Would it help everyone involved for new yorkers to become a sovereign nation?
Should NYC secede from the Union?
|by Anonymous||reply 109||05/18/2016|
|by Anonymous||reply 1||02/16/2012|
About ten years ago Staten Island wanted to become separate from NYC. Nothing happened because the State would have to approve it.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||02/16/2012|
I really wish we could. I'm sick of more tax dollars going to the fed. govt than we get back... unlike all of those red states who bitch about taxes, yet pay less than shit and get more back.
I'm tired of states with a pop. lower than my neighborhood having an equal voice when that voice would have us go back to the stone age (which of course never existed in their minds as the earth is only 6000 years old and Jesus rode a dinosaur).
|by Anonymous||reply 3||02/16/2012|
A bump, for discussion.
Wouldn't we all like to be split into smaller countries?
Better yet- wouldn't it be better for NYC to secede from NY state AND from the US?
As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world, and not subject to the rule by DC and the rest.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||05/17/2013|
"As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world"
With no military or nuclear weapons?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||05/17/2013|
The OP of this and the other pro-secessionist threads is just too stupid to live.
And he keeps posting and posting and posting them, like some kind of Confederate OCD freak. Someone should take his $18 and shove it down his throat.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||05/17/2013|
Op picks a topic every two days and bumps all available threads on the subject....for some reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||05/17/2013|
Why would we need nukes? Who is going to invade us?
And, if they did, do you think that we wouldn't have the money to pay people from other states to come defend us, on top of the people who would come for free just because they loved NY?
Haven't you seen the fucking T-shirts? EVERYONE loves New York!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 8||05/17/2013|
Only if we can too. We REALLY don't need any other state or city to be perfectly fine and sustainable on our own.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||05/17/2013|
Even better, CA should secede and split into 3 smaller states.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||05/17/2013|
Where would we get food from? Last I checked NYC didn't have a lot of farms. There would be a huge premium charged to trade with a secessionist region.
The trade imbalance alone would doom nyc.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||05/17/2013|
Why, R11? Why would people from NJ or upstate NOT sell food to us?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||05/17/2013|
I think it's a great idea. If a Dem is in office, then you would get billions in foreign aid. If a Repub is in office, you would get invaded if terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack anywhere in the world and would be have to be rebuilt. Of course, with your record of electing politicians, you'd collapse within ten years.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||05/17/2013|
Bloomberg the dictator?
|by Anonymous||reply 14||05/17/2013|
So indicative of how stupid some New Yorkers truly are.
NYC would have no chance at all on its own. California would have a better chance but still wouldn't be able to make it.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||05/18/2013|
California could definitely do it. And NYC.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||05/18/2013|
CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
NYC has neither oil nor food production to sustain itself.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||05/18/2013|
Does Japan and Luxembourg have oil of food production to sustain themselves, R17?
|by Anonymous||reply 18||05/18/2013|
We have Broadway!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 19||05/18/2013|
Should the OP be euthanized for her extreme stupidity?
|by Anonymous||reply 20||05/18/2013|
Do you actually consider that a logical argument, R18?
|by Anonymous||reply 21||05/18/2013|
Yes, why not, R21? Of course, it wold be more powerful than those countries.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||05/18/2013|
It would not necessarily be more powerful. The only thing that makes NYC even remotely powerful is the financial industry. However, the financial industry is more mobile than ever today. There's no need for it to be tied to NYC anymore.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||05/18/2013|
Perhaps, on a similar note, we should have less states. Maybe six.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||05/18/2013|
Yes, please please do. Your passports would be worth shit, you have o food or natural resources, ouside,of s harbour that could be blocked. we could starve you out of existence,and start over again.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||05/18/2013|
|by Anonymous||reply 26||05/18/2013|
R25 is missing a few keys on her keyboard, and a few bricks in her head.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||05/18/2013|
OP is proof that New Yorkers have a more insular world view than any flyover from Kansas.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||05/19/2013|
No. It epitomizes everything America stands for.
