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Is Woody Allen a homophobic?

I just started watching his films and it appears he just might be.

In "Sleeper", he inserts that egregious stereotypical gay couple. For what purpose, I don't know.

In "Love and Death", there are no homosexuals at all, and he implies Socrates was a homosexual as if it's a bad thing.

That's as far as I've gotten with his movies.

Oh, and did he ever have a thing with Diane Keaton? She seems to be in all of his movies.

by Anonymousreply 6711/07/2012

Please tell me you are 16 year old OP and just discovered film and thus may have a legitimate excuse for not knowing Woody Allen and Diane Keaton were a couple.

by Anonymousreply 108/28/2012

So how do you explain the lesbian couple (one of them played by Mery Streep) in Manhattan?

Or doesn't it count?

by Anonymousreply 208/28/2012

They were a couple? For how long?

by Anonymousreply 308/28/2012

I'm not sure if the OP is a troll or simply a moron, but since we're discussing this, I will note that Woody was a very early advocate for gay rights and let his name and celebrity to help support anti-discrimination legislation in New York back in the 80s.

Since this is also a gossip thread, I'll also mention that, according to the nanny who wrote the tell-all book about him and Mia, Woody was horrified when Satchel showed early signs that he might be gay and sent him straight into therapy. Satchel of course has now changed his name to Ronan, and although he's yet to comment on it he appears to be a well-adjusted young gay man.

by Anonymousreply 408/28/2012

[quote]So how do you explain the lesbian couple (one of them played by Mery Streep) in Manhattan?

I wouldn't exactly say he is pro-lesbian....at one point he says most kids barely survive one mom so two is really unfair (or something like that.)

Plus the lesbians come off kind of shrill and bitchy....the only thing positive about them is M's beautifully teased hair pulled to the side.

by Anonymousreply 508/28/2012

The lesbian couple in "Manhatten" was more a projection of his male fears than any statement about homosexuality. His ex-wife not only rejects him, but rejects all penises, thereby making him feel sexually inadequate.

I think "sexual inadequacy" is the answer to just about any question about Woody Allen.

by Anonymousreply 608/28/2012

I seriously doubt that Woody Allen is actively homophobic - he's one of the most liberal cultural figures in the States.

He's also a comedian and makes fun of everybody. He sees our entire existence as being one big existential joke.

by Anonymousreply 708/28/2012

[quote]Satchel of course has now changed his name to Ronan, and although he's yet to comment on it he appears to be a well-adjusted young gay man.

Although Ronan is possibly my ideal boyfriend -- stunningly beautiful and a literal genius and savant -- there is really not yet any basis on which to assume he's gay. Any claims by a disgruntled ex-employee have to be taken with considerable grains of salt, and even if the rumor about Woody sending Ronan/Satchel to therapy was true, it isn't necessarily because Woody's homophobic. I speak from experience here: after I showed signs of being sexually confused way back in fourth grade, my mom -- at a loss on how to handle the situation -- sent me to a therapist for a while thinking it would help me sort out my feelings. She did not do it AT ALL because she didn't want me to be gay, and was in fact overjoyed when I finally came out to her. The therapy didn't really help me, admittedly -- I figured out my orientation on my own, a couple of years after therapy ended -- but my mom only put me in it because she wanted me to be happy, and could see that my sexual confusion was making me depressed.

Anyway ... getting back to Ronan, I'll be *very* glad if he comes out, and it certainly won't surprise me if he does, but we have no real knowledge one way or the other to assume anything about his orientation at this point.

by Anonymousreply 808/28/2012

[quote]we have no real knowledge one way or the other to assume anything about his orientation at this point.

no. we always decide before they come out.....and we are ALWAYS right.

by Anonymousreply 1008/28/2012

M's hair swept to the side makes me weep....it is just so beautiful

by Anonymousreply 1108/28/2012

But R9, I think Mia was just being with it and ahead of the curve. She doesn't live in Kansas. And she's right. Hopefully Anderson Cooper will be the last person who feels compelled to say, "I'm gay" and everyone else will just be who they are and live their life openly. I mean, Anderson Cooper is in his 40s, I'm sure to all of New York, especially Mia's circle, it probably was a big "so what?" It wasn't anything like a secret.

by Anonymousreply 1208/28/2012

[quote]we always decide before they come out.....and we are ALWAYS right.

