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Breaking News: General Petraeus Resigns as CIA Director

Cites extra-marital affair as the reason (ouch).

His statement (just read on-air by Andrea Mitchell), says that he went to the President last night and the President accepted his resignation. The inside-the-Beltway chatter says that some guy named Morrell at CIA will probably take over as the next Chief.

Petraeus and the President have never liked each other.

by Anonymousreply 60211/13/2012

Over at Daily Koz, they're saying that Andrea Mitchell practically had a breakdown when she was reporting this. Can't wait to see the video.

by Anonymousreply 111/09/2012

He was there all of 5 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 211/09/2012

He was head of the CIA for one year and two months - which is not exactly a minute.

by Anonymousreply 311/09/2012

Whore.

by Anonymousreply 411/09/2012

Say what you will about Andrea Mitchell, she's gotten better at this and isn't nearly the troll she was for eons. Her show does seem to break almost every big story!

by Anonymousreply 511/09/2012

Obviously he was being blackmailed.

by Anonymousreply 611/09/2012

What channel is she on?

by Anonymousreply 711/09/2012

It [italic]had[/italic] had to be something unsavory. How would this be handled if he were still active duty? Isn't adultery against regulations?

WASHINGTON -- CIA director David Petraeus unexpectedly resigned Friday, citing “poor judgment” after engaging in an extramarital affair.

In a statement sent to CIA staff, Petraeus said he had personally delivered a letter of resignation to President Obama on Thursday, which was accepted Friday.

“After being married for over 37 years, I showed extremely poor judgment by engaging in an extramarital affair,” Petraeus said. “Such behavior is unacceptable, both as a husband and as the leader of an organization such as ours.”

Petreaus, who turned 60 this week, assumed leadership of America’s fabled spy service in September 2011, replacing Leon E. Panetta, who became secretary of Defense. He previously served as top commander in Afghanistan, head of U.S. Central Command, and top commander in Iraq.

Petraeus’ wife, Holly, is an official with the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. A long-time military wife, she was appointed in 2011 as head of the agency’s Office of Servicemember Affairs, which looks out for the financial interests of people in the armed services.

White House press secretary Jay Carney, who was holding his regular press briefing as news of the resignation broke, declined to offer any details. But in a statement released later, Obama thanked Petraeus for his “extraordinary service.” "By any measure, he was one of the outstanding general officers of his generation, helping our military adapt to new challenges, and leading our men and women in uniform through a remarkable period of service in Iraq and Afghanistan, where he helped our nation put those wars on a path to a responsible end. As director of the Central Intelligence Agency, he has continued to serve with characteristic intellectual rigor, dedication, and patriotism. By any measure, through his lifetime of service David Petraeus has made our country safer and stronger,” he said.

Obama said he was confident the CIA would “continue to thrive and carry out its essential mission.” Michael Morell, the agency's deputy director, will serve as acting director.

“My thoughts and prayers are with Dave and Holly Petraeus, who has done so much to help military families through her own work. I wish them the very best at this difficult time,” he said.

James Clapper, director of National Intelligence, praised Petraeus’ decades of service to the country “in uniform and out.”

“Of all the exceptional men and women I have worked with over the years, I can honestly say that Dave Petraeus stands out as one of our nation's great patriots,” Clapper said in a statement.

by Anonymousreply 811/09/2012

It seems so silly to lose one's job -career actually, over an extramarital affair. I see the blackmail aspect if it, but still he always was more than competent.

by Anonymousreply 911/09/2012

I watched Andrea Mitchell break the story. She was pretty much in tears, voice shaking, etc.

She and whatshisname - Mr. Former Fed Chair - must have been social buddies with Petraeus and one presumes with Mrs. Petraeus.

by Anonymousreply 1011/09/2012

[quote] He was head of the CIA for one year and two months - which is not exactly a minute.

It is in terms of being head of such an organisation.

by Anonymousreply 1111/09/2012

Wonder who the little home-wrecker is?

by Anonymousreply 1211/09/2012

If that's true, R10, should she not have recused herself?

by Anonymousreply 1311/09/2012

The Justice Minister in France was fucking 8 (EIGHT) men when she fell pregnant last year. Did she quit? No; because the French are adults and understand what you do in your private life and who you fuck is distinct from how you perform your job. Grow up America.

by Anonymousreply 1411/09/2012

DC would be a ghost town if every government official had to resign because of an extramarital affair. If that's the true reason then it's ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 1511/09/2012

He was probably caught fucking his secretary on his desk.

by Anonymousreply 1611/09/2012

I always get him confused with General Grievous.

by Anonymousreply 1911/09/2012

Sources state Mitchell was upset because they finally installed mirrors in her dressing room this morning.

by Anonymousreply 2011/09/2012

Sounds like Andrea Mitchell may know who personally involved.

by Anonymousreply 2211/09/2012

Maybe Andrea Mitchell is the mistress?

by Anonymousreply 2311/09/2012

This jerkoff opposed the repeal of DADT because of the 'immorality' of homosexuality. Utter hypocrite.

by Anonymousreply 2411/09/2012

Maybe JOHN Mitchell is the mistress...

by Anonymousreply 2511/09/2012

It was a young man.

by Anonymousreply 2711/09/2012

They're always afraid of blackmail and being compromised in the security agencies.

They have a zero tolerance policy for agents caught in compromising circumstances. Petraeus is not immune from that policy.

by Anonymousreply 2811/09/2012

I know but a regular old boring affair with a woman?

Couldn't he and his wife simply have gotten a divorce?

Unless it was a female (or male) spy, I don't see what the dingdong deal is.

by Anonymousreply 2911/09/2012

How would he know if his paramour is or isn't a spy? The nature of affairs is secretive, so I don't think he went out of his way to have her checked out. I know it's an extreme thought that the head of the CIA would be involved with someone who could damage national security. (well, not really if Judith Exner Campbell can sleep with Sam Giancana and the President at the same time.) Shouldn't the head of an agency be held to the same standards as his or her charges?

by Anonymousreply 3011/09/2012

The mentality of the Cold War is still strong in DC, especially in the security services.

by Anonymousreply 3111/09/2012

Honesty and integrity matter, R29.

You betray your partner, how do we know you won't betray your President, or your country?

by Anonymousreply 3211/09/2012

Does this have anything to do with the GOP harping on Benghazi?

Or is that all dead now that they've lost?

by Anonymousreply 3311/09/2012

This will just fuel the speculation that the whole Benghazi fiasco was a cover up and he's taking the fall.

by Anonymousreply 3411/09/2012

So soon after the election? Somebody has political capital!

by Anonymousreply 3511/09/2012

Patraeus: Conduct Unbecoming.

by Anonymousreply 3611/09/2012

His wife looks like Miss Piggy and he's a renowned fitness freak. He's probably been cheating for the past several years, but some skank probably threatened to go to the press.

by Anonymousreply 3711/09/2012

Faux will continue to froth at the mouth about Benghazi so that they don't have to discuss reality. That prick Issa will hold some hearings in the House, blah blah blah. No biggie.

The rest of the country will continue to regret the loss of life in Benghazi and NOT blame it on the President (nor on Petraeus for that matter).

Sensible people understand Benghazi for exactly what it was - not what Faux is trying to pretend it was - it's a loser as an issue.

by Anonymousreply 3811/09/2012

Breaking news now his female biographer is under FBI investigation for viewing his emails. Guess we know who he was fucking.

by Anonymousreply 3911/09/2012

According to Richard Engel, apparently It's not about the affair, it's about the woman, Paula Broadwell, Petraeus's biographer, having improper access to his emails and records when she was working on her book. It's not about Benghazi, although Petraeus will not, at present, be testifying before Congress. Congress of course could subpoena him to testify if it wishes.

by Anonymousreply 4011/09/2012

She's probably like 21 or something.

by Anonymousreply 4111/09/2012

The General's ho: Paula Shag....I mean, Broadwell

by Anonymousreply 4211/09/2012

[quote]One of the comments suggests that there had been consideration of Petraeus running for President.

Mitt's team was floating him as a VP candidate last summer. (He's a Republican)

by Anonymousreply 4411/09/2012

[quote]Paula Broadwell on her book "All In: The Education of General David Petraeus"

Gee, the porn version's title is already written!

by Anonymousreply 4511/09/2012

He had an affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell.

You can google her name.

She is a research associate at a Harvard academic dept/think tank and a Phd candidate at War College I believe.

She spent a lot of time with Petraeus in Afghanistan.

She is quite good looking. A million billion times more good looking than his wife unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 4611/09/2012

Thanks, R42 - she's not umm.... compellingly attractive but I'm sure she's a few decades younger than his wife and maybe Paula gives head.

by Anonymousreply 4711/09/2012

What the hell is she wearing on Charlie Rose's show? Same for what she wore on the Daily Show. Is it me or are these weird attire choices for a professional woman? They remind me of what Fox bimbos wear.

She's from the Suzie Wetlaufer school of biographical writing, I see.

by Anonymousreply 4811/09/2012

Children would only get in the way of our ... [italic]erotic lifestyle![/italic]

by Anonymousreply 4911/09/2012

His wife's dad was a four star general. Petraeus is a notorious social climber, so that's why he married that troll.

by Anonymousreply 5011/09/2012

The fuschia top falling off her shoulders evokes that alluring Pnom Penh streetwalker effect that drove the General mad with desire.

by Anonymousreply 5111/09/2012

That's quite a diamond she's wearing in R49's link. I wonder who that was from?

by Anonymousreply 5211/09/2012

Here's Mrs. Petraeus. I mean seriously, can you blame him? Oink oink!

by Anonymousreply 5311/09/2012

He did not resign because he was screwing that skank. There is definitely more behind this.

by Anonymousreply 5411/09/2012

Holly Petraeus lives at 538 Wyman Way! She weighs 300 pounds and is an alcoholic! She eats an entire cake in one sitting! You should see her stretchmarks! Because of her drunkenness, both of her children are delinquents! She's the hairiest woman I've ever laid eyes on!

by Anonymousreply 5511/09/2012

Must be her favorite top.

by Anonymousreply 5611/09/2012

R50, the nightly news just showed a photo of Petraeus' wife on the day they were married, and she was beautiful and very attractive.

It's sort of rare to see a woman change that much from her 20's to her 50's and 60's.

She had really changed horribly and desperately needs a makeover.

On her wedding day, she had super long blonde hair, a thin body, and a very pretty face.

by Anonymousreply 5711/09/2012

She's not just fat, Mrs. General Petraeus looks downright mean, R53.

R54, apparently the FBI is investigating the mistress having had improper access to his computer, emails, files, etc. Presumably these included highly classified CIA and US security information. This creates a major fucking problem for General Petraeus.

Despite his resignation, his trouble over his bit on the side is far from over.

Ready for Faux to blame the President for not knowing about Petraeus' skank in 3..2..1

by Anonymousreply 5811/09/2012

Oh, Larry Kudolow is whispering that Obama forced him out so he wouldn't testify on Benghazi, and Larry Kudlow is nothing if not a loyal parrot for the Republican talking point of the day.

by Anonymousreply 5911/09/2012

Does he wear a rug?

by Anonymousreply 6011/09/2012

Quit the CIA because he's having an affair? No. I don't think so.

He probably did something really horrendous and Obama let him use this stupid excuse for leaving an organization that tortores people and has no morals. Now come on? How absurdly ridiculous is this excuse?

by Anonymousreply 6111/09/2012

"Broadwell, who attended Harvard University, is married and lives with her husband and two children in Charlotte North Carolina, according to her website

by Anonymousreply 6211/09/2012

R57, looks like menopause hit her hard, plus she isn't a tall woman who could easily absorb middle-aged weight gain.

by Anonymousreply 6311/09/2012

In R63's picture, David is not exactly swoon worthy. Actually they kind of look like an ugly brother and sister.

by Anonymousreply 6411/09/2012

[quote] [R54], apparently the FBI is investigating the mistress having had improper access to his computer, emails, files, etc. Presumably these included highly classified CIA and US security information.

Like the emails regarding Benghazi.

Faux was breaking a lot of info about Benghazi that seemed to be coming from a classified source.

Looks like the administration found the source(s), baby.

It was Patreus and his gal pal.

by Anonymousreply 6511/09/2012

[quote] Is it me or are these weird attire choices for a professional woman? They remind me of what Fox bimbos wear

BINGO!

You get the prize.

She IS a Fox bimbo who doesn't work for Fox on the official payroll. She attended the military academy. Petraeus never really got along with Obama. I think Obama gave Petraeus the CIA job in one of those "keep your enemies closer" moves.

Someone's been feeding Fox official Info. Guess who it is?

by Anonymousreply 6611/09/2012

Apparently she wanted to end the relationship and the General went bonkers and sent her HUNDREDS of emails.

Can you say mid-life crisis?

by Anonymousreply 6711/09/2012

From an article about Fox News that was published by Dan

[quote] first noticed it over the whole Benghazi saga. Day after day [bold] Fox would breathlessly unleash yet another leaked cable, or internal State Department memo, exposing failures in the protection of Ambassador Stevens, his staff and his embassy. And I ignored them; firstly because there were so many ”revelations”, [/bold] secondly because they were clearly being pushed as part of a wider political agenda and thirdly, because they were from Fox. And Fox, in my eyes, is synonymous with poor and partial journalism.

[quote] But in retrospect, some of what Fox was publishing was actually – in journalistic terms – solid material. Setting aside the crazy conspiracy theories, it was clear that concerns had been raised about security at the embassy compound. There were legitimate questions to be asked about the nature of the military response once the attack was under way. But these weren’t being asked – to any significant degree – by other media outlets. And they weren’t being asked – in part – because the story was being driven by Fox.

Yessiree. Somebody has been feeding Fox highly classified information.

by Anonymousreply 6811/09/2012

Well, if he knew she was looking through his materials, he might well go bonkers and deluge her with hundreds of e-mails. Uh, so the commander of the multi-national forces in Iraq and later of Centcom showed such great judgement as to engage in an extramarital affair during wartime in the field, allow his lover to view classified materials and then deluges her with hundreds of e-mails after the break-up?

Shit! Shit! Shit!

by Anonymousreply 6911/09/2012

Sex scandals in the CIA or FBI are unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.

by Anonymousreply 7011/09/2012

[quote]Sex scandals in the CIA or FBI are unacceptable. Totally unacceptable.

But if you simply must do it, wear a red dress.

by Anonymousreply 7111/09/2012

I'm not suggesting he should do this, but the Old School ending to this little drama, especially if emails were leaked and security was compromised, would involve the General spending some time alone with his pistol.

I would put the odds at 1 in 4.

by Anonymousreply 7211/09/2012

New School ending would be Gitmo where he belongs.

by Anonymousreply 7311/09/2012

OMG, the ONLY time I ever watched FOX news was today at the Gym when all the networks were breaking the news. CNN and MSNBC were going on and on about his affair. The Fox reporter kept saying they do not know the reason why he resigned BUT it might have something to do with...BENGHAZI GATE!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 7411/09/2012

You would think that Fox might tread carefully here. They're still not out of the woods for what News Corp did with the phone tapping and police bribery and all in the UK. If they paid her for anything, or crossed any line here, they could wind up getting burned on this.

by Anonymousreply 7511/09/2012

WOW.

Will these men in power NEVER fucking learn?

by Anonymousreply 7611/09/2012

This letter is very interesting. The second one...

by Anonymousreply 7711/09/2012

For folks who only get 10 articles per month:

MY WIFE’S LOVER

[quote]My wife is having an affair with a government executive. His role is to manage a project whose progress is seen worldwide as a demonstration of American leadership. (This might seem hyperbolic, but it is not an exaggeration.) I have met with him on several occasions, and he has been gracious. (I doubt if he is aware of my knowledge.) I have watched the affair intensify over the last year, and I have also benefited from his generosity. He is engaged in work that I am passionate about and is absolutely the right person for the job. I strongly feel that exposing the affair will create a major distraction that would adversely impact the success of an important effort. My issue: Should I acknowledge this affair and finally force closure? Should I suffer in silence for the next year or two for a project I feel must succeed? Should I be “true to my heart” and walk away from the entire miserable situation and put the episode behind me? NAME WITHHELD

[quote]Don’t expose the affair in any high-profile way. It would be different if this man’s project was promoting some (contextually hypocritical) family-values platform, but that doesn’t appear to be the case. The only motive for exposing the relationship would be to humiliate him and your wife, and that’s never a good reason for doing anything. This is between you and your spouse. You should tell her you want to separate, just as you would if she were sleeping with the mailman. The idea of “suffering in silence” for the good of the project is illogical. How would the quiet divorce of this man’s mistress hurt an international leadership initiative? He’d probably be relieved.

[quote]The fact that you’re willing to accept your wife’s infidelity for some greater political good is beyond honorable. In fact, it’s so over-the-top honorable that I’m not sure I believe your motives are real. Part of me wonders why you’re even posing this question, particularly in a column that is printed in The New York Times.

[quote]Your dilemma is intriguing, but I don’t see how it’s ambiguous. Your wife is having an affair with a person you happen to respect. Why would that last detail change the way you respond to her cheating? Do you admire this man so much that you haven’t asked your wife why she keeps having sex with him? I halfway suspect you’re writing this letter because you want specific people to read this column and deduce who is involved and what’s really going on behind closed doors (without actually addressing the conflict in person). That’s not ethical, either.

by Anonymousreply 7811/09/2012

Paula Broadwell wikipedia

Paula Dean Kranz Broadwell (born 1972 or 1973[1]) is an American writer and researcher. She is the co-author with Vernon Loeb of All In: The Education of General David Petraeus, a biography and profile of then International Security Assistance Force commander David Petraeus.[2] On November 9, 2012, she was reported to have been involved in the extramarital affair which led to Petraeus's resignation as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency.[3]

Broadwell grew up in Bismarck, North Dakota, graduating from Century High School in 1991.[4] Broadwell graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point in 1995. She earned a master's degree from the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies.[5] She earned a Master of Public Administration from the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.[6] She has served as Director of the Jebsen Center for Counter-Terrorism Studies at The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. She later entered the Ph.D. program at Department of War Studies at King's College London.[7] She served in the United States Army and is a Major in the United States Army Reserve.

Broadwell has written for the New York Times and the Boston Globe. [8][9] Her biography of Petraeus, All In, was published in January 2012. In November 2012, law enforcement officials said Broadwell was being investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for improperly trying to access Petraeus' email.[10]

Broadwell is married to Scott Broadwell, an interventional radiologist. They have two sons and reside in Charlotte, North Carolina. In November 2012, it was reported that Broadwell had an affair with Petraeus, leading to his resignation as director of the CIA.[11]

by Anonymousreply 7911/09/2012

Confessing a long time big hard on for Petraeus

by Anonymousreply 8011/10/2012

[quote]She earned a master's degree from the University of Denver's Josef Korbel School of International Studies

This is where Condoleeza Rice got her BA and doctorate. I looked at a list of some notable grads and, from what I can tell, the Americans have a very conservative bent.

Trying to access the general's e-mail? This should work out very well for this Army Reserve Major.

by Anonymousreply 8111/10/2012

[quote]Trying to access the general's e-mail? This should work out very well for this Army Reserve Major.

I wonder if he changed the password to his email account but whoever she was working for, maybe Faux News, was demanding she give them more.

by Anonymousreply 8211/10/2012

It's scary that a guy who had so much power also had so little common sense and self-control.

Thinks With His Dick for one thousand dollars, Alex.

by Anonymousreply 8311/10/2012

Wouldn't the most sensitive, classified information be in a cable as opposed to e-mail?

by Anonymousreply 8411/10/2012

Am I the ONLY person who doesn't care that he resigned?

by Anonymousreply 8511/10/2012

I think most of us don't care that he resigned. We're just fascinated by schadenfreudish car wrecks.

You do know where you are, don't you, R85?

by Anonymousreply 8611/10/2012

Yes, I get that [R86], which is why I predicted that Ann Romney's "doings" will be following here for a loooooooong time; she's a natural fit for speculation.

by Anonymousreply 8711/10/2012

Petraeus is the one who gave a statement and said the affair is the reason for his resignation. That says whatever committee decided on that reason, it was because they want the salaciousness of the story to get our attention rather than the fact that he probably committed treason.

by Anonymousreply 8811/10/2012

Nice scenario, Rush. I wish I hadn't left my tinhat in my other car.

by Anonymousreply 9011/10/2012

OMG r89 is so full of shit his breath stinks.

Benghazi was an attack ON us, not a scandal by us. Jack ass.

by Anonymousreply 9111/10/2012

So what you're saying, R89, is that the right wing crumpet and West Point graduate, Paula Broadwell, is a traitor to the United States? Isn't Petraues one of your guys, too? His dick made him a traitor.

I know the election didn't turn out so well for you, but it's sad when your heros put their ya yas before national security and betray you.

by Anonymousreply 9211/10/2012

R92, I can only imagine how bad the situation had to be that Petraeus was willing to blow up his private life the way he did.