I am, however, all for splitting the country in two along red and blue states. As time goes on, it becomes clearer and clearer that we have less and less in common.
I'm tired of subsidizing what amounts to places that are, financially and intellectually, almost 3rd world and complain about everything in the bargain.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||05/19/2013|
Take that to the logical conclusion- allow each county in each state to become independent of the US Gov. If they decide to join other counties, so be it. If not, then allow the free trade and movement agreements to remain in place, and tell them they are now responsible for the welfare and well being of all citizens in their borders.
Many residents would find that not paying 40% (or more) of their income to pay for big bank bailouts, or military adventures overseas, or support the parasites in DC would leave them with enough time and money to create innovative and effective programs in their own communities for people in need.
Unfortunately, the big cities would find that their "transfer payments" from Main Street were cut off, and they would have to dismantle their bureaucratic bullshit and find ways to pay for their own way. Big corporations would find that the tax breaks and bailouts they stole from the rest of us were gone, the banks would have to actually serve their customers...yeah, it would be AWFUL- for the big boys, but the average person would find that they suddenly had a higher standard of living.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||05/19/2013|
Hey NYC Native at post 28, pretty sure the rest of America doesn't stand for allowing police to frisk 12year-olds on a whim.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||05/19/2013|
 here. I meant NYC Native at post 29. Sorry.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||05/19/2013|
Stop&Frisk is bullshit- I think the stats in the paper were 1.4 S&F/yr for every black and hispanic male between 18-30 in NYC.
If NYC was a separate country then the local govt would be more accountable to the people, and shit like that could be stopped.
Trying to run a country this big from a small city like DC is crazy.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||05/19/2013|
If it were to become a separate state, then you could pass new laws to allow the beating and shooting of queers.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||05/20/2013|
I hope not. I just got here this morning. (3 bucks, two bags, one me)
|by Anonymous||reply 35||05/20/2013|
[quote]CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.
Using whose water?
|by Anonymous||reply 36||05/20/2013|
I always thought Long Island should become a separate state from NY. The people who live on it all say where they're from like it already is: "I'm from Bayshore, Long Island." No, you're from Bayshore, New York.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||05/20/2013|
R36, there's plenty of water in Northern California.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||05/20/2013|
They could (and should) pay market prices for water. As it is, they steal water from other states.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||05/20/2013|
Please sign the petition-
They don't want to be under the control of you any more than you want to be under the control of them.
Why can't we just split the country into smaller sections and get along?
|by Anonymous||reply 40||05/29/2013|
I think the split could occur. Then I could be "Dictator for Life."
|by Anonymous||reply 41||05/30/2013|
R41, they would spit you out like a piece of undercooked 2 Guys pizza.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||08/09/2013|
"No. It epitomizes everything America stands for."
New York is moribund. All other American cities will pass over its carcass on the path to greatness.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||08/09/2013|
New York DLers openly mocked Rick Perry for suggesting that Texas secede. Consider yourselves openly mocked.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||08/09/2013|
I'd rather see the USA split into something like seven states.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||08/09/2013|
understand why government is evil but still post hateful screeds when someone mentions Mises, Rothbard or Rockwell.R39 and R40
|by Anonymous||reply 46||08/14/2013|
I hate these pseudo-Libertarians. They are just so fucking stupid that I don't know how they manage to keep breathing in and out.
President Lincoln and 620,000 dead American soldiers settled this matter in 1865. It's over and done with, no matter how much ridiculous whining you indulge in.
The answer to "Should [State X] secede from the Union" is always NO.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||08/14/2013|
Yes. Totally. Small is better. A city state is a good idea. Like Singapore. No we dont have to grow our own food - we get it from NJ with Fresh Direct. We have Wall Street, broadway, Madison Avenue and the best talent from all over the world. It will be good not to have to deal with what the rest of the state thinks. Of course we keep the name. Upstate can be called Buffalo.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||08/14/2013|
A free state of Manhattan would be the new Western Hong Kong.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||12/09/2014|
No. It should be thrown out.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||12/10/2014|
In the past I would have dismissed any talk of secession out of hand, but as time goes on, Republicans are really digging in their heels AND becoming more extreme, even to the point that elected officials run a real risk of being rejected by their party if they cooperate in any way with or show any respect for a member of the Democratic party, including the president.
