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Would you call someone like Vicki Lawrence a big star?

Certainly not a superstar, but she was on a couple of hit TV shows and had a hit record. I wouldn't stand up from my table in a restaurant to see her if someone told me she was sitting across the room, however.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10612/04/2012

Who?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 110/26/2012

I don't think that I would call Vicki Lawrence a big star, but she is certainly very well known to people to listened to pop music in the 1970s and to people who watched The Carol Burnett Show.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 210/26/2012

[quote] I wouldn't stand up from my table in a restaurant to see her if someone told me she was sitting across the room, however

OP - No one with good manners would stand up, for anyone.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 310/26/2012

Two words. Thelma Harper. Anyone under 25 doesn't deserve to know who she is.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 410/26/2012

[quote]she is certainly very well known to people to listened to pop music in the 1970s and to people who watched The Carol Burnett Show.

And Hannah Montana fans!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 510/26/2012

I wouldn't ....

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 610/26/2012

I'd call her someone I'd like to fuck in the ass.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 810/27/2012

Perhaps calling her a 'big star' in 2012 doesn't apply any longer.

But calling her a well-known celebrity or more precisely 'a well-known television star' of the 1970s-1980s would certainly apply.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 910/27/2012

What does it take to impress you people? I was on Battle of the Network Stars, for fuck's sake!!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1010/27/2012

I tried Googling "Vicki Lawrence" and I got 1,000,000 hits for "Who the fuck is that?"

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1210/27/2012

R11. Vicki Lawrence is not a has-been. A has-been is someone who was sort of a big deal at one time and is now trying to steal the spotlight again. That is not Vicki Lawrence.

Plus, there are millions of people of a certain age in all types of professions--notably in the entertainment business in this case--who are not the big names that they once were in their 20s-30s-40s.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1310/27/2012

The Carol Burnett Show and Mama's Family made her a television icon, and since the latter has been in syndication for decades, I'd say she's more well known than people realize. Mama's Family was one of those shows that everyone, regardless of race or class, enjoyed immensely (similar to All In the Family). The Southern humor of that show reminded me of some of the great works from Tennessee Williams and Flannery O'Connor. It holds up very well.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1410/27/2012

with due respect to Julia Sugarbaker, THIS is the night that the lights went out in Georgia.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1510/27/2012

Vicki was the grandmother in 'Hannah Montana.' Never knew that.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1610/27/2012

[quote]Mama's Family was one of those shows that everyone, regardless of race or class, enjoyed immensely (similar to All In the Family). The Southern humor of that show reminded me of some of the great works from Tennessee Williams and Flannery O'Connor.

"Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" ... "A Good Man is Hard to Find" ... "Mama Goes Hawaiian." Yes, I can see it.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1710/27/2012

Don't forget 'Ships in the Night'!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1810/27/2012

R17, I know that was your cute attempt at being a snarky cunt, but you missed my point. Of course Williams and O'Connor works were more Gothic and tragic than a weekly sitcom, but the sketches of Southern working class community and their cultural absurdities is definitely similar to the kind you find in Mama's Family.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 1910/27/2012

R1, you could have easily signed yourself "35 year old".

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2010/27/2012

The night the lights went out in Georgia will live on as the greatest song of the 20th Century!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2110/27/2012

Well, she wasn't a looker. If she had been, I suspect her music career would have been more successful and the youngsters might remember her today. Instead, she was a comic actress thanks to being taken under Carol Burnett's wing. She went on to work under heavy make up and a grey wig in a sitcom that grated on people's nerves.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2210/27/2012

Her Mamma is one of the funniest turns in comedy.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2310/27/2012

No, I would call her a second banana. But not as big of a second banana as Vivian Vance.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2410/27/2012

A step below Vivian Vance but a step above Kaye Ballard who never got that one part that would have made her more than a familiar name.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2510/27/2012

"Mama's Family" is a true guilty pleasure for me. But I am not embarrassed to say that I bought dvds of the entire series and enjoy them immensely.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2610/27/2012

r25

Fuck you, Dolores!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2710/27/2012

R22 - it's well known Vicki didn't wear makeup as Mama - all she did was put on the grey wig and the character appeared. Go back and watch any of the Carol Burnett Show reunions and they always mention it.

Speaking of: Vicki as Mama will be the celebrity guest judge on this Monday's RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars. Don't miss it!