I joked earlier about him going to Gitmo. It's beginning to seem likely that he did something that would have landed anyone without his power and connections in federal custody.

by Anonymousreply 9311/10/2012

someone must be blackmailing him with his embarrassing emails.

by Anonymousreply 9411/10/2012

Petraues is the source of the leaks to Fox.

The administration discovered this, called him in and said, "General Petraeus, it appears you have been engaging an affair and your paramour has had access to high level emails and diplomatic cables. Tut tut. Please carefully word your resignation right here on this piece of paper we are handing you for your signature. Heh heh. An assistant will see you to the door."

by Anonymousreply 9511/10/2012

Quick reminder: Fucking with the CIA has consequences.

by Anonymousreply 9611/10/2012

[quote] So what you're saying, [R89], is that the right wing crumpet and West Point graduate, Paula Broadwell, is a traitor to the United States? Isn't Petraues one of your guys, too? His dick made him a traitor.

I'm not r89, but it's not treason when you leak documents of well-known past events to news outlets. Deep Throat did it when he leaked to Bernstein and the guy planted at the Washington Post by Naval Intelligence. Oh yeah.... Woodward. And Rove proved it's not treason to leak a CIA agent's ID to the press. The press and the pols work together. There is a right wing press and a non-right wing press. There are right wing pols and non-right wing pols. And there is a right wing CIA and a non-right wing CIA.

Petraeus is the source of the leaks. The administration is allowing him the cover of pretense that his gf was the source, since she was probably working with him on this little Benghazi news project.

And dat's dah name-ah DAT tune! (using my Robert Blake-as-Baretta voice)

by Anonymousreply 9711/10/2012

Since I'm sure the boys at FOX are already crafting elaborate conspiracy theories about this, how about one of our own?

I heard that Petraeus was part of a group (mostly military and CIA, but financed by the Koch Bros.) actively engaged in delivering the election to Romney.

Specifically, Petraeus was part of the group planning to tamper with the election results in Ohio and Florida and was caught at the last mintute by the FBI (that's why Rove and Romney were both so shocked).

How about the mistress being the hero of this story because she has all the emails, the names, the dates and everything else, and has already delivered them to the FBI?

by Anonymousreply 9811/10/2012

oh my lord. why is that crazy story SO easy to believe??

by Anonymousreply 9911/10/2012

r98, did you craft that yourself or is it a real rumor you heard...?

by Anonymousreply 10011/10/2012

[quote][R98], did you craft that yourself or is it a real rumor you heard...?

Let's think of it this way-- now it's a real rumor YOU heard, so take the ball and run with it.

Just give me a "based on an idea by" credit on the screenplay, and consider Anne Hathaway for the role of the girl and Bryan Cranston for the General.

by Anonymousreply 10111/10/2012

[quote]Specifically, Petraeus was part of the group planning to tamper with the election results in Ohio and Florida and was caught at the last mintute by the FBI (that's why Rove and Romney were both so shocked).

Petraeus was in possession of voting machine tampering software when the FBI came to his office just prior to his resignation. It is believed the software has the capability of overriding statewide election results. Inside sources are saying that election results in both Florida and Ohio were going to be destroyed and replaced with data that would be downloaded via the software. It is unclear at this time how many other states' election results were going to be targeted.

by Anonymousreply 10211/10/2012

A highly rated comment and editor's pick from the NYT article:

[quote]I hope the Petraeus family can figure this out and put it behind them. [bold]The General could become a compelling Presidential candidate some day.[/bold]

I do hope they can put it behind them.

But why does this person believe someone with such poor judgment would make a compelling presidential candidate?

Oh, I see. When your reference points are Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, Bachmann, and that Rick guy from Texas, Petraeus is a titan in every possible dimension that bears on leadership ability (including intellect). The morally flawed Petraeus, I suppose, is improvement over the morally bankrupt.

Repubs, is he your man for 2016?

by Anonymousreply 10311/10/2012

Ha, ha. The Daily Mail has picked up on the letter to the NYT advice column and is questioning if Mr. B wrote.

And Mr. Broadwell has gayface for daaaayyys.

by Anonymousreply 10411/10/2012

I hope this turns into the story that brings Fox News to its knees. It seems highly probable that Petraeus and/or his mistress were behind the leaks to Fox. And perhaps Fox was working with the mistress to gain access to the General's emails. News Corp. certainly has a history of doing just that.

by Anonymousreply 10511/10/2012

I haven't watched Fox at all (my cable package doesn't have it). What exactly are they saying that links them to Petraeus' e-mail?

by Anonymousreply 10611/10/2012

That letter to the advice editor was a plant. It was meant to be "rediscovered" after Petraeus resigned. Excellent job.

by Anonymousreply 10811/10/2012

But to what end, r108?

by Anonymousreply 10911/10/2012

And they were worried about gays in the military??? Straight men are the problem, not gay people.

by Anonymousreply 11011/10/2012

The husband is adorable.

by Anonymousreply 11111/10/2012

Please explain, r108.

by Anonymousreply 11211/10/2012

R111, you need to get your eyeglass prescription updated.

by Anonymousreply 11311/10/2012

[quote] But to what end, [R108]?

Seriously?

The "project," the "important effort" and the "mission" referenced in the letter is that of trying to bring down Obama, and/or running Petraeus for president in 2016.

Read it again.

Why is he continually referencing a future event to take place in "a year or two" which he believes must succeed?

What on earth else could it be referring to?

The person who wrote this letter is setting it up to show that the husband feels cuckholded, but on the other hand, someone very important to American leadership is involved and is involved in a "mission," an "important effort" and a "project" of great importance scheduled to take place in 2013 or so. It's the Benghazi project. If the husband goes public, the important American leader goes down and his mission fails.

by Anonymousreply 11411/10/2012

BENGHAZI??

by Anonymousreply 11511/10/2012

Holy moley!

[quote]The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode

by Anonymousreply 11611/10/2012

[quote]The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

Shit!

by Anonymousreply 11711/10/2012

Sounds like the mistress was totally unhinged and sending emails to the wife.

The plot thickens!

by Anonymousreply 11811/10/2012

Not the wife, according to sources.

[quote]The person who complained about harassing messages from Ms. Broadwell, according to the official, was not a family member or a government official. One Congressional official who was briefed on the matter on Friday said senior intelligence officials had explained that the F.B.I. investigation “started with two women.”

[quote]“It didn’t start with Petraeus, but in the course of the investigation they stumbled across him,” said the Congressional official, who said the intelligence officials had provided no other information about the two women or the focus of the inquiry. “We were stunned.”

by Anonymousreply 11911/10/2012

So who is woman #2, and why is she powerful enough to get the FBI involved in a nickel and dime drama usually handled by bored city cops on the day shift?

by Anonymousreply 12011/10/2012

[quote]The person who complained about harassing messages from Ms. Broadwell, according to the official, was not a family member or a government official.

Not family and not a government official. I smell a member of the press.

Who was the good general fucking at Fox News?

by Anonymousreply 12111/10/2012

Was woman #2 getting threatening emails from a CIA email address, R120? That seems like it would get someone's attention.

I wonder if Petraeus was two-timing the mistress with woman #2 and she got wind of it.

I knew this one was going to be fun when it first broke. Great drama.

Petraeus is a moron. Why am I not surprised?

by Anonymousreply 12211/10/2012

You don't have to be powerful to get the FBI involved if you invoke the name of the CIA director and provide some minimal proof of acquaintance. If the sender is unhinged enough to threaten woman #2, the FBI would be correct to think she might harm Petraeus, too.

by Anonymousreply 12311/10/2012

Woman #2 is Sen. Barbara Mikulski.

by Anonymousreply 12411/10/2012

R124 that's just wrong.

by Anonymousreply 12511/10/2012

Really?????????????Do you believe he quitted his job because an affaid!!!!!!!!!!!I think was because Bengazi.The men killed in Lybia worked for CIA and Petraeus lied to the president when the news broke.All that confusion was because Petraeus was lying to the White House.Petraeus is a republican supporter...... I hear Karl from here

by Anonymousreply 12611/10/2012

[quote]So who is woman #2, and why is she powerful enough to get the FBI involved in a nickel and dime drama usually handled by bored city cops on the day shift?

My name is Bush, Barbara Bush and this didn't work out so well for Mr. Patraeus and that crazy hussy of his.

by Anonymousreply 12711/10/2012

Exactly, Betrayus was in cahoots with those who needed to get rid of Obama. Obama should be watched carefully. They could not get rid of him through the vote, lets face it...he could be another Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 12811/10/2012

[quote]Paula Broadwell, whose affair with the nation’s C.I.A. director led to his resignation on Friday, was the valedictorian of her high school class and homecoming queen, a fitness champion at West Point with a graduate degree from Harvard, and a model for a machine gun manufacturer.

[quote]It may have been those qualities — and a string of achievements that began in her native North Dakota, where she was state student council president, an all-state basketball player and orchestra concertmistress

Paula Broadwell is the kind of person Sarah Palin wishes she were (or maybe thinks she is, in her own diseased mind).

by Anonymousreply 12911/10/2012

Paula Broadwell, a former military officer

Isn't she still a miIitary officer? I thought she was in the reserves, but I might be basing that on an outdated interview.

She looks almost exactly like my very VERY borderline personality cousin. Over the borderline, in fact.

Was her husband military?

by Anonymousreply 13011/10/2012

r126 you are insane, plus, "quitted"?!

by Anonymousreply 13111/10/2012

I was thinking more along the lines of ESL, R131.

by Anonymousreply 13211/10/2012

R91 and R92 have reading disorders.

by Anonymousreply 13311/10/2012

[quote] Mr. Broadwell has gayface for daaaayyys...

He sure does. Why did she marry him? She's obviously a GI groupie & he's obviously gay -- what in the world brought them together?

by Anonymousreply 13411/10/2012

maybe they are both spies.

by Anonymousreply 13511/10/2012

She isn't a GI groupie, she is a GI, R134. She's screwing within her own social group.

by Anonymousreply 13611/10/2012

OK, from Tinhat Central. It's long, but it's worth it:

Obama Topples Top Coup Leader After Washington Gunbattle

By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

The Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) is reporting today that President Barack Obama has accelerated the purge of US Military officers involved in a coup against his regime by the “firing in disgrace” of former Four-Star Army General and current Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) David Petraeus

According to this report, after his refusal to meet at the White House with Obama this past week, US Federal Forces loyal to the President stopped General Petraeus’ vehicle in DuPont Circle in Washington D.C. yesterday (Friday) morning whereupon a short gun battle ensued (Washington D.C. police are reporting this incident as an attempted robbery). General Petraeus was, then, apprehended, brought before Obama and forced to resign in disgrace over his supposedly admitting to an extramarital affair.

General Petraeus’s toppling follows similar attacks by the Obama regime in the past 3 weeks that has seen the unprecedented ouster of many top US Military leaders including Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette, US Army General Carter Ham, Brigadier General Jeffery A. Sinclair, and US Navy Commander Joseph E. Darlak, all of whom we had previously reported on in our reports “Obama Coup Plot Slams Into Russia” and “Obama Fires Top Admiral As Coup Plot Fears Grows.”

GRU analysts in this report say that Obama’s moves against his rebellious military most closely resembles those actions taken by President Franklin Roosevelt in 1933 against those involved in what is now referred to as “The Business Plot” engineered by wealthy American businessmen who were plotting to create a fascist veterans' organization and use it in a coup d'état to overthrow the US government.

Under great pressure to jail and charge with treason many top US Military officers after the failed 1933 coup attempt, this report says, Roosevelt, instead, opted to simply oust those Generals and other high-ranking officers in order to spare his country the turmoil such a revelation would cause among the American people.

Most ominous, however, in this report is it, likewise, comparing Obama’s ouster of General Petraeus to the 1961 firing of CIA Director Allen Dulles (1893-1969) by President John F. Kennedy (1917-1963). Though never proven, it is believed by many that Dulles ordered the assassination of Kennedy after a cryptic assassination directive was found in a leaked document in 2009, and in what can only be termed as ironic, Dulles was a central member of the Warren Commission investigation into Kennedy’s assassination that blamed this shocking murder on a “lone gunman.”

Unbeknownst to General Petraeus, or the other coup-plotters, this report continues, Obama had ordered the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to begin conducting covert human and electronic surveillance against hundreds of US Military officers when this coup plot was discovered.

The coups “master plan”, this GRU report says, was for US Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney to be assassinated just prior to the 6 November election whereupon General Petraeus would become the Republican candidate under their party’s rules allowing him to be put into Romney’s place by a majority of State Representatives as allowed under RNC party rules.

If such a scenario were allowed to occur, this report continues, General Petraeus would have most certainly became the next President of The United States due to his unprecedented popularity with the American people.

Important to note is that the only US mainstream media outlet attempting to report on this coup attempt was the magazine GQ, who in an article this past week, written by Marc Ambinder, detailed the massive security forces ordered by Obama to be put around both himself and Romney during the final weeks of the election and the many assassination attempts that were, likewise, foiled.

by Anonymousreply 13711/10/2012

I know you guys want very badly to make this about the repulfuckunts, Fox news and the fat guys, but it just isn't. He quit and will lawyer-up instead of testifying about Libya. Why? If he was the source of the lies, why? They helped the administration. They knew about the affair and sat on it. Why?

This will overwhelm the President's second term. So much more to come out. And watch how fast the Mr. Obama's media allies turn on him when there are Pulitzers involved. Ditto the U.S. Senate, et tu?

by Anonymousreply 13811/10/2012

How long until this shows up on a "ripped from the headlines" Law & Order:SVU?

[quote]Paula Dean Kranz Broadwell Paula Dean? Seriously?

[quote]Does he wear a rug? Just a merkin.

[quote]Gee, the porn version's title is already written! I prefer "Rock Me, Dave Petraeus!"

by Anonymousreply 13911/10/2012

How weirdly vague--the other woman wasn't an employee and wasn't a family member. I assume that R121 is right and the good general had yet another woman in his, her clutches. Who could it be.

I hope to god this doesn't overwhelm the second term. We don't need it to--we have such real problems that need our attention.

But I agree that much more is going to come out.

by Anonymousreply 14011/10/2012

It might spend a lot of time on the news. They need something big to fill the time the election used to take up. It also helps that it's sexy after a dry campaign season with very little titillation.

Even so, I don't see why it would hurt BO directly if a political opponent at the CIA can't keep it in his pants. BO's people are probably figuring out how to distance themselves already.

by Anonymousreply 14111/10/2012

Hank Greenberg is the person who "noticed" this letter from July to the NY Times sounded like the situation of the husband of Broadwell.

Greenberg is a CNBC employee who is close to Larry Kudliw and who was being investigated by the SEC when suddenly, Christopher Cox --- the Dubya-appointed SEC chairman and former member of the Reagan administration -- stepped in and chilled the investigation.

Curiouser and curiouser.

by Anonymousreply 14211/10/2012

Herb Greenberg. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 14311/10/2012

There's crazy stuff in the link at R137.

That said, all the military officers mentioned really were relieved of duty in the last month.

Here one, you can Google the rest:

In an unusual move, the Navy has replaced an admiral commanding an aircraft carrier strike group while it is deployed to the Middle East. The replacement was prompted by an Inspector General’s investigation of allegations of inappropriate leadership judgment.

Rear Adm. Charles M. Gaouette, the commander of the USS John C. Stennis strike group, is being returned to the United States for temporary reassignment.

In a statement the Navy said it had approved a request made by Vice Adm. John W. Miller, the Commander of U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, to temporarily reassign Gaouette “pending the results of an investigation by the Navy Inspector General.”

The statement said Gaoutte would return to the carrier’s home port of Bremerton, Washington.

A Navy official familiar with the circumstances of the investigation said it involved allegations of “inappropriate leadership judgment” and stressed it was not related to personal conduct.

The Stennis group arrived in the Fifth Fleet’s area of operations on Oct. 17 to replace the USS Enterprise, which was on the final deployment of its 50 years of service. The allegations are recent and were made within the last couple of weeks.

by Anonymousreply 14411/10/2012

Damn, it is starting to look like an attempted coup.

by Anonymousreply 14511/10/2012

Betrayus Petraeus.

by Anonymousreply 14611/10/2012

That stuff at R137 makes my head hurt.

in the article they mention a robbery attempt near the White House, supposedly part of the coup and not vanilla robbery attempt as the article suggests. However what I don't understand is why an article about a plain old robbery attempt garners nearly 600 cooments. Weird.

by Anonymousreply 14711/10/2012

cray-cray

by Anonymousreply 14811/10/2012

I can't wrap my head around some of this. But let's say there were plans of coup, maybe Obama's extension of the Patriot Act and whatever other citizen spying laws there are were really to catch a plan like that.

by Anonymousreply 14911/10/2012

Someone has watched "Seven Days in May" one time too many.

by Anonymousreply 15011/10/2012

wow, r149 that is an interesting idea.....

by Anonymousreply 15111/10/2012

So, did they plan to overthrow Obama or Romney? If it were Romney the coup would have been dropped the moment Romney lost, right?

by Anonymousreply 15211/10/2012

Diane Feinstein told the president not to accept his resignation.

by Anonymousreply 15311/10/2012

One thing, they always seem to underestamate Obama. They are so full of themselves...they were punked in Iraq by the Iraqis. We were all punked in Afghanistan...the whole world has a good laugh at our stupidity. We always think we are playing cowboys and indians while the rest of the world is playing mind games...we are playing with our guns and bombs.

by Anonymousreply 15411/10/2012

Do you know why, R153?

by Anonymousreply 15511/10/2012

R153, Diane said she wished the president had not accepted the resignation, but understood. Big difference from TELLING the president herself.

by Anonymousreply 15611/10/2012

Diane's comment, which made all the news stations, makes it look like this decision was 100% Petraeus to make. Whether it was or wasn't, Diane's comment heard round the nation, makes the whole thing sound so cut and dry.

We know it is not cut and dry.

by Anonymousreply 15811/10/2012

Thanks, R156 / R158. She's in a position where she has probably been asked to be discreet right now.

by Anonymousreply 15911/10/2012

These are top scenarios! Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 16011/10/2012

the FBI uncovered Petraeus' affair by chance. They were investigating harassing emails that the mistress had sent to a woman.

what an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 16111/10/2012

Technically anything that you can get blackmailed with can comprimise your job at the CIA or FBI.

by Anonymousreply 16211/10/2012

Judging by Feinstein's comment, and the fact that Petraeus wasn't the target of the investigation, I say there's no conspiracy or bigger scandal below the surface. Even Obama didn't accept his resignation at first and told him to sleep on it. If there was a big scandal, Obama would not have said that.

He simply had an affair, or affairs, and got caught with his pants down. Since he's head of the CIA, he had to resign. End of story.

by Anonymousreply 16311/10/2012

sorry. now i see someone posted earlier about the harassing emails.

i wonder if andrea mitchell knows the woman who reported the harassing emails and that's why she was shaken when reporting it.

what if andrea mitchell was the other woman?

by Anonymousreply 16411/10/2012

Just look at the timing (after election) and read between the lines for the REAL reason.

by Anonymousreply 16511/10/2012

Petraeus pledged fealty to Romney, r165?

by Anonymousreply 16611/10/2012

He resigned after the election so it wouldn't hurt Obama in the election.

by Anonymousreply 16711/10/2012

It's going to be interesting to see what the Sunday morning political shows have to say.

by Anonymousreply 16811/10/2012

r167 has it.

There is a code of conduct in the military. You can't ask your rank and file to follow that rule if a leader is busted for it.

by Anonymousreply 16911/10/2012

Read up on Allen Dulles, CIA head who was a serial cheater. Everybody knew; nobody cared. When DC wants to turn its collective head and ignore affairs, it does.

There's more to this than emails to another woman.

by Anonymousreply 17011/10/2012

The FBI thought Petraeus' personal email account which is separate from his CIA email account had maybe been hacked into so they investigated.

The front page at washingtonpost.com says right now that Clapper who is Obama's security chief asked Petraeus to resign before Clapper even notified officials at the White House about the affair and investigation into Paula Broadwell.

by Anonymousreply 17111/10/2012

Holy crap!!

by Anonymousreply 17211/10/2012

I'm not buy the military vs Obama story.

Military personal gave to Obama's campaign more than any other time this election. This doesn't gel.

by Anonymousreply 17311/10/2012

I always thought "General Petraeus" sounded like a made-up name. A comic book villain, or the evil mastermind in a Bond movie.

by Anonymousreply 17411/10/2012

He should probably resign just because he was the head of the damned CIA and he couldn't keep the fact that he was having an affair a secret.

If he can't handle that, he isn't qualified to run a worldwide intelligence network.

by Anonymousreply 17511/10/2012

Haven't you heard in your neck of the woods, R175?

by Anonymousreply 17611/10/2012

As someone posted upthread, 4/5 recent DCIs have had affairs and/or mistresses. They know whom they can and can't fuck in their positions. Generally, they're screwing around with people in the same clique who are not threats, or can be easily vetted if necessary.

