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At what point do we just start killing the rich?

It's becoming increasingly harder for me to control myself and not just start slaughtering the rich.

It's time that they die.

by Anonymousreply 60505/31/2015

Violence is not the answer, my friend!

by Anonymousreply 106/06/2012

OMG OMG The Montreal Gay Porn Canabal is back!!!!

by Anonymousreply 206/06/2012

Armed revolt by the populace is pretty much inevitable now; it'll happen in a few more years, once people realize that the economy will not get fixed.

by Anonymousreply 406/06/2012

Just eat 'em

by Anonymousreply 506/06/2012

and all those duped freepers have guns. Once they realize that they have been shafted for years and years it will be a revolution.

by Anonymousreply 606/06/2012

In all seriousness, history has shown that revolutions are necessary in order to effect major change.

The sexual revolution, women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, worker's rights etc.

by Anonymousreply 806/06/2012

OP, I agree with you, but I fortunately have a lower level of anger about it. I recommend engaging in small acts of civil disobedience. It calms the anger. You can steal their sunglasses at the grocery, key their expensive cars, etc. It's fun too

by Anonymousreply 906/06/2012

Don't forget the French revolution, R8!

by Anonymousreply 1006/06/2012

I recommend a nice dookie pie.

by Anonymousreply 1106/06/2012

Remember, democracy becomes active when you participate! Tag, you're it!

by Anonymousreply 1206/06/2012

Why do you think the rich live in gated seclusion? It's so that when the plebes do get sick of being screwed and erupt into violent disobedience, it's their own communities they destroy and not those of the real thieves and villains.

by Anonymousreply 1306/06/2012

I know what you mean OP. I work in a very wealthy area and everyday it is getting harder and harder to stomach them.

They reek of entitlement in everything they do and why shouldn't they? They have lived (perhaps for many of them, their entire lives) for years with practically everyone they come into contact with, kissing their asses.

They have zero humility and no interest in anyone that isn't on their level financially and socially.

by Anonymousreply 1406/06/2012

[quote]Canabal is back!!

Oh dear

by Anonymousreply 1506/06/2012

Don't worry about the rich, we have plans of our own. Plus we are FAR better equipped to make our plan work.

by Anonymousreply 1706/06/2012

[quote]In all seriousness, history has shown that revolutions are necessary in order to effect major change. The sexual revolution, women's rights, gay rights, civil rights, worker's rights etc.

All of which were accomplished without revolution.

(Hint: "revolution" can be a metaphor for a shift in values)

by Anonymousreply 1906/06/2012

Then what, OP?

by Anonymousreply 2006/06/2012

Coming to a town square (can't come soon enough)near you, soon.

by Anonymousreply 2206/06/2012

Don't forget to put the rock in your purse. It will make for a better weapon.

by Anonymousreply 2306/06/2012

I know a lot of people in the food industry. Many rich people eat spit on a frequent basis. I worked in a coat check several years back Got a bit drunk one night and rubbed my butt crack all over some gash 's fur coat. It was during the Madoff time.

by Anonymousreply 2406/06/2012

From what I've seen Americans are perfectly comfortable being Swamp People watching Keeping Up With The Kardassians.

by Anonymousreply 2506/06/2012

Oh R24, they ARE coming, in fact they are already here and ready to roll. You may be shocked to find out who they are meant for though, how many guillotines and concentration camps do poor people have?

by Anonymousreply 2606/06/2012

I like riding the crowded bus up Madison. Many of the old hags take the bus a few blocks to get to yet another high end botique. I enjoy sitting while they stand and stare at me. I rub my dick and lick my lips and stare back at them. Occasionally, I'll follow them off the bust just to creep them out. Rich old ladies are such easy targets.

by Anonymousreply 2706/06/2012

I live on the UES and I see entitled rich people every day. Yes, they are cunts. Both the men and the women.

by Anonymousreply 2806/06/2012

I enjoy making rich people nervous. I told one the other day that my left titty nipple has an eyeball. It was at Little Pie Company on 43rd and she had to wait on her pie to be boxed. I just laughed and scratched mt left tit.

by Anonymousreply 2906/06/2012

R27, It`s not surprising you are poor , since you are stupid enough to think rich ladies ride the bus.

by Anonymousreply 3006/06/2012

Very nicely done R29. You do realize the prisons are simply full of people who make rich people nervous , don't you?

That's why we have the guillotines and the camps. we just cannot keep on building new prisons forever can we now?

by Anonymousreply 3106/06/2012

Simmer down people!

by Anonymousreply 3206/06/2012

OP = freeper troll trying to gin up some anti-rich statements he can use to prove how horrible the gays are.

by Anonymousreply 3306/06/2012

Not all rich people are horrible, but the rich and powerful should be wary of class divisions. There's a lot of merit to maintaining a healthy and secure middle class.

by Anonymousreply 3406/06/2012

You're all a bunch of morons with penis envy. In case you didn't notice, hello, this is America where people come to make their fortunes. So get a grip, peel your lips off the bong, get a life, make something out of yourself for a change. I mean Jesus Christ, you people disgust me!

by Anonymousreply 3506/06/2012

The hallmark of aristocracy is responsibility.

by Anonymousreply 3606/06/2012

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by Anonymousreply 3706/06/2012

[post by racist shit-stain removed.]

by Anonymousreply 3806/06/2012

Grease Fire, OP.

by Anonymousreply 3906/06/2012

I don't want to encourage violence. But if you study history, there are things going on right now that are similar to the times leading up to the French Revolution -- when there was such a disparity between the rich and the poor that members of the aristocracy were guillotined.

by Anonymousreply 4106/06/2012

Freeper, party of one! Your table is ready.

by Anonymousreply 4206/06/2012

The sad thing is that we could make a big difference non-violently. If we could, in large numbers, switch to credit unions and local banks and do as much shopping as we could from local food producers and stateside craftsmen (even if it's just through places like Etsy), things would start to change.

by Anonymousreply 4306/06/2012

[quote]Manson family felt the same way!

Yes, and by the time you realize that tens of millions of people with little to lose are also feeling the same way, it may be too late.

by Anonymousreply 4406/06/2012

What's your definition of rich? If someone worked hard their entire lives and saved their money and now have 1mil, should they be killed?

by Anonymousreply 4506/06/2012

Only if they vote Republican, R45.

by Anonymousreply 4606/06/2012

billionaire's that have stolen money from the backs of workers for decades.

by Anonymousreply 4706/06/2012

Grow up OP and shut the fuck up!

by Anonymousreply 4806/06/2012

[quote]What's your definition of rich? If someone worked hard their entire lives and saved their money and now have 1mil, should they be killed?

Please, a million isn't rich anymore. Start with the top 1% and you've gone a long way towards fixing the problem.

by Anonymousreply 4906/06/2012

I don't want to hurt anyone physically (not usually anyway) but I would like to see some misfortune come their way. I don't care how hard you work on Wall Street, you don't deserve that kind of money. People work just as hard at other jobs and are paid shit. And the money spent on political campaigns is disgusting, really disgusting.

by Anonymousreply 5006/06/2012

R48 is wealthy beyond belief!

by Anonymousreply 5106/06/2012

its the shitwads in Connecticut with hedge funds and insurance schemes not so much Wall Street anymore.

The trouble on Wall left after 911

by Anonymousreply 5206/06/2012

Oh, cool! If there's a military dictatorship installed, I'll already be one of the "haves."

by Anonymousreply 5406/06/2012

Even the dumbest of the poor and uneducated can follow these instructions.

by Anonymousreply 5506/06/2012

[quote]Oh, cool! If there's a military dictatorship installed, I'll already be one of the "haves."

And if history is any guide, you'll get snazzy new uniforms with tons of gold braid!

by Anonymousreply 5606/06/2012

R57, if you think the rich now are like the rich then, you must be an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 5806/06/2012

I work in a supermarket R51. Eat shit and die bitch!

by Anonymousreply 5906/06/2012

r57 is a 110 years old and remembers when the Rockefeller's and Vanderbilt's created jobs, and pursued philanthropic endeavors for the enrichment of society.

by Anonymousreply 6006/06/2012

Most rich people these days don't feel any obligation to the rest of society.

Hell, even poor people are so worried that someone else might get a teeny piece of their pie that they're duped into voting Republican.

We are a nation of greedy bastards.

by Anonymousreply 6106/06/2012

I think when out of state funds begin dwarfing locally raised funds in elections it's time to start passing laws/slaughtering the wealthy.

by Anonymousreply 6206/06/2012

Waiter: May I have a slice of Bunny Melon?

by Anonymousreply 6306/06/2012

Watch this episode of Tamara Ecclestone's realty shoe OP. It'll make you feel so much better.

by Anonymousreply 6406/06/2012

[quote]Most rich people these days don't feel any obligation to the rest of society.

Another gift of globalization...

by Anonymousreply 6506/06/2012

Great hard rock song. The lead singer had one of the largest penis in rock, supposedly.

by Anonymousreply 6606/06/2012

Ultimately it's all about the Army.

The Army made it possible for the rich to behave this way, and the Army is going to take them down. Within the military there are tens of thousands of people who feel as OP does. The brass think they have it under control with their bogus religiosity and relentless propaganda and secret John Bircher type networks and political tests for high commands, but they don't. It won't be long now before the rich start to die off mysteriously and at first nobody will even know what's happening. There will be no "notes claiming credit," nothing obvious at all. People will think it is natural causes.

by Anonymousreply 6706/07/2012

R57 erroneously credits only the rich for these charitable works. People from all levels donated to the institutions he mentions.

by Anonymousreply 6806/07/2012

There has to be intelligent, energetic, political organizing. At least a portion of the masses has to be organized and political and demonstrating in the streets all of the time. There are certainly enough reasons to at this time. There should have been a revolution over Hurricane Katrina's aftermath and the payouts to Wall Street, or the lack of universal healthcare but nothing happened. Occupy Wall Street was the best thing for years - but will they build on that to something bigger and more effective?

by Anonymousreply 6906/07/2012

The sooner the better, OP.

by Anonymousreply 7006/07/2012

[quote][R57] erroneously credits only the rich for these charitable works. People from all levels donated to the institutions he mentions.

He also fails to mention that most of the donations were made during the era of high income and inheritance tax rates. Back then the rich had an incentive to do good as part of their financial and tax planning. Now we've cut the tax rates to the point where they might as well just write the check and keep the money.

To give credit where credit is due, when I look at R57's list, it's striking how many of those items were funded by the various branches of the Rockefeller family. I'm not saying they were saints, but their money funded everything from the University of Chicago to Teton National Park to MOMA, with 1000's lesser projects mixed in.

by Anonymousreply 7106/07/2012

True [67], it has always been the support of the military that has made possible the Revolutions of yore (French, Russian, etc.)

by Anonymousreply 7206/07/2012

Rich Democrats of the past gave a lot to our country. The Roosevelts, the Kennedys. Even today, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett do a lot of philanthropy. It's the rich Republicans who wouldn't mind walking on the faces of any of us.

by Anonymousreply 7306/07/2012

Start with the Koch Brothers OP.

by Anonymousreply 7406/07/2012

Amen! But I propose we make an exemption for rich people who have signed the Giving Pledge. Including Gates and Buffett and (much as it pains me to say) Bloomberg. They have vowed to give the majority of their wealth away to not-fpr-profit organizations. (Education, human services, hospitals, arts/culture, parks/environment, global initiatives, etc)

The ones to be offed are the ones who spend it nearly all on themselves. And NYC, LA and the other major cities have no shortage of these people.

by Anonymousreply 7506/07/2012

Some of you people are simply crazy. I mean fuckin' crazy. No wonder people are abandoning Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 7606/07/2012

I gave Dick Cheney a blumpkin

by Anonymousreply 7806/07/2012

It's implied that those not rich would be more humanitarian if they had the wealth of the rich. This is not true. They would just have more stuff than they do now. Our media and entertainment have sold us the idea that greed is good and you're a loser if you don't have a rich lifestyle. Stop playing their game.

It use to be a household had one phone, one car, one TV. Old houses had small closets. Ask yourself why now everyone has to carry a phone, each member of a house generally has their own car. Why a walk-in closet? why the multi-garage house? Why the large screen Tvs in just about every room?

It's a game. Wake up and Stop playing it. Detach because ultimately there are no winners. The ones that you think win, usually are sucking down anti-depressants by the bucketload throughout and die in the end anyway.

by Anonymousreply 7906/07/2012

Liberals are so fucking stupid.

Conservatives have ALL THE FUCKING GUNS and they know how to use them.

Just try to start something and see what happens.

by Anonymousreply 8006/07/2012

[quote]They would just have more stuff than they do now.

Not true. The economy would be in ruins. At best, they could hope for a Soviet lifestyle, but even that would take a decade or so.

by Anonymousreply 8106/07/2012

[quote]It use to be a household had one phone, one car, one TV. Old houses had small closets. Ask yourself why now everyone has to carry a phone, each member of a house generally has their own car. Why a walk-in closet? why the multi-garage house? Why the large screen Tvs in just about every room?

Because we want and enjoy those things and many people can comfortably afford them. The country, and indeed most of the world, is much wealthier than ever before. Think about how that happened...

by Anonymousreply 8206/07/2012

OP, just to remind you: They have Halliburton.

by Anonymousreply 8306/07/2012

The link to the educate yourself site says that the guillotines will be used on Christians...

I am okay with that.

by Anonymousreply 8406/07/2012

Couldn't we just amend the Constitution to provide for exclusive public funding for federal offices? Seems less messy.

by Anonymousreply 8706/07/2012

Roland Trumbull, where are you when we need you????

by Anonymousreply 8806/07/2012

Public funding for elections will never happen. Right now the super rich own almost every pol out there. Why would they want to change a system that's working?

Even if a reformer got in, the super rich would just take their money and renounce their American citizenship (just like that Facebook dude). They're worth more than the entire population of the US as it is. We just have to keep making nice or they'll take all the jobs to China and India (not just some of them).

by Anonymousreply 8906/07/2012

[quote]We just have to keep making nice or they'll take all the jobs to China and India (not just some of them).

The tragedy is that so many people believe this, R89, thus enabling the very people they should be uniting against to continue their oppression. But it's a specious argument; people who own companies need MARKETS for the products those companies sell, and even if those currently holding all the wealth did leave for another country (and yeah, they'd really LOVE to live in a shithole like India) those remaining would then be free to start creating wealth for themselves in the vacuum. Stop being such a fucking sheep and buying into the right wing bullshit. The rich are NOT wealth creators.

by Anonymousreply 9006/07/2012

I have a job. Most people have jobs. That doesn't change the fact that a tiny minority of Americans own 93% of all the wealth in the U.S.

How stupid can people be to think that's going to change even if everyone in America had a job.

by Anonymousreply 9206/07/2012

I raped Pat Nixon's dead body

by Anonymousreply 9306/07/2012

Large numbers of people will start to go hungry within the next five to ten years. That's when Americans will start discussing armed revolution openly.

The powers that be better fucking get off their asses and do something if disaster is to be averted.

