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Rachel Maddow said that she isn't a Democrat.

The conversation soon shifted to the "war on drugs," which Gillespie denounced while he was denouncing the Fast and Furious case. Maher agreed that it was a terrible policy. Maddow then chimed in.

"I feel so contrarian I feel like a narc," she said. "Like I'm against the drug war too but I just want to disagree with you the way you talk about it."

"You should not be forced by your Democratic partisanship —" Gillespie said.

"I’m just trying to say a nice thing, and already, ‘You’re a hack!’" Maddow cried. "Listen, dude, I’m not even a Democrat!"

"You will always take the side of a Democrat over a Republican," Gillespie replied.

"No, I won’t," Maddow shot back. "You don’t even know me."

"I've seen your show," Gillsepie said.

"You're spectacular, man," Maddow said. Later, she wondered aloud what was going on. "What are you mad about?" she said. "Why don't we talk about what you're mad about?"

by Anonymousreply 10002/09/2015

Anyone who has been listening to and been a fan of Rachel for a long time knows this already. I've been listening to her since 2004 when she was on Air America.

She has always said that she is a policy liberal, not a partisan. The Democrats and Republicans are a political party. Liberals and Conservatives are ideological and more focused on policies.

Know the difference.

by Anonymousreply 106/23/2012

That Reason Magazine guy always filibusters when he's on.

by Anonymousreply 206/23/2012

I love Rachel Maddow.

by Anonymousreply 306/23/2012

I used to love her, then she devoted half her show to Corey Booker (in order for him to redeem himself after he criticized Obama on MTP for going after Romney's Bain record) - and she trashed liberals in her introduction to him.

She had him on her show because they were long time friends from her days at Standford. I couldn't believe it. It was like everything I always thought she stood for just went down the drain, just so she could help a personal friend who got himself into hot water.

So I have to question her journalistic ethics as well as her loyalties. I used to watch her show several nights a week and now I rarely watch it.

by Anonymousreply 406/23/2012

Well R4, you know she's a LESBIAN. And you know what that means.

by Anonymousreply 506/23/2012

Seriously are we sure she's a lesbian? I know plenty of mannish women who crave dick.

by Anonymousreply 606/23/2012

What are her "loyalties?" To Obama? She pissed you off because she had on Booker who criticized Obama? This is what people are talking about when they talk about the cult of Obama. r4 has a vendetta against anyone who criticizes Obama. Grow up! He's the President, not your father.

Booker was the story of the day and everyone wanted to interview him. He had been trashed by the partisan left and praised by the right. The one voice we had not heard from since his MTP appearance was Booker himself. She allowed him to respond to the right-wing's "praise." Whether or not you agree with what he did, allowing him to respond to both critics and faux-supporters is what journalism is about.

If you don't watch her show anymore, who cares? I think Rachel will do fine in whatever medium she's in.

by Anonymousreply 706/23/2012

Are any of these people supposed to represent me and my views about anything? I didn't elect any of them to any position. Why atre they talking as if I care what they think? Why are you posting what they say as if they were important?

by Anonymousreply 806/23/2012

Calm down, R7. I don't even like Obama and voted for Hillary in my state's primary - but I do want him to beat Romney and would think you would, too. And people like Booker make that harder. In case you haven't heard, this is an ELECTION year.

Plus, I just don't like Booker. Trying to privatize WATER is something no REAL Democrat would do...but you go ahead an defend him.

I think what Rachel did was unethical. She never would have had that guy on her show if he wasn't a personal friend.

by Anonymousreply 906/23/2012

and now you're accusing me of defending Booker? What a twisted partisan mind you have.

r9 your mind is so twisted in thinking that any Democrat who criticizes Obama should be silenced. It's illogical. First of all, Booker made his statements and it was all over the news and it was unrelenting. Whether or not he appeared on Rachel's show, our mainstream media wasn't going to stop talking about the faux-controversy. Booker was going to have to "defend" his statement again on a national news show. The difference is that on Rachel's show, he was allowed to just speak (and boy did he ever go on and on).

Any other mainstream media outlet and I would guarantee you there will be another gotcha moment and soundbites they can play over and over. As Booker is prone to put a foot in his mouth, that wouldn't be hard.

Blaming Rachel for getting a scoop that every journalist wanted? Unrealistic world you live in.

by Anonymousreply 1006/23/2012

I detest this aspect of campaigning. Instead of microscopically examining every possible facet of some potentially controversial thing someone said, they should talk about how the hell we're going to fix health care, and why no wall street criminals are in prison.