Angleton was a fall down drunk and he didn't get shitcanned until he nearly tore the Agency apart. According to some, he also had serious mental health issues.

Petraeus was retired from the military when he became DCI and not subject to its rules on adultery.

This is purely political. I think he was the source of the Benghazi leaks. In fairness, I wouldn't discard some of the more reasonable "tin hat" posts on this. Watergate, which is still debated to this day, started out as a petty political burglary.

by Anonymousreply 17711/11/2012

I think the crucial point from which ALL of this starts is President Obama's fear of having a "Desert One" so close to the election. He said NO! to intervening in Benghazi. He refused to give the order which was absolutely essenmtial for anyone to move. The entire cover-up spreads out from there. As it always always always does. Everyone knows it, but only a very few completely loyal persons have proof.

by Anonymousreply 17811/11/2012

Eric Cantor knew very early due to FBI agent who leaked info

by Anonymousreply 17911/11/2012

So who is the "other woman close to Petraeus" his wife or another mistress?

If Broadwell showed any signs of being unhinged, TPTB would not be amused.

r178, don't forget on what specifically that decision was made: CIA info that was totally inaccurate.

I'm not a knee-jerk defender of the president by any means, but I think the agency bears responsibility for not having key info on the ground. That's been a problem in that region since Iranian revolution days.

by Anonymousreply 18011/11/2012

If this was an act of Obama pushing him out due to leaks ...

why did disgruntled whistleblower FBI agent report to Cantor 2 weeks ago on affair.

He is not a member of the Intelligence Committee. He clearly thought Cantor would take appropriate action on the info and he had opportunity to do so pre-election

by Anonymousreply 18211/11/2012

damn

by Anonymousreply 18311/11/2012

The FBI agent is not a "whistleblower", he/she is just a gossipy little bitch. Probably hoping to make a lasting name for itself by being the source of an October Surprise.

by Anonymousreply 18411/11/2012

[quote]Not a freeper or faux newser. Just disgusted.

The astroturf army is still going strong in the wee hours...

by Anonymousreply 18511/11/2012

Oy vey! This is killing me. Tee, hee the picture on the second page. Wife and mistress sitting on opposite ends of a stage behind their man. She referred to him by his childhood name of "Peaches"!

[quote]And it wasn’t long before the feds dug up sexually explicit emails between Broadwell and Petraeus — one of which referred to “sex under a desk,” according to conservative news site Newsmax.

[quote]And as they pored over the mountains of angry emails Broadwell is said to have later sent to the unidentified woman, it was equally clear that Petraeus’ paramour viewed her as a threat to her secret relationship.

[quote]For years, rumors swirled in Washington that Petraeus and Broadwell were an item.

[quote]“As soon as the announcement was made, I knew in an instant who it was,” a military source told businessinsider.com.

[quote]She planned to celebrate her 40th birthday party in the nation’s capital this weekend, with many reporters invited. But her husband emailed guests Friday night saying the soiree was canceled.

by Anonymousreply 18611/11/2012

The second woman is from Florida. Isn't that where Centcom is located?

It appears that General Genius had an easily hackable (at least by someone in Black Ops) password. What an eejit.

[quote]The FBI and prosecutors in Florida and North Carolina began investigating the possibility of email hacking, because [bold]at least some of the emails sent by Ms. Broadwell to the other woman included contents of messages that appeared to come from Mr. Petraeus's own account[/bold], these people said. The Justice Department and high-level officials, including Attorney General Eric Holder, were aware of the investigation for months, having to approve certain parts of the investigation.

Oh, wait. He may have shared the information for his personal acct.? Did he do it to prove his "love"? Double eejit.

[quote]Over the course of the probe, prosecutors realized there wasn't a cyber-breach. Instead, Mr. Petraeus had shared some access to the account with Ms. Broadwell, possibly to exchange messages, these people said.

And, fellas, the WSJ is your news source.

by Anonymousreply 18711/11/2012

so just a really stupid man blinded by sex.

next.

by Anonymousreply 18811/11/2012

"He resigned after the election so it wouldn't hurt Obama in the election."

Nobody cares about an affair enough to have changed their vote or stayed home, r167.

In any case, Obama could have absolutely refused to accept the resignation.

by Anonymousreply 18911/11/2012

Men shouldn't be in positions of power. They're too easily led astray by their dicks. Kind of embarrassing to see how stupidly and naively they behave.

by Anonymousreply 19011/11/2012

My guess is that the links on the mistress's computer to the General's files revealed that she was passing early raw intelligence cables about Benghazi to FOX. (the CIA get lots of conflicting reports, it's the analysts' job to figure out which readings are most likely and pass them on to State.)

Regardless of whether those reports were correct, that he allowed her access to, and to disseminate, Highly Classified cables as a consequence of his affair, is what distinguishes this situation from Dulles or other philandering DCIs.

He had to step down.

by Anonymousreply 19111/11/2012

Oy this desperation to tie this event to Benghazi is tiresome

It was reported that she had access to his personal gmail pw in the past (given to her by him) to exchange info (not related to us intelligence).

Once she became jealous of the FL woman she used his log in to read & then copy & paste some of his corresponce with FL woman in her threatning email.

FBI has confirmed that no security has been breached it was limited to "Human Drama"

by Anonymousreply 19211/11/2012

oh yeah, r192?

Benghazi benghazi BENGHAZI!!!

by Anonymousreply 19311/11/2012

And so resigned because...

by Anonymousreply 19411/11/2012

[quote] the FBI uncovered Petraeus' affair by chance

Now I know why people vote Republican. They believe anything someone else tells them.

"Of course this is entirely separate from a looming investigation! The FBI didn't know the head of the CIA has been having an affair. How could they? It's not like the FBI is an intelligence agency that keeps tabs on another intelligence agency. Like,why would they do that? Some lady had to go to the FBI in order to get the FBI intomPetraeus's email account. Yeah, a day who says Petraeus's gf was real jealous and sent nasty emails to her.

Well, of course the FBI then had reason to go into Petraeus's email accounts and, like, seize his laptops and shit. It's all due to an affair, and his jealous girlfriend. Nothing at all to do with a group of people trying to embroil the president in years of investigations to totally mess up his second term,mike Whitewater."

by Anonymousreply 19511/11/2012

[quote]why did disgruntled whistleblower FBI agent report to Cantor 2 weeks ago on affair.

I wonder if this is what Drudge and Trump were actually hinting around about as their big October Surprise?

by Anonymousreply 19611/11/2012

It's possible the plan has come from the other side.

That Petraeus WANTS his emails and other senstive info regarding Libya made public because there s information in his communications files that can damage the administration and this was a good way to do so.

He's already having an affair, so why not cook up a side story? He, his military mistress and a third party decide (or are told by someone who is helping orchestrate the whole Benghazi-as-Whitewater term-destroying investigation) to exchange emails that are "mildly threatening" so that the second woman can go to the FBI, thereby opening the door to confiscating Petraeus' communications and making them public.

Yeah, it destroys his career as CIA chief and he won't run for president, but he will become an Ollie North-type highl- paid right wing hero if he has information on his computer that can damage the administration.

by Anonymousreply 19711/11/2012

Did anyone post this already? It contains footage of Broadwell and her husband Scott on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. They all do pushups together.

Love the part where Stewart says, "I guess integrity runs in the family."

by Anonymousreply 19811/11/2012

does the husband ping?

by Anonymousreply 19911/11/2012

He agreed to take a technical demotion to run the war in Afghanistan. He was owed "something" for that. That "something" was the CIA job upon retirement and a possible future in national competitive politics or as Defense Secretary. Now he's messed that up. I suppose he's no longer owed anything.

by Anonymousreply 20011/11/2012

Well, the husband's name is Scott, which has been discovered to be the most common gay male name.

by Anonymousreply 20111/11/2012

I thought the most common gay male name was Fernie, or was that only in the 70s?

by Anonymousreply 20211/11/2012

Go back to R179's link and read very carefully how this thing evolved. Another Congressman went to Cantor, who then had his chief of staff meet with the FBI on Oct. 31st.

We know the FBI was already investigating e-mails from the woman close to Petraeus for a couple of months, and knew about the affair.

But when two members of Congress, plus Congressional staff are suddenly interested, and knowledgeable due to some alleged "whistleblower," things have to be handled quickly.

Clapper was doing damage control, trying to keep a lid on this until after the election, and getting Petraeus to resign. The only reason they announced this and Petraeus resigned, is because they were being blackmailed by Cantor & co.

As one reporter observed:"These things don't usually go public unless they're about to go public." At the time they were implying the media had the story and the resignation was preemptive. But it was Cantor who was going to blow it up.

If you don't think this has something to do with the House's investigation into Benghazi, you are dumb. The GOP thugs in Congress, led by Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, and the Extreme Right are out to discredit anyone in the way of their "investigations."

They're throwing their weight around, signalling the Admininstration that they have sources and are willing to play hardball, lie, distort, and destroy if necessary. They want to cripple Obama and this is just the tip of the iceberg. Boehner can't control these guys.

Did the Obama admininstration engage in a cover up? No. Were there intel failings? Obviously. Was Benghazi emblematic of some deep seated failing and negligence? No.

Facts don't matter to these people. They're playing vicious, destructive games and they don't give a fuck. Petraeus was stupid to get involved with what now appears to be a slightly unhinged over-achiever.

This matter could have been handled quietly, since there was no breach of security. Had it not been for the thuggery of the GOP and it's supporters. Now that Petraeus has been tarnished, any testimony from his CIA operatives will be discredited.

by Anonymousreply 20311/11/2012

thank you r203.

by Anonymousreply 20411/11/2012

Petraeus's mistress was a young(ish) West Point/Harvard grad, PhD candidate, and triathlete. It shouldn't be a shock that he would cheat on his fat frumpy wife with a far more appealing acolyte.

Besides, the only reason he married that troll he calls a wife is because he's an arriviste piece of trash who wanted to advance his career by landing the daughter of a 4 star general.

by Anonymousreply 20511/11/2012

Petraeus had a younger paramour lined up.

[quote]WASHINGTON — A senior U.S. military official says the author who had an affair with David Petraeus sent harassing emails to a woman who was the State Department’s liaison to the military’s Joint Special Operations Command.

[quote]The official says 37-year-old Jill Kelley in Tampa, Fla., received the emails from Petraeus biographer Paula Broadwell that triggered an FBI investigation.

[quote]Another person who knows Kelley and Petraeus confirmed their friendship and said she saw him often.

by Anonymousreply 20711/11/2012

As R203 explains "If you don't think this has something to do with the House's investigation into Benghazi, you are dumb. The GOP thugs in Congress, led by Eric Cantor, Paul Ryan, and the Extreme Right are out to discredit anyone in the way of their "investigations."

This is for anyone who hasn't caught the talking points which circulated Sunday to try and turn this back on the Republicans. It should work. There will be no Desert 2.

by Anonymousreply 20811/11/2012

What a dirtbag. The more that's revealed about Petraeus, the more despicable he seems. This story has become a blessing in disguise because it means he's been knocked off a pedestal he never deserved to be on in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 20911/11/2012

"Petraeus's mistress was a young(ish) West Point/Harvard grad, PhD candidate, and triathlete. It shouldn't be a shock that he would cheat on his fat frumpy wife with a far more appealing acolyte."

Typical datalounge - blame the wife.

Men cheat because they can.

by Anonymousreply 21011/11/2012

Petraeus was also fucking a woman in the State Department named Jill Kelley.

by Anonymousreply 21111/11/2012

He's an ugly fucker. If he was a cesspool pumper he wouldn't have been getting all that pussy.

by Anonymousreply 21211/11/2012

A man has only one escape from his old self - to see a different self in the mirror of some woman's eyes.

by Anonymousreply 21311/11/2012

R213 that's a great line!Is it original or are you qoting?

by Anonymousreply 21411/11/2012

From R211's link.

"Jill Kelley is not to be confused with pornographic actress and AVN hall of famer, Jill Kelly."

by Anonymousreply 21511/11/2012

There's no telling how many affairs he had while still in the military.

And Republicans were worried about gays in the military??? Please.

by Anonymousreply 21611/11/2012

Turn in your gay card, r214.

by Anonymousreply 21711/11/2012

Take a cool shower and a Xanax R218.

by Anonymousreply 21911/11/2012

r218, please go directly to the nearest mirror for a glimpse of an "over-excitable fool."

What is YOUR damage??

by Anonymousreply 22011/11/2012

Fuck yourself, anti-Semitic hate troll at [206]. I'm sick of that crap.

by Anonymousreply 22111/11/2012

Proof? Time was this was a gossip site.

by Anonymousreply 22311/11/2012

'twas 'twasn't tit?

by Anonymousreply 22411/11/2012

also r222, after you've checked yourself in the mirror, look at the top right border of this site and reread the words there.

by Anonymousreply 22611/11/2012

R218/222 is one of those Dataloungers who shows up on Sunday and posts how s/he can't stand the thought of going to work on Monday because s/he hates all the people s/he works with. S/he never thinks its her/him. It's always everybody else. Everyone else is crazy and asinine and foolish.

by Anonymousreply 22711/11/2012

r211, interesting comment at your link re: Kelley's twin sister. Apparently she's a lawyer specializing in whistle-blowers.

by Anonymousreply 22811/11/2012

See? See? The Obama electorate has defeated marriage!

If it hadn't been for you meddling gays David would have been sticking it to Holly every night!

by Anonymousreply 23011/11/2012

I don't agree with the theory that this is Patreus way of taking down Obama. It does far more damage to himself by reputation and career than Obama who is already re-elected.

Because security was not found to be breached he could have easily continued with his job without public knowing. As R203 suggested perhaps it was Cantor knowing (more likely to make a big deal about it) and not other Rs on intelligence committee who may be more sympathetic to him.

by Anonymousreply 23111/11/2012

r229, considering we're on DL, and the info at the link, I don't think that's a wild, freeper conclusion.

by Anonymousreply 23211/11/2012

Nice that R211 makes an arrogant, ignorant, exaggerative announcement that Petraeus was 'fucking Jill Kelley'....

but ABC News just stated tonight that Petraeus and Jill Kelley were not romantically involved and that Jill Kelley is a family friend and longtime supporter of the military.

by Anonymousreply 23311/11/2012

I agree with R208. It's not credible that after everything Petraeus has done in his lifetime, what he will be remembered for is having an extramarital affair with a loon.

by Anonymousreply 23411/11/2012

I screwed that up when I edited.

What I meant to say is that it's not credible that after all Petraeus has done in his lifetime, he genuinely wants to be remembered for having an extramarital affair with a loon.

He is a very ambitious man who worked hard at making a name for himself. I'm sure he didn't want that name to be dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 23711/11/2012

"Nice that R211 makes an arrogant, ignorant, exaggerative announcement that Petraeus was 'fucking Jill Kelley'...."

Why are people bending over backwards to defend this guy? He's a right-winger and a homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 23811/11/2012

He won't be remembered solely for this, but it will be an asterisk by his name. It will likely be more problematic for him as I think it will eat at him and he may view himself as a failure for this.

His biographer/lover put her finger on it when she said he was driven by his own General father who had great expectations, but was sparing with approval. Whether or not it would have been considered a moral failing by the elder isn't at issue; it's the fact that he exercised such poor judgment in such a sensitive position.

If reports are to be believed there were no security breaches, but he made himself and his position vulnerable. I'm sure he wasn't blackmailable, but the unhinged former military intel lover might have spewed all sorts of BS about him to some enemy or provided some intelligence of her own and say she got it from him. All as retribution.

by Anonymousreply 23911/11/2012

Now there's this.

by Anonymousreply 24011/11/2012

R239, what the heck are you talking about? General Petraeus's father was a Dutch immigrant who worked for a utility company, not a general!

by Anonymousreply 24111/11/2012

Shit. I must have gotten the profession wrong. But he was a task master father who withheld approval. She mentioned it in one of her promotional interviews for the book.

by Anonymousreply 24211/11/2012

[quote] he may view himself as a failure for this

You should have been in NYC before 9/11, with Giuliani strutting around with his mistress and trying to get a judge to rule he could bring her into the house where his wife and kidsived and fuck her there.

Then, Giuliani was widely despised and derided S an arrogant and pathetic fool.

After 9/11, America couldn't get enough of him. He was showered with millions of dollars in consulting fees, speaking fees, fees for appearing on television.

If Petraeus can portray himself as a defender of truth while others were trying to take him down, he can be a hero to the same people who thought Giuliani was America's mayor. And he can make a fortune.

by Anonymousreply 24311/11/2012

Petraeus as "defender of truth" - what truth, R243, are you referring to?

by Anonymousreply 24411/11/2012

[quote]After 9/11, America couldn't get enough of [Giuliani]. He was showered with millions of dollars in consulting fees, speaking fees, fees for appearing on television.

That's a NYC-centric perception; he was never seen positively by the U.S. at large. I've never talked to anyone who thought he was anything but vulgar and mean. NYC cherishes its vulgarians like Giuliana and Trump while the rest of us scratch our heads in wonder.

Why it won't work for Petraeus is that he won't have a tragedy to provide him with the opportunity to grandstand that Giuliana was given. His time in power is over and his legacy has already been established.

As for Petraeus not being chiefly remembered for this, there's a vast difference between political scientists and the public at large. Trust that the general population sees Tiger Woods and Petraeus in the same light.

by Anonymousreply 24511/11/2012

Here's a picture of Jill Kelly, her husband and the Petraeuses. If she's his new paramour, this is the second one that he's hidden in plain sight.

by Anonymousreply 24611/11/2012

R246, ABC could be wrong, but on ABC News tonight, they reported that Jill Kelley and Petraeus were not romatically involved and that Jill Kelley is a family friend and longtime supporter of the military.

Paula Broadwell was just worried that Jill Kelley might get close to Petraeus.

by Anonymousreply 24711/11/2012

[quote] he was never seen positively by the U.S. at large.

Yeah, right. That's why he made millions in speaking fees all over the country and was asked to open a law firm in TX. All that New Yorkcentricness.

by Anonymousreply 24811/11/2012

such drama! it's obviously more clear now why he resigned. a jealous mistress is ticking time bomb!

by Anonymousreply 24911/11/2012

Was any reason given for their breakup four months ago?

I've read that Broadwell was in intelligence and Black Ops. I always wonder about the stability of people who become part of B.O.. I'm sure some of them are capable of very nasty stuff. Isn't it practically a prerequisite? I can see how Jill Kelly would be worried, especially if she has a family.

by Anonymousreply 25011/11/2012

[quote] Why it won't work for Petraeus is that he won't have a tragedy to provide him with the opportunity to grandstand that Giuliana was given

He'll be given a part in a "scandal" orchestrated by the rightwing ----Benghazi --- in which he can paint himself as the heroic truth teller, while the mean Obama administration didn't do the right thing in Libya and then threw him (Petraeus) under the bus. Ollie North should have been disgraced by Iran Contra, but he became a rightiwing a rightiwing hero.

Nobody is saying Petraeus is going to get a 9/11-like tragedy. He's got a role to play in an upcoming Fox special.

by Anonymousreply 25111/11/2012

[quote]Yeah, right. That's why he made millions in speaking fees all over the country and was asked to open a law firm in TX. All that New Yorkcentricness.

Who would have asked him to open a law firm in TX and why do we think it wouldn't have folded quickly? Is there a group whose purpose is to invite buffoons to come to TX so they can make fun of them?

I've never heard of him speaking anywhere. Were these white male Republican groups who thought they would cash in on his tiny moment of fame?

by Anonymousreply 25211/11/2012

I could see Fox trying to start shit against BO by using Petraeus. Fox is probably going to create a lot of noise to try to stay relevant.

I seriously doubt Petraeus has enough credibility for any but the most avid Fox fans to get on board. Hopefully he would be too ethical to do this but we'll see.

by Anonymousreply 25311/11/2012

This makes me think she wanted to get caught and have every blow up in the general's face. She was dumb/unhinged enough to have classified docs on her own computer?

[quote]Ms. Kelley didn't know who sent the emails. Some appeared to be accusing her of an inappropriate relationship but didn't name Mr. Petraeus. Agents determined the emails were sent from an account shared by Ms. Broadwell and her husband, who live in North Carolina, the officials said.

[quote]Top officials signed off on the interviews, which occurred in late September and October, just before the U.S. presidential election. During Ms. Broadwell's first interview in September, she admitted to the affair and turned over her computer, the officials said.

[quote]On her computer, investigators found classified documents, the U.S. officials said, a discovery that raised new concerns.