AND Vicki will be bringing her one-woman Vicki/Mama Show to the NYC area FOR THE FIRST TIME on November 3 in Rahway, NJ (where the prison is!). See you then and there!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2810/27/2012

I don't think so

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 2910/27/2012

[quote] I was on Battle of the Network Stars, for fuck's sake!!

And in countless game shows as the guest STAR or host STAR!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3010/27/2012

She also had a successful daytime talk show and hosted "Win, Lose or Draw."

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3110/27/2012

I'd call her a bitter d-list has-been. Remember when she attacked that homeless radio announcer who was being given a second chance? She whined that she was a decent upstanding citizen, people should be helping her get work, not homeless "trash" who she considers worthless. Showed her repellent Republican streak there too with her insensitivity about the homeless.

The Carol Burnett show is legendary, but she was only a supporting player on it. And her recording career was a joke, a one-hit-wonder, and it was obvious people liked the song itself, not her weak, nondescript vocal. It was originally written for Cher who would've sung it much better.

Mama's Family was a hit in syndication, but not a big hit by network standards. It's either very cheesy or campy depending how you view it, but many people just consider it one of the worst sitcoms ever. If they remember it at all. It probably hurts her reputation more than anything.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3210/27/2012

[quote]I bought dvds of the entire series

I'd be interested in the two episodes where Bubba was shirtless.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3310/27/2012

I have all the episodes too (on bootleg). Alan Kayser was such a stud muffin as Bubba.

[quote]She went on to work under heavy make up and a grey wig in a sitcom that grated on people's nerves

No make-up, just a wig and padding. And, as for the "grating", speak for yourself.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3410/27/2012

[quote]I'd be interested in the two episodes where Bubba was shirtless.

And in the rolled-waist sweat pants.

Bubba bulge forever!!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3510/27/2012

Scroll to the 3:23 mark of this video and start jackin'!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3610/27/2012

[quote]many people just consider it one of the worst sitcoms ever. If they remember it at all

Aw, Eunice, why don't you SHUDDUP?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3710/28/2012

"The Southern humor of that show reminded me of some of the great works from Tennessee Williams and Flannery O'Connor."

The Williams & O'Connor estates will be in touch regarding your slanderous statement.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3810/28/2012

Didn't a REAL country singer - I think REBA - do a remake/cover of "The Night the Lights Went Out..." ?

Did it top the charts too?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 3910/28/2012

I loved Mama's Family starting with Season 2 when it Bubba and Iola came on.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4010/28/2012

tanya tucker sang the Georgia song

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4110/28/2012

I think she is tremendous.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4210/28/2012

This is the Vicki clip I dig the most.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4310/28/2012

I remember watching her talk show (the one called "Vicki!" which she wasn't even hosting for the longest time) and she had a psychic on. This was right after she'd announced she was going to end the show. I remember the psychic saying Vicki had something very big coming up in her career in the next year and not to worry. Well...Vicki hasn't been seen or heard from since.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4410/28/2012

Actually R44 Fox TV hired Vicki to host another version of her talk show to go opposite Live with Regis at 9AM.

She lasted one week before getting cancelled. She moved from LA to NYC to host the show, and barely got unpacked before Fox cancelled the show!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4510/28/2012

Vicki is a television icon. Not a has been. Stick to your reality shows if you're that clueless about the history of television.

MAMA'S FAMILY was a giant hit in syndication. (The NBC version even drew in respectable ratings). The show only ended because Vicki didn't want to do another year, but the ratings were good enough to have gone on for a couple of more seasons.

Furthermore, she's touring the country with her one woman show which is drawing sold out audiences.

Broadway would be wise to put her in a theater for a week or two.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4610/28/2012

That one is good R43 but I'm partial to this one-

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4710/28/2012

Oh right r46, "respectable" is certainly an accurate way to describe the show's NBC ratings that got it cancelled after 35 episodes. Bad taste and delusional fantasies seem to go hand-in-hand with Mama's Family die-hards.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4810/28/2012

No.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 4910/28/2012

[quote]A has-been is someone who was sort of a big deal at one time and is now trying to steal the spotlight again. That is not Vicki Lawrence.

Wrong. What dictionary are you using? A has-been is someone who was a biggish star in the past but no longer is. That describes VL perfectly.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5010/28/2012

She's been on a few talk shows lately pitching the Carol Burnett Show DVDs (she must be getting a piece of the money) and she seems bitter and more than a little bit nasty.