Americans have a lot of guns. The number of American citizens who own guns outnumbers most countries' armies. The next American revolution is going to be the bloodiest one yet.

by Anonymousreply 9606/07/2012

R82, I understand and agree your point that more people are wealthier at one time than what existed before and this is great but this doesn't explain the growing perception that people have that they are poor. How do you explain this growing group of "poor" people wanting to kill the "rich" when they are walking around with a cell phone and their house has a computer, TV and other luxuries? You're looking at a group of people who sold themselves over to a game of comparing their stuff to others' stuff and needing to buy more and more of it. Something is terribly wrong in the psyche of our country.

It's a game. Many have benefited but so many are miserable because of it. All i'm saying is if it bothers anyone reading this to the point you want to slaughter those better off, stop playing because you're being played. If you stop buying into all this stuff, the stuff you don't have won't own you.

by Anonymousreply 9706/07/2012

Desperate times, desperate measures. It will only get worse, lower pay and lower job benefits causes these things. Crime rate rises during impoverishment.

by Anonymousreply 9806/07/2012

Most of our poor people are fat. You don't see fat starving people in third world countries.

by Anonymousreply 9906/07/2012

[quote]Even if a reformer got in, the super rich would just take their money and renounce their American citizenship (just like that Facebook dude).

I hate when people say shit like this. There are ways to prevent or lessen that. And yes - the rich will then seek other ways to circumvent those restrictions, and on and on it goes. But just rolling over and saying oh well, we're powerless to do anything is so pathetic.

And, as pointed out in the thread about renouncing citizenship - the US does not recognize that. Facebook boy can never again set foot in the US or he will be thrown in jail for tax evasion.

Don't be such a fucking pussy!

by Anonymousreply 10006/07/2012

[quote]Large numbers of people will start to go hungry within the next five to ten years.

Good, they could stand to lose a few pounds.

by Anonymousreply 10106/07/2012

It's not just the Rich (after all, Soros and Bill Gates aren't totally bad guys).

It's the CONSERVATIVES. Or rather, the right-wing nut-jobs that *call* themselves "Conservatives", but who are actually radical extremists, fascists, bigots, and worse.

And yeah, it's about time for heads on pikes, imho. PAST time, actually. Let's start with Walker's head in WI. And about half the supreme court. And at least a third of all the members of Congress. Pretty much everyone at FOX News. All Republican party leadership. Grover Norquest especially. Wall Street traders, CEOs, bankers, etc.

Heads. On. Pikes.

by Anonymousreply 10206/07/2012

[quote]Large numbers of people will start to go hungry within the next five to ten years. That's when Americans will start discussing armed revolution openly.

True. That's when real revolutions happen. But as long as even the poorest can afford their sugar and fat junk food diets there will be no uprisings, not even from the couch.

Bread and circuses, muchacho.

by Anonymousreply 10306/07/2012

Tax first.

by Anonymousreply 10606/07/2012

Thanks Barbara Bush @ r104!

by Anonymousreply 10706/07/2012

Can someone start a thread about gun ownership and starter models?

by Anonymousreply 10806/07/2012

In Mexico, there is a whole home grown industry of kidnapping rich people's children. I remember that used to happen in Europe a lot too -- someone was always making off with some German banker's kid, but other than Barbara J. Mackle (and of course, Patty Hearst) it doesn't happen much in the US.

by Anonymousreply 11006/07/2012

In India, they maim children and send them out as beggars to make money.

by Anonymousreply 11106/07/2012

Since they refuse to pay fair wages, I think killing IS the only answer. They have destroyed our middle class. Not only do they refuse to give raises, they also insist on treating employees like slaves...slaves who are brainless. I see killing as the only answer.

by Anonymousreply 11206/07/2012

Unfortunately the US Military is controlled by the 1 percent. They pack some serious "defend the rich" firepower.

by Anonymousreply 11406/07/2012

Yes, the military has been preparing to deal with civil unrest on American soil for some time now. The big boys know something bad is likely to go down in the near future. They will be ready to strike down the masses if it comes to that.

by Anonymousreply 11506/07/2012

[quote]Unfortunately the US Military is controlled by the 1 percent. They pack some serious "defend the rich" firepower.

The 5%, maybe. The 1% have their own private armies. Hurricane Katrina showed us that.

When Katrina destroyed New Orleans, Blackwater had forces there within hours, and the true elite who lived on exclusive Audubon Place went even further and hired Israeli mercenaries. They were there within hours:

[quote]wealthy New Orleans businessman, James Reiss, who serves in Mayor Ray Nagin's administration as chairman of the city's Regional Transit Authority, brought in some heavy guns to guard the elite gated community of Audubon Place: Israeli mercenaries dressed in black and armed with M-16s. Two Israelis patrolling the gates outside Audubon told me they had served as professional soldiers in the Israeli military, and one boasted of having participated in the invasion of Lebanon. "We have been fighting the Palestinians all day, every day, our whole lives," one of them tells me. "Here in New Orleans, we are not guarding from terrorists." Then, tapping on his machine gun, he says, "Most Americans, when they see these things, that's enough to scare them."

by Anonymousreply 11606/07/2012

Hey DUMBASSES large numbers of Americans are ALREADY going hungry: a quarter of the population needed food aid last year. And still the Revolution is not on the horizon. People can take MISERY. What they need are LEADERS.

by Anonymousreply 11706/07/2012

Guess what people? In most states a good 10% of the rich are lottery winners.

by Anonymousreply 11806/07/2012

Sorry R102. Neither Soros nor Gates is a good guy or a liberal. They are both right wing scum. SOROS was one of the jackanapes who saved George W. Bush's business career (and his failed promises in the 2004 election got Bushie re-elected). Gates has always been a spoiled right wing hater and his foundation reflects that since he deliberately decided on Africa as the appropriate sphere for giving because he thought American workers spoiled and unworthy.

by Anonymousreply 11906/07/2012

I might add that Gates has supported the stealing of elections electronically through privatized voting machine companies ALL OF WHICH USE MICROSOFT PLATFORMS.

by Anonymousreply 12006/07/2012

All of Microsoft's products were designed so the military and CIA could backdoor them.

by Anonymousreply 12106/07/2012

hahahaha R104 the typical American propagandized belief that we are all just pre-rich and if we just work hard enough and long enough we too will live the dream.

It works perfectly for keeping most of us,especially people like you, in line and obedient to your Betters.

So dangerously naive.

by Anonymousreply 12206/07/2012

It's true, all corporate leaders are not monsters but the bad ones(BP, Halliburton, Exxon, Boeing) should be called out and dispatched.

by Anonymousreply 12306/07/2012

Thanks for posting r116, I didn't know that

I'm not sure what the future holds, but this massive disparity between the very wealthy and the rest of us is truly scary.

Margaret Atwood has several books that deal with the future and I could see her fictional scenarios coming to fruition.

by Anonymousreply 12406/07/2012

It's not that easy. Rich people now have their own armies, ever hear of Three Canopy and Black Water? I think the way to get to them is to expose them. Everyone is beginning to hear about the Koch Brothers. Maybe the best thing is to find out where they are and protest them. Outside their favorite restaurants and outside their offices if they actually go into work. Plaster their pictures all over cities across the nation with some tag like Koch Brother's stealing our nation one election at a time. For example I'm not saying that's the cleverest tag in the world. Just for example.

The people most responsible for ruining our country are invisible. The politicians are taking the hits for them. I say make their faces famous so everyone knows who they are. You know like that KONY campaign. Let's see if we can introduce them to the world.

by Anonymousreply 12506/07/2012

[italic]The Hunger Games,[/italic] anyone?

by Anonymousreply 12606/07/2012

What's Three Canopy?

by Anonymousreply 12706/07/2012

They do, but private armies can be radicalized and turn on their employers. It is has been the historic way of revolutions. That is what is going to happen in the US. Bill Gates will be slaughtered by his own bodyguards and fed to dogs, that kind of thing.

by Anonymousreply 12806/07/2012

[quote]private armies can be radicalized

Not foreign mercenaries

by Anonymousreply 12906/07/2012

Pretty soon.

by Anonymousreply 13006/07/2012

Can you be a little wealthy and it be okay? How much is too much for you to lay down your guns?

by Anonymousreply 13106/07/2012

Foreign mercenaries can certainly be radicalized. Especially Israelis. I'd be more worried about the Russians because they are not a self-aware group.

by Anonymousreply 13206/07/2012

We need the Anti-Christ to take over.

by Anonymousreply 13306/07/2012

You will never be rich enough, R131.

by Anonymousreply 13406/07/2012

Does anyone doubt that R104 is the "Joe the Plumber" of DL?

Delusions of grandeur.

You'll never be one of them, asshole. Stop licking their taints.

by Anonymousreply 13506/07/2012

Joe the Plumber types are more angry at the "surplus" population (poor people) than the super rich. All they have is the color of their skin (white) to make them think they have more in common with the super rich than other Americans.

If the super rich in this country were 90% black or Hispanic they'd be packing machine gunes to knock them off.

by Anonymousreply 13606/07/2012

[quote]I know a lot of people in the food industry. Many rich people eat spit on a frequent basis

Wh cares about a little spit.

by Anonymousreply 13706/07/2012

They like to think Bush would have a beer with them, meanwhile, he's more likely to have scotch with a Saudi prince.

by Anonymousreply 13806/07/2012

Don't ever change, Freeper/R139.

You wouldn't be you without the irony.

by Anonymousreply 14006/07/2012

Live within your means! Invest! You can be rich, too!

by Anonymousreply 14206/07/2012

Up until 2000, the rich were always nice to me, but I think they are different from the rich in control now.

by Anonymousreply 14306/07/2012

I'm sorry, R141, but you really come across as a clueless eldergay. You seem completely detached from the struggle facing young people in this economy, including college educated young people. The world of the twenty-something recent grad of today is not the one you remember.

by Anonymousreply 14406/07/2012

[quote]Without the rich, there wouldn't be companies, which hire employees and create jobs.

Actually, while that's a popular meme, it isn't really true. What creates jobs is demand, which comes from the poor and the middle class.

[quote]You must realize that if you live by certain financial rules, like, oh, I don't know, maybe living within your means and saving the excess, you can invest what you don't spend and become rich like them.

Oh, garbage. That hasn't been true for decades, which is why we have a largely frozen class structure now, with the mobility largely vanished.

by Anonymousreply 14506/07/2012

Let's change Martha's Vineyard into Martha's All You Can Eat Buffet.

by Anonymousreply 14606/07/2012

R141? Being "snobs" isn't the problem. How very simplistic of you.

Being allowed to fail upward on the taxpayers' dime is the problem.

You *must* be an old fart because you have an incredibly antiquated notion of WHO many of the wealthy are these days.

These are people who have been allowed to privatize their profits and set up shop overseas so they don't pay taxes, yet socialize their losses so that the American taxpayers are stuck cleaning up their mess.

The level of greed has gotten to a point where they're no longer playing with THEIR money.

by Anonymousreply 14706/07/2012

Sigh, R148, do you have any idea at all how little we spend on that "system manipulation" you decry?

by Anonymousreply 14906/07/2012

Clueless, do you not believe what I wrote? My wife can't work due to health issues, therefore I have to work two, sometimes three jobs to stay afloat. We weren't always poor. I had a good paying job and stock options to cash in every now and then. I invested and made some money... then my wife started having back problems, the kids started breaking ankles, feet, etc. I blew out two disks in my neck.... so there went the savings. The company sold the division in which I worked to a company in Manilla. I had to settle for MUCH lower paying work and the health care bills kept stacking up. The trick is to discipline yourself enough to save that $10, $20 a paycheck... it takes time, but without a rich relative, you have to make it happen yourself.

by Anonymousreply 15006/07/2012

[quote]Clueless, do you not believe what I wrote?

Yup, we do not believe what you wrote, mostly because what you wrote in R141 is completely false, unsupported by anything resembling reason, logic, or data.

[quote]The government is spending all OUR money... causing our financial woes... that's who you should be mad at.

And this is even worse, since it, too, is manifestly bullshit, and stupid bullshit at that. Tell me, do you even bother to *think* before you write this crap?

by Anonymousreply 15206/07/2012

And what's especially hilarious, old fart, is that your troubles would not *be* troubles in any other industrialized nation, as they have sane health care systems which would have covered your health care issues, and done so at a far lower cost to both you and the country.

by Anonymousreply 15306/07/2012

Old fart, the government is spending our money to prop up the wealthy parasites they're beholden to. The rich only create wealth and opportunity for themselves, by screwing those who need to work for a living out of decent working conditions. How rich has scrimping and saving made you? You may want to roll over, grin and bear it, but some of us want to see the system change and become more equitable for all.

by Anonymousreply 15406/07/2012

Every dollar given to people in Food Stamps come back into the economy as $1.75. That is a fact. What little the disabled poor get in SSI or SSD goes right back into the economy. What very little people get for a very short time on Welfare goes right back into the economy. The little bit the poor are given does more to keep the economy working than all the years of the Bush Tax Cuts.

by Anonymousreply 15506/07/2012

For idiotic, cold hearted pieces of shit like R101.

by Anonymousreply 15606/07/2012

R151 wreched his life because he didn't have decent health care but he still doesn't want the government spending "our" money. On people like him and his family I guess.

And that war between the poor and the middle class sounds like so much fun. Some poor kids are in pretty good shape. They may take some of those soft middle class folks with them.

by Anonymousreply 15706/07/2012

Where are the lists for the tumbrils? Who's up first? Barbwa?

by Anonymousreply 15906/07/2012

So old fart wants to abolish anything that restrains the wealthy from screwing the working majority even more? That's going to make society so much more fair, I'm sure.

by Anonymousreply 16306/07/2012

[quote]Paul, you must not have read what I wrote.

I read exactly what you wrote. It appears that you neither read, nor thought about, my reply.

[quote]In my lifetime I have seen several different financial cycles in the U.S. I have seen the good times, bad times, and everything in-between.

So have I. And your point is? Just living a long time does not make you wiser, clearly, as what you wrote is still total bullshit, which is why you keep attacking people and going off on these irrelevant tangents instead of actually supporting your silly assertions.

[quote]I know you think what I write is bullshit

That's because I happen to have studied the actual data, not anecdotes. And the data show that what you wrote is bullshit.

[quote]I stand by my writings.

So? It still doesn't make them right.

[quote]If we live within our means, we will have cash flow.

Sigh... So? That still won't create mobility, which is what you tried to claim. Nor have you addressed, or even thought about, apparently, the people who cannot have a positive cash flow if they are to provide basic subsistence to their families.

[quote]If the government lives with it's means, we will have cash flow.

And this is even sillier. There is a reason that macroeconomics and microeconomics are two different fields of study. Government spending is *supposed* to be counter-cyclical, to prevent the downturn from being longer and steeper than it otherwise would be. Should the government not do so, as is the case here and even more so the case in Europe, the recession becomes both deeper and more prolonged, just as we have seen over the past few years.

This is classic economic theory, Econ 101, if you will, and you have utterly failed to grasp it. You run a deficit during the bad times to keep them from being worse; you pay that deficit off during the good times. It took a Republican, George W. Bush, to reverse that and to decide to run an even more massive deficit during the upturn of the business cycle.

[quote]Why can't you see that the government spending, taxing, and regulating is the problem?

