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David Frum: Republicans fleeced & exploited by "conservative entertainment complex"

Finally one of them realized it.

by Anonymousreply 4611/11/2012

And Ronald Reagan was the one who started this Conservative Entertainment Complex

by Anonymousreply 111/10/2012

R1 Give credit where credit is due.

by Anonymousreply 211/10/2012

Yeah, that is pretty much it in a nutshell. There is no way for the two parties to govern successfully together if the Democrats are operating on the basis of reality and the Republicans are over-the-line batshit crazy and operating in a fanciful universe they have constructed entirely for themselves.

by Anonymousreply 311/10/2012

Sell, his mother was a much respected Canadian journalist who died fifteen or twenty years ago, but she was no Diane Sawyer (though probably a better journalist) and she was certainly no Mother Theresa. She just interviewed people with thoroughness and a restraint. If she'd lived she probably have been replaced by a pair of blonde implants and be suing for wrongful dismissal.

by Anonymousreply 511/10/2012

According to Linda Frum book on her mother, the CBC was planning to merge the show with the National at any time.

Which would have left her without a job, as Peter Mansbridge wanted to the entire hour to himself.

by Anonymousreply 611/10/2012

LOL - and about the dead!

by Anonymousreply 811/10/2012

It's like they're waking up from a fog.

[quote]Yet more evidence that we have been living in fantasyland for too long now. I don't want to hear that this is all Romney's fault, or all the campaign's fault. The simple fact is that in the run-up to this election, we were fed a steady diet of lies, from all our "loyal" sources. We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press - Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest? How do we expect to win elections if we can't even get straight facts about the electorate? But maybe it's our own fault. There was practically a revolt around here when Erik said he didn't think the polls were false. And yet he was right, and they were right. Have we become allergic to the truth?

by Anonymousreply 911/10/2012

Seriously, R9. One poster suggested that it was rascally Dem coders who wrote the ORCA program. Other people set him straight. They're finally realizing that you can't blame Democrats for everything.

by Anonymousreply 1011/10/2012

What's ironic is that for years Republicans told everyone not to trust the press, then they did.

by Anonymousreply 1111/10/2012

[quote]We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product.

Well, boo fucking hoo. Caveat emptor, dummy.

by Anonymousreply 1211/10/2012

What the hell did Peggy Noonan have to do with this mess? She's a sort of country club, pearls and knits, feel guilt if you fuck the Mexican man with the lawnblower one over ginned afternoon type, but she's no Tea Partier.

by Anonymousreply 1311/10/2012

R13 Peggy is part of the talking heads of the Conservative Entertainment Complex. No one is calling her a Tea Partier.

by Anonymousreply 1411/10/2012

[quote] What the hell did Peggy Noonan have to do with this mess?

She was on Fox News and in the Wall Street Journal predicting a huge Romney win, and the wingnuts believed her. She claimed that the pollsters and statisticians like Nate Silver who were predicting an Obama win must be wrong because she saw lots of Romney yard signs and just knew in her heart that Romney would win. She said people should put more trust in their gut feelings than in things like polls, data, and evidence.

by Anonymousreply 1511/10/2012

And, if I recall correctly, Peggy was pushing "Romney is going to win" as late as the morning of Election Day. Every now and again, she might say something that is marginally reasonable, but it is not often enough. So, yeah, she is part of the problem.

by Anonymousreply 1611/10/2012

OK, that explains Peggy. I always thought she was just primly telling gentle fairy stories about the shining city on the hill. I didn't know there was Kool Aid in her flask all these years.

by Anonymousreply 1711/10/2012

It is Kool Aid mixed with a [bold][italic]very[/bold][/italic] heavy pour of gin.

by Anonymousreply 1811/10/2012

R4, no she isn't

by Anonymousreply 1911/10/2012

I would hope the rethugs continue with their heads deeply buried up their own asses. Fox was somewhat of a help in getting some of our liberal voters motivated. The more fauxTV talks stupid, the more of their jibberish is second hand repeated and heard by some unmotivated liberals. This certainly didn't hurt our Obama turnout.

by Anonymousreply 2111/10/2012

David Frum already has a "Why Romney Lost" book ready to go. Wow!

by Anonymousreply 2211/10/2012

Pegs was right in the way a stopped clock is about Sarah Palin, but I've never been able to take seriously someone who saw Ronald Reagan through the filter of a foot fetish.

BTW, her WASP-matron-with-Locust Valley Lockjaw schtick is just that.

by Anonymousreply 2311/10/2012

Is there a scorecard for keeping track of which Republicans are blaming who?

Frum & Scarborough - blame Rush and Fox News

Rove - blames ?

Coultergeist - blames ?