She should be grateful for her success...she ain't all that.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5110/28/2012

Didn't she have a son do porn in the 90's?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5210/28/2012

I never watched Mama's Family. Seriously I have NEVER been that bored.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5310/28/2012

[quote]Broadway would be wise to put her in a theater for a week or two.

Oh, hon, don't take up valuable Broadway space with THAT. Just put her in the lobby of the Milford Plaza wearing her Mama wig and charge the Midwestern tourists $20 to gawk at her.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5410/28/2012

As R28 noted:

Rahway, New Jersey is the closest Vicki will evet get to Broadway.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5510/28/2012

J'adore Mlle Lawrence!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5610/28/2012

There is NO ONE like Vicki Lawrence.

THREAD CLOSED.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5710/28/2012

Why do we always have to talk about Vicki Lawrence whenever there is a big storm?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5810/28/2012

"baby baby don't you cry anymore, mama's gonna make it all better like before, gonna wipe away your tears, wash away the pain, mama's gonna make it all better again."

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 5910/28/2012

I didn't even know she had a FIRST album, let alone a second...

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6010/28/2012

"Does he hold you 'til you're sleeping softly every night? does he wake you with a kiss to share the morning light? And when he loves you does he close his eyes, reach for you each time you rise, has he told you yet he'll never set you free? He did with me." "He Did With Me" from the "Lights" album.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6110/28/2012

her records are really quite fun and she has a good singing voice, wish she'd do a concert of the songs she recorded in the 70s, some of which aren't available on cd or download.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6210/28/2012

We have a place for her since the Palace closed down.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6310/29/2012

Don't forget when she was on Laverne and Shirley LOL.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6410/29/2012

or Roseanne....

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6510/29/2012

Mama's Family was one of the most ghetto shows ever. How long did it last and what were the ratings

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6610/29/2012

My mom always identified with poor Eunice as she had a brother like Vint, a sister like Betty White's "Ellen" and my grandmother could be a bit like Mother Harper.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6710/29/2012

Mama's Family might have been good if it had an actual budget. Looks like Vicki and the cast had to make the scenery on their days off.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6810/29/2012

True, R68 - Vicki once griped publicly about how ridiculously modest her residual checks from Mama's Family were.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 6910/29/2012

It was a hit in syndication, where it was a big fish in a little pond. The original syndicated airings were on Sunday afternoons. It must've done ok with minimal competition, but advertisers weren't going to pay much for that time-slot. That's why it looked so cheap. It couldn't compete in the big pond on NBC, a little fish that got gobbled up after 35 episodes.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7010/29/2012

When it went into syndication, the set was completely different. The house was smaller and lit much brighter. It always bothered me, though, how whenever they were out on the porch, you could hear the hollowness of the stage floor whenever they walked. That outside set was painfully fake looking, down to the astroturf grass.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7110/29/2012

Loved the Carol Burnett Show "Family" sketches, but by the time it hit syndication, "Mama's Family" had devolved into silly, corny drek.

And the bitter, mean-spirited, lazy Bible Belt battle Mama of the Burnett show didn't even sound like the peppy, sweet, high-energy Mama of the syndicated show. They were really two different characters.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7210/29/2012

R72, not only did Mama change drastically when the show hit syndication, but so did Naomi and Vint. Vint went from being a chauvanistic jerk in the original run to a bumbling, immature doofus in syndication, and Naomi went from being a deep-voiced sassy vixen to a high-pitch-voiced bubble head. Thelma did retain some of her meanness, even though she was 10 times nicer in the syndicated run than in the original run.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7310/29/2012

Whatever happened to her kids? When she had her talk show she used to brag about the daughter Courtney who was at Stanford and her son Garret who came out in tiny swim trunks and painted gold during an Oscars segment.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7410/29/2012

I love "Mama's Family." In all incarnations.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7510/30/2012

What ever happened to Vint's kids? They were the most annoying cast members of any tv show ever.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7610/30/2012

I would call Vicki Lawrence a big star.

Then again, I would call the second Mrs. Kravitz, Sandra Gould, a big star so I'm easy.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7710/31/2012

"The Family" sketches are based on Carol's real family. Thelma is based Carol's real grandmother, and Eunice is based on Carol's real mother.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7810/31/2012

"Sensual Man" is another good Vicki song, also "Cameo."

