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Montreal vs. Toronto


by Anonymousreply 10903/12/2014

Neither, thank you.

by Anonymousreply 104/14/2012

Philadelphia vs. Baltimore. Discuss

by Anonymousreply 204/14/2012

Over-promoted by a Canadian Tourism shill or Over-promoted by a Canadian Tourism shill?

by Anonymousreply 304/14/2012

MONTREAL: Cool people, quasi-euro culture, great party scene, some good and original, French based arts and culture, weak job market - a great place to live, but not to make a career.

TORONTO: Mostly immigrant population now, badly over priced real estate bubble about to burst, no original arts or culture of significance, flooded with the same dinning, retail and fashion franchises found in every big city, better job market than Montreal, but ONLY if you know people.

If you want to establish yourself in the arts and creative community, leave Canada!.... else go to VANCOUVER.

If you want affordable housing, go to HALIFAX.

If you want good jobs, go to EDMONTON or REGINA.

by Anonymousreply 404/16/2012

[quote]TORONTO: Mostly immigrant population now, badly over priced real estate bubble about to burst, no original arts or culture of significance, flooded with the same dinning, retail and fashion franchises found in every big city, better job market than Montreal, but ONLY if you know people.

The San Jose of Canada

by Anonymousreply 504/16/2012

"If you want to establish yourself in the arts and creative community, leave Canada!.... else go to VANCOUVER."

You must not be from Canada or seriously delusional if you think that Vancouver has a vibrant arts scene.

by Anonymousreply 604/16/2012

"If you want good jobs, go to EDMONTON or REGINA."

Regina yes, Edmonton...well let's see how that pans out after Dani and her Wildrose wins big. If you're gay, I'd think twice:

by Anonymousreply 704/16/2012

It looks like Alberta is about to go anti-gay again.

What an evil province and people.

by Anonymousreply 804/16/2012

OP did his poll only in English, so naturally he got the "result" he was looking for.

Fucking lobsterbacks.

by Anonymousreply 904/19/2012

Vive le Québec libre !

by Anonymousreply 1104/19/2012

Montreal has always been ahead of the curve on fairness to its Gay community - leading North America with the first non-discrimination laws in 1976. Outside Montreal, in Catholic rural Quebec, not so much.

Toronto has gone to the right wing, under Mayor Rob Ford. Gay has become a bad word in Toronto politics today, sort of like a return to the 1980s, when the Toronto Police Force used to harass Gay establishments and regularly arrest Gays for minor liquor, parking and loitering violations.

by Anonymousreply 1204/19/2012

Montreal is the creative capital of Canada, for anglophones as for francophones.

by Anonymousreply 1304/19/2012

Plus strippers

by Anonymousreply 1404/19/2012

Maybe in film, but what little music industry is left in Canada is still out of Vancouver, ever since the 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 1504/19/2012

Montreal is incredibly boring.

by Anonymousreply 1604/19/2012

Your link does not work r14

by Anonymousreply 1804/19/2012

Like with female strippers, many are imports from Eastern Europe or Russia and focus on other cities now. There is not much demand for local strippers today, they cost the clubs too much.

by Anonymousreply 1904/19/2012

"but what little music industry is left in Canada is still out of Vancouver, ever since the 1980s" must be stuck in a time tunnel or just stirring shit. Montreal and Toronto and possibly Halifax are the music scenes in Canada now. Vancouver has had odd successes here and there with the New Pornographers but other Western acts have moved east or south.

Where do you get your information about the industry from anyway...thirty year old episodes of "Good Rockin Tonite"?

by Anonymousreply 2004/19/2012

I love MontreaL! The french boys are sooo slutty and will throw their legs up in the air after two beers. Plus if your American they will ANYTHING for the chance to make it to the states

They are ;like a cheap version of the French from france.

Now that they are going to have a sepeartion govt their enconnomy is going to tank even more.

Good for me cheaper gogo boys and quebecois dates.

by Anonymousreply 2108/27/2012

Toronto is much more dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 2208/27/2012

Crime is low in Tronna

by Anonymousreply 2408/27/2012

It will increase.

by Anonymousreply 2508/27/2012

Few Canadian borns live in Toronto anymore.

by Anonymousreply 2608/27/2012

Why is that?

by Anonymousreply 2708/27/2012

Well Quebecois are descendants of Les Filels Du Roi, which was the King of Frances whores.

