The Romney campaign was fleeced by con men from their own party
The campaign invested heavily in untested GOTV mobile software that largely failed to activate volunteers on Tuesday. It was sold and designed by well-connected Republican political firms. Meanwhile the conservative media and consultancy class spun a cocoon about Romney's imminent triumph while the Obama team was outplaying them.
What kills me is here was a candidate running on the basic idea that he was a superior manager who could turn the country around. And yet he ran a campaign that was rife with infighting and easily taken in.
For much of their history, including their very founding, Mormons have shown a vulnerability to con men. It appears Romney is not immune to that inclination.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/10/2012|
I would love to hear more about this.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/10/2012|
He's too isolated, too different. To be a Washington "player" you have to schmooze and booze, wheel and deal, grease palms and slap backs.
He went home promptly every evening to Ann.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/10/2012|
Sounds as of someone built a suicide pill into the software.
Heh heh heh heh.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/10/2012|
John Krakauer, author of "Into the Wild" wrote a very good book called,"Under the Banner of Heaven: A story of violent faith". It centers on a specific notorious murder among Mormons but is actually more about the history of the Mormon church. It is a compelling read. Cautionary note, there is a difference between the modern Mormon church and the off shoots and cults like the polygamy clans in Colorado City. He tells the whole story, all the sects etc. There is a good murder story also.
I dislike Mormons, they are tax exempt, have massive financial holdings, will do any skullduggery to make money. They hate gays, spend money to undermine them. They are not charitable to any but their own.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/10/2012|
Jesus Fucking Christ I don't like the Church of LDS either but stop trying to tie Romney's wickedness to his religion. George W Bush, Ronald Reagan and Nixon were bigger SOBs and I don't remember anyone going after their respective Methodism, Presbyterianism and Quakerism. Friggin' Harry Reid is a Mormon and you seem to tolerate him.
Romney's religion is stupid but all religions are stupid.
[quote]I dislike Mormons, they are tax exempt, have massive financial holdings, will do any skullduggery to make money... They are not charitable to any but their own.
I've read enough about German history that, no matter what the target is, seeing something like this gives me chills down my spine.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/10/2012|
it does seem an especially duplicitous religion though.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/10/2012|
The stabbing' nanny was in hock supposedly for makeup she bought and needed to sell. It immediately brought the Mormon pyramid scheme NuSkin to mind. I wonder if it was skin products rather than makeup. Or if the Mormons now have a makeup pyramid scheme.
But that is how their schemes work. They hook in deluded individuals -- mostly women at the bottom of the socioeconomic scale -- and entice them to spend money on "setting up a business franchise." Be your own boss! Be an entrepreneur! Own your own business!
But they have to buy a certain amount of product each month. And if they don't sell it, each month they get deeper and deeper into a financial hole.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/10/2012|
Romney and his inner circle thought he was the one we had been waiting for. However, we often have to tolerate douchebags, but we generally don't elect them.
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"I donated to the Romney campaign. Not much, but it was what a could afford. I think it came out to about $300. That's grocery money to feed my family. That's gas money to get my kids to school and for me to get to work. And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans? Words can't describe how angry this makes me. And this "good man" allowed this to go on right under his nose. Mitt Romney owes me and a lot of other Americans a huge apology"
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/10/2012|
[quote]George W Bush, Ronald Reagan and Nixon were bigger SOBs and I don't remember anyone going after their respective Methodism, Presbyterianism and Quakerism.
R5. Those religions you named are generally not overreaching, overarching, overbearing, controlling, bigoted, homophobic and judgemental cults. Mormonism is.
[quote]Romney's religion is stupid but all religions are stupid.
R5. Mormonism is more than stupid; it's dangerous. It's psychologically controlling and unhealthy.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/10/2012|
Do Quakers wear magic underwear?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/10/2012|
The party of con men gets conned by the same tactics they try to use on others. Not even remotely surprising.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/10/2012|
There's a good chance the person quoted at R9 has been running around calling Obama supporters stupid and gullible.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/10/2012|
This doesn't have to do with the Mormon thing specifically but I have been wondering if there weren't a whole load of people, including Karl Rove, who made a shit ton of money off of this election from gullible wealthy Repub donors while knowing they'd never win with a gasbag like Romney. Rove might be getting pulled apart by the media but he's secretly laughing all the way to the bank, no doubt.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/10/2012|
anyone who bothers attacking Quakerism is a complete maroon.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/10/2012|
[quote] Mormons have shown a vulnerability to con men.
