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The new season of Upstairs-Downstairs is horrible!

I could not believe how bad the first episode of the new season on PBS was. First, they killed off Eileen Atkins in the opening scene of of the show and then spent 20 minutes killing her monkey in graphic detail. I know the producer and writer Heidi Thomas hated Atkins and wanted her off the series. The music was unbelievably bad and sappy - TURN IT OFF and the plot line jumped all over the place and was completely unbelievable. The attempts at humor were embarrassing. I can see why the BBC cancelled this disaster and PBS was reluctant to broadcast it.

Poor Jean Marsh, poor Eileen Atkins - you two were raped by Heidi Thomas! Why did Thomas ever want to make this series if she hated the original so much?

by Anonymousreply 13202/15/2013

Aw, this makes me sad. I really enjoyed the three episodes they aired last Sunday (the "new" season one) and have been looking forward to this new "season two". Will watch it later this week but disappointed that they kill off Maude and Monkey. Is Heidi Thomas the one who also show runs that OTHER import on PBS, "Call the Midwife"? Talk about awful!

Call the Abortionist!

by Anonymousreply 110/08/2012

You called?

by Anonymousreply 210/08/2012


by Anonymousreply 310/08/2012

Not the monkey!

by Anonymousreply 410/08/2012

I only watched 10 minutes and thought, "Who wrote this shit?"

by Anonymousreply 510/08/2012

OP is right. The show was weirdly bad. Poorly acted--Ed Stoppard is not a great leading man--and poorly directed. How could they put so much time and energy into a production and then forget to have a script? It felt as though the actors were ad libbing. So bad. So bad. So very bad.

by Anonymousreply 610/08/2012

If the footman had taken off his shirt a few times all would have been forgiven.

by Anonymousreply 710/08/2012

Yes the footman needs to get naked. Preferably with the chauffeur.

by Anonymousreply 810/08/2012

It's wrong; it's shockingly wrong!

by Anonymousreply 910/08/2012

I called the police because a crime was committed! This show is criminal!

by Anonymousreply 1010/08/2012

I'm going to set my boomerang toomerang zoomerang loose on tne whe cast and writing staff. It's a terrible waste of Hari Kumar.

by Anonymousreply 1110/08/2012

Nobody stands out in the Downstairs cast. I can't tell the kitchen wenches apart. The upstairs cast aren't much better. They just have more intelligible accents.

by Anonymousreply 1210/08/2012

Eee gad. Saw that ghastly thing on the box and found myself thinking, quite rightly, "There but for the grace of God goes Penelope Wilton!"

by Anonymousreply 1310/08/2012

Bunch of boring ass white people.

by Anonymousreply 1410/08/2012

Maybe Eileen could come back as a Zombie. That would liven things up.

by Anonymousreply 1510/09/2012

Just watch the rip-off "Downton Abbey" OP.

by Anonymousreply 1610/09/2012

Brilliant idea to kill a pet in the season debut of a television show broadcast to public tv audiences in the US

by Anonymousreply 1710/09/2012

As Eileen created the show (with Jean Marsh) she could hardly be killed off unless she wanted to leave - its been reported here in the UK that she did not want to return to the last 6 episodes, after the initial 3 she did, as by then Downton Abbey had clearly won the ratings war and also critically.

I didnt bother watching the later episodes either, not many did here. It just wasnt a patch on the original and Eileen and Jean knew it.

by Anonymousreply 1810/09/2012

Did you think the (known bisexual) Duke of Kent was looking to hit on the master of the house in that scene with the martinis? Do we think they were doing it?

by Anonymousreply 1910/09/2012

Well, I for one, enjoyed the Season 2 debut.

And I'm also loving Call the Midwife.

I find both shows (in even a single eisode) to be more plot driven than an entire season of the lugubrious Downton Abbey which doesn't seem to be about anything any more.