Mostly because it's not, nor have you provided even one shred of data to support this silliness. Our taxes are at historic lows, idiot. And deregulation directly led to the economic meltdown that nearly brought down the entire economic system. And spending under Obama is significantly *less* than it has been under previous Presidents and, in particular, after previous recessions.

Next time, before you start spouting off, please do some research. Better to be thought a fool than post here and confirm it.

by Anonymousreply 16406/07/2012

[quote]My son lived in Canada and had some health issues. The so called "sane" socialized health care system there couldn't figure out what the problem was.

ROFL.... You are either a fool or lying. I'm inclined to think the latter. The Canadian health care system is at least as good as the U.S. system, and it's run at roughly half the per capita cost. I'd take that system any day, as would Canadians, who are happier with their system than we are with ours.

by Anonymousreply 16506/07/2012

Paul is dead... on.

As usual.

by Anonymousreply 16606/07/2012

Here's what the old fart wrote:

[quote]living within your means and saving the excess, you can invest what you don't spend and become rich like them. ... The trick is to discipline yourself enough to save that $10, $20 a paycheck...

Let's assume that you are saving $20 per month out of your paycheck. And let's assume you start with $100 as your initial nest egg. Would you like to know how wealthy you will be if you invest that $20 per month at, say, 5% interest, compounded annually? In ten years, you will have $3,263. In 40 years, you will have $30,475. And that's assuming that you don't need the money to handle an emergency, repair the car, pay a medical co-pay, etc.

Keep in mind that this is actually fairly generous, as savings, which is likely all you can invest in initially, will likely be on the order of 0.5%-1% return. Now after you have a little money, you can put that into the stock market, so you can get a little more, assuming that the market pays off. You could well lose your shirt.

Yup, that will really let you "become rich like them," won't it?

As for economic mobility, that has declined in the past several decades, with U.S. mobility significantly less than those "socialist" countries in Europe. The only industrialized nation with lower mobility than ours? The United Kingdom.

[quote]The United States has about 1/3 the ratio of mobility of Denmark and less than half that of Canada, Finland and Norway. France, Germany, Sweden, also had higher mobility, with only the United Kingdom being less mobile.

by Anonymousreply 16706/07/2012

As for Canadian health care, see the link below for five common myths and the relevant data that debunk them.

Myth 1: Canadians are flocking to the United States to get medical care. A whopping 0.5% of Canadians come to the U.S. for elective care and a whopping 0.11% of Canadians use the U.S. for emergency care, leaving a measly 99.39% of Canadians who are quite happy with their own health care system.

The article debunks the other myths quite handily, and that's just one article. There are literally hundreds that put the lie to the statements about the Canadian health care system.

Would you like to know the most popular health care system in the United States? It's either the VA system, which is classic "socialized medicine" or Medicare, which is a single-payer system, much like Canada's, depending on when the survey was done and which survey you believe.

And both of these systems have better outcomes, are cheaper, control costs better, and are more popular than the private alternatives.

by Anonymousreply 16806/07/2012

[quote]I understand. I randomly flip off people. I enjoy it. I know it is pathetic, but I REALLY hate almost ALL people.

And all because you didn't get that Malibu Barbie for Christmas when you were six.

by Anonymousreply 16906/07/2012

Not all the rich, just the greedy ones. Greed is an threat to a peaceful society. Gather the pitchforks, peasants, it's time to storm the castle.

by Anonymousreply 17206/08/2012

[quote]Well, I have to say that we can agree to disagree

Translation: I don't like the facts, so I will cling to my ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 17406/08/2012

[quote]Paul, Well, I have to say that we can agree to disagree

No, old fart, we can't, for the simple reason that you are provably, verifiably wrong, as I've already demonstrated. Your assertions are baseless and wholly unsupported and you haven't even bothered to do even the bare minimum of research on anything you've said here. Instead, you've ducked, dodged, evaded, and attacked, all classic tactics of someone who is spewing bullshit and knows it.

[quote]because I think you spew the same old one hit bullshit that I have heard on several different talk shows and newscasts.

And yet you are completely unable to point out even a single error in anything I write, unlike the very specific errors I've pointed out in your bullshit. Go ahead, dear: I'll settle for just one. Pick one point, any one. I guarantee you I can back it up. I also guarantee you that you will ignore this challenge because you know damn well I can do it and you will want to avoid further humiliation.

[quote]Stick to your one talking point and narrow minded thinking.

Dear heart, I'm not even remotely "sticking to ... one talking point." I'm merely pointing out that you're full of shit. As for "narrow minded thinking" [sic], I'm using actual data, not mindless partisan prejudices. I'll stick to reality, thank you.

[quote]Obviously you think that living on other people's money is the best thing for this country.

Dear heart, is reading comprehension always this much trouble for you? In nothing I've written can you find a single statement that even remotely resembles what you just wrote. We can have a far more fruitful discussion if you would actually read what I wrote and respond to it instead of listening to those voices in your head.

[quote]As far as my stories, they come from real life

Oh, I doubt that.

[quote]and research

Nope. Sorry. If they came from "research," as you claim, you'd have the data and the links to back up those claims. They don't, and you don't. You're simply lying. You might as well admit it, as it's bloody obvious to everyone here.

[quote]not some college professor simply spreading propaganda, or a biased blogger, columnist, or journalist.

Dear heart, have you heard of the Congressional Budget Office? Or simple arithmetic calculations of savings rates? Or the Census Bureau? I do love how you reject any and all information that contradicts your world view by simply pretending that its source is "biased" or that it's "propaganda."

[quote]Please get out of whatever school you are in and try making a living for yourself.

ROFLMAO.... And this is your silliest statement yet, dear. Free clue: read my posts again to see why this was a really, really stupid thing to write.

by Anonymousreply 17506/08/2012

I've met many rich people. I've never met any who were patriotic. They hate America and Americans. Pretty much all of them do. Including the ones who claim to defend (such as Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter).

by Anonymousreply 17606/08/2012

I still want to marry Paul (no longer authenticated)

by Anonymousreply 17706/08/2012

I've known rich people, all Republicans. Many decades ago I was with one of my rich Republican friends when Reagan was shot. She did not give a good goddamn about it. Fact is, I don't even think she would have cared if he had been killed. I was kind of puzzled over that.

by Anonymousreply 17806/08/2012

I can still authenticate, R177. And thank you. :-)

by Anonymousreply 17906/08/2012

Michael Moore has been saying for a while that he senses an uprising coming.

by Anonymousreply 18006/08/2012

The only ppl that oppose equality are poor. Trust me, actual rich people are terrified of angry poor masses. Its the blue collar, poor, trailer park types who are the heart of the conservative uptick. The billionaires are using them to vote against their own good. These diabetic, toothless, uneducated group is an easy mark. They're angry and will blame anybody but the people who cause their anger.

You won't hear the blue-blooded wasp set saying that they are over taxed.

Just the super rich, the propagandists and the poor toothless idiots who wouldnt take free health insurance even if they die in the process.

Propaganda is so slick these days. Billions are changing hands. And the easy marks are falling for it.

Stay strong, think for yourself and bury some canned goods and a barrel of water.

by Anonymousreply 18106/08/2012

Then he'd better arm himself, R180. He's one of the rich.

by Anonymousreply 18206/08/2012

[quote]and bury some canned goods and a barrel of water.

So you're thinking any global or national economic catastrophe would be over in two weeks?

by Anonymousreply 18306/08/2012

Easy marks? More likely cynical. They think the rich can never be tamed, so they direct their fire to the "elites" they can reach (public employees, university professors, homos).

But the rich can be tamed. The rich can be destroyed. What we need is for the poorer classes (at least those who serve in the army) to understand their power.

The rich lose the army, they are toast.

by Anonymousreply 18406/08/2012

[quote]I like riding the crowded bus up Madison. Many of the old hags take the bus a few blocks to get to yet another high end botique. I enjoy sitting while they stand and stare at me. I rub my dick and lick my lips and stare back at them. Occasionally, I'll follow them off the bust just to creep them out. Rich old ladies are such easy targets.

Wow! You're so brave! Bet you wouldn't do the same to a rich man.

You sound horrendous. You feeble idiot.

by Anonymousreply 18506/08/2012

R185 doesn't recognize satire when she sees it. Obviously rich old ladies don't ride the bus.

by Anonymousreply 18606/08/2012

[quote]What we need is for the poorer classes (at least those who serve in the army) to understand their power.

Puhleeeez. The repukes (aka, the Koch bros) figured out long ago that poor people only bother to vote when their bigoted churches tell them to. So they overwhelmingly vote only when there are "social" issues on the ballot, especially gay hate issues. And they vote for gay hate overwhelmingly and the repuke candidates who espouse it, because they are told to do so by their hate mongering ministers.

by Anonymousreply 18706/08/2012

Yeah, sure, kill the rich. That way, there will be room for the next bunch of greedy, power-hungry assholes to take over. Then, after a couple of generations of their crap, we'll kill them. That way, there will be room for the next bunch...

by Anonymousreply 18806/08/2012

Old fart? Are you a straight guy? Do you get your jollies going to bookstores on the down-low and getting your dick sucked, or getting plowed up the ass in a car by the side of the road in the dark of night?

If so, you are contemptible. If not, what are you doing on this site? And if you're a lesbian, your pedantic tone is worse than any lesbian's I have ever heard -- and that's sayin' somethin'.

So, again I say -- who are you and what are you doing here?

by Anonymousreply 18906/08/2012

R188, so it'd be like having elections every four years then? Sounds good to me. Maybe eventually someone would "learn" and avoid hoarding cash like an old fat lady hoards crap in her home until there's no place to sit...

by Anonymousreply 19006/08/2012

That's what Thomas Jefferson foresaw R188. It would still work better than the current system. We all know who the rich were in 1850. Name me something any of their descendants has done in the last thirty years that justifies the hundreds of billions of dollars these families possess.

by Anonymousreply 19106/08/2012

[quote]Maybe eventually someone would "learn"

Yeah... sure... "maybe eventually..."

How long has it been now? Five thousand, six thousand years, or to put it simply, throughout all of recorded human history that the masses have been ruled by the powerful/wealthy?

Maybe. Someday.

by Anonymousreply 19206/08/2012

[quote]Name me something any of their descendants has done in the last thirty years that justifies the hundreds of billions of dollars these families possess.

Certainly not much. But, what have you done, or whomever it is that would otherwise possess those very same hundreds of billions. Somebody always will. It's human nature for there to be rulers and the ruled, and no revolution ever has, or ever will do anything about it. All any revolution has ever done is to replace one group of bastards with another.

by Anonymousreply 19306/08/2012

Let's start with TAXING the rich first, and while we are at it tax CORPORATIONS & CHURCHES, too.

by Anonymousreply 19406/08/2012

You don't need to kill the rich, you just need a national seizure of assets and mandatory life imprisonment for those who challenge the seizure, their lawyers included.

by Anonymousreply 19706/08/2012

Yes, R196, in fact, we'll start with them.

by Anonymousreply 19806/08/2012

Lock your doors, R199.

by Anonymousreply 20006/08/2012

R199 fuck you

by Anonymousreply 20106/08/2012

Why do you care, R199? You know this is all a bunch of impotent bluster. You are as secure as you always have been and always will be.

by Anonymousreply 20206/08/2012

My guess is France will be the first National Government to lay treason charges on the gouging wealthy classes.

by Anonymousreply 20306/08/2012

NOW!

by Anonymousreply 20406/08/2012

I hope so, r202. I know I do good with my giving and I know it makes a difference. What would these people do if there weren't people like me who actually care about them?

by Anonymousreply 20506/08/2012

[/quote]You don't know the good that we do everyday

Yes we do. We can all count that high on our fingers and toes.

by Anonymousreply 20606/08/2012

[quote]BS! The most posh restaurants are the most chill to work in. The servers make bank in tips and as a general rule the clientele is uber polite and high tippers

I can see you've never worked in fine dining. Talented chefs can be perfect ogres to work for and while many people with money are perfectly lovely, others can be towering assholes, especially to those well beneath them on the social ladder.

by Anonymousreply 20806/08/2012

Good job girls! Hitler would be pround of you all!

by Anonymousreply 20906/08/2012

George Soros is worth about $20,000,000,000. Put him on the list.

by Anonymousreply 21006/08/2012

How typical of a rich person. "This is unpleasant to think they may be talking about me. I must get the powers that be to stop them talking this way." Not caring, of course, what we really think. A smarter rich person would think, "to hear such sentiments expressed openly on datalounge by the middle class weenies here, there are likely millions of people who would like to cut my throat at this very minute. Maybe I should reflect on the POLITICAL responsibilities of wealth for a minute. Maybe I should think about joining them because they are right. Maybe the game isn't fair and the rewards the economy hands out are unrelated to the work done and risk undertaken and this is bad thing which threatens to destroy capitalism."

by Anonymousreply 21106/08/2012

What 211 said

by Anonymousreply 21206/08/2012

I.ve been in favor of a bastille day here in the US for a long time. Lopping off the heads of the rich and their offspring will bave a sobering affect on these greedy bastards while putting several trillion back into circulation. Those billionaires who have already committed there fortunes to trusts to help the under privledged like Gates, Buffet, Sorus, Winfry the owner of Ikea etc, will be exempt from the manditory head contribution. Also we need to include the banksters and the entire wall street gang. Our only concern will be how much the oceans will rise from their blood.

by Anonymousreply 21306/08/2012

Some folks are born made to wave the flag Ooh, they're red, white and blue And when the band plays "Hail to the Chief" Oh, they point the cannon at you, Lord

It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no Senator's son It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate one, no

Some folks are born silver spoon in hand Lord, don't they help themselves, oh But when the tax men come to the door Lord, the house look a like a rummage sale, yes

It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no millionaire's son, no, no It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate one, no

Yeah, some folks inherit star spangled eyes Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord And when you ask them, "How much should we give?" Oh, they only answer, more, more, more,

It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no military son It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate one

It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate one, no, no, no It ain't me, it ain't me I ain't no fortunate son, no, no

by Anonymousreply 21406/08/2012

R211 got it.

Arrogance will make this happen faster.

by Anonymousreply 21506/08/2012

[quote]I don't need to come here and read this.

That's right, you don't, r199. So save your Bar Bush impression for your cats and fuck off!

by Anonymousreply 21606/08/2012

Si I gather from reading the 200+ posts here that killing the "rich", i.e. "banksters", Wall Street Thugs" "hedge funders" etc etc... is all just code for JEWS, right?

by Anonymousreply 21706/08/2012

R217 = Sherlock Homo

by Anonymousreply 21806/08/2012

If you want it to mean that, r217, which I am sure you do.

by Anonymousreply 21906/08/2012

I don't think so, R217. Anyone who knows about left-wing revolutionary history will know that a lot of great lefties were Jewish! (And still are!)

I think the anger is about inequality and corruption and the division between the rich and poor, which a lot of research has clearly indicated is much greater than it was a few decades ago. Nothing to do with any race religion or shoe size.

by Anonymousreply 22006/08/2012

[quote]we do not believe what you wrote, mostly because what you wrote in [R141] is completely false, unsupported by anything resembling reason, logic, or data.

