How much you want to bet dumbass mom will sue and win?
Boy visiting zoo mauled by African wild dogs
|by Anonymous||reply 102||11/11/2012|
"The child was with his mother visiting the Pittsburgh Zoo & PPG Aquarium. He fell about 11 feet off a railing that his mother had put him on top of to view the animals, police said."
I feel terrible for the child.
Sad human hubris/stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||11/05/2012|
Are the dogs from Kenya? Nevermind; they are now.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||11/05/2012|
OP,what is up with all of the women hate? Not every woman is your rejecting, non-accepting mother! Give it a rest!
|by Anonymous||reply 3||11/05/2012|
I don't hate women R3. I'm a female myself. I would say the same thing if it was a gay man who did this. Give it a rest!
|by Anonymous||reply 4||11/05/2012|
The mother should be charged with negligence
|by Anonymous||reply 5||11/05/2012|
To be fair, the boy was still dressed in his Halloween costume, which was a zebra carcass.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||11/05/2012|
Right, because she hasn't suffered enough to punish her or deter others from doing it again.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||11/05/2012|
I guess if the dingo eats the baby in front of other people it is ok.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||11/05/2012|
Meh....thanks for nothing. Tasted like bad chicken.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||11/05/2012|
Nobody in their right mind would stand a 2-year-old on a railing and not keep a firm grip on him.
Maybe she was training him to be a tightrope walker.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||11/05/2012|
I worked at the Bronx Zoo for several seasons. Adults were always seating their children on the railing to see the sea lions, even though there was a ten foot drop. We'd tell them over and over again not to place their children there and they'd blow us off.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||11/05/2012|
Some people need signs for everything. In a couple of years some people need 'breath in'/'breath out' signs.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||11/05/2012|
1 of the 11 Painted Dogs was shot because it would not move away during the (too late) rescue. The others will NOT be euthanized, thank god.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||11/05/2012|
I'm glad the dogs aren't being euthanized. That poor kid did nothing to deserve a mother that careless and stupid. Yikes, what an awful way to die.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||11/05/2012|
A ten for artistry. A fallen baby? African Wild Dogs? Pittsburgh? The invoked tableau is working class gorgeous. Truly. But a five for technical difficulty. Allowing gravity and the dogs do all the work, seems, lazy somehow.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||11/05/2012|
The moron mother had him STANDING on the railing! Unbelievable stupidity.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||11/05/2012|
They were just longing for some solitary company.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||11/05/2012|
I'd be an outrage if the zoo had to pay a dime. They have endangered species to look out for, the moron mother better keep her grubby hands of their money. It was a freak accident, the kid bounced twice on the safety net, and he never should've been stood on the railing in the first place.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||11/05/2012|
How I do love thee, Mrs. Patrick Ramsey! WW for R15.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||11/05/2012|
You are sick, r14.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||11/05/2012|
Why do say that R20? His mother was stupid and careless. The dogs do not deserve to be punished for doing what nature intended.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||11/05/2012|
I could be wrong, but I think r20 actually meant r15.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||11/05/2012|
No, the WW goes to R8.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||11/05/2012|
Nope I meant r14.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||11/05/2012|
Well then please explain yourself R20/24.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||11/05/2012|
I can't imagine what the mom is going thru. How do you live with yourself for doing some SO stupid.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||11/05/2012|
R3 will not allow any word to be spoken against any woman. Bashing males is fine however.
She has stated her boundaries. You know what must be done.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||11/05/2012|
They shouldn't even have waited for police.
I don't know why they thought it was best for the police to enter first. Take an offal bucket, ID the alpha and get him/her under control and lure and tranq (if needed) the rest. Then bring in the EMTs.
In fairness, a lot of these workers are young and poorly trained.
He might have already been dead from the fall.
r11, what did you do there?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||11/05/2012|
He was dead within minutes, R28. There was no time to locate a bucket of offal or anything else.
The problem wasn't poorly trained zoo workers, it was the idiot mother who picked him up and stood him on the four-foot railing.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||11/05/2012|
R14 is right.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||11/05/2012|
I didn't mean the workers caused the problem, r29, I meant many are young and inexperienced, with minimal training. That's been an issue in the past with zoos generally.
If he was definitely dead from the fall, I'm sorry they shot the one animal they did--he could've been tranqed.
I hope the zoo had warning signs up the ying so they won't be sued.
Of course, people should know better, but legally that's why they have warning signs not to operate a hair dryer in the bathtub.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||11/05/2012|
Why do wwe need DOGS in a zoo? Really we have enough dogs on the streets.
