HS yearbook in trouble after using loaded term.
You're not allowed to call the mentally retarded "mentally retarded" anymore
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/10/2012|
Let me guess OP. In your yearbook it said asshole next to your picture
|by Anonymous||reply 1||05/22/2012|
Fuck you, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||05/22/2012|
Then how should we refer to you, OP?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||05/22/2012|
OP, stop being retarded.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/22/2012|
I'm simply shocked that this happened in Texas. Shocked to my core.
|by Anonymous||reply 5||05/22/2012|
The correct, non-offensive term is "superninja."
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/22/2012|
They probably also had a page for the 'fags' in Drama Club but, as it is Texas, no-one saw any problem with that.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/22/2012|
I teach and we refer to them a "special needs"
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/22/2012|
One of my yearbooks has "Special Ed" printed in a childlike "building blocks" font, all arranged at different angles right above the pictures of the poor children who were in that class.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/22/2012|
Isn't that damaging for all the kids under the label, r8?
I've heard Special Needs or Special Education referring to dyslexic or ADD kids (many who aren't even ADD-don't get me started) as well as the mentally retarded.
The PC generalities are ridiculous. I understand that retarded might be offensive, but honestly, it's not fair to the other kids to put them in with Down syndrome children. Expectations are lowered and they'll have a harder time on the playground.
I think the labels we had when I was growing up made more sense: 'mentally disabled' for retardation and GLD or SLD (general or global vs. special or specific learning disabilities) for the dyslexics, etc.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/22/2012|
Use "alternative learners," please.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/22/2012|
R7, I do see a problem with hyphenating "no one."
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/22/2012|
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned words like "mongoloid"? So descriptive.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/22/2012|
All right, then may we posters at Datalounge pleasantly suggest that they use, "fucktard"?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/22/2012|
"Feeble-minded" was also right to the point.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/22/2012|
This thread is making me really, really, really kind of sad. I used to think everyone here was really neat!
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/22/2012|
Don't you fucking call me a retard!
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/22/2012|
Well isn't that special.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||05/22/2012|
"Slow" and "simple" were also used in the same era as "mongoloid."
"Johnny is a simple child."
"Betty was moved to a special school that deals with slow children."
"Did you hear? The Johnson's new baby is a mongoloid!"
|by Anonymous||reply 19||05/22/2012|
I have an elderly relative who is retarded. I'm not making fun of her when I refer to her this way (usually when talking to a friend to explain some of the things she says / does). I've always known her as retarded, and it's simply true, just like it's simply true that I'm fat (another word I don't have a problem with, so long as it is spoken factually and without malice).
Why must we assume malice with these words? Malice can occur with any word.
My relative is not mentally "challenged". She's retarded, or deficient, or disabled. It's just true. I love her all the same. It's like fag - we don't have to get our panties in a twist about it. It's just a man who is oriented to men.
If, instead of being careful what words we use, we instead looked at the intention behind them, that would make sense. You can call me fat any day of the week. I'd nod and say you're right.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||05/22/2012|
In the 19th century, they called them "naturals."
"Lavinia's first child is fine, but her second child is a natural daughter."
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/22/2012|
That's interesting, R21. I didn't know that 'natural' was used that way.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/22/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/22/2012|
r20 - You don't truly need this explained, do you? You just want to mention how pure of mind you are.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/22/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 25||05/22/2012|
No, I'm not pure of mind, R24.
And no, my family and friends don't call me fat on a regular basis. But if the subject comes up, I don't want someone tiptoeing around with nice euphemisms, all meant to mitigate potential hurt feelings. It's silly. Just speak plainly.
I don't call my relative a REtard. I say she's reTARDed if the conversation calls for an explanation.
I'm sorry, I really don't get what's wrong with being kind and factual at the same time.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||05/22/2012|
r26 - Most pejorative terms are, strictly speaking, "factual." Factual doesn't mean respectful or kind. Using a word that's most often meant as an insult, like fag or retarded, is not being kind. Do you refer to "coloured folk" too? It's factual. But it's idiotic to use out of date terms that have come to be insulting. Even if you don't have malicious intent, you know better.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||05/22/2012|
You're all retarts.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||05/26/2012|
i can't call faggots faggots anymore!
|by Anonymous||reply 29||05/26/2012|
Sounds like a menu for retard fetishists. All that was was missing were the prices.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||05/26/2012|
It doesn't matter: whatever word they come up with, will be the new perjorative. They should try to stop people using the "r" word in a negative way, rather than trying to police the word. "Shortbus" is a perfect example of a substitute word that now has even less ambiguously a negative connotation.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||05/26/2012|
R27 is an asshat.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||05/26/2012|
I am amazed at how clueless and tone deaf people are who still use the term retarded. It is like people who call Asians Oriental or African Americans colored. even worse, are those who use the word as a put down.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||05/28/2012|
R27 & R33 are just too sweet for this cruel world.
Mentally retarded means having an IQ lower than 70. One can have learning difficulties but still do better than 70 on an IQ test. So 'learning disabled' doesn't mean quite the same thing. What do you propose we call those who have an IQ lower than 70?
What do you propose the NAACP change their name to?
Are you offended by the movie "For Colored Girls" or the book on which it is based, which features that phrase in its original, longer title?
R20/24 is the only person in this thread with any sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||05/28/2012|
"I am NOT retarded!"
|by Anonymous||reply 35||05/28/2012|
The politically correct term is "tard."
|by Anonymous||reply 36||05/28/2012|
So the proper way to refer to the people with Down Syndrome is "people with Down Syndrome."
Then, there are Native Americans. In Canada, they are "people of the First Nations." In Australia, they are "aboriginal," but maybe not any more.