So they have whoring in their blood.

by Anonymousreply 2808/27/2012

Montreal is definitely wild, probably too wild. The guys are beautiful but totally nuts. I prefer Toronto.

by Anonymousreply 2908/27/2012

[quote]They're both homophobic shitholes, just like all of Canada.

You can get gay-married in Canada. We have pretty much total rights asscunt!

by Anonymousreply 3008/27/2012

I live in Vancouver. Trust me, there is no art scene here. I'm about to move to Toronto after the new year. Vancouver has no soul. Hate it.

by Anonymousreply 3108/27/2012

[quote]Vancouver has no soul.

The Asians ate it

by Anonymousreply 3208/27/2012


by Anonymousreply 3308/27/2012

I live in Edmonton and yes there are a ton of fucking rednecks here and these idiots vote Conservative. Hell I was shocked to see people actually walking around the city in cowboy hats and cowboy boots...SOBER! One thing I will say is that I have never run into any open homophobia here. Maybe I'm just extremely lucky?

by Anonymousreply 3408/27/2012

You are EXTREMELY lucky R34.

Vancouver and Toronto aren't really Canadian anymore, only in Geo location.

by Anonymousreply 3508/29/2012

Montreal is culture

Toronto is foreign franchises

by Anonymousreply 3604/11/2013

I haven't been to Vancouver in years, but I get the feeling it's largely populated with Hong Kong Chinese who bought their way in c. 1997?

Edmonton and Calgary (I've been to neither) are said to identify far more with Denver, than with anywhere else in Canada.

Toronto seems to be a manically desperate New York/London wannabe. Montreal, last I'd heard, was a backwater pretty much dependent on tourism?

by Anonymousreply 3704/11/2013

Montreal is the film capital of Canada and the fireworks capital of the world!

by Anonymousreply 3804/11/2013

Why are so many wealthy Chinese immigrating to Canada?

by Anonymousreply 3904/11/2013

R4 was right about Toronto and Montreal, but really wrong about:

Going to Vancouver for arts & creative community. There is nothing artistic or creative about Vancouver. As R31 correctly states, Vancouver has NO art and NO soul. (And No brain and No pulse).

This, however, is correct: "If you want to establish yourself in the arts and creative community, leave Canada!" You have to leave Canada.

"If you want affordable housing, go to HALIFAX." Not to rent! Absurdly high rents, especially when one considers that there are NO JOBS!!

And as for "If you want good jobs, go to EDMONTON or REGINA" - who really wants to go there to find out if that is true... (I guess "good job" means a bit more than miniumum wage. Not anything meaningful, interesting or intellectually challenging...)

by Anonymousreply 4004/11/2013

Vancouver is just California without all the defense industry money pumped into it for seventy years.

by Anonymousreply 4104/11/2013

Canada, unlike most other western countries, does not require immigrants to become Canadian - ever. Thank Dual Citizenship laws.

The Chinese like Canada because they can move over there and never have to learn to speak English or French, never shop in a Canadian store or meet any Canadian. Canada, particularly Vancouver and Northern Toronto, are just parachute states of China today.

by Anonymousreply 4204/11/2013

[quote]Why are so many wealthy Chinese immigrating to Canada?

Who wouldn't?

I love Victoria, so peaceful and remote, just a short ferry ride across the sound to Vancouver. It's said to have a high crime rate (owing to the large homeless population that come for the mild climate), but I've only had lovely experiences on the island.

by Anonymousreply 4304/11/2013

To buy property, R39

Montreal is the only place in Canada that is sophisticated, R37

If you want backwater, try the Maritimes or Western Canada. Toronto is looking pretty backwater now with their clown moron Mayor and their forever delusional wannabe attitude.

by Anonymousreply 4404/11/2013

Vancouver = 30% Portland Oregon, 10% smalltown Ontario, 50% Hong Kong, 10% other

by Anonymousreply 4504/11/2013

R42 -- the USA does not *require* immigrants to ever become citizens, though it is to their advantage to do so for greater ... benefits, as well as not having to deal with the dreaded Immigration dept. for any longer than absolutely necessary.