[quote]At Mr. Petraeus's interview in the week before the election, he also admitted the affair and said he hadn't provided the classified documents to Ms. Broadwell. Agents conducted a second interview with Ms. Broadwell on Nov. 2. She also said Mr. Petraeus wasn't the source of the documents.

by Anonymousreply 25411/11/2012

Guiliani has a security consulting business and is hired both domestically and internationally.

by Anonymousreply 25511/11/2012

Gentlemen, this is why you hire prostitutes.

by Anonymousreply 25611/11/2012

How is faux noise spinning this? Is the prez hiding this until after the election? I really don't want to pput up with more stupid shit from them.

by Anonymousreply 25711/11/2012

Why did she have classified documents? Explain it to me. I am lost.

by Anonymousreply 25811/11/2012

[quote]Jill Kelley and Petraeus were not romatically involved and that Jill Kelley is a family friend and longtime supporter of the military. Paula Broadwell was just worried that Jill Kelley might get close to Petraeus.

I'm starting to agree with the posts up thread that question Paula's sanity and how her relationship with such a powerful man went to her head.

by Anonymousreply 25911/11/2012

R258, no one is sure at this point that Paula Broadwell had any classified documents.

Supposedly there was some concern by the FBI that she might have tried to access Petraeus' CIA email.

All that is being said at this point is that the FBI started an investigation into Paula Broadwell a couple of months ago because Paula sent some emails to Jill Kelley, a family friend of Mr and Mrs Petraeus, to stay away from Petraeus, as Paula was apparently jealous.

by Anonymousreply 26011/11/2012

I see the WSJ is now reporting that Paula B. had some classified documents on her computer.

by Anonymousreply 26111/11/2012

In this case, "classified documents" probably refers to photos of General Petraeus butt naked, stroking his dick.

by Anonymousreply 26211/11/2012

So how can this screw up Obama? Is there something here that could put him in danger of impeachment?

by Anonymousreply 26311/11/2012

R260 - see linked WSJ story. The docs were on her personal computer.

by Anonymousreply 26411/11/2012

Why did she have them?

by Anonymousreply 26511/11/2012

R263, please stop being a Chicken Little.

Nothing about this situation has anything to do with Obama. It all reflects poorly on Petraeus and anyone trying to bring Obama's name into this is nothing but a freeper in sheep's clothing.

I find it so fucking funny that Republicans kept floating Petraeus's name as a potential challenger to Obama (during this last presidential campaign), and now they're trying to pretend his moral failings are Obama's fault. Ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 26611/11/2012

Sorry, R266. This is all making me nervous. I'll stop. Probably.

by Anonymousreply 26711/11/2012

This bitch should be thrown in Bagram, if for no other reason than her little bunny-boiling hissy fit keeps Benghazi alive for the Repubs.

This is the latest they have seized on..

[quote]Paula Broadwell, the biographer revealed as the woman having a secret affair with the now-former CIA director, gave a talk at the University of Denver on Oct. 26 in which she appeared to reveal sensitive, maybe even classified, information about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.

[quote]The most interesting revelation is her claim that the CIA was holding several Libyan militia members prisoner, which may have prompted the attack. (Though she also sought to explain the Obama administration's initial view that the attack was linked to the YouTube video Innocence of Muslims, an anti-Islam polemic that sparked riots across the Muslim world.)

by Anonymousreply 26811/12/2012

Paula Broadwell is not keeping the Benghazi story alive.

There are congressional hearings on the Benghazi incident scheduled for this coming week, and those hearings are enough to keep the story alive for awhile.

One or two of the congressional committee members also said this weekend that they intend to subpoena Petraeus to testify.

And your "little bunny-boiling hissy fit" reference is asinine and demeans whatever smathering of intelligence you happen to possess.

by Anonymousreply 26911/12/2012

r218/r222/r225/r269 You need to get a fucking grip.

by Anonymousreply 27011/12/2012

What is wrong with this woman? Having a discreet affair wasn't enough. She has to brag about it and flaunt it with these little dropped tidbits to prove she is in the know?

I understand how people of similar backgrounds and sensibilities can bond when working closely together. It happens and often they are more simpatico than they are wth their respective spouses. But her other actions like scaring off some woman and being indiscreet about classified info is beyond the pale.

by Anonymousreply 27211/12/2012

always blame the women, right r272? Never mind that Patraeus had 2 mistresses and allowed one of them to have access to sensitive files.

What a douchebag.

by Anonymousreply 27311/12/2012

Because, frau at r273, nobody gives a damn that he was fucking either one of them. The problem is that Ms. Fatal Attraction had to twist off and threaten another woman. Nobody would be the wiser about any of this if she would've held her shit together. That's not Petraeus' fault; it's HERS.

by Anonymousreply 27411/12/2012

Of course it's not Petraeus's fault. It's never the (twice) adulterer's fault. It's always those damn cunning women.

Women (who blame other women for their husband's affair) and men both agree: men just being men; women who have affairs with men just being men, are just sluts.

Happy, r274?

by Anonymousreply 27511/12/2012

[quote]Never mind that Patraeus had 2 mistresses and allowed one of them to have access to sensitive files.

If you'd been reading this thread, you'd know that those files were determined to not have come from Petraeus. She denied the files originated from Petraeus and investigators verified.

She worked in military intelligence so she has numerous contacts, no doubt. We don't know what the investigation revealed about their origins. One of the many pieces of information still not being reported.

Her risk taking is astonishing. She did seem like such a "safe" person to engage in an extramarital affair as she had much to lose, as well.

by Anonymousreply 27611/12/2012

No because you have yet to go back to fucking iVillage, r275.

by Anonymousreply 27711/12/2012

R275, you are not keeping up nor have you read this thread.

The 2nd woman is a family friend and longtime military supporter, according to ABC News tonight, not a 2nd mistress.

by Anonymousreply 27811/12/2012

[quote]The FBI was investigating harassing emails sent by Petraeus biographer and girlfriend Paula Broadwell to a second woman. That probe of Broadwell's emails revealed the affair between Broadwell and Petraeus.

[quote]Rep. Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, said the circumstances of the FBI probe smacked of a cover-up by the White House. "It seems this (the investigation) has been going on for several months and, yet, now it appears that they're saying that the FBI didn't realize until Election Day that General Petraeus was involved. It just doesn't add up," said King, R-N.Y.

by Anonymousreply 27911/12/2012

Republican Rep Peter King is ALWAYS trying to stir up trouble for Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 28011/12/2012

Meh. Benghazi will go the way of Fast and Fur...zzzzz.

Nobody gives a shit about this. Let that little prick Issa have his hearings. Let the conspiracy theorists rant on, it just won't matter. We voted on Benghazi last week and we are decisively not interested.

The issues confronting serious people are getting a good deal on the Bush tax cuts, immigration, infrastructure spending and Ruth Bader Ginsburg's retirement plans.

by Anonymousreply 28111/12/2012

I wish there was a way to get Issa out of Congress.He has such an arrogant, unpleasant personality, how does he keep getting re-elected. Imagine how nice Congress would be if Issa, Cantor, King, and Ryan were gone along with Bachmann. Heaven.

by Anonymousreply 28211/12/2012

Morning Joe is about to have Peter King on....

by Anonymousreply 28311/12/2012

Now the message is : Why did the FBI not tell anyone they were investigating Petraeus until election day? Why wasn't Congress notified before he resigned?

by Anonymousreply 28411/12/2012

why SHOULD congress have been notified...?

by Anonymousreply 28511/12/2012

A Gallery of Gayface

by Anonymousreply 28611/12/2012

"The top Senate Democrat on intelligence issues said Sunday she would investigate the FBI's handling of the inquiry, and why the matter wasn't shared earlier with Congress.

"It was like a lightning bolt," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D., Calif.) on "Fox News Sunday." "This is something that could have had an effect on national security. I think we should have been told."

That Mr. Petraeus was having an affair wasn't the point of the FBI probe, according to the U.S. officials briefed on the matter."

by Anonymousreply 28711/12/2012

curiouser and curiouser:

From The Atlantic's Adam Clark Estes: The FBI knew for months that now-former CIA director David Petraeus was having an affair with his biographer Paula Broadwell, but kept most lawmakers in the dark.

One notable exception: Virginia congressman Eric Cantor.

by Anonymousreply 28811/12/2012

Radiologist is one of the most plum jobs ever. You don't even need to go to a hospital. You have equipment set up in your house and the hospital/imaging facility can send images through your router. You don't ever have to deal with patients. If you own an imaging facility, you get an outsourced staff from a billing company and hire two technicians. It's a job where you literally can sit in your mom's basement eating Cheetos, so long as mom lets you have a few specialty monitors set up.

by Anonymousreply 28911/12/2012

...and...?

by Anonymousreply 29011/12/2012

Oh, and needless to say, you rake in the super bucks.

by Anonymousreply 29111/12/2012

So, to recap, if I'm understanding this.

A social director at a base, Jill Kelley, a very sexy woman, is getting anonymous harassing emails and calls the FBI.

They are traced to Petraeus's biographer, the stunning Paula Broadwell.

In further investigating Broadwell's emails it is discovered she's having an affair with Petraeus.

Petraeus realizing that this is going to go public and is a lot more tawdry than a simple affair - in fact it's the stuff of tabloid fervor - sensibly resigns.

The media extrapolates from this all manner of things, including that this was somehow hidden from us until after the election - who cares? - and that this has any impact on Petraeus's testimony before Congress on Benghazi. Obviously, it does not. As Congress can compel anyone to testify before it. Anyone. Private citizen. CIA Director. Ex CIA director. Makes no difference.

The country is going to go crazy with this bullshit to the detriment of focusing on real issues like the fiscal cliff.

Right so far?

by Anonymousreply 29211/12/2012

Broadwell's far too masculine to be a proper Ladyboy.

by Anonymousreply 29311/12/2012

Petraeus' penis!

by Anonymousreply 29411/12/2012

I was really hoping Peter King would not be re-elected, but the GOP gerrymandered his district so that he couldn't lose.

by Anonymousreply 29511/12/2012

I am somewhat mystified by all this. He was having an affair- caught because another woman reported the mistress due to some harassing emails. No security matters breached, not secretes revealed, no national security threatened, no blackmail. Now I understand Hoover made a cottage industry out of blackmail.

Oh and Congress was not informed of the "investigation". Half of Congress is having or has had affairs, at least. Half of all military brass have had or are having affairs.

Also: people fuck- and Lord knows people fuck up due to their indiscrete fucking.

And so?

The press is going crazy and I am already bored by all this. Another stupid man getting caught doing something the American public thinks is more awful than lying about the reason you are taking a country to war.

An affair! A fucking affair. No blackmail, no security breaches and Congress wants another investigation etc etc.

Silly.

by Anonymousreply 29611/12/2012

It seems like Cantor wanted to get at Petraeus. He's a nasty little bitch.

Cantor needs to be 'investigated'. The GOP is playing dirty - again.

by Anonymousreply 29711/12/2012

If the press is harping on this it's because someone is telling the press to harp on this. Watch Fox for the cues on where they're going to try and take this.

I wish the Dems would play dirty for once. You can't tell me there' snot a single high-level Republican out there with worst dirt than this. They need to trade in their dirt and change the media focus.

by Anonymousreply 29811/12/2012

charlie, you're a somewhat intelligent person, so wrap your mind around THIS:

Paula Broadwell had classified documents on her unclassified, personal computer. I work for the federal government and whenever classified documents are introduced to a non-classified domain, an investigation is triggered. That's STANDARD operating procedure.

Also, since Paula Broadwell is a military Reservist, she'll eventually be charged with mishandling classified information and adultery, in accordance with the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. If there's proof that her relationship with Petraeus began BEFORE he retired, he could be have his military career officially tainted with charges of fraternization, adultery, dereliction of duty and so much more.

Again, charlie, you seem like a smart guy...so I wonder why your brain can't process the fact that there was clearly a security breach...and possibly blackmail (which is why the other woman went to the FBI in the first place). I know you consider it your duty to protect the rich and powerful, but in this case you're trying to make a molehill out of a mountain.

by Anonymousreply 29911/12/2012

R299- because the "security breach" has been stopped you numbskull. She has been discovered, the FBI did its job, Pet. resigns. He gave too much access to his "biographer". He is another among the thousands of men who blow it with a mistress.

Now if there is more to it- did she tip off the Chinese or Russians or Iranians about something... I have yet to hear. As is, she is just another silly woman who had an affair with another even sillier powerful man. And in this country, that is worse than murder, and baring false testimony to take a country to war.

...and leads to all manner of hysterics (some of it quite funny) on DL.

by Anonymousreply 30011/12/2012

Charlie, I rescind my earlier faint praise. You really are fucking daft.

by Anonymousreply 30111/12/2012

Please then inform me what I am missing. Shouldl I froth at the possiblities of national security breach and conspiracy like J Edgar Hoover? Yes he resigned. Yes he had an affair with someone who may have known too much. But the FBI knows who she is and what she's got (nothing probably.) Or perhaps something, but clearly the world has not blown up (just the press and DL).

FYI, George HW Bush was having an affair while he was head of the CIA and later VP. He did not resign. I wonder why?

My answer is that because he was discrete, his mistress was discrete and the press kept private affair private up until Bill Clinton.

And do I need to talk about JFK?

So what's new here? It is now fair game in the press to tell all about someones private life, which in the US creates such a storm that it overwhelms someone's ability to do their job.

by Anonymousreply 30211/12/2012

[quote] If the press is harping on this it's because someone is telling the press to harp on this.

Exactly.

People are so dumb that they don't know the press is thoroughly told what to do by the MIC (military industrial complex). That joke of a Republican primary campaign for 2012 -- did anybody really think Mitt Romney wasn't going to be the candidate? He was picked to be the GOP candidate in 2008 after McCain lost. All of the other craziness -- Gingrich, Herman Caine, Rick Santorum -- was all theater.

by Anonymousreply 30311/12/2012

Charlie, they may have been discrete, but I think you actually meant they were discreet. ;)

Broadwell is anything but discreet...just watch her on the daily show. She stopped short of mentioning the fucking under the desk, thankfully!

by Anonymousreply 30411/12/2012

From all that I've read, there was absolutely no breach of national security. None. The CIA is now on record as saying that infidelity is a job hazard and happens to agents often. It's not a big deal unless it's a foreigner or there's a security breach.

So this thing never needed to come to light if it weren't for the alleged "whistleblower" who ran to Eric Cantor and his staff and made a big deal of it. The whistleblower was an FBI agent who was removed from the investigation because he knew and was close to parties being investigated, according to news reports.

This tells me there is definitely a network of Extreme Right supporters inside gov't, who are willing to feed classified information to outsiders to manipulate the process.

The FBI received a complaint from someone who obviously had connections at the military base where she was a volunteer. The e-mails had to have been pretty disturbing to justify the complaint. They look into it.

They trace it to Broadwell. As they're "investigating" her e-mail correspondence, they find Petraeus' e-mails. When they verify that it is, indeed, the CIA director and this military reservist/author, they kick it up the chain of command and interview the subjects.

They're now interested in making sure nothing was breached. Once that's been verified, Petraeus' boss, Clapper has to talk to him. It is Clapper's recommendation he resign. He agrees. Here's where it gets dicey, IMO.

How can Clapper make the recommendation to Petraeus before he ever informs the President? Yet he did. Was it because by then Clapper knew thru Mueller, the FBI director, that Cantor and at least one other Congressman, and Cantor's staff members already knew and it would all get very messy any minute? I think yes.

by Anonymousreply 30511/12/2012

Jesus, is someone really stupid enough to think this is about sex?

by Anonymousreply 30611/12/2012

discreet, not discete- OK, spelling is not my forte.

Now I am waiting for R301 to tell me why this is such an important news item as to dominate the American press- other than the fact that it is another story that will be on the cover of the NY Post for the next week even if China attacks Russia and Isreal bombs Iran. (By the way, I am exagerating to make a point.)

by Anonymousreply 30711/12/2012

That's all we're interested in, r306.

Not about national security, back room politics or cover ups. Just sex.

by Anonymousreply 30811/12/2012

The fact that the gf is sending emails that prompt an FBI investigation means she has the capacity to be cray cray. A cray cray mistress of the CIA director? Poor judgment on CIA diector's choice of fuckbuddies. Let's cast this as a 1990 movie.

Sean Young as Paula Broadwell

Harrison Ford as CIA director

Bill Paxton as Paula's husband

James Wood as creepy FBI agent

Gene Hackman as FBI chief

Sally Field as wife of CIA chief

Morgan Freeman as president

by Anonymousreply 30911/12/2012

I still believe that the affair was just an excuse like when a celebrity goes to rehab for 'exhaustion' or a polititian resigns, because 'he wants to spend more time with his family'.

Sharing secret info with someone or something like FOX News is still on the top of my list for the real reason of his hasty retirement.

by Anonymousreply 31011/12/2012

YOU HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD, IDIOT. There are classified docs on her personal computer that she did not have clearance to possess, and she has publicly disclosed info about Benghazi that had not been previously reported.

How many times do you need to be told?

by Anonymousreply 31111/12/2012

"University of Denver on Oct. 26 in which she appeared to reveal sensitive, maybe even classified, information about the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi."

The operative word in the article quoted above is "appeared", not that she did disclose.

I saw a tape of that on CBS this AM and did not come away with the above conclusion at all.

R311, I kind of look for my new information from the NY Times and News Hour- not FOX, or even MSNBC.

Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi... it has to be about Benghazi... everything is about Benghazi you know.

by Anonymousreply 31211/12/2012

[quote]The operative word in the article quoted above is "appeared", not that she did disclose.

Yeah, like FOX News would cooperate and confirm that they got inside information from her (either from him through her or from him directly).

by Anonymousreply 31311/12/2012

When will we learn?

We trust our money to a guy named MADOFF... We trust our country to a guy named BETRAY-US

Tsk

by Anonymousreply 31411/12/2012

This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

by Anonymousreply 31511/12/2012

R310,

Hvae you ever seen how many hours a week a celebrity has to work? Exhaustion can and does happen.

The affair violates the UCMJ, and made him vulnerable to blackmail. His resignation was both honorable and correct.

Now whether or not OTHERS have been honorable in all this is where I lose faith.

by Anonymousreply 31611/12/2012

R309,

Brianna Brown (ex-Lisa Niles, GH) is required by law to get all the psycho-chick roles, it seems.

For the others?

That new woman = Megan Fox

Obama = Duane Johnson

Betrayus = James Woods

by Anonymousreply 31711/12/2012

The classified info found on her computer was confirmed to not be from Patreaus ... she got it through another source of hers and that is a separate issue

It was worthy of a thorough investigation ... FBI was correct on not leaking anything or telling Congress until their facts were straight. Once determined no laws were broken and security breached he should have been allowed to continue his job.

But the FBI agent who was friends with Kelley and reported it on her behalf was out of the know due to his direct connection with Kelley ... he assumed it wasnt being persued and leaked to Cantor assuring it wld go public

by Anonymousreply 31811/12/2012

No, Duane Johnson is all wrong to play Obama.

I say Lawrence Fishburn.

by Anonymousreply 31911/12/2012

There's classified and there's classified. Lots of things get classified but not all classified is about security. So it is entirely conceivable that no security was breached except getting classified info she shouldn't have had.

Kelly - the squealer - looks to be a friend of or a wannaebe friend of the general's wife and this looks to me more about that. She had some kind of "volunteer" job at the base in Tampa? What the hell is that? A military social climber who needs to keep in good with the generals' wives? She's also another "wife of" a doctor. Great work if you can get it.

As for the emails I wonder if the "threats" by Broadwell were about threats by Kelly to rat out Petraeus. I don't trust Kelly or her motives. Broadwell seems immature and impetuous despite her military training. Petraeus seems to have bad taste - in more ways than one. Someone tells you to "back off" about a guy and you go to the FBI? Really?

Kelly's sister is a lawyer (uh oh - I've seen this kind of competition before) who specializes in repping "whistleblowers." Geez this thing just writes itself. So in one fell swoop Kelly has outdone her sister, gotten eternal brownie points from every general's wife who probably have something to say about her "job."

I don't know if he should have resigned or not. I'm old enough to understand that people stay in marriages long after they are dead dead dead. I also understand how people who have a lot in common and work closely together - especially away from the family - can bond and fall in love. It happens. Patreaus seems to be a smart and decent man who is just human. I don't even know is this was just about sex. Often it is about much more and it's easy to blame it on lust. I don't think less of him because of the affair.

Oh this is rich! Here's a statement issued to the press by Kelly: "We respect his and his family's privacy and want the same for us and our three children." ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!

Sorry, sweetie, you made yourself and your family fair game.

by Anonymousreply 32011/12/2012

Told ya. Her sister's the prettier one.

Also seems that Kelly was given some sop award as "Honorary Ambassador to Central Command" for her voluntary work. A source says she often drops the "Honorary" and calls herself Ambassador.

This Kelly is just another Linda Tripp.

by Anonymousreply 32111/12/2012

R318, a sane DL poster who knows how to read.

by Anonymousreply 32211/12/2012

In that link from [321], love how the Kelley sisters tilt their heads the same way when posing.