But the medical insurance industry is too tied in with the corporate media, so all we get is fluff.

by Anonymousreply 1106/23/2012

Like she doesn't vote Democrat down the line. I've discovered less is more whenit comes to Rachel.

by Anonymousreply 1206/23/2012

Gillespie is a douchebag.

by Anonymousreply 1306/23/2012

She's like me. She knows that government is by and large, evil or at least stupid, but when faced with an "alternative" such as Republicans, she'll vote Democrat every time. She knows (like I do) that Americans aren't quite ready for what we imagine is the perfect style of government. We're like the people in ancient Egypt who said "I don't think the king IS God, maybe just appointed by God...Now everyone thinks that they're God b/c they get to vote every 4 years. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are the same. Call us "Classical Liberals" I only call myself libertarian here.

by Anonymousreply 1406/23/2012

I just can't get past MSNBC being owned by GE and having those oil corporation promotions on every commercial break. Seeing the first Occupy protesters sentenced to jail time in New York City this past week after the judge said guilty in a make believe trial proves we all should have evolved from liberal tv to liberal activism a long time ago.

by Anonymousreply 1506/23/2012

Gillespie is all 'look at me, i'm so cool in my leather jacket, and i'm a libertarian, kids! and the government is bad...'

So puerile and stupid. I can't tell if he knows better, and is just an attention whore who lives for these punditry gigs, or he's just kind of dim.

Nobody ever asks these clowns what they think the legit functions of government are.

by Anonymousreply 1606/23/2012

Rachel is the one show I can bear to watch.

My attitude is this: Those shows are like any other TV show, or soap opera….they are making 250 episodes a year. And not all of them are home runs.

But Rachel does her homework, and although I don't agree with every point she makes, I know that her and her team do relentless factchecking, and I respect and appreciate that.

She's also the one person in the cesspool of those talk shows - either side - who reaches out to people on the other side. She's never rude, or disrespectful. She DOES expect them to answer questions and not just give unrelated PR babble, and they've often grilled her for that (like when she had the Rapture book authors on) but she at least makes an effort, something no person on Fox does.

I find most people dislike her for the same reasons people dislike the grammar trolls on here. They find a way to make it about her, somehow, because it's hard to find fault with the way she does things.

by Anonymousreply 1706/23/2012

Thank you R16, that's what I instinctively thought about Gillespie the few times I've seen him, but you put it into words better than I ever could.

by Anonymousreply 1806/23/2012

I didn't like her on Bill Maher. I never like her. She is a liberal Ann Coulter.

by Anonymousreply 1906/23/2012

R19 Please explain your comment. I think you're absolutely wrong, as Ann Coulter talks out of her ass all the time with no supporting facts.

by Anonymousreply 2006/23/2012

R9 should should choke on a bag of cocks.

by Anonymousreply 2106/23/2012

Nuanced Thinking Alert: DL Beware!!!

Bill Clinton signed the repeal of Glass Steagall Act, which many people point to as the beginning of the current economic crisis.

Barack Obama signed the NDAA law.

I would never vote for a republican. But I often hold my nose while voting for a democrat.

by Anonymousreply 2206/23/2012

Gillespie is what I like to call a Kochsucking Libertarian. He's why moral people don't call themselves libertarian (and rightly so, thanks asshole). Nice leather jacket, douchebag.

by Anonymousreply 2306/23/2012

A good portion on the left are policy liberals and not partisan liberals which is why it's hard for Democrats to organize.

by Anonymousreply 2406/23/2012

No longer have TV and haven't followed political commentary for years since trying to stay sober. Used to love Rachel.

Would someone please explain to me on what basis Booker criticized Obama for attacking Romney's atrocious practices with Bain?

by Anonymousreply 2506/23/2012

She said last night that she never takes sides. BULLSHIT.

by Anonymousreply 2606/23/2012

Libertarians just like being assholes. That's their deal. They don't believe in government for any reason. The free market will cure all.

I wish they would find a country where they could ply this ideaology until their heart's content. The problem is they are all in the wrong country, but instead of leaving and finding some country that's willing to practice this douchebaggery they stay here and try to convince us all what a great idea it is with their sparkling wit and dazzling personalities.

by Anonymousreply 2706/23/2012

R22 makes a good point. Obviously one has to support the Democrats because they are better the Republicans and because they do SOME good things while the Republicans do NONE.

But today's Democratic Party is a shell of its former self. There are several books out there documenting why this is. Over the past 50 or so years, the Democrats have allowed themselves to be pushed farther and farther to the right by the Republicans. They have allowed the New Deal and Great Society to be rolled back and no longer fight for major social programs or policy initiatives.