Mormons ARE con men.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/10/2012|
I really hope more and more Republicans who donated to Romney's campaign wake up and get pissed off at how their money was used to line the pockets of wealthy con-men.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||11/10/2012|
[quote]And this is how it was spent? To line the pockets of wealthy charlatans?
Where did the person in R9 expect her donation to be spent? "Wealthy charlatans" are ubiquitous around political campaigns and even when there is no fraud involved, campaign money is likely to be flowing into their pockets.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/10/2012|
OP, that's quite the article. WOW!
In another thread I mentioned I hated "Game Change" because it actually made me feel sorry for Sarah Palin and how she was so very over her head. This article ALMOST made me feel sorry for Mitt. ALMOST.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/10/2012|
Part of the con game is money laundering legally; doling out bonuses to friends on the payroll seemed to be a favorite way of cash washing and cronyism.
He learned this from LDS Inc.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/10/2012|
How about this take on it -- the GOP didn't want Romney to win because they don't want to have to load the SCOTUS with anti abortionists. They want Roe v Wade to stand so they can continue to make bucketloads of money and get millions of votes from the gullible religionists who are one-issue voters.
Wanting to lose doesn't preclude making shitlads of money off an election. These are politicians were talking about.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/10/2012|
I'll confess I am quietly gloating over Rmoney's loss and the subsequent peek behind the scenes at the campaign.
Recently I worked for a company that operates very much like the Rmoney campaign - arrogant, self-important, so sure of their own place in the world that they regularly dismiss any evidence to the contrary and anyone not "towing the party line" is vilified.
To see these fuckers brought down by their own hubris is just so delightful, it must be sinful!
People this out of touch with their employees and customers (low-level campaign staffers, social media, the voters) deserves to implode as spectacularly as this campaign has done.
It's nice to see someone get bitch-slapped by the very people they were trying to fleece.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/10/2012|
Comments on the thread seem to have a lot of people who actually write code and implement, talking about how shitty the program was.
And when people start in with their "conspiracies", the engineers are just shooting them down.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/10/2012|
Perhaps a very well placed democratic mole was involved in developing the software program and injected the poison pill. That would be so nice.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/10/2012|
I don't think so, r25. It sounds like the whole thing was just shitty from the beginning - no poison pill required.
They just figured it would work because it's supposed to and there is no need to "test" anything. Really, it's just how the entire Rmoney campaign was run, in a nutshell.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||11/10/2012|
R5, I'm former LDS. They are not at comparable to those sects of Protestantism. Read what other former LDS have written in the Romney threads. Google ex-Mormons. There are blogs and sites dedicated to their particular brand of lunacy.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/10/2012|
Romney touted his business acumen as a prime reason for his election.
Like most consultants, of course, he's as clueless about "business" as he is about caffeine.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||11/10/2012|
Brilliant! The less personal contact the better!
How repug of them
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/10/2012|
"Let's place Karl Rove in a nice home. He can take up knitting. Ann Coulter should be employed as an aid. Peggy Noonan will be on bed pan duty; she's good at dealing with such things. I am tired of being told who the nominee is before the primary season has begun."
|by Anonymous||reply 30||11/10/2012|
What happened to all of Romney's so-called business expertise during this campaign? Turns out he only knows how to swindle and scheme the IRS, his church and some of the public--just like he did with his vulture capitalist company that ruined so many people's futires. But he no clue how to govern and the ways of government. He was also a failure as a governor.