It's my opinion that if the trend continues unabated, it will eventually break the country's back so to speak, and the union will splinter.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||12/10/2014|
Bye-bye, NYC! Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
|by Anonymous||reply 52||12/10/2014|
New Yorkers have terribly overbloated egos, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 53||12/10/2014|
If you Yankee bastards had minded yor own god danged business in the first place, instead of starting your War of Northern Aggression on us innocent, hard working, GOD FEARING white boys, you wouldnlt BE in the mess youlre in. Hell, you perverts actually believe the homosickuals should be seen in public by decent people. You just keep all them fan dancing misfits above the Mason-Dixon and West of Ol' Miss, ya hear? And griping about high taxes is OUR thing, not yorn, so just pipe down already. Ain't it enough we let you even work to pay taxes? Good god almighty you carpet baggin' Yankees are dumb. We're all for you idiots seceeding so we can take our nation back from commie jew control. And take the rest of the libruhlz with ya!!
Nuke a godless, communist, gay baby seal for Christ!! Sooo weee pig!
|by Anonymous||reply 54||12/10/2014|
...and there you have it!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||12/10/2014|
I think any form of re-drawing borders & various divisions in this country would be more time, money & general bureaucratic bullshit than any advantage would be worth. I think it's a more more pragmatic method to improve society within the framework of the national subdivions we do have.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||12/10/2014|
|by Anonymous||reply 57||12/10/2014|
You know Charles DeGaulle spent nearly his entire post-war political life threatening little Monaco with invasion. Keep that in mind, NYC.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||12/10/2014|
I traveled through the South frequently. Some of the funniest local news and commercials I've seen anywhere, for their sheer stupidity. One featured a local combover lawyer in a hunting outfit, with a dog and shotgun. That one he was running for some political seat. RIGHT AFTER it came his Personal Injury commercial. I laughed for hours over that one.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||12/11/2014|
Why should NYC remain chained to backwards states?
If it seceded it could set internal medical care policies, criminal laws, etc. to protect us.
Instead we give billions in taxes to DC and get shit in return.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||12/31/2014|
Why bother separating when you rule the entire nation now?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||12/31/2014|
ask anyone who has ever been "stop-n-frisk"ed.
Without the "Washington, DC" political bullshit ---well then drugs, gambling and prostitution would've been legal in NYC 40 years ago.
Unfortunately the Big Banks on Wall Street control Congress, so this will never happen.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||12/31/2014|
Poverty has been rising in NYC. According to 2013 Census data, 21.2 % of NYC lives at or below the poverty line.
The federal government provides subsidized housing, healthcare (Medicaid), food (SNAP/food stamps) and monthly stipends (welfare/SSI) to NYC's impoverished that allows them to sustain their lives. If NYC were to become independent, it would have to take over these programs, which cost 100's of millions of dollars per year. Or risk close to 2 million hungry, homeless people taking to the streets.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||12/31/2014|
Most of the money printed by the Federal Reserve has been funneled to the NYC and SF areas, with parts of ND/TX benefiting.
Why should NYC be starving?
Wait- unless that new money, printed by the government and big banks, was being given to the bank execs, and their cronies, and the media, and the big military and media suppliers- well, that might change the narrative.
The "little people" are being destroyed by the government, and the government knows it...and is scared.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||12/31/2014|
NYC could import all the energy needs.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||12/31/2014|
It could lease military and time share nuclear weapons.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||12/31/2014|
If Trump wins will you support NYC leaving the USA and creating a new, independent city-state free of Washington DC?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||05/04/2016|
If NYC succeeded from the country, then I think New England should send a nuclear submarine off their coast and demand their surrender. Then we can strip them of their resources, before cutting them loose again.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||05/04/2016|
No, you fucking asswipe. But perhaps you and your idiotic