Thank you, Heidi Thomas.

by Anonymousreply 2010/09/2012

r19 I couldn't get what the intended innuendo was about in that scene with the Duke of Kent....partly because of the low volume and posh accents.

by Anonymousreply 2110/09/2012

The Duke of Kent had an affair with Noel Coward, some say he wasn't bi - totally gay. His brother, the King, was said to be totally unable to consummate his marriage to Elizabeth and both girls were conceived artificially.

by Anonymousreply 2210/09/2012

The series gets better, I have read online, as the lesbian plot line progresses with the Aunt. Still, I would have to say the first episode was absolutely dreadful. I was waiting to hear the butler screech "Kwill the monkey, kwill the monkey!" like Elmer Fudd, as they stood over the dead body.

It looked like Heidi Thomas was obsessed with torturing the poor creature. I have read she hated that monkey and hated him being in her script, her storyline, her 'epic' tale. She hated the monkey's fans and as well as Eileen Atkins's and killing off the monkey and Atkins was her revenge on them.

by Anonymousreply 2310/09/2012

In the original script Maude was bitten by the monkey and died in agony from an infection as a result of the bite. She was to be filmed without make-up and wig, screaming in agony as she died. The Indian servant then would go and strangle the monkey as he screeched and struggled to escape. The BBC vetoed this and Thomas had to rewrite it.

by Anonymousreply 2410/09/2012

Lark Rise to Candleford was cancelled as well. That series was really worn out, but it's too bad they didn't get to finish off the story lines in a final season.

Heidi Thomas has done good work in the past - For example Ballet Shoes and Lilies, but this show is bad.

by Anonymousreply 2510/09/2012

How are they explaining the Indian's presence in the house if Maude is dead? What function does he now serve in the household?

For that matter, what function did he serve when she was alive? Were we to assume he was Maude's lover? Ugh, did that actually go over my head last year?!?

by Anonymousreply 2610/09/2012

They must have had a contract with Malik (he plays the Indian servant) that couldn't be broken after they dumped Maude for standing up to Heidi Thomas. Atkins left cause she wouldn't stand for Thomas's bullshit and prima donna attitude. Thomas wrecked the series and its too bad because millions of people were looking forward to it and had high hopes for it. It's obvious Thomas didn't care about the original series and just used the public's interest in it to sell her own vanity project. Upstairs Downstairs was exploited by somebody who just looked at it as a marketing concept that could be used to land funding money for her own objectives.

by Anonymousreply 2710/09/2012

I want Mr. Amanjit Singh and Johnny the footman in me, quite deeply at both ends.

by Anonymousreply 2810/09/2012


Oh dear.

by Anonymousreply 2910/09/2012

Aside from the whole monkey business, I enjoyed the episode - the lead-up to WWII, etc.

I like Ed Stoppard. Is he gay?

Love Anne Reid as the cook, and starting to like Keeley Hawes. Like the new maid.

It's very enjoyable, but it doesn't have the sweep and grandeur of Downton Abbey. And now that it doesn't have Eileen Atkins, it doesn't have someone on the level of Maggie Smith, either.

by Anonymousreply 3010/09/2012

Why are you invoking the Virgin Mary?

by Anonymousreply 3110/09/2012

Atkins said she left because she didn't like the way her character was being used in the new season. If Alex Kingston is roughly doing the material that was to be Atkins', it's not surprising.

by Anonymousreply 3210/09/2012

Alex Kingston's character virtually hasn't done anything yet in the new season except clean up Maude's things and demand vegetarian meals.

Don't be so judgmental r32!

by Anonymousreply 3310/09/2012

I downloaded and watched the rest of the new season.


It suffers terribly without Atkins and the whole thing is off somehow.

There's a gay kiss between a friend of the Duke of Kent's and one of the staff. It's followed by the staff member completely freaking out about it and having a homophobic fit.

Overall I did not enjoy this series and it's nothing on the original.

by Anonymousreply 3410/09/2012

Who gets the homo kiss? Hopefully the footman or the chauffeur.

Mr. Pritchard seems like he's closeted.

by Anonymousreply 3510/09/2012

Spoiler Alert - if anyone needs one.

The cute footman gets kissed - then freaks out in a homophobic fit.

Pritchard is straight and gets a very unattractive love interest.

by Anonymousreply 3610/09/2012

[quote]There's a gay kiss between a friend of the Duke of Kent's and one of the staff. It's followed by the staff member completely freaking out about it and having a homophobic fit.