They seem to think they're hot, and oblivious to the fact that they're both FAT!!! LMAO

by Anonymousreply 32311/12/2012

Look at this way:

When a student brings a gun to school, or a teacher is discovered having a sexual relationship with a student, the school will typically send a letter out to parents detailing the situation. Why do some of you seem to think that the FBI was 100% justified in not telling the President of the United States or Congress about a situation that could have national security implications? Just because it's likely the affair didn't compromise national security doesn't mean the FBI should've helped keep it a secret.

by Anonymousreply 32411/12/2012

So the FBI agent who started the investigation was a friend of Jill Kelly. Then he got taken off the case. Then he decides too much time is going by and the investigation has gone nowhere, so HE is the one who notified Eric Cantor.

Very, very curious indeed. Is he a friend of Cantor's?

by Anonymousreply 32511/12/2012

"Patreaus seems to be a smart and decent man who is just human."

Um, no. He's an asshole.

by Anonymousreply 32611/12/2012

I wonder if Patraeus was interested in or actually fooling around with the twin sister Natalie. Broadwell couldn't tell them apart and mistakenly went after Jill. They look like Kardashians.

by Anonymousreply 32711/12/2012

Those Kelly sisters look like all the photos of Florida women who wind up on Investigate ID 48 Hours.

by Anonymousreply 32811/12/2012

Kelley is only involved in this because Psycho Paula lost her shit and started harassing her. Why is there so much opposition to Paula taking the heat that she deserves for this? If she doesn't lose her goddamn mind, none of the rest of this happens.

by Anonymousreply 32911/12/2012

[quote]So the FBI agent who started the investigation was a friend of Jill Kelly. Then he got taken off the case. Then he decides too much time is going by and the investigation has gone nowhere, so HE is the one who notified Eric Cantor. Very, very curious indeed. Is he a friend of Cantor's?

I read the article on HuffPost and apparently this FBI agent wanted the Patraeus mess to come out before the election because he was hoping it would effect the outcome. To Cantor's credit, he did not take the bait.

This is political on the part of the FBI agent.

by Anonymousreply 33011/12/2012

r329 has it ever occurred to you that maybe not all the information has come out yet? It's obvious these two women have been going back-and-forth with each other. We haven't seen Kelley's emails to Paula yet. Until we know everything, quit yapping, ok?

by Anonymousreply 33111/12/2012

[quote] Why do some of you seem to think that the FBI was 100% justified in not telling the President of the United States or Congress about a situation that could have national security implications?

Read the NY Times article. Individuals being investigated have a right to privacy. You do not report every tip received or every initial investigation begun.

The FBI ascertained that there was no criminality and no security threat as a result of the affair and probably should never have reported it at all beyond the immediate investigation/investigators. The FBI does not reveal everything it learns in an investigation. The President and Congress do not have some blanket right to information just because it is part of an investigation.

The FBI friend of Kelly was not a part of the investigation. He was the tipster. The FBI is not required to nor does it report back to tipsters on the results of their investigation. It was no longer his business. This FBI friend has another motive and that seems to be personal and nefarious and targeted at either Broadwell or Petraeus or both. Maybe he was having an affair with Kelly. LOL!

by Anonymousreply 33211/12/2012

No, and you are a psycho bitch too r331 like your BFF Paula. Troll-dar outs you.

by Anonymousreply 33311/12/2012

Investigation timeline:

May: Jill Kelley begins getting between five and 10 anonymous harassing emails, The Wall Street Journal reports. Kelley tells a friend, an agent at the FBI, who helped get an inquiry going, The New York Times reports. The FBI figures out the emails were sent from an account used by both Broadwells, and uses metadata footprints, the Journal says, to show that Paula Broadwell was in the same place from which the emails were sent at the time they were sent. That gives the FBI probable cause to monitor Broadwell's email accounts.

Summer: The FBI discovers Broadwell is trading sexy emails with another Gmail account. The other account belonged to Petraeus, who had used a pseudonym, the Journal reports. Investigators study "the possibility that someone had hacked into Mr. Petraeus’s account or was posing as him to send the explicit messages," the Times reports, but they eventually figure out Petraeus really sent the messages. High level Justice Department officials are notified about the affair.

September: Investigators interview Broadwell, who admits to the affair and turns over her computer. Classified documents are found on it.

Week of October 28: Investigators interview Petraeus, who admits to the affair, too, and denies giving Broadwell classified information.

At an October 26 speech, Broadwell claimed the CIA was detaining Libyan militia prisoners at the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, and that the attack may have been motivated by that. That had never been reported before. The CIA denied holding prisoners to The Daily Beast's Eli Lake. But Lake explains:

"[Broadwell] began her discussion of the attack by referencing an exclusive Fox News report that had run that day. But while dramatic details of that story were later fiercely disputed by government officials, she relayed only parts of that story—like the attempt to send backup from a special-operations force—that were finally confirmed."

Wired's Noah Shachtman and Spencer Ackerman point out that Broadwell seemed to know a lot about the U.S. response to the attacks:

Broadwell also identified a special-forces team initially requested to prepare for responding to Benghazi as “a group of Delta Force operators.” While Pentagon officials have provided enough information for reporters to figure out Delta was among those units, they have not explicitly confirmed Delta received orders to prepare for a Benghazi response.

by Anonymousreply 33411/12/2012

Jill is too fat to have turned David's head. He would've rather fucked his wife.

by Anonymousreply 33511/12/2012

R324 we are not justifying POTUS not being told at all. Some of us are suggesting they get their ducks in a row and have all facts before reporting. They don't have time to sit around getting peace by peace like its an episode of General Hospital. Also the more people its leaked to the greater chance someone of power could try and interfere and tip off a suspect.

The investigation did not start with a security breach ... it started with an angry person sending MILDLY threatening emails to another woman. And because Kelley knew an FBI agent she used that access to start at the top ... Most people would have called the police. You don't nag upper level officials with that kind of drama

I support Congress not being told at all once it was established NO security was breached. It's all politics to them and info could be used as a kind of blackmail. On the the otherhand POTUS and CIA should be made aware of complete findings.

by Anonymousreply 33611/12/2012

I'll say it again. Eric Cantor is a little bitch.

by Anonymousreply 33711/12/2012

Wow, Petraeus sure seems to have a lot of tacky skanks in his orbit...

by Anonymousreply 33811/12/2012

[quote]"[Broadwell] began her discussion of the attack by referencing an exclusive Fox News report that had run that day...

And we can stop right there. This is obvious bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 33911/12/2012

[quote]This is political on the part of the FBI agent.

You can't swing a cat at FBI Headquarters without hitting a Mormon, that's a dream government job for them.

I'll bet you the agent was a Mormon and very Pro-Romney.

Chew on this:

[quote] With the shortcomings of the FBI exposed in recent years, Dawin A. John was tapped by Director Rober Mueller to reorganize the FBI's computer files. What qualified Darwin A. John as bureau Chief Information Officer was his prior job as managing director of information and communication systems for the Mormon Church, where he'd served for 12 years.

[quote]Richard T. Bretzing, 49, head of the Los Angeles divi­sion of the FBI since 1982, retired to become the Manag­ing Director of the LDS Church’s security department, according to the LDS Church News. Bretzing retired after 27 years’ service (three years short of the 30-year government retirement plan).

by Anonymousreply 34011/12/2012

i had forgotten about the mormon angle! good one r340!!

by Anonymousreply 34111/12/2012

Mormon Mafia in FBI:

by Anonymousreply 34211/12/2012

r339 I think there is suspicion that she (or possibly someone else within that same Republican circle) was the one feeding the info to Fox.

by Anonymousreply 34311/12/2012

[quote] managing director of information and communication systems for the Mormon Church

That doesn't qualify anyone for anything. Religion fucks up everything, ugh.

by Anonymousreply 34411/12/2012

are there as many mormons in the cia, or do they mainly go fbi...?

by Anonymousreply 34511/12/2012

Here's what I don't understand: the FBI investigated 'harassing' e-mails that apparently did not involve threats of physical harm, which sounds like middle school mean girl drama. Must be nice to be wealthy and connected.

by Anonymousreply 34611/12/2012

It is, r346.

And it's working out quite well for them, isn't it?

by Anonymousreply 34711/12/2012

Thing is this turned out to be republican on republican crime. Patreus was rumored to have political ambitions and touted by some Rs for 2016. So a musguided R FBI leak thought info wkd help seal the deal for Romney ... it wouldn't have. But it did however end a career of a competent man and embarras publicly their families.

75% of the country titilated by this aren't pinning it on Obama or the administration. Won't be a Lewinsky biproxy they had hoped.

by Anonymousreply 34811/12/2012

Well it's a good thing we wern't so prissy in earlier times or we would have thrown away thousands of men who make huge contributions this country.

Ahem, Eisenhower on the eve of D-Day. Yea that would have been a smart move. Or maybe Admiral Ridgeway.

Petraeus was not just competent he was one of the best, if not the best, general we have seen in a long time. As a military brat I understand the sacrifices military members make and this guy did it for decades. He deserved better than this. I don't give a shit that he had an affair - once the FBI determined there was no security threat as a result of hs actions ot his affair that he had done nothing illegal that should have been it for his part.

We cannot afford to throw away good people for these reasons.

by Anonymousreply 34911/12/2012

R349, have you read the article linked at R240? If so, are you just dismissing those accusations out of hand?

by Anonymousreply 35011/12/2012

Love Jill Kelley's carefully choreographed walk from her home to her car in her just-sexy-enough-but-not-slutty yellow dress!

And her God-damn-it-I'm-gonna-milk-my-15-minutes-fame attitude! She's probably angling for a reality show!

by Anonymousreply 35111/12/2012

R346, I agree that having the FBI investigate emails that say 'stop flirting with Petraeus' and 'stay away from Petraeus' is wrong and idiotic.

It is stated in news accounts that Jill Kelley casually knew an FBI agent and mentioned the emails to him.

This FBI agent who was a casual acquaintance of Jill Kelley took it upon himself to get an Inquiry opened at the FBI!!

This is so wrong. And then when the FBI wasn't moving quickly enough, this casual acquaintance FBI agent took it upon himself to CONTACT ERIC CANTOR.

by Anonymousreply 35211/12/2012

I want to know if that agent is Mormon.

For real.

by Anonymousreply 35311/12/2012

r350, the asshole who wrote that is an elitist POS. The fact he is writing this now makes me distrust anything sliming its way out of his brain and onto a screen. Seriously.

I love all the articles that come out after one of their own inside the Beltway falls from grace.

And make no mistake, they are in same group. The press at that level do no serious reporting unless it's okayed by their political contacts.

No one wants to risk being ostracized from the Georgetown social whirl and have to do actual leather on the pavement investigative reporting.

Petraeus is a social-climbing fraud; according to this guy it was known. Well, how does that effect his command? Again, this author claims it does, especially re: the Surge.

Why didn't any of these people investigate his conduct at the time? The adultery during his military career is serious. So is hooking up with a potentially unstable mistress as DCI.

There were questions about his Bronze Star being deserved-but no one followed up? (That is taken very, very seriously in the military)

They don't bother investigating anything, yet they are perfectly willing to pile on the innuedo without even referencing specfic allegations once the guy is disgraced. Scumbag move, and I wouldn't trust anything coming from a reporter trying to make career capital out of it.

by Anonymousreply 35411/12/2012

R351, link?

by Anonymousreply 35511/12/2012

There is a detail I'd like to correct since it has been referenced at least twice. The FBI agent that Kelley asked to look into the harrasing e-mails, did not go to Eric Cantor. He went to a Congressman Reichert(R) from the state of Washington.

Reichert went to Cantor, and Cantor's chief of staff. They then went to a former U.S. Attorney to ask for guidance on what they should do with the information.

They then went to FBI Director Mueller's office with it. The FBI told them that while they could not confirm whether a matter was being investigated, they assured Cantor and his staff, that there were no national security implcations, and that if they did find a breach of national security they would inform the appropriate Intelligence committee members and the President.

So, in effect, the FBI shut Cantor down. And since Cantor only had that one source from Reichert, who he didn't know and couldn't assess their credibility, he didn't go public. Cantor was actively trying to figure out how and when to use the information, and his staff was continuing to "look into it" independent of the FBI. So don't go tossing roses at Cantor for being decent. He wasn't.

It's safe to say that Clapper would not have asked Petraeus to resign unless (1) the e-mails were way too salacious, and/or demonstrated a serious flaw in Petraeus's character beyond just having an affair, or (2) Clapper knew that Cantor was hot on his heels, and would make a huge issue of this on the eve of the hearings about Benghazi, using it to publically discredit Petraeus testimony. Instead of Petraeus going to Congress to shut down a bogus investigation, he would become an issue.

by Anonymousreply 35611/12/2012

R350, I read the article linked. The author has some real bias going in and has his own opinions about how to conduct wars.

Though he says that Petraeus will always have his respect and "twisted" admiration and doesn't deserve being dragged through the mud for this, he has no problem piling on with speculation, gossip and whispered negatives that have seemed to have been around for a while but which produced no facts to back them up.

There is nothing in the article that makes me change my mind about Petraeus and not just because the author doesn't really add any facts. It takes a lot to command an army and wage a war - it's an ugly business and it takes not just boots on the ground but the right perception by the enemy as well as your allies.

Manipulating the media? Who gives a crap. Neither the media nor the public need to know everything about a war while it is ongoing. Nor do they need to know everything about the leaders. If this were May 1944 you can rest assured some asshole reporter would be trying to uncover the date of Operation Overlord and insist on publishing it as an exclusive and D Day would never have happened.

Petraeus was not some manager at a 7/11 nor even a CEO at a civilian corportation. Nor was he an elected official. He was a top military general trying to run a war with all that involves including media perception and politicking.

I think we in this nation have lost a lot of good people who will never run for office or take upon themselves great responsibility in service to this nation because no one is perfect and no one needs to be dragged through the mud because of that.

In a mature nation he shouldn't have had to resign.

by Anonymousreply 35711/12/2012

[quote] It's safe to say that Clapper would not have asked Petraeus to resign unless . . .

Bullshit. More mindless speculation. If Clapper really wanted him to resign it was for political reasons. Most political people like Clapper are risk averse and run at the first sight of blood.

by Anonymousreply 35811/12/2012

[quote]I think we in this nation have lost a lot of good people who will never run for office or take upon themselves great responsibility in service to this nation because no one is perfect and no one needs to be dragged through the mud because of that.

ITA with this statement.

It seems that the only people who "get a pass" are the ones currently in power. If you're an outsider, you're just fodder for the mill and a way to sell advertising space.

by Anonymousreply 35911/12/2012

[quote]So, in effect, the FBI shut Cantor down. And since Cantor only had that one source from Reichert, who he didn't know and couldn't assess their credibility, he didn't go public. Cantor was actively trying to figure out how and when to use the information, and his staff was continuing to "look into it" independent of the FBI. So don't go tossing roses at Cantor for being decent. He wasn't.

Can anyone furnish a timeline on this? How dies it compare to Drudge teasing us with his "October Surprise" about sex? How about Trump and his big announcement?

by Anonymousreply 36011/12/2012

Cantor is an evil snake.

by Anonymousreply 36111/12/2012

I think the creepiest aspect is when the "entertainment" shows cover this - solely because of the sex involved.

by Anonymousreply 36211/12/2012

What the fuck is WRONG with these men that they risk everything for a few squirts with a looney mistress? And they're not even good-looking! Monica Lewinsky was (is) a fat basket case. Rielle Hunter has the face of a weasel and is totally bonkers. This Broadwell slut is reasonably attractive, but she's as crazy as the rest of them. Are their pussies really worth it? I wouldn't think so.

Entertainment Tonight is already speculating on the movie that may be in the works about this mess, "a story of secrets and betrayal."

by Anonymousreply 36311/12/2012

interesting 360, maybe cantor squashed drudge on fear it would be traced back to him? or teased him with something without details and then didnt follow through?

by Anonymousreply 36411/12/2012

I don't think it's about the affair itself, but the fact that someone who was in a position to be making critical decisions was obviously not thinking clearly.

I've seen discussions about why prospective employers run credit checks on people who won't be handling money. It seems to come down to having the good sense to manage your personal life is a reflection on how well you can do your job.

Petraeus was a screw-up in a job where we can't afford screw-ups.

by Anonymousreply 36511/12/2012

"And before you bitches start, I AM a woman."

Then you should know that men are just a crazy. Because what Petraeus did was SO rational.

by Anonymousreply 36711/12/2012

R366, you are a dope and a dimwit.

And wrong.

by Anonymousreply 36811/12/2012

Why do I only show 301 posts in this thread and people are referencing R366?

How does that work?

by Anonymousreply 36911/12/2012

We can't tell you, R369. It's classified.

by Anonymousreply 37011/12/2012

Brat.

by Anonymousreply 37111/12/2012

R369, you have to refresh or re-sign in starting a new Datalounge page for yourself. The page you are viewing has stalled.

by Anonymousreply 37211/12/2012

Thanks, but it doesn't go away when I refresh. I guess I'll log out and come back in, but that messes up the scroll list.

by Anonymousreply 37311/12/2012

What a mish-mash of Mormons, Catholics, and Jews.

There was sound reason behind restrictive covenants...

by Anonymousreply 37411/12/2012

Yes, R373, I have to log out and log back in all the time, and yes, it messes up the scroll list

by Anonymousreply 37511/12/2012

Why are governments still spending billions in sophisticated weapons when all it takes to bring down your enemy is a pair of tits?

by Anonymousreply 37611/12/2012

r360 A timeline was already linked in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 37711/12/2012

That's too simple, R376. She also has to learn to bat her eyes while she says, "Oh David, that's the biggest one I've ever seen."

by Anonymousreply 37811/12/2012

Why did that cunt Cantor get info BEFORE the President?

by Anonymousreply 37911/12/2012

R379, because the very misguided acquaintance of Jill Kelley who is a FBI agent took it upon himself to not only have the FBI open an official Inquiry on this matter, but this very misguided FBI agent acquaintance also personally phoned Cantor to tell Cantor about the investigation because he (the FBI agent) thought the invesitigation wasn't moving quickly enough.

It's a travesty of wrongdoing by this single FBI agent.

by Anonymousreply 38011/12/2012

The Cantor thing is suspicious.

by Anonymousreply 38111/12/2012

Let me add another dynamic here:

A fuckbuddy of Cantor's decided to ingratiate himself to his powerful buddy by sharing some juicy gossip.

by Anonymousreply 38211/12/2012

Troll-dar r380 to see her previous posts in this thread. She is an acquaintance herself of Jill Kelley (or at least has decided to appoint herself as one). And, like everyone else in that social circle, she is truly crazy.

by Anonymousreply 38311/12/2012

Bat shit craxy!

by Anonymousreply 38411/12/2012

FBI Agent In Petraeus Case Removed After Allegedly Sending Shirtless Photos To The 'Other Woman' Jill Kelley

The federal agent who launched the investigation that eventually led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus was taken off the case during the summer over concerns that he "might have grown obsessed with the matter," The Wall Street Journal reports.

The FBI agent began the inquiry on behalf of Jill Kelley—a friend of his who reportedly received about a half a dozen hostile emails from Petraeus' mistress Paula Broadwell.

The agent referred the matter to a cyber crimes unit but was prohibited from the any role in the investigation after the FBI found out that he sent shirtless photos of himself to Kelley, people familiar with the probe told The WSJ.

After being barred from the case, the agent contacted representative David Reichert (R-Wash.) out of concern that senior FBI officials were going to "sweep the matter under the rug," according to two officials familiar with the matter.

The WSJ also provides details about the emails sent from Broadwell to Kelley:

Ms. Broadwell allegedly used a variety of email addresses to send the harassing messages to Ms. Kelley, officials said.

One asked if Ms. Kelley's husband was aware of her actions, according to officials. In another, the anonymous writer claimed to have watched Ms. Kelley touching "him' provocatively underneath a table, the officials said.

The new developments raise questions about how the FBI handled the case, The WSJ notes.

by Anonymousreply 38511/12/2012

[quote]The agent referred the matter to a cyber crimes unit but was prohibited from the any role in the investigation after the FBI found out that he sent shirtless photos of himself to Kelley, people familiar with the probe told The WSJ.

Has everyone in D.C. lost their fucking minds?

by Anonymousreply 38611/12/2012

They lost their shirts!

by Anonymousreply 38711/12/2012

There is no sex scandal, ever, R386, which does involve hypocrisy on some level.

by Anonymousreply 38811/12/2012

Ok, fuck "Dallas" and "Dynasty" reboots. This situation is revealing something potentially better....and it spans the eastern seaboard!