Obama and Clinton are farther to the right than FDR, LBJ, Eisenhower and Nixon.

by Anonymousreply 2806/23/2012

The Primaries are this Tuesday in New York. We know she's not a Republican and since Independents can't vote in a primary, if Rachel shows up at her WestBeth polling location everyone there will know the answer.

by Anonymousreply 2906/23/2012

Compared to Obama, JFK was a right of center Republican.

by Anonymousreply 3006/23/2012

[quote]She said last night that she never takes sides. BULLSHIT.

She does take sides... the side of facts. This frequently has her criticizing Democrats as well as Republicans.

[quote]Compared to Obama, JFK was a right of center Republican.

Um, no. Obama is a moderate centrist and corporatist. JFK was MUCH more liberal.

by Anonymousreply 3106/23/2012

Um, R6? She's as openly gay as they get. Talks about her partner frequently on the show.

by Anonymousreply 3206/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 3306/23/2012

R33, what on earth are you going on about? What can you possibly take as "whining" in R31? Do you even know what the word "whine" means? Because I have to wonder...

by Anonymousreply 3406/23/2012

r29 Rachel is a resident of Northampton, MA. If she votes, she's voting there. You're not going to find her voting in NY.

by Anonymousreply 3506/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 3606/23/2012

Thanks for confirming that you're a complete moron, R36.

by Anonymousreply 3706/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 3806/23/2012

r29, Rachel lives in the West Village and works in Manhattan five-days-a-week which is 240 days a year. The law requires physical presence of 183 days to prove residence in a state. If she claims Massachusetts as her home, the Bay State and IRS should be on the alert.

by Anonymousreply 3906/23/2012

She's a liberal, not a democrat. No big news there. She's more informed on the issues than most of the politicians we're cajoled into voting for.

by Anonymousreply 4006/23/2012

if she's catholic she's probably a christian socialist

by Anonymousreply 4106/23/2012

Calling you a moron isn't whining, wingnut troll, it's an irrefutable statement of fact. (Correct that to "childish moron".)

You get right on that, R39.

by Anonymousreply 4206/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 4306/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 4406/23/2012

R44, that would be a huge loss for this country and The American People.

by Anonymousreply 4506/23/2012

He's so handsome and all you guys fawn all over Anderson Cooper. I just don't get it.

by Anonymousreply 4606/23/2012

43/44 has a disorder.

by Anonymousreply 4706/23/2012

The guy in the fake leather jacket did get Rachel and Bill to start bad mouthing the democrats...

by Anonymousreply 4806/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 4906/23/2012

That's because you're an ignorant idiot, R49.

by Anonymousreply 5006/23/2012

I can't blame her. I'm a neo-liberal, not a Democrat. Dems are pussies. I want the right called out for every lie, every hypocrisy and I don't want to pay for shit in red states. I want a bowl of popcorn and an Eames chair as I watch natural disasters take down the middle of the country with zero federal aid going their way. Let's see how self-sufficient they really are when they don't have the blue states paying for them.

I'll pay for my blue state welfare mothers. Hicks can pay for their own states.

by Anonymousreply 5106/23/2012

"Can not" is one word, you dumb fuck.

by Anonymousreply 5206/23/2012

So, how many of darlings have now put a curse on RM because she is not a Democrat?

Come on now...fess up sweeties.

by Anonymousreply 5306/23/2012

(R7) I love this: "the cult of Obama".


That's almost better than Obamabots.


by Anonymousreply 5406/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 5506/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 5606/23/2012

R55 = More evidence that everything conservatives and republicans say about liberals or democrats, is actually just projection of what is true of themselves.

I have to wonder what it's like going through life getting everything so completely backwards.

by Anonymousreply 5706/23/2012

R56, are you EVER going to learn how to use a comma? EVER?

R56 = 40 year old racist loser. He admits it.

by Anonymousreply 5806/23/2012

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by Anonymousreply 5906/23/2012

She's a Democratic Party apologist, and this was clear when she said that she was a Eisenhower voter. Listen, I'm a fan of many of the things Eisenhower did and stood for, BUT he banned homosexuals from working in the US government. Her dyke ass would have been blacklisted.

Liberals call themselves Progressives, because "Liberal" is a dirty word. They also won't admit to being Democrats most of the time, just like they did during the Bush years.

Rachel is a coward. She tries to make herself more appealing by pretending not to be partisan. She's your typical, "I'm an Independent". Yes, and so is Bill O'Reilly, babe. I'm surprised she came out as gay, since she knows that turns off most of the country.