On my trips to the University District here in Seattle, it seems as though the student body must be majority Asian! Large groups of them swarming in pods, with nary a syllable of English to be heard.

by Anonymousreply 4604/11/2013

There used to be a melting pot mentality an earning of the right of citizenship.

Today it is just come join your country mates living in clean and cheap North America.

by Anonymousreply 4704/11/2013

Montreal is where it's at.

by Anonymousreply 4804/11/2013

I live in Vancouver and there is no arts scene in this soulless place. I'm moving to Toronto in a few weeks, as there is more to do out east.

My experience in Vancouver hasn't been a great one. It is an overpriced city with too little to do.

by Anonymousreply 4904/11/2013

Montreal is as close as Canada still has to a cultural center these days.

Vancouver in the 1980s-90 used to be the center of Canadas music industry. Bryan Adams studio is still operating there, but big bands like Aerosmith, Metallica, Def Leppard no longer come to Canada to record.

Toronto never had any internationally significant Music, Arts or Film scene to lose in the first place.

Move to Montreal, Toronto is one big mall of foreign franchises, Corporate/Government funded Arts scene only.

by Anonymousreply 5004/11/2013

On paper Toronto looks like an amazing place to live but when you actually get there it's depressing.

Soviet looking architecture, faux British place names, bland shopping mall culture dominated by the Asian population. And it's extremely expensive, I understand why New York and London are pricey but nothing in Toronto seems worth the cost.

by Anonymousreply 5104/11/2013

That depends on which city contains more rugged, swarthy, balding character actors with impressively virile trouser bulges.

by Anonymousreply 5204/11/2013

[quote]Montreal is the only place in Canada that is sophisticated,

You're kidding, right? It's home to the most corrupt government in North America, and yes I include Mexico when I say that. Its population is stagnant and its outlook incredibly provincial.

by Anonymousreply 5304/11/2013

R53 has never been to Lexington, kentucky.

by Anonymousreply 5404/12/2013

Toronto defines depressing.

by Anonymousreply 5704/12/2013

Add Camilla, Duchess to your list R56

by Anonymousreply 5804/12/2013

Canada is like Michigan without the culture

by Anonymousreply 5904/12/2013

Culture? Michigan? You said that with a straight face?

by Anonymousreply 6104/12/2013

R60 has revealed the key bit of information on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 6304/12/2013

And that would mean that Windsor, Ontario would be the best place anywhere since it has the highest ratio of go-go boys to population.

by Anonymousreply 6404/12/2013

What is the going rate for a cheap but livable apartment in Toronto, a few miles from the annex? I am a graphic designer who might be moving there. I lived there twenty years ago and I'm actually afraid of what's waiting for me.

by Anonymousreply 6504/12/2013

But are there virile, balding men there?

by Anonymousreply 6704/12/2013

You have never experienced a culture of racism like exists in Toronto's Chinatown.... and NOT against the Chinese. R66 does not have a CLUE!

by Anonymousreply 6804/12/2013

R68, are you kidding me?!?! The Francophones hate the anglophones! They want nothing to do with the rest of Canada, they hate Canadians and act like they're all superior. They expect the rest of the country, which is mostly English speaking, to learn French, and deliver services in French, while they refuse to learn English. Fucking hypocrites. Yes, I can't stand them. The last straw was when the language nazis came into a restaurant in Montreal and issued a fine because the boiler didn't have an on/off switch in French! They had to cover it up! Like are you kidding me?!?! Let the fuckers separate already. Cut off all the transfer money, take back parts of Quebec that are English speaking, and let them manage on their own. Lets see how well they will do then. They're already struggling with fleeting businesses, because of the nazi language laws, not to mention high levels of corruption and crumbling infrastructure, and that is with the transfer money. No, let them separate if they wish. I'd love to see them contain businesses with their hate towards anything English. HAHA, good luck with that.

by Anonymousreply 6904/12/2013

Tell all the gang on Spadina Avenue that I'll be there 'ere long!

by Anonymousreply 7004/12/2013

Lived in Edmonton for two years. Could not be happier when I left.

by Anonymousreply 7104/12/2013

I thought most Quebecois were bilingual, but prefer to speak French as their first language?

by Anonymousreply 7204/12/2013

Edmonton is beautiful.