Don't be surprised if USA debuts a new show next summer called "General Affairs" or "General pubLic"

Starring David Strathairn as General Damon Erasmus

Kathleen Turner as Yeardley "Lee" Erasmus

Eliza Dushku as Peyton Broder

Eva Longoria as Karina Fanieul and Selina Morrison (nee Ghuari)

by Anonymousreply 38911/12/2012

The emails of Jill Kelley should never have been refered to the FBI by this acquaintance of Jill Kelley who happened to be a FBI agent.

I'm glad it was realized that this acquaintance FBI agent is lacking in good judgment as are the FBI division which opened an offical inquiry on it.

by Anonymousreply 39011/12/2012

Oooh it gets juicier ... The FBI friend of Kelley who forced this thing to go public ... sent topless photos of himself to her. Thats why FBI removed him.from the investigation early on

by Anonymousreply 39111/12/2012

r390 give up already.

by Anonymousreply 39211/12/2012

[quote]Oooh it gets juicier ... The FBI friend of Kelley who forced this thing to go public ... sent topless photos of himself to her. Thats why FBI removed him.from the investigation early on

Jesus Christ, turn a hose on the lot of them.

I love to see Republican family values at work.

by Anonymousreply 39311/12/2012

R381 and R390 in a thread that only has 330 posts? How does that work exactly?

Wait - I need to contact the FBI and the CIA.

by Anonymousreply 39411/12/2012

Is everyone reading this thread naked?

by Anonymousreply 39511/12/2012

This thread is useless without the shirtless photos of the FBI agent.

by Anonymousreply 39611/12/2012

So isn't the Kelley woman a liaison between the State Department and the Pentagon or the CIA (or something like that)?

It really doesn't seem cray cray to me that an FBI agent, friend or not, would think it was worth looking at a series of stalker/threatening emails. These harassing emails referenced several generals in addition to Petraeus.

The investigation itself is not where the line got crossed. The guy going to the House Rep. when he got shut down at the FBI was where it got fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 39711/12/2012

R397, it was erroneous reporting at the beginning that Jill Kelley was a State Dept employee. She is not.

And they've said on multiple stations that Petraeus was not mentioned by name in the initial emails from Broadwell to Kelley. The emails were of the tone - 'stay away from my man' 'stop flirting with my man'. Where did you hear that Broadwell's emails to Kelley mentioned several generals. Not saying that is wrong, just asking.

And the FBI friend/acquaintance of Kelley's had no right to call Eric Cantor and inform him of the investigation.

by Anonymousreply 39811/12/2012

maybe there are a hundred people involved

by Anonymousreply 39911/12/2012

r397 I think Jill is just a party planner or something. Like a social secretary.

by Anonymousreply 40011/12/2012

Wasn't Patraeus diagnosed and treated for prostate cancer a few years ago? One of the side effects of treatment is usually erectile dysfunction so either Patraeus didn't have any effects or he has a bionic penis, able to satisfy the wife and the girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 40111/12/2012

[quote]I think Jill is just a party planner or something. Like a social secretary.

She's sort of an ambassador.

by Anonymousreply 40211/12/2012

Lmao! Paula B lives a few houses away from Rielle Hunter and the FBI just raided her place!

by Anonymousreply 40311/12/2012

Oh lord, are we going to see Putana Rielle out on the sidewalk watching Putana Broadwell's house being raided by the Feds?

by Anonymousreply 40411/12/2012

Oh no. Next on Greta Van Scientologist, it's the dread Liz Cheney.

TINA....

Bring me the remote!

by Anonymousreply 40511/12/2012

One more time. R398, you're right except the FBI agent didn't contact Cantor. He contacted Congressman Reichert of Washington state, and the Congressman got in touch with Cantor's chief of staff. The information was spreading, the circle widening. Then they got some former U.S. attorney involved who counseled them to notify the FBI.

BTW as far as I know this fits with an October surprise, becauseCantor knew on Oct. 27th. It's highly possible the FBI agent didn't limit his "concerns" to telling Reichert, the Congressman from Washington state. It's possible the FBI agent was shopping the information around.

This sentence, from r397 is exactly right: "The investigation itself is not where the line got crossed. The guy going to the House Rep. when he got shut down at the FBI was where it got fucked up. "

I had no idea the FBI agent sent topless photos of himself to Jill! This is like some black comedy. I swear. Someone needs to make a movie about the constant wheel-spinning and the machinations of the FBI and Congressmen who are always plotting and scemeing and trying to ingatiate themselves. Politics at it's worst.

Here is my question to you: Jill asks her FBI friend to investigateto find out who is harrasing her by e-mail. But once he initiates the investigation, he's taken off the case because he is "too close " to the complainant.

So did he know and if so, how did he know, or find out the e-mails sent to Jill came from Broadwell, and that Broadwell was having an affair with Petraeus? Since he was off the case.

Why would he go to any Congressman for any reason? It seems odd in the extreme that he would go to a Congressman (who then went directly to the evil Cantor,) just because he had a friend who was being harassed by e-mail and the FBI was sweeping it under the rug.

Sweeping what under the rug? There is a big hole in this story, IMO. If he's an agent, he had to know this did not meet the standard for a cybercrime, so at some point it had to be about political games via Drudge and his October surprise, and vendettas.

That's what is fishy to me. I bet Jill knew it was Broadwell. I bet Jill wanted to scare Broadwell never dreaming her foolishness would result in Petraeus' resignation.

Something smells here.I'd bet there was some collusion between this FBI agent who was the "whistleblower" and Drudge and the October surprise that never happened. Maybe the FBI shut down Drudge. I hope they scared the p[iss out of him.

by Anonymousreply 40611/12/2012

HAHA

by Anonymousreply 40711/12/2012

So how does Paula's gay husband Scott (gayface, gayname) fit into this all? I'm hoping that he's fucking one of Petraeus' aides or something.

by Anonymousreply 40811/12/2012

I can picture Rielle with one hand holding Quinn Edwards, and the other flicking a cigarette, shaking her head and saying to a neighbor, "I always knew she was a slut!"

by Anonymousreply 40911/12/2012

Yes, I know she's not a State employee. I don't think that was erroneously reported at all. It was made clear from the start that she had some sort of job between the two entities but was not a government employee.

I watch MSNBC, read the Washington Post, the New York Times and the Los Angeles Times. It was in/on one of those that I heard/read that Broadwell not only warned the Kelley woman away from Petraeus but also from getting close to/spending time with several other generals. Whether that was some sort of shitty attempt to disguise her real purpose, for some other reason, or was misreported - I have no idea.

Since they found Petraeus' classified schedule either in Broadwell's computer and/or in the emails she sent to Kelley, I'm not sure how Petraeus' name didn't come into it.

I agree that the FBI friend had no business going to Rep. Reichert (who then took it to Cantor). I don't agree that the FBI had no business looking into it in the first place. I think they did the right thing by investigating this initially.

by Anonymousreply 41011/12/2012

YOu know this also gives the GOP another excuse to go after Attorney General Holder. They didn't get him for Fast & Furious but they're still looking for something to smear him on. I think Obama wants him on the Court.

They damaged Petraeus so he has no credibility or authority or standing if he testifies on Beghazi. They smear Holder. I swear they will try to pick off his people one at a time, and delay any substantive action on legitimate business of the government whenever they can get away wth it. Is this what we can look forward to? Some fucking rogue FBI agent and some Keystone Cop Congressmen?

One good thing. This exposes the network. The way they operate. They have screwball sources inside government agencies leaking misinformation to members of Congress or Drudge or Limbaugh or Fox news, and then it becomes an issue, a news story.

by Anonymousreply 41111/12/2012

Interesting how all these Jerry Springer cast of characters are ALL republicans/conservatives : Patraeus, Broadwell, Kelley, shirtless FBI agent ... and once again its Obama's fault.

Fortunately the vast majority of ppl are titilated by the affairs and don't care about hearings.

by Anonymousreply 41211/12/2012

I'm wondering if this Petraeus thing is meant to take him out of the running for 2016. If so, it has succeeded. I'd take a hard look at Cantor who wants more than just John Boehner's job. There are crazier Republicans in the House but I doubt that anyone's a nastier backstabber than Eric fucking Cantor.

Of course, I'm so fucking paranoid that I also wonder if the focus on State in the Benghazi propaganda push is meant to take out Hillary in 2016. If so, we're going to have a fight about that.

Or it could have nothing to do with either of them in 2016 and it's all about going after the President for the next year.

*sigh*

The life of a political junkie is fraught with tension, uncertainty and vague feelings of doom. Thank heavens we drink.

by Anonymousreply 41311/12/2012

I don't think the wife needed or wanted fulfillment, r401!

by Anonymousreply 41411/12/2012

LOL! 413. I feel you.

by Anonymousreply 41511/12/2012

there is more to the story, i bet it will get more juicy! truth is stranger than fiction, you can't make this shit up!!

by Anonymousreply 41611/12/2012

I don't know, I'm actually starting to get the impression that there may be a lot LESS to this story than it seems.

Famous old married guy fucks younger, married, slightly Alex Forrest type. Hilarity ensues.

by Anonymousreply 41711/12/2012

[quote]UPDATE (10:46 p.m. EST): Despite being initially described as a raid, The FBI is now saying that the search of Broadwell’s home is “consensual” and part of concluding its probe into the alleged mistress, according to CNBC and NBC’s Andrea Mitchell and Pete Williams.

Yeah, right.

by Anonymousreply 41811/12/2012

R410, there have been a large number of analysts, reporters, and lawyers on MSNBC, Al Gore's CURRENT TV channel, and CNN this evening who state that the FBI should never have accepted the case of Kelley's received emails to be investigated - that there was no predicate that met the bar of what constitutes something that should be investigated.

by Anonymousreply 41911/12/2012

[quote] “consensual” and part of concluding its probe into the alleged mistress

by Anonymousreply 42011/12/2012

Someone tried to edit Paula's wiki page back in January, implying that she was having an affair with Petraeus...

by Anonymousreply 42111/13/2012

Scandal probe ensnares commander of U.S., NATO troops in Afghanistan

The FBI probe into the sex scandal that led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus has expanded to ensnare Gen. John R. Allen, the commander of U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan, the Pentagon announced early Tuesday.

According to a senior U.S. defense official, the FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” emails between Allen and Jill Kelley, a 37-year-old Tampa woman whose close friendship with Petraeus ultimately led to his downfall. Allen, a Marine, succeeded Petraeus as the top allied commander in Afghanistan in July 2011.

The FBI first notified the Pentagon of its investigation into Allen’s communications with Kelley on Sunday evening, according to the senior defense official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss details of the ongoing case.

In response, Pentagon chief Leon E. Panetta referred the investigation to the Defense Department’s Inspector General for further review, according to a statement released by Panetta early Tuesday as he was traveling to Australia.

The latest development in the unfolding scandal has shaken President Obama’s national-security staff and upended his carefully chosen plans for his military and intelligence team in his second term.

It also further calls into question the personal behavior of two of the U.S. military’s highest-ranking and most respected figures, who apparently ignored concerns about the highly sensitive nature of their jobs as they embraced personal relationships with younger women who were not their wives.

More...

by Anonymousreply 42211/13/2012

Petraeus Apparently Most Mentally Balanced Individual in His Own Scandal

please find what are likely the most awesome four paragraphs written so far in the Petraeus scandal.

Form the Times …

Ms. Kelley, a volunteer with wounded veterans and military families, brought her complaint to a rank-and-file agent she knew from a previous encounter with the F.B.I. office, the official also said. That agent, who had previously pursued a friendship with Ms. Kelley and had earlier sent her shirtless photographs of himself, was “just a conduit” for the complaint, he said. He had no training in cybercrime, was not part of the cyber squad handling the case and was never assigned to the investigation.

But the agent, who was not identified, continued to “nose around” about the case, and eventually his superiors “told him to stay the hell away from it, and he was not invited to briefings,” the official said. The Wall Street Journal first reported on Monday night that the agent had been barred from the case.

Later, the agent became convinced — incorrectly, the official said — that the case had stalled. Because of his “worldview,” as the official put it, he suspected a politically motivated cover-up to protect President Obama. The agent alerted Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, who called the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, on Oct. 31 to tell him of the agent’s concerns.

The official said the agent’s self-described “whistle-blowing” was “a little embarrassing” but had no effect on the investigation.

So basically this entire scandal both at the outset and in the denouement was driven by Freakshow FBI Agent X who both wanted to bed the victim of the alleged harassment and also decided that the FBI was covering up it’s investigation of the Tampa socialite to protect President Obama. And this because of his “worldview”. Please let us meet this awesome example of American law enforcement.

by Anonymousreply 42311/13/2012

r422, I'm glad that Gen Allen was already outgoing commander.

That shit is much, much more serious for someone currently in the military, especially the Marines.

It also explains why Broadwell was after this woman.

by Anonymousreply 42411/13/2012

R406 and R410,

from the New York Times

Later, the agent became convinced — incorrectly, the official said — that the case had stalled. Because of his “worldview,” as the official put it, he suspected a politically motivated cover-up to protect President Obama. The agent alerted Eric Cantor, the House majority leader, who called the F.B.I. director, Robert S. Mueller III, on Oct. 31 to tell him of the agent’s concerns.

R406 and R410, the rogue FBI acquaintance friend of Jill Kelley contacted ERIC CANTOR

by Anonymousreply 42511/13/2012

That FBI agent is out of a job already. It's only a matter of pretending he's resigning.

On his own volition he politicized this situation for the right wing.

by Anonymousreply 42611/13/2012

Girls, girls you're both pretty.

The agent could have alerted Cantor through his staffer, r425.

It really doesn't matter anyway. The bottom line is that an unhinged Freeper started political shit-stirring because he didn't like being out of the loop, and was convinced it must be Obama's fault.

by Anonymousreply 42711/13/2012

Every single previous report has stated the rogue agent contacted Cong. Reichert who then contacted Cngressman Cantor.

Here is today's Washington Post on pg 3 of the Article headlined "Petraeus Hoped His Affair Would Remain Secret"

It confirms previous reports that Reichert passed the information to Cantor.

by Anonymousreply 42811/13/2012

I told y'all that agent was never on the case and would never have been placed on a case involving a friend. You bet he's out of a job and for damn good reasons. His derelection of duty is obvious and dangerous whereas so far I have seen no derelection of duty on the part of Petraeus.

So now it seems the "threatening emails" were more in the form of sisterly advice from Paula warning her off a dangerous course of action with the other general. I see. Makes sense in their junior high world. Jill was worried she was going to be busted "playing" with another general and lose her volunteer job as Lady in Waiting to the General's Wives. So this snitching out of Paula and HER general was her first strike defense. Very military.

The attempt to change Broadwell's wiki page to say she was having an affair LOL! Idiots. Wiki will be getting subpoenas from the FBI.

I still feel sorry for Petraeus. he doesn't deserve this shit.

by Anonymousreply 42911/13/2012

Interesting article from Wired.

It claims that Broadwell had classified info on her computer, but not from Petraeus.

OK then where the fuck did she get it from?

The FBI doesn't show up at your house and take shit out (voluntarily by you, or by warrant) unless something classified was involved.

by Anonymousreply 43011/13/2012

r429 Try to keep up. Agent Shirtless WAS on the case, until the other investigators found out he sent Kelley those slutty pics of himself, then he got kicked OFF the case.

by Anonymousreply 43111/13/2012

r431, r429's post is apologist bullshit, but s/he is right about the agent's status.

He was not in the cybercrime unit, he was in intelligence according to a former Asst Dir of the FBI.

He brought the case to the cybercrime division, who kicked off a tentative investigation. As it became obvious it might be politically sensitive, it got sent up the chain of command.

They also knew (or found out) that Agent X was a loose cannon who wanted to fuck Kelley.

Had anyone in the cybercrime unit just showed some fucking balls, looked at it, said it wasn't actionable (which it wasn't according to several former FBI agents in the media) and dropped it, none of this would have happened.

by Anonymousreply 43211/13/2012

R431, No, the rogue FBI acquaintance friend of Jill Kelley was never on the case. Cybercrime was not his area of duty, job, nor expertise.

This was spelled out on either MSNBC, Al Gore's CURRENT channel, or CNN tonight.

He brought the situation to the FBI and they opened an official inquiry into it.

by Anonymousreply 43311/13/2012

No, R431, Agent shirtless was never on the case. You need to read some more. He even said so himself.

by Anonymousreply 43411/13/2012

FBI Agent In Petraeus Case Removed After Allegedly Sending Shirtless Photos To The 'Other Woman' Jill Kelley

The federal agent who launched the investigation that eventually led to the resignation of CIA director David Petraeus [bold]was taken off the case during the summer[/bold] over concerns that he "might have grown obsessed with the matter," The Wall Street Journal reports.

The FBI agent began the inquiry on behalf of Jill Kelley—a friend of his who reportedly received about a half a dozen hostile emails from Petraeus' mistress Paula Broadwell.

The agent referred the matter to a cyber crimes unit [bold]but was prohibited from the any role in the investigation after the FBI found out that he sent shirtless photos of himself[/bold] to Kelley, people familiar with the probe told The WSJ.

[bold]After being barred from the case,[/bold] the agent contacted representative David Reichert (R-Wash.) out of concern that senior FBI officials were going to "sweep the matter under the rug," according to two officials familiar with the matter.

by Anonymousreply 43511/13/2012

R432, you write an excellent, succinct, accurate description of the situation

by Anonymousreply 43611/13/2012

r433 aka Jill's BFF, you are the least reliable source of information in this entire thread.

by Anonymousreply 43711/13/2012

The shirtless pics angle is just CRAZY. What am I missing? Why does an FBI agent send shirtless pics to Jill Kelley?

Everyone in this scandal is a Republican, right?

by Anonymousreply 43811/13/2012

All other reputable sources find the businessinsider.com article you are posting wrong

by Anonymousreply 43911/13/2012

The investigation began in May, before Agent Shirtless sent his sexy pics and therefore before he is reported to have been removed and barred from the proceedings.

I trust the WSJ more than I trust you, water carrier for Jill Kelley r439.

by Anonymousreply 44011/13/2012

R435, they are wrong. As media often are. He was never on the case. Period.

R437, quit calling people BFFs of any of these people. R433 is correct.

I need to see these shirtless photos. Does he have tits or something? Why is a shirtless photo of some guy salacious? Maybe he was at the beach. This is all so hilarious and it hasn't even been a week yet.

by Anonymousreply 44111/13/2012

Wow this Jill is a psycho, too. She claims she never dreamed asking her FBI contact to find out who was e-mailing her, would lead to Petraeus's downfall.

But there she was exchanging literally thousands of pages of e-mails with Gen, Allen. Petraeus's successor in Afghanistan. And the Tampa agent hated Obama. Bet miss Jill wasn't a fan of his either.

The military is rife with white supremacists. And a lot of them are from the Carolinas. I recall incidents some years back maybe in the 90's, when there were racial incidents and dozens of military in North Carolina were busted for something like a conspiracy. This was during all the militia crap, maybe before or after the Oklahoma thing.

by Anonymousreply 44211/13/2012

Did we ever find out what the important mission was the anonymous person wrote in a letter to the newspaper?

by Anonymousreply 44311/13/2012

Jill Kelley is a major military cockslut and those 'topless' photos of the FBI agent is a demure way of saying that they're really dick pics. Wish I was as lucky with top brass studs.

by Anonymousreply 44411/13/2012

Well that explains why Kelley hired Abbe Lowell as her lawyer and Judy Smith as her PR consultant, R442. Lowell and Smith are people you hire when you are deep shit. Lowell has defended John Edwards, Jack Abramoff and Gary Condit. Smith has done crisis management for Monica Lewinsky, Michael Vick and Kobe Bryant.

When I heard she hired Lowell and Smith, I thought it was strange for someone who was being portrayed as the victim in the case to bring in such heavy hitters. Now, as you mentioned, it has been revealed that she exchanged THOUSANDS of "inappropriate" emails with Gen. Allen. I'm guessing this is the tip of the iceberg. Although, I'm not sure the public will ever know the full story.

by Anonymousreply 44511/13/2012

Does anyone recall about 3/4 months ago, where a lot of FBI and CIA agents were let go or disciplined about alleged prostitution scandals? There was some information then about deep-rooted sex scandals high up in the secret services - some whispering in the press about it.

I can recall this and all this new information has me wondering if the media was already buzzing about something "higher up" even then.

by Anonymousreply 44611/13/2012

I remember there was a Secret Service scandal having to do with prostitutes. Weren't, they waiting for BO to get to where they were so they could protect him and in the meantime they hired hookers and stayed drunk?

by Anonymousreply 44711/13/2012

I adore Abbe Lowell - he's a fabulous lawyer. I'd hire him for anything. Besides any criminal issues she may face, he is the perfect person to hire if you may face a congressional hearing or want to avoid facing one. Also he has a great sense of how to handle the press.

Just think one short week ago we were bogged down in the election and people were without electrity. Now we have a wondrous SEX SCANDAL that keeps shape shifing into all kinds of fun possibilities.

