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Reagan was an FBI informant--and worse

A new book by Seth Rosenfeld, Subversives, shows just what a terrible tool Reagan really was -- an informant, a liar, and such a terrible family man that he unleashed the FBI on his daughter when she was having an affair with an older man in Washington DC.

A truly horrible man.

by Anonymousreply 9411/26/2012

And conservatives will just add it to his hero mythology. Why didn't he fight in WWII?

by Anonymousreply 109/30/2012

I'm surprised Nancy never "Blew" his cover.

by Anonymousreply 209/30/2012

The fact that conservatives revere this man is a travesty.

by Anonymousreply 309/30/2012

Cnservatives do mind more government or big government if it spies on people. They just don't want it spying on corporate crimes.

by Anonymousreply 409/30/2012

I could never see what was so wonderful about his presidency. Yes, he brought us out of the dreariness of the Carter administration, but he spawned overindulgence and hypermaterialism, which we still see today. That was his real legacy.

by Anonymousreply 509/30/2012

He was an ass. Unkind, ungenerous, and mean.

I saw through him and could never figure out why so many couldn't.

Ketchup = vegetable for public school children.

AIDS = no such thing.

Mentally Ill = close hospitals and let them live on the streets.


by Anonymousreply 609/30/2012

Reagan was not a perfect president, though he got the US out of the Carter malaise, but I really disagree with the idea he was a horrible human being. There are ample accounts of his likeable and friendly personality, even his political opponents said he was always ready to listen and his sectre service protection said he was one of the best presidents or candidates they worked with. He always responded to correspondence however important the writer and just days after he was shot he was found clearing up spilt water in his hospital bedroom so as not to trouble the nurse. As for his FBI informant record, yes that was not his finest moment, but he did it, misguidedly, as he believed it was necessary for national security as for keeping tags on his daughter's affair, again not great but if you were the president wouldn't you want to know who was having an affair with the first daughter and why?

by Anonymousreply 809/30/2012

r8, none of my points above are not true.

ergo, he was not a nice man.

by Anonymousreply 909/30/2012

R6 - Disagree, of course everyone has their good points and their bad points but on a personal level most reports are clear that Reagan treated those he met and dealt with with in a good way.

by Anonymousreply 1009/30/2012

What a terrible man Reagan really was.

Is this news?

He became much more likable when the Alzheimer took over. He was a ruthless before.

by Anonymousreply 1109/30/2012

[quote]Why didn't he fight in WWII?

He joined the Army Reserve in college & was called up when WWII broke out, but was rejected for service overseas due to being too nearsighted. Instead, he stayed in Los Angeles & appeared in patriotic films.

I met a nurse who said that one of her elderly patients had worked with Reagan years ago on a charity project & found that he "had a mean streak" in private. I was surprised to hear that because, as much as I despise him, he'd always struck me as just a dumb goofball who meant no harm (though he caused plenty of it).

by Anonymousreply 1209/30/2012

R8 you ignorant slut. The point re the FBI and his daughter is: he heard that Maureen was sleeping with a DC cop and so instead of talking to her, he had Hoover trail her, hassle her, attack the cop, and try to destroy two lives.

Yes, a truly terrible man. His apologists are no different from the various Birthers and Freepers if this world. People who hate the truth.

by Anonymousreply 1309/30/2012

"Trees cause more pollution than automobiles do." -- Ronald Reagan, 1981

by Anonymousreply 1409/30/2012

After years in show business Reagan had many gay friends and wasn't concerned about his son's orientation. No need to followed by the FBI.

by Anonymousreply 1509/30/2012

reagan was mean

by Anonymousreply 1609/30/2012

nothing you say will change my mind about reagan.

by Anonymousreply 1809/30/2012

Read his letters and you will see he was not a nice man.

by Anonymousreply 1909/30/2012

Reagan's letters prove nothing of the sort, including numerous letters to private citizens he took time and effort to write and a letter to his son on the meaning of true love

by Anonymousreply 2010/01/2012

Why are you so invested in defending his reputation?

by Anonymousreply 2110/01/2012

[quote]Reagan had many gay friends and wasn't concerned about his son's orientation.

His son was and still is married to a woman. so....duh.

by Anonymousreply 2210/01/2012

Could you imagine what would happen today if Obama laid a wreath on a Nazi grave? Or if he sold weapons to one group of terrorists and then used the profits to fund another group of terrorists?

by Anonymousreply 2310/01/2012

Here's what I want to know...

Why did Ron Reagan Jr. turn out the way he did?

And by that I mean... sane and likable. It seemed like MSNBC was flirting with giving him a show after the 2004 Democratic convention and he was a regular analyst but I guess he doesn't want to leave Seattle so he just fills in as a guest occasionally.

by Anonymousreply 2410/01/2012

[quote]He joined the Army Reserve in college & was called up when WWII broke out, but was rejected for service overseas due to being too nearsighted. Instead, he stayed in Los Angeles & appeared in patriotic films.

Bullshit! He even lied and said he fought in WWII. Nearsightedness?! Bwahahaha!!!!

by Anonymousreply 2510/01/2012

R8, Iran-Contra. Take it away.

by Anonymousreply 2610/01/2012

Finally a book about what he was really like.

by Anonymousreply 2810/01/2012

R24, there is no such person as Ron Reagan Jr. President Ronald Wilson Reagan did have a son whose name is Ronald Prescott Reagan.

by Anonymousreply 2910/01/2012

I have a better idea, r27. Why don't YOU link to the information that shows REagan DIDN'T close the mental hospitals and how he responded to the AIDS crisis, other than saying the word "AIDS" when Rock Hudson died.

by Anonymousreply 3010/01/2012

OK smartypants r29. You knew what I meant.

by Anonymousreply 3110/01/2012

He was a fucking ACTOR.

What did y'all expect?

by Anonymousreply 3210/02/2012

You know, Mario Cuomo said it all about Reagan His words, and I'm paraphrasing here, He said, "Reagan is such an affable fellow, he makes a lack of compassion seem charming."

So, yeah, I agree. He was a bad person.Someone else said that whoever you are when you come to Washington, that's who you'll be. You can't hope that circumstances or events will make someone a better person or confer a level of morality or integrity to them if it isn't there.In other words, either you have it or you don't.

by Anonymousreply 3310/02/2012

R8, Reagan was the butcher of Central America and is responsible for the slaughter of over 100,000 people in Nicaragua and El Salvador.

And you want to beatify this war criminal? You are one dumb and ignorant fuck.

by Anonymousreply 3410/03/2012

This thread has got me watching the Reagan American Experience bio on Netflix streaming.

Apparently Patti was born only 7 months after Nancy and Ron married... oooooh.

by Anonymousreply 3510/03/2012


by Anonymousreply 3610/03/2012

My grandchildren will gather round and play a little game I’ll ask “whatever happened to?” and then I’ll name a name I’ll name some bad men, I’ll name the worst They’ll make their grandpa proud with their answers well-rehearsed Yours will be the last name, I’ll say it with a grin I’ll say he used to be the President, where’s he been since then? They’ll answer Ronald Reagan burns in hell with Judas, Adolf and Jim

by Anonymousreply 3710/03/2012

For R27, Reagan and the mentally ill:

by Anonymousreply 3810/03/2012

For R27, one of many readily available online articles about Ronald Reagan ignoring the AIDS epidemic:

by Anonymousreply 3910/03/2012

At least he had great hair.

by Anonymousreply 4010/03/2012

Reagan got us out of nothing, this is such a fallacy. It was all Paul Volcker's doing; he was appointed by Carter, for better or worse, PV initiated the recession and created money by manipulation which occurred in Reagan's first term. It falsely made Reagan appear the messiah, which was quite the opposite. As somebody posted up thread, Reagan ushered in the Corporate greed nightmare we are suffering today.

I think that Reagan reappointed Volcker too. Correct me if I am wrong.

by Anonymousreply 4110/03/2012

R40, his hair looked like it was colored with brown shoe polish.

by Anonymousreply 4210/03/2012

"Ronald Reagan doesn't dye his hair. He's just prematurely orange."

-- Gerald Ford

by Anonymousreply 4310/03/2012

Nasty, nasty man and I should know, for I am a nasty woman.

by Anonymousreply 4410/03/2012

34 - On Reagan's watch the tide in the Cold War was turned and the economy began to grow again after the Carter years. Of course he was not perfect, but even in Central America the Saninistas weren't that great either! You may have your opinion, but for me he and IKE were the best GOP presidents since the War

by Anonymousreply 4510/03/2012

Well you're full of shit HYUFD. The economy grew in the Carter years, it was the first years of Reagan where it shrank (because of a Republican shithead named Paul Volcker that Carter installed at the Fed). Reagan's "boom" was classic Keynesian stimulation: deficit spending and money supply growth, but with this difference: Reagan, with the complicity of wealthy Dems like Kennedy and O'Neill, started restructuring the economy to hurt the poor, the young, and labor.

by Anonymousreply 4610/03/2012

The tide in the Cold War was not "turned." The fact is that we were never losing the Cold War, that was just lying propaganda from Cheney and Rumsfeld.

by Anonymousreply 4710/03/2012

Military employment was higher under Carter than under Reagan. People forget that.

by Anonymousreply 4810/03/2012

Reagan produced the largest economic boom in post-war US history and nearly 35 million more jobs. It was Reagan who kept the pressure up on the Soviets by maintaining a military presence in Europe while also being willing to sit down and speak to Gorbachev and set the way for the end of the Cold War

by Anonymousreply 4910/04/2012


by Anonymousreply 5010/04/2012

[quote]Reagan produced the largest economic boom in post-war US history and nearly 35 million more jobs

Completely made up "facts", aka BULLSHIT.

by Anonymousreply 5110/04/2012

Unemployment was 7.5% when Reagan got in, 5.4% when he left office!

by Anonymousreply 5210/04/2012

Keep making up those "facts", asshole.

by Anonymousreply 5310/04/2012

R45 is just another of these idiot right wing freepers who've invaded datalounge with their rightwing revisionist history.

I met a freeper who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. I wish, I wish he'd go away.

by Anonymousreply 5410/04/2012

Firstly if you look at the facts on unemployment levels at the end of Reagan's term compared to its beginning you will see that I am right. Secondly, I am certainly no freeper, indeed most Americans when polled consider Reagan one of the best US presidents of the last century, after all he won 2 landslide victories and he could not do that with the support of the hard right alone. My own political views are actually moderate/center right andI want Obama to be re-elected in November albeit with a split Congress, a GOP House and Democratic Senate.

by Anonymousreply 5510/06/2012

A lot of people voted for him because he had been a handsome actor.

For someone in a union SAG he seemed to hate unions and worked against them. And don't forget the wonderful union busting job he did on the air traffic controllers.

by Anonymousreply 5610/06/2012

Jimmy Carter may not have been a great President, however he did become a great diplomat, after his Presidency. Please don't discount his humanitarian efforts on behalf of our country and others.

by Anonymousreply 5710/06/2012

[quote]11 - Who did not become president without being ruthless?


by Anonymousreply 5810/06/2012

R55 you are an absolute shit. Face it, accept it, and live with it.

by Anonymousreply 5910/06/2012

and yet you keep trying!


by Anonymousreply 6110/07/2012

[quote]58 - Carter was ruthless, how else did he come from nowhere to win in 1976.

If that's you're idea of debate - you got nothin. Can't you even dredge up some ridiculous conspiracy theory with which to amuse us?

by Anonymousreply 6210/07/2012

According to his book detailing interviews with former Secret Service agents, Jimmy Carter was the worst president they had to deal with, worse than any other President, Democrat or Republican, in the 50 year period the book covers. An excerpt

Carter is portrayed as a phony according to the agents interviewed by Kessler. Carter would put on a show for the public to convey himself as a common man, but it was never anymore than an act. For instance, we are told that when Carter would make a point of carrying his own luggage in front of the press, he was really carrying empty bags. He expected others to carry his real luggage. Unfriendly, Carter “didn’t want the police officers and agents looking at him or speaking to him when he went to the [Oval] office,” explained an assistant White House usher. “The only time I saw a smile on Carter’s face was when the cameras were going,” one former agent told Kessler.

After his presidency, Kessler reports that when Carter would stay at a townhouse maintained for former presidents in D.C., he would take down pictures of other presidents and put up more pictures of himself! “The Carters were the biggest liars in the world,” one agent told Kessler of the Carter era.

by Anonymousreply 6310/07/2012

what book?


by Anonymousreply 6410/07/2012

In the President's Secret Service: Behind the Scenes with Agents in the Line of Fire and the Presidents they Protect by Ronald Kessler

by Anonymousreply 6510/07/2012

[quote]Firstly if you look at the facts on unemployment levels

What facts? The shit you keep making up? Since you have provided no links we have no facts. New to the internets grampa?

by Anonymousreply 6610/07/2012

Ron Kessler is chief Washington, D.C. correspondent of the incredibly biased conservative website

Nice try, HYUFD.

by Anonymousreply 6710/07/2012

If you bothered to read the interviews you would also see the agents had good things to say about Obama and Clinton and were less than complimentary about McCain so it was not a partisan book at all!

by Anonymousreply 6810/07/2012

As for links I have tried posting them here but it does not seem to accept them so I gave up. If you want to check unemployment levels by the end of Reagan's term a simple google search will confirm, even on Reagan's wikipedia site

by Anonymousreply 6910/07/2012

Secret service agents are security guards - and we got to see what their "ethics" are in Colombia this year.

A single agent's perspective, despite interviews with other colleagues, is scant evidence to condemn a president. Who knows what policies or other personnel issues were going on during the secret service at that time that would color their perspective.

Fucking ridiculous. But I will agree that Carter wasn't very effective.

by Anonymousreply 7010/07/2012

[quote]As for links I have tried posting them here but it does not seem to accept them so I gave up.

Ask the orderly at the home to help you grampa. Nobody else has that problem here.

by Anonymousreply 7110/07/2012

Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men." Writing in the Washington Post in late 1985, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, stated: "It is surprising that the president could remain silent as 6,000 Americans died, that he could fail to acknowledge the epidemic's existence. Perhaps his staff felt he had to, since many of his New Right supporters have raised money by campaigning against homosexuals."

by Anonymousreply 7210/07/2012

Yes, just how old IS our resident Reagan defender anyway?

by Anonymousreply 7310/07/2012

The interviews were based on a large number of agents who accompanied presidents and candidates 24 hours a day, as an idea of what they were personally like they should not be dismissed. As for links, it may be my computer I don't know but they don't want to post. I am no Pat Buchanan fan what has that got to do with my view on Reagan? I never said Reagan was a saint, he was not perfect and AIDs was one of his weaker areas, but he did have many gay friends in the entertainment industry. George W Bush ironically was not a great president but actually did a lot to tackle AIDs, particularly in Africa. I am 30.

by Anonymousreply 7410/07/2012

He was a hateful, ignorant ass who spent most of his second term with a rapidly declining brain. Considering the existence of Log Cabins and other self-loathing gays in the GOP, it is not surprising he had some gay friends, but that does not mean he was a nice human being.

by Anonymousreply 7510/07/2012

Reagan and his wife alternately neglected and mistreated their children, particularly the ones who were not young Ron. Their children alternately begged for their love or retaliated with angry, immature stunts. All their kids had showbiz or political ambitions that did not pan out. Ron did the best because they were semi-decent to him.

With all the scrutiny of family that takes place today the Reagans might have had real trouble getting into office.

by Anonymousreply 7610/07/2012

I think it is quite clear we are never going to agree on this, we have both made our points, I suggest we leave it there

by Anonymousreply 7710/07/2012

[quote]Unemployment was 7.5% when Reagan got in, 5.4% when he left office!

It was a boom period following a recession period. It just happened to coincide with Reagan's presidency.

by Anonymousreply 7810/07/2012

You suggest we leave it there!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha h ah ahah hahahaha!!!

by Anonymousreply 7910/07/2012

When you're losing an argument and creating fiction, it's a good idea to say, "I suggest we leave it there" and then run away and hide until you can create new fiction.

by Anonymousreply 8010/07/2012

Your main point is that he was a NICE man.

My main point is that he was not.

Your "facts" do not support your point.

by Anonymousreply 8210/07/2012

And what does HYUFD stand for?

by Anonymousreply 8310/07/2012

If you look at my earlier points, the fact he always replied to correspondence whoever the writer, cleaning the bathroom for his nurse after the assassination attempt on him and his forgiveness for the guy who shot him I don't think he was really a nasty man, but if you wish to differ that is your affair. It stands for nothing in particular

by Anonymousreply 8410/07/2012

Reagan can't be blamed for anything that happened in his last four years in office. He was so out of the loop that he didn't know what was going on.

by Anonymousreply 8510/08/2012

I'm curious if the young gays know how awful Reagan was. I suspect they don't. All that right wing propaganda is probably working.

by Anonymousreply 8610/13/2012

oh for sure, r86.

Even Obama (who I like a lot) sings his praises.

But he really was a pretty nasty man based solely on his policies.

by Anonymousreply 8710/13/2012

Younger voters are perfectly able to read up on his policies as well as everyone else. For example, I myself would not have voted for Reagan in 1968 when he first ran for president, my favoured candidates would have been Nelson Rockefeller and Bobby Kennedy, or in 1976 when I would have voted for Gerald Ford over both Reagan and Carter. But by 1980, in my view, Reagan was the right candidate for the time to get America out of its economic malaise, you disagree, as I said that is your affair.

by Anonymousreply 8810/13/2012

Nice guy

by Anonymousreply 8910/13/2012

People wonder why gay men believed AIDS was created by the government.

by Anonymousreply 9010/13/2012

I have already said on this thread many times Reagan was not a good president as far as HIV was concerned, but you have to look at his record overall, and on that basis in my view, and based on the needs of the time, his overall record on the economy etc was a good one. It is clear you disagree, that is your affair. As I have also said even Elton John has stated that George W Bush was the best president of recent times as far as the fight against HIV was concerned, that does not mean his overall record was a good one!

by Anonymousreply 9110/14/2012

It's amusing to me that people think conservatives are the only people to misuse agencies like the FBI. It clearly shows how much you refuse to acknowledge both parties lack of intelligence when it comes to intelligence.

By the way the Obama administration supported the unchanged/unmodified renewal of both the FISA Act (domestic wiretapping) and PATRIOT Act. You know, the two things Bush implemented that horrified and angered Democrats. Double-standard much?

by Anonymousreply 9210/14/2012

Thanks for mentioning this book, OP. It sounds really good. Bookforum gave it a great review, too.

by Anonymousreply 9311/26/2012


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