Someone has commented on several threads about shootings tonight in Chicago so here is a thread about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||01/29/2013|
There are shootings in Chicago every night.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||07/04/2012|
12 in less than 9 hours though?
|by Anonymous||reply 2||07/04/2012|
Is Chicago really more dangerous than LA or NY?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||07/04/2012|
I guess this is working out rather well for Chicagoans.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||07/04/2012|
Unfortunately Chicago is one of the most violent cities in America, with around 600 murders a year.
My Dad is friends with someone on the Chicago police force and he said when you have that many homicides, there's no way to solve all of them because the moment a file lands on your desk, 3 more murders have occurred before you can begin your investigation.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||07/04/2012|
Here's the latest: "At least 15 people have been shot since 5 p.m. Tuesday in Chicago, including a 10-year-old girl and a man cooling off at an open fire hydrant in the Austin neighborhood on the West Side, authorities said."
I don't know what's happening but it's a huge disaster in Chicago week after week. Sorry to say that ever since Rahm has been mayor, the city has been out of control. Daley was keeping it more in control.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||07/04/2012|
There's a major heat wave going on. C'mon, people, grow a brain.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||07/04/2012|
They're having a big heatwave there so people are outside, antsy, hot, pissed. The homicide rate always spikes there when it's too hot out.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||07/04/2012|
Is it the work of one person on a shooting spree, or are these just random shootings throughout the city?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||07/04/2012|
R10, the homicide problem is not particular to the temperature - it's an ongoing issue in Chicago and has been for years.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||07/04/2012|
[quote]They're having a big heatwave there so people are outside, antsy, hot, pissed. The homicide rate always spikes there when it's too hot out.
Jesus, so now the weather is to blame for violent thuggery?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||07/04/2012|
No, R13, the hot weather exacerbates violent thuggery. This is a proven phenomenon, known for many decades.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||07/04/2012|
R14, it may make it worse, but it doesn't change the fact that it is an enormously violent city to begin with.
It has an above-average homicide rate all-year long.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||07/04/2012|
Yes there are always shootings in Chicago but it's well known that shootings are WORSE when it's hot.
People go outside more because they don't have air conditioning and thus more kids get into trouble and fights and people get shot.
The reason no one does anything about violence in Chicago though is that the only time the politicians care is when the shooting happens in the Loop or Gold Coast and that's still fairly rare (but not as rare as it used to be).
|by Anonymous||reply 16||07/04/2012|
Murders are up 50% since last year. That's not random crime. Somebody new is taking over.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||07/04/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 18||07/04/2012|
r17, we have had an abnormal heat wave this year actually.
So the heat theory actually can explain the 50 percent rise in murders.
But another part of it is fuck-ups in the Chicago P.D. and police cutbacks probably.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||07/04/2012|
[quote]Multiculturalism and contemptuous foreigners grabbing all the assets and power posts in the city.
Or gang wars among poverty-level blacks. Whatever.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||07/04/2012|
Did everyone get their free tall starbucks coffee today?
or were y'all a bunch of SUCKERS and miss out?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||07/04/2012|
[quote]Is Chicago really more dangerous than LA or NY?
Statistically, yes. There are very, very bad parts of Chicago and the ongoing gang situation results in a lot (though certainly not all) of these shootings.
But, I'd still say it's a perfectly fine city if you live/play in the right areas. The chances of being in one of the really bad areas is pretty slim. Though, obviously, you would want to be careful everywhere, and, yes, occasionally, the violence will spill into better areas. But, generally not.
It's like when I lived in St. Louis, another violent city with horrible statistics. I had a perfectly fine existence simply due to where I lived and where I went.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||07/04/2012|
Pat Fitzgerald just left his job. Watch the gangs get even more violent now.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||07/04/2012|
Obama is from Chicago.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||07/04/2012|
R25= Mitt Romney
|by Anonymous||reply 26||07/04/2012|
[post by racist shit-stain removed.]
|by Anonymous||reply 27||07/04/2012|
It must be those damn Norwegians again.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||07/04/2012|
Fact: rape and violent crime increases in hot weather. Move on, the answer is somewhere else
|by Anonymous||reply 30||07/04/2012|
Hormonal men losing their shit again and going bambam because they get "upset"?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||07/04/2012|
Anyone I know?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||07/04/2012|
Listen to the Americans talk about crime and murder. They'll bring up anything, including the weather, before they think of mentioning guns!
|by Anonymous||reply 33||07/04/2012|
R22 I grew up in Austin which according to America's most wanted, is the worst neighborhood in Chicago. I was so proud.