Yeah there are a few too many Krazy Konservatives, but at least it has a rambunctious spirit.

by Anonymousreply 7304/12/2013

R64 has clearly never been to Montreal.

by Anonymousreply 7404/12/2013

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by Anonymousreply 7504/12/2013

Edmonton is like Texas with snow.

All Country Music - No Gays.

by Anonymousreply 7704/13/2013

R69 is an example of a Canadian troll. Like his US counterparts, he often lacks the ability to form paragraphs.

by Anonymousreply 7804/13/2013

R78, I like Canada. It's Quebec I don't like. I'm not the Canada troll at all. I'm actually making a lot of sense, and if you bothered to watch the news once in a while, you'd be able to understand it better. Everything I mentioned is true, corruption, crumbling infrastructure, and nazi language laws. You might not like it, but those are the facts.

by Anonymousreply 7904/13/2013

Quebec doesn't hate gays.

Western Canada does.

Anti-gay seems to be on the rise in Ontario.

by Anonymousreply 8004/13/2013

Quebec doesn't hate gays, but they're racist, is that any better? Get your head out of your ass. Quebec is a shithole. It'll be fun to live in Quebec in a few years with all the businesses they've lost due to the nazi language laws. No employment, just like the hateful French assholes wanted.

by Anonymousreply 8104/13/2013

You want to see racist? try downtown Vancouver or Torontos Chinatown. It will redefine the term for you.

by Anonymousreply 8204/13/2013

Quebec wants to protect its language and culture, why is that bad?

by Anonymousreply 8304/13/2013

So R69 criticizes the Quebecois and a whole lot of people in New Brunswick and other places for refusing to learn English. But doesn't the rest of Canada refuse to learn French, an official language of an officially bilingual Canada? It's not like you see or hear a lot of French in Vancouver. If I were a Francophone I believe I would hate R69's parochialism also.

by Anonymousreply 8404/13/2013

I heard that Francois Sagat get blown on stage by like ramdom ten men at Toronto Pride 2009. Is it true?

by Anonymousreply 8504/13/2013


by Anonymousreply 8604/13/2013

Elias Koteas left Montreal in the early 80s and moved to New York, as he felt the opportunities in Canada were limited.

by Anonymousreply 8704/13/2013

How can only 17% of Canadians speak both English and French when everyone takes both in school?

by Anonymousreply 8904/14/2013

R89, most Canadians speak cereal box french, meaning that they can recognize the french in context. It's like asking why more Americans can't speak Spanish even though a majority probably now take it in high school.

French is spoken in Quebec, parts of New Brunswick and northern Ontario. There are isolated french communities in Nova Scotia and Manitoba. It's not a common language outside of those areas.

And here, I vote for Toronto by a long shot, even though I have lived in Montreal. Anglo Montreal's favorite spot is Toronto bashing (read The Gazette sometime, whose editorials were filled with that stuff), while Toronto is only vaguely aware that Montreal exists. Anglo Montrealers are the WORST, and have some sort of superiority complex because they live in Montreal. In total it's rather nauseating, and I'll take Toronto's live-and-let-live vibe over that shit any day of the week.

by Anonymousreply 9004/14/2013

"Live and let live" in other words, nobody gives a f*uck about anything or anybody else but themselves.... Yeah this is what Toronto is like today.

Believe it or not, Toronto was not like this 20 year ago.

by Anonymousreply 9104/14/2013

I certainly believe more than 17% of Americans speak English and Spanish.

by Anonymousreply 9204/14/2013

Yes, the Mexican ones.

by Anonymousreply 9304/14/2013

I can't believe it's only 17%.

by Anonymousreply 9404/14/2013

That's from the Canadian census as reported by the National Post.

by Anonymousreply 9504/14/2013

Is Toronto even still considered a Canadian city?

