt earlier this year with liabilities of $3.6 million, filings show.

The 37-year-old sisters have emerged as central players in the saga gripping Washington's national security establishment since Mrs Kelley was named as the "second woman" allegedly harassed by jealous emails from Paula Broadwell, Gen Petraeus's biographer and mistress.

They also have direct links to Florida's highest political circles, The Daily Telegraph has learned. [bold]Miss Khawam once dated Charlie Crist, the state's former governor, a Republican source said, while Pam Bondi, its Attorney General and a close ally of Mitt Romney, attended a function at Mrs Kelley's home.[/bold]

The sisters are also believed to have attended the farewell party for Sir Nigel Sheinwald, the former British ambassador to the US, in Washington last year. Peter King, a Republican congressman for New York who was at the event, told CNN yesterday that he had met Mrs Kelley at "one or two events at the British embassy". An embassy spokesman declined to check, saying that it would take too much time.

Mrs Kelley, a mother-of-three and unpaid "social liaison" for the US military in Tampa, is said to have spared no expense at such parties to honour top brass stationed at nearby US Central Command. She was pictured at one event at her $1.2 million mansion in 2010 with Gen Petraeus, who arrived in a 28-man police motorcycle escort.

Guests at Mrs Kelley's parties were treated to lavish buffets, drank champagne and puffed on cigars while being entertained by string quartets, according to insider accounts.

Yet she and her husband Scott, a surgeon, were soon being sued for $1.9 million by Central Bank after allegedly failing to keep up with mortgage payments on a house they bought after starting their own property company. A similar $1.8 million property lawsuit from Regions Bank followed soon after.

Later in the year, Regions Bank filed another claim against the Kelleys for $453,000, before Bank of America sued Mrs Kelley for $25,000 in allegedly unpaid credit card charges. All four cases remain open. The banks' lawyers declined to comment. Mrs Kelley's attorney did not return a request for comment.

"There are obviously financial issues," said one associate of the Kelleys.

[bold]"Scott goes to work and works his ass off, and Jill takes care of the social stuff, and gets them into the society pages. They are nice people, and I feel sorry for them".[/bold] (!!!!!!!!!)

The sisters grew up in Pennsylvania, the daughters of a couple who emigrated to the US from Lebanon during the 1970s. Their parents, who had two other children, owned a middle-eastern restaurant and a vehicle registration firm, records suggest.

"They are active in the G.O.P. social scene in Florida," said a Republican source. "They are fun, friendly and beautiful people and political folks like them. I guess they've hit difficult times". [bold]After being given a certificate at one event naming her an "honorary ambassador", Mrs Kelley is said to have begun using the title without the "honorary" prefix.[/bold]

by Anonymousreply 1911/13/2012

The UK Daily Mail uses "topless" for shirtless males.

by Anonymousreply 2011/13/2012

"They also have direct links to Florida's highest political circles...."

I wonder if they knew Mohammed Atta.

by Anonymousreply 2211/13/2012

Oh for fuck sake, R22. You are such a moron.

Do you think that made sense outside of your stupid head?

Did you know Jeffrey Dahmer?

by Anonymousreply 2311/13/2012

Kelley serves as an unpaid social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, and from October 2008 to June 2010, Petraeus was commander of the United States Central Command, based in Tampa.

Petraeus staffers told the Associated Press that Kelley and her husband were regular guests at events he held at Central Command headquarters.

A U.S. official said the coalition countries represented at Central Command gave Kelley an appreciation certificate on which she was referred to as an "honorary ambassador" to the coalition, but she has no official status and is not employed by the U.S. government, according to the Associated Press.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So was she a madam? A link to high-rollers for military brass and their post-retirement lives? A conduit for her husband, wink, wink?

I mean, WTH is an "unpaid social liaison" and how does one become it?

by Anonymousreply 2411/13/2012

I wonder if the bankrupt Kelley gals thought this might lead to a reality TV show? They seem like the type, like they are like Florida's version of the Kardashians, only far less attractive.

by Anonymousreply 2511/13/2012

[quote]I mean, WTH is an "unpaid social liaison" and how does one become it?

Bored housewife looking to seem important.

by Anonymousreply 2611/13/2012

It does sound weird, r23, I know. Sorry. I'm just alluding to how Florida was home to many of those accused of the 9/11 hijacking, and that they were seen on some Florida politico's boat.

Yeah, it's a bizarre stretch.

by Anonymousreply 2811/13/2012

We already have The Real Housewives of Miami...they will do.

by Anonymousreply 2911/13/2012

[quote]The sisters grew up in Pennsylvania, the daughters of a couple who emigrated to the US from Lebanon during the 1970s. Their parents, who had two other children, owned a middle-eastern restaurant and a vehicle registration firm, records suggest.

I'll admit I'm watching too much HOMELAND, but that really makes the alarm bells ring in my head when the women involved are screwing the head of the CIA and our top general.

by Anonymousreply 3011/13/2012

[quote]I wonder if the bankrupt Kelley gals thought this might lead to a reality TV show? They seem like the type, like they are like Florida's version of the Kardashians, only far less attractive.

My thoughts, too. I'm wondering if one (or both) of them were planning on writing some books or selling some info to the tabs.

Thirty-seven years old and the stupid rethug bitches are $3.2 million in debt? Figures.

by Anonymousreply 3111/13/2012

Wasn't Holly Golightly an "unpaid social liason"?

by Anonymousreply 3211/13/2012

They're Lebanese Catholics. I've known one in my life, the guy who was married to my godmother. Technically my godfather, but the connection was through her. He was quite religious and started attending Traditional Catholic Latin Mass long before people heard about these people through Mel Gibson and the Opus Dei crowd. It's been about 30 years and I don't recall if he had political conversations with my father. But if his religion was that extreme, his politics were probably aligned.

by Anonymousreply 3311/13/2012

were they madams?

by Anonymousreply 3411/13/2012

How can I volunteer to be an unpaid social liason at my local air force base?

by Anonymousreply 3511/13/2012

If she was "unpaid" doesn't that make her a slut?

by Anonymousreply 3611/13/2012

[quote]I'll admit I'm watching too much HOMELAND, but that really makes the alarm bells ring in my head

Then turn off the television before you also think Zombies are coming to get you, dimwit.

If someone is of Arab descent, that doesn't mean they're automatically Muslim. Her family is Christian.

Let's take it a step further since you obviously think "Arab" and "Muslim" are interchangeable: She's clearly a member of Hezbollah who knew about Benghazi and was planted by Iran because when else would you even know Arabs existed in this country unless they were part of some sleeper cell? And just to confuse you further, John Sununu is also of Arab descent. Clearly his clownish behavior was part of a plot to get Obama re-elected so that he sets up a Caliphate in DC.

It really makes sense that the woman who has officially embarrassed herself and her family is a part of plot to take down the American govt. Knowing she and her husband are in financial debt was part of the plan to throw everyone off.

It couldn't just be the most obvious answer: She's a middle-aged woman who got off on the guys in uniform and in positions of authority giving her attention, and Broadwell got "catty" over it.

by Anonymousreply 3711/13/2012

ABC ran a pic of Broadwell, with the book titled All up in my snatch. Lol. Whoops..

by Anonymousreply 3811/13/2012

It sounds like the Kelleys operated a non-for-profit cancer charity for a short amount of time and used whatever seed money they received to finance their lavish lifestyle and social climb. From the HuffPo link posted above:

[quote]From the records, it appears that the charity fell far short of its mission. While the origins of the seed money used to start the charity in 2007 are unclear, financial records reviewed by The Huffington Post reveal that the group spent all of its money not on research, but on parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees.

[quote]By the end of 2007, the charity had gone bankrupt, having conveniently spent exactly the same amount of money, $157,284, as it started with -- not a dollar more, according to its 990 financial form. Of that, $43,317 was billed as "Meals and Entertainment," $38,610 was assigned to "Travel," another $25,013 was spent on legal fees, and $8,822 went to "Automotive Expenses."

[quote]The Kelleys also listed smaller expenses that appear excessive for a charity operating from a private home, including $12,807 for office expenses and supplies, and $7,854 on utilities and telephones.

[quote]Jill Kelley's sister, Natalie Khawam, was listed as the only other officer of the charity. This past April, Khawam filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, listing more than $3.6 million in liabilities, including $53,000 owed to the Internal Revenue Service and $800,000 owed to her sister and brother-in-law.

A big, big THANK YOU! to Agent Shirtless for helping to expose these immoral, feckless REPUBLICAN scammers to the the citizenry.

So ironic that the lovelorn, nutter agent with teabagger inclinations and paranoia about Obama of all people, helped to bring down respected Republican establishment figures. Who knows what more is to come.

I wonder if this type of activity is what Paula Broadwell's father is referring to when he said that there was much more coming out. Maybe Broadwell saw through the Kelleys BS and their operation and in her zeal tried to warn Jill Kelley off the general so that his reputation wouldn't be tarnished by association. I could see a woman in love doing that. And maybe she was spot on about her concerns about Jill Kelley. It's starting to look like it.

by Anonymousreply 3911/13/2012

When Mrs. Kelley is referred to as a "friend of the family", that implies that she's pals with Mrs. Petraeus as well as with Gen. Petraeus. Mrs. P seems too well-bred to have much in common with Mrs. K, & I doubt that they're friends.

by Anonymousreply 4011/13/2012

It wasn't ABC, it was ABC's Denver-affiliate. And yeah, funny as hell:

by Anonymousreply 4111/13/2012

I need some new twists and turns! Keep posting!

by Anonymousreply 4211/13/2012

OMG! DL has never given me a bigger laugh on DL!

by Anonymousreply 4311/13/2012

Well, this *does* have everything trashy that we love. The only thing we seem to be missing is a "tasteful friends" thread on the digs involved.

by Anonymousreply 4411/13/2012

Somebody on NPR made a good point today about the emails. Each "page" is probably an attached reply, meaning the first reply is one "page", another email with the reply back attached would be three pages...etc. The actual number of emails is probably only 100-200 over the course of the year or so...

by Anonymousreply 4511/13/2012

Now, this is what "Army Wives" should've been like.

by Anonymousreply 4611/13/2012

And the replies could like be a sentence or two like texting - easy to climb to thousands

by Anonymousreply 4711/13/2012

Of course, there are the confidentiality messages that appear at the bottom of govt. e-mail and that it's intended to be seen only by the recipient, yada, yada...

by Anonymousreply 4811/13/2012

And they didn't want gays to serve in the military . . .

by Anonymousreply 4911/13/2012

OMG RACHEL MADDOW IS LITERALLY WEARING A TINFOIL HAT and talking about this issue right now.

by Anonymousreply 5011/13/2012

Love. Rachel.

What will the next conspiracy be since Rep-led Congress/committee -not Obama- gets to decide if they want Petraeus to testify.

FOX is pathetic. They haven't learned a fucking thing from election day.

by Anonymousreply 5111/13/2012

I just took my TV into the repair shop this afternoon. I rarely watch TV, but this is one time I would be dying to watch Rachel. Shoot. The clips will be on the website later on.

by Anonymousreply 5211/13/2012

Diane Feinstien wants Petraeus to testify.

by Anonymousreply 5311/13/2012

WillAtWork(TRMS web dude) jus tweeted:

‏@WillAtWork I'm entertaining conspiracy theories about why #Maddow tinfoil hat has two floppy antennas. #DeluxModel?

by Anonymousreply 5411/13/2012

Maddow is doing a segment on the history of the FBI's relationship with Presidents and congress right now.

Title: "OMG Men"

by Anonymousreply 5511/13/2012

[quote]I just took my TV into the repair shop this afternoon

The repair shop?!!

by Anonymousreply 5611/13/2012

What do we know about James Clapper?

by Anonymousreply 5711/13/2012

[quote]Joan Walsh @joanwalsh OK, @lawrence is all in (sorry) on the oddness of Petraeus and Allen helping Jill Kelley's sister with her custody battle - and so am I

So am I. If this happened to someone you know in your average, everyday life, most people would not be willing to get involved in a case like Petraeus and Allen were for Kelley's SISTER. It may only be that both of them were fucking the sister, but it's definitely a lot more than just normal, friendship behavior.

by Anonymousreply 5811/13/2012

Fuck, why can't any of my stupid Real Housewives franchises be as exciting as this?

by Anonymousreply 5911/13/2012

Natalie Khawam's Ex was Grayson Wolfe who was once the Manager for Private Sector Development for the Coalition Provisinal Authority in Iraq

by Anonymousreply 6011/13/2012

As I read about Agent Shirtless and the Kelleys, I am reminded of the immortal words of Deep Throat: "These people aren't very bright. Things got out of hand! "

R1, if we were on Facebook, I'd "like" you!

by Anonymousreply 6111/13/2012

Paula Blackwell's still current North Carolina drivers license was found today - by a jogger -in Rock Creek Park, in Washington, DC.

by Anonymousreply 6211/13/2012

All of them witches!

by Anonymousreply 6311/13/2012

Isn't Rock Creek Park the place they found the body of that girl who was fucking then-Congressman Gary Condit?

by Anonymousreply 6411/13/2012

Can someone fill me in on the significance of Broadwell's driver's licence? There have been so many over-the-top developments in this whole thing that I must've missed something.

by Anonymousreply 6511/13/2012

Yes- Rock Creek is where the girl's body was found

And -I meant Broadwell, not Blackwell

by Anonymousreply 6611/13/2012

[quote]"Scott goes to work and works his ass off, and Jill takes care of the social stuff, and gets them into the society pages. They are nice people, and I feel sorry for them".

He's not a nice person and I don't feel sorry for that shady, entitled, rageaholic.

by Anonymousreply 6711/13/2012

flowchart

by Anonymousreply 6811/14/2012

Thank you so much r68. I was seriously going to ask for help. I'm losing track on who/what is going on.

by Anonymousreply 6911/14/2012

Charlie Crist, who dated Natalie at some point, has been left off the chart. Understandable since there are so many details and players.

by Anonymousreply 7011/14/2012

A few people on the talk shows tonight - MSNBC, Al Gore's Current channel, and/or CNN and maybe Fox too - think that the Kelley twin sisters, particularly Jill Kelley, need to be investigated in case they are foreign agents working as operatives for other countries, and seducing our armed forces and generals.

by Anonymousreply 7111/14/2012

Weird shit. I think this is bigger than we know. I'm with r71, this is some kind of infiltration. Jill Kelly's husband is in on it too. It's one giant whorehouse for classified info.

by Anonymousreply 7211/14/2012

Most likely it's the other way around, r71.

This is the grey area that makes good, career agents apoplectic.

A lot of people are drawn to power, particularly women who wouldn't be in those circles by other means (education, career merit, birth, etc.).

The alphabet agencies use them to bolster their information gathering abroad or keep channels open with strategic nationals/countries.

The problem is that, while they might be used and even paid by, say the CIA, they are not actually agents.

Often, they are glorified social climbers who are more trouble than they are worth. Eventually, they are embroiled in political extortion within political circles.

Many intelligence veterans have complained for years that the elitist, political social climbing had compromised the community's ability to function.

In fairness, this is not limited to America. The British are even worse, with their class system. Sir Anthony Blunt is a case in point.

by Anonymousreply 7311/14/2012

Not even the flow chart helps . . . . this is crazy.

by Anonymousreply 7411/14/2012

Apparently, the fallout from the scandal surrounding former CIA Director David Petraeus hasn't yet reached the nadir of its weirdness. Paula Broadwell, the author of a biography of the former four-star general and Petraeus' alleged mistress, is shacked up in Mount Pleasant.

Tonight, the neighborhood known for its community pot-lucks and do-it-yourself aesthetes is also a magnet for peering reporters and television cameras. Broadwell is apparently staying in a home on the 1800 block of Park Road NW, not too far from Rock Creek Park, where earlier today a jogger found Broadwell's driver's license.

Broadwell, née Kranz, is reputedly staying at the home of her brother. The house currently being watched by all these journalists is titled to Stephen P. Kranz.

