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How did talking about the CIA and "you're crazy" become synonymous?

There wasn't a serial killer or single incident that made it "tinhat." So why is it, when you bring up a giant evil entity that spends tons of money every year to kill people and destroy countries, it's "crazy"?

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3801/29/2013

bump, was there a watershed incident? I can't think of any.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 109/02/2012

OP, what the hell are you talking about? Your post is not clear.

Do you mean why do people label as tinhats those who talk about the CIA?

Or do you mean people think it's crazy that the CIA does all that secret spy shit?

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 209/02/2012

R1, the watershed incident was the JKF assassination.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 309/02/2012

OP this tactic was common in the Soviet Union, too.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 509/02/2012

What do you mean, R5, like if you talked about the KGB, people branded you as loony?

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 709/03/2012

There is no KGB r7. Never was.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 809/03/2012

I've noticed this too. Even talking about factual things, like literally historically factually events related to the CIA or similar organizations attempting to depose/assassinate people, will get others thinking you're crazy.

I was talking to a coworker the other day about the Iranian Revolution and Pinochet/the coup d'etat in Chile, and the American government's/CIA's involvement, and he literally looked at me like I was insane. He told me I was paranoid. He didn't believe me when I told him this was actual history.

Thank fuck I didn't bring up the Gulf of Tonkin incident. He probably would have run screaming in the other direction to tell my coworkers I was nuts.

I don't understand, not only are these things fact, but if our government (and all world governments tbh), have consistently spent the modern age doing these very kinds of things around the world, why the hell would you not believe they are not doing it somewhere this moment right now.

I don't get it.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 909/03/2012

*why the hell wouldn't you believe they are doing it somewhere right now.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1009/03/2012

Some of the allegations of the CIA masterminding events seems to presume superhuman competence. And the volume of acts attributed to it presumes there are no other services or forces at work in the world. Some of the allegations sound just as crazy as middle eastern allegations about human events being caused by Mossad social engineering.

Yes, the CIA is out there, working. But some of its failures are public knowledge (troop estimates for Korea, Soviets arriving in Afghanistan, the decay of the USSR, etc.) They're just people working in and for a bureaucracy with good funding. They fuck things up. They miss a lot of things.

Not all coincidences or trends are caused by secret government services. And those things that are caused by secret government services are not all caused by the CIA.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1109/03/2012

The CIA's official histories exaggerate its role. For example, in 1953 when the Prime Minister of Iran was taken down, there were 12 CIA people in the country. How many British were there? Several thousand. Who arranged for the elimination of the PM? The Brits! But they let the CIA claim credit and the USA has been paying for the inflated ego of the Roosevelt who was station chief ever since.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1209/03/2012

[quote]Some of the allegations of the CIA masterminding events seems to presume superhuman competence.

Yet people believe a flight school dropout could stunt fly a passenger jet five feet off the ground at 300 mph for thousands of feet without dumping it in order to strike the headquarters of the mightiest military command center in the world.

They think it's mere coincidence that the WTC went from public to private ownership just weeks before the Towers were blown to Kingdom Come, putting over six billion dollars into the hands of a developer who had put up a mere 200 million to acquire the asbestos-laden white elephants.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1309/03/2012

[quote]Yet people believe a flight school dropout could stunt fly a passenger jet

A great deal of what pilots train for is take-offs and landings. Since they planned to hijack planes after take-off and then crash the plane instead of landing it on a runway, he wouldn't have had to complete the course.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1409/03/2012

R13 is how talking about the CIA and "you're crazy" became synonymous.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1509/03/2012

R15

When our government has been involved in so many nefarious plots over the last 200 years, it's hard for people to NOT see conspiracies.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1609/03/2012

Sluggish Schizophrenia is what the Soviets used to call it. And it fucking worked.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1709/03/2012

Sluggish Schizophrenia would be a great name for a band.

It would also describe the people who actually believe that voting changes anything.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 1809/03/2012

1. dingbats cannot refrain from throwing JFK and 9/11 into every conversation about the CIA

2. Sources are never members of a disinterested foreign press that could offer coherent analysis from outside the crazy. Instead, sources are either news scrapers who somehow divine 'truth' from the constant newsfeed or former employees who are also selling books, seminars, and/or equipment

3. People who take time to read and critically analyze what's presented are called stupid sheeple. If you want to present a theory, don't tell your audience that they're dumb.