She's a dirtbag.

by Anonymousreply 6006/23/2012

How can she have been an Eisenhower voter when she wasn't even born then?

And Eisenhower was in power at a time when everyone was banning gays, so there's no point in singling him out for that.

by Anonymousreply 6106/23/2012

Ignore the freeper troll. Go fuck yourself, r60.

by Anonymousreply 6206/23/2012

everyone knows Rachel is Lesbian American

by Anonymousreply 6306/23/2012

Rachel has been out for ages.

by Anonymousreply 6406/23/2012

r60 is clearly a Rove-ian disinformationist. Don't take the bait.

Rachel is a fact-based reporter and analyst. She is not an official PR arm of the democratic party. As she said on Bill Maher, what she believes in personally is really beside the point, her job is to report and comment on various issues and policy considerations.

Sadly 'balanced' now often means 'consider the stupid/illogical perspective'. This is often spouted by a Republican. Just because Rachel doesn't often include the stupid/illogical perspective doesn't mean she's officially a Democrat, even though it might seem that way, because she doesn't usually give airtime or consideration to the stupid people, who just happen to usually be Republican.

Got it? It's really not a partisan thing at all.

by Anonymousreply 6506/23/2012

[quote]Ignore the freeper troll. Go fuck yourself, [R60].

Go fuck YOURSELF, Freeperbot! I just called out DINOS, dickhead. You are one, and need a broom shoved up your twat!

by Anonymousreply 6606/23/2012

[quote]Obama and Clinton are farther to the right than FDR, LBJ, Eisenhower and Nixon.

And yet she bashes Clinton, but keeps sucking Obama's dick for Michelle.

by Anonymousreply 6706/23/2012

I'm not a Democrat either. I only vote for and donate to Democratic candidates; however, I absolutely refuse to give money to the DNC.

by Anonymousreply 6806/23/2012

[quote]Libertarians just like being assholes. That's their deal. They don't believe in government for any reason. The free market will cure all.

Wrong (well, the part about being assholes may have some truth to it). Most libertarians believe in government doing what government does best, AND NOTHING MORE.

See, that's really not so hard to understand. Try not to get confused again.

by Anonymousreply 6906/23/2012

I have never seen Rachel's show but I loved her in the clip before Real Time. Fake leather Jacket Guy did make her look bad..

Demos are pussies but what other choice do we have?

by Anonymousreply 7006/23/2012

R69, except they think the government doesn't do anything well, so....

Because it's clear that they hate the concept of single payer universal health care, and yet it's clear that government DOES do that well (Medicare in this country, or any number of systems in other countries, all FAR more efficient and cost effective than our private system).

They're very short sighted, and completely ignorant of history, and how and why things like social safety nets evolved, regulations, etc.

There's a reason most libertarians are upper middle class white men with a good education. They have no clue about their own level of privilege, and have no concept of how half the people in this country live. They don't take into account illness, disability, mental illness and disability, or anything else. They're extremely self-absorbed and selfish, and very quick to volunteer other people for suffering the consequences of their ideology.

Never mind that never in the history of the world has any sort of "libertarian" social order ever worked.

by Anonymousreply 7106/23/2012


by Anonymousreply 7206/24/2012

Thank you R71.

by Anonymousreply 7306/24/2012

r61 saying "How can she have been an Eisenhower voter when she wasn't even born then?" reminded me of Hillary Clinton claiming to be named after Sir Edmond Hillary. One problem. She was born six years before he climbed Mount Everest and was unknown until then.

by Anonymousreply 7406/24/2012

Libertarianism my work in a place like Idaho where there are more cows than people. Otherwise it's a selfish fantasy.

by Anonymousreply 7506/24/2012

I don't care what she calls herself, I want her inside me. Deeply.

by Anonymousreply 7606/24/2012

"What are you mad about?" she said. "Why don't we talk about what you're mad about?"

This is good. It should be said to all of the foaming-at-the-mouth Republicans, "libertarians," and psychos that are on TV.

by Anonymousreply 7706/24/2012

me, too, R76.

by Anonymousreply 7806/24/2012

R71, is there anything you don't think government does well? Perhaps we can start by agreeing on some of these and you might find you're more "Libertarian" than you think.

by Anonymousreply 7906/24/2012

Nick Gillespie ruined the show. That's what he does. He doesn't just have opinions, he has to interrupt and talk over everyone else and shout people down and try to make them answer his assumptions about them.

Asshole. I'm adding him to my list of Bill Maher guests who, when I see their names in the crawl a the beginning of the show, I go watch something else.