So who is the FBI agent? Where are the topless pics?

by Anonymousreply 44811/13/2012

Another view of the General, which shows exactly why assholes like this are ruining your military.

Taken with a grain of salt of course, but I believe him:

by Anonymousreply 44911/13/2012

[quote] One of the side effects of treatment is usually erectile dysfunction so either Patraeus didn't have any effects or he has a bionic penis, able to satisfy the wife and the girlfriend.

Oh, dear. A penis doesn't satisfy women and never has, since it doesn't give them orgasms. The way you satisfy a woman is through damn good oral sex and nimble hands. That's how you get a woman hooked. Smart straight men know this, and that's why they get all the pussy they want.

by Anonymousreply 45011/13/2012

This thread is useless without photos of the fuckwit FBI agent.

by Anonymousreply 45111/13/2012

wow

by Anonymousreply 45211/13/2012

R419, I appreciate that other people have different views and that the situation may not have met the criteria for investigation.

I'm still okay with it having been investigated. As far as I know, Petraeus' classified schedule was in this somewhere, right from the start. That's why the FBI began looking into it, working from the idea that Petraeus' email may have been hacked.

The over-zealous (and paranoid Republican) agent obviously should not have contacted the House of Representatives. That, in my opinion, is where this whole thing went wrong.

by Anonymousreply 45311/13/2012

I suppose the next big revelation is going to be the identity of the paranoid, lovelorn Republican agent. Kelley's girlfriends know who he is and may even have pictures forwarded from her. They're bound to talk soon.

by Anonymousreply 45411/13/2012

So Jill Kelley had her own general to fuck!

by Anonymousreply 45511/13/2012

It sounds like a RING of loose women and stupid rightwing generals.

by Anonymousreply 45611/13/2012

This scandal is going nuclear soon and will lead all the way to the Oval Office, just like Watergate. Trust mother, kiddies.

by Anonymousreply 45711/13/2012

Paula Broadwell’s dad: More to come out

by Anonymousreply 45811/13/2012

They can't drag Obama into this, can they?

by Anonymousreply 45911/13/2012

From here on out please refer to the FBI agent as "agent shirtless".

Jill Kelly= Tampanian consort

by Anonymousreply 46011/13/2012

This reminds me of an old time fairy tale.

by Anonymousreply 46111/13/2012

How would this possibly "lead to the white house"?

by Anonymousreply 46211/13/2012

Just so we're all on the same page, the Congressman the FBI agent went to, and the person who took the information to Cantor, is Dave Reichert, the former Sheriff of King County (Seattle) who made his reputation on the Green River Killer Task Force.

In Congress he was a member of the House Committee on Homeland Security, the Subcommittee on Border Maritime and Global Counter-terrorism, and the Ranking Minority Member on the Subcommittee on Intelligence Information Sharing and Terrorism Risk Assessment.

by Anonymousreply 46311/13/2012

R. or D. r463? Is he Mormon by chance?

by Anonymousreply 46411/13/2012

[quote]R. or D. [R463]? Is he Mormon by chance?

Apparently not. Minnesota Lutheran from what I can see.

by Anonymousreply 46511/13/2012

Here's a good article about how the case unraveled, so to speak

by Anonymousreply 46611/13/2012

repu lican or democrat r465?

by Anonymousreply 46711/13/2012

[quote]repu lican or democrat [R465]?

Republican. Washington 8th has never elected a Democrat, although every election is VERY close, and it could easily turn blue in years to come.

by Anonymousreply 46811/13/2012

so is there a political angle to this story?

are most or all of the players republican?

were they trying to effect the election and the timing got screwed up?

etc.

by Anonymousreply 46911/13/2012

So this is the result of Republicans, not Democrats.

I couldn't figure out who was behind it and what the motivation was. I should have known it was panty-sniffing, dirty trickster Republicans.

They did this to make Benghazi a bigger story.

The MSM has been ignoring the rightwing's hysteria over Benghazi and its breathless charges of "a coverup." In taking down petraeus, they get the punditocracy all crazy over the affair and the focus is on Benghazi when the rightwing rolls out its next talking point.

The poor GOP was waiting for this to be their October surprise, but it didn't go through. Now there will be "when did Obama know," goobledegook and news of a "coverup" of knowledge of the affair.

by Anonymousreply 47011/13/2012

General Allen is now pulled into this with 20,000 emails in two years between him and Jill Kelley?

Um, wtf is going on, and how is that even possible?

by Anonymousreply 47111/13/2012

R469, yep they were trying to effect the election and they are also trying to make Benghazi happen. They figured this would do both.

by Anonymousreply 47211/13/2012

but HOW!?

it's about the incompetence of republican-leaning soldiers, their rightwing mistresses and a couple of republican congressmen.

POTUS was not in the loop, nor was he responsible for these generals sleeping around....

?

by Anonymousreply 47311/13/2012

right?

by Anonymousreply 47411/13/2012

[quote] This is like some black comedy. I swear.

I think the whole thing is a setup. Either someone hacked Broadwell's account or someone told Broadwell to send the emails. Broadwell is military/CIA. She knows people in her family will start dying in car accidents and having massive fatal heart attacks if she doesn't keep her mouth shut.

by Anonymousreply 47511/13/2012

[quote] but HOW!?

Stay tuned.

by Anonymousreply 47611/13/2012

R476, if you know something, spill it. Otherwise STFU.

by Anonymousreply 47711/13/2012

Jill Kelley article

by Anonymousreply 47811/13/2012

Holy shit. The audacity of the GOP is stunning.

NPR reported that "some members" i.e. Republicans, were all upset that they weren't notified of this investigation before it became public.

One Republican on MSNBC claimed it wasn't just a political issue that it was about "protecting the president".

TOTAL Bullshit. 1) Cantor- is the reason this BECAME public. 2) All of a sudden the GOP si soooo concerned about the President's welfare. REALLY?

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?

They're acting like little girls who didn't get invited to the latest shit-stirring party.

by Anonymousreply 47911/13/2012

[quote]POTUS was not in the loop, nor was he responsible for these generals sleeping around....

Please, the repugs will circle the wagons and start bleating in unison that "He was the Commander in Chief, The Buck Stops Here!"

The only thing stopping them for now is the fact that they're not sure if any of their own are involved in this.

by Anonymousreply 48011/13/2012

[quote] [R476], if you know something, spill it. Otherwise STFU.

This is an unfolding story.

There is new information every day.

So

Stay tuned or STFU

by Anonymousreply 48111/13/2012

OBVIOUSLY this is a breaking story, R481/476 etc. All of us reading this thread, and, indeed, with TV sets, are aware of that. It doesn't require idiotic, teasing posts from you, which imply you know something you evidently don't, to inform us of that fact.

So, as I said, STFU.

by Anonymousreply 48211/13/2012

That crazy-assed website someone posted about the military coup is starting to almost sound sensible. A whole bunch of military people are being taken down

by Anonymousreply 48311/13/2012

R482: clinically insane.

by Anonymousreply 48411/13/2012

R483 - I read that article and yes, it made more sense than I would have liked. All those military men have been "removed" in the last 2 months or so. Weird.

Does anyone know if 5 or 6 higher ups "retire" in the same time period?

by Anonymousreply 48511/13/2012

Yes, absolutely, it's ME who is insane, R484 etc. etc. *eye roll*

by Anonymousreply 48611/13/2012

Forgive me if I am mistaken, but this article in the Times lists a number of generals relieved from duty due to misconduct. There isn't the same level of speculation as in the other article upthread, but it's interesting that others are thinking along the same lines.

by Anonymousreply 48711/13/2012

Jill Kelley sure knows a hell of a lot of people, no? Petraeus, Allen, FBI agents...

And yes, it is you, R486. Nobody else in this thread has gone ballistic over one person's harmless post. Why don't you be quiet now and let the grown ups talk.

by Anonymousreply 48811/13/2012

I just realized I know Jill Kelley's husband. He's a doctor and had privileges at a hospital where I used to work. He was one of the very few doctors I would call a raging asshole. He talked to nurses like they were scummy little idiots.

I got to witness a feisty queen get into a screaming match with Kelley over the phone. He told the doctor he couldn't talk to him like that and hung up on him! Kelley called him right back and the fight resumed. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 48911/13/2012

And they were worried about gay people in the military???

by Anonymousreply 49011/13/2012

Eisenhower warned us about our Generals...they have been controlling us with the backup of the military corporations...I'm hoping Obama will set them straight. They are not the real head of government but they have been acting head ever since they killed Kennedy.

by Anonymousreply 49111/13/2012

damn.

by Anonymousreply 49211/13/2012

I remember Doctors like that, I disagreed with one and he nearly had a stroke. Guess no one had ever had the nerve...maybe I was the first?

by Anonymousreply 49311/13/2012

I think Benghazi was the issue, but not in the GOP way -- a few weeks before the election, I read an article about how Libya was more a CIA outpost than part of the State Department. This explained why Hillary didn't seem initially as on top of the situation as one would suppose. Being CIA, that meant Petraeus, and not only Petraeus, but a man and his friends so contemptuous of the Executive Branch that he was running the embassy on his own and not reporting up to the Secretary of State and the President on what was brewing in Libya...

by Anonymousreply 49411/13/2012

Are you talking treason r494?

by Anonymousreply 49511/13/2012

Now that he lost his job, maybe he can go into show business as a sidekick to Charlie McCarthy..

by Anonymousreply 49611/13/2012

In r494, I'm thinking the same way as r491, r495.

by Anonymousreply 49711/13/2012

r491, This reminds me- and maybe this is for another post- but has anyone else noticed in the weeks leading up to the election how Obama has had his family around him less and less? The kids were NEVER at the debates or seen with him in public very much. There was something about his demeanor... I don't know. It made me wonder if they were under a special amount of security.

Even at the acceptance speech, they were only on stage for a brief while. I've read in past articles how he's received more outright threats than any other president but ... I wonder if something happened or they knew that something was happening behind the scenes.

by Anonymousreply 49811/13/2012

Of course it was CIA...the CIA runs wild all over the world and no one stops them. It's always the same in any Embassy. Perhaps the Ambassador did not like cooperating with the CIA, so they they killed him, that's probably the real story.

by Anonymousreply 49911/13/2012

Petraeus is kind of a cool name.

by Anonymousreply 50011/13/2012

We're automatically assuming that the Republicans are in the driver's seat here, but there is also the possibility that Obama is on top of this and has been for weeks. The list of officers removed from duty recently points to someone be proactive.

This could not only blow up in the Republican's faces, it could give Obama the leverage he needs to do the first real housecleaning the military's had in decades.

by Anonymousreply 50111/13/2012

This thing freaks me the fuck out. I would love to believe this is just bunch of arrogant horny idiots caught with their pants down. I think of all the crazy jerks on the internet who would gladly accept a coup if it put the gays and the blacks back in their place. Since they could not steal the election the next goal will be impeachment and if not that worse. Remember these jerks could make billions from a war with Iran just like Iraq.

by Anonymousreply 50211/13/2012

When the bodies were returned from Benghazi, people noted the absence of Petraeus at the ceremonies. He was busy elsewhere, meeting with Ben Affleck and viewing Ben's latest movie.

by Anonymousreply 50311/13/2012

This thread gets more hysterical everytime I open it up. Aunt Pitty Pat would right at home on DL, or at least on this thread.

by Anonymousreply 50411/13/2012

So where are the best tinhat sites to read more about this? I like to keep my conspiracy theories up to date.

by Anonymousreply 50511/13/2012

For people doubting that something more is going on than a little bunny hopping, remember that people never get fired just for sex -- sex is only the excuse used for another reason.

by Anonymousreply 50611/13/2012

Uh, yes they do, in 2012 in the US. Weiner, Edwards campaign and career ended. Spitzer. Etc.

by Anonymousreply 50711/13/2012

To quote Jon Stewart: this is more 'Melrose Place' than 'Homeland.'

by Anonymousreply 50811/13/2012

I think Petraeus may need to be given a good paddling, but maybe he might like that too much.

by Anonymousreply 50911/13/2012

The Republicans are DESPERATELY trying to spin this as a fault of or some kind of conspiracy leading to or by Obama.

Consider this quote from the Republican Peter King (Ironic name, no?) on Scarborough, calling it a crises of [italic]"major proportions"[/italic].

[quote]Once the FBI realized that it was investigating the director of the CIA or the CIA director had come within its focus or its scope, I believe at that time they had an absolute obligation to tell the president. Not to protect David Petraeus, [bold]but to protect the president.[/bold]

Now I ask you, since WHEN have the Republicans been concerned about "protecting the President"?

They're pissed that they can't tie this back to Obama. If they can't make him responsible for knowing about it, then they're gonna try and make him look bad for NOT knowing about it.

Ugh.

by Anonymousreply 51011/13/2012

That coup theory does seem plausible in a way. I mean the country was divided by the election by race, no one liked Romney and Obama was cutting military purse strings and Isreal is preening for a war with Iran. Add to that the entitlement and big budgets of the military elite and corporations, I could totally see them saying we can run this shit ourselves and "save" America.

by Anonymousreply 51111/13/2012

The Rethugs want to tie all of these Rethug antics and scandal to Obama so badly but I think they will fall on their face especially Cantor and his meddling. Like all the Rethugs that went after Clinton ended up resigning/leaving.

by Anonymousreply 51211/13/2012

My problem with the "coup' theory is that it's being put out there by an extreme NUTJOB right wing Xtian conspiracy site.

by Anonymousreply 51311/13/2012

I don't think it is a coup as much as it is contempt -- the military has so much power in the status quo, they don't need to over throw anything. They feel free to ignore the President now.

by Anonymousreply 51411/13/2012

I think (hope) this is all coming from Obama. Let's face it, Generals are corrupt and there is nothing in the world more corrupt than our own death squad, the CIA.

by Anonymousreply 51511/13/2012

My guess as to why Cantor kept quiet was that he was one more person who really thought Romney would win. Petraeus is a republican and was considered one of the bright stars. Cantor probably figured they'd shut everyone up and drop this, keeping it private. Then Petraeus would stay on.

by Anonymousreply 51611/13/2012

'Duty Honor Country' the motto is the motto of West Point Academy.

Notice the order of those terms.

by Anonymousreply 51711/13/2012

Waiting for the sex tape

by Anonymousreply 51811/13/2012

Judge: Jill Kelley's twin psychologically unstable and a liar

David Petraeus' friend Jill Kelley isn't the only woman in that family he's been giving attention to this year.

In fact, it might make more sense if Paula Broadwell had sent the questionable harassing emails to Natalie Khawam if one were to see the photo of Khawam and Petraeus together here.

And since the four-star general sought to aid his Tampa, FL friend's married sister by writing a letter aiding her in a fierce custody battle a mere two months ago, then Broadwell might have more justified suspicions.

Jill Kelley's twin is psychologically unstable and a liar according to the judge who has dealt with her and her husband Grayson Wolfe as they battled it out for who was getting custody of their son.

One year ago this month that judge awarded Wolfe custody because he said Natalie Khawam, who happens to be a lawyer, was herself sending harassing emails to her husband's friends and business partners.

In addition to that, Kelley's twisted twin had lied under oath, falsely accused her husband of domestic violence, as well as made false child abuse claims when they had been married one year.

The marriage was disintegrating and this was Khawam's way to deal with it and sole custody of her son. A court-ordered psychiatrist said Jill Kelley's sister's false claims against her husband was "part of an ever-expanding set of sensational accusations."

Paula Broadwell had the harassing emails act in common with Jill Kelley's sister, but the two women might have swapped harassing emails to one another if Broadwell had realized Petraeus was helping Khawam recently.

by Anonymousreply 51911/13/2012

urf.

by Anonymousreply 52011/13/2012

I'm somewhat surprised a photo of the shirtless agent hasn't popped up yet. Surely, she must have forwarded it to a girlfriend or two.

by Anonymousreply 52111/13/2012

Petraeus is a Republican, but I know for a fact his daughter is a Democrat. His wife seems fairly apolitical and his son is a Republican by default.

by Anonymousreply 52211/13/2012

Agent Shirtless name should be leaked ... he was the one pushing to publicly air the dirty laundry of Patreaus, Broadwell and their spouses/children when it didnt need to be made public

by Anonymousreply 52311/13/2012

"Surely, she must have forwarded it to a girlfriend or two."

Doubt it. He's probably some old guy who thinks he looks hotter than he actually does

by Anonymousreply 52411/13/2012

Military bases are hotbeds of sexual intrigue. If you live near one and "volunteer" you're usually infatuated with the military.

If you're prominent and well to do, and access the upper echelons,the social cache from be "close" to generals and their wives is very important. It's an entire sub-culture unto itself. This is true from Hawaii,to the Carolinas,San Diego to Norfolk, and especially the Washington, D.C. area. It's very intoxicating to have access to top generals, celebrities you read about and see on the news.

Jill Kelley seems like a conniving bitch. Very proprietary about her "friends" with no problem using their influence. Bet we're going to find out about all kinds of "perks" access afforded her. People like her, immersed in the base's culture, hanging out with generals and their wives, lose sight on reality.

They too, operate in that parallel universe. It gives them a sense of power to be able to call up a "friend" in the FBI andatart an investigation. She was never frightened. She was pissed, intriguing to find out who had peeped her.

Bet she is sorry she fucked over Petraeus, tho. She's sinking like a stone,her social status completely compromised. She complains she's the vicitm in this debacle, but all those "friends" now consider her a pariah.

Broadwell will figure out how to turn this career destroying mess to her advantage. She has more intellectual and personal resources, so she'll re-invent herself. Remember. She's "cooperating."

Kelley seems like a Right Wing, politically active piece of shit. Petraeus's lover is hard core military. She probably knows enough for a few more books.

There's no serious conspiracy operating here, IMO. The scandal just rips the covers off the military sub-culture. All that God, Honor Country rectitude. Officers, enlisted men, Generals, fuck around all the time. Generals have huge egos. They love it when these military "groupies" sing a chorus of "How great thou art." So yeah, Melrose Place not Homeland.

In my opinion? The Republican cabal has been after Holder for months. They hate him. They will use this to take another run at him.

This also compromises Petraeus's report on Benghazi. He was going to testify with a stellar reputation, with weight and authority. Now he looks like a pathetic ass. His report on Benghazi will have no impact. He's been blunted.

The GOP is scrambling for angles to take advantage of. Yes, all these players are Republicans, but don't kid yourself. Rigid extremists like the Republicans in Congress, don't forgive anyone who willingly cooperates, supports, or collaborates with the enemy. Ever. So Petraeus, who was going to support the adminnistration's version of what happened in Benghazi, now has a career in shambles, and no credibility in his own area of expertise.

The impact on POTUS, is that it's weakened him. I'm so glad he has Holder & Panetta with him. You won't find two more capable, smart, courageous, principled members of the cabinet than them.

As for Election night, and the rest, I noticed the absense of the kids, too. But I Michelle was campaigning like crazy this time. The kids are older,and know what's happening now, it's not new as it was in 2008. But Iy do agree there were serious security concerns, and they were obvious in the decision to move indoors in Charlotte, and again election night.

There are some very angry people in this country. Some of them are members of Congress, some of them serve in our military, and some of them infiltrate large crowds. By removing people who are capable and trustworthy in the performance of their jobs, it endangers the country as much as POTUS

by Anonymousreply 52511/13/2012

[quote]There are some very angry people in this country. Some of them are members of Congress, some of them serve in our military, and some of them infiltrate large crowds. By removing people who are capable and trustworthy in the performance of their jobs, it endangers the country as much as POTUS

To that point, an acquaintance of mine was just telling me a few days after the election that his little brother, who just signed up for the military, is PISSED that Obama won because that means he's not going to get to go into battle because Obama has been scaling back fighting and such. Under a Romney admin., he was sure he'd see fighting action, and that's what he wanted. It's psychotic, but there are plenty troops and their families who actively WANT another war because it means they get to play GI Joe hero or some shit.

by Anonymousreply 52711/13/2012

It sounds like the Kelleys blaze a trail of litigation wherever they go. The Tampabay.com article says that she in her husband have been involved in 10 lawsuits for non-payment of credit cards, rent, and a foreclorsure on an office building.

by Anonymousreply 52811/13/2012

Just heard some breaking news: Jill and her hubby doc are broke and deeply in debt from the real estate bubble. Supposedly they have a mansion but can't keep it. Sorry don't have a link yet.

by Anonymousreply 52911/13/2012

There seems to be a major purging of top military brass. Another general was just stripped of a star and allowed to take 'early retirement' w/the demoted pay. how many is that of late?

by Anonymousreply 53011/13/2012

The article at R449 is interesting.

by Anonymousreply 53111/13/2012

[quote] When the bodies were returned from Benghazi, people noted the absence of Petraeus at the ceremonies

Why would he be there? The agency doesn't acknowledge members working as Embassy personnel. If they were working as such. Ambassadors are not CIA operatives but personnel at embassies and various missions may be. But that is not something discussed even after death.

by Anonymousreply 53211/13/2012

How, r525, has this "weakened" POTUS?

by Anonymousreply 53311/13/2012

So r527's brother just wants to shoot his gun and kill people, he doesn't care who he kills...he just wants to kill so let us send him over to another country...and set him loose. Creepy America.

by Anonymousreply 53411/13/2012

Dammit, you Marys are scaring me!