After hearing about the brewing stakeout from a friend who lives on nearby Monroe Street, a colleague and ventured down the winding alleyway between Park and Monroe. About halfway down, we encountered a pair of television cameramen, each employed by a major broadcast network, and a reporter from the New York Post. Over a fence was the back of the roughly 4,000-square-foot house with the ground- and third-floor lights dimmed. Occasionally we'd see a body pass through the kitchen.

One of the cameramen told us that Broadwell and her family ate dinner downstairs earlier in the evening. But most of the time we were in the alley, the cameras were off. The most commotion came from some creature—probably a raccoon—rustling in the leaves behind the fence. No one expected Broadwell to come out and make a statement; one cameraman joked he was thinking of getting a quote from the raccoon.

There was a brief bit of action when a slender woman walked through the kitchen. Broadwell? Perhaps, though the lights remained off. It was getting cold, and my friend and I decided to bail. The network cameramen, however, were there for a while. One gets off at midnight, the other is there overnight. "At this point, it's more about tracking her movements," one of them told me.

Back on Park Road, we found a few more camera operators, including one from WUSA9, who said the stakeout began two or three days ago. The local cameraman and another from ABC News shared with us their caution to not get too invasive on tracking Broadwell. Finally, we saw a genuine Mount Pleasant sight: A man, wearing a polar fleece sweater, walking his dog in the frosty evening. He told me the whole scene is pretty funny.

But the passerby also clued us in on a neat fact about the house. Inane as this whole Petraeus-Broadwell-Gen. John Allen-Jill Kelley-jealous FBI agent affair is, this house being swarmed by camera crews is also home to a bit of D.C. history.

In 1950, two years after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down neighborhood covenants restricting home ownership on the basis of race, the house was purchased by Dr. Robert Deane, who was black. Some residents in then-all-white Mount Pleasant sued to block the sale, but their complaint was thrown out. The sale went through, and Deane lived there until his death in 2001.

by Anonymousreply 7511/14/2012

The limbless Iraqi orphans feel for the General and his dick.

by Anonymousreply 7611/14/2012

R75, they had the lights on in the house for a while tonight because one of the talk shows tonight showed Paula Broadwell standing by an island in the house drinking a glass of red wine and wearing a bright dark pink top.

The cameramen took the clip right thru the kitchen window.

by Anonymousreply 7711/14/2012

Don't these people know about curtains?

by Anonymousreply 7811/14/2012

I cannot figure out who takes care of Paula Broadwell's two children while she spends a year or two embedded with Petraeus in Afghanistan and while she spent extended time visiting 60 countries during her 10 years serving in the army.

It seems like she spent a year with Petraeus in Afghanistan as a biographer (not serving in the army) and that she didn't even bother to come home during that year. Even if she did come home for a visit or two, what about the two kids?

Does anyone know the ages of her two kids?

I know her husband is a radiologist so there's no way he takes care of them on his own.

by Anonymousreply 7911/14/2012

Patraeus and company...these people invloved in this scandal are like teenagers writing 20,000 to 30,000 emails to each other. Who the hell does that?

Do they not have a life? Do they not have enough to do like running the military, monitoring terrorism and ending the war?

Apparently, they weren't working much at all for all of their so-called expertise and the enormous amount of money they're being paid.

by Anonymousreply 8011/14/2012

Paula and Karl, besties.

by Anonymousreply 8111/14/2012

I've also found Fox News' flow chart of events helpful.

by Anonymousreply 8211/14/2012

r79 well she lets us in on the rank of her priorities in life for us with her Twitter bio:

[quote]Author (All In: The Education of Gen David Petraeus); National Security Analyst; Army Vet; Women's Rights Activist; Runner/Skier/Surfer; Wife; Mom!

Peaches comes first.

by Anonymousreply 8311/14/2012

I just looked up the ages of the two children - they are little kids!

from today's NYDaily News:

The couple has two sons, ages 4 and 6. "They have adorable children," said a woman who lives on the block.

by Anonymousreply 8411/14/2012

Who cares about the kids. Men serve away from the family all the time.

by Anonymousreply 8511/14/2012

I was refering to when Paula Broadwell was no longer serving in the army, and chose to spend at least a year with Petraeus in Afghanistan.

Most women would not choose to be away from such little kids for such a long time.

Her being with Petraeus in Afghanistan for a year or whatever as his biographer was strictly voluntary on her part.

by Anonymousreply 8611/14/2012

Ok fine, take away the word "serve" and put Job. Lots of men do it for their job but no one questions them.

by Anonymousreply 8711/14/2012

Not to mention, even when men are serving away from their kids, they usually have a wife at home to take care of them. Or one that is at least home more than the man is.

Paula's husband doesn't have a 9-5 job. Even though he isn't traipsing around the world glued to the lead spy's cock, he isn't raising them either, so who is?

It's also odd that she'd choose to have a second kid when she obviously has little to no interest in the first one.

by Anonymousreply 8811/14/2012

She thanked her mother in the foreword of the book for taking care of the kids when she was embedded. Her stints weren't continuous I don't think.

by Anonymousreply 8911/14/2012

How do you know her husband doesn't work a 9 to 5 job?

He's a radiologist.

by Anonymousreply 9011/14/2012

R85 R87, you are dimwitted and have a low IQ

by Anonymousreply 9111/14/2012

Broadwell had a ghost writer for the bio!!!

by Anonymousreply 9211/14/2012

If Rock Creek Park was where another alleged woman who was having an affair with a high-ranking politician's body showed up, then Paula Broadwell's driver's license showing up there - probably stolen from her first - sounds like an implicit thread. "Back off or else..." It reads as "sending a message" kind of psy-ops.

by Anonymousreply 9311/14/2012

The children r91! Those poor children!

by Anonymousreply 9411/14/2012

Women. Military. Colonels. Menopause. Trouble.

by Anonymousreply 9511/14/2012

Could someone please summarize why a gov't employee having an affair is actually a problem that reflects on his job?

by Anonymousreply 9611/14/2012

I was going to say the same thing about her husband - he's a radiologist. He has easy hours and good pay. Anyway do we know that she was overseas for a full year straight? Double standards for women as usual.

She's a runner - she did an Ironman for gods sake - she probably lost her license running in the park.

[quote] when a slender woman walked through the kitchen

THIS is why I almost always keep my curtains closed. I need to be able to walk around in my underwear without film crews catching me.

You have to listen to the calls to the police to get the annoying press to leave their Tampa manse. Jilly Gurl claims she has diplomatic protection on account of that ambassadorship and all and that her house is inviolable. LOL! She thinks her house is a SANCTUARY!!!

Neither she nor her husband even mention that it is reporters that are on their lawn or knocking at their door. So the police think it's a home invasion type thing until finally one operator who must realize who she is after all their calls asks if it's the press.

She sounds like she has a Long Island or NJ accent. Very common sounding. And that's exactly what she looks like.

by Anonymousreply 9711/14/2012

I date a radiologist. They don't work when they don't want to work.

by Anonymousreply 9811/14/2012

All of this really couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.

by Anonymousreply 9911/14/2012

Why are the Kelley's lawyering up?

Jill sent thousands of (pages of) emails to a four star General. Flirted with another. Maybe had an affair - but he denies it. But even if she did, so what?

Why the heck is she retaining some of the most expensive, high powered legal talent (and has not even been charged with a crime)?

Any ideas??

by Anonymousreply 10011/14/2012

Looks like the women are following in the footsteps of Pamela Harriman? Get under a good man and work your way up?

by Anonymousreply 10111/14/2012

damn

by Anonymousreply 10211/14/2012

The affair between Petraeus and Paula started in Oct or Nov 2011 and went until four months ago.

So Paula must have traveled from Charlotte, NC pretty much all the time to meet up with Petraeus in Washington DC.

Petraeus has been living in suburban Virginia right outside of DC since he became CIA Director in Sept 2011.

I doubt that he traveled to Charlotte much if at all to spend time with Paula.

So I'm thinking Paula must have made a whole bunch of trips between Charlotte and DC over the last year.

by Anonymousreply 10311/14/2012

[quote]Somebody on NPR made a good point today about the emails. Each "page" is probably an attached reply, meaning the first reply is one "page", another email with the reply back attached would be three pages...etc. The actual number of emails is probably only 100-200 over the course of the year or so...

This makes a lot more sense than there actually having been 30,000 emails, because, as a commenter on crooksandliars worked out, sending 30,000 emails over a two year period works out like this:

[quote]52 weeks a year * 5 work days a week = 260 workdays a year --> 260 days * 8 hours per day = 2080 hours per year --> 2080 hours * 60 minutes per hour = 124,800 minutes per year --> 124,800 * 2 years = 249,600 minutes for 2 years --> 249,600 divided by 30,000 emails = 1 email every 8.32 minutes for 2 solid years.

by Anonymousreply 10411/14/2012

So when do the Democrats get serious about this and use it as a hammer to get Cantor?

Imagine the spin if Cantor were a Democrat. Fox News would be accusing him of a cover-up that bordered on treason. The man had information vital to national security, information that potentially put the lives of our proud men and women of the military in danger, information given to him by a heroic FBI Agent, and information he failed to act on.

Hell, they would have called for his resignation already, and they would talking about criminal prosecution. Why aren't we doing it?

by Anonymousreply 10511/14/2012

Ok. At first, the bells rang about timing, etc.. Then, it became quite amusing and easy to ignore the fact that something wasn't adding up. But the logistics don't add up. I am no longer buying it.

Something else is going on. The Tampa twins don't make sense. How is it that both of them just happened to make their way to Tampa and in only a short period of time, got access onto what should be the most secure base in the U.S. This base is where all the Special Forces Operations are commanded across all divisions. That means Navy SEALs, DELTA FORCE, etc... This is using where they monitor ALL Special Forces missions. These women could have easily been able to identify and photo these men, when they keep their identifies hidden. Even more, it was stated that Petraus had DAILY email and IM conversations with Jill while in Afghanistan. Why? She also had an enormous amount of correspondence (2000 pages?) with the replacing General. How is that possible when you should barely even know these people? It takes years and years to develop close relationships before you can have that type of interaction, yet this woman would have only seen them sparsely, while on their way to or from an assignment and back to their home base. And a reminder - she was NOT paid, did not have another job and has 3 kids. Where were her kids while she was spending so much time? Daycare? Cause small kids take an enormous amount of time and unless you have them in daycare, someone has to care for them and take them to all of their activities. Did they come along with her to the base. Again, logistically, it doesn't make sense.

Secondly, Broadwell does not hold herself as someone who would passive-aggressively send emails. It would seem that she would confront the woman herself and tell her to back off with her flirtations, as she was making the Generals uncomfortable and drawing unnecessary attention. I think she is taking the fall for something else.

Also, let's not forget that a lot details are being leaked to the Press that shouldn't be. These are CIA and four star Generals. None of this should be in the press.

I think is all being leaked for another reason. These women are both either CIA themselves or double-agents.

by Anonymousreply 10611/14/2012

r105 asks some excellent questions....

by Anonymousreply 10711/14/2012

Sorry if this is already been posted. I think the CIA was trying to hide the fact that they had prisoners hidden since Obama had issue to orders around 2009 that this was no longer allowed. How and why did this woman have this information?

by Anonymousreply 10811/14/2012

[quote] Natalie Khawam's Ex was Grayson Wolfe who was once the Manager for Private Sector Development for the Coalition Provisinal Authority in Iraq

So, he worked for Romney foreign policy advisor/pundit Dan Senor, who is married to NBC journalist Campbell Brown?

Be interesting to hear what either of those two have to say.

by Anonymousreply 10911/14/2012

The only "spying" I can think of would be if they were conduits to people like Rove, Senor and other GOP operatives related to comments or gossip or observations they made while socializing.

With all their money problems I can see the Kelleys, both sisters, wanting to get their hands on some of the superpac money Rove was doling out. So maybe they were "helping" Romney or more importantly, Rove.

I do believe that in some convoluted way, the Rethugs will try to connect this to Benghazi and try to shift attention to the Obama administration. The Republican philosophy of, "Whatever works."

by Anonymousreply 11011/14/2012

Linda Tripp was a kind of a spy for the Republicans. That is how the whole Clinton Impeachment thing started.

by Anonymousreply 11111/14/2012

Exactly, R111. These little troublemakers have their utility. There is always an Achilles Heel to exploit. And that is Rove's style for sure.

Except in this case, Obama's ship is tighter than Clinton's was. This gang is shooting eaching other, getting burned by :"friendly fire." Couldn't happen to a nicer crowd.

The only thing they can bitch about is the "timeline" and "why didn't we know sooner." They will try to push that argument and make this about the FBI, Mueller, Holder, the White House, etc. They have to shift attention and that's the only way.

Problem is, the details are so soap opera, that now it's been determined that there is no national security issue, the news media, papers like the NY Post, the Daily News, etc are all over this.

I am waiting for the National Enquirer to weight in. I bet you we are going to get photos of someone. Count on it. And the tabloids are not ashamed of checkbook journalism. These people are all for sale. The This is definitely a 'get you popcorn' moment.

by Anonymousreply 11211/14/2012

Ironic that gays can't pass the security clearance to even be a janitor at the CIA because we are subject to blackmail because we're gay.

Oh the ironic LOL's.

by Anonymousreply 11311/14/2012

r113, hon, it's not 1995 anymore. You can pass a security clearance and be a CIA janitor if you want.

by Anonymousreply 11411/14/2012

I would probably be a spy for Democrats except...I don't know if I'm sleazy enough to be a spy.

by Anonymousreply 11511/14/2012

Do you work for IRS? Because if you do, I have some questions about my tax problems.

by Anonymousreply 11711/14/2012

[quote] the CIA and NSA continue to apply per se anti-gay rules. All agencies deny special access clearances to gay persons

by Anonymousreply 11811/14/2012

Me, neither, r115. And I'm way to honest.

And, r81, that picture nearly made me lose my appetite. Urf.

by Anonymousreply 11911/14/2012

So Petraeus WILL be testifying.

But I thought the rightwing said he was fired so he couldn't testify... which made no sense in the first place since Congress determines whether or not he testifies, regardless of employment status.

Freepers, will you ever grow a fucking brain? EVER?

It's a wonder those assholes haven't blamed Obama whenever they can't find a parking spot or if some fast food restaurant has stopped serving breakfast after a certain hour.

by Anonymousreply 12011/14/2012

Of course they need attorneys. They will need help negotiating the book deals, movie rights, personal appearances etc.

The Kellys' money problems are a thing of the past.

by Anonymousreply 12111/14/2012

Here's a guess -- I'm only playing here, I'm not being serious.

Petraeus was going to testify in a way to make the White House look bad. The White House said, "Oh yeah? you do that and we will plaster your little love affair all over the media. We'll splash Paula Broadwell and those two hottie sisters down in Tampa all over the front page."

The GOP decided to out the affairs first, though. So that the White Hose has nothing to hold over Petraeus's head. And they said, "We'll keep piling on dirt until you testify the way we want you to. When you do that, this story will disappear, it will e declared there was o security breach and no more gossip gets released."

Again. I'm not suggesting this is real. Just having fun wondering what's at the bottom of all of this.

by Anonymousreply 12211/14/2012

If this comes down to one party (Republican tramps) spying on another (A Republican General giving up info on his Democratic president and operations in Libya, Afghanistan, etc.) ... it's just so amounts of gross and wrong.

This goes to show Obama can't hire a Republican for any office.

by Anonymousreply 12311/14/2012

R122, but according to reports, the (shirtless) FBI agent who initially started the ball rolling is a teabagger - the one who reported it to another teabagger who then told teabagger Cantor... who wanted to actually put this out there for political reasons, but the FBI told him he better STFU until it's investigated.

by Anonymousreply 12411/14/2012

Chris Jansing on MSNBC said the woman's "Honorary Consul" license plate is issued through South Korea.

Hmmm???

by Anonymousreply 12511/14/2012

Hmmm, what?

SOUTH Korea, not North.

by Anonymousreply 12611/14/2012

[quote] owned a Middle Eastern restaurant and a vehicle registration firm, records suggest.

What is a vehicle registration firm?

by Anonymousreply 12711/14/2012

SEOUL — South Korea's foreign ministry has confirmed Jill Kelley, who is at the center of a scandal that has led to the resignation of the CIA director, is still serving as one of the country's honorary consuls in Florida

by Anonymousreply 12811/14/2012

Like a notary public, I think.