Bitch, please. We still don't know a single thing for certain about the vast majority of the celebrities we assume are gay. Marcia Cross, loving wife and mother of twins, anyone?

by Anonymousreply 1308/28/2012

Kansas is a state of mind, there was no reason for her to get so angry about Anderson Cooper coming out. It was a stupid, phobic reaction.

by Anonymousreply 1408/28/2012

For the chronicler of upper-middle class Manhattan for almost 40 years, Allen's films have featured one lesbian (Streep in Manhattan) and one gay man (Ed Begely Jr in Whatever Works). I suppose that's better than black people, who I don't feature at all in Allen's work.

by Anonymousreply 1508/28/2012

You're just projecting that she was angry. It's a tweet. Don't read so much into it. Mia Farrow is obviously a HUGE supporter and activist of human rights and equality for all. You're being silly.

by Anonymousreply 1608/28/2012

Meryl did have the most glorious hair, back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 1708/28/2012

M's hair really is amazing in Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 1808/28/2012

Mia retweeted that Anderson had a good reason to stay closeted because of his foreign correspondence work, and also got into a tiff with a lesbian writer who had written an article saying it's good AC came out for visibility. Mia was opposed to AC coming out and it made her angry. That's not "reading to much into it", that's seeing it clearly since I don't have my head stuck up her ass like you do.

by Anonymousreply 1908/28/2012

[quote]Meryl did have the most glorious hair, back in the day.

Indeed. So sad that she looks like a frizzy-haired old lady these days...

by Anonymousreply 2008/28/2012

Well maybe she has a point, R19. Maybe his right to privacy is more important than being pressured into making statements about himself that could potentially bring harm to him and limit his ability to report on important stories. Plus, there's such a thing as personality. When Vidal Sasson died, Mia tweeted that the whole Rosemary's Baby haircut was a publicity stunt set up by the studio and that she had cut her hair short prior to that. I'm sure what she lacks in sentimentality - which seems to be what you're looking for - she more than makes up for with humanity.

Plus, she's completely off her rocker about Woody Allen, in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 2108/28/2012

R15, there was the prominent black prostitute character in Defending Harry. And there is the black maid in Hannah and Her Sisters who is seen shoving food in her mouth as her employers enter and she leaves the kitchen, I think. Can't think of any others.

by Anonymousreply 2208/28/2012

This is Ronan's BFF. He gave her the scottish fold cat that is featured on her site. You can find a link to the cat, "Basil Farrow"'s blog, on the right-hand side of the page.

So if this is who he hangs out with, then yeah, I'd probably think he is.

by Anonymousreply 2308/28/2012

R19 Ronan works with the UN and frequently goes to places like South Sudan, so it would not surprise me that Mia would have that attitude regarding Anderson.

by Anonymousreply 2408/28/2012

R9, that was "Annie Hall" where they are observing the gay couple.

And the guy who won the Truman Capote lookalike contest who really was Truman Capote.

by Anonymousreply 2508/28/2012

[quote]It's either Manhattan or another of his movies around that time where he and his girlfriend are people-watching, which includes smirking at a gay couple.

It's "Annie Hall." I believe they observe the gay couple and say that they're on their way to Fire Island.

There is a degree of homophobia in Woody's early films (he played a neurotic sperm who was horrified that he might be secreted in a gay encounter in "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex But Were Afraid to Ask...") but you have to remember this was FORTY YEARS AGO and that Woody makes fun of EVERYBODY. The scene in Annie Hall where he is bugged by two Goombas while in line for a movie and complains to Annie that he's been stuck waiting for her with the cast of "The Godfather" would probably be protested by the Italian American Defamation League today. (I actually love that scene because Alvy's actual complaint is "I'm stuck out here with the cast of 'The Godfather'" and Diane Keaton WAS in the cast of 'The Godfather.'")

by Anonymousreply 2608/28/2012

R12, honey, Mia's circle is the drain.

by Anonymousreply 2708/28/2012

Plus, adding on where R26 left off, Woody's humor is more about his own discomfort and insecurity in the world than any presumed target. It's about his anxiety in the world and his character's journey is often about finding or making peace with that.

by Anonymousreply 2808/28/2012

{quote]I'll also mention that, according to the nanny who wrote the tell-all book about him and Mia, Woody was horrified when Satchel showed early signs that he might be gay and sent him straight into therapy. Satchel of course has now changed his name to Ronan,

Oh the kid would have been in therapy anyway when he realized his parents named him after Hobo Luggage.

by Anonymousreply 2908/28/2012

[quote]Mia retweeted that Anderson had a good reason to stay closeted because of his foreign correspondence work, and also got into a tiff with a lesbian writer who had written an article saying it's good AC came out for visibility. Mia was opposed to AC coming out and it made her angry.