The coup tinhat theory totally fits with everything that has happened lately.

I'm worried about O and the girls.

How can they trust anyone close to them? And if one head of the hydra is cut off, who's to say there aren't three more growing?

by Anonymousreply 53511/13/2012

Oh, and I'm clutching my pearls as I type.

by Anonymousreply 53611/13/2012

I worry about Obama also. I hope he has trustworthy secret service agents around him. Early on, I don't think they were really watching him carefully.

by Anonymousreply 53711/13/2012

R525, you go a bit too far. You forget that the people Petraeus will be testifying to and who are the ones who need to "buy" his explanations aren't much different from him. That includes Dems as well as rethugs. That is, MEN who are probably very sympathetic with his ordeal. You know - there but for the grace of god blah blah blah blah.

His credibility on the topic of his expertise is not completely gone at all. That's just an over the top statement. I wouldn't be surprised if they resurrected him in the future. Now the rethugs may very well try to make it seem like he shouldn't be believed so they can make unfair hay of the Ambassador's death but it's far from reality.

The committee could hear Petraeus' testimony in closed session. I'm not seeing any reason why it couldn't except politically.

I know Eric Holder. I like Eric Holder. Yes the rethugs have been going after him on some pretty stupid things and have shown an idiotic understanding of how DOJ works. But you again go over the top with your praise. Just the other day I saw something about the President wanting him for the Court. I hope that was a joke. Eric is capable and very likable but he is not exceptionally smart. Not the kind of smart you need for the Supreme Court. There ARE however judges who ARE that smart right there in DC in the courthouse where Eric used to sit. But Eric is not and was never considered one of them.

I also have some serious issues with some of his policies at DOJ but from a different perspective than the rethugs. Holder is not the great liberal people think he is.

by Anonymousreply 53811/13/2012

I forgot to add - these conspiracy theories are whack.

by Anonymousreply 53911/13/2012

r525, please answer the question. i appreciate your posts. i just want you to be specific on how this weakens obama, as i don't see it.

by Anonymousreply 54011/13/2012

r535. Don't worry. The coup theory is not true.

It is true that Obama has had a lot of threats against him, most presidents to- but he more than others. However, he's a smart man and he has people close to him that are very loyal.

This is all going to blow up in the Republicans' faces. Just wait.

by Anonymousreply 54111/13/2012

CNBC explained how Petraeus and Broadwell handled their emails, and it's kind of clever.

They had one Gmail account and they both had the password. Instead of sending each other emails (which left a record)left them in the Gmail account. They logged in, read each others drafts, and never left a trail. Or so they thought.

by Anonymousreply 54211/13/2012

I'll give Limbaugh credit. I turned him on expecting to hear outrage, but he's just shaking his head over this, and not trying to pin it on Obama. He calls it "Real Housewives of West Point."

by Anonymousreply 54311/13/2012

So how did the FBI find it? r542? Did they hack the account or is this another thing that Google has given up to the Government?

by Anonymousreply 54411/13/2012

I hope you're right, r541. It must be like living in piranha infested waters - never knowing who to trust.

Whatever great omnipotent presence is listening - please keep an eye on the First Family and keep the people around them loyal.

by Anonymousreply 54511/13/2012

[quote]So how did the FBI find it?

I think the prom queen/valedictorian/West Point athletic star/Harvard doctorate lady used the account to harass the brown lady.

by Anonymousreply 54611/13/2012

[quote]So how did the FBI find it? [R542]? Did they hack the account or is this another thing that Google has given up to the Government?

Didn't say. Maybe the got Broadwell's computer and logged on?

by Anonymousreply 54711/13/2012

[quote]They logged in, read each others drafts, and never left a trail. Or so they thought.

I can understand this as I do it myself. BUT - even if you don't SEND the damned thing, it's still out there on the Google servers. It's also still on your HD.

Seriously, people? You're C fucking I fucking A and don't grasp that?

by Anonymousreply 54811/13/2012

r525?

by Anonymousreply 54911/13/2012

What do you bet the password was someone's dog's name.

by Anonymousreply 55011/13/2012

[quote]even if you don't SEND the damned thing, it's still out there on the Google servers. It's also still on your HD.

Isn't Gmail about the worst one they could have picked? I don't use it, but when I looked, it didn't seem like you could ever really delete a fucking thing once it was on there.

by Anonymousreply 55111/13/2012

Yes, pretty much like FB, r551.

by Anonymousreply 55211/13/2012

They traced the borderline harrassing e-mails to Broadwell's family account (Yes, that's right. It's in her husband's name, too) where they found Petraeus' classified schedule, which widened the scope of the investigation. They wanted to know how she obtained what she shouldn't have had. They were able to trace her internet activity to the shared account, where they found evidence of the affair and the other link to the general.

It all sounds kosher except for the initial FBI involvement which seemed to be finagled by Mrs. Kelley through a personal contact at the bureau. Agent Shirtless seemed to be shepherding the case through his contacts in the bureau in order to get into Mrs. Kelley's good graces, so much so that his obsession was noted by his superiors and he was removed from the case. He then called the heavy right-wing hitters in Congress.

The fact that Limbaugh is calling this a "Real Housewives of West Point" says a lot. It's practically an acknowledgement that the right wing has shot itself in the foot with their cray cray. Well, he won't acknowledge the nuttery, just that it's not working out so well for them.

by Anonymousreply 55311/13/2012

The talk about conspiracy has reminded me of something one of the pundits was bitching about before the election.

He read Michelle's schedule, and wondered why on earth she was wasting campaign time going to several historically Black colleges and speaking there instead of going to Florida or Ohio where she could do some good.

It certainly would have been easier to protect her (and spot threats) on a black college campus than in downtown Cleveland.

by Anonymousreply 55411/13/2012

Also, if this bizarre Right-wing planning was going on behind the scenes, it might easily have been a factor in Obama's drained demeanor and lackluster first-debate performance. If there had been real security threats against his family...

by Anonymousreply 55611/13/2012

Limbaugh is downplaying it because it all involves repugs.

by Anonymousreply 55711/13/2012

Weel, first, in spite of what R538 says about me being "over the top" I'll stick to my own beliefs about Holder. He's very loyal to Obama. I'm certain there are many fine potential candidates for SCOTUS, but the standard against which I measure is Clarence Thomas, Alito, and Scalia. Compared to them Eric Holder is a fucking genius.

I never suggested he is a "great Liberal. " I do believe he's ethical, and would uphold the Constitution with a comparatively liberal bias on those questions which I hold important. With an Eric Holder on the court, I wouldn't worry about Voting Rights, Abortion or anything else of particualr concern to women and minorities in this country.

We can differ about Eric, but those are my reasons. All one can do is their best, and I trust Eric Holder's impulses. I only "know" him from his work. I don't always agree with his actions, but I trust him.

As for this military soap opera, I see it as weakening POTUS because it affects the lead people he's entrusted with conducting the war on terror. Petraeus supervised the intelligence community while having full knowledge of military capabilities and deep connections thruout the regions where we need friends and contacts. His departure is a huge loss, even if only short term.

Implicating Allen is also worrisome. Yes he was about to leave, but POTUS may have considered him for some future role in this administration. Again a person of great value.

Petraeus wasn't just head of the CIA, he was an internationally repscted military commander and a person of great international influence. To say I've overstated this fails to fully appreciate the effects it will have.

Hopefully yes, maybe short lived, but there will definitely be some damage to repair. As for Petraeus's closed door testimony, what he testifies too will assuredly be made public within appropriate limitations. And he will not have weight or authority in the public arena. Right now the general public now sees him as somewhat ridiculous at best. So this affects his credibility short term, no matter how or if his image is rehabilitated.

by Anonymousreply 55811/13/2012

If limpballs is trying to blow it off, then it's something that's pretty damning to rethugs, you can bet on it.

by Anonymousreply 55911/13/2012

Why oh why can't the FBI get something more on Limbaugh? Him and his lies tore this country apart.

by Anonymousreply 56011/13/2012

The password was "peaches".

by Anonymousreply 56111/13/2012

Jesus Christ. Talk about unintended consequences and collateral damage. Her sister's dirty laundry is being aired. And how. Both Petraeus and Allen wrote character references for the custody trial. It didn't turn out well for them or her. It could ruin whatever career she might be able to salvage from this.:

[quote]"profound concerns about Ms. Khawam's poor logical thinking and her extreme distortions" and "severe psychological deficits." Court documents state that Khawam "was terminated from at least four consecutive positions of employment within the first five years following her graduation from law school, is a psychologically unstable person whose unsteady moral and ethical compass and apparent lack of awareness of her own shortcomings make it impossible for her successfully to navigate her surroundings in a consistent and sustainable way."

I wonder if the 20 to 30K pages of e-mails involved correspondence about the divorce or contained court docs to make it that voluminous.

by Anonymousreply 56211/13/2012

One thing we haven't considered is the possibility that the timing of this thing breaking the same time Obama was re-elected, could be a giant fuck you to Netanyahu.

Was the CIA in bed with Israel and planning to attack Iran?

by Anonymousreply 56311/13/2012

good god.

by Anonymousreply 56411/13/2012

Jill and her husband are like the Salahis. Live in high style, but are massively in debt and being sued by creditors. This fact may add another dimension to the story.

by Anonymousreply 56511/13/2012

Oh, Jesus, R563. Really.

Funny that these top generals hand out character references to a complete whack job on the basis of a social connection to her sister. That's pretty embarrassing and irresponsible.

by Anonymousreply 56611/13/2012

[quote I'll give Limbaugh credit. I turned him on expecting to hear outrage, but he's just shaking his head over this, and not trying to pin it on Obama. He calls it "Real Housewives of West Point."]

If Rush is trying to minimze this - then he knows ALL of the dirt is going to splatter on Repubs; or, knows it's their dirty tricks gone awray.

by Anonymousreply 56711/13/2012

Right now things may be "sensitive with Israel, but Israel is our surrogate in Syria right now,lobbing missiles and asisting in weakening the Assad regime. Netanyahu lost standing by supporting Romney and he did support Romney. He has made himself very vulnerable at home.

I suspect Limbaugh & the GOP are still attempting to develop their line of attack on the Petraeus matter. Limbaugh will figure it out soon, and begin leveling his attack and his allegations.

They can't use the "Why didn't you tell us sooner" argument too long without looking like impotent assholes. This will eventually be about Benghazi. They are waiting for those hearings, drooling for them.

by Anonymousreply 56811/13/2012

This story was supposed to come out before the election but because hurricane Sandy took hold of the media for more than one week before it hit the coast the story wasn't revealed.

Sandy probably saved Obama but not as the way Repugs say it did.

by Anonymousreply 56911/13/2012

r569 -- no.

There is hardly anything about this story that would have harmed Obama's chances of being reelected.

This is about a bunch of freaky republican idiots. Not potus.

by Anonymousreply 57011/13/2012

So are the right wingers going to blame Cantor now for not breaking the story to the press?

by Anonymousreply 57111/13/2012

R570, if the story had broken one week before the election, no one would have had all the details which are surfacing right now. Think about it: the head of the CIA resigning one week before an election. This would have convinced a lot of reactionary voters to think twice about Obama.

by Anonymousreply 57211/13/2012

The story that R562 posted isn't news; it's the worst kind of gossip. Petraeus and Allen wrote letters in support of a petition stripping her of the custody of her son. All they did was report on their own observations of how she behaved toward her son while in their presence. So what? The world already knows that Jill Kelley and her sister had a social relationship with these men.

The shirtless photos of the obsessed FBI agent with a political agenda, Kelley's flirtatious and voluminous e-mails with Allen (potentially criminal conduct for him, if they're coincident to an adulterous affair), the stay-away-from-my-man emails that kicked off the investigation--fine. All that is part of the news story.

The details of Jill Kelley's sister's finances and her custody battle are not newsworthy. I shudder to think of what's coming next.

by Anonymousreply 57311/13/2012

[quote]I shudder to think of what's coming next.

Possibly that Ms. Kelley, self-proclaimed social liason (no such thing in reality) may be a bit Heidi Fleiss-ish. You know, a kind of military madame.

This would explain the very high profile lawyer and her father's words about this not being what it seems and there's more unraveling to come.

by Anonymousreply 57411/13/2012

Schaedenfreude.

by Anonymousreply 57511/13/2012

I wonder what conspiracy the right will come up with next since Petraeus can still be made to testify by Congress.

They're such fucking idiots

by Anonymousreply 57611/13/2012

[quote]I'll give Limbaugh credit. I turned him on expecting to hear outrage, but he's just shaking his head over this, and not trying to pin it on Obama. He calls it "Real Housewives of West Point."

Oh please STFU.

The only time Limbaugh would ever be worthy of credit is if he committed a murder-suicide involving himself and the rest of the lunatics like him, doing humanity a huge favor.

by Anonymousreply 57711/13/2012

I have this fantasy, R577. Rove & Limbaugh having dinner togehter at some posh resort in Boca Raton,FLA....the same waiter who taped Romney happens to be working there, only this time, he has Oxycontin capsules. He dissolves a lethal does into their fifth bottle of wine...

by Anonymousreply 57811/13/2012

[quote]The Pentagon investigation isn’t looking at any potential breaches of classified information between Allen and Kelley, a difference between the subject of this inquiry and the FBI investigation that ultimately led Director of National Intelligence James Clapper to insist that Petraeus retire. [bold]But the Defense Department official twice punted on questions about whether Allen and Petraeus are the only two generals that came under FBI scrutiny.[/bold]

[quote]Allen told the judge that he came to know the Kelley family “at command social functions” in Tampa, and it convinced him of Khawam’s fitness to raise her son: “In light of Natalie’s maturity, integrity and steadfast commitment to raising her child, I humbly request your reconsideration of the existing mandated custody settlement.”

Hmm.

[quote]Kelley is not a U.S. government employee, the Defense Department official said — although Washington Post reporter Ernesto Londono tweeted a photo of her license plate, which bears the stamp “Honorary Consul.”

Tee hee.

by Anonymousreply 57911/13/2012

[quote] CNBC explained how Petraeus and Broadwell handled their emails, and it's kind of clever. They had one Gmail account and they both had the password. Instead of sending each other emails (which left a record)left them in the Gmail account. They logged in, read each others drafts, and never left a trail. Or so they thought.

This is how terrorists communicate and so it caught the FBI's attention. You'd think Petraeus would have known that.

What's wrong with the telephone? When you are having an affair don't you want to hear your lover's voice? I do. Is there no romance left?

I don't think anyone would have been all that suspicious of normal, friendly emails between the two given the biography and the circumstances. It would have been natural for them to become friendly.

by Anonymousreply 58011/13/2012

What's up with this? Isn't this park a popular place to meet and fuck?

The woman revealed to have been carrying on an affair with former CIA Director David Petraeus lost her driver's license in a Washington, D.C., park recently, sources tell U.S. News.

A Maryland National Capital Park Police spokesman confirmed that a jogger found a North Carolina license in Rock Creek Park belonging to Paula Broadwell. Park Police planned to hold it for 90 days, per policy, and then send it back to the North Carolina Department of Transportation.

The Park Police also alerted the FBI, says Bill Kellogg, a spokesman for the Park Police. The FBI did not initially return calls for comment on the report.

by Anonymousreply 58111/13/2012

Holy Christ. How much is that chick regretting whining to her FBI admirer at this point?

by Anonymousreply 58211/13/2012

*Ahem* Phones can be tapped... you know

by Anonymousreply 58311/13/2012

Rumor: Kelley's sister "dated" Charlie Christ.

by Anonymousreply 58411/13/2012

This will eventually include everyone

by Anonymousreply 58511/13/2012

Batshit Broadwell used pseudonym "Kelley Patrol" when writing to Gen. Allen.

-Wall Street Journal

by Anonymousreply 58611/13/2012

Someone commented on TPM that the shirtless photos were of a female agent. I have no idea if it's true, but wouldn't that be a kicker?

by Anonymousreply 58711/13/2012

[quote]Gen. Allen Told Officials No Affair Was Involved

by Anonymousreply 58811/13/2012

The real Petraeus scandal

How did a cyber-harassment complaint trigger an electronic dragnet that toppled a CIA director?

by Anonymousreply 58911/13/2012

The reason being (for the female theory) was the use of the pronoun "her" or "she" with regards to the agent in one of the reports. Should have put that in my original post.

by Anonymousreply 59011/13/2012

R554, there is some interesting information on the election threads explaining how Obama won the election. Some of it was based on interviews with the Romney team who were very admiring of the strategy.

Part of what BO's people did was to pinpoint the smaller community, neighborhoods, community groups and other groups. They directed their message there rather than focusing more globally on an entire state (the traditional method of campaigning). To that end, they had small campaign headquarters scattered all over some states. In Ohio they had over 100 more headquarters than Romney did; they operated out of those headquarters to talk to individuals and smaller groups.

While Romney's camp were making fun of Obama for not having much experience outside of being a community organizer, Obama was using that experience to quietly and effectively organize the community. He did what he knew best how to do.

Small black colleges would fit that strategy perfectly. They needed to get out the vote -- particularly the young, black vote. What better place to bring that about than a black college? MO was a very effective campaigner in those smaller groups. She's also very good one on one, and people come away from those encounters liking her.

I doubt her going to black colleges was for security reasons. It was her milieu.

by Anonymousreply 59111/13/2012

Seems to me that the politicizing this event is well, stupid. Rush finally got something right: "real housewives of West Point".

Petraeus is wrecklessly having an affair with a wreckless married woman and other wreckless people are involved in a web of accusations and finger pointing and all round stupid behavior. All of this formula for a good reality show on the TV.

And the world goes round...

Petraeus turns out to be a flawed man willing to risk his career and huge responsibilities over a wing nut chick (with credentials). Harvard means you may be smart, but it does not mean you have emotional intelligence. And Patraeus is hardly the first man to behave like a 13 year old cause stealing cigarettes. The list is long and that is only the ones who have been "caught".

This is the proverbial tempest in a teapot, important only for the fact that heavy breathing (not lying to Congress, not lying to the UN, not attacking a nation based on those lies etc) is a high crime in the court of public opinion. Right up there with letting your towel down while you wiggle into your tighty-whiteys at the gym. Beware, an American general or politician could be lurking with a cell phone!!! Oh the shame and humiliation of it all.

Americans are prudes, and if not that hypocrits.

Frankly I love it when self righteous prigs like this general get caught with their pants down. I do mourn when it cuts short a political career that I thought was going to do the country/world some good (Spitzer) comes to an end or gives amunition to the crazed Republican prudes and tight asses. Petraeus was not such a man. He was at odds with Obama's decision to get out these wars ASAP (without looking like we are doing just that.)

by Anonymousreply 59211/13/2012

Pretty late to the party.

So Cantor was hoping for an October Surprise that would have hurt Obama but it bounced back on one of their own (right hand not knowing what the other right hand is doing - there are no left hands!)? That's so delicious it must be fattening.

by Anonymousreply 59311/13/2012

The Salon article hits the nail on the head. An unwarranted, unjustified electronic intrusion brought at the behest on an unhinged agent. Damn. I think I've used the word "unhinged" about a half dozen times this week.

[quote] “Having the career of the beloved CIA Director and the commanding general in Afghanistan instantly destroyed due to highly invasive and unwarranted electronic surveillance is almost enough to make one believe not only that there is a god, but that he is an ardent civil libertarian.”

by Anonymousreply 59411/13/2012

Discussion continued at the link....

by Anonymousreply 59511/13/2012

Live by the sword, die by the sword, R594.

by Anonymousreply 59611/13/2012

Everyone in govt and in high positions fools around etc. It is only singled out in certain cases for other, political reasons.

by Anonymousreply 59711/13/2012

Love that yellow frock!

by Anonymousreply 59811/13/2012

r589, the link in the article you cited gives you the answer: they're all spooks of varying degrees.

The Bureau was covering their asses in case anything blew up, especially before the election.

by Anonymousreply 59911/13/2012

We were doing all that cheating in our 20s and gossiping about it but how old are these people? Still acting and sounding like school girls.

by Anonymousreply 60011/13/2012

[quote]Petraeus is wrecklessly having an affair with a wreckless married woman and other wreckless people are involved in a web of accusations and finger pointing and all round stupid behavior.

Use a word 3 times & it's yours -- even if you can't spell it....

by Anonymousreply 60111/13/2012

[quote] a jogger found a North Carolina license in Rock Creek Park

Ripped from the headlines!

by Anonymousreply 60211/13/2012
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