Then we have African-American, African-Canadian, African-English, African-French, African-German, African-Swede, etc. These join Asian-American, Asian-Canadian, Asian-English, Asian-French, Asian-German, Asian-Swede, and thanks to Chinese colonialism, Asian-African or African-Asian.
These terms might be descriptive, but they also put the hyphen and/or euphemism people at a certain distance. Some groups want this distance, others want to keep these groups at a distance.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||05/29/2012|
I like the term "natural". I shall use that from now on instead of "Differently-Abled".
|by Anonymous||reply 38||05/29/2012|
r21/r38: you do know that "natural" was a euphemism for "bastard", not for "mentally handicapped" in the 19th century, don't you?
Or don't you?
Bless your hearts, dear slow ones!
|by Anonymous||reply 39||05/29/2012|
Why can you say "of color", but you can't say "colored"? It has fewer syllables, it's grammatically correct and, damn it, it's more efficient!
|by Anonymous||reply 40||05/29/2012|
R40. It's part of people first language. In the US, the preference is people of color or people with disabilities. In the UK, it is disabled people (I don't know about the people of color equivalent--it may be the same as here or may be tied to very specific ethnicities or cultures). There's a political component--US culture tends to focus on people's potentials and capabilities--hence, "people with disabilities"; Britain's disability movement is rooted in Marxist theories of economic and access disparities, so activists often argue they want to lead with the word describing the inequity. Neither is right or wrong. Almost all groups want to avoid nominalization, "the disabled," "the blacks," "the gays," for example.
FWIW, in the US, I hear the terms "developmentally disabled" (or "developmentally delayed," which seems inaccurate to me, as it suggests such individuals will eventually "catch up," which is not true of all or even most, depending on the specific cognitive condition) or "intellectually impaired." Call them euphemisms if you like, but language exists in time and context and, while I don't find the term "mentally retarded" in and of itself offensive, its reduction to "retarded" and "RE-tard" in common, middle school usage has made it problematic rhetorically--it's not as simple as saying "objectively" the term has no negative effect (or affect)--language is never neutral.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||05/29/2012|
I think you can say "mentally retarded" if you are truly being descriptive not pejorative, though I know people in the disability rights movement may still object. Intellectually disabled or cognitively impaired also work, I think. I dislike developmentally delayed as it implies that the person will eventually "catch up" to whatever is the norm--which is probably less likely to be the case than not.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||10/30/2012|
Be nice to them, who else will give you some hole for a shiny balloon?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||10/30/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 44||10/30/2012|
So OP, would you like it if people called you a queer or faggot? I would hate that, wouldn't you?
|by Anonymous||reply 45||10/30/2012|
No matter how you say it, it means the same thing. Shit, everything is absurd.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||10/30/2012|
I know many people who identify as queer and one or two who identify as faggot, although the term is usually derogatory.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||10/30/2012|
|by Anonymous||reply 48||10/30/2012|
Please explain the basis of why certain terms are considered derogatory.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||10/30/2012|
My partner works with this population and the correct term is intellectually disabled.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||10/30/2012|
But it is retardation, R50. 'Retarded' is not some kind of slam. Many gays shy away from the factual term 'homosexual'. Why? I don't understand those who want to hide from the truth.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||10/30/2012|
[quote]Please explain the basis of why certain terms are considered derogatory.
Often rooted in the intention of those who use the term. Once the main way that the term is used is in a derogatory way, it becomes a derogatory term.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||10/30/2012|
'Intention'? Please explain. A word is a word. What is it, in their pronunciation?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||10/30/2012|
[quote]Please explain the basis of why certain terms are considered derogatory.
Go up to a black man and ask him if you can call him 'n1gg&r' and see what happens.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||10/30/2012|
Not sure how to explain, but surely you understand that the same word may be used very differently according the the person using it. I could refer to someone as gay, and that could be an observation, a stereotype, or an insult, or a combination.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||10/30/2012|
That isn't an explanation, R54. Especially when he and his cohorts use the term almost every single day. Again, I want an exhaustive, logical explanation.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||10/30/2012|
Things stopped, stunted, or ruined early on are 'retarded'. It's a word, people. Deal with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||10/30/2012|
R20, I agree that the intention is exactly the point, and when people use the word "retard" as Ann Coulter did, they obviously mean it a pejorative way.
Also, there's a world of difference between "retard," which sounds like a word an eighth grader would use, and "mentally retarded." Even though the latter phrase may not be totally PC, I would have no problem with anyone using it, because they obviously don't mean it in an offensive way.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||10/30/2012|
People who complain about how awful "PC" is are almost always assholes who are too lazy to be empathetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||10/30/2012|
They are in fact mentally retarded. It's not some kind of slam.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||10/30/2012|
But it has become a slam because of the way society uses the word to degrade others.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||10/30/2012|
Tards desrve edukashun
|by Anonymous||reply 62||10/30/2012|
So we have to throw away 'retarded' a perfectly good word that has been used for centuries because of the slang of the last few decades? Ridiculous, it's a word.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||10/30/2012|
I never use the "R-word." I think the word "gay" should also be retired. It has too many negative connotations that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||10/30/2012|
R64 I agree I have always liked the term "Fudge Packer"
|by Anonymous||reply 65||10/30/2012|
They're tards. Get over it!
|by Anonymous||reply 66||10/30/2012|
As long as they get their own Olympics, I'm calling them retards. Sounds fair to me.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||10/30/2012|
Why are some people so slow to comply with current word usage and decorum? "Retarded" has been a disfavored term for at least 20 years now. ANyone using it sounds ignorant.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||12/10/2012|