I've seen "vehicle registration" listed along with tax prep, insurance, etc.

by Anonymousreply 12911/14/2012

WTF? Yes, I now believe she is a spy. She was either getting strategic info of where the Special Ops were being sent and giving it our enemies or she was a spy for us. The party planner thing was a cover.

The question is why are we hearing about this? And why hasn't the shirtless FBI agent been named?

I don't think this is Republican/Democrat thing. There is something else going on.

by Anonymousreply 13011/14/2012

I love how people are trying to make this woman more than she was.

She was a (once)rich housewife and military groupie looking to seem important, but she had no qualifications to do anything that pays, so she offers her services as a "liaison" solely so she can tell people she works with and knows these powerful men.

She's all about "status." She had that obnoxious vanity plate and you just know she went around leaving the "honorary" part off.

by Anonymousreply 13111/14/2012

South Korean honorary consul?

Knowing Tampa, and knowing the Korean women soldiers drag home from over there, mark my words, there's an Asian massage parlor or escort service involved in this somewhere.

This won't have a happy ending.

by Anonymousreply 13211/14/2012

Maybe Kelley is a madam and that's why she lawyered up.

Also how is it that the director of the CIA has no idea that the FBI is investigating him and his friends?

by Anonymousreply 13311/14/2012

Did anyone else just hear the 911 call from Jill Kelley trying to get the media off of her property by claiming she was an "honorary consul general"

[quote]"You know, I don't know if by any chance, because I'm an honorary consul general, so I have inviolability, so they should not be able to cross my property. I don't know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well," Kelley told a 911 dispatcher, who agreed to pass the information along to police.

by Anonymousreply 13411/14/2012

[quote]This won't have a happy ending.

HA!

by Anonymousreply 13511/14/2012

[quote] Grayson Wolfe who was once the Manager for Private Sector Development for the Coalition Provisinal Authority in Iraq

I knew I'd heard that name before.

BTW, Lebanese Catholics are pro -Israel. They don't like the crazy-ass Muslims who turned Beirut from a holiday destination to a pile of war torn rubble. It took a long time to rebuild that city.

by Anonymousreply 13611/14/2012

1000% wrong, R136.

CERTAIN Lebanese Catholics are Pro-Israel, not all.

Like some Iranians who were pro-Shah.

Same mentality.

by Anonymousreply 13711/14/2012

Wait. A Lebanese-American honorary consul on behalf of S. Korea to what? Centcom? Florida? How'd the Koreans get involved in this?

Inviolability?!

This is so absurd, it has to be true. Obama's probably alternately bewildered and chuckling as he processes this.

What do our allies think of this? It's hysterical and embarrassing all the same.

The South Koreans?! Really?

by Anonymousreply 13811/14/2012

BTW, the Druze (who are Muslim) are probably more Pro-Israel.

The Lebanese Catholics just want to be French.

by Anonymousreply 13911/14/2012

I like the massage parlor theory.

by Anonymousreply 14011/14/2012

Do you think Judd Apatow will do the movie?

by Anonymousreply 14211/14/2012

Does Paula own any dresses that aren't sleeveless? Does Jill own any dresses that aren't form fitting or brightly colored?

by Anonymousreply 14311/14/2012

[quote] I love how people are trying to make this woman more than she was.

[quote] She was a (once)rich housewife and military groupie looking to seem important, but she had no qualifications to do anything that pays, so she offers her services as a "liaison" solely so she can tell people she works with and knows these powerful men.

Whose sister was married to the person who handed out billions of dollars worth of private contracts in Iraq.

(Remember when that $9B disappeared in Iraq? Maybe it was Jill Kelly's crazy-ass sister!)

But seriously now folks --- that was a very high mucky muck job that Natalie's ex had in Iraq. I can see how these two sisters originally got to know all of these generals. Dan Senor, who was the boss of Nat's ex, was the head of the Iraq Provisional Authority and was a member of the Bush White House. Major CIA and military contacts.

by Anonymousreply 14411/14/2012

People are trying to turn this into some conspiracy because everything is a conspiracy these days. If the fucking marshmallows in lucky charms changes, it's a conspiracy.

Guys are horny and even the most intelligent men do stupid things when it comes to sex, esp. older men who aren't physically attractive and being pursued by relatively attractive women almost half their age.

by Anonymousreply 14511/14/2012

I'm no fan of Obama, but I'll say again that I've never seen a president so poorly served.

The FBI knew there was Something going on with a CIA director and didn't report it to Obama?

The CIA director should have known Something was brewing in Libya and didn't report it to the President?

Obama is always made to look out to lunch, and while that may sometimes have a silver lining and keep him out of some nasty loop, most times, he ends up looking very stupid.

by Anonymousreply 14611/14/2012

[bold] Grayson Wolfe, who was married to Jill Jelly's sister Natalie. [/bold]

He previously served as Director of Broader Middle East Initiatives and Iraqi Reconstruction and Special Assistant to the Chief Operating Officer at the Export-Import Bank of the United States.

He was appointed to the bank by President Bush in June 2002.

Between January and August 2004, Wolfe served as Manager of the Private Sector Development Office of the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, Iraq. In this capacity he was directly responsible for implementing a wide range of initiatives to attract foreign direct investment and provide financing to Iraqi companies.

During this time, Wolfe worked extensively on the ground with senior Iraqi and Kurdish officials, and with the Ministries of Finance, Trade and Oil.

From 2001 to 2002 Wolfe worked as an attorney for the law firm of Fleischman and Walsh, LLP, where he represented clients engaged in Homeland Security, Telecommunications and Intellectual Property matters.

He served as a member of a seven-person team that worked with the North American Railroads and Chlorine Chemical Industries to develop a National Homeland Security Risk Analysis and Management Plan. This plan was adopted by the Class I Freight Railroad CEOs on Dec 6, 2001.

Wolfe served as Legislative Director and Counsel for members of Congress from 1999-2002.

He has also served in numerous positions in presidential, federal and state political campaigns.

Before this, he worked for Citicorp in Poland focusing on emerging markets and franchise development opportunities in Central and Eastern European countries.

Grayson Wolfe, Esq.

[quote] Director of Iraq Reconstruction and Broader Middle East and North Africa Initiatives

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[bold] These two are no random Tampa housewives. There are deep CIA connections [/bold]

by Anonymousreply 14711/14/2012

Rachel Maddow owns this thread

by Anonymousreply 14811/14/2012

It's like the gove. functionary found last year in a garbage dump -- his wife is said to be connected to the CIA

by Anonymousreply 14911/14/2012

Let's put this together:

1) Natalie was married to someone with deep contacts within the military-spook-industrial complex and the Republican party.

2) Natalie has a history of instability including sequential loss of jobs within a short amount of time, financial irresponsibility leading to legal judgements against her, divorce, and the loss of child custody due to her instability (probably had a court appointed psychiatrist do testing with unfavorable diagnoses, too)

3) Two Centcom heads, generals, one a CIA director provide Natalie with references in the custody battle.

I'm so confused. Did Grayson share some pillow talk with Natalie that she later wielded to gain leverage in her custody battle? Did she use it to extort the references from the generals?

It sounds like she needs to be investigated stat.

by Anonymousreply 15011/14/2012

Is Kelley a Catholic or a Maronite, r140?

There is a difference.

by Anonymousreply 15111/14/2012

Ask Rachel why Natalie's ex-husband is being fleetingly referred to as "a lawyer" in news stories and not as a Bush White House operative and appointee, which is what he was. He has ties to the military (Iraq) and to intelligence (Homeland Security).

I still think the right is behind this. They won't mind sacrificing a few of their own in order to try and push this Benghazi narrative into the mainstream and turn it into Whitewater. (They won't mind sacrificing Petraeus, whose last remarks about Benghazi reflected what the White House was saying. And they won't mind turning the exwife of Dan Senor's right hand man into a joke.) The right fully intends to try and impeach Obama over Benghazi. They've got nothing else, and they've got the media now focused on it, with John McCain leading today's charge. If you think the media won't follow this stupid Benghazi thing, think again. It's about ratings.

The democrats don't know how to do sex scandals. The GOP started on Whitewater immediately after Clinton was re-elected. And it was never really about Whitewater. It was about tying the administration up in a knot so they couldn't effectively govern.

They're getting the media's attention with the sex scandal. With Clinton, it was never about Whitewater and with Obama, it's not going to be about a sex scandal. It's only about what the right wing dangles in front of the media to get their attention.

by Anonymousreply 15211/14/2012

Grayson Wolfe ---> worked for Dan Senor ---> who now works for Fox News --> which was being given highly classified State Dept memos

Natalie Kawaham --> sister of Jill Kelly --> who claims she received harassing emails --> went to an FBI agent who was somehow able, on his own, to trace the emails to Paula Broadwell and then --> went to a right wing member of Congress who sits on military and intelligence committees --- > who then went to Eric Cantor --> google "Eric Cantor Don Señor". They have worked together quite a bit. I believe they're working together again.

Petraeus's last statements about Benghazi jibed with the White House. Guys like Dan Señor, Eric Cantor, Karl Rove won't like that.

Anybody who thinks Karl Rove is finished doesn't know how things work. Rove put on a little play on election night; all republicans claim they had no idea Obama would win (really? Really?); the blogosphere is filled with stories of Rove's donors being pissed. All theater. Everyone is back in place.

by Anonymousreply 15311/14/2012

[quote]There is a difference.

Culturally, yes, but the Maronite Church is in full communion with the Vatican.

by Anonymousreply 15411/14/2012

Here's a DM article detailing Natalie's instability and custody issues. Some fawning stuff in the generals' letters. It mentions Grayson Wolfe's name, but nothing about his association with the Iraqi authority and Den Senor, of course. More pics of the sisters and Mrs. Petraeus probably lifted from their FBs.

by Anonymousreply 15511/14/2012

I still don't see how this damages Obama, even if it takes down Petraeus because of his support of the Whitehouse on Benghazi. It's an entirely Republican clusterfuck thus far.

by Anonymousreply 15611/14/2012

[quote]--> went to an FBI agent who was somehow able, on his own, to trace the emails to Paula Broadwell

No. He wasn't in cybercrimes, which handled the case, but he kept poking around until he was told to stay away by his superiors when it became apparent that he was obsessed with the case and Mrs. Kelley (as evidenced by sending her the shirtless photos). At that point he went to congress.

by Anonymousreply 15711/14/2012

The FBI guy was obsessed with the case because he was pushing an agenda.

I'd like to see those "threatening" emails from Broadwell to Kelly. For all we know, Kelly might have been shooting emails off to Petraeus and the other general with the express hope of getting them in trouble and Broadwell told her to "back off, you nut bag."

by Anonymousreply 15811/14/2012

I suspect these tramps were feeding Rove and Fox intel. The pic of Rove and Broadwell is curious.

I admire the Kelley girls for taking Petraus' frau shopping.

by Anonymousreply 15911/14/2012

I would agree with R159, but who would want to dress like the Kelley girls? Under all their slutty camouflage they are hiding overweight bodies, especially Natalie. I'm sure they both have a large and varied wardrobe of Spanx.

Mrs. Petraeus dresses like a cube dweller.

by Anonymousreply 16011/14/2012

Rove is like those gossip columnist who have all sorts of behind the (Hollywood) scenes guys (like waiters, hotel staff, bitter assistants, secretaries, accountants, etc.) on their payroll. I bet a good bunch of those involved in this scandal reported to Rove directly about the stuff they heard and read and Rove files that information in his private database to use it for his schemes when necessary.

by Anonymousreply 16111/14/2012

Did you know that out of all 261 people that Paula Broadwell follows on Twitter, Elizabitch Hasselbeck was the 26th person she chose to follow when she signed up?

I remember at the beginning of the Republican primary how Miss Hasselbeck was constantly fawning over Petraeus on the View championing a run for president by him and saying that he was who she wanted to vote for.

by Anonymousreply 16211/14/2012

r158 anyone who sends emails from an anonymous account with content that implies or outright states that the receiver is being watched (as Broadwell's were and did), is themselves a nutbag. Further, anyone who is cheating on a spouse with another married person and loses her shit over the idea that another woman might be making passes at her gigolo boyfriend is ALSO a nutbag.

No matter which way you slice it, Broadwell is a batshit ticking time bomb.

by Anonymousreply 16311/14/2012

The twin sister really is nuts. She made up stories about her ex abusing their children. That is low.

by Anonymousreply 16411/14/2012

The list of people she follows looks like a roadmap of "important" people she's met and a mutual back scratch society.

Odd one: Dan Choi.

by Anonymousreply 16511/14/2012

Oh FFS.

That website has been posted before r166. It's a conspiracy nutjob site. LOOK AT the fucking header! It has rainbows, tarot cards, angels and apocalyptic crap all over it.

by Anonymousreply 16711/14/2012

jesus christ on a crutch.

by Anonymousreply 16811/14/2012

Paula Broadwell, the author who allegedly had an affair with former CIA Director David Petraeus, is suspected of storing significant amounts of military documents, including classified material, at her home, potentially in violation of federal law.

A source familiar with case told ABC News that Broadwell admitted to the FBI she took the documents from secure government buildings. The government demanded that they all be given back, and when federal agents descended on her North Carolina home on Monday night it was a pre-arranged meeting.

Prosecutors are now determining whether to charge Broadwell with a crime, and this morning the FBI and military are poring over the material. The 40-year-old author, who wrote the biography on Gen. Petraeus "All In," is cooperating and the case, which is complicated by the fact that as an intelligence officer in the U.S. Military Reserve she had security clearance to review the documents.

The FBI found classified material on a computer voluntarily handed over by Broadwell earlier in the investigation. Prosecutors will now have to determine how important the classified material is before making a final decision. Authorities could decide to seek disciplinary action against her rather than pursue charges.

Senior FBI officials are expected to brief the House and Senate Intelligence Committees today on their handling of the Petraeus investigation. The officials are expected to lay out how the case was developed and argue that there were no politics involved.

The case is so critical that FBI Director Robert Mueller may attend to defend the bureau, ABC News has learned. Members of Congress have been angry that they were not informed about the case before the story was reported by the media, but FBI officials maintain that their guidelines forbid them from discussing ongoing criminal cases.

by Anonymousreply 16911/14/2012

Nothing to do with President Obama and everything to do with runaway insanity in the armed forces.

by Anonymousreply 17011/14/2012

It was funny to read r166 while the President was opening his press conference on live TV.

by Anonymousreply 17111/14/2012

I've repped people who work for Homeland Security, I have friends & colleagues who have worked for the CIA, FBI, State, you name it. I also have many friends and colleagues of foreign origin and they very well may have held positions with their govts.

I even had an investigator a long time ago who held a very, very high ranking job in a foreign country and as it turned out was THE ranking "security officer" in that country during very troubled times. Who knew? LOL!

If you live and work in the DC area then none of this is unusual.

by Anonymousreply 17211/14/2012

I get a kick out of that crazy site that pretends to be Russian! Don't stop posting -- - it's like the Dominionists or the oldtime Lisa Welchel posts. Crazy shit that we know is crazy.

by Anonymousreply 17311/14/2012

No, DO STOP posting it. Or else get your own thread for that tedious bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 17411/14/2012

No hall monitors in DL threads, please.

Some of us have a sense of humor and can handle nutty conspiracies posts from cray crays.

by Anonymousreply 17511/14/2012

Are they going to show us everything she had stored on her computer...we can be the judge whether it's important or not.

by Anonymousreply 17611/14/2012

She sounds like just the kind of nutcase that Rove would employ...let us hope.

by Anonymousreply 17711/14/2012

Is there any way that Hasselbitch could be drawn into this and end up fired and sunk into obscurity?

by Anonymousreply 17811/14/2012

Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 17911/14/2012

I think the reason this story has legs is that it combines obsessiveness(Broadwell), thinking with one's dick at the highest levels of government (Petraeus and Allen) and Real Housewife big-boobed sleaze (Kelley and her twin.) It pulls back the curtain on a subculture we seldom see or question, mainly because they have their mistresses on talk shows doing their PR.

