Is there a difference between being racist and mourning the majority white culture?
Not racists perhaps but scared white people
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/09/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/07/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/07/2012|
Why morn, just move to New Zealand or Australia. These are far whited nations than the US can ever be again. Once the whites leave, you can be sure who will try to followL)
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/07/2012|
Yes and no, OP. People are often fearful of change. They also tend to project their fears onto the unfamiliar. Scared white people could be coincidentally white and scared of something that is not racial. This country is a mess. Educational opportunity is poor, there is more poverty and it shows. There is also a trashing of the culture that may be offensive to some. It has less to do with race and more to do with advancement of social media, including the cell phone and the internet. With education comes awareness, but education is an ongoing process. People have to keep learning all the time to be comfortable with change.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/07/2012|
I think there is. One can fear or even regret the loss of white privilege while accepting it as legitimate and inevitable. One might even mourn the past while being optimistic about the future.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/07/2012|
R4 I agree with you. But the foundation of those feelings about change are defined by white privilege. To be honest, except after WWll, educational opportunity has always been poor. Very few people can go to college with going into some debt. And poverty is everlasting . The culture they are missing is a culture that has always told them they were better than people of color. That should be seem as an evolution of a society when one culture, one color loses domination over another. That is the myth of the United States. That we can all be equal.
If they miss dominating the culture that speaks volumes to what they think America really stands for. Instead of mourning they should feel blessed to live in a country that tries to live up to its promises.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/07/2012|
Jesus, that's deep R6. No sarcasm intended.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/07/2012|
I'm white but the stupid, Fox News/reality TV, gun and religion loving, racist, hating the poor and voting Rethug white people scare me way more than any non white people do. They almost gave us Romney/Ryan. What could be more frightening than that!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||11/07/2012|
[quote] and mourning the majority white culture?
you lost me RIGHT there, when was this ever so?
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/07/2012|
They're not mourning the decline of white privilege so much as white cultural dominance. The two are closely interrelated, of course, but IMHO there's a distinction. My flyover relatives miss a world where everyone they knew was a white straight christian, and so was everyone they saw in the media.
They don't necessarily hate anyone, but they don't like the fact that their world has changed.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||11/07/2012|
No because they always make the assumption that a non-white majority will be worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/07/2012|
Let us go to the overlapping Venn Diagram...
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/07/2012|
What is "white culture"?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/07/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/07/2012|
People have such a zero-sum mentality. Why do you think you have to push someone else down to rise up? Why can you just be equals?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/07/2012|
There is no difference. We don't live in a majority culture. We live in a multiculture, and we have for hundreds of years. Those who mourn the dominance of Anglo culture in America are racists.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/07/2012|
This is my opinion. Whether they're scared white people or racist doesn't really matter. My issue is that they seem to blame the wrong people for their problems. I will argue that being born white in this country, especially white, straight and male gives you the opportunity to do whatever you want.
The most vocal of this scared white people crowd, are quick to yell welfare and handouts and socialism.
That black welfare mother with 4 different children by 4 different men is only hurting herself and her children. She isn't hurting white people. Now are their tax dollars being spent to help her? Sure. But what about the wars, the corporate welfare, the aid to other nations? The tax cuts for the rich? Why is that okay? But helping some person who is down on their luck or who makes stupid choices have food on the table for the children and healthcare bad?
And these idiots suck at the teat of the Koch's and the Romney's who wouldn't even allow them through the front door. Do you think Ann Romney is hosting cocktail receptions for people in the Tea Party? Do you think the Koch Bros are letting Joe Six Pack and their Honey Boo Boo family into their Swim and Racquet Clubs?
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/07/2012|
I don't like how everyone treats racism as a, no-pun-intended, black and white issue.
A more accurate measure would be something like a Kinsey scale for racism.
For example, my father is not so uneducated or racist to use the n-word as his father did. But my father votes and rants like a Republican when all the Republican dog-whistles about welfare queens and the like get triggered.
I had thought my dad was getting better on race after 2008 when he was so fed up with the W. presidency that I was able to convince him to vote for Obama when he hadn't voted Democrat before, let alone for a black person.