We? And as long as you're talking about "reason, logic, or data" how about you put-up or shut-up until you can manage doing what you're demanding of others.

by Anonymousreply 22106/08/2012

When Karl Marx predicted the rise of the oppressed, he was referring to Capitalist society, not the Russian Monarchy which existed before 1917 and became a self declared, but false version of communism.

So Karl Marx may yet be proven correct.

by Anonymousreply 22206/08/2012

I am against capital punishment.

But Donald Trump defeats all of my conviction.

You may take him away now.

by Anonymousreply 22506/08/2012

Well, most of those institutions are pretty corrupt, R224.

by Anonymousreply 22606/08/2012

If you’ve been watching cable news over the past couple of days, you’ve probably seen the ad that shows Democrats like Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama praising the Occupy Wall Street movement — followed by the question “What is happening at the Occupy Wall Street protests?” and clips of protesters making anti-Semitic remarks. One man shouts “Jews control Wall Street” and holds a sign that says “Hitler’s Bankers - Wall St.”

“Why are our leaders turning a blind eye to anti-Semitic, anti-Israel attacks?” the ad asks. “Tell President Obama and leader Pelosi to stand up to the mob. Hate is not an American value.”

The ad is put out by the Emergency Committee for Israel (ECI), whose board members include neoconservative columnist Bill Kristol and ultra-conservative former presidential candidate Gary Bauer.

The idea that OWS is anti-Semitic has found an audience in some parts of the right. Rush Limbaugh argued that the terms “Wall Street” and “bankers” are just “anti-Semitic code” for Jews.

by Anonymousreply 22806/08/2012

Which is hilarious when you consider Rush Limbaugh's screeds against the Jews over the years. I told you, Israel is backing the wrong horse, and they are big fools to do so because Romney will shut them down like nobody's business. He'd nuke the fucking settlements and think nothing of it. Mormons are as antisemitic a group as exists in western culture today.

by Anonymousreply 22906/08/2012

The institutions which govern the world were not founded by the 1%. In fact, the most dramatic event in World history was World War II. Why? Because the rich were hated in every country by the time it was over (except for a few exceptions like Kaiser of the shipyards).

by Anonymousreply 23006/08/2012

R224 is spluttering. Sputtering, whirling like a malfunctioning Catherine Wheel.

US population without a clue about wealthy. Prisons grow larger, poor de-humanized. Pretty soon, everyone outside 'gated communities' will be prisoners.

The rich will win. They have that superb solvent that melts away opposition. It's called 'money'

by Anonymousreply 23106/08/2012

Obviously Rush Limbaugh is being false again, he was just trying to smear the left, and legitimate, popular opposition to corrupt corporations. It has nothing to do with Jews.

Occupy Wall Street anti-Semitic? Please. Attacks by Bill Kristol, other Republicans are absurd

by Anonymousreply 23206/08/2012

Funny how it's all the rich liberals who ate trying to do good with there money, put it into trusts for the common good, etc.

You won't see the Koch Brothers wasting their money on the public good. They fund things like the NRA.

If only David Koch had died in that plane crash he was in. Unfortunately for us all, he survived.

by Anonymousreply 23306/08/2012

No, it's about the US becoming more like India because of people like you R234, and we can stop them before it goes too far. The only small mind here is yours, for your inability to understand how economies work and how your narcissistic worldview is no longer a legitimate refuge. You're going to have to get a clue or be swept away with the other garbage.

by Anonymousreply 23506/09/2012

When the people in France had, had enough, they got out the guillotine. Will we ever wise up and say, enough is enough?

by Anonymousreply 23606/09/2012

R234 - Don't worry, the poverty you long for all to see is acutally right here!

"BRUSSELS, May 29, 2012 (UPI) -- A UNICEF study of 35 developed countries found the United States had the second-highest rate of child poverty after Romania."

You want to talk about GREED? How about CEOs being paid 400 times the amount that the typical worker makes, whereas back in 1980, the average large company CEO only received just 42 times the average worker's pay. And for most of the 20th century that ratio was a fairly consistent 15-20 to 1. Their GREED is destroying the ECONOMY, SOCIETY, the COUNTRY.

GREED is outsourcing all of your working class and a good portion of middle class jobs to Asia where there are no labour rights and they can pay them as low a possible. Destroying the social fabric of their own country and exploiting people in another. International destruction and misery. And they don't spend two seconds thinking what they do to people's lives.

GREED is using millions and billions of TAXPAYER dollars to pay bonuses to failed Wall Street firms. They demanded it as their right.

"Here are some examples of banks which received TARP money from US taxpayers last year and the enormous bonuses they paid to employees: JP Morgan Chase earned $5.6 billion and paid $8.69 billion in bonuses, while Morgan Stanley earned $1.7 billion and paid $4.475 billion in bonuses.

Here are two even more outrageous examples: While Citigroup and Merill Lynch (bought by Bank of America)lost more than $27 billion each, Citigroup paid $5.33 billion in bonuses and Merill Lynch paid $3.6 billion in bonuses. The two banks combined received over $55 billion in taxpayer-funded TARP money.

Attorney General Cuomo summed it up nicely stating "When the banks did well, their employees were paid well. When the banks did poorly, their employees were paid well. And when the banks did very poorly, they were bailed out by taxpayers and their employees were still paid well."

by Anonymousreply 23806/09/2012

A quarter of the nation required food aid last year. That means we already have an underlying poverty rate that would make us look like India when food aid is cut (as the GOP plans).

by Anonymousreply 23906/09/2012

Link please, r240.

The UN was founded by various national governments after WW2 acting together. It's not like a bunch of the richest people got together and founded it.

In the last few posts we see the latest right-wing memes. It's the usual throw whatever caca at the wall and see what sticks, i.e. "you're a commie!" "you're an anti-semite" and the ever-popular "rich people are the source of all good works in the world"

by Anonymousreply 24106/09/2012

Men with guns, we are hiring now.

by Anonymousreply 24206/09/2012

The army knows it's coming. It won't give local police guns anymore until they account for all the arms they've received over the years. There will be Armed Revolt in this country, and the 1% will be slaughtered like the shits they are.

by Anonymousreply 24406/09/2012

Rockefeller donating land is quite different from founding the UN. And yes, another plot of land would have undoubtedly been found.

by Anonymousreply 24506/09/2012

Plus he surely would have received a huge tax deduction and no doubt other benefits and favors for his largesse.

by Anonymousreply 24606/09/2012

R244, unfortunately the 1 percent will have left the country long before then, with the help of the US government, just like the Bin Laden family did hours after 9/11.

by Anonymousreply 24706/09/2012

I read your first two sentences, r248. You sound like a really ignorant fool who lives in a dreamworld...you close your eyes to reality.

by Anonymousreply 24906/09/2012

By the way R248, I do blame a legislature that spoils the rich and makes it damn near impossible for a middleclass family to exist. I do blame a government that favors corporate welfare on every level but refuses to give welfare to our ailing veterans. STOP listening to Rush and learn the real facts, cuntface.

by Anonymousreply 25006/09/2012

Bin Laden family...you mean just like that Enron guy conveniently died of a heart attack the day before he had to go to prison? What a lovely country we live in!

by Anonymousreply 25106/09/2012

It would serve a great purpose. It would stop them from running our country like they do today.

by Anonymousreply 25406/09/2012

[quote]Wow, not sure how I found this forum!

Wow, you found it when Freeper Troll Central sent you here. You should know that they only send us the worst, most witless, bottom-feeding trolls. But don't give up on your dreams of someday becoming a big, fat, professional right-wing bloviator like your hero Rush.

Oh and learn how to form paragraphs.

by Anonymousreply 25506/09/2012

R248 is some Mormon chick who's also posting in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 25606/09/2012

We aren't blaming them for our failures. We are blaming them for destroying our country. You're a no good c*nt, a professional liar and a prostitute.

by Anonymousreply 25706/09/2012

In America you are only free to do what you want if you are rich, including free to leave the country, because that costs money too.

by Anonymousreply 25806/09/2012

The rich have been trying to kill us with expensive shoddy medical care, poisonous cheap chemically treated food, usury interest rates, and poor working conditions for decades.

by Anonymousreply 25906/09/2012

What r257 and r259 said

by Anonymousreply 26006/09/2012

[quote]We? And as long as you're talking about "reason, logic, or data" how about you put-up or shut-up until you can manage doing what you're demanding of others.

Yes, dear, "we." Do try to keep up.

Oh, and, dear? A) I don't have to, since old fart was the one making the silly claims; it's up to him to support them, which he utterly failed to do; and, B) I did, as you would see had you bothered to read.

by Anonymousreply 26106/09/2012

What should be done? You see a man like Romney, a man who specializes in borrowing money to supposedly buy a company, a company in trouble. In the mean time, instead of repairing the company with his loan money, he invest the money in the stock market, and makes a killing. And what does he do with the company he was supposedly going to save? He lets it go under, then he declares bankruptcy. So....what should we do to that type of business man? We should send him to prison or perhaps to drive home a message, we could send him to the guillotine. That is my preference.

by Anonymousreply 26206/09/2012

Can we start with Jay Leno?

by Anonymousreply 26306/09/2012

R262 He buys the company then makes them borrow money to "improve operations." But instead of improving operations, the borrowed money goes to him while he cuts the company's staff and pillages their operation. Then he sells out, and they are left to go bankrupt, stiffing the creditors who borrowed to line his pockets.

Rinse, repeat.

by Anonymousreply 26406/09/2012

who lent to line his pockets, not borrowed.

by Anonymousreply 26506/09/2012

DataLounge is liberal space, R266. This is not the site for you. Get the fuck off this board and never return.

by Anonymousreply 26706/09/2012

This thread is still here.

by Anonymousreply 26806/09/2012

In the great tradition of Data Lounge, R266, from all of us, we sincerely say, Die in a Grease Fire.

by Anonymousreply 26906/09/2012

No. I want him to be burned in a grease fire but please don't let him/her die in the grease...let the fucker live for another 50 years...suffering and in pain. That would make me truely happy.

by Anonymousreply 27006/09/2012

Oh, come on now, that was a classic troll response, at R266. Sheer poetry.

by Anonymousreply 27106/09/2012

[quote]Just a real person with a real brain.

Evidently not. There's this concept called "hyperbole" I want to introduce you to. You should check it out.

by Anonymousreply 27206/09/2012

Look, we could have one Guillotine for Men, and one Guillotine for Women. Problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 27306/09/2012

War on the 1% fuckers! Let's start with R199.

by Anonymousreply 27406/10/2012

R213, are you fucking kidding? Bill "vaccinate the population to zero" Gates?

Get a fucking clue. He and his pals Soros, and Buffet are the fucking worst of them all. Ted Turner just said he wants to get the global population under a few million.

by Anonymousreply 27506/10/2012

If that's true that would mean Turner is likely responsible for the Georgia Guide Posts.

by Anonymousreply 27606/10/2012

What's the Georgie Guide Post?

by Anonymousreply 27706/10/2012

It's all that cunt Julie's fault.

by Anonymousreply 27806/10/2012

This is the problem, the people who should be killed, we don't actually know where they live and they have body guards and lots of guns. I'm unarmed. Since I'm not a beauty, how do I even get close to these people? We simply need to vote people in, who want a revolution...then they pass a guillotine law.

by Anonymousreply 27906/10/2012

In the movies they befriend people who are bodyguards or very pretty and use them to get close.

by Anonymousreply 28006/10/2012

No, the sick fucks are the greedy assholes who hoard cash like that old housefrau hoarded clothes and purses until her house was so full there was no where to sit or sleep.

by Anonymousreply 28206/11/2012

Can you imagine what these bastards are doing...hoarding money when people are desparate for work? Corporate leaders should get exactly what they deserve.

by Anonymousreply 28306/11/2012

Like in Gangs of NY when the little people rose up and went after the rich fucks ruining their lives. That's what needs to be done.

Don't let the so-called wealthy "liberals" fool you. They're just as bad as the wealthy neo-cons. In fact they're worse because they PRETEND to stick up for the people when all they want is our demise. At least the neo-cons show their true evil colors.

by Anonymousreply 28406/11/2012

We need to stop giving all of our money to defense contractors, it's killing US and innocent citizens around the world.

The rich pay next to nothing in taxes and our poor middleclass has to cover everything. It's not fair to keep giving corporations, wefare...they have billions but still refuse to hire people...

by Anonymousreply 28806/11/2012

Unfair tax laws that favor the rich are not simply in my imagination, any educated person knows the fact. Extremely wealthy companies pay NO TAXES. All your Rush Limbaugh perpetrated bullshit, won't turn us ALL into sheep. We are not all drones who sit by quietly, while the wealthy take everything.

If you look at a small country like Cuba, you see that eventually the greedy, simply become too greedy, then you get a revolution. I live in hope.

by Anonymousreply 29106/11/2012

Of course lumping the rich as all bad is pretty silly- you'd kind of have to kill off every person we gossip about on DL (to the idiotic OP)- and I mean everyone.

The irony is of course that gov't policy that has created this super rich class (nothing new, happened in the late 19th Century bascially ended by Woodrow Wilson) has been created by the not so rich at all- the middleclass and lower middleclass who vote for these Republican policies starting with Reagan. Now it is the far right and the Tea Party and the orthodox religious. In other words- the very rich are being created by the much poorer.

The other problem is that less than half of people under that age of 40 (who are not rich by in large)vote in the Unites States. More people (young people primarily) vote on AI than vote in national elections!! In other advanced democracies about 80% of those vote. These people say things like there is no difference between Obama and the Repubs and don't vote. Horrible horrible horrible, and the sign of a decadent society getting what it deserves in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 29306/11/2012

A lot of people are still confusing a bit of money with the 1% rich. Guess what, "rich people" of DL - you aren't rich enough.

It's the 1% that needs to be removed from power, along with their whole corrupt, illogical system that destroys lives world-wide, poisons our food and water and kills the earth.

by Anonymousreply 29506/11/2012

Most Americans who are not even middleclass, insist, they are. It makes sense that the upper middleclass like to pretend they are part of the 1%...YOU ARE NOT THAT RICH. You are paying the bills for the greedy 1% and you can't even figure THAT out. Grow a brain.

by Anonymousreply 29706/11/2012

I pretty much agree with r293, but to not mention the decline in education for the working class and the influx of the least educated from the United State's southern border compounds all that r293 highlights. The poorly educated rarely take voting seriously and the elite/1% has maximized this opportunity to divide and conquer. By keeping the uneducated masses fighting one another, the 1% gains the needed votes to have it their way. It truly will take an American revolution comparable to the French revolution in which their 1% was beheaded.

by Anonymousreply 29806/11/2012

Nope, R296 - you are mixing me up with someone else you want to slur. Can't touch my statements because they are true!

by Anonymousreply 29906/11/2012

Totally agree, R297. They are brainwashed suckers.

by Anonymousreply 30006/11/2012

[quote] The poorly educated rarely take voting seriously and the elite/1% has maximized this opportunity to divide and conquer. By keeping the uneducated masses fighting one another, the 1% gains the needed votes to have it their way.