To add to the idiocy, the press is flogging the story while putting on pundits who chide the public for their prurient interest. But it has all the elements of a good story--passion, risky behavior, conflict--so what's not to like? And why bash the FBI for doing its job?

Most enjoyably, the Repugs are stymied from politicizing the story because all the principals are Repugs. Remember, these are the people who keep claiming we live immoral lives.

Last night, O'Reilly mentioned liberals and their 16-year-old daughters who get pregnant indiscriminately. I thought he was talking about Palin's kid.

by Anonymousreply 18011/14/2012

What reality cooking show was Kelley and/or her twin on? They mentioned that on the national news but didn't name the show.

by Anonymousreply 18111/14/2012

[quote]I get a kick out of that crazy site that pretends to be Russian! Don't stop posting -- - it's like the Dominionists or the oldtime Lisa Welchel posts. Crazy shit that we know is crazy.

I know! Somehow it's far more entertaining to think that while Obama is giving his press conference, Air Force One is warming up on the runway to whisk him off to Diego Garcia where the generals still loyal to him await.

The first one had that bit about the gun battle at DuPont Circle where they seized Petraeus and hauled him in front of Obama, and if that didn't happen, it certainly should have.

Keep posting it. Find more.

by Anonymousreply 18211/14/2012

Glenn Beck has it all figured out!

by Anonymousreply 18311/14/2012

David Petraeus' extraordinary stooped back could be caused from osteoporosis and/or aging.

The odd stooped back doesn't necessarily stem from his parachute fall which broke his pelvis or the gunshot he took in the chest.

by Anonymousreply 18411/14/2012

Conservative radio host Glenn Beck is accusing of President Barack Obama’s administration of a manufacturing former CIA Director David Petraeus’ sex scandal as a plot to “discredit the military.”

“This is a set up,” Beck said on his Tuesday broadcast. “This is spontaneous, they just found out? Bull crap. They have known. The White House knew during the vetting process that Petraeus was carrying on an inappropriate relationship. They knew it. They knew that he could be easily compromised, but they appointed him anyway.”

“Because when you have the goods on someone — you need a pressure point,” he explained. “Just like this Jill [Kelley] lady. She’s got $2 million in debt. She’s in and out of court all the time. Pressure point. Same with the general. ‘General Betray Us,’ that’s what the left used to call him. Now, he’s put up to head the CIA? Really? Of course. They have a pressure point.”

“And now he’s being discredited. This whole scandal is doing what? How’s your opinion of the military? Discredit the last-standing, honorable institution we have: the military.”

Beck added: “These people in Washington are really bad people. And they will use anything, any pressure point. And you will fold. This, today, is all about discrediting the military while distracting the media.”

A video of Beck’s full 20-minute, conspiracy-filled rant can be viewed here.

Watch a short clip via Right Wing Watch, broadcast Nov. 14, 2012.

by Anonymousreply 18511/14/2012

[quote]the gunshot he took in the chest.

Who? Who?

by Anonymousreply 18611/14/2012

We *heart* our cray-cray.

Now tell us why the house in Indy was attacked. What was supposed to be there? WHO was supposed to be there?

Why don't any of these people get *normal* hoes?

by Anonymousreply 18711/14/2012

Who is the best cray cray?

Glen Beck or "Sorcha Faal"?

by Anonymousreply 18811/14/2012

You should start a poll thread, r188.

That's a whole lotta cray-cray goin' on!

by Anonymousreply 18911/14/2012

When is Petraeus testifying?

by Anonymousreply 19011/14/2012

Possibly Friday, R190, but all the Bengazi hearings to be held are said to be closed door hearings so far.

I think Petraeus agreed to testify so congresspersons did have to go to the trouble of subpoenaing him.

Also, it was said that Petraeus always wanted to testify.

by Anonymousreply 19111/14/2012

Part 1

TAMPA — In late September, a U.S. Marine Corps four-star general and the head of the Central Intelligence Agency sent letters to a court in Washington, D.C., testifying that a single mom in Tampa named Natalie Khawam was fit to parent her 4-year-old son.

Gen. John R. Allen praised Khawam — the twin sister of Jill Kelley, the woman who sparked an FBI investigation that exposed retired Gen. David Petraeus' affair — for her "maturity, integrity and steadfast commitment to raising her child." Petraeus told the court Khawam "dotes on her son and goes to great lengths — and great expense — to spend quality time with him."

The court had a different opinion.

"Ms. Khawam appears to lack any appreciation or respect for the importance of honesty and integrity in her interactions with her family, employers, and others with whom she comes in contact," a judge wrote after a litany of hearings and psychological evaluations. "The court fully expects that Ms. Khawam's pattern of misrepresentations about virtually everything, including the most important aspects of her life, will continue indefinitely."

She was more than $3 million in debt, records show. She had blown through four jobs in five years and sued a former employer for sex harassment. She had had three failed engagements, left her new husband and moved in with her sister where she quickly began hobnobbing with military brass and others in Tampa's elite circles.

What moved the top government brass to go to bat for a woman the court said suffers from "severe" psychological deficits? The answer can be found in Jill Kelley's social climb in the last decade, since she and her surgeon husband moved south from Philadelphia and found a niche hosting lavish parties for military brass from MacDill.

South Tampa's decades-long reputation for genteel hospitality toward the military has transformed over the past several days into a soap opera of sexual misconduct and improper emails that has already cost Petraeus his job and threatens Allen's career as well. Ground zero is not the Pentagon, but a mansion on Bayshore Boulevard inhabited by a family with lavish appetites and gigantic debts.

• • •

In the spring of 2003, the Kelleys hosted a dinner party at Tampa's Palm Restaurant to celebrate their decision to make their adopted city a permanent home. Among the select group of Tampa's business, government and military elite were Marine Lt. Gen. Michael "Rifle" DeLong, then second in command to Gen. Tommy Franks at CentCom, former Mayor Dick Greco and his wife, Linda, and retired Tampa Tribune columnist Tom Mc­Ewen.

DeLong's wife, Kathy, recalls meeting Jill Kelley, 37, at a "patriotic function in Tampa."

"They (the twins) could work a room better than any politician," she said. "They're bright, fun, just who you'd want at your party."

The DeLongs began including them at base functions, "and once you're on the list, you're on the list," she said. That friendship extended to Gen. John Abizaid, who ran CentCom from July 2003 to March 2007.

"They really connected because of their shared Lebanese heritage," said DeLong.

Determined to make her footprint, Jill Kelley knocked on doors up and down Bayshore Boulevard, asking homeowners if their house was for sale. She wanted the prestigious address, and she got it. In June 2004, the couple paid $1.5 million for a 4,800-square-foot brick mansion with stately white pillars and a view of Hillsborough Bay, just six miles from MacDill Air Force Base.

Kelley's husband, it seemed, could afford the good life on his salary from Moffitt Cancer Center, where he worked in the department of surgery after a two-year fellowship.

"He was a highly talented guy. Great interpersonal skills,' said Dr. Richard Karl, the founding medical director at Moffitt, who hired Kelley. "He and his wife were very charming when I knew them back then."

The Kelleys were known for their "extravagant parties; there was always more than you could possibly eat," he said.

by Anonymousreply 19211/14/2012

Part 2

Records show the Kelleys created a cancer charity in 2005. According to its 2007 tax return, The Doctor Kelley Cancer Foundation's primary purpose was to "conduct research studies into efforts to discover ways to improve the quality of life of terminally ill adult cancer patients." Natalie Khawam was also named as a director of the nonprofit. But of $157,284 raised in revenue that year, meals and entertainment accounted for more than $43,000 in expenses, legal fees more than $25,000, and automotive expenses more than $8,800. According to state corporate records, the group was dissolved in 2007. But as late as February 2010, Jill Kelley solicited contributions for the group to provide a dinner for the homeless. In an email to prospective donors, she asked for " 'in kind' donations (i.e. more food, drinks, banners, decorations)" and noted that her group was a "tax write-off."

In 2008, Kelley moved to Lakeland to start an esophageal cancer/surgical oncology program at Lakeland Regional Medical Center. He established his practice at the 200-physician Watson Clinic in Lakeland, a well-regarded practice that's one of the biggest in the area.

Soon after Petraeus arrived at MacDill in 2008, the Kelleys invited the general and his wife to a small dinner at which they introduced them to noteworthy Tampa residents, said retired Army Col. Steve Boylan, a former Petraeus aide who is acting as his unofficial spokesman.

Petraeus and his wife, Holly, became friends with the Kelleys after that. The friendship continued after the Petraeuses moved to Washington, Boylan said. When the Kelleys would go up to visit her family, the families would see each other.

Lawsuits show the Kelleys were treading water by then, when Scott Kelley was making just the minimum payment on a Visa Signature card that had accumulated a balance over $70,000 and was taking on hundreds of dollars in interest each month. According to a lawsuit filed this year, Kelley defaulted on that card in 2010, the same year Regions bank sued him and his wife over a debt in excess of $250,000. Chase sued for more than $25,000 and Regions Bank filed to foreclose on their Bayshore home. The bank said it was owed more than $1.7 million, and that it had not gotten any payments since Sept. 2009.

They defaulted on more credit cards and the lawsuits stacked up, but they continued to host parties and held tight to their friendship with Petraeus.

It was a friendship between couples, Boylan said, the kind where the families visited each other at Christmas.

"Based on my conversation with David Petraeus, he was very, very clear, very adamant: It is strictly a close friendship that grew out of their time in Tampa and continued when they moved," Boylan said. "No romantic involvement whatsoever."

Noting that he's not speaking for the military, MacDill or CentCom, Boylan said, "In many towns there are people of note who take an interest in the military community and try to support them in various ways."

• • •

When Natalie Khawam moved to her sister's house in Tampa in March 2009, she brought her own baggage, records show. She had moved south from Washington, D.C., with her infant son without her husband's permission. Grayson Wolfe would spend nearly two years fighting in court before he regained custody of his son. Khawam had changed the boy's name to John and didn't correct him when the boy called Scott Kelley "Dad," court records show.

When her husband tried to get custody of their son, Khawam began filing allegations of domestic violence in Tampa, part of "an ever-expanding set of sensational accusations against Mr. Wolfe that are so numerous, so extraordinary, and … so distorted that they defy any common sense view of reality," a judge wrote. She accused Wolfe, a lawyer, of repeatedly putting a gun to her head, pushing and hitting her on a daily basis, ripping the nursing child from her bosom, shaking the child and throwing shoes, dishes and porcelain figurines at her and the child. She accused Wolfe of impregnating her through "non-consensual" sex, but she sent Wolfe an email a month after the pregnancy saying she was "Looking forward to phone sex, with an exclamation point."

Khawam, who worked as a lawyer at the Tampa law firm Cohen, Foster and Romine, sued her employer, accusing the firm's business consultant of sexual harassment. The firm's founder Barry Cohen shot back with a giant stack of evidence to the contrary, accusing Khawam of "fraud." He presented Khawam's bankruptcy filing from April 2012, which showed she owed $3.6 million to creditors, lawyers and others who had loaned her money. The filing showed she owed a lawyer in Rhode Island $300,000, a man in St. Petersburg $600,000 and Scott and Jill Kelley $800,000.

Arnold Levine, another Tampa lawyer, intervened in Cohen's lawsuit because he had yet to be paid for representing Khawam, as well. He represented the Kelleys, too, and says he wasn't paid for that work, either.

But Cohen had trouble serving a subpoena on Khawam. A memo from his process server provided to the Times lays out a strange set of events the morning of Aug. 8. The private investigator noted that four cars were in the driveway, but no one would answer the door. Several people came and went but wouldn't say who they were and wouldn't accept the papers. Then a man stood in front of her car, blocking her exit. Then a black SUV pulled into the driveway, blocking the investigator. Two men climbed out and the investigator called 911. "An officer from TPD appeared by the two men who I was told were FBI agents," she wrote. "The owner of the house came out … screaming that I assaulted her guests and employees."

The officer told the investigator that screaming woman was Jill Kelley.

• • •

Petraeus resigned Friday. Allen's nomination to head NATO forces is on hold. An FBI investigation has surfaced emails from Petraeus' lover and biographer to Jill Kelley. The same investigation found that Allen had sent "inappropriate" emails to Kelley.

Boylan, who was in touch with Petraeus on Tuesday, said "this is not easy" but at this point "his sole focus right now is to his family, doing whatever needs to be done at whatever speed it needs to be done."

"He knows how much he has hurt his family," Boylan said. "He regrets immensely the error in judgment and poor decision that he made. He hurt his family terribly. He gave up a fantastic position with a great organization. That's just hard to walk away from without feeling a lot of regrets."

Jill Kelley and someone else at her house made five calls to Tampa police on Sunday and Monday asking for help with trespassers. She also complained about reporters and cameramen blocking access to her home. In one call, Kelley invokes some sort of title and asks about protection.

"I'm an honorary consul general, so I have involability [sic] … They should not be able to block my property. I don't know if you want to get diplomatic protection involved as well."

Kelley called back later to complain about people in and around her property.

"There's a man at my front door. He just won't leave. … There's trespassers bashing on my door. … They're trying to push the door open. They won't leave."

by Anonymousreply 19311/14/2012

The only thing missing from this are the underaged asian hookers partaking in s&m activities with our top military.

by Anonymousreply 19411/14/2012

[quote] She had had three failed engagements, left her new husband and moved in with her sister where she quickly began hobnobbing with military brass and others in Tampa's elite circles.

Whoa! No mention of the fact that her HUSBAND was part of the "military brass and others in Tampa's elite circles"?

No mention that her husband was a member of the Bush administration?

That he was in charge of dispensing contracts to Halliburton, Blackwater and other contractors for the Coalition Authority in Iraq?

That his boss was Dan Senor, a Fox News chattering head and former Bush White House Counsel who happens to be close to Eric Cantor?

How come there's so much information about others, but Natalie's husband remains nameless and faceless in all of these articles?

by Anonymousreply 19511/14/2012

Ok, I posted that before the second part of the article identified Wolfe by name. But it doesn't mention his vast connections, despite the fact that it mentions the Kelly's personal financial data and connections.

I'm not saying Natalie isn't crazy. I'm just saying everybody should be equally and fully identified.

by Anonymousreply 19611/14/2012

r178 That would be so delicious!

by Anonymousreply 19711/14/2012

I am willing to bet that Natalie and her ex husband are both nuts.

by Anonymousreply 19811/14/2012

The twins sound mentally ill.

by Anonymousreply 19911/14/2012

[quote]"They really connected because of their shared Lebanese heritage," said DeLong.

For a minute there, I thought this read, "They really connected because of their shared LESBIAN heritage."

I need to get outta this place!

by Anonymousreply 20011/14/2012

Sounds like republicans taking down a Republican who wasn't going to toe the tea party line and implicate the White House in some kind of murder mystery in Libya.

I wonder if the twins thought a shitload of money was going to be coming their way from ... something.

by Anonymousreply 20111/14/2012

Socialite Jill Kelley Loses VIP Privileges at Military Base

by Anonymousreply 20211/14/2012

I never knew that people like Kelley--hostesses to the military--existed. Does hanging out with these people really make you a socialite? What does Kelley get out of this? It seems as if she went into hock to do this.

by Anonymousreply 20311/14/2012

she is nuts, it's not as if her hubby is vying for military contracts or something, they just love to show off and flaunt what they "have" and appear "successful" to others. Pathetic, and now the whole world KNOWS! LOL!!!

My aunt was like her, it must be some kind of personality disorder or something, she wanted people to think she was super rich and bought gifts and hosted dinners at her house but was seriously in debt the whole time...

by Anonymousreply 20411/14/2012

[quote] My aunt was like her, it must be some kind of personality disorder or something, she wanted people to think she was super rich and bought gifts and hosted dinners at her house but was seriously in debt the whole time...

LOL! I want everyone to think I'm poor. Especially obnoxious people expecting expensive gifts from me for every damn event in their life.

OT but I must share - Someone needs to start a thread - but not me cause I'm too "poor."

Have you heard the latest? Sex Reveal Parties for expectant parents. That's right - not just bridal showers, weddings, house warmings, baby showers, births, holidays, childrens' birthdays, "push gifts" - now these people expect something for showing us some god awful sonogram showing a penis.