Went to Catholic School and a 5th grade field trip was to the Austin Police Station and among other fun things, we were fingerprinted. Came in handy (pun intended) when 2 classmates killed a dentist for $7.
Chicago is very segregated, always has been. One street belongs to one gang, another a different gang.
The problem now is that no one has ever tried to INTEGRATE them. Acculturate people to others. Now, it's born there, die there. They own the piece of shit they stand on.
Oh, whoever could get out, even to the North Side, has left. Blood in, blood out
|by Anonymous||reply 35||07/04/2012|
91 degrees and everything's fine. 93 and it's too hot to move. But 92 degrees - people get irritable!
|by Anonymous||reply 38||07/04/2012|
[quote]Unfortunately Chicago is one of the most violent cities in America, with around 600 murders a year.
What a sad, little, fucking amateur.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||07/04/2012|
Mayor Daley kept things in check. For the past 20 years, Chicago was a beautiful, clean city with low crime that brought in tourism and convention dollars. Say what you will, but he was able to get "the machine" to work.
Did he have mob ties? Who cares? I always felt safe when I was there.
I like Mayor Emmanuel, but if he doesn't get this thuggery under control, it's over for him.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||07/04/2012|
Urban myth, r34.
There were multiple assailants; possibly, but not definitively, the one Klan member alleged to be responsible for one murder.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||07/04/2012|
That's not really true. Many of these neighborhoods are middle class neighborhoods. Gangs are everywhere in and around Chicago. I remember walking around my upper middle class neighborhood and seeing gang signs all over the place.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||07/04/2012|
I still rather live in Chicago with the violence then in NYC with all their rats, roaches and bedbugs.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||07/04/2012|
The Oak Park Police patrol the Austin border as if it were a war zone...
|by Anonymous||reply 46||07/04/2012|
R42, putting your questionable racial attitudes to the side for the moment, it is indeed true that violent crime rates dropped in Chicago over the past 20 years nearly as much as they did in NYC and every other major city in the U.S. It's also true that Chicago, similar to NYC and L.A. and a number of other large cities, has a persistent crime problem in areas dominated by poor blacks, particularly in and around housing projects. While Cabrini Green was bulldozed long ago, it was merely a symbol of an intractable problem that isn't a result of a poorly designed series of buildings.
The bigger question is why homicide rates in Chicago are, seemingly anomalously, up 38% this year vs. last. An increase in gang warfare is one probable cause, but what was the impetus for gangs regaining strength lost long ago? It's certainly not weather -- although Chicago did have one of its warmest winters on record -- nor can its new mayor shoulder the blame alone. My brother happens to be a criminology professor who did his graduate dissertation on Chicago crime, which is one reason why I happen to know a fair amount about it; I'll ask him next time I see him if he's done any new research on this topic.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||07/04/2012|
Definitely not true at all @r40. Everything was not rainbows and butterflies when Daley was at the helm. Statistically, Chicago has always been infested with street crime and violence. This phenomenon did not begin with the Emmanuel Administration.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||07/04/2012|
r47, ask your brother if he thinks this is, in fact, a "Chicago" problem, or even a "black" problem for that matter.
I've always thought of it as an international issue with local implications.
It's stupid to think that a local police force could control a sophisticated criminal organization with influence not only in other cities, but other countries-not to mention the prison system.
The Blood and the Crips are thought of as pervasive corner traffic, which isn't true from what I've read.
It also raises the question of to whom are they allied, and who is the ultimate supplier. For all you horrendous racists on here, a hint: the majority aren't black.