True. It's not just voting, though. There is no political organization/movements/awareness like there is in Europe. I believe political opposition in the US was destroyed in the 1950s and never really recovered.

[quote]It truly will take an American revolution comparable to the French revolution in which their 1% was beheaded.

True!

by Anonymousreply 30106/11/2012

[quote]It's not just voting, though. There is no political organization/movements/awareness like there is in Europe.

The Democratic National Committee took itself away from the people in the 80s. They decided they were the experts and they would handle the politics. The people's job was just to send money and applaud.

Barbara Ehrenreich wrote a great essay on it in the late 80s or 90s.

by Anonymousreply 30206/11/2012

Wednesday, we begin on Wednesday.

by Anonymousreply 30306/11/2012

It was the Kennedys, frankly. They were 1% ers working for the 1% and pretending to be of the people. They suckered a lot of people into letting them run the Democratic party when they were the antithesis of everything the party stood for.

by Anonymousreply 30406/11/2012

[quote]*The rich support the arts. Kill them off and goodbye the Met and museums. Imagine the Mary moments if there was no opera.

50 million people without health care don't give a Gotterdammerung if there's no opera.

by Anonymousreply 30706/11/2012

commie fag and proud of it. i don't support killing anyone, but i do support a 90% top tier progressive tax rate, and a 50% estate tax for inheritance amounts over 5 million, no exemptions or deductions.

the wealth needs to be redistributed for society to function, but without bloodshed please.

by Anonymousreply 30806/11/2012

faggot? yup, and proud of it. diseased? well, i did have toenail fungus, but i went to the dr. and got that cleared up.

speaking of diseased, perhaps therapy or meds would be of help to you, r309. why don't you tell us where you are, so we can get you a low cost mental health specialist in your area? you are undoubtedly one of the poor white trash masses who the .01% has brainwashed into believing they might someday win the lottery or something.

by Anonymousreply 31006/11/2012

r309 needs to be guillotined a time or two, but who's into shit balogna.

by Anonymousreply 31106/11/2012

What we need is an American Cultural Revolution, with economists led through the streets, sporting dunce caps, and CEO's forced to pick strawberries on piecework wages.

by Anonymousreply 31206/11/2012

You got that right, r312. Then we should slice their heads from their body so they know why they are being reprimanded.

by Anonymousreply 31306/11/2012

R309 has said "commie fags" or "diseased faggot" on this thread three times. He's also worried that those on disability are getting rich. On the Limbaugh thread he said "Obama is girly."

by Anonymousreply 31406/11/2012

Sounds good, R312.

by Anonymousreply 31506/11/2012

[quote]A small group of 400 of America's most successful earners in 2009, about the number of residents living in a typical apartment building in Washington, D.C., paid almost as much in federal income taxes as the entire bottom half of America's 138 million tax filers

Which goes to show TWO things:

1. how obscenely rich those 400 are. 2. how shamefully poor the bottom 69 million are.

by Anonymousreply 31606/11/2012

Despite skyrocketing incomes, the federal tax burden on the richest 400 has been slashed, thanks to a variety of loopholes, allowable deductions and other tools. The actual share of their income paid in taxes, according to the IRS, is 16.6 percent. Adding payroll taxes barely nudges that number.

Compare that to the vast majority of Americans, whose share of their income going to federal taxes increased from 13.1 percent in 1961 to 22.5 percent in 2007.

by Anonymousreply 31706/11/2012

And what's more those 400 Americans had more wealth than 160 million Americans combined. So they still paid less than their fair share.

by Anonymousreply 31806/11/2012

Yes, R318, they love to fool around with numbers. And the lapdog press will print whatever they tell them, too. There are always those corporations that get away with paying no tax as well.

Thirty large U.S. corporations paid more money to Congressional lobbyists than they paid in taxes from 2008-2010.

The worst offender, according to the report, is General Electric. The company – which drew fire earlier this year when its lack of taxes came to light – spent over $39 million on lobbyists in 2010 alone, to firms like Federal Policy Group and Capitol Tax Partners. The energy giant avoided paying any U.S. taxes, and indeed received tax rebates totaling over $4.7 billion over the three years studied.

by Anonymousreply 31906/11/2012

I think the example of the French Revolution is basically what is needed in the USA today.

Nothing else will suffice at this point.

by Anonymousreply 32106/11/2012

Quote from Charlie: "...less than half of people under that age of 40 (who are not rich by in large) vote in the Unites States..."

By IN large??? Charlie, I can't believe you've somehow managed to convince people on DL that you're an upper-class professional of some kind.

You are an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 32206/11/2012

Many under 40 don't vote because the politicians do what ever Wall Street Billionaires want anyways.

Democracy has become a joke in the USA today.

by Anonymousreply 32306/11/2012

Tell me Quando, quando, quando and where, what country, what city?? There must be a way to take a way their lifes without killing them ;) This has to be a global thing, or else they just shift from country to country. It's time for people to regain their wild eyes, everybody 'looks' like they have been shut up in a cage, and stay in that cage, even when the door is wide open! I think its time to loose economy, and go back to the point where we needed food, and thought of money to make it easier to get food, and have money as means not as goal.. Live without status, just live. Live without greed, be happy with what you have, help eachother.. This almost sounds like brotherhood. The need to want more than your neighbors is bullshit. In the end everybody dies, bleeds and takes a shit. Now im gonna take a shit:-D

by Anonymousreply 32406/13/2012

Try a mellower weed next time, 324.

by Anonymousreply 32506/13/2012

The rich can be stopped from moving around, and so can money. Much of the $2 trillion American companies are said to be holding overseas will never come back because China won't permit it.

by Anonymousreply 32606/13/2012

The greatest threat to elites at any time is an awakened, critically thinking populace. Therefore, now that globalism (cheap labor) is here and technology can replace people in the workforce, the agenda is to eliminate the middle class. Now that we've built up the wealth of the 1% to levels unheard of in history, they must drive down our standard of living to the point where we're so busy working 2-3 jobs, or so desperate we cannot think straight that we're rendered incapable of fighting back.

“The twenty-first century, will be the era of World Controllers, the scientific caste system and Brave New World.”

And we've done it to ourselves buying into the psychopathic elite's "greed is good" value system over the last 30 years.

[quote]I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution, we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered

by Anonymousreply 32706/14/2012

[quote]Of course lumping the rich as all bad is pretty silly- you'd kind of have to kill off every person we gossip about on DL (to the idiotic OP)- and I mean everyone.

Yeah, and...is there a problem with that?

by Anonymousreply 32806/14/2012

Apparently that step is on the agenda in some places:

"If our children go hungry, yours will shed blood," reads a banner From the Miners' Strike in Spain.

The conservative Popular Party has decided to cut subsidies to the mining industry by almost two-thirds as part of its austerity program to pay back the banks and secure bail-out funds.

A slash of mining subsidies will mean the loss of thousands of jobs, about 30 thousand total, including the ripple effect.

Unemployment in Spain already is at an all-time high of 24 percent and among young people it is 52 percent.

The miners and all the rest of the people in mining communities will have no work. The communities essentially will cease to exist. Without work the people will leave for the major urban areas like Madrid. They will be homeless, pissed off, and ready to fight.

This is a recipe for social disaster.

Then there is this -- Suppose people in Spain start coordinating with people in Greece and Italy? Decide there is a common enemy?

by Anonymousreply 32906/14/2012

Bail out ; welfare for the rich

Over 1.6 billion to executive salaries, bonuses.

by Anonymousreply 33006/14/2012

Risk is socialized. Profit is privatized.

Great if you're an investor. Sucks if you work for a paycheck.

by Anonymousreply 33106/14/2012

All of our law makers are bought and paid for by wealthy corporations...even in our supreme court (especially John Roberts). It's the end of this country. Since money corrupts, I don't see any end to it...well, no good end. I hope that some other country will attack us and take over Washington. Maybe if we wipe it out, we can start fresh?

by Anonymousreply 33206/14/2012

We are all one.

by Anonymousreply 33306/14/2012

Let's go, gang!

by Anonymousreply 33406/14/2012

Hey gringos, do you realize that to the rest of the world americans are "the rich"?

by Anonymousreply 33506/14/2012

[quote]Hey gringos, do you realize that to the rest of the world americans are "the rich"?

So?

This one of the problems, this race to the bottom. It is the same as complaining that government employees and union are over paid or have too generous benefits. Perhaps the problem is that you are under paid or that you benefits are below par.

by Anonymousreply 33606/14/2012

R335 has never been outside the USA.

by Anonymousreply 33706/14/2012

R338:

There is a big difference between making a few million from accomplishing something in your lifetime and having had billions for generations with senators and presidents to do your bidding.

The wealth we are after is the concentrated wealth that controls banks, investment firms, and corporations, the people who have enough wealth and have had it long enough to set corporate policy and foreign policy that perpetuates wealth and screws the rest of us decade after decade.

You don't get a seat at the table when oil companies decide to invade Iraq by saving up a few million making movies.

We are after a whole different level of power, ruling class power.

by Anonymousreply 34006/14/2012

R338 and r340 --

Gore Vidal's theory is that celebs and new money were bred for cannon fodder if a revolution ever breaks out. People will slaughter Kardasians and Snoop Dogs, and maybe Goldman Sacks execs, unknowingly running past the 1%ers, who keep a low profile, and can come out to watch the proceedings unmolested.

by Anonymousreply 34106/14/2012

That's why we need to identify the REAL assholes. Artist get paid the way the public wants to pay them. It's not their fault that Americans will buy the Kardashians...the real problem are the Mitt Romney's...they destroy the working class...they give us slave wages and send our jobs to India and China.

by Anonymousreply 34206/14/2012

Charge any politician who bails out Corporations with Treason.

by Anonymousreply 34306/14/2012

R343, charge the corporations with treason.

by Anonymousreply 34406/14/2012

They have committed treason and that is exactly how they can be charged.

We can't even get Bush, Cheney and Rumefeld to be charged with warcrimes...they robbed us of everything and killed 100 thousand innocent people...no charges. I give up.

by Anonymousreply 34606/14/2012

A big f&f for r345. What a sad excuse for a human being.

And pointing at "rich celebs" is just another right-wing distraction tactic.

by Anonymousreply 34806/14/2012

R348:

It is a common distraction. In unity there is strength, and those who speak for wealth and privilege know that. They will say anything to try to get us to fight each other.

They have money, the media, the cops, the armed forces, and the government. We have each other. It's that simple. They have destroyed our strongest asset if they get us to fight among ourselves.

To decide who is on our side don't look at what is in a bank account. That's the least reliable indicator. Whenever there has been a revolution there have been millionaires, no, billionaires in terms of today's dollars, who have joined the resistance because they knew it was the right thing to do.

Here is what you look at. What does the person do for a living? Does it add to the general welfare of all the people in our society in some way and that can be diversion, entertainment, or whatever, but is this person a plus in the overall scheme of things?

Does he make regular people happier, safer, more economically secure?

Does his working life, or what he does away from the job, bring forward the building of strong organizations to fight for causes that help working people?

Where is the person's heart? Does he side with those who steal our money and destroy our public benefits?

What does he do when a progressive cause, whether it is national health care, the union movement, immigration rights, GLBT issues, women's rights, whenever an organization on the right side of things, meaning the left side, says it needs help, does he pitch in?

If all you do is say, "That person is a millionaire, he is the enemy of working people," that really is no different than saying, "Union members make more than people who make minimum wage, so union workers with good jobs are the enemy."

We can't buy into that. We have to keep our eye on the enemy -- point up, don't point sideways or down.

by Anonymousreply 35006/14/2012

These millionaires who are on our side, they 1) don't exist; or 2) aren't sociopathic CEOs but people living on interest. So the entire point of your screed makes no sense.

Do the Republicans care who are the good poor and who are the bad poor when they cut food stamps in half? Do they care who has a productive job when they decided insurers need not cover people with pre-existing conditions? No. Their plan is genocide. Wake up.

by Anonymousreply 35206/14/2012

Brilliant posts R350 and R352. I wish all Americans could read them and yes, wake the fuck up from the coma most have been in since 1981. We have to stop demonizing each other race against race, workers against the poor union against non union, gay against straight, etc. We have to get together and FIGHT the real enemy. How did we get to where workers, like those in WI and some of the poor vote against their own best interest? How did we get to where we sit and watch while people are stripped of their right to vote like in Florida especially when we know that is how W got elected? How did we become a country who don't lift a finger when we see people die from lack of medical care and when the most vulnerable people in our country have even food taken away from them?

I sure hope Occupy gets its act together and quickly.

by Anonymousreply 35306/14/2012

FACT: The Bottom 50% of Americans pay MORE of their income in taxes than the richest 1%.

by Anonymousreply 35406/14/2012

I doubt if there are many stars who actually make the $20 million anymore. I can't think of any star that the studios can really count on to bring in that much revenue. Times have changed...I guess we will see when Tom Cruise opens this weekend.

by Anonymousreply 35506/14/2012

Sr. Simone, the spokeswoman for Nuns on the bus, (@NetworkLobby on Twitter) will be on MSNBC's The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell tonight 10pm EST. These are a group of nuns fighting the Paul Ryan plan and the Vatican's evilness against gay people and women not to mention the Vatican chastising another group of nuns for spending too much time helping the poor.

by Anonymousreply 35606/14/2012

R356, I saw her on Colbert. She's FAN FUCKING TASTIC!

by Anonymousreply 35706/14/2012

[quote]Do the Republicans care who are the good poor and who are the bad poor when they cut food stamps in half? Do they care who has a productive job when they decided insurers need not cover people with pre-existing conditions? No. Their plan is genocide. Wake up.

You know, I used to really agree that people on food stamps were just lazy fucks who were feeding off the tax dollars of honest, hardworking people. Now I'm 23, graduated from college a year and a half ago, and struggled to find a job fucking serving coffee. I know MANY people who are on food stamps (all also working college grads), and am starting to think it'd be better if I looked into it myself. I'm waking up, and I'm fucking sick of this divide-and-conquer bullshit. I have never voted in any election before this year (I preferred to pick "neither of two evils"), but I'm registering to vote for Obama. I was never in the "let's all suck Obama's dick" cult back in '08, and still am not, but the alternative is just TOO fucking much.

by Anonymousreply 35806/14/2012

R355, no one young cares about Tom Cruise except to comment on what a laughable closet case he is (which is all I've heard for years whenever his name comes up).

by Anonymousreply 35906/14/2012

IA R357, she is!

R358. You are wise for your years. I'm sorry life is already so hard for you but at least you're fighting to make it better by voting. If you can, get your friends to do the same. If Romney wins and the GOP gets the Senate there is little hope for a better life for you and your friends, ever. Obama isn't what we wish but right now he is by very, very far the lesser of two evils.

by Anonymousreply 36006/14/2012

Thank you, R360. That wasn't a very articulate post; I was just ranting, but it's great to have people recognize and respect the frustration my generation is feeling right now.

by Anonymousreply 36206/14/2012

R361 - You don't get it. No matter how rich you dream of becoming, you are nowhere near what we are talking about.

by Anonymousreply 36306/14/2012

It was quite articulate and well said R358/362. I absolutely understood. What the GOP, top 1%, is doing is taking hope away, especially from the young. They don't want you to fight. They have spent over 30 years, long before you were born, taking the fight out of Americans. People like you, who will fight back whether it's through a movement like Occupy or with your vote are what they fear the most. I am very proud of you. You are the hope they've been and are trying to stop. Don't let the bad guys win.

by Anonymousreply 36406/14/2012

R350, 9 times out of 10, a person who belongs to the one-tenth of one percent is NOT on the people's side, and 7-8 times out of ten, a person who belongs to the one percent is not on the people's side.