Just like the time Rose saw the German baron kissing the footman and ran away screaming.

by Anonymousreply 3710/09/2012

I watched the first series of this last year and thought it was OK, but nothing special. I stumbled across the first episode of the new series the other night and didn't recognize a single person onscreen.

Say what you want about Downton Abbey but at least it has memorable characters.

by Anonymousreply 3810/09/2012

The casting is awful. That butler. Why not cast an umbrella stand? It has as much charisma as he does and would be a bit cheaper.

And truly, Art Malik is just hanging about the place looking like he fell out of a Little Orphan Annie strip. Shouldn't he be made a valet or something?

I'm looking forward to the Blitz, hoping many will be killed and replaced by interesting character actors.

by Anonymousreply 3910/10/2012

I agree, I just don't understand the casting.

The writers stole many of their plot ideas from other movies and series. That story about the butler being a coward during WWI by objecting to combat military service was done in Gosford Park and the butler then was played by Alan Bates.

by Anonymousreply 4010/10/2012

Cor blimey, guvner! The bleedin' sweep be lickin' me shitter!

by Anonymousreply 4110/10/2012

Casting was bad and the stories ludicrous. And let's not over-estimate Eileen Atkins. Her character wasn't that exciting either and her contributions to the first series did not much to make the scripts interesting.

At this point I just hope that someone is courageous enough to pick up the show once more, retool it to something compelling and let us forget this mess. Maybe not right now, since it's cancelled already. But maybe in a couple of years again.

by Anonymousreply 4210/10/2012

Nothing memorable in the new Upstairs-Downstairs. If it was a completely new series with a different name, no one would bother watching.

by Anonymousreply 4310/10/2012

How many of you here assumed the butler's former crime was cottaging?

by Anonymousreply 4410/10/2012

It's also ridiculously PC in a a 21st century way. I find all British drama to be PC in a silly way, like American sitcoms of the 80s. It's really noticeable when they do historical drama.

by Anonymousreply 4510/10/2012

Did the original Upstairs Downstsirs start with yje arrival of Sarah?

by Anonymousreply 4610/10/2012

[quote] American sitcoms of the 80s

I meant the 70s.

by Anonymousreply 4710/10/2012

What is PC about it? I don't get your point r45.

by Anonymousreply 4810/10/2012

If only they had pulled the funding together 15 years ago. So sad.

by Anonymousreply 4910/10/2012

The first episode of the original series (at least the first episode aired in the US, in case it was different from the UK) opens with a wide-eyed Sarah entering the bustling downstairs. Mrs. Bridges, Rose, Hudson, Emily, Frederick, Mr. Pierce and Miss Roberts are all introduced within a few minutes of each other. Everyone is busy bickering, teasing and working. It immediately draws a viewer in. You want to know more about these people.

The revived series opens in a ruin of a place. It's dirty, dark and ominous looking. We learn it is 165 Eaton Place. But why would it look so awful? The Bellamys and their servants left 165 Eaton Place in the summer of 1930. This series opens in January 1936. Why was 165 Eaton Place abandoned? In the previous series it was sold to pay for James's debts. Somebody bought it and then just ran off, leaving it in a shambles?

The upstairs people look like fashion models from a contemporary nostalgic 1930s photo shoot. They are as interesting as paper dolls. The downstairs people are interchangeable (and they are not in the old 165 Eaton Place downstairs). Rose has aged 40 years in less than 6 years. The refurbished 165 Eaton Place is lifeless-looking. Everyone is scowling, except Eileen Atkins (whose character is annoying but she is at least trying to inject some life into the series).

What a shame.

by Anonymousreply 5010/11/2012

Gawd, this show is painful. It's like a documentary about things you don't care about. Lots of pointless name dropping.

by Anonymousreply 5110/15/2012

Since Rose -- er, Jean Marsh -- had her stroke and heart attack, and only made two cameos in the second season, the ratings in Britain tanked, and the BBC declined to make a third season. I'm sure Eileen Atkins's decision to abandon ship for the second season also affected their decision.