Why do they paint them? I suppose if they run out of zebras or leopards they can paint the dogs with stripes and spots and save the zoo some money.
If there was a group of family members I wonder if they were tempted to jump in to grab the child and try to fend off the dogs until help arrived. It seemed to have arrived in minutes. I realize these are wild animals but would they have been more differential to a united group of larger humans behaving aggressively toward them?
Sad. Sad and stupid.
Maybe they need plexiglass at a child's level so they can see and above the railings since adults can't be trusted to behave safely. I'd probably be too scared to let my child out on the observation deck for fear one would jump up. I don't like wild animals. I barely like hissing cats.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||11/05/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 33||11/05/2012|
"Pet them, Devon! Pet the puppies!"
|by Anonymous||reply 34||11/05/2012|
[quote]He was dead within minutes, [R28]. There was no time to locate a bucket of offal or anything else.
At that point, it sounds like a bucket of offal would have been redundant.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||11/05/2012|
He did not die from the fall according to the ME.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||11/05/2012|
Another son accidentally killed by his mother.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||11/05/2012|
[quote]Why do wwe need DOGS in a zoo? Really we have enough dogs on the streets. Why do they paint them? I suppose if they run out of zebras or leopards they can paint the dogs with stripes and spots and save the zoo some money.
[quote]Sad. Sad and stupid.
Yes, you are [R32]. Please learn to read or at least Google the species. Or perhaps you're trolling.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||11/05/2012|
[quote]I realize these are wild animals but would they have been more differential to a united group
|by Anonymous||reply 39||11/05/2012|
No, he didn't die from the fall. He was mauled to death within minutes of landing.
I haven't read anything about his mother diving in after him, either.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||11/05/2012|
Here's a clip showing similar situation, but with a much happier ending. Every time I see this, I can't help but be deeply moved by the actions of the large male alpha gorilla.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||11/05/2012|
[quote]The problem wasn't poorly trained zoo workers, it was the idiot mother who picked him up and stood him on the four-foot railing.
What on earth was the mother thinking? My heart goes out to the poor child.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||11/05/2012|
What was on his iPod?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||11/05/2012|
I'll go first: Three Dog Night - Mama Told Me Not to Come
|by Anonymous||reply 44||11/05/2012|
LOL @ R44.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||11/05/2012|
LOL, R38. Learn to read a joke when you see one.
You mean they don't atually paint the dogs? Well, blimey, I sure need to get out more and do some book learning.
My point about the group of adult humans was that the dogs may have backed off and viewed them as too large a foe. Haven't you ever read that size makes a difference to some attacking animals? They might be willing to attack a small 2 year old but maybe not a group of large humans. And an adult human stands a better chance of fending off the few dogs that didn't back off.
I guess we need to take guns with us to the zoo now.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||11/05/2012|
I'm worried about the human race, R46.
About half of the posts on this very thread are riddled with errors in reading comprehension and humor judgment.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||11/05/2012|
R14 is NOT awful. The stupidity of that mother is what's awful. I hope if she is ill-advised enough to sue that she doesn't get a dime.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||11/05/2012|
r3 is the worst kind of frau.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||11/05/2012|
"I haven't read anything about his mother diving in after him, either"
She was on her cellphone.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||11/05/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 51||11/05/2012|
[quote]Another son accidentally killed by his mother.
The bacon wrapped around his wrists and ankles was a mere coincidence.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||11/05/2012|
Ha @ R52 I'm with you on that!!! I often wonder just how "accidental" some of these "accidents" involving children really are.
Will be interesting to see what gets dug up about the parents in the forthcoming weeks... I have a feeling this isn't the end of the story.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||11/05/2012|
Did you even see the video? The toddler fell 14 feet, which killed him on impact. Falling 14 feet can kill you.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||11/05/2012|
did the dogs eat him whole?
|by Anonymous||reply 55||11/05/2012|
It can, R54, but unfortunately it didn't.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||11/05/2012|
Pittsburgh Zoo president and CEO Barbara Baker will played by Melissa Leo in the Made for TV Movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||11/05/2012|
@ R54 the boy did not die from the fall, he hemorrhaged from the wounds that the dogs inflicted. This is per the ME.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||11/05/2012|
R28 we're talking about a breed of dogs that pretty much rule the African plains and are known to scare lions away from a a fresh kill, not a rowdy pack of pitbulls here.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||11/05/2012|
There was a similar situation as the one in R41's linked video at the Brookfield Zoo in the '90s. A boy fell in and was unconcious. A female gorilla behaved very similarly and carried the child to a door keepers came through.