Montreal is still definitely a french Canadian city.

by Anonymousreply 9605/27/2013

Toronto has gone downhill big time since the turn of the century. It really was not this bad in the 1990s.

by Anonymousreply 9706/01/2013

Montreal's mayor was recently run out of office due to corruption. Toronto's is going in the same direction fast. So it's a tie in that respect.

by Anonymousreply 9806/01/2013

Fuck Montreal, although the people are lovely in character and looks. A city for the young.

Quebec City is so dreamy. Like those fairytale books of childhood. The only thing missing is the ermine dotted fur. Some can be rude to Americans on the phone. Not in person though. Turrets everywhere. The food in the restaurants is unbelievable as is the weed from the reservations. Everything is thought out so well. No wonder the Japanese love it so much. Did I mention their beer? When I was there I had to pinch myself because I couldn't believe such a place is so close to home. Why can't it be like that everywhere in Canada?

by Anonymousreply 10006/01/2013

All Canada west of Quebec sucks.

by Anonymousreply 10106/01/2013

Quebec is great and so surreal

by Anonymousreply 10206/01/2013

My two cents as a San Franciscan who is typically snobby about his hometown:

Have visited Canada many times, including Victoria, Vancouver, Calgary, Winnipeg, Toronto, Montreal, and Quebec City. Caveats are that I'm accustomed to living in a city that is 50% Asian, speak French reasonably well (but not fluent), and I've visited Canada mostly in Summer, with an expense account. As an American, all of Canada seems clean, safe, polite, and lacking in the extremes of wealth and poverty in the US.

Victoria: Cute, but too small.

Vancouver: Spectacular scenery, beautiful, huge parks, friendly, open people, great independent shops and restaurants.

Calgary: Boring, sterile, dull, homogeneous. Downtown is empty at night. I hear that Alberta is like Texas -- homophobic, but at least the locals seem friendly and polite. Too flat. No significant water feature. The Bow river is boring.

Winnipeg: Culturally the Fresno of Canada.

Toronto: Big. A bit dull, but on a lake. No comparison to New York. Attractive but not stunningly beautiful as Vancouver. Interesting neighborhoods. Younge Street seemed like a nice gayborhood. Clean, seems like a wealthy city. Huge Chinatown. Too flat. At least it isn't LA.

Montreal: More older architecture, European feel, more gritty, artsy, interesting, and urbane than Toronto. Great gay village and public transit system. Not as flat as Toronto. The French Canadians like me and I like them back, so that's a plus. Felt right at home there.

Quebec City: Damned cute. Overlooks a huge river. Too cold, too small. Don't know why I charm the pants off the Quebecois. The most non-English speaking city in Canada? They're the horniest guys I've ever met. Great rail service to Montreal.

Got a call from a recruiter about a job opportunity in Montreal. I could live in Montreal, but I've never experienced a real Winter, so perhaps not.

by Anonymousreply 10306/01/2013

Most of the world still thinks of Montreal as Canada's cultural center. Look at the BBC and Deutche Welle news services, they always show Montreal on their North American maps, but not Toronto.

by Anonymousreply 10406/02/2013

I disagree with R103.

St. John's: the most beautiful city in N. America, easily. People tribal but loud, drunk, and friendly.

Halifax; gorgeous but very public sector, reserved, unfriendly.

St. John: Funky, a little poor right now, but friendly and much more gay than I expected.

Quebec: Tourist areas world class, but outside these areas gives off a 1950s vibe. Everybody knows everybody.

Montreal: Not the slightest bit European. As North American as Omaha. Full of entrepreneurs and would-be celebrities. So over-invested in the local Hipster Culture that you imagine the people there spend 70% of their disposable income watching each other perform.

Ottawa: Beautiful, rich, beefy guys, a bit closeted. Delightful for a visit, perhaps a little dull of living.

Toronto: Best place to get cruised on the street and hookup in the entire hemisphere (way better than New York, although obviously is not in the NY or LA league in population). Hot guys with middle class jobs. A little tougher and meaner than you'd expect from what you hear about "multiculturalism" and "Canada nice." Not particularly scenic or dynamic, and extensively suburbanized like cities south of the border, but for all that the place where ambitious Canadians go to "make things happen" and live a gay life.