Google Rick Ross (Freeway Rick, not the rapper) and it makes interesting reading. No, I'm not wearing a tin hat.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||07/04/2012|
I never heard of a time when gangs weren't powerful in Chicago. They own Chicago and guns are everywhere.
If the mothers and grandmothers in the neighborhoods would collect up all the guns and throw them in the lake, there might be a change. If the NRA didn't run this country, we might be more like Canada or Europe.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||07/04/2012|
Chicago violent crime map.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||07/04/2012|
It's not about guns exactly because Chicago actually has the most restrictive gun laws in the country.
Illinois is the only state in the U.S. that the NRA hasn't gotten to approve at least some form of concealed carry and Chicago until a Supreme Court ruling a couple of years ago completely banned handgun ownership.
As for Chicago having higher crime rates than NYC, am I the only one who thinks Bloomberg and the NYPD are just better at covering that shit up? I think they're a lot more aggressive with stop-and-frisk too.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||07/04/2012|
r51, Canada isn't immune-it just isn't reported the same way.
Canada is in the middle of a country-wide gang war for control of the drug trade in emerging markets (specifically the Western boom towns).
Some asshole shot up the food court at the Eaton Centre in Metro TO over a dispute that started in Edmonton.
The media reports these incidents as unrelated with bullshit phrases like "possible gang links."
TPTB, including law enforcement, are paid to look the other way, with the stipulation that no civilians are harmed.
Unfortunately, no one gives a shit about the low rent kids who are drawn into this, both black and white.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||07/04/2012|
r53, it's not the laws, it's the enforcement.
It is still about guns to a certain extent.
And yes, the NYPD are much better at covering it up. The Village Voice did an excellent series on it.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||07/04/2012|
I think Bogata probably has near 2,000 murders a year and I don't think it's black people.
After 300 years of being treated worse than animals, how can you expect African Americans to act like thieving US Bankers? Bankers don't have to use guns...they just use congress and they get whatever the fuck they want and Republicans get their pockets picked, same as the Democrates.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||07/04/2012|
"The homicide rate always spikes there when it's too hot out."
Doesn't seem to happen in my town. I'm going to sit and make a list of differences between my town and Chicago and see if I can figure out why. Anyway, I thought you weren't allowed to have guns in Chicago?
|by Anonymous||reply 57||07/04/2012|
[post by racist shit-stain removed.]
|by Anonymous||reply 60||07/04/2012|
Are people getting killed with slingshots?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||07/04/2012|
Yeah right. All those husbands that shoot their wives or the children who accidentally kill their friends...those aren't legal guns? You live in a dream world. 350 kids killed every month in the US, playing with their parents legal weapons.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||07/04/2012|
A list of Chicago homocides in 2012 so far.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||07/04/2012|
Legalize all drugs. There, I just saved 600 lives.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||07/04/2012|
Linear Caballero is white?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||07/04/2012|
U.S. government statistics hide Latino murderer rates by categorizing them as white but don't hide Latino victims. The government does this pattern of putting bad Latino statistics in with white statistics while at the same time have seperate categories for good or victim Latino statistics. Several months ago I looked at the Wikipedia page for El Paso, Texas and found that according to the government the vast majority of those on welfare are "white" while the city is largely Latino.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||07/04/2012|
I know why they do it. Your description was close. They add perps and victims as White to up the statistics for Whites so the data is more politically correct. The exact terms the DOJ uses is Non White Caucasian.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||07/04/2012|
Funny, all four of the people I know who were shot and killed, all white. Two women. Two young boys. All shot by whites. Four different situations. Two murders, two accidents.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||07/04/2012|
If we would legalize drugs at least pot...charge taxes, it would make a real difference. Except all those drug testing companies, maybe they would go out of business?
|by Anonymous||reply 69||07/04/2012|
And where would the thugs get the money to buy the drugs?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||07/04/2012|
[quote]Criminals NEVER obtain guns the legal way
Neither do department store heiresses!