But he lives in a rural place and all his friends are hard-core conservative farmer types so he gets all kinds of crazy anti-Obama gossip and e-mail articles and such that I know he voted Romney and was hoping Obama would lose.
So today he's been in mourning at all the news reports that Latinos and women gave Obama the election and concerned that he as an old white man doesn't matter any more. Like that the Latino ascendance as a political force must mean that he has a white person is no longer as powerful or important or safe.
As much as I hate my father's racism, I can still find it in my heart to love him as a person because I can somewhat understand it from his point of view, in that he grew up a poor farm boy, first in his family to go to college, worked hard his whole life for everything he had, and is frustrated in that he doesn't see himself as being a big winner in the white privilege sweepstakes and at the same time what little advantage he has had is being taken away from him or at least he's being told by the media that something is being taken away from him and he's not in the mainstream.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||11/07/2012|
Whites are still the vast majority.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/07/2012|
Thanks for the thoughtful replies.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/08/2012|
" I will argue that being born white in this country, especially white, straight and male gives you the opportunity to do whatever you want."
No, no, MONEY is what gives a person the chance to do whatever they want, wealth and social class are what really matter. A white, straight male who is born into an education-free trailer park doesn't have the same opportunities as a George W. Bush, instead, he has the chance to see his factory job sent to Vietnam, and end up working part-time at Wal-Mart for minimum wage and no benefits.
America's working class are all in the same horrible sinking boat, regardless of race.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/08/2012|
Tell them that r21. They don't seem to get it.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/08/2012|
But, R21, chances are *you* won't get followed around in the department store, or stopped by a cop for walking in a white neighborhood, or by state trooper for driving a Porsche. The poorest white man still retains certain privilege over even a middle class or even wealthy black, solely based on skin color.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/08/2012|
Oh, I don't deny the existence of "skin privelege", particularly when it comes to law enforcement.
However, in terms of what any individual is able to achieve over the course of their life, I still maintain that family wealth, social class, and eduation are the things that give a person the freedom to do whatever s/he wants to do. Billy Ray the Wal-Mart janitor is never ever going to become Wal-Mart's VP for Financial Operatons, but he does have a slightly chance of being promoted to shift manager than a black co-worker with equal qualifications.
Skin privilege doesn't get you much these days, and that makes some white people very angry.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/08/2012|
[quote]I'm white but the stupid, Fox News/reality TV, gun and religion loving, racist, hating the poor and voting Rethug white people scare me way more than any non white people do. They almost gave us Romney/Ryan. What could be more frightening than that!
All day election day Fox News had a story on the air and their front page about a black man identified as a Black Panther who was standing at a Philadelphia polling place. The hedadline might has well have been "There's a Negro at the polling place!" I'm white and it was offensive and racist, PERIOD.
Of course The Huffington Post talked to him and found him "nonthreatening" and "relatively pleasant to speak with."
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/08/2012|
Man seen at polling place!
|by Anonymous||reply 26||11/08/2012|
R24, I agree that it doesn't return as much as it has in the past, and I agree that this makes some people furious.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/08/2012|
White people are probably afraid of minorities coming into the majority and making them pay for centuries of oppression.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||11/08/2012|
There are degrees of racism, just like there are degrees of murder, but we don't really have the vocabulary to reflect that. Someone crosses the street to avoid passing a black man? Racist! Burn a cross on a black man's lawn? Racist! They're two completely different degrees of racism, but we only have one word for it.
That said, white people mourning the loss of white privilege and social and economic dominance are still racist - they're just not the same degree of racist as, say, the tea bagger carrying a sign comparing Obama to a monkey.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/08/2012|
I like your post R29. I think that's my problem with (so-called) PC-ism. It reacts to different things with the same intensity.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||11/09/2012|
R28, I disagree. Just as Denzel Washington is now an international movie star, crossing the color barrier because he defies the "stereotype," I think that more and more Americans are aware that the White trash of Honey Boo Boo does not reflect the rest of White America. We will soon see an Hispanic VP that is educated and well-spoken, and exemplifies American ideals.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/09/2012|