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 7910/31/2012

Didn't she do one called 'The Other Woman' too? About getting back her cheating husband?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8010/31/2012

She's a known celebrity. As opposed to those like Charo, Joey Heatherton, John Davidson and Mya Hee who were celebrities but no one knew exactly why

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8111/02/2012

Yes, "The Other Woman" from her 2nd or third album. Those are EXTREMELY rare and expensive. Her third was called "New Birth" I believe. The "Night" cd has three bonus cuts from 2nd album.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8211/05/2012

Another creepy story song she did, also by Gloria Sklerov, is "Hollywood 7" - dramatic and sleazy. YouTube has the clip of her singing it on the Burnett show. Hoopy!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8311/05/2012

And yet... Charo is a classically trained guitarist (and excellent), Joey Heatherton appeared on Broadway and in a number of films, and Davidson was a leadin man with a fine voice who continue to act onstage, currently off-Broadway in The Fantastiks.

Yes, your argument is a SOLID one.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8411/05/2012

Charo never did anything but shake her ass. She may be a trained classic guitarist, but no one knows her for that.

I know six people that were in Broadway shows. Not one of them is known. You don't have to be famous to be in one. And yes, star in one. Especially in the 60s when Broadway was a dime a dozen.

Good grief you're trying to make Broadway out to be big anymore? The only reason it exists is so that Bernadette Peters can have a job.

The argument IS rock solid.

If you're going to try to refute someone use a good example, not a half assed argument. Or at least try using your WHOLE ASS.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8511/06/2012

Shake you're groove thing

Shake you're groove thing yeah yeah yeah

Show me how it's done....

Shake you're groove thing

Shake you're groove thing

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8611/06/2012

What the hell is a groove thing.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8711/06/2012

No

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8811/06/2012

[quote]The bitter, mean-spirited, lazy Bible Belt battle axe Mama of the Burnett show didn't even sound like the peppy, sweet, high-energy Mama of the syndicated show. They were really two different characters.

Mama's voice even changed with Vicki's interpretation of her. The lovable grump from the syndicated show sounded high-pitched and nasal, whereas the hateful old cow of the Carol Burnett skits and the NBC version sounded lower and huskier.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 8911/06/2012

As compared to Susan Olsen, yes.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9011/06/2012

Ships in the night, eyes that are flashin', you're a ship in the night...and nobody's taking my man." -sic, loved this song from her second album.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9111/08/2012

Terms like "star" or "superstar" are bandied about like potato chips. Today you can be in one CGI filled movie and be known as a "superstar" or act in a humorless network comedy and be declared a "Star". There is no training or paying of dues anymore. Ms. Lawrence is an actress. She worked consistently in one form of show business or another for over 30 yrs. She has paid her dues sometimes as a lead, sometimes as second banana and sometimes as a guest on another show. She is not a star but a celebrity who works at her craft and has done so for many years.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9211/09/2012

no, but I'd call her a chinless one.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9311/09/2012

My answer was a resounding YES, but that was when I thought the post read "Would you call someone like Vicki Lawrence a pig star?".

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9411/09/2012

[quote] the sketches of Southern working class community and their cultural absurdities is definitely similar to the kind you find in Mama's Family.

And "Moose Murders" is definitely similar to that other comedy, "As You Like It."

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9511/09/2012

She was just a guest judge on Rupaul's Drag Race All Stars, which surprised me since she's supposed to be such a big Republican. Must be gay-friendly and/or really needs what little money RuPaul pays.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9611/09/2012

Didn't mean to leave that link in there but anyway that is Eric Brown who played Vint Jr. in the early years of Mama's Family.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9711/09/2012

Whis is this thread still fucking here!!!! GET.THE.FUCK.OFF.THE.INTERNET!!!

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9811/09/2012

Vicki Lawrence isn't a star, she's a MEGA-STAR.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 9911/09/2012

I loved her talk show!

Wouldn't it be great if her and Bonnie Franklin did a sitcom together?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10011/09/2012

Bonnie Franklin ought to do a talk show called FRANKLY, BONNIE.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10111/09/2012

I'd call Bonnie Franklin's talk show BONNIE'S WORLD.

Maybe Gale Gordon could be her acerbic yet loveable sidekick?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10211/09/2012

She was until the lights went out in Georgia.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10311/09/2012

[quote] She was until the lights went out in Georgia

But if the lights went out, wouldn't that have made her a bigger star?!?

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10411/10/2012

Dolly rocks

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10511/11/2012

Dolly does not rock, in fact I would say her voice is twee and weak. I like Vicki Lawrence's recorded work better than the overrated Parton.

by The very thin ghost of Joyce Haberreply 10612/04/2012
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