Winnipeg: Wonderful town that was the first big city on the continent with an out gay mayor. Businesslike and fairly prosperous for its size.

Regina and Saskatoon: Mid-Sized cities that put the USA to shame.

Edmonton and Calgary: Beautiful and much more liberal than Texas. A little more liberal than Denver, which is a better comparison in the US.

by Anonymousreply 10506/02/2013

HA! @r105. You sound like a provincial Canadian (pun intended) who has little experience visiting the US or anywhere outside your sphere of comfort.

Sorry, you lose all credibility when comparing Montreal to Omaha. Doubt that you've ever been to Europe, either. Calgary more liberal, beautiful -- or even more interesting -- than Denver? A thousand times "No".

[quote]Regina and Saskatoon: Mid-Sized cities that put the USA to shame.

Don't get your point here. Almost anywhere can "put the USA to shame". Regina sounds like Cheryl's smelly pussy. Saskatoon seems like a place you'd spit in. Ottawa sounds like a furry baby animal that you people would club to death.

Whoever is in charge of naming your obscure, mid-sized cities should be fired and be replaced by a new PR agency, doncha think?

St. John's, Halifax? They might be gorgeous, but they're so small and insignificant that I could squish them in the palm of of my shameful American hand. Or, top them mercilessly like I would a pocket gay.

Hurray for Winnipeg for a)giving N. America it's first openly gay mayor; and b)being the most unknown place on the planet. And, what has Winnipeg done for anyone lately? Not that we'd care, anyway...

The whole world gets that many Anglophone Canadians hate the Quebecois. And that the Quebecois are very whiny. And we are bored with it.

Nevertheless, r105, I really don't mean to bully or bash you, and hope you understand that I am (mostly) joking aboot your comments. You sound very adorable and cuddly. Don't know how long you've been on the DL.

Am a desperate, unemployed Californian who has a pretty spectacular job offer in Montreal.

There is a glut of younger people who have my special skills (no, not cock-sucking) here at home. I must leave home for at least a year or two and would rather live in any large Canadian city than move to Texas, LA, or Florida. Will start a new thread aboot that.

Am wondering if r105 might want to move in with me. I'll cuddle you so hard and keep those evil-doer Frenchies away from you.

by Anonymousreply 10606/04/2013

Half of Quebec non-francophones consider leaving

Half of Quebec's anglophone and allophone (residents whose mother tongue is neither English nor French) population have considered leaving the province in the past year, a new EKOS poll commissioned by the CBC suggests.

While only 11 per cent of francophone respondents said they had considered leaving, the top reasons why people said they have considered leaving weren't centred on language. “The results are actually quite surprising. That’s an awfully large number,” said Frank Graves, president of EKOS research.

“It’s a pretty drastic decision to actually vote with your feet and leave your place of residence. I was frankly a little surprised at how complex the reasons were."

Most people across all groups named taxes, jobs, political uncertainty and the economy as the most significant reasons they had contemplated a departure.

(article continues at link)

by Anonymousreply 10702/25/2014

I spent the last 2 weeks of September 2014 in Montreal, and I really liked it. I wanted a low-key vacation, and this was it.

It's a nice, big city, so I got to learn a new (and amazingly clean) subway system.

I saw some nice museums.

I walked a LOT in some lovely neighborhoods.

I tried to use my high school French, but thankfully most people spoke enough English.

Most people were very nice, although there were certainly the occasional snots.

I was surprised by the number of panhandlers. I haven't seen so many since DC in the 80s. I live now in a small Southern US city, and I don't see many panhandlers.

I was thinking of going back in May, but my other choice is Toronto. I've always wanted to go, so we'll see.

Any suggestions for an elderly gay man in Toronto? Elderly meaning 57, and no, I'm not looking to hook up with 20-year-olds. Wouldn't mind meeting men my own age, though.

by Anonymousreply 10803/12/2014

Pre Rob Ford it was paradise

by Anonymousreply 10903/12/2014
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