As far as celebs go, if they're A-listers, they're prob trash (most B, C, D prob don't know what's going on). George Clooney and Jolie are CFR members. They say all the right things... supposedly do all the right things, but they're nothing more than shills for the power elite. Jolie was war-mongering not too long ago.

So it's not as simple as hearing the right words. RESEARCH them, and RESEARCH who they affiliate themselves with, and you'll get a pretty good idea of where their heart is. You cannot tell by simply looking and listening.

And if you think Obama is any friend of the people, you are dead wrong. Under the cover of the left, he is carrying out and extending the policies of W. He's even more dangerous because he's got the people who usually speak out, the left, silent on what amounts to human atrocities all over the world, not to mention his atrocious record on so called transparency.

Check out all the executive orders he signed. Check out NDAA, LOST, his stingy record on clemency, his escalation of drones, his SECRET KILL LIST. He won't even pardon a 24-year old black man in for THREE life sentences, for WITNESSING a drug deal when he was 17, and there are a shitload of cases just like that.

The wealthy and powerful are not our friends. And if they are, they either die, or lose most of their wealth and prestige. The power elite will make sure of it.

Cases in point: Tupac, Britney Murphy and her husband (exposing Homeland Security), Michael Jackson, Dave Chappelle, DMX, Joni Mitchell, Ol Dirty Bastard, John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Princess Di, Senator Wellstone, JFK, MLK, RFK, George Michael (outed when he had the fight with Sony), Britney Spears, ...All, either dead or oppressed by the system in some way.

by Anonymousreply 36506/14/2012

How did Brittany Murphy and her husband expose Homeland Security??

by Anonymousreply 36606/15/2012

Why is it easier to believe 150,000,000 Americans are being lazy rather than 400 Americans are being greedy?

The answer might have something to do with the 40 year effort of: The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, the University of Chicago Economics Department, the Wall Street Journal, David Brooks, Pete Petersen, Joseph Coors, John Paulson, Americans for Prosperity, the Business Roundtable, the Chamber of Commerce, Fox News etc.

Plus the fact that when placing blame, it is always easier, and more satisfying, to kick down rather than to point up. Pointing up means work, kicking down means scapegoating.

by Anonymousreply 36706/15/2012

Damn, r365! That's quite the laundry list. Maybe if you focused a bit and backed your shit up it might make sense.

by Anonymousreply 36806/15/2012

Rich = Ruthless

by Anonymousreply 37006/15/2012

R370 = Mitt Romney

by Anonymousreply 37106/15/2012

R370 = intimidated by the truth

by Anonymousreply 37206/15/2012

'I hope to be rich someday, and even if I don't become rich, it's something I want, so if I want to kill the rich, on some level, I want to kill myself' sez R361.

How, R361, is that a foundation to build a system on? You will never be rich. Sorry.

And in the meantime, you think it is alright for persons with generations of wealth stacked behind them to have a HUGE advantage over you in getting-keeping money?

You are such a purblind masochist.

by Anonymousreply 37306/15/2012

Oh, and did you see the story about Allen Stamford, who bilked investors of 7 billion? Not in the least repentent.

Proud of his business practices, he said.

When atty asked if anyone in the courtroom had been hurt by Stamford, half of the people stood.

The rich are psychopaths.

Why do you want to be rich? To be queen?

by Anonymousreply 37406/15/2012

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes

by Anonymousreply 37506/15/2012

i'm so thankful the rich can write off dressage horse ownership on their taxes.

by Anonymousreply 37706/20/2012

What have fat people ever done to you R377? Oh, nothing.

by Anonymousreply 37806/20/2012

Are fat people stealing your wages and putting them in overseas bank accounts?

by Anonymousreply 37906/20/2012

A few do give to charity. A few are actually good people. A few corporate leaders, actually want to do the right thing by their workers and guess what? They are still very rich. You can be rich and generous with employees, all at the same time...but if you are full of greed, you just want it. But you still can't take it with you.

by Anonymousreply 38106/20/2012

No it reflects the cost cutting zeal and bad chemistry of the food industry R383.

by Anonymousreply 38306/20/2012

You nailed it R384. Obesity has been directly tied to poverty. You can get a huge bag of filling cheese puffs for 99 cents. In my area a single banana or apple is more than 99 cents and lettuce and other vegetables are way more. And even a young child is not full after eating a piece of fruit or some vegetables.

by Anonymousreply 38406/20/2012

Really, how many cars, houses, boats, planes, clothes, jewelry, shoes, and so on does one person need?

I mean most of us are wealthy compared to the rest of the world. From cheap shit to luxuries, most products are often produced in third world nations. These people work an entire month for a wage that is less than what the average American earns in an hour, or a day, in order to put food on their tables, if they can even do that.

We're all greedy, but the 1% are so greedy they're evil.

by Anonymousreply 38506/21/2012

R385

There are several things that play into the obesity situation in this country.

One factor is the change in agriculture. Before the '60s, we grew all the crops we could sell. With the Green Revolution, we started growing all the crops we could.

Increased production beyond what people were used to eating meant surplus. If farmers didn't sell all they grew they didn't make as much money as they might. So food was marketed. One way that happened was that the serving sizes went up.

When McDonalds started, the patty size was something like 1.6oz. The average patty sold in the United States now is something like 8 oz. Anybody remember the "Can we super size that?"

Restaurants figured out that they could increase profits by serving larger portions, which don't cost much more than smaller portions, and boosting the price more than the extra food costs.

Then over the 70s and 80s, as our wages deteriorated, more people in each family worked longer hours, and people relied on fast food instead of grocery stores and self-prepared food.

We got bigger.

by Anonymousreply 38706/21/2012

Nonsense. Except for soybeans we are now a net food importer.

by Anonymousreply 38906/24/2012

NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 39110/01/2012

Be aware: the Rich control the police forces.

by Anonymousreply 39210/01/2012

Only because the average police officer manages to pull down about 150K with overtime in a big city nowadays. Maybe in small towns we can find some proles to be on our side.

Still that's just it. People making 150K should be on our side. They just have no CONCEPT of how rich these people really are.

by Anonymousreply 39310/01/2012

The rich control EVERYTHING, R392. NTM, they're killing us softly. Nazi Germany was a mess with all of those bodies, so they decided on a soft-kill through GMOs, pharmaceuticals, vaccines, increasing poverty, etc. And then of course war after war which I guess can be categorized under hard-kill.

We'll never kill the rich because we're too busy helping them kill us.

by Anonymousreply 39410/03/2012

2013 is going to be an interesting year for this topic.

by Anonymousreply 39510/03/2012

Not today...

by Anonymousreply 39610/03/2012

I don't even think people sign petitions or boycott now. I remember there were all of these boycotts in the 70s and 80s. I think now people accept that everything is corrupt and they can't do anything, or they are apathetic and don't care, or are playing video games and watching reality tv.

by Anonymousreply 39710/03/2012

R57 is an idiot. The rich treat the rest of us like cattle. They steal the intellect of the poor educated(I have a phd in applied sciences and have never made more than $50,000/yr). right now due to company downsizing, I work for 20K They exploit the bodies of our poor sisters and daughter's. It's a simple equation people

accountability = goodness (Necessitated goodness but goodness none the less)

no accountability = evil

the rich are not accountable to anyone.

Therefore they are evil and should be put down. their shit redistributed and their fucking stuck up daughters raped.

by Anonymousreply 39810/04/2012

The kidnapping of the rich has already started. The kidnappers have been caught, so far, and passed off as rouge nut cases. But, it is happening more frequently. It's starting to get like Mexico and South America. There will be many more attempts by the poor to kidnap the rich. The stupid overlord class brought it on themselves. No functioning middle class, makes everyone their enemy. They're going to have to live in compounds and hire massive 24/7 security to keep from getting kidnapped for ransom.

by Anonymousreply 39910/04/2012

i've been asking myself the same question. probably when i lose my job. i've been thinking about what to do with their families. do we kill them too? i think we should.

by Anonymousreply 40011/25/2012

You're an idiot and deserve to be skewered along with all the EXXXon fat plutocrats.

by Anonymousreply 40211/25/2012

Wow, R398, you really are a fool. (With a Ph.D. in science, I can hardly call you an idiot). What the hell is the matter with you? You should have the wherewithal to be part of the owner class. Do you have zero ambition? Don't you ever work on your own projects or get together with others to work on an interesting project that could lead to something?

For god's sake, wake up! People are suffering and you are sitting on your ass and whining. Frankly, if they are going to eat the rich, someone as worthless as you are should be the pre-dinner hors d'oeuvre.

by Anonymousreply 40311/25/2012

I agree that the very wealthy bare no accountability.

by Anonymousreply 40411/25/2012

Do you all know how much better off we all would be if there were no elite class? Do you?

by Anonymousreply 40511/26/2012

R401= Jensen Ackles.

by Anonymousreply 40611/26/2012

It would be better

I hereby elect Grover Norqvist to be the first sacrifice!

by Anonymousreply 40711/26/2012

The OP reminds me of this schizotypal queen who is into Wicca type crap. He has a menial clerk job, cruises guys at train stations and I'm not kidding, lives in his parents' basement. He often talks about fantasies of murdering "rich" people or just anyone who has their life together. He talks about committing suicide. The OP isn't trolling but in a lot of pain. Schizos talk like this and are dangerous if they're the paranoid type.

by Anonymousreply 40811/26/2012

R13: Those gates won't hold back a horde with weaponry. I don't care how many armed guards you have there are far more of us than there are of them.

by Anonymousreply 40911/26/2012

The rich are already dependent on security. Security which we can turn against them.

by Anonymousreply 41011/26/2012

R409, as economic inequality rises, as the rich extract increasingly higher and higher fractions of global wealth and the rich get richer, the powerful elite get stronger. Right now, the middle class is being moved into the lower class. So there might be more of us, but the elite have built up such an arsenal of weapons of a technological standard more advanced than we can imagine that can eliminate billions of people in a relatively short period of time that we don't stand a chance.

The paradox is that along with rising economic inequality and apartheid is mounting consumerism and materialism that is used to pacify, distract and control the masses. Even the poor can have cell phones, 24-7 Internet access and cars, while the upper class travel in private jets and yachts, vacation on private islands, and have several gated mansions maintained by servants and guarded by private police. We have a technologically advanced form of medieval society.

The only real power of the masses is as consumers, not as voters, workers, activists, or Internet users or revolutionaries. Stop buying. Stop feeding the monster.

by Anonymousreply 41111/27/2012

Not really R411. The rich can't actually operate that technology by themselves.

by Anonymousreply 41211/27/2012

I don't want to kill the rich but there are a few I'd definitely like to beat the shit out of...I'm looking at you Trump truck!

by Anonymousreply 41311/27/2012

Are you kidding, R412? That's what the military (trained killers) and law enforcement is for. If you don't think that they'll carry out orders even if it's against their own people, think again. Not to mention, the international and mercenary soldiers.

by Anonymousreply 41411/27/2012

You're not following world events R414. Why did the USSR collapse: the army and KGB stopped cooperating against the people. Why did Libya and Egypt and Tunisia collapse? Same reason. Revolution happens when the flunkies the rich depend on for security turn on them. We are much closer to that point than you think. There isn't a doorman or a gate guard in Manhattan or Fairfield County, Connecticut that would lift one finger to protect a hedge fund billionaire. Or his lawyer.

by Anonymousreply 41511/28/2012

[quote]I have a phd in applied sciences and have never made more than $50,000/yr). right now due to company downsizing, I work for 20K

How pathetic. Lemme guess, you're a high functioning autistic with zero interpersonal skills. Am I right?

by Anonymousreply 41611/28/2012

R417 moves to the top of the list.

by Anonymousreply 41811/28/2012

Let's start with members of the congress... then work on abolishing federal governmental parties... if you don't get elected as an independent you won't serve we the people...

by Anonymousreply 42012/22/2012

just kill them secretly

by Anonymousreply 42101/04/2013

History has had many examples of this actually happening, so it could happen again.

by Anonymousreply 42301/04/2013

The government would drop an A-bomb. Americans have no power over anything. Move on.

by Anonymousreply 42401/04/2013

R422, don't delude yourself that there are dangerous psychotics lurking here. DL is on life support these days. This thread is just a circle jerk of a half dozen angry, unemployed basement dwellers.

by Anonymousreply 42501/04/2013

It just takes one, R422.

by Anonymousreply 42601/04/2013

Just Get rid of all of the attorneys, and the celebrities.

by Anonymousreply 42701/08/2013

R422 you're the psychotic. A psychotic ass kisser to the rich.

by Anonymousreply 42801/09/2013

But here's the thing R422. Those rich people snigger at you behind your back.

by Anonymousreply 42901/09/2013

Do people really need 4 large houses around the world, a large boat, a plane and clothes that cost more than the average yearly income of most Americans and untold millions of dollars in offshore accounts? The sooner the middle class arise and take back this greed it will of course be redistributed to others with the same greed concept... so what to do? Kill those that live by this greed philosophy. Soon the word will get around that sharing is caring. I would be happy to put the first bullet into the brain of anyone that does not care enough about their own fellow man to realize it should be a trickle up economy, not a trickle down, and anyone that feels they need to have subserviants to survive do not deserve to be alive.

by Anonymousreply 43001/09/2013

Hate is a soul virus, designed to infect and destroy the weak and ill of heart. Love will bring you into another dimension of joy.

by Anonymousreply 43101/09/2013

Spoken like someone who has never had a real challenge in his life and who has no concept on the precipice we are teetering on R431. Plus typically arrogant, presuming to speak for the Universe because one has a few bucks.

by Anonymousreply 43201/09/2013

I think you need backing from a government to do it but frankly...in many cases (The Coch(sp) Brothers, The Walton Family) we would be doing the world a favor.

by Anonymousreply 43301/09/2013

I'm not an unemployeed basement dweller. The fact is, the 2% have over done it with their greed...they did it to themselves. They should be hated and they should be gone....or they could pay their employees, fair wages. It's up to them. Why can't they turn into human beings?

Fair wages and our economy is back on track, with EVERYONE paying taxes.

by Anonymousreply 43401/09/2013

Rich people are arrogant, thoughtless, lack common sense, lack sense of humor, greedy, look down on people who are not as wealthy (class discrimination), dont mix with poorer people, (if white (and mainly are) tend to be racist - btw Im white myself but dont f**kin agree with white posh people attitude and ignorance) - dont mix with other races, put nose down at people and demand special treatment

Why are the most caring, hard-working people insulted, put down, taken advantage of, used for excuses against posh people wrong-doing

they are so IGNORANT, ARROGANT, UNCARING, SPOILT, RUDE, CLASSIST, SEXIST, RACIST, SNOBBYIEST, LOOKING DOWN NOSE, DEMANDING, UNHAPPY people EVER.

they are quick to call a working class or black person 'loud, rude, blah blah' they need to stop being jealous of confidence cause of there fearful demanding high expectation attitude and realise by being that way their the rude ones and sometimes its good to HAVE A LAUGH AND SMILE without pathetic rules

they need to learn a new place. Its not a case of I own the land and you are the peasants, its not a case of slavery and Im better than you attitude.