[quote]Ronan works with the UN and frequently goes to places like South Sudan, so it would not surprise me that Mia would have that attitude regarding Anderson.

It's for safety reasons. Anderson and Ronan travel to countries that don't accept Homosexuality and sets them up for violence or worse. Common sense folks. She ain't talking about Peoria.

by Anonymousreply 3008/28/2012

I'm sorry but the "safety" argument is complete BS. Jeffrey Kofman has been openly gay forever and has worked extensively in the Middle East.

As long as you can keep it in your pants long enough for your stay, the officials in these anti-gay countries will leave you alone.

by Anonymousreply 3108/28/2012

Ronan

by Anonymousreply 3208/28/2012

[quote]I'm sorry but the "safety" argument is complete BS. Jeffrey Kofman has been openly gay forever and has worked extensively in the Middle East.

How's life in that safe basement of your's?

by Anonymousreply 3308/28/2012

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by Anonymousreply 3408/28/2012

Well he is an old Jewish guy from back in the era when gays were routinely dismissed as fags and fairies, like back in the Sinatra Rat pack era.

There are though so few gay characters in his movies, but he writes about the world he knows (whether its in New York, London, Paris, Barcelona, Rome), and gays obviously don't feature in it.

I immediately thought of the sperm worried about it being a gay encounter from 1972's Everything You Always Wanted to KNow About Sex ... someone else got that in first.

by Anonymousreply 3508/28/2012

Is there anything in the Sleeper gay robot scene that would be out of place in "Modern Family"?

Bret Easton Ellis was right, there's nothing progressive about Modern Family's gays.

by Anonymousreply 3608/28/2012

I was really annoyed by the way Ed Begley Jr.'s straight-laced, square character in "Whatever Works" immediately started swishing it up after finally coming out. It was not so much offensive as simply embarrassing in how dated and stupid it was. (Then again, everything about that movie was painfully stereotypical - and I say this as a Woody Allen fan.)

by Anonymousreply 3708/28/2012

R31, why are limited the access of foreign correspondents to officials?

Give it up, luv.

by Anonymousreply 3808/28/2012

R38 - sentence or word puzzle?

by Anonymousreply 3908/28/2012

R8, your reply reeks of common sense.

How did you find yourself here?

by Anonymousreply 4008/28/2012

40 replies and I"m the first to mention that his second and third to the last movies there positive lesbian and bi female characters.

Kathy Bates's Gertrude Stein in Midnight in Paris.

Penelope Cruz and Scarlett Johansson in Vicky, Christina Barcelona.

Woody has not that I recall written a gay male principal or featured character but I don't expect it's because he's homophobic. I expect it's because he doesn't have much to really say about gay men. And I expect that's true. Accordingly, it's probably best that he stays mute on the subject.

by Anonymousreply 4108/28/2012

In Woody Allen's early films there were precious few openly gay characters in *any* films. The Hays office rules lingered into the 1960's and had lingering sympathies with Jack Valenti's MPAA. The idea of obviously gay characters in a film was something completely risky.

by Anonymousreply 4208/28/2012

Two things. One, how does Woody get attractive women like Diane Keaton and Mia Farrow?

Two, how did he produce such a beautiful child as that boy pictured above?

Three, does he have any other children?

No offense to Woody but he's not exactly the most attractive male in the world.

by Anonymousreply 4308/28/2012

I believe few people really know what makes Woody Allen tick. Who expected him to run off into the sunset with Soon-Yi? Woody never had ONE single Asian character in any of his films and bam he marries Soon-Yi, his former quasi-stepdaughter. This is just to show that you can't read anything from his films. It's all smoke and mirrors.

IMO, Woody is one messed up mf who's been hiding in plain sight. He's the kind of Ultra Alpha Male, who also happens to be a geek or nerd...he rarely thinks about other men (straight, gay, whatever...) and that includes his only biological child, who happens to be a boy. He doesn't seem to be too dejected by the fact that he has no relationship with his son. And there's a reason for that. Things would have been different if Mia had given birth to a girl.

by Anonymousreply 4508/28/2012

What is the point of this thread?

That Woody Allen's films aren't full of gay characters. So?

Ok, why is it about Woody Allen?

We can sit here overloading DL's servers going on and on listing films by nearly all filmmakers that don't have prominent gay characters.

Big fucking deal.

by Anonymousreply 4608/28/2012

In one film there's a typically self-pitying voiceover by the character Allen plays where he quotes an ancient philosopher, as some kind of antidote to his 'problems', then says 'But what did he know, he just knocked off Greek boys.'