Romney is a lying fraud.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/10/2012|
R7 This is a good point, but the broader point is that people who buy into ANY religious, unscientific beliefs (e.g., evangelicals who believe the Bible is literal) are the prime targets for pyramid schemes and similar scams because they are the most gullible part of the population.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||11/10/2012|
THIS IS HILARIOUS. Romney impersonator on Howard Stern!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||11/10/2012|
I've worked for five different businessmen who were a lot like Romney. They were all incredibly stupid and arrogant men who made terrible mistakes for which they took no personal responsibility. Everyone had to pitch in and help bail them out of their with no thanks. They were all part of that system where the wealthy send their unbright kids to the best schools where they learn nothing except who to befriend.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||11/10/2012|
They're starting to turn on Fox and Woopert.
[quote]Yet more evidence that we have been living in fantasyland for too long now. I don't want to hear that this is all Romney's fault, or all the campaign's fault. The simple fact is that in the run-up to this election, we were fed a steady diet of lies, from all our "loyal" sources. We need to hold not only the Romney campaign accountable, but also the conservative press (specifically the Murdoch press - Fox was the worst of the bunch), and the establishment talking heads like Karl Rove and Peggy Noonan. We need to get clear about something: these people are selling us a product. They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories. We complain about the MSM, but can we honestly say that the conservative press has been more honest?
|by Anonymous||reply 35||11/10/2012|
That's just plain dumb. Fox has to lie to keep its viewers happy. They've never been in the business of telling the truth, never pretended to be that I know of.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||11/10/2012|
If he had accurate software, he wouldn't have believed it. Typical B-school jerK: Delegate and surround yourself with kissasses who keep telling you how wonderful you are.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||11/10/2012|
[quote]They have been taking our money and telling us bedtime stories.
How exactly is Fox "taking [their] money"? Through their cable bill?
|by Anonymous||reply 38||11/10/2012|
[quote][[R5]]. Those religions you named are generally not overreaching, overarching, overbearing, controlling, bigoted, homophobic and judgemental cults. Mormonism is.
So is the catholic church. I think the catholic church is worse: they get tax exemption in the US, despite the fact that they run a bank and are in for-profit industries like health insurance. They are controlled from the top down by an absolute ruler. The inner circle seemed to have offed the last ruler who was the last gasp of liberalism, probably because he was ready to shut down the bank (which had a huge billion $$$ fraud scandal). They officially oppose any civil rights for gays and spend tons of money defeating any pro-gay efforts. The whole puppet show is run by closet cases, pedophiles, and their protectors. They've spent millions in payouts to sex crime victims, and we'll never really know how much.
To me, the mormons pale in comparison to that.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||11/10/2012|
Your life is a scam when you let others manipulate you because they promis you some great reward that will either never materialize or awaits you in the afterlife.
Regarding the Republican Party. Each and everyone of them deserves to be conned. Make them go broke. Humiliate them. Uncover their greed and hunger for more power. Reveal their hypocrisy. Profit from their insecurities and their fears.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||11/10/2012|
I'll bet the poster quoted by R35 was immediately attacked on the message board for being "disloyal" or a socialist or Democrat.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||11/10/2012|
Fox News is comfort for the stupid Republican voting masses. You don't take that away from them without a fight. The Republican Party will need to create a new scapegoat frontman/woman/group that brings down (or gets rid of) Fox News in order for the stupid masses not to turn against the Republican Party itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||11/10/2012|
Consultants in DC making money, who would have thunk it. Having lived and worked in DC for 8 years, I've cottoned onto the whole consultancy scheme--they are amoral incompetent people who advise other incompetent people. It's such a scam. And to think, in my 20's, I thought the ultimate glamour business job was in consulting (yes, I even looked into Bain). Thank god, I dropped that fantasy quickly. The amoral part is that they don't give a shit about left, right or center. Yes, many of them will identify with a political party but at the end of the day, they are all about making a dollar. There are plenty here in DC who don't give a shit about politics if a huge contract is on the line.
My boss is a dye in the wool libertarian and yet 100% of our team's revenue is from federal and state governments.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||11/10/2012|
R38 What's the equivalent of Payola for tv?
|by Anonymous||reply 44||11/10/2012|
He and his team are incompetent - imagine how badly they would've screwed up if he had won.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||11/10/2012|
No worry r45. He wouldn't have governed anyway. He would have sold America to the highest bidder and pocket the profit.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/10/2012|