They gotta be bottom eventually and time will come when the disrespectful attitude posh people show to non-posh people is looked down on and shameful as it is but people wont admit it as we are controlled by posh people.

the hard-working, loving, considerate, respectful, happy, fun people deserve to be more respected and given a better life and roles people want to do.

its not posh people that earn their place in life and that people who arnt posh deserve a lower place. We just gotta stop being controlled by money.

should be a time where money dont earn respect and we all refuse to work and all group together and live as one and leave them to moan about it until they get used to the fact its unity or a massive fight for unity

by Anonymousreply 43501/12/2013

The very fact that in 2008 it was Richard Mellon Scaife and in 2012 the Koch Brothers should tell you something, namely, that there is a huge conspiracy and they are passing around the front man title as a protection.

by Anonymousreply 43601/12/2013

Let us torture them for as long as they can survive before they die.

by Anonymousreply 43706/27/2013

When enough people are starving and homeless, probably.

by Anonymousreply 43806/27/2013

Neither will gluttony and greed, r439, if you want to go there. And your muumuu doesn't hide that well.

by Anonymousreply 44006/27/2013

When they finally destroy SS and Medicare.

IOW, when they declare war.

by Anonymousreply 44106/27/2013

All these rich people at datalounge and you just know they're the ones bitching over $18.

by Anonymousreply 44206/27/2013

Class war! Death to the rich now.

by Anonymousreply 44306/27/2013

Be careful what you wish for.

There's plenty of people in the world who would consider everyone posting to DL rich.

by Anonymousreply 44406/27/2013

In London, England they are already starting to build new, bomb proof condo developments, staffed by ex-SAS as security officers. They are selling out in days. (1 High Street)

You know what type of world is coming....?

by Anonymousreply 44606/27/2013

Who do you people think funds the charities, food banks, homeless shelters, etc? It sure isn't the poor.

by Anonymousreply 44706/27/2013

Off with their heads!

by Anonymousreply 44806/27/2013

447, so they're supposed to feel grateful for charity? Ugh, it should be more about people getting their fair share. Wages and the gap between the rich and the poor is stupid sometimes.

by Anonymousreply 44906/27/2013

Work is better than charity. Charity just enables, say conservatives. Well they are right, but mostly it just enables dishonest people like B. Gates and W. Buffet to feel good about their crimes.

by Anonymousreply 45006/27/2013

And about not working. We do have a dependency crisis in this country called the IDLE RICH: unproductive worthless shitheads who dabble in politics and try to control everyone else's entertainmetn and news.

by Anonymousreply 45106/27/2013

I've heard from two sources that David H. Koch is gay as is his brother William, the one who lives in Europe.

Should they be spared?

by Anonymousreply 45206/27/2013

[quote]Who do you people think funds the charities, food banks, homeless shelters, etc? It sure isn't the poor.

You're correct. It is the working poor who live paycheck to paycheck and pay their taxes.

They don't get to have tax shelters and "business" write-offs.

by Anonymousreply 45306/27/2013

OMG, I'm piss poor so I'm not worried. But I have this one friend in particular. Uh oh. Funny thing is, I feel like killing him myself because he's an asshole not because he's rich.

Leave the rich alone. They're in their own personal hell. Everyone thinks they want money. It will make them happy. What they really want is a break. Maybe a little luxury. So many people play the lottery. But have you ever seen those lottery winner shows, with the tacky taste and the vehicle repossessions when it's gone...

My asshole friend tells me he lives on the interest and, compared to how he used to be, is relatively frugal these days. But he needs to be on medication and, except for me, has to pay people to hang out with him.

Are you sparing gay millionaires? Or is everyone being lined up? He contributes regularly to gay causes and generally does more good than harm, so when you homicidal maniacs get to his name, skip it. For me.

Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 45406/27/2013

Socialists believe everyone is fighting over an antelope carcass.

Wealth is not a fixed sum, you fucking idiots.

Capitalists create wealth. Everyone becomes richer due to their efforts.

I don't give a shit about wealth disparity. Is the average person better off? That is the salient question.

by Anonymousreply 45506/27/2013

[quote]Capitalists create wealth. Everyone becomes richer due to their efforts.

Yes, the African-American community is swimming in abundant wealth due to Capitalism.

by Anonymousreply 45606/27/2013

When your plane nosedives into a frozen tundra, and everyone is done eating all the dead ones.

by Anonymousreply 45706/27/2013

There are abundant blue prints for guillotines on the internet. I think we need to update them to work like the motorized pizza ovens at Domino's so we don't wear ourselves out dragging each person to the cachunker.

by Anonymousreply 45806/27/2013

R449. So I'm supposed to give up part of my income to someone who didn't put in the effort? No fucking thank you.

by Anonymousreply 46006/27/2013

R458, you made me choke.

by Anonymousreply 46106/27/2013

[quote]Neither will gluttony and greed,

Are you sure about that?

by Anonymousreply 46206/27/2013

1 percenters think everyone in the world, who is not a Billionaire, is a socialist.

by Anonymousreply 46406/27/2013

Deftly argued, R465.

touche'

by Anonymousreply 46606/28/2013

I call for a revolution against a system that impoverishes more and more of the 99% every day while it lines the already lined pockets of the 1%.

Fuck the wealthy. Let's turn the tables.

by Anonymousreply 46706/29/2013

Could you people please type a little more slowly.

by Anonymousreply 46806/29/2013

It's also in the interest of the rich that poorer people can lead in a decent life. Suppose they would stop collecting trash and stop supplying medical aid to people living in NY's poor neighbourhoods: diseases like cholera and the plague don't care if you live in Hunts Point or Manhattan, everyone will eventually suffer.

The other option for the rich would be to seclude themselves in gated communities, just like royalty in ancient times. But would they honestly want to live in a Mad Max type of wasteland where they need to pay others ( security, bodyguards) to not kill them or be killed?

by Anonymousreply 46906/29/2013

The wealthy are huge parasites.

For every dollar the richest 1% earned in 1980, they've added 4 more dollars. The poorest 90% have added ONE CENT. So workers have quadrupled their productivity over three decades while the richest 1% have MORE than quadrupled their share of income. Meanwhile worker pay remains flat as the top 5% took almost all the productivity gains since 1980.

They've increased their incomes by not paying taxes or very little tax through all kinds of tax shelters, loopholes, fake foundations and "philanthropy". The richest 5% own over 80% of the stock market, providing billions in unearned income that is taxed at less than half the rate of income earned through real work.

And they've contributed very little to society and studies show that increased wealth is correlated with a lesser degree of empathy for others. In other words, the richer you get, the more evil.

But despite their dependency on society for EVERYTHING, the super-rich have apparently "earned" the right to live in their own privileged world.

by Anonymousreply 47006/29/2013

What a bunch of limited thinking people. The rich are beyond your thinking. They think really big on subjects like population control. Just this week I read the creator of AIDS admitted he created it to depopulate the planet. GMO crops? same reason. DeaL WITH IT. Moral indignation will not change anything.

by Anonymousreply 47106/29/2013

Don't kill, just torture

by Anonymousreply 47206/29/2013

How do you get rid of parasites? Vampires?

Answer: Cleanse.

Garlic?

Cloves?

No, you stop feeding them. Cut off their food source. Think about it.

by Anonymousreply 47306/29/2013

I guess it was bad timing to appear in that fucking Forbes list

by Anonymousreply 47506/29/2013

Actually, r473 makes sense, which is more than can be said for 474!

by Anonymousreply 47606/29/2013

[quote]Capitalists create wealth. Everyone becomes richer due to their efforts.

How does money - a man-made concept- create more money without reducing the value of the money that was previously in existence?

by Anonymousreply 47706/29/2013

R473, what are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 47806/29/2013

Soon, I hope.

by Anonymousreply 47906/29/2013

But it's not true R481 and based on false goals.

The rich are destroying the growth potential of the nation, and you know it.

by Anonymousreply 48106/29/2013

After forty years of being treated as a non-entity by the rich because I am gay I would love to make them grovel crawl through glass, and beseech me about how they were "good rich" people. And I'd show them just as much mercy as they showed my late lover.

by Anonymousreply 48206/29/2013

I'm not dead yet!

by Anonymousreply 48306/29/2013

[quote]The rich are destroying the growth potential of the nation

Growth? Why do we need more growth in this country? That's an old Thatcherite canard.

There is enough of everything -- we just don't want to share it.

by Anonymousreply 48406/29/2013

The revolution I'd like to see would be done by some genius hackers. Just like the scenario in the movie the Net where Sandra Bullock's character has her identity wiped out, I'd love to see the major wealthy families of the world identities wiped out and stricken in entirety. I'd love to see then become non entities no record of them existing anywhere on the planet. Imagine the feeding frenzy of everyone just under them to grab for position. We'd just have to sit back and watch them take each other out.

Best part is the only ones of us that will get hurt will be those that remain loyal to them or loyal to the next level of wealthy that will be scrambling for position. There is really nothing we CAN do but sit and watch.

by Anonymousreply 48506/29/2013

The wealthiest 300 INDIVIDUALS have more wealth than the poorest 3 BILLION.

It's time.

by Anonymousreply 48607/25/2013

Change the rules.

Our world has never been more connected or more prosperous than it is today. Yet right now, one in every three of us alive today does not have access to the most basic needs for a decent life - food, education, medical care, a safe environment.

by Anonymousreply 48707/25/2013

Gore Vidal had a theory that "celebrities" were the expendables when the mobs starting rioting. Those trashy Kardashians would be the first to get wiped out just on general principle. These low level types are to be distractions the mob would take it anger out on before the mob realized the really rich, whom are not on the covers of tabloids, are the truly evil.

by Anonymousreply 48807/25/2013

It seems they will take it out on each other - crime, racial attacks, gang violence, random crime, mass shootings etc before they consider anyone rich or with power celebrity or non. They actually worship the celebrities as their gods. Doesn't matter how stupid or untalented they are.

by Anonymousreply 48907/25/2013

In about 10 years time or less, you will not be able to get even NEAR the rich, or their bank accounts. Already they have their own private militias (Bloomberg has 25 "bodygards" on staff), and their compounds are in lockdown.

The 99%'s remaining wealth will be sucked out soon, and they will have virtually no power.

We have already lost the capability to turn this around, so get used to the fact you or your children will only have a future as peasants.

by Anonymousreply 49007/25/2013

The top one percent should all be strangled with their own entrails.

by Anonymousreply 49107/25/2013

Wow. Just wow. Some of these remarks. Strangle them with their entrails? Please! A nice ruby and pearl choker should do the trick.

by Anonymousreply 49207/25/2013

In Arkansas of all places there is a huge underground city just ready to move into. Jessie Ventura featured it on his show. Mt Home or Mt View, cannot remember which, has more banks per person than Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 49307/25/2013

Gore's right because celebrities are the front line expendables. The rich sacrifice celebrities already because that's what celebrities are for. There is a very fine line between love and hate when it comes to celebrity worship.

by Anonymousreply 49407/26/2013

Last chance.

by Anonymousreply 49509/25/2013

We tried that, OP.

It didn't work out too well.

by Anonymousreply 49609/25/2013

It's not time, it's long past time.

by Anonymousreply 49709/26/2013

When people realize that no government bill or law a can change the massive gap between the super rich and even those classified as rich is when they will rise up and do the only thing left to do. Kill the one percent.

by Anonymousreply 49801/10/2014

We can start any day now

by Anonymousreply 49901/10/2014

18 months since this thread began, & unless I missed my guess, the revolution hasn't yet started. But let me look out my window & see if there are any anarchists outside, hurling Molotov cocktails at the local Starbucks...

by Anonymousreply 50001/10/2014

Soon. Very very soon.

by Anonymousreply 50101/10/2014

R501...Mary, please...you sound like Dr Pretorius in the Frankenstein movies. I can almost see your wild eyes, wiggling your gloved fingertips in the air.

by Anonymousreply 50201/10/2014

Let me get this straight...

You all are quoting GORE VIDAL about how worthless/expendable "rich"* people are?

Gore Vidal, who had shitloads of money and left it to an institution that already has shitloads of money? That guy?

*I don't know about you all, but the only 1%ers I know are doctors, and I would hate to see all of them massacred.

by Anonymousreply 50301/10/2014

R501 is now going to be the target extensive surveillance by the counterrevolutionaries at Bank of America's social media department.

by Anonymousreply 50401/10/2014

R503, you have no clue what the distinction is between "rich" people and "wealthy" people, do you?

Doctors are rich. I don't think any of them are wealthy.

You don't KNOW any wealthy people. The Koch Brothers are wealthy. Wealthy people don't associate with the likes of you. Or anyone you associate with.

by Anonymousreply 50501/10/2014

R505: So, in your opinion, when Madame LaFarge & the other revolutionaries haul asses into kangaroo courts, who is going to determine the diff between "rich" and "wealthy"?

by Anonymousreply 50601/10/2014

Someone who can spell Defarge, R506.

by Anonymousreply 50701/10/2014

R507...LaFarge, Defarge...you got the message, monsieur (or is it madamoiselle?)..

But you didn't actually answer the question...

by Anonymousreply 50801/10/2014

I'm not R505, Mad[bold]e[/bold]moiselle R508, so I don't have an answer for your question.

R507 (seulement)

by Anonymousreply 50901/10/2014

straight away......kill um all

by Anonymousreply 51002/10/2014

now

by Anonymousreply 51102/10/2014

Best thread I've read in a while. Thank you.

by Anonymousreply 51202/10/2014

Now... I'm ready.

by Anonymousreply 51302/10/2014

It needs to be done.

by Anonymousreply 51402/10/2014

Yes I agree Dispose of the rich. They only value the number of zeros the can get up on their screens. At the expense of the environment ,culture, families the earth itself. Their lives are pointless. Disembowl the bastards and cook their entrails on a Brazier in front of them as they die. lets start with Cameron and Johnston

by Anonymousreply 51505/02/2014

[quote]The Koch Brothers are wealthy. Wealthy people don't associate with the likes of you.

I am not now now, never was, and never will be even remotely wealthy, but I used to be acquainted with Charles Koch's daughter. She went to grad school with a good friend of mine, and we all used to hang out on occasion.

by Anonymousreply 51605/02/2014

But what is wealthy and what is rich?

Anymore, having a million dollars socked away is nothing.

When you start having $25 million and up, THAT is rich...and there are plenty of people worldwide who have that...including some of your beloved entertainers and sports people.

How much do you think Joan Rivers is worth? George Clooney? People who appear in these huge blockbusters that keep coming out with sequels, like the dumb comic book movies? Some of the Wall Street gang?

by Anonymousreply 51705/02/2014

Wouldn't want to be one of them if I could. I'd like to poison them all!

by Anonymousreply 51805/02/2014

The mega rich use the government to get ahead. It's called fascism.

by Anonymousreply 51905/29/2014

R517-

A few million is nothing these days.