Sorry I had to vent.

by Anonymousreply 20511/14/2012

Here's betting that Dr. Kelley will either (i) sue for divorce or (ii) kill himself by Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 20611/14/2012

The behavior of the husbands is very odd.

I don't know that I buy the women as secret agents theory, but it would explain why two husbands seemed to not care one bit about what their wives were up to.

by Anonymousreply 20711/14/2012

It seems Natalie met her husband in DC where they both worked as lawyers. You would think someone with his connections would have done a thorough background check on her and her family. He is super well-connected in the GOP political/intelligence/military community.

by Anonymousreply 20811/14/2012

I suspect Dr. Kelley has been zonked out on self-prescribed benzos for years.

by Anonymousreply 20911/14/2012

Dr Kelly is Jill's husband. Natalie's ex husband is a very highly connected former member of the Bush administration.

by Anonymousreply 21011/14/2012

Men are stupid. Period. They'll put it anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 21111/14/2012

Now for some reason we are talking about Libya again...it's as if this was the first Embassy we've ever had attacked. Our Republican Congress will make up any disaster, rather than look at our real problems. Wish someone would drop a bomb on them...hope I don't get arrested. Do the fuckers know they have a 17% approval rating?

by Anonymousreply 21211/14/2012

What is intriguing is WHY would Patreaus & Allen get involved much less vouch for the sister Natalies character. When the husband was a member of the Bush Administration and part of the US Military Complex.

Would be easier to do if he was some unknown guy. Makes me wonder if one of them was a madame of sorts.

by Anonymousreply 21311/14/2012

R186, Petraeus was "accidentally" shot in the back by a man serving under his command. According to an article linked elsewhere, some thought it was a clear case of fragging a despised commander, but no way to prove it.

by Anonymousreply 21411/14/2012

Does anyone seriously believe Peaches and Paula's claim that their affair didn't start until November 2011? I don't.

by Anonymousreply 21511/14/2012

The FBI agent's name is Frederick W. Humphries II.

"Two former law enforcement colleagues said Mr. Humphries was a solid agent with experience in counterterrorism, **conservative political views** and a reputation for aggressiveness.

“Fred is a passionate kind of guy,” said one former colleague. “He’s kind of an obsessive type. If he locked his teeth onto something, he’d be a bulldog.”

That description would appear to fit his involvement in the current investigation.

Mr. Humphries passed on Ms. Kelley’s complaint to the cybersquad in the Tampa field office but was not assigned to the case. He was later admonished by supervisors who thought he was trying to insert himself improperly into the investigation.

**Convinced that the case was being stalled for political reasons**, Mr. Humphries in late October contacted Representative Dave Reichert, a Republican from Washington State, where the F.B.I. agent had worked previously, to inform him of the case. Mr. Reichert put him in touch with the House majority leader, Eric Cantor, who passed the message to the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III. "

and this was political: Humphries wanted to bring Obama down with this story

by Anonymousreply 21611/14/2012

Meet The Shirtless FBI Agent From The Petraeus Scandal

Photo at link

by Anonymousreply 21711/14/2012

Maybe Sandy really did save Obama, like I've seen some of the wing nuts on tv claim.

by Anonymousreply 21811/14/2012

[quote] What is intriguing is WHY would Patreaus & Allen get involved much less vouch for the sister Natalies character. When the husband was a member of the Bush Administration and part of the US Military Complex.

As a counterpoint to character references submitted by the ex husband. He probably had people like Dan Senor and others writing references for him.

Funny how two men who vouched for Wolfe's ex-wife have been destroyed. Coincidence? Considering Wolfe is close to people like Karl Rove?

by Anonymousreply 21911/14/2012

Well, it didn't take long for the interwebs to find the snitch, did it?

You can run but you cannot hide!

by Anonymousreply 22011/14/2012

Wow, in those Seattle Timers photos from 2000 he'd have only been 35.

by Anonymousreply 22111/14/2012

Paula Broadwell Security Clearance Suspended: US Official

by Anonymousreply 22211/14/2012

That snitch is clearly nuts.

by Anonymousreply 22311/14/2012

R217: thanks for the pix.

My comment: EEEEWWWWWW! Keep your shirt on.

by Anonymousreply 22411/14/2012

again, there is nothing in this bizarre, sordid and convaluted story that would implicate POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 22511/14/2012

I think Petraeus and the other general were having Sex Reveal Parties with the twins and Broadwell.

by Anonymousreply 22611/14/2012

Agent Shirtless is a huge let down..

by Anonymousreply 22711/14/2012

The US embassay in Beirut was attacked when Reagan was president. 63 people were killed. No one criticized Reagan over it.

by Anonymousreply 22811/14/2012

So are they madams, spies for the Republicans, spies for another country, or grasping wannabe types?

What about Broadwell? Is she a spy? A Rove operative? A fall guy?

by Anonymousreply 22911/14/2012

So who's going to get the first interview with Jill Kelley and how much will they pay for it? I say Barbara walters won't because she's holding out for Paula Broadwell. But some of the more sleazy media outlets will.

by Anonymousreply 23011/14/2012

Honey, they are the fringe people, the grasping wannabe types.

To show you how confusing and stupid this is, Jill's sister was getting a divorce from a very powerful well connected long time Republican with ties to Iraq and contractors and generals, and the White House.

So Petraeus and Allen, both of whom would have to, at the very least, know who this guy was, writing letters supporting her petition for custody in a contested custody hearing? Against this guy? How dumb is that!

by Anonymousreply 23111/14/2012

[quote]Honey, they are the fringe people, the grasping wannabe types.

The problem with that is these types are sometimes persistent enough or get enough dirt to become low-level assets.

If they're young(ish) and hot, they will also be brought on board.

by Anonymousreply 23211/14/2012

No r218.

Obama was winning well before Sandy. This has nothing to do with Sandy. Nice try though.

by Anonymousreply 23311/14/2012

R228, it was 1983, U.S. Marines baracks in Lebanon were bombed by a truck bomb. The guy drove thru the gate, got past security checkpoints and right into the baracks. There were 241 United States Marines killed. Under Reagan.

Under Clinton, we had the truck bomb at the WTC, and then in Ovtober, 2000, the U.S.S. Cole. There were also embassy bombings in the Sudan I believe, butnot our embassy, not sure about that.

Then of course we had the 9/11 attacks in NYC and the Pentagon as well as the aborted attack on the Capitol.

It is also good to draw the distinction that the attack in Libya was not an embassy attack. it was at an outpost, a consulate compound in Benghazi.

Our embassy had better fortifications and probably was armed and secured by a Marine contingent. The government of Libya was also more stable and in control of things at the capital where our embassy is located, than it was in Benghazi where cells of wannabe terrorists and gnags were operating.

Stevens was aware that there had been more than a dozen attacks on foreigners in that area when he traveled there that day.

by Anonymousreply 23411/14/2012

r234, the previous poster is referring to a different incident-see link.

They also got the CIA station chief in Lebanon too.

by Anonymousreply 23511/14/2012

Thanks, R235. So the U.S. embassy in Beirut was bombed n April, 1983, and then in Ovtober, the marine baracks was bombed.

by Anonymousreply 23611/14/2012

And then Reagan sounded full retreat,hauled everybody out and headed for the hills and ended up invading Grenada of all places so America could feel good about ourselves once again!

One of the last victory ticker tape parades evah.

by Anonymousreply 23711/14/2012

[quote] Obama was winning well before Sandy. This has nothing to do with Sandy. Nice try though.

Are you retarded?

It's a JOKE. The FBI guy supposedly went rogue because he thought the whole mess was being kept quiet and he wanted this to be the October surprise. But it didn't become the October surprise because a megastorm hit the East Coast and nobody would have paid attention to the story during apocalyptic-like weather conditions threatening one of the most populated areas of the United States.

by Anonymousreply 23811/14/2012

Fringe people R231?

Let's see - we've got a closet Tea Party FBI agent trying to expose an imaginary Obama conspiracy,blows up the career of a potential Republican presidential candidate and in the process upends a top pillar of the military.

Besides revealing the fact that he was sending shirtless pictures of himself to the distressed damsel.Love that bit.

The press in pushing the sexytime meme but these "fringe people" are everything one gets warned about in security breakdowns.

Huge debts,charity scammers,lavish lifestyles without the commensurate supporting incomes,the pursuance of relationships with high ranking political and military personnel,including seduction.

Who really is Paula Kranz Broadwell - her brother is an highly placed DC tax lawyer - wonder who his clients are ?

Ms.kelly has a brother who does "consulting" work for the CIA. 30,000 pages of unsecured email between Kelly and general Allen - no wonder our efforts in the ME are worthless.

Who are these "fringe people" really?

by Anonymousreply 23911/14/2012

So do the rethuigs want to pay for more personnel to fortify every mission and embassy we have around the world. No way.

There has to be triage done in assigning protection to our missions. If they were to move troops to Libya then which places would lose their protection - places which had been deemed in need of that protection? We don't have unlimited resources in human resources.

The rethugs are full of shit.

by Anonymousreply 24011/14/2012

[quote]Seems to me that the politicizing this event is well, stupid. Rush finally got something right: "real housewives of West Point". Charlie (from the first thread)

Well, as usual, Charlie is wrong.

Frederick Humphries, a teabagger loving conservative, became obsessed with the story when he saw this as potentially damaging to Obama. Without him and his ambitious plans, this story wouldn't have surfaced. The story is 100% politicized.

by Anonymousreply 24111/15/2012

Yes, but in his zeal to "get" Obama, he shot himself in the foot. Figuratively speaking, because everyone that has been exposed is Republican. And they all look like horses asses, including him for exposing himself. Agent Shirtless. I have to remember to get a copy of the National Enquirer when I buy gas. They have one of those convenience stores with all those newspapers.

by Anonymousreply 24211/15/2012

Shirtless Teabag FBI dude is bald and looks weirdly like Jeff Gannon aka Johnny Gosch. Karl Rove is no doubt behind this also.

by Anonymousreply 24311/15/2012

R224, the Petraeus scandal probably would have been splashed all over the news without the storm. I'm not convinced it would have hurt BO even if Sandy hadn't happened.

So far all I've seen is badly behaved Republican military poobahs and their groupies. If the FBI agent's intention was to hurt BO, he fucked up and destroyed his own heroes.

by Anonymousreply 24411/15/2012

One of the news stations showed a list of 10 or 12 embassies and consulates which were attacked while George W. Bush was president, and where deaths occured.

by Anonymousreply 24511/15/2012

[quote]Are you retarded?... It's a JOKE. The FBI guy supposedly went rogue because he thought the whole mess was being kept quiet and he wanted this to be the October surprise. But it didn't become the October surprise because a megastorm hit the East Coast and nobody would have paid attention to the story during apocalyptic-like weather conditions threatening one of the most populated areas of the United States.

Are you 12?

Obama was winning before Sandy because Romney was losing pitifully. We already know what hay the GOP would have made of this- because it woud have the same affect as it does today which is to make the GOP look like obsessed oversexed RightWingNUTS they are.

IT is MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING

by Anonymousreply 24611/15/2012

Wrong, R346

Drudge now says that Romney considered Petraeus as his vice president.

by Anonymousreply 24711/15/2012

r246 not that I disagree that Obama was winning pre-Sandy, but most of the electorate does not connect the Republican dots where it involves this case. To them, Petraeus is an apolitical military hero. Unfortunately the media has been sucking his cock for years because he emails them and makes them feel "special", and they really would prefer not to stop.

by Anonymousreply 24811/15/2012

r247. I don't know what r346 is going to post yet, but you sure did tell them.

by Anonymousreply 24911/15/2012

[quote]Drudge now says that Romney considered Petraeus as his vice president

Well, if Drudge says so...

by Anonymousreply 25011/15/2012

Imagine youre at one of the parties. The second any camera comes into view, the twins quickly cock their heads and put on the come hither grin. There are no shots of them posing with a straight up head. Those look like below par nose jobs, too.

by Anonymousreply 25111/15/2012

I want to give Davey Petraeus a lickin' with a ping pong paddle.

by Anonymousreply 25211/15/2012

Except for their huge tits, the twins have rather mannish upper body builds -- a bit like the Tasmanian devil.

by Anonymousreply 25311/15/2012

They are also very thick-waisted. They've learned how to position themselves in photographs so they don't look as big as they are.

by Anonymousreply 25411/15/2012

what's going on? it's been almost 12 hours since there has been a new revelation. chop chop, newsmedia!

by Anonymousreply 25511/15/2012

And you guys didn't think this would be bigger than Watergate. All it needs now is a name.

By the way, from now on, pay Very Close Attention to every word the President says (or doesn't say.) He's in full coverup mode now, and while he's every bit as sleazy as Nixon, he isn't as smart.

by Anonymousreply 25611/15/2012

Two attractive women have more power than the CIA, FBI, and military combined.

One mention of an e-mail "threat" and some FBI agent plays Captain-Save-A-****

Pussy is the real power in this country, until we eradicate sexual corruption.

by Anonymousreply 25711/15/2012

r256, take off your tin hat. better yet, leave it on and secede.

by Anonymousreply 25811/15/2012

Paula Broadwell is crazy, but Jill Kelley seems like a fucking whore.

by Anonymousreply 25911/15/2012

r259, c'mon. Do you believe a woman with a functioning brain and enough dignity would go for a married man who is Republican, a CIA director, and looks like Petraeus?

Though the whole thing occured before 50 Shades of Grey was released.

by Anonymousreply 26011/15/2012

Finally, an explanation for the Korean connection. She thought she could be like her ex brother-in-law in the coalition Iraqi government and facilitate no bid contracts.

Absolutely Republotocracy BS, but love the faux intrigue this stupid thing cooked up for herself:

[quote]On Wednesday, a New York businessman said Kelley was introduced to him at the Republican National Convention in Tampa in August as someone whose friendship with Petraeus would help facilitate a no-bid deal with South Korea on a coal-gasification project. She would supposedly be in a position to help broker the billion-dollar deal directly with the Korean president, and expected a 2 percent commission, said Adam Victor, president and chief executive officer of TransGas Development Systems.

[quote]Kelley is an honorary consul for South Korea, a ceremonial position, and got diplomatic plates for her car. But after flying Kelley to New York to discuss how she could help, Victor says he concluded she had little to offer in the way of deal-making expertise or connections with Korean leaders.

How's that for grandiosity? She thought she was going to make $20M for her "expertise."

And how she met Agent Shirtless:

[quote]The AP also learned Wednesday that Kelley attended an FBI "Citizens' Academy" last year. It was Kelley's complaints to an FBI agent about alleged threats from Broadwell that led to the general's resignation last week and has sidelined Allen's nomination to become the next commander of U.S. European Command and the commander of NATO forces in Europe.

[quote]The agent was Frederick W. Humphries, 47, a veteran counterterrorism investigator in the Tampa office, and he was among the FBI employees Kelley met during the academy, which lasted from Sept. 13 to Nov. 30, 2011, the AP learned.

by Anonymousreply 26111/15/2012

More about the S. Korean coal deal and Mrs. Kelley's grandiosity. From above link:

[quote]Referring to Jill Kelley, he said: "She does what she thinks is necessary to be perceived as being important."

[quote]Her apparent importance and connections were described to Victor, when the New York businessman was introduced to her.

[quote]We went down to the convention to spread our message about coal gasification and I met someone who seemed to be very well connected in Tampa" — and was described as a friend of Petraeus and someone who could deal with the president of South Korea.

[quote]In an interview, Victor continued: "It was Jill Kelley. She was a very vivacious woman. She seemed eager to assist us in our project and she confirmed that she was very close to Gen. Petraeus ..."

[quote]Victor said she talked about helping with a non-competitive bid. "And so that if the (South Korean) president liked it, as a favor to Gen. Petraeus, there would be one no-bid contract. Every developer likes a no-bid contract, or sole source. This certainly seemed worthwhile pursuing."

[quote]Victor said his company flew Kelley to New York, first class, for meetings, and then she flew to Hawaii, allegedly for meetings on the deal.