No, the mother didn't place him up on the railing. He ran ahead of her a climbed up it.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||11/05/2012|
What a dumb bitch. Way to put your kid on the railing.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||11/05/2012|
[quote] Officials say the child's mother had placed the boy on a wooden rail above the exhibit so he could get a better look at the animals.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||11/05/2012|
Maybe the kid was growing up a gayelle and it was the only way to end his suffering.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||11/05/2012|
What is the point of R62?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||11/05/2012|
R64, that was in response to:
[quote] No, the mother didn't place him up on the railing. He ran ahead of her a climbed up it.
...which isn't true.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||11/05/2012|
We told you we wuz hardcore.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||11/05/2012|
Of course it isn't true. The railing was 11 feet up. How could the 2y/o boy possibly scale something that high?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||11/05/2012|
R65, I think that was referring to the gorilla incident not to the prancing, I mean painted, dogs.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||11/05/2012|
Don't be mean to me...
But I feel sorry for the stupid mother. Yep it was absolutely stupid, but she had to witness her child being ripped up by dogs while he is screaming in pain. She's paid in full for the stupidity, and then some.
Until she sues, I will just hope she and anybody who had to witness this will recover somehow.... .. how?, who knows.
r41, thanks for the clip. It did end well for that child.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||11/05/2012|
Yes, R68. It was about the Brookfield Zoo incident described in the same post. From the link:
[quote]Ms. Katzen, one of the spokeswomen at the zoo, said she believed that the boy had run ahead of his mother during their visit there but that she did not know how he had been able to get over a railing, three or four feet high, that separates the exhibit from visitors.
I didn't notice the part about the low railing. Jeez.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||11/05/2012|
She will sue and she will win. That's just how the system works. You act stupid. Someone dies. You blame others. You win.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||11/05/2012|
Oh, Christ! I'm having some weird type of flashback!
|by Anonymous||reply 72||11/05/2012|
See - it's not just dingoes that eat babies!
|by Anonymous||reply 73||11/05/2012|
God-DAMNIT! Why didn't I just bring Caylee to a ZOO? We have zoos in Orlando! I could have brought her to a zoo, propped her up on a fence--WHOOPSIE!--all done! But nooooo! I had to create the imaginary babysitter! What the fuck was I THINKING? Eh--I got off anyway. I'll just save this little gem of an idea for next time. And oh. . .there WILL be a "next time". . .
|by Anonymous||reply 74||11/05/2012|
Picture of the little boy. Cute.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||11/05/2012|
[quote] "As a mom, I can’t imagine this tragedy. Your heart stops when your kid skins their knee . . .
Oh get real. Your heart stops for a skinned knee? But I bet you'd lift him up on a railing to see the killer dogs.
[quote] This is not the first lapse in security related to the dogs
Not sure this is a security lapse. It is a brain lapse that's for sure.
Thanks, R70, for the clarification. Nonetheless it said the mother put the child on the railing. In any event why would you let a 2 year old run around like that in a zoo and with the possibility of them climbing anything and running up and sticking their fingers where they shouldn't go? A 2 year old did not climb over a 3 or 4 foot railing unless it was helped up by something or someone.
I have been wary of zoos where they have "natural roaming areas" ever since that tiger or lion got out at the west coast zoo. I don't give a damn about their freedom. I don't want to be lunch for some wild animal.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||11/05/2012|
The dogs mauled him? Poor things must've been half starved.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||11/05/2012|
Did YOU read the story R54?l He fell into a safety net and then bounced out of it. He did not fall 14 feet to the ground.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||11/05/2012|
the medical examiner determined he was alive. the fall didnt kill him.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||11/05/2012|
Honestly, how do you all know she didn't push him over? I say investigate just to make sure it was an accident born out of stupidity and not a murder!
|by Anonymous||reply 80||11/06/2012|
I bet the dingo ate her baby NOT
|by Anonymous||reply 81||11/06/2012|
[quote]Thanks, [R70], for the clarification. Nonetheless it said the mother put the child on the railing.
THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT STORIES ON THIS THREAD. The Brooklyn kid ran ahead of mom and climbed over the fence. The Pittsburgh kid was put on the railing by idiot mama. Is it really that difficult to follow? Sheesh.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||11/06/2012|
Whoo! Someone needs some Activia!
|by Anonymous||reply 83||11/06/2012|
I'm just curious to know what were people's reading comprehension score on the verbal part of the SAT? I'm just curious because with posts like these...
|by Anonymous||reply 84||11/06/2012|
[quote]But I feel sorry for the stupid mother. Yep it was absolutely stupid, but she had to witness her child being ripped up by dogs while he is screaming in pain. She's paid in full for the stupidity, and then some.