Anyone with any intelligence (and a few million) has money in property overseas.

Why do you think the IRS is now forcing any bank in the world to report ALL of their accounts?

Even if you are a citizen of Botswana, the US Government can tax your earnings. If your parents were US citizens the IRS can claim you owe taxes, even if you have never set foot in the USA.

OUR GOVERNMENT is evil and corrupt and dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 52005/29/2014

Watch the movie rampage and it says that the rich h are above the law and we will revolt

by Anonymousreply 52110/16/2014

Empty-headed group-think and rampaging brain-dead mobs are far more dangerous than "the rich".

by Anonymousreply 52210/16/2014

In 2009, we could have bankrupted them.

Did we?

by Anonymousreply 52310/16/2014

It won't be head slicing machines this time. It will be snipers.

by Anonymousreply 52410/16/2014

OP, you should have been born at the time of the French Revolution.

Still, the very wealthy and powerful are difficult to access, which might be why they are so unavailable for slaughter by the masses.

They seem powerful but they're very scared of us, actually.

by Anonymousreply 52610/16/2014

Killing is in humane, op. Confiscating their money over 1 billion dollars would be the best course of action. They've essentially stolen it from the people, hoarding money that was generated on the backs of the poorly compensated. Nobody needs more than a billion, and their is only so much money in circulation.

Problem is, who would control the confiscated dollars, and where would it go?

You see, the uber-rich bought the government, so this is where things get sticky.

Maybe killing them is the answer.

by Anonymousreply 52710/16/2014

*There

Auto correct is an oxymoron.

by Anonymousreply 52810/16/2014

The rich are exploiters, there is no if or but about it, their wealth comes from your work, their luxuries come from your hard labor.

by Anonymousreply 52910/16/2014

There is popular wisdom as well, r530, trolling the Internet with an agenda of illogical hatred is an ignorant pastime.

by Anonymousreply 53110/16/2014

Rather than kill them, we could just tax away their obscene amounts of cash.

Of course, they use weath to control the levers of political power (thank you Citzens United) and lessen the ability of the middle class to accomplish that. (Who you gonna vote for when nearly all the viable candidates are essentially vetted by and beholden to the rich - sort of like Hong Kong?).

But there's hope. Take away their money.

If huge amounts of the money in their financial accounts "disappeared" or got randomly redistributed, then something closer to justice would result. Of course, there would be panic.

Indeed, it may already have begun: the cyber attacks on JPMorgan Chase (and other banks) may be the precursor.

Does anyone really believe that super hackers broke into the most powerful banks in America, and all they did was collect email addresses ?

The banks aren't going to admit otherwise. But the stock market's not so sure.

by Anonymousreply 53210/16/2014

We need to hold them for ransom first.

by Anonymousreply 53310/16/2014

We could make them pay fair wages and spread the wealth. Shouldn't our legislature be doing that?

by Anonymousreply 53412/11/2014

[There is nothing more tedious than a race baiting troll. Except the people that talk to it.]

by Anonymousreply 53512/11/2014

Could we start with Hillary?

by Anonymousreply 53612/11/2014

R534, yes, but instead of "spread the wealth", I think it is more accurate to say "pay their fair share".

We have a problem with the global economy now, though. If we expect the rich to pay their fair share, they'll move elsewhere. So, it isn't a simple matter.

by Anonymousreply 53712/11/2014

[There is nothing more tedious than a race baiting troll. Except the people that talk to it.]

by Anonymousreply 53812/11/2014

Nonsense R537. Anyway, we can stop them from moving any time we wish.

by Anonymousreply 53912/13/2014

Simply pass a law to revoke the passports of any people with a net worth over $1 billion. The reason is they may flee if we raise taxes on them.

by Anonymousreply 54012/13/2014

Did they pass some bill after one of the facebook people returned to South America with his millions to keep such people from running away and not paying taxes?

by Anonymousreply 54112/13/2014

How does one define rich?

by Anonymousreply 54312/13/2014

Yet, Miss OP would have her head explode if someone asked when we start killing the gays, blacks, immigrants, etc.

by Anonymousreply 54512/13/2014

And we all know poor people never do anything bad ever.

by Anonymousreply 54712/14/2014

Why kill them when you can spit in their soup? Loads more fun watching from the kitchen as the prima donna's gobble it down, wafting on about how amazing and divine it all is LOL

Being 'the help' has tremendous theraputic benefits. You just need to re-adjust how your playing your role.

For now.

by Anonymousreply 54812/14/2014

Now?

by Anonymousreply 54912/14/2014

R543 is an idiot who doesn't mind if the wealthy pay no taxes, she volunteers to pay their taxes for them. Why? Because she has the ridiculous dream that someday, some underling with push her hinny up the ladder and she'll be one of those nasty rich people who can fire that worker who put her where she sees herself, at the top of the heap.

She's that brownnoser who keeps her nose snuggly attached to the wealthy, absolutely positive that her uncomfortable position will some day pay off.

by Anonymousreply 55012/14/2014

R550, please give some examples. Not fables, but actual evidence.

by Anonymousreply 55112/14/2014

r550, are you sure you have the correct post (r543)?

And, is the use of a female pronoun suppose to be a put down?

by Anonymousreply 55212/14/2014

This thread was started two years ago last June.

And so we're two and a half years closer to that point, OP.

by Anonymousreply 55312/14/2014

This thread might be good for those who want to vent frustration, but it would be more production to talk about what is causing the income inequities and what it would take to bring back the middle class jobs.

by Anonymousreply 55412/14/2014

R554, the answer is pretty simple... vote out the fucking Republicans.

Making that happen seems to be, surprisingly, quite a challenge.

by Anonymousreply 55512/14/2014

What would it take to get the White House and congress to protect the workers? Not another Clinton, obviously. We need to get the underclass to realize that corporations are robbing them, blind. Americans have forgotten that you can't trust the rich. They won't treat you fairly. Americans are too stupid to understand and they are so desperate that they will work for peanuts. It was a sad day when they were talked out of unions.

by Anonymousreply 55612/14/2014

R556, if we could convince them to vote... and to stop voting for conservatives and republicans, that would start.

But that seems like a very, very difficult proposition.

by Anonymousreply 55712/14/2014

[r542] I some millionaires and some well-to-do people as well.

They're swell. You, on the other hand, are a clueless little cunt who has absolutely no idea of what is happening in this country, let alone the world.

You are far afield of what the real topics covered in this thread are.

by Anonymousreply 55812/14/2014

Actually workers around the world should stick together and support each other. It certainly isn't just an America problem. I know there are a few corporate leaders who care...Jobs was not one of them and I doubt if Gates is either but every now and then you run into a good one. The huge oil companies and war corporations, are horrid, they do nothing for the world and nothing for their workers, they just put us all in danger.

by Anonymousreply 55912/14/2014

Maybe 2015 will finally be the year...

by Anonymousreply 56012/31/2014

OP-

Rich?

You mean the people that have used their political connections to enrich themselves?

Or the rich that actually created something new and novel and needed and made money.

There are two different rich-

Those that made money due to political connections,

AND

Those that busted ass to create something new.

by Anonymousreply 56112/31/2014

R561, there are very VERY few of the latter... and most of those BEOCME the former.

by Anonymousreply 56212/31/2014

Will this be a resurrected resolution for 2015? If so, I'm in. But gosh, the security's gonna be awful thick LOL. I kinda think they know how people feel. You just can't leave ANY of them alive that might do what the TRULY wealthy only do anymore, and that's inherit. And they protect their estates in such a way that heirs pay next to nothing in taxes. It's sickening.

Oh, and uh, I'm in so long as it doesn't interfere with my vacation in Tahiti.

by Anonymousreply 56312/31/2014

R562-

good government connections are the way to the 0.1% club.

Most rich people are usually rich because they worked hard.

The top 0.01% (and most of the 0.1%) are there because they control a few dozen congressmen, have the president's ear, can call Bernanke (or Yellen or Gingrich or Warren or Pelosi or Bohener or Greenspan or etc.) and have some small legislation changed to exclude (or include) them in the grift.

It is a mafia, writ large.

Disgusting how many people her worship at the rotten throne.

by Anonymousreply 56412/31/2014

[quote]Most rich people are usually rich because they worked hard

Categorically untrue.

by Anonymousreply 56512/31/2014

It's really very sad what's happened in the U.S.

by Anonymousreply 56612/31/2014

R565-

Some get rich by government.

Most get rich by actually creating something of value.

by Anonymousreply 56712/31/2014

No, they don't R567. Most get rich by inheritance or family connections or flat out luck.

Very few work hard.

If hard work made people rich, women in Africa would be the richest people in the world.

by Anonymousreply 56812/31/2014

SOON, baby.

I suspect that a Black Swan event might bring many of the old guard down, namely schizophrenia and psychopathic outbursts due to generations of inbreeding (see 'Foxcatcher'). When people like David Icke seem almost common sense-ish, you know a massive correction is needed.

by Anonymousreply 56912/31/2014

Can you say what you do, R570? I am ready to work for myself (I have freelanced, but I want a new career).

by Anonymousreply 57112/31/2014

I doubt you're anywhere near the 1%, asshole republican self-absorbed fucktard at R570. It's not all about you.

by Anonymousreply 57212/31/2014

the truly wealthy, the ones who control our political leaders, are all part of an inherited wealth aristocracy.

by Anonymousreply 57312/31/2014

[quote]Jealousy and envy and hatred kill the spirit so those attitudes and those with those attitudes are not part of my life.

It has nothing to do with jealousy and envy you self-absorbed mindless right-wing nutjob.

Jesus. How clueless are you?

by Anonymousreply 57512/31/2014

R575, he said himself he's not a bright bulb. In fact, he's clearly both an exaggerator and intellectually dull. Such simpletons only understand their fate when they're bent into the guillotine, where they scream like the swine that they are. I guarantee you he underpays employees and would make Scrooge seem like a great boss, pre-ghost conversion.

by Anonymousreply 57612/31/2014

Oh good lord, the number of people that buy into the Republican lie/myth that rich people are all virtuous and earned every penny, and all poor people are lazy idiots, is just disgusting.

Stop it.

by Anonymousreply 57901/01/2015

"...myth that rich people are all virtuous and earned every penny, and all poor people are lazy idiots..."

I know many virtuous poor, and vacuous rich.

Better to give those poor a chance than to protect the big banks and corporations and the government.

by Anonymousreply 58001/01/2015

The essence of enormous success in business is deception. Never forget that. People who buy very low and sell very high are by definition people without integrity.

by Anonymousreply 58101/01/2015

Thanks, R582, for proving the point by admitting you didn't work hard for your riches, you just gambled and took other people's money with no real work involved. And got lucky.

by Anonymousreply 58301/01/2015

The problem, R582, is that people can still make pots of money gambling but it is harder than ever to make ends meet through honest toil.

by Anonymousreply 58401/01/2015

They'll start killing us before we start killing them.

by Anonymousreply 58501/01/2015

There are a lot more of us then there are of them.

by Anonymousreply 58601/01/2015

If world history is a clue to future events, the rich will go down only when they turn on each other, as the French and Russian noble classes did in revolutionary days.

by Anonymousreply 58701/01/2015

r585 They've been doing it to us for several decades now, so they can admire their handiwork. It's a treat for them to see us twist in the wind.

by Anonymousreply 58801/01/2015

Instead of killing people, I'd like to see higher taxes on the rich, those who make large incomes. Not extreamly higher rates. Just the higher Clinton era rates, for example.

We could use the money to fund programs to fix and upgrade our infrastructure. That would mean good jobs for tons off people, and we'd all enjoy the benefits of the infrastructure upgrades.

by Anonymousreply 58901/01/2015

When oil prices went down, I heard a few fundie pigs whimpering. Later that night when I saw a local homeless man, I gave him fifteen bucks and said,"When you go across the street to eat a warm meal, imagine the rich pigs in congress who helped cut funds to shelters and other programs crying in their pillows tonite ovee their oil investments losing value." We both had a good laugh on that one.

by Anonymousreply 59001/01/2015

R589--

You are "extreamly" stupid.

by Anonymousreply 59101/01/2015

[quote] You are "extreamly" stupid.

We had peace and prosperity under the Clintons. The worst thing going on was about a blow job. Hoping for more of that in the future, especially after the debacle of the Bush Depression, isn't stupid.

Those earning above $200,000 haven't been paying their fair share in years. These welfare queens need to start contributing to the public good. Infrastructure needs to be repaired and inproved. If not specifically for their own use, then the people they employ or they buy from need good subways, bridges, and roads. The goods they buy need to come through efficient ports and through efficient railroads.

R591, Instead of spreading heat, how about some light. Explain the policies you're against and why.

by Anonymousreply 59201/01/2015

R589, preach! I'll pray the "moran" hears you before his neck's under the blade.

by Anonymousreply 59301/01/2015

R574 & R575. Just saw your posts. I appreciate your well-thought opinions. Should you ever wish to pursue a different career path, let's talk. Competitive salary, health/dental/vision, and matching 401(% varies based on length

by Anonymousreply 59401/01/2015

Study the Georgia guidestones for a glimpse into the elites plan for the world.

The stones were built by Ted turner.

by Anonymousreply 59501/01/2015

R575/6 cont. - of employment. More questions, just ask. TIA :)

R577 would be great to meet sometime! Sucks DL doesnt offer p.m.

Three words: free market capitalism.

by Anonymousreply 59601/01/2015

Remember this dirt bags...or you get the same.

by Anonymousreply 59701/01/2015

The movies always make dystopian master-slave societies look like burned out, desolate hellholes for the underclass, but what it really looks like is 42nd Street, with sterile Gaps, Starbucks, Uniqlos, Subways and Chipotles snuffing out any indication of organic life or regional personality. If people would just stop eating at them and started throwing bricks through the windows for fun at night...forever.

by Anonymousreply 59801/01/2015

[quote]free market capitalism.

No such thing as a free market, and pure capitalism is evil. A mixed market is the only kind that works, and it's sorta what we have... and which the Republicans are ruining, leading to nearly all the problems this country has.

by Anonymousreply 59901/01/2015

oh i love to eat Rich every day, and if you ask me 'why?' I'll sayyy...cause K.o.c.h has a way of k.i.l.l.i.n.g!

by Anonymousreply 60001/01/2015

The Rich must die --- the inevitable course of history as it has always been.

by Anonymousreply 60105/31/2015

R52 Why does everyone blame Connecticut for everything? We're one of the top donor states in The US. The State is a bottomless money pit for social programs and public assistance to every, possible problem a person could have. We have some of the most affluent "poor" people, in The USA. No one will be pleased.

by Anonymousreply 60205/31/2015

R601 You sound charming. Can you be bought? How much?

by Anonymousreply 60305/31/2015

How can you be gay and NOT rich!? I'm loaded. Give back your membership card. Not a having a fat lazy entitled wife, and screaming brat kids inevitably means wealth will be concentrated in our hands as we inevitably become the socio-economic elite

by Anonymousreply 60405/31/2015
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