|by Anonymous||reply 71||07/04/2012|
If it was cheap like booze, they could get money from working. R70, and please, do go fuck yourself with your micropenis, r72
|by Anonymous||reply 73||07/04/2012|
R51 is correct about gun laws outside the US - in a bad year, Toronto has about 60 murders, which is 10% of a bad Chicago year. If you're walking around with a hand gun, the cops are empowered to arrest you & confiscate the gun. It doesn't stop gun crime altogether but it sure slows it down.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||07/04/2012|
If I met R72, I wouldn't need a gun. There are other ways to accomplish the perfect ending.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||07/04/2012|
You want to give me your address? I'm free for the next couple of days.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||07/04/2012|
Chicago had 14 people shot on Tuesday night, a level of violence not seen on a consistent basis for more than twenty years.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||07/05/2012|
In 2002, I was a substitute teacher for CPS. I'd walk to the schools from the "L" in Austin, Pilsen, Garfield Park, and Englewood. A week didn't go by when I didn't see someone (often one of our students) on the street with a gun. Fast forward 10 years and I would never walk in those neighborhoods. What breaks my heart is that the children don't have that choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||07/05/2012|
26 people shot in 24 hours July 4.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||07/06/2012|
R77 Tape it so all can enjoy it.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||07/07/2012|
Thanks R63. No murders at my address in Austin, but Pulaski & Irving Park ain't the great neighborhood it once was.
Spreadsheets are both tidy and horrific
|by Anonymous||reply 82||07/07/2012|
Today Chicago has reached the 500 mark. What a miles stone. It's the first time since 2008 since the nations #3 city went above the half thousand mark.
But it's still a far cry from the 900s Chicago experienced in the early 1990s.
Police blame clandestine homosexual activity for the increase.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||12/28/2012|
I be from She-cogg-er
I grad-gee-ate-ed the twelf grade.
I can reeds and rites reel good now.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||12/28/2012|
The night Chicago died.
It was originally written as The night a Chicano died.
But then it was decided that was too racist, even for the 70s.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||12/29/2012|
Anyone here in Chicago? What the hell is going on there? 5 people killed so far this weekend.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||01/27/2013|
Just read an article which said a mother just lost her youngest son, making the fourth of her five children to die by gunshot. I forget which site it was on (I think it was Yahoo) but some of the comments were beyond disgusting.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||01/27/2013|
I've lived in many areas that butt up to the worst of these neighborhoods and one block can be the difference between relatively safe and war zone. The gangs generally do not go looking for trouble outside their zone. You can feel the minute you drive from a safe area to a bad one. It's creepy.
I would sometimes drive through W Garfield Park from the highway to my house in Logan square because it was so quick but it was like driving through some post apocalyptic nightmare. No women or children out in the middle of the day, stores all boarded up. Only black men. No plants or grass, all grey.
I would just hold my breath for five minute and avoid making eye contact. Stupid looking back but I also used to stay at my exes place in Humbolt Park, I don't know why his roommate rented the place there, they were not latino. The walk from the car to the building was scary. All night long gunshots and sirens. I finally said no more and never went back.
It's not like I lived in super white neighborhoods, I mostly lived in mixed latino on the way to being gentrified neighborhoods that had a good mix of people. The Puerto Rican neighbors were great and we had fun block parties.
I once lived in a semi-iffy neighborhood and waited tables until late in the morning and always hated having to park far from my house. One night I took a cab and went to the convenience store for smoke. The Guys who owned it were Albanian and always looked out for me and my roommates. As I was leaving one of them pulled me back in and pointed his gun I had never seen and two guys who had their own guns whose backs were to the wall waiting to rob me. They escorted me home. Should have bought them something nice but I was too young to think about it.
Still, I love Chicago even though this part makes me sad. You don't see or think about it though unless you live in a bad area.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||01/27/2013|
It's all about racist. Chicago is so fucking racist it's ridiculous. The police are always hassling African Americans, you can't but expect them to be hostile.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||01/28/2013|
R93 fuck off. Hopefully you will have an accident cleaning your gun
|by Anonymous||reply 94||01/29/2013|
What do you expect from Shitcago? It's a crime-ridden shithole (and I'm from Illinois, so I should know). I try to never go there unless I absolutely have to. It's dirty, violent, and the people are bitches.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||01/29/2013|