Babysitter does something stupid that ends up killing child = Prosecution.
Parent does something stupid that ends up killing child = "She's paid in full."
Same thing happens whenever a parent leaves a baby in the back seat to fry.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||11/06/2012|
"It could have happened to anybody!"
Friends of Elizabeth Derkosh, the mother of the 2-year-old boy who died after falling into the African Painted Dog exhibit at the Pittsburgh Zoo & PPG Aquarium, say they want people to have more compassion regarding what happened at the zoo on Sunday.
Teri Kemp says she’s worked with Derkosh for the past six years, and found out Monday morning that it was Derkosh’s son, Maddox, who was the victim.
“She was due to come into work and she didn’t come in,” said Kemp. “It was a few minutes past and then they called us in the office and I could tell by our bosses’ faces that something extremely bad is going on.”
Kemp says Derkosh is a fantastic mother who lived for her son.
She says Maddox was the only child in the Derkosh home.
“Everything was about him,” Kemp said. “That was her life.”
She says she’s frustrated because people are judging a person they know nothing about.
“Understand that this could have happened to anybody,” Kemp added. “This is not negligence at all.”
In Whitehall on Monday where the Derkosh’s live, family said they didn’t want to say anything about the tragedy. But at the front door, a small toy truck sits next to two bouquets of flowers.
“She adored him,” Kemp said. “She just always talked about him, and we just all have kids. We all are in our 30’s at work, we all would relate to each other.”
|by Anonymous||reply 86||11/06/2012|
That should be Brookfield kid not Brooklyn.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||11/06/2012|
Intent matters, R85.
Stabbin' Nanny didn't "do something stupid" that, oops, killed the kids. She murdered them in cold blood.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||11/06/2012|
[quote]Babysitter does something stupid that ends up killing child = Prosecution
Did I just read that premeditated homicide is "something stupid?"
|by Anonymous||reply 89||11/06/2012|
Are we sure the mother whose child was killed by wild dogs didn't give him a tiny little push to send him on his way? It's hard to fathom such stupidity on her part if there's no motive involved.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||11/06/2012|
Yes, we are sure, R90.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||11/06/2012|
Okay. I guess you were there and I wasn't, R91.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||11/06/2012|
This sounds vaguely like the plot for a Lady Gaga video.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||11/06/2012|
Umm...Judge Judy at r88, intent is a major factor, but not the only one.
Manslaughter or criminal negligence causing death are two charges that weigh the catastrophic outcome and the intent.
I agree the poster you responded to is being obtuse (deliberately, I think), but the mother's actions are not clearly non-actionable.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||11/06/2012|
It wasn't legitimate mauling.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||11/06/2012|
R15: I normally write the Patsy Ramsey posts -- and get pissed off when people impersonate, poorly. This is the first time I've thought, "I wish I'd written that!"
|by Anonymous||reply 96||11/06/2012|
Well R96, that means I love you, and now I get to love R15 too.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||11/07/2012|
I'm really annoyed at the dumb asses that feel sorry for the stupid ass mother.
You can bet that the wheels are already in motion for divorce papers from Jason. He's HOT as hell. What a waste settling for that stupid ho.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||11/10/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 99||11/10/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 100||11/10/2012|
Because, you know, stupid fathers never harm their children, never do anything wrong, never neglect them, never think the kid is another man's child and resent the shit out of the poor thing, never beat the living shit out of sons who look just a tad too feminine and might be gay, or just outright murder them because they're not convenient anymore and the "man" needs to move on to another more receptive vagina.
You know what? Nine times out of ten, men never bother to look after their offspring, so it's pretty much the case that they don't give a shit for them, right?
I mean, whatever warped logic DL is following, the conclusion must be that men who impregnate women don't care about their offspring enough to look after them, so they leave them to their resentful mates who push them into wild dog pits in public view. So, there! Hah!
|by Anonymous||reply 101||11/10/2012|
So what are you saying, R101? That the mother is part male as she didn't watch her kid AT ALL? What kind of numb nut would stand her kid at the top of a zoo railing (nevermind the posted sign that said, "No Climbing") and let go of him? I feel sorry for the family and especially the father but not for that stupid bitch.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||11/11/2012|