[quote]They discussed her compensation, Victor said. "I said, 'what do you think a fair fee would be?'" And she emailed me back, 2 percent of the deal," which he said could have amounted to tens of millions of dollars.

[quote]The company decided to work through others on the deal. "We decided that she simply was not a skilled negotiator in these large projects, she's never been in these large projects and I sort of felt that I wasted my time," Victor said.

by Anonymousreply 26211/15/2012

Exactly, all those Generals even Betrayus giving our money to anyone and everyone...just as long as they're not a kid who needs a free lunch.

by Anonymousreply 26311/15/2012

Agent Shirtless was considered a hero at the bureau. His lawyer predicts no misconduct charges.

by Anonymousreply 26411/15/2012

His lawyer is paid to say that r264.

Agent Shirtless' career is most likely over.

by Anonymousreply 26511/15/2012

And here I was thinking lawyers are potted plants who work for free...

by Anonymousreply 26611/15/2012

NY Daily News has a bunch of new photos

by Anonymousreply 26711/15/2012

Wait until the National Enquirer posts the photos of Agent Shirtless, well, shirtless! We will see how heroic he is viewed. He is thru. You can stick a fork in him.

Everyone has political beiefs. But a sworn officer of the law who acts out his political beliefs is wholly unprofessional. Even worse, this guy disobeyed direct orders from his supervisors once he was off the case.

He kept "nosing around" monitoring the case, trying to ferret out information, etc. and then he violated confidentiality by telling Jill Kelley what was going on with it.

If that wasn't bad enough, the most egregious thing he did was go outside the Bureau, violate the chain of command, to inform members of Congress. That was probably the very worst part of a lot of stupid, bad shit he did.

These are grounds to fire him. Forget about Petraeus. Agent Shirtless is toast. He'll probably get a job working as a consultant in the "Intelligence" community! LOL!

by Anonymousreply 26811/15/2012

I do feel sorry for Holly Petraeus, having been dragged into this mess having done absolutely nothing wrong.

by Anonymousreply 26911/15/2012

R269, who says she didn't know what was happening? Look at the photos from NYDN, with David and Jill being close, in front of Holly.

by Anonymousreply 27011/15/2012

That doesn't mean Holly "knew" what was happening, R270. And even if she did, that doesn't bring any fault down on her. My point was that she hasn't done anything wrong, but has still had her name and photograph attached to this horrible scandal, which must be mortifying for her. She has my sympathies.

by Anonymousreply 27111/15/2012

Has the MSM begun publicizing exactly who Natalie Khawam's very angry, very highly connected ex-husband is? Or are they still IDing him as "Grayson Wolfe, a lawyer."

And as Petraeus and Allen have been IDed as giving a character reference to Natalie Khawam, I'd like to know who gave character references for Grayson Wolfe in the custody case. Why so much info on Natale and her family, but a virtual blackout on Grayson Wolfe's connections, friends, references and CV?

by Anonymousreply 27211/15/2012

Jill Kelley and her twin sister have been described in the media as socialites.

Kelley is known for parties and receptions she gives for high ranking military men, in the home she shares with her husband.

The Kelleys bought the home for $1.9 million. According to a report on NPR this morning, they haven't made a payment on the home since 2009.

Jill's sister was involved in a court case where she was being painted as an unfit mother. Both generals involved with Jill Kelley wrote letters stating that the sister is a very good mother.

by Anonymousreply 27311/15/2012

Wow, that's not a forehead, that's a five-head!

by Anonymousreply 27411/15/2012

I can only find one blurry photo that is purportedly Grayson Wolfe on the entire Internet. Such a man of international mystery! Meanwhile, I can easily find photos of the two Scotts, the husbands to Jill Kelly and Paula Broadwell.

It's as if Grayson's visage was erased from the Internet before the story broke. I wonder if it was planned?

Sorry, but I can't get over the coincidence that a man who is very highly placed among mediapolitical smear mongers like Dan Senor, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove gets to keep his true identity pretty much a secret in a media shitstorm which involves his exwife and two generals who happened to give letters of support to his exwife. Kind of a strain to think his CV and connections are just coincidentally being left out of all this coverage when he is embroiled in it up to his neck.

Kind of a coincidence that the two generals who gave some written testimony in support of his exwife have been destroyed this past week. along with us exwife and her sister.

by Anonymousreply 27511/15/2012

I'd like to know more about the situation where he shot and killed a veteran in crisis who allegedly was wielding a knife.

This guy is a cowboy and once they get away with shit like that they are emboldened to think they are immune from the rules.

God the Daily News is such trash - "smooching" please - it was a kiss during an awards ceremony with his wife present. Does the Daily News do any real reporting cause they sound like a gossip rag rather than a serious newspaper - I stopped reading it literally decades ago.

I love that Agent Shirtless is called a hero because he is described as allegedly being single handedly responsible for having stopped a terrorist attack because he supposedly recognized a fake French accent. LOL!

I have to deal with guys like him regularly and they are usually terribly homophobic.

As someone upthread has already pointed out, he has violated all kinds of policy in pursuing a case he had no business pursuing. This ain't Criminal Minds. He can't be trusted in future. He's blown his credibility and he would be a wet dream to cross examine.

by Anonymousreply 27611/15/2012

[quote] there would be one no-bid contract. Every developer likes a no-bid contract, or sole source. This certainly seemed worthwhile pursuing."

There were tons of no-bid contracts given out by the Coalition Authority in Iraq.

I think maybe Jill's connection to a certain highly placed DC lawyer got her on the road to no-bid contracts. And she made friends with Petraeus along the way.

Remember when Fergie got caught peddling influence? But her ex-husband, whose influence she was peddling, walked away clean as a whistle. I don't believe for a minute that her ex wasn't involved in helping her make a living that way. But it was discovered by the royal family and they had it blowup all over Fergie before Andrew could be implicated.

Jill really did know someone who gave out no-bid contracts. Her ex-BIL.

After her sister and BIL divorced, Jill probably figured she could continue to make deals with the connections she still had, Petraeus being one of them. But her ex BIL was waiting and watching to blow it up in her face. He may have been the one behind the meeting of this "Victor" and Jill Kelly.

by Anonymousreply 27711/15/2012

[quote]The Kelleys bought the home for $1.9 million. According to a report on NPR this morning, they haven't made a payment on the home since 2009.

!!! How can this happen?

by Anonymousreply 27811/15/2012

I still think the sisters were used to having millions of dollars to play with, but the source of their millions suddenly dried up and left them in the lurch. And the source of their millions was a husband who handed out no-bid contracts in Iraq and later handed them out in the US.

I'd like to know if the Kelly's were financially solvent when the Wolfes were dating/married and if their insolvency started when the marital trouble began.

There's an awful lot being left out in this story.

by Anonymousreply 27911/15/2012

[quote] !!! How can this happen?

It could happen if they paid cash for it ;-)

by Anonymousreply 28011/15/2012

They definitely had a mortgage on the house.

by Anonymousreply 28111/15/2012

Great questions, R279!! I like the way you think.

by Anonymousreply 28211/15/2012

It was a serious question at R278. How can they get away without making mortgage payments for over two years on a mansion? Would mortgage insurance pay or could their lawyers keep the bank at bay for this long? I'm naive about these things.

by Anonymousreply 28411/15/2012

me too, r284.

by Anonymousreply 28511/15/2012

R284, I heard the interview and wished they had pursued that. The guy giving the story is from a Tampa newspaper and he probably wrote about it in the last few days. Perhaps you can find something online that gives further info. I didn't get his name but I think the paper may be the Tampa Tribune.

by Anonymousreply 28611/15/2012

Florida has a HUGE backlog of homes awaiting foreclosure.

I know a couple of people who've recently purchased Florida 'short sales' on which no payments have been made for years. Both the original homeowners and their banks are relieved to get the sales done.

by Anonymousreply 28711/15/2012

Thanks, R287.

by Anonymousreply 28811/15/2012

REPORT: David Petraeus Talked Paula Broadwell Out Of A North Carolina Senate Run

Barton Gellman has an excellent piece at Time about the evolving David Petraeus sex scandal and how it unfolded from the perspective of Petraeus and Broadwell.

The most interesting chunk of the deep dive comes on page three.

Gellman reports that Broadwell was approached by "Republican moneymen" about running for a U.S. Senate seat in North Carolina.

The race would presumably be against Democrat Kay Hagan, who is up for re-election in 2014.

Broadwell considered the opportunity. But according to the report, she brought up the possibility with Petraeus, who shot it down:

Petraeus, she said in an irritated tone, rejected the idea out of hand. What was her position, he asked, on abortion? Climate change? Gun control? Gay marriage? Tax cuts? Social Security vouchers? Her answers, he told her, would not fit either party, and she should not sell herself out.

In Petraeus' mind, this would be an understandable red flag, as his affair with Broadwell was going on at the time.

by Anonymousreply 28911/15/2012

why are some military types so revered? They seem generally dim witted, uncreative, racist, sexist, homophobic, have routine/boring jobs, sex addicted or sexually abusive.

by Anonymousreply 29011/15/2012

rewatch An Officer and a Gentleman...it's the macho mythology.

by Anonymousreply 29111/15/2012

[quote] Broadwell was approached by "Republican moneymen" about running for a U.S. Senate seat in North Carolina

I'd like to know more about this. Which republican moneymen? Ones affiliated with former Bush administration spooks, like Natalie Khayams husband?

by Anonymousreply 29211/15/2012

I agree with you on Grayson Wolfe, he is murky and an interesting part of this story. I would like to see more on this. Maybe rawstory or a blog can pursue since MSM will not.

by Anonymousreply 29311/15/2012

THIS Grayson Wolfe?

by Anonymousreply 29411/15/2012

Yesterday, I made a comment about Wolfe's role in Iraq and his connections with the last Republican administration at the linked article. It registered as accepted, but it looks like they're not posting any comments.

by Anonymousreply 29511/15/2012

hmmmmmmmm

by Anonymousreply 29611/15/2012

Banks also let foreclosed residents stay in their homes because they are likely to maintain until the market corrects abd it can be sold. Also don't want homeless people or drug addicts moving in causing damage

My sister has been living in an apt building for 4 years after landlord lost the building. They pay for utilities like heat (prevents pipes bursting etc). Another resident bought a water heater.

by Anonymousreply 29711/15/2012

I live in an area that wasn't hard hit by the housing bust, but I saw a house in my neighborhood just sold for $460,000 less than it was bought for in 2005. I really felt for the people who bought it at the top of the market. No doubt they were told it abutted reserve land. Yeah, it abutted about 50 feet of reserve land and then a housing development was built right up against that lil bit of reserve land.

by Anonymousreply 29811/15/2012

R299, please fuck off back to Freepsville, ta very much.

by Anonymousreply 30011/15/2012

[bold]Petraeus shoots down latest GOP conspiracy theory[/bold]

Putting aside the strange notion that Petraeus' adultery would affect the president's political standing, this looked pretty silly when we learned some congressional Republicans knew about the story before the election.

The right's second conspiracy theory was that David Petraeus' sex scandal was part of a larger scheme to prevent him from testifying on Benghazi. This is just as dumb as the first -- Petraeus had already testified once, and his resignation won't stop him from testifying again.

Which leads to the right's third conspiracy theory.(...) In this new theory, the White House knew about Petraeus' affair, and told Petraeus to mislead Congress or the administration would leak the scandal and ruin him. In other words, Obama was blackmailing the director of the CIA. (In fairness to Krauthammer, he's not the only one spewing this garbage; "Fox & Friends" pushed the same nonsense last week.)

[bold]Petraeus is a free man, and can now say as he pleases, and he's now shooting down this inanity, too.[/bold]

[quote]Former CIA Director David Petraeus on Thursday said his resignation had nothing to do with the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, and denied disclosing any classified information.

"He has made it very clear that [his resignation] was about an extramarital affair and not over classified information or Benghazi," CNN's Kyra Phillips said.

I keep waiting for a Republican adult to step up and say the party is wrong to lose its mind over this, but it's not happening.

by Anonymousreply 30111/15/2012

I'm so glad "patriots" are using cutting edge social medial like Myspace.

by Anonymousreply 30211/15/2012

Oh please! All those Generals do, is broker no bid contracts with whomever will give them a piece of the pie. I'd like to see them all canned...or retired or brought up on charges.

by Anonymousreply 30411/15/2012

Anyone else notice that when they show TMZ-esque footage of these people, the people screaming questions have Brit accents?

Don't those fucking assholes have enough trash in their own country to follow around?

by Anonymousreply 30511/15/2012

R303 - Your response sounds like a non sequitur...

by Anonymousreply 30611/15/2012

R303 not saying miltary is not necessary but by revered I mean they try to make them out as hero types fit to lead in government when maybe they are just lackeys with a narrow world view.

by Anonymousreply 30711/15/2012

Has the Chinese cartoon version of this mess been released yet? I need the clarity only it can provide.

by Anonymousreply 30811/15/2012

Doesn't Florida have that unusual "homestead" thing where your house can't be taken away?

by Anonymousreply 30911/15/2012

r303 are you reading impaired? Or do you just need to take a xanax and chill out?

by Anonymousreply 31011/15/2012

[quote]Doesn't Florida have that unusual "homestead" thing where your house can't be taken away?

It can't be taken away in order to pay a court judgement. When O.J. was taken to court by the families of the people he killed, he was found guilty. Meanwhile, he bought a McMansion in Florida so he could keep that money from paying off the judgement against him. As you can tell, I don't know all the technical legal terms.

The trio in DC who are involved with the murder of Robert Wone, also bought a home in Florida.

by Anonymousreply 31111/15/2012

She claims she was at the White House in September. No record of her in the visitor's log:

She told a reporter she was at the White House in September.

"Btw I was made the (honorary) Ambassador to US Central Command's Coalition!" she told a Times reporter in a Sept. 28 email. "In addition to that, I was just recently appointed to be the Honorary Consulate General to South Korea! I'm in DC today — just left from breakfast at the White House. . . . I really hope to see you soon!"

The White House visitor logs contain no record of Kelley ever coming through the doors. But if what Kelley says is accurate, it would prompt another slew of questions

by Anonymousreply 31211/15/2012

Maybe she went on a tour of the White House like the rest of the tourists.

by Anonymousreply 31311/15/2012

One of the emails that Broadwell sent her and Allen anonymously referred to a then-upcoming Washington meeting that Kelley was supposed to attend with Allen and Petraeus that was not known to the public.

These are nookie girls. I'm sure all manner of strings have been pulled for them to be able to slip around undocumented to almost anywhere they want to go when the generals are in town.

by Anonymousreply 31411/16/2012

I would love to read Broadwell's threatening emails. Pity Julian Asange's and Bradley Manning's current confinement. Those gossip boys would've SPILLED.

by Anonymousreply 31511/16/2012

WHORE!

by Anonymousreply 31611/16/2012

PROSTITUTION WHORE!

by Anonymousreply 31711/16/2012

How is this going to end? Will we get to see the content of any of the emails? God, I hope someone leaks them.

by Anonymousreply 31811/16/2012

How much longer will the media be referring to the twin sisters as socialites?

by Anonymousreply 31911/16/2012

It's amazing to me that she tried to pass herself off as some seasoned businesswoman and negotiator to the coal businessman. It's not even clear if she's worked a day in her life.

And why did this businessman think that Petraeus was somehow in charge of "free trade?" It makes him sound dubious, too. Yes, his name carries weight, but...

by Anonymousreply 32011/16/2012

This Jill girl is a loose cannon, non?

I would love to see this made into a movie. Whether they do or not, I predict Jill & NAtalie are getting their own reality show anyminute! Real Housewives of Tampa! Or Real Housewives of the Pentagon.

That Paula Broadwell is starting to look sane compared to them, but unfortunately, I only see a Lifetime movie in her future and one where she is only a "technical advisor" at that!