Horrible poseur.

by Anonymousreply 8006/24/2012


by Anonymousreply 8106/24/2012

Amazing interview with her in Rolling Stone. Lots of behind-the-scenes stuff and a great pic of her and her gal.

by Anonymousreply 8207/06/2012

Preach r65!

The Rolling Stone article has some great material but the bit about women and lesbians (or any minority, really) not being aloud to show anger is quite to the point.

[quote]"Anger is like sugar in a cocktail," Maddow tells me. "I'd rather have none at all than a grain too much."

[quote]But this time, apparently, she lets a grain too much show. "Rachel, I love how passionate you are," Castellanos says, coolly pivoting the argument from the facts to her barely contained fury.

[quote]"That's really condescending," Maddow replies.

[quote]This is Maddow's battle with television: to try to bring a different, more objective model of inquiry to a world of political talking points. Later that week, conferring with her staff, Maddow recounts what had actually flickered across her mind in that instant with Castellanos. "I wanted to say, 'Are you saying I'm cute when I'm angry?'" she recalls. "But I didn't, because when you're a woman on television, you can't even say the word angry."

Fucking spot on. She delivers facts and does so tactfully.

by Anonymousreply 8307/06/2012

Corey Booker is a revolting mess of a rightwing republican disguised as a democrat. Rachel let him off the hook. I will never trust her again.

by Anonymousreply 8407/06/2012

Lesbians who want Rachel inside you, I'm curious, are you speaking of her hand?

by Anonymousreply 8507/06/2012

You're silly, R74. It's possible that's what Clinton's parents told her. At any rate, I hardly see it as a major offense. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of some of the rather enormous lies we've been told in the course of politics and government.

by Anonymousreply 8607/06/2012

R1: Pretty much. I've been watching her since the start of her show, too, and agree with her outlook, being an Independent whom is very socially liberal.

I actually saw that episode and Gillespie looked very foolish. He was taking contrary positions the entire program just to prove how "open minded" he was. *nods with R16's depiction*

by Anonymousreply 8707/06/2012

are the photos only in the print edition, R82?

by Anonymousreply 8807/06/2012

r84. I don't know the interview you're speaking of but I love it when she has conservative guests one. For all I've seen she does well with them, meets them point by point and she retains control of the conversation without being a bully.

These kinds of conversations are changing the shouting back and forth rhetoric that dominates most media. She brings conservative viewers to the show and, well, at least leads them to clearer (more factual) waters – even if they don't want to drink it.

I have heard that Olberman's people changed the tune of his show after they realized how good Maddow was doing.

by Anonymousreply 8907/06/2012

Yes, of course, r88 but if you google you'll find them. Look on tumblr.

by Anonymousreply 9007/06/2012

She's been all over the Obama Administration about this Drone shit. Her program has been one of the most outspoken about it.

by Anonymousreply 9102/08/2013

She is a democrat. I wonder has she ever voted for a Republican. Because she always likes to tear them to pieces on her show. If it quacks like a duck- it is a duck. Stop trying to play cute.

by Anonymousreply 9202/08/2013

fuck off r92.

People who are liberal can vote Democrat or they might vote for a green party ticket, or something.

We're not all lockstep party-or-die morons like Rethuglicans.

by Anonymousreply 9302/10/2013

The cuter thing is that r92 really believes there are only 2 parties in this world.

by Anonymousreply 9402/10/2013

So many Democrats are self-loathing. They make it that they are either not Democrats, or only Democrats because the Right is against (insert issue like gay marriage - once Republicans are pro, said individual will change pol affiliation). Just own it, and be proud of it, goddamnit! It's the same with the 'progressives,' who don't want to be labeled 'liberals.' Chris Matthews used to make fun of this.

by Anonymousreply 9502/10/2013

Bullshit r95. Its the Republicans that are calling themselves "independents" or "libertarians" because they're too embarrassed by their own sinking party.

by Anonymousreply 9602/11/2013

Rachel said "Moo" tonight. I don't know why yet. I am a big proponent of the bovine race. I supose this might mean anything. I'm waiting for the commercials to end so this will all be explained.

I don't get out a lot.

by Anonymousreply 9702/09/2015

So far we've had an owl; plus some hints of quacking; and a teaser for a couple of bears, but nothing of the bovine persuasion.

by Anonymousreply 9802/09/2015

Damn it! There was no mooing or even an allusion to mooing for the remainder of the show. Nothing, absolutely nothing. I want my 34 minutes back. And I trusted her, too.

by Anonymousreply 9902/09/2015

It's impossible to have any brand of serious discussion if Ed Gillespie is part of it. The man simply has no credibility.

by Anonymousreply 10002/09/2015
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