There's the problem right there: reach for the wisdom of the ancients to show how serious you are, then dismiss the wisdom with a weak 'joke' based on further supposed knowledge.

Pseudo-intellectual and facetious gag-writer all in one. 'Midnight in Paris' was good though.

by Anonymousreply 4708/29/2012

r46...please kill yourself immediately

by Anonymousreply 4808/29/2012

[quote]Pseudo-intellectual and facetious gag-writer all in one.

Allen has said over and over again that he's not an intellectual. In fact, he says it's the one thing people misunderstand about him the most.

In his movies he plays a Jewish nerdy neurotic character with glasses. People seem to translate that into being an "intellectual".

You do realize he doesn't really talk in that whiny voice, don't you? It's all part of his character.

by Anonymousreply 4908/29/2012

r49-Brett Easton Ellis?

by Anonymousreply 5008/29/2012

There was also a gay character in Radio Days.

The aunt played by what's her name who can't find a boyfriend dates a man who breaks down in tears when he admits to her he's gay.

It is peculiar that Woody doesn't feature more gay men in his very New York movies, but he has/had a VERY limited social life, which Mia writes about in her book. He leads a very blinkered life.

by Anonymousreply 5108/29/2012

That he had Meryl be a lesbian in Manhattan was not some great positive portrayal of lesbians or gay life, it was just a joke - my wife left me and became a lesbian!

Likewise with the "lesbian" bit in Vicky Cristina - that was just some porn-inspired idea of lesbian (titillation), not some great positive portrayal of lesbianism.

by Anonymousreply 5208/29/2012

Homophobe = noun

Homophobic = adjective

by Anonymousreply 5308/29/2012

Gays are visible, but not schvartzes

by Anonymousreply 5408/29/2012

Woody was not particularly famous when he dated Diane, but I do agree about the Alpha Male comment that was made above, so maybe Diane found that attractive.

And is it really right to fault Woody for not having too many gay characters in his films when you consider that very few directors in Hollywood who are not gay themselves don't include gay characters? And even then, you have gay men like Ryan Murphy whose gay characters (Kurt on Glee, Quinto's character on American Horror Story, probably Andrew Ranell's character on The New Normal) are every bit as stereotypical as Reagan the robot. In fact the only filmmaker I can think of who has regularly featured non-stereotypical gays in his films is Ang Lee and he is straight.

by Anonymousreply 5508/29/2012

[quote]I thought her reaction was "phobic" though. She's just old and doesn't get it, they're both fossils who will die off soon as they should.

Mia has a gay daughter. She recently Tweeted a photo of her daughter and her daughter's girlfriend. They're a bi-racial couple. Somehow, I doubt Mia has a problem with anyone's sexual orientation or anyone's race.

by Anonymousreply 5608/29/2012

[quote]Woody was not particularly famous when he dated Diane

Sure he was. He had had big success as a comedian and he met her when she was cast in his Bway play "Play It Again, Sam"

by Anonymousreply 5708/29/2012

[quote]Penelope Cruz and Scarlett Johansson in Vicky, Christina Barcelona.

I forget that movie....was it gayness or two women trying to seduce a guy?

by Anonymousreply 5808/29/2012

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by Anonymousreply 5911/06/2012

His work can be really sexist. I can't say I've noticed evidence of homophobia.

by Anonymousreply 6011/06/2012

Homophobic? He's been far too busy with his own self hatred.

by Anonymousreply 6111/06/2012

He isn't anti-gay, more indifferent.

He's indifferent to anything outside his own head, and the wealthy little white straight world he inhabits.

by Anonymousreply 6211/06/2012

Woody Allen is a piece of shit so it wouldn't surprise me if he were homophobic, despite being a pedophile himself. He and Polanski are disgusting and it bothers me much of hollywood and their fanbases don't seem to care.

by Anonymousreply 6311/06/2012

M and her hair...

by Anonymousreply 6411/06/2012

I forgot that Meryl had such a beautiful mane of hair.

by Anonymousreply 6511/06/2012

{R51}: I think that gay character in Radio Days was crying because his boy friend left him, not because he was gay. Meanwhile, the look on Dianne Wiest's face when he tells her is fabulous. It must have taken a year at the Actors' Studio to get all those nuances in at once.

by Anonymousreply 6611/06/2012

Meryl wasn't beautiful as a young woman, but she did have the most amazing hair. I don't understand why it didn't stay beautiful, it looked frowsy by the time she tured forty. And she didn't starve herelf or bleach it ten shades too light, unlike most actresses.

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by Anonymousreply 6711/07/2012
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