Casting Petraeus will be difficult unless they use prosthetics. He has rather distinctive teeth.

by Anonymousreply 32111/16/2012

I think Broadwell saw through Jill and Natalie's shenanigans and knew that Petraeus might be tarnished by association and tried to warn the girls off. Of course, she did it in the stupidest manner possible with a catty e-mail rather than planting seeds of doubt with key people. Or she could have done a little investigating and found all of the financial and legal difficulties and shown that to someone.

by Anonymousreply 32211/16/2012

The more that is leaked, the more it appears that the head of the CIA was incompetent or dirty. Maybe as a General he could entertain these girls but I always imagined the head of the CIA was more low-key and would know the background of anyone he was in close contact with. Why was a General in the position to name anyone as a honorary whatever to South Korea? And how would he be involved in any business fair trade. Isn't his job to conquer and defeat. Leave the business affairs to the politicians. Again,suspicious unless maybe he was getting sidekicks himself.

by Anonymousreply 32311/16/2012

Um,R323, WTF are you talking about?

Oh, nothing.

by Anonymousreply 32411/16/2012

I love how FAUX news is leaving out this part of his testimony:

The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to tip off the groups that the U.S. intelligence community was on their trail.

SO disgusting they are.

by Anonymousreply 32511/16/2012

"sidekicks". i love it.

but yes, the doling out of no-bid contracts is disgusting. i think we need an investigation into the finances of the top brass of the pentagon. truly shady shit is happening.

by Anonymousreply 32611/16/2012

Time Out for a quick question: Who was this Jill woman fucking? Petraeus? The General? Both?

Was anyone fucking the crazy sister?

Sorry, but it's really hard to keep this straight.

by Anonymousreply 32711/16/2012

Jill wasn't actually fucking anyone for sure, r327. She was hanging around BOTH Petraeus and Allen but so far no fucking evidence (evidence of fuckage).

The cray-cray sister wasn't fucking anyone in this little love-fest, either.

However, the cray-cray sister was married to some big wig in W's former administration. They are now divorced.

So the only fucking evidence we have (evidence of fuckage) is between Broadwell and Petraeus. Thus far.

by Anonymousreply 32811/16/2012

We don't know that Kelley was fucking anyone, but why would Allen (and possibly Petreus) go to such elaborate lengths to help, promote and even finagle an invitation to the WH for someone who was just a "family friend?" Plus, Broadwell may be nuts, but she must have suspected that this woman was some kind of real threat to her to try to go after her. Kelley was definitely fucking someone important.

The thing I can't figure out is why if Kelley was such besties with Petreus & Allen, she didn't go them about the email issue and not the FBI who blew the lid off the whole thing? Yeah, she may not have known it was Broadwell but that's got to be a pretty small circle of people and I would think either one of those two could've figured it out.

by Anonymousreply 32911/16/2012

Well, she's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

by Anonymousreply 33011/16/2012

The general is throwing everyone under the bus today. Someone start a thread.

by Anonymousreply 33111/16/2012

Details and/or link, R331?

by Anonymousreply 33211/16/2012

here's what I just read in the WPost; the quote came from NY loony Peter King, so take it with a grain of salt...

He (King) said Petraeus testified that the CIA gave the White House and U.N. Ambassador Susan E. Rice information on the Benghazi attack that differed from Rice’s public comments on the incident.

However, just for laughs I went to the Fox website & here's what they are saying:

Former CIA Director David Petraeus stoked the controversy over the Obama administration's handling of the Libya terror attack, testifying Friday that references to "Al Qaeda involvement" were stripped from his agency's original talking points -- while other intelligence officials were unable to say who changed the memo, according to a top lawmaker who was briefed. Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., told Fox News that intelligence officials who testified in a closed-door hearing a day earlier, including Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Acting CIA Director Mike Morell, said they did not know who changed the talking points. He said they went out to multiple departments, including the State Department, National Security Council, Justice Department and White House. "To me the question right now is who changed those talking points and why. ... I'd say it was somebody in the administration had to have taken it out," King told Fox News. "That, to me, has to be pursued."

...Democrats, though, suggested Republicans were taking the whole issue out of context. Rep. Adam Smith, D-Wash., said claims the talking points were changed are "completely wrong." Besides, he said, the affiliation of Ansar al-Sharia, the militant group suspected in the attack, to Al Qaeda is still being examined.

by Anonymousreply 33311/16/2012

here's a more measured analysis from the NY Times:

Mr. Petraeus said that classified intelligence showed that the deadly raid on the diplomatic mission was a terrorist attack, but that the administration withheld the suspected role of specific Qaeda affiliates to avoid tipping off the terrorist groups.

The C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies prepared unclassified talking points on the attack for members of Congress, and in them the references to Qaeda affiliates were changed to the less specific “extremists” to avoid revealing to insurgents that American intelligence agencies were eavesdropping on their electronic communications.

by Anonymousreply 33411/16/2012

[quote] SO disgusting they are.

Who?

Some people are idiots if they think that the government could release all the info they had on this. Or on tons of other things.

You're as bad as that nosy FBI agent who thinks he has a right to all the details of an investigation. Well, you don't.

This is a big hullabaloo over nothing. The intel was edited for security reasons before it was released to the public.

by Anonymousreply 33511/16/2012

r329 Broadwell also sent the anon emails to Allen, who forwarded the ones he got to Kelley, so I'm sure they discussed it with one another. I think she just whined to FBI Fred hoping that he could do some informal snooping to see who was sending them and get back to her with the goods. I don't think she intended it to be any kind of official investigation.

Of course when they went to see who owned the dummy accounts they were coming from, they found it was Broadwell. Then when they dug a little deeper, it looked like Petraeus had been hacked, so it automatically became a different and definitely official investigation. It would have all been dropped and nobody would be the wiser about it though, if FBI Fred, Teabagger Extraordinaire, hadn't been convinced Obama/DOJ were covering up the identity of the author of the emails sent to Kelley.

Has anyone read the TIME magazine "Spyfall" spread on this?

by Anonymousreply 33611/16/2012

[quote]It would have all been dropped and nobody would be the wiser about it though, if FBI Fred, Teabagger Extraordinaire, hadn't been convinced Obama/DOJ were covering up the identity of the author of the emails sent to Kelley.

I think the people who really dropped the ball were the agent's superiors at the Bureau.

They knew the agent's politics. It doesn't take a genius to figure out how someone like that would react to an info blackout on a politically sensitive matter.

His superiors should have had someone within the Bureau who shared the Agent's politics informally reassure him.

They also should have been clear, without being heavy-handed, that the situation was being taken seriously, but handled under the highest security because of the sensitive computer tech involved.

by Anonymousreply 33711/16/2012

Well first of all, there is no reassuring teabaggers. They are tinhats by nature, and no facts, evidence or soothing words will change their minds when they are convinced of a conspiracy.

Second, I think it's a little preposterous to believe that his superiors would have or should have known how he'd react to being barred from the investigation and kept in the dark about its closing (and remember why this was a deliberate choice by the investigators). That's a 20/20 hindsight kind of conclusion.

by Anonymousreply 33811/16/2012

Jill Kelley poses the same way in every photo, which reminds me of DL & NYSD fave Daniel Benedict, who also has a favorite style of posing that he uses in every photo.

by Anonymousreply 33911/16/2012

SO it's further confirmation that the fucking GOP pigfuckers would place political games and destroying Obama ahead of national security.

They harangue people and posture about how angry and appalled they are that the Ambassador and three other US citizens were murdered.

They want answers, and who's responsible, and why weren't we told, blah blah, blah,but in reality, they're actually fucking us up by insisting we violate national security by telling everyone, including the terrorists what we know.

What a bunch of assholes. I swear, I wish we could just fire them. I hope we get rid of Issa, Cantor, Ryan, King and Bachmann and all the rest of these cretins in 2014. It can't come soon enough for me.

by Anonymousreply 34011/16/2012

I think Jill Kelley will turn out to be a high class hooker who caters to bigwigs at MacDill AFB.

by Anonymousreply 34111/16/2012

I think so, too, R341.

by Anonymousreply 34211/16/2012

ong

by Anonymousreply 34311/16/2012

The more I read about the Jill Kelley aspect of this, the more I realize it was leverage. Petraeus office contacted her, or maybe he or his wife called her personally to ask her to inter vene with the locals to stop some guy from burning a Koran on the radio or some shit, because it would endager the troops and she starts calling people like the Mayor of Tampa, saying that "Petraeus wants your help, etc., blah, blah." Probably because she represents herself to Petraeus as an influential local person. Don't forget she was an active Republican with money and a reputation for lavish entertaining.

by Anonymousreply 34411/16/2012

[quote] I think Jill Kelley will turn out to be a high class hooker

Nothing high class about that grifter.

by Anonymousreply 34511/16/2012

too fug to be a hooker. she's going to turn out to be a madame- probably shipping whores over to teh war zone so the top brass could dip their wicks while stationed in the middle of nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 34611/16/2012

Jill Kelley - socialite

by Anonymousreply 34711/17/2012

Yes, that's it, R346. Do you think it will come out?

by Anonymousreply 34811/17/2012

well, "socialite" and "celebrity" don't really mean anything anymore, do they

by Anonymousreply 34911/17/2012

r338 I disagree.

From what I've read about this guy, his reputation as a yahoo was well-known. They call them 'cowboys' in law enforcement because it's a known type.

They are egomaniacs with high opinions of themselves who always like to be the 'action' guy to insiders and the big shot connected guy to outsiders. They also cultivate their reputations very carefully.

They can wreak havoc in complicated, sensitive investigations or situations (like Waco).

When they retire, they usually write books and present themselves as patriotic heroes and dogged, moral investigators.

It's no co-incidence he took his info to Reichert--another classic example of the type.

He also could've called the Bureau and used caution, but he saw a chance to further his career in the party.

FBI management really did fuck this one up.

by Anonymousreply 35011/17/2012

We're supposed to believe that the Special General managed to keep his hands off the woman for an entire year when they were inseparable in Afghanistan and the wife was 10,000 miles away, yet the relationship advanced once he was back home. Yeah right. While he was handled every second of every day by CIA security except when he was home in bed with his own wife.

by Anonymousreply 35111/17/2012

This Jill whatever her name is a con artist and glad that it's coming out now. She is so fake!

by Anonymousreply 35211/17/2012

Just reading the most popular comments on the Yahoo story leads me to think that people kind of get it. They are surprisingly on the mark for Yahoo commentary...

by Anonymousreply 35311/17/2012

R350, sounds to me like they should have just fired him, not gone to the trouble of mollycoddling him.

by Anonymousreply 35411/17/2012

Is "free trade" in the article code for hot White whores?

by Anonymousreply 35511/17/2012

So now the term socialite = slut or gold digging whore because of Paris and Kim.

First of all what socialite would you think worthy of the old school definition that wasn't a gold digging whore? They were with rich powerful men because they wanted money and power and couldn't get it for themselves.

The rest of the socialites were born into money like Paris and Kim. Neither of those females HAD to fuck anybody to get money. They were born into money. They fucked who they wanted to fuck and some of us got to see.

There needs to be an end to the demonization of women when they show the same kind of sex drive that men have. That method of tearing a woman down goes back to the Bible. It is an ancient form of oppression used to shame women and we need to stop participating in the use of this straight male tactic.

by Anonymousreply 35611/17/2012

There's a sub-culture of groupies around U.S. military bases, a world apart,like mini-soap operas come to life.

The military encourages volunteers and they do outreach in their local communities. The top brass cultivates local big shots and socially prominent leaders. They are dependent on the goodwill of the local communities and it is also helpful to be able to put out fires and keep a positive image. Good Community Relations.

But what surprises me is how this Jill took such advantage of all that. I can't help but believe she felt she had a pretty free rein, because she probably knew a lot of politicians and big shots thru her sister and brother-in-law.

Maybe they hated the B-I-L but they certainly felt like they could imitate him. Wouldn't surprise me if the two sisters were delusional enough to believe their connections would literally pay off eventually, one way or another.

I think the U.S. military bases are going to evaluate their entire community outreach and re-evaluate all these new friends. The nature of military life is transient so when they are welcomed by a community and people seem respectable, like doctors and hteir wives etc. sometimes it's hard to notice someone has a few screws loose and is nuts.

by Anonymousreply 35711/17/2012

The plot twists keep coming.... (I am not sure I could see Deidre Hall do this).

by Anonymousreply 35811/17/2012

Lots of great info in this thread! Some really interesting insights and comments too.

One thing that jumped out at me was the suggestion of a connection between Petraeus and Allen's public shamings and the support letters they provided for Natalie's custody case against her ex husband Grayson Wolfe.

The generals had to be certainly aware of Wolfe's neocon standing and powerful political position when they thumbed their noses at him in such a public way. For me the question is why would they stick their necks out like that at all, though? Why were they that besotted with these sisters that their good judgment fled? When you factor in Natalie's history, it makes even less sense that they would commit lies about what a wonderful person she was to paper for her custody case. They couldn't have been unaware of her own lies re Wolfe.

by Anonymousreply 35911/17/2012

Maybe the military was/is cynical about the coalition authority in Iraq and had issues with it or how contracts were given out or who received them. They probably had to deal with loads and loads of BS from them...

by Anonymousreply 36011/17/2012

I'm pretty sure he had a bodyguard or a whole phalanx of bodyguards while in Afghanistan. He didn't go running alone.

No reason he wouldn't have had alone time once back home.

by Anonymousreply 36111/17/2012

Thanks for that insight, R350. I think we all know that type; they do a lot of damage.

A lot of good has been done by mavericks who see injustice and bring it to light, but that's not who this yahoo is.

by Anonymousreply 36211/17/2012

everyday that grayson wolfe's name and former position is not brought up just makes it clearer that he is deeply, deeply, involved in this mess.

by Anonymousreply 36311/18/2012

Damn

by Anonymousreply 36411/18/2012

"Saturday Night Live" stayed away from Petraeus, but NPR's "Wait! Wait! Don't Tell Me" skewered him.

by Anonymousreply 36511/18/2012

THere is a great article in the Washington Post this weekend about the perks of being a general. Not just the top guys like Petraeus or Allen, but generals. It was unbelievable. Servants, drivers, soldiers raking leaves and doing yard work, free stuff. I urge everyone to read it. It's good this is coming out, because when they start talking about cutting back on these perks everybody used to scream, maybe now they won't. These guys live in another universe completely out of touch with real life.

by Anonymousreply 36611/18/2012

[quote]the perks of being a general.

Spouses enjoy some of the perks, too.

by Anonymousreply 36711/18/2012

Well of course they do. Spouses get servants and cooks and chaffeurs and are catered to like royalty. They even have built in baby sitters for their kids. The contrast between how they live and how the enlisted men or even junior officers live on a military base is very stark.

by Anonymousreply 36811/18/2012

The generals all think they are great fellows because everyone is so nice to them...

by Anonymousreply 36911/18/2012

Even The Daily Show and Colbert haven't mentioned who Greyson Wolfe is, which makes me even more suspicious that people have been warned off him.

by Anonymousreply 37011/18/2012

My uncle joined the Air Force back in the days when everyone over 18 had to serve. He came from a very poor family. They sent him to Liberia where he basically worked for high ranking officers. He took dictation, typed up reports and was a driver for the officers, taking them back and forth between the officers club and the golf course. He asked one of the officers, "How can I get all this?" gesturing towards the golf course and private club. The officer said, "Go to college on the GI bill and get a degree in business." and my uncle did. He had a pretty good life and one of his kids is now a ratty, two-faced local GOP politician..

by Anonymousreply 37111/18/2012

r371, that story reminds me of my Dad. He was a driver for a general in Korea and sort of looked up to him as a father figure. My parents were divorced and Mom was raising 3 very small children alone. The general told my Dad that the first thing he needed to do after the war was go back and beg that woman to remarry him and raise his own children like a man.

Dad did just that and was with my mother until his death a few years ago. If it weren't for that general, I wouldn't have been born.

Now...why haven't I seen the notorious picture on this thread?

by Anonymousreply 37211/18/2012

A family friend was a retired Colonel, and he never stayed in hotels, it was Officer's Clubs all the way. Dirt cheap (maybe free?), and the higher your rank, the nicer the room. As a Colonel he generally got the nicest suite, and they were on par with a suite at any upscale hotel. Most had pools and private golf course in addition to the restaurants.

He planned his travel around them, and as I recall there was a definite pecking order; the nicest Officer's Clubs were Air Force, then Navy, then Army, and he avoided Marine Corps bases because their Clubs were ghetto.

He was a real prick with a sense of entitlement that never quit. His wife was even worse. You would have thought she was the West Point graduate instead of him.

by Anonymousreply 37311/18/2012

no mention of grayson wolfe on any sunday morning shows. curiouser and curiouser.

by Anonymousreply 37411/18/2012

Wow, r372. Was your dad happy with your mother? Why did he leave in the first place?

by Anonymousreply 37511/18/2012

R366: It doesn't help matters when you have Republicans screaming about "entitlements," yet said nothing about the $2T Mitt was offering the Pentagon - and even they said they didn't need it.

by Anonymousreply 37611/18/2012

R366, the problem with cuts is that it's the enlisted men and women who get hit by them. The officer class will always make sure they're taken care of.

My great uncle served under General Douglas MacArthur in the Philippines during WWII. He went to his grave hating the man who lived like a king while his men had to fight one of the bloodiest campaigns of the war while they took care of his royal highness and the royal family.

by Anonymousreply 37711/18/2012

This is why you have to shake your head at the enlisted jackasses who hate Obama (and supported Mitt) when it's the president, the first lady and Jill Biden who have worked so hard for military families. Helping with programs that will get them support and jobs when they come home, while the GOP kills vet jobs bill.

by Anonymousreply 37811/18/2012

'All in'? Was 'Balls Deep' already taken?

by Anonymousreply 37911/18/2012

If she helped to expose the likes of long con grifters like the Kelleys and Grayson Wolfe's ex-wife, she's probably done the military and the country a service.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Paula Broadwell, whose extramarital affair with CIA chief David Petraeus led to his resignation, is telling friends she is devastated by the fallout.

A person close to Broadwell said Sunday she deeply regrets the damage that's been done to her family and everyone else's, and she is trying to repair that and move forward. The friend spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

A group of friends and neighbors welcomed Broadwell, her husband, Scott, and their young sons back to their home in Charlotte, N.C., after Broadwell spent more than a week being hounded by media while staying at her brother's home in Washington. The family friend said she was overwhelmed by the outpouring of support from her neighbors.

Broadwell is still being investigated by the FBI over classified documents found on her laptop and in her home, which investigators believe the author gathered while researching her biography of Petraeus in Afghanistan. Investigators say many of the documents are old and may no longer be classified despite their labels, and say Broadwell told them she did not get them from Petraeus.

The FBI stumbled onto their relationship after tracking anonymous emails Broadwell allegedly sent to Tampa socialite Jill Kelley, warning Kelley to stay away from Petraeus and Afghanistan war commander Gen. John Allen.

Kelley served as sort of an unpaid social liaison for Central Command, hosting parties at her and her husband's home, where senior officers would mingle with Tampa's elite. Officials say Kelley kept in near constant contact with Allen, and Petraeus before him, apparently trading on her friendship with the four-star commanders to advance her social status in the military-conscious community of Tampa.

The scandal widened when the Pentagon announced it was looking into that copious correspondence between Kelley and Allen, searching for possible evidence of an inappropriate relationship between the two married people. Allen's nomination to lead the U.S. European Command has been put on hold, pending results of the investigation, though officials now concede only a handful of the emails between Kelley and Allen are of flirtatious or questionable nature.

The FBI found no reason to further investigate Petraeus, but the CIA is now investigating whether the former director behaved inappropriately, such as possibly using agency resources to further the affair.

by Anonymousreply 38011/19/2012

and nothing to do with POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 38111/19/2012

[quote]The FBI stumbled onto their relationship after tracking anonymous emails Broadwell allegedly sent to Tampa socialite Jill Kelley...

Media still calling Kelley a socialite. You have to wonder where she gets all the money for the parties in her home -- a McMansion where the Kelleys stopped paying the mortgage in 2009.

by Anonymousreply 38211/19/2012

r375, Mom had ended the marriage because of what they would have called "carousing" back then. He always loved her. She remarried him more out of necessity.

by Anonymousreply 38311/19/2012

I wonder why the bank hasn't foreclosed if they haven't made a payment since 2009. If the bank foreclosed, wouldn't all of the neighbors hate them for driving property values down?

by Anonymousreply 38411/19/2012

I'd like to see an interview with some of the neighbors. They probably have some good stories to tell.

by Anonymousreply 38511/19/2012

R77, very interesting. The Philippines during WWII has many fascinating stories. Those Americans who were stuck there for the duration and almost starved to death under the Japanese. My dad was at Clark Air Field with his B17 when the Japanese bombed. His commander was spitting furious at MacArthur because he dilly dallied in decision making while they were waiting for the Japs to take out the Philippines once they were through with Pearl.

They were begging to go up with their bombers and head for Formosa or at least get the planes off the ground but MacArthur wouldn't give the go ahead. In fact it was like he was in hiding and refused to see anyone. Personally I think he was having a nervous breakdown when he refused to meet with Col George or whomever it was who drove to his headquarters to get him to act or at least let them act. Or he was too busy taking care of his own property and business etc.

I thnk if the military hadn;t needed experienced generals at that point at the begigning of the war he might have been court martialed. The destruction of the air forces in the Philippines was a greater set back to the Army Air Forces than the loss to the Navy at Pearl.

My dad was walking toward his plane when the Japs arrived and started bombing. In the end he lost his plane as did many others. Whenever I see old film from that day of men scrambling to their planes to get them up as they are being bombed I try to see if I can find my dad. He barely made it out of the islands before they finally fell.

I'd love to hear more about MacArthur.

by Anonymousreply 38611/19/2012

r386 -- your Dad's experience is the reason MacArthur's nickname was "Dugout Doug."

Yet he made sure the way was clear when he scurried to freedom.

by Anonymousreply 38711/19/2012

I never heard that about MacArthur.

I've read more about Generals from the Civil War, than those in WWII.

by Anonymousreply 38811/19/2012

Here's a 2007 Vanity Fair article about Halberstam's book on MacArthur and Korea. I haven't read it since then, but I remember the thrust was that MacArthur was a man far more interested in his own image and glory. Basically, a small man. Your dad's experience was repeated again in Korea under an entirely different set of circumstances.

[quote]In 1950, General Douglas MacArthur was hell-bent on chasing the retreating North Koreans to the Chinese border. Nothing would stop him—not orders from Washington, not intelligence reports that Mao's troops were building up in the area. Which is how hundreds of Americans got slaughtered at Unsan, one of the worst defeats of the Korean War. In an excerpt from his new, and final, book, David Halberstam weaves the tale of hubris, deception, and death.

What really surprised me in the article was his reliance on his army intelligence chief Major General Charles A. Willoughby, a man with far right fascist leanings who really knew how to manipulate and stoke MacArthur's ego and exploit his frailties.

[quote]Never would the weakness of his staff come back to haunt him as in Korea, especially with regard to Charles A. Willoughby. He was not just MacArthur's principal personal intelligence man, he was the only intelligence man who mattered in Korea. Most commanders wanted as many good sources of information as possible; MacArthur was focused on limiting and controlling the sources of intelligence. His desire was to have no dissenting or even alternative voices on his watch. It was always important to him that his intelligence reports blend seamlessly with what he had intended to do in the first place. In MacArthur's view, professional and unbiased intelligence estimates of the kind generated by the C.I.A. might have prevented him from doing what he wanted most: making the final drive to the Yalu. But only after Willoughby's great and catastrophic failure on the whereabouts and intentions of China's armies would the C.I.A. finally be allowed into the region.

[quote]Willoughby was a Prussian-born man of the far right, "all ideology and almost never any facts," in the words of Frank Wisner, the head of the C.I.A.'s Directorate of Plans. Willoughby's great hero—other than MacArthur—was the Spanish dictator Francisco Franco, a true Fascist who had been supported by the Nazis in his drive to power in the 1930s and who then tilted to the Germans during World War II. The higher Willoughby rose, the more Prussian he became. On occasion, he even wore a monocle, although, as one fellow officer put it, he was more like Erich von Stroheim, the movie director, than Karl von Rundstedt, the head of the World War II German General Staff.

Sad and tragic. It was almost for this man that you and your father wouldn't be alive. That sentence sounds awkward, but you know what I mean.

by Anonymousreply 38911/20/2012

Oops. I meant R377 not 77.

by Anonymousreply 39011/20/2012

Thanks for that info, R387 and R389. I used to hear things about MacArthur and others - not good things- from my mother that she obviously got from my dad. After the war my dad had been in the CIC (Counter Intelligence Corps) - military intelligence. I guess he passed tidbits to my mom in later years - never to us.

[quote] It was almost for this man that you and your father wouldn't be alive.

R389, I've always hated MacArthur and his hypocrisy but I never thought of it quite like that. But you're absolutely right. Now I really hate this man.

[quote] I never heard that about MacArthur. I've read more about Generals from the Civil War, than those in WWII.

Exactly. The Civil War is mostly irrelevant to today's world. What forces keep it so much in the forefront anyway? We need to move away from too much time spent on that aged war and spend more time on the WWII era and its aftermath which is still relevant to trouble spots in the world today.

WWII may have seen some of the worst evil the world has known but it also saw much of the best of mankind at so many levels. I am amazed at what was accomplished by so many people from all walks of life in the planning and conduct of that war.

I'm currently researching the women involved in the S.O.E. - Special Operations Executive section of UK military intelligence - which as well as spied also performed the "dirty tricks" against the nazis usually behind lines. They were incredibly courageous and resourceful women.

by Anonymousreply 39111/20/2012

[quote]The Civil War is mostly irrelevant to today's world. What forces keep it so much in the forefront anyway?

You're still fighting it.

Lincoln's freeing of the slaves was strategic, not moral. Not owning up to and parsing that are the reasons it's still relevant.

by Anonymousreply 39211/20/2012

[quote]Lincoln's freeing of the slaves was strategic, not moral. Not owning up to and parsing that are the reasons it's still relevant.

A civil war is probably more relevant to a country's psyche and maybe even direction, for numerous reasons, than an international conflict. First and foremost, that civil conflict doesn't unify, unlike a World War. The Spanish Civil War is one modern example that is still affecting Spain and will capture the interest of historians, again, for numerous reasons.

You're going to have to explain how Lincoln's strategy and intent, and whatever our not "owning up" or "parsing" are that makes this civil conflict more memorable for us than a civil conflict in, say Lebanon or Spain, makes it less memorable and important for them.

by Anonymousreply 39311/20/2012

Are we done talking about Jill Kelley? What's the latest?

by Anonymousreply 39411/20/2012

Gloria Allred is getting involve on Natalie's behalf. Oh, delicious.

by Anonymousreply 39511/20/2012

I was responding to the second sentence, r393.

It's in the forefront because, as you say, your country is still divided.

The slaves weren't freed because of a moral belief that people are inherently equal and of worth. It was part of a war strategy to force all states in line with the Federal government.

Many abolitionists viewed from a biblical perspective, i.e. obeying God's will, rather than a basic human right.

While many African-Americans recognize this, most other Americans don't.

by Anonymousreply 39611/21/2012

Petraeus and Frau Holly as young'uns. They both looked rather... special.

by Anonymousreply 39711/22/2012

ARLINGTON, Va. — Here on an expensive but otherwise unremarkable street in the suburbs of Washington, David H. Petraeus is managing a new life in the doghouse.

He is seeking forgiveness from his furious wife, missing his old job as director of the Central Intelligence Agency, fighting off cabin fever — and plotting a comeback.

Friends say that Mr. Petraeus, who resigned from the C.I.A. on Nov. 9 because of an extramarital affair, so far has offers to teach from four universities, a grab bag of book proposals from publishers in New York and an interest in speaking and serving on corporate boards. He has hired Robert B. Barnett, the Washington superlawyer, to handle his future, and friends say he has not even ruled out becoming a talking head on television.

But no one in Mr. Petraeus’s tight circle of defenders disputes that for now the world of one of the nation’s most celebrated generals has shrunk spectacularly. Once talked of as a future Republican candidate for president, the former commander of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan spends his days largely at home in self-imposed exile, e-mailing and talking to friends on the phone. He works out on a stationary exercise bike, unable, at least in the first days of the scandal, to get out for his daily runs.

Friends say he remains as ambitious as ever, but sounds different.

“Basically he’s the same guy but considerably more subdued, in terms of his spirit,” said Mr. Petraeus’s close friend Jack Keane, the former vice chief of staff of the Army. “And that’s understandable. His voice doesn’t have the same peppiness in it.”

Friends fret that a man used to a turbocharged schedule — not to mention motorcades, secret trips to the Middle East and invitations to the best tables in Georgetown — has too much time on his hands.

“I asked him whether he’d seen a certain article, and he said: ‘No, send it my way. I’m looking for something to read right now,’ ” said a close friend who asked not to be identified discussing Mr. Petraeus’s private life. “He kept such a grueling schedule. This is unchartered territory for him right now.”

Another friend, who also asked not to be named, had similar thoughts. “Several of us are concerned,” the friend said. “He’s a very active individual. He needs to stay active.”

Mr. Petraeus’s friends say his first priority is to make things right with Holly Petraeus, his wife of 38 years, and their two grown children, but Mrs. Petraeus has not been keeping her husband company at home during the day. A spokeswoman for the federal Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, where she works, said on Wednesday that Mrs. Petraeus has been at the office every day since the scandal broke.

Mrs. Petraeus, who runs the agency’s Office of Servicemember Affairs as a consumer advocate for military families, wrote two blog posts for the agency’s Web site this week: one with a co-worker warning about deceptive mortgage advertisements, and another, written solo, about the perils of buying a flood-damaged used car. “Once you’ve signed the contract you’re committed, so Know Before You Owe!” she concluded.

Her expertise, USA Today reported earlier this year, comes from the financial mistakes she and Mr. Petraeus made as newlyweds: buying a red sports car that spent more time in the shop than on the road, putting down a deposit on an apartment they had not seen, acquiring a foosball table as their first piece of furniture.

by Anonymousreply 39811/22/2012

Their house, on a verdant Arlington street of $1 million and $2 million homes — for security reasons, the address is listed in no public property records — is expected to be Mr. Petraeus’s center of operations at least until the first of next year, the earliest his friends say he could venture out from the wilderness with a Barnett-approved new job or position.

Mr. Barnett’s clients have included Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, fired by President Obama in 2010 as the NATO commander in Afghanistan, and Oliver L. North of the Reagan-era Iran-contra affair.

Mr. Petraeus, who remains under investigation by the C.I.A. for whether he misused the perquisites of his position to facilitate the affair, is in the meantime, friends said, mulling over how he became entangled with Paula Broadwell, whom he met when she began researching a book on him.

“The way he describes it, he said, ‘You know, I wasn’t sure right away that she was writing a biography; I thought it was a book on Afghanistan,’ ” said one of the friends, referring to Ms. Broadwell’s decision to turn her unfinished dissertation into a book on Mr. Petraeus. The friend did not explain how Mr. Petraeus could have had such a view. “It sort of developed over time, and he realized belatedly that it was about him.”

When Ms. Broadwell told Mr. Petraeus that her book advance was well into the six figures, the friend said Mr. Petraeus decided, “Well, I better help her to get it halfway right rather than pushing her away to have something come out that was half-baked.”

Mr. Petraeus has said that he broke off the affair over the summer, but friends said he told them he continued a relationship with Ms. Broadwell to help her with her dissertation. “He was trying to put it back on a more professional plane,” the friend said. “He thought he could do that.”

Friends say Mr. Petraeus will never write a book about his experiences, although one confidant said the former C.I.A. director is considering a book on what the friend termed “leadership.”

As Mr. Nagl put it: “He’s the most ambitious guy I’ve ever seen. I’m absolutely confident he’s going to succeed again.”

by Anonymousreply 39911/22/2012

Who thinks the CIA set him up?

by Anonymousreply 40011/23/2012

I thought they were on his side...or he was on their side...or more to the point, on the side of our industrial military complex.

by Anonymousreply 40111/23/2012

But, then again, lots of folks were jealous of his media attention....

by Anonymousreply 40211/23/2012

I don't think they set him up, but from the way the TIME "Spyfall" article was written, they didn't like him much.

by Anonymousreply 40311/23/2012
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