Though it was nice to see a very young Jack Kennedy in last week's episode.

by Anonymousreply 5210/21/2012

By all means tune into season 3 of Downtown Abbey starting in January. You can make a drinking game out of the number of times I say prostitute from episode two onward!

by Anonymousreply 5310/21/2012

I am just watching episode five of the second season and I must say that I enjoy it for its mild entertainment value. I am surprised that the show doesn't get much love given that it's dealing with pre WWII with Hitler's political shenanigans that lead to the second world war.

I believe eye candy wise Upstairs Downstairs is a lot better than Downton Abbey. UD is also a lot more homoerotic and has more of a youth appeal (the cute footman, the chauffeur, the young maid, the young looking man of the house and his affair with his wife's trollop of a sister).

I agree that the TV remake is in no way close to the original, but then it's a different time where daily soaps are almost extinct and there doesn't seem to be a big enough market for that kind of stiff and uptight Upstairs Downstairs drama of the 80s.

by Anonymousreply 5410/21/2012

The main couple were too young. They needed to be older to have more troublesome relations around.

by Anonymousreply 5510/21/2012

I like the main couple. I like all the characters, actually, except that Pritchard is an unredeemed pill.

by Anonymousreply 5610/21/2012

I have been watching the new season of Downton and what a difference in quality of the production and the writing!

by Anonymousreply 5710/21/2012

Lesbian love, servants' rights, illegal abortion, all in England on the eve of World War II. My, my.

by Anonymousreply 5810/21/2012

Call me crazy but I'm loving it, certainly as much as Downton Abbey.

Their big mistake was calling it Upstairs, Downstairs.

If it had premiered before DA, I believe it would not be held in such revile.

Besides the storytelling which is so much more complex and detailed than DA (in which WWI seemed to stream by in 3 episodes), the cinematography, set decoration and costuming is absolutely gorgeous.

And call me crazy again, but am I the only one here who is entranced by Call the Midwife?

by Anonymousreply 5910/21/2012

I tried to watch episode 2 and just could not get through it. It is just so silly and pretentious. TOO MUCH is going on and the music is unbearable.

by Anonymousreply 6010/21/2012

An Indian guy with no job and no real reason for being in England, living in the basement of a couple who had confessed to Rose that they couldn't afford a house with a large staff, is saving European Jewry.

by Anonymousreply 6110/21/2012

All these contempo BBC series are dreadful. Plotlines that go nowhere, telegraphed by hamfisted music that spoonfeed the emotions...but why go on? Compared to the original Upstairs, Downstairs, The Forsyte Saga, The First Churchills, etc., all of which were superlatively written and acted, these latter-day shows, in a word, suck. All the fancy cinematography, production values and pretty people can't disguise what is a pitifully hollow enterprise. It's a shame, a real shame.

by Anonymousreply 6210/21/2012

It's not as good as Masterpiece Theater normally is but it's okay. I like the storyline. It just doesn't have that great a script.

I like the husband Hallam. Can't stand the wife. I like the conchy butler and the cook.

by Anonymousreply 6310/21/2012

What's with the obsession with all of these English TV shows? Is everyone clamoring for some good old British rule again?

Anything's better than Romney..

by Anonymousreply 6410/21/2012

[quote]If it had premiered before DA, I believe it would not be held in such revile.

Well, the problem was that the remake was offered to ITV (which aired the original Upstairs/Downstairs) first, but ITV declined and hired Julian Fellows (the creative mind behind Gosford Park) to do Downton Abbey since ITV knew that the Upstairs Downstairs remake will (most likely) air on BBC.

by Anonymousreply 6510/21/2012

R62 I could not have stated my feelings about this series better than you have. As far as I am concerned that's it in a nutshell. Thank you for your posting.

by Anonymousreply 6610/22/2012

It's as if the show is trying to give me a very, very prolonged history lesson on pre-WWIIvEurope, using fashion models and working every historical figure they can think of into the show.

But there are no interesting stories. The original U/D was all about character stories first, historical lessons woven into the fabric of the characters' lives. This show is all about trying to fit random characters into a historical documentary.

by Anonymousreply 6710/22/2012

Parts of this thread read like parody. Prolonged monkey death scene? Vindictive show creator working out her hatred for the leading lady and leading animal actor through her script treatment? The BBC nixing a previous script version for being too out there? An inexplicable, misplaced Indian attendant?

by Anonymousreply 6810/22/2012

If only the show was a parody. It would be fun instead of leaden and preachy. Fascism bad. Socialist democracy good. Racism bad. Multiculturalism good. Killing Jews bad. Rescuing Jews good. Oh, I'm so glad I watched this show or I would never have known that!

It's just that we already went through these kind of overly earnest shows in the US in the 1970s. Room 222, anyone?

by Anonymousreply 6910/22/2012

This show managed to make what would have been a scandal in the 1930s (lesbian love affair of a married woman) boring as hell.

And WTF is with Hari Kumar slamming the kitchen table and forbidding the staff from mentioning anything to do with the scandal? He has no position in the household. He's just the leftover exotic traveling companion to a dead old lady. In the real England of the 1930s, the cook would have said, "Excuse me, but you're an unemployed foreign black man. You don't tell me what to do." Upstairs Downstairs' pretense that the pre-war white servants would totally accept an Indian as their equal or better is a total anachronism. Xenophobia and racism were seen as a white person's right in those days, in the UK as well as the US (although Indians and Pakistanis wouldn't be lynched like the blacks were in the US). Still, they were called black and believed to be inferior savages, no matter how well educated.

Didn't the writers have grandparents or watch Jewel in the Cown?

by Anonymousreply 7010/23/2012

Loved the original series. This is awful. Eileen Atkins and Jean Marsh, with only two appearances in season two, were lucky to get out of this thing. I do know Ms. Marsh departure was due to health reasons however.

by Anonymousreply 7110/23/2012

Jean Marsh also got herself in a bit of trouble by openly dissing Downton Abbey which resulted in Hugh Bonneville (playing Lord Granthon in Downton Abbey) to comment that her attack was uncalled for.

by Anonymousreply 7210/23/2012

[quote]Didn't the writers have grandparents or watch Jewel in the Cown?

And if they had? Is that the historical truth?

by Anonymousreply 7310/23/2012

I had grandparents who were from the UK. Indians, Pakistanis and Caribbeans were all called "black" and my grandmother told me they were all outwardly discriminated against in the 1930s and 1940s. So were Irish Catholics, who were considered just a tad bit higher on the evolutionary scale than blacks, but still vastly inferior to WASPs.

by Anonymousreply 7410/23/2012

The characters are terrible. They're not one-dimensional, they have no dimensions, no color, nothing to interest us.

by Anonymousreply 7510/23/2012

So that means EVERYONE discriminated, R74? Most, but not all.

by Anonymousreply 7610/23/2012

[quote]It's not as good as Masterpiece Theater normally is

It shits me to tears when Americans refer to that hoary stuck-on branding for some cherry-picked UK television. Get it right. It's BBC or ITV. PBS has nothing to do with it apart from handing over some of the cash.

Downton is all over the place in tone but it's SO cosy. And Series 3 has had some corker scenes and lines.

Although I've read that the familiarity of the servants with Upstairs, and the sharing of confessions, is making elderly upper class viewers grind their teeth. 'Seen but not heard' was completely and utterly the standard operating procedure. But then, that wouldn't have made for good drama.

by Anonymousreply 7710/23/2012

The Monkey was the only reason to watch this dreadful re-make.

PBS needs to simply bring back the entire original series!

I'm sure new viewers would enjoy the original Bellamy family and the downstairs staff of Hudson, Ruby, Rose, Daisy, Mrs. Bridges, Albert and the other assorted staff members.

This current series is like watching paint dry!

by Anonymousreply 7810/23/2012

While they're at it PBS might as well bring back "Poldark" too!

by Anonymousreply 7910/23/2012

I like it. A lot. Hate the snippy butler, like Alex Kingston, like Hallam and his wife. Love the cook and the fat maid and the hot chauffeur. Love the campy Duke of Kent.

Like the stories.

Why don't you bitches just stop watching it if you hate it so much?

by Anonymousreply 8010/23/2012

I would love a shirtless scene from Hallam, but that would probably never happen.

The aerobics demonstration with the woman prancing around outside in their short shorts in public while the other people huddled in their coats seemed rather ridiculous. What was the point of all that?

The butler is seriously miscast. Not interesting in the slightest.

So a huge scandal erupts because of the roman a clef, but the two figures involved feel comfortable resuming their affair in a very public way and there are no repercussions?

Beryl is beautiful and has the potential to be an interesting character, but she's mostly wasted. Same with the chauffeur.

You would never have a maid scrubbing the hearth drop everything to do the mistress' hair. The house is woefully understaffed and it is silly to think that poor Eunice is going to do everything. At least they finally got rid of the old beds.

by Anonymousreply 8110/23/2012

Best episode yet on tonight with more plot points packed into 55 minutes than Downton Abbey has in an entire season.

Boxing rings, nylon stockings, anti-Indian prejudice, a midnight rhumba, shared salted beef sandwiches, homosexual advances and more sexy men than Jean Marsh & Eileen Atkins could ever have imagined.

by Anonymousreply 8210/28/2012

How could Hallam get with that ugly, tramp of a sister?

If he had to cheat on Lady Agnes with someone, it should have been the Duke!

by Anonymousreply 8310/28/2012

And next week, shirtless Hallam!

by Anonymousreply 8410/28/2012

I really liked the first series it was the first time we had the Wallis Simpson story fromj this point of view.

by Anonymousreply 8510/28/2012

R77 is strictly milk first. And a bore.

by Anonymousreply 8610/28/2012

I've never seen the original series.

The way folks are raving about it on this thread makes me want to seek it out & watch it.

Perhaps I will.

by Anonymousreply 8710/28/2012

You can watch the original via Amazon streaming, for no extra charge if you have Amazon prime.

by Anonymousreply 8810/28/2012

Ooooh, thanks R88!

by Anonymousreply 8910/28/2012

I can't stand Hallam's wife or her sister. What is wrong with him?

by Anonymousreply 9010/28/2012

Keely Hawes was great on the first seasons of MI-5.

by Anonymousreply 9110/29/2012

And ir looks as if Hallam has a moderately hairy chest!

by Anonymousreply 9210/29/2012

I would take the chauffeur Spargo and footman Johnny on Upstairs Downstairs any day over the chauffeur and footman on Downtown Abbey.

Is it my imagination or are they portraying the Duke of Kent as more dissipated and seedy with each episode? Did he actually die of syphillis or something?

Is the hot actor Michael Landes who plays wealthy businessman Landry American? He looks familiar....should I know him from something else?

by Anonymousreply 9310/29/2012

Here ya go R93. And yes, he is American.

by Anonymousreply 9410/29/2012

The Duke of Kent was gay and died in a plane crash.

by Anonymousreply 9510/29/2012

I had no idea that Hallam was Tom Stoppard's son.

And Lady Agnes, whose character I hate, is played by an actress I adore - Keeley Hawes. Hawes played Zoe on Spooks (MI5 in the US) and the in a coma detective on Ashes to Ashes (the follow up female version of Life on Mars). Damn I've seen all 3 shows any mumber of times and never realized it was the same actress unitl just a bit ago so I looked it up.

Hawes is married in real life to the delicious Matthew Macfadyen who co-starred with her in Spooks and was in Pride and Prejudice. There must have been a hot set romance on Spooks because she separated from her husband in 2004, married Macfadyen in late 2004 and had a baby 2 months later. That's hot.

Well, that's enough gossip. I, too, eagerly await the blitz.

by Anonymousreply 9610/29/2012

Clearly, Lady Agnes (Keely Hawes) is meant to push some audience buttons. She's a complex character.

by Anonymousreply 9710/29/2012

I like Agnes, because I never know whether to like her or not. Actually, in some respects, I didn't think last night was as bad as alleged... it threw me for a loop because I thought Agnes was recovering from the birth of the first child... but instead it was the second.

by Anonymousreply 9810/29/2012

Of course, the big question is who was watching those two little babies when everyone, even every servant, was at the prize fight?

by Anonymousreply 9910/29/2012

Wow! So much going on as we inch towards WWII. Last week we had abortion, feminism, and an unwelcome gay advance. This week, a semi-incestuous affair and espionage!

How many episodes are left?

by Anonymousreply 10011/04/2012

I hate Lady Persee or Percy -- however you spell that ugly tramp's name.

& now she's even a traitor to her country!

by Anonymousreply 10111/05/2012

Did I miss something? Well, I did, I just can't figure out how. Where did episode 2 go? I have a feeling that between Agnes yanking down the blackout curtains at the end of episode one and Percy wrapping her velvet rims about Mr. Bubble in episode 3, there was a get the tramp out of Germany action epsiode #2 I missed? Am I right or is it early onset?

by Anonymousreply 10211/05/2012

Another rather slapdash episode. First year was great, this year really sucks. And what happened to the lesbian? She disappeared.

by Anonymousreply 10311/05/2012

It's true, the lesbian disappeared but I can't ssy I missed her. I also thought it was a bit of a relief to have less of Lady Agnes for a change. Would have liked a bit more of Johnny in his backwards Robin Hood costume, howver.

I loved last night's episode! I thought Spargo's move towards the end of the hour was highly dramatic, believable but unexpected. Enjoyed the blue kimono betrayal. And I was also a bit shocked by the whole Lord Acronym turn of events.

I'm telling you, Upstairs Downstairs has got far more punch than genteel Downton Abbey. They are far more willing on UD to risk putting their characters into unlikeable moments and it pays off.

by Anonymousreply 10411/05/2012

I don’t remember which episode, but, yeah, that tramp Lady Percy got back from Germany. Hallam got her out eventually, I think.

Then that dirty tramp seduced Hallam by taking advantage of the problems he & Lady Agnes were having. They started having an affair & the lady gay got wind, so Hallam kicked the lady gay out.

I hate that Percy tramp.

by Anonymousreply 10511/05/2012

There's only one more episode so I don't think we'll get to the blitz nor the (gay in real life) Duke of Kent's plane crash. Shame it was canceled. I'd like to have seen more.

by Anonymousreply 10611/05/2012

Duke of Kent better hurry up and make his move on Hallam as time is running out!!!

by Anonymousreply 10711/05/2012

Not to change the subject but does anyone know if there will ever be a revival/continuation of Foyle's War? That has got to be the best period TV series ever produced in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 10811/05/2012

I don't get why Hallam and the Duke of Kent are so close. It would seem that royalty (at that time) would only be close to other royalty or high ranking, titled aristocracy - not someone like Hallam, who doesn't even have a country house.

It was also strange that after Beryl discovered that Spargo had slept with Percy she appeared to be on her way to calling their engagement off. But in their next scene together, they were still set to get married and move to America.

by Anonymousreply 10911/05/2012

It was a stupid piece of writing when Hallam went on and on to Percy about how wonderful she was when we, the audience, knows none of it to be true. Hallam is much too sober and cautious a man to be swept away by his feelings and he knows exactly what she is; there's no way he would feel it necessary to wax rhapsodic about a cheap, opportunistic whore, even if he was getting great sex.

by Anonymousreply 11011/05/2012

R108 -- I totally agree, I think Foyle's War was one of the best of all the mystery series. Perfectly acted, scripted, and directed. Miss it terribly. The only problem I had with it, oddly enough, was how handsome Anthony Howell was -- it was a little diverting. Still, a great show.

by Anonymousreply 11111/05/2012

I've always assumed the point of the Duke of Kent's relationship with Hallam is to show us the Duke slumming with the "lower classes." And he also seems to be sexually quite fixated on Hallam, even knowing there will be no reward.

It was perfectly reasonable of Beryl to have a change of mind about Spargo once he convinced and reminded her that his fling with Perse was before he'd even met Beryl.

by Anonymousreply 11211/05/2012

I can't see what Hallam sees in Lady Percy. She's not that attractive, and hasn't shown any particularly admirable qualities.

I hope the Germans throw her out a window and that's the end of her in the last episode.

And very, very sad it's not coming back.

by Anonymousreply 11311/05/2012

Any love here for Call the Midwife?

I started a thread on the show when it debuted and there were NO responses. I'm loving it, too. These British period shows are so well-produced and are such a relief in a time of great ugliness and violence in our de-sensitized lives.

by Anonymousreply 11411/05/2012

Wasn't last night's Call the Midwife the last episode? I hope not! Will there be another season?

by Anonymousreply 11511/05/2012

[quote]I don't get why Hallam and the Duke of Kent are so close. It would seem that royalty (at that time) would only be close to other royalty or high ranking,

Not true. Read memoirs from that time. Noel Coward for one was friends with all the queen's gay uncles on her father's side and very close to her mother. The Queen Mother was at Noel's memorial service and is featured a lot in his diaries which have been published. It seems that the Queen's father was the only str8 brother. The others were gay though, of course, married to women.

by Anonymousreply 11611/05/2012

There was no preview for next week for Call the Midwife though there was a blurb about a Christmas special in Decemebr.

Make of that what you will.

by Anonymousreply 11711/05/2012

[italic]Foyle's War[/italic] was quite good and informative, but I don't see how they could continue it. The last we know, he was going to America and was glad to be out of police work, finally.

by Anonymousreply 11811/05/2012

[quote] Any love here for Call the Midwife?

I'm sick of seeing Miranda Hart everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 11911/05/2012

I'd thought Hallam was at school w/ the Duke of Kent?

by Anonymousreply 12011/05/2012

Whose brilliant idea was it to cast someone who looks and sounds like a creepy 1930s serial killer as the butler?

Persee and Agnes and Hallam look like triplets.

Who is the genius who named the main upstairs character Hallam Holland? It's a douchey soap opera name.

by Anonymousreply 12111/05/2012

[quote]Lady Persee or Percy

I believe it's "Persie." Her given name is "Persephone." I cannot figure out why parents would name one child Agnes and the other Persephone. I guess they weren't into themes.

by Anonymousreply 12211/05/2012

The original Upstairs Downstairs had the chauffeur blackmailing the employers. It was much more subtle and thus more realistic. Also, the chauffeur and his maid fiancé in the original series actually looked like a maid and a chauffeur, not like fashion models.

by Anonymousreply 12311/05/2012

I hope the actor (is is name Neal Jackson?) who plays Harry Spargo, the chauffeur, breaks out and comes to the US in a TV series, or better yet, a major film. He deserves it.

I also adore his love interest Beryl, the maid. Laura Haddock? Braddock?

by Anonymousreply 12411/07/2012

I still hate Persie.

by Anonymousreply 12511/11/2012

That's it? That's the end? How utterly underwhelming. At least Persie got hers.

by Anonymousreply 12611/11/2012

You’re right about Persie, R126.

And I won’t call her a ‘Lady’ because she’s not. Even the staff wouldn’t bring her tea! She wasn’t even lady-like when she fell –- with those tree-trunk legs over her head. But I suppose that is fitting –- she died as she lived –- with her legs over her head.

by Anonymousreply 12711/12/2012

I will miss this show and those characters very much. They deserve another season even though I know they won't be getting one.

by Anonymousreply 12811/12/2012

Yeah, I finally saw the last episode last night. I will miss it too. When it was good it was excellent. But when it wasn't it was ff time. The writing was in the wrong hands. Agnes was starting to form as an interesting character.

Downton is starting to exhibit signs of ADD.

by Anonymousreply 12911/18/2012

I thought it was good, too. I guess when you have high standards you won't be pleased by a lot of what (British or US) television has to offer. But at least you won't spend or waste so much time watching TV.

by Anonymousreply 13011/18/2012

I really enjoyed Cranford, Middlemarch, Wives and Daughters and Lark Rise to the original U/D a feel-good show along those lines? what else is worth looking for? someone mentioned the First Churchills on this thread...

by Anonymousreply 13102/08/2013

can someone please start a thread about older, feel-good BBC/ATV/ITV shows worth seeking out?

by Anonymousreply 13202/15/2013
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