Karen Hughes - blames rape candidates

Bill O'Reilly - blames black and latino people who want stuff

Who else?

by Anonymousreply 2411/10/2012

Rove blames Democrats for "voter suppression," i.e., being big meanies who ran truthful ads about his candidate.

by Anonymousreply 2511/10/2012

He really will say anything, won't he?

by Anonymousreply 2611/10/2012

I learned from DL that Republicans accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of. In this case it's voter suppression.

by Anonymousreply 2711/10/2012

The person in r9's post is going to get run off of that website for being too reasonable.

Let's hope they are and the party of cray-cray sinks deeper into the throes of delusion.

by Anonymousreply 2811/10/2012

It's really rich to hear Karl Rove (!) accuse the Democrats of (GASP!) running NEGATIVE ADS AGAINST THEIR OPPONENT! Gee, I wonder where the Democrats got that idea from?

by Anonymousreply 2911/10/2012

[quote]I learned from DL that Republicans accuse others of what they themselves are guilty of.

Projection has been their stock-in-trade for as long as Rove has been running things.

by Anonymousreply 3011/10/2012

Mittens blames Sandy and Chris Christie, correct?

Which ones are blaming Mittens himself?

by Anonymousreply 3111/10/2012

Rove blamed Sandy.

by Anonymousreply 3211/10/2012

[quote] We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest?

Note - they are still peddling lies and maintaining a false reality een as they pretend to expose them.

Do you really think the "conservative press" a la Rupert Murdoch, owner of a global media empire that includes FOX News and the Wall Street Journal, is NOT part of the "Mainstream Media?"

by Anonymousreply 3311/10/2012

R22. Frum has been working on his "Why Romney Lost" book for six weeks. He didn't start the day after the election.

by Anonymousreply 3411/10/2012

Yes, David Frum told Chris Matthews/Hardball on MSNBC that he started on the book six weeks ago.

by Anonymousreply 3511/10/2012

God, I forgot about Karen Hughes.

by Anonymousreply 3611/10/2012

[quote]It is Kool Aid mixed with a very heavy pour of gin.

It's common knowledge that Peggy likes her some single malt.

by Anonymousreply 3711/10/2012

[quote]Mittens blames Sandy and Chris Christie, correct?


by Anonymousreply 3811/10/2012

Frum & Scarborough - blame Rush and Fox News

Rove - blames everyone and everything but himself

Rush - blames a Mitt smear campaign by Dems

Coultergeist - blames ?

Karen Hughes - blames rape candidates

Bill O'Reilly - blames black and latino people who want stuff

Mittens - blames Sandy and Chris Christie

Charles Krauthammer - blames Mittens

Steve Schmidt - blames Trump and Rush

Laura Ingraham - blames Mittens and "entitled minorities"

Also in play somewhere are ORCA programmers, Candy Crowley, the United Nations, Paul Ryan and more.

by Anonymousreply 3911/10/2012

Fox & Friends: The hurricane and that one Black Panther guy.

by Anonymousreply 4011/10/2012

Frum will be roundly trashed or ignored, but he's right. The GOP has made a deal with the devil in aligning itself with FOX. They've roused their base, but they've limited it as well.

A lot of people who might be sympathetic to certain tenets of conservative doctrine would be repulsed at joining up with the likes of Coulter, Hannity, Palin, and the sour, accusatory columnists at the National Review.

by Anonymousreply 4111/10/2012

I remember walking through Montreal years ago, with all the poor peasants starving on the street. It really worried me, until a Canadian friend told me about what David Frum's mother was doing for these pitiful souls.

by Anonymousreply 4211/10/2012

They discover this every time they lose an election. Then they get amnesia.

by Anonymousreply 4311/10/2012

Why Did Romney Lose? Conservatives Blame Single Women

There are many reasons for this divergence, including age, income, and racial differences between the single and married women, but right-wing media looks to be settling on a favorite explanation: Loose gals vote Obama. Unlike, say, Sean Hannity's now evolving position on immigration, clearly morphing in order to somehow get his guys a few Latino votes, this impulse to label single women as sluts is certainly no one's idea of voter outreach. But it does serve the dual purpose of demonizing Obama voters and reminding Fox News and rightwing talk radio audiences of their favorite porn narratives. Laura Ingraham, sitting in as host of The O'Reilly Factor last night, brought together a panel of church ladies to sneer at the unmarried and their wanton ways:

by Anonymousreply 4411/10/2012

I never liked Frum on Real Time but shockingly he's written a couple of things lately that made complete sense. His article about abortion was on point.

by Anonymousreply 4511/10/2012

Glenn Beck blames Catholics, John Boehner, people who make less than $50,000/year, Karl Rove, blacks, Jews, and college students.

He is the worst kind of fool, but the video of his shock and awe is absolutely hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 4611/11/2012
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