4. The CIA was designed as a 'wild card' which means that its trends are trendless and its objective is ever-changing. You won't find a pattern to its behavior without stretching reality to the breaking point.

5. You type and argue just like several late-stage alcoholics I know. You're nuts

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2009/04/2012

Thanks, R 22

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2309/25/2012

Bump

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2401/29/2013

It's been well-documented that the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK. All you need to do is just read a few books on the subject and you cannot come to any other conclusion unless you are being willfully blind.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2501/29/2013

R25-

Most people here WORSHIP the government and when you say that it is evil they defend it.

It is sick.

DC is evil, and should be abolished and destroyed. All powers should be devolved back to the states.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2601/29/2013

But what surprises me, R26, is I thought most people of today's generation had grown up with Oliver Stone's JFK and had read all the well-researched books out there on the assassination. Not books by crazy people, but books by people like attorney Mark Lane (a friend of the Kennedys) who has worked on the case for nearly 50 years.

There are even former CIA agents who have ADMITTED that it was an inside job by people in the government who hated the threat to the establishment that JFK posed. Howard Hunt admitted it on his death bed, and many former colleagues of Oswald have said he was CIA, as was the Japanese naval base where he was stationed.

I'm also surprised that on a forum with predominantly gay men, most of whom are usually well-informed on many other issues, that there are so many who are completely unable to accept the truth about the assassinations of the 1960's.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2701/29/2013

[quote]Most people here WORSHIP the government and when you say that it is evil they defend it.

This crap again? All it takes for you to pop up again is for some poster to point out that an allegation and explanation of government corruption is illogical or strains credulity. Pointing out the flaws in your arguments doesn't mean we worship the government; it means your arguments aren't very good.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 2801/29/2013

[quote]Admitting that the US GOVERNMENT was actively involved in killing JFK would destroy the Church of Government that exists here.

It would finally free America and allow it to move forward. When is a President finally going to have the courage to speak out and tell the truth?

It is the 50th anniversary of JFK's death later this year - he deserves justice at this point for frigging sake!

(And so do RFK & MLK.)

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3001/29/2013

Seriously, R26?

You must be a white heterosexual man living in a blue state. States' rights, really?

Besides, why is state power automatically better than federal government power? You think Kasich, Scott, Jindal, and Brewer are less evil/dangerous to their citizens than Barack Obama? You think the same forces that corrupt the federal government don't operate at the state level?

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3101/29/2013

No, R31, but with 50 states individually controlled people would be free to move from socialist states to free states.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3201/29/2013

Good Americans and good illegals never ever talk about the CIA.

Never ever ever.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3301/29/2013

It's not crazy to talk intelligently and persuasively about the evils of the CIA.

That doesn't mean, however, that a great many conspiracy theories re: the CIA are not just plain nuts.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3401/29/2013

Sorry it was the military, not the CIA, that did Kennedy.

The CIA has done lots of evil, of course. But the military intelligence bureaucracy has always been larger.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3501/29/2013

throw in alien encounters, too.

even presented with DOCUMENTED proof now released by the British and US gov'ts not to mention EYE WITNESS accounts from RESPECTED MILITARY PROFESSIONALS and airline pilots...people still think it's crazy to suggest other worldly objects exist in our dimension.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3601/29/2013

Pretty much the same reason Scientology made mockery of alternative medicine.

Since they have their own agenda & don't practice at all the way real alternative practitioners do, they made the whole thing look like garbage.

In fact, them & Tom Cruise was the best thing to happen to super conservative defenders of traditional medicine.

Likewise with the rise of the Illuminati donkeys, who are generally dumb people, with a limited global understanding had THEIR own agenda. So people just waved away things that had previously regarded as suspect as tin foil conspiracy.

The internet is partly to blame along with the rise of agenda based groups designed to appeal to people with low IQs. So shit just flies beneath the radar.

by Fucking Brilliant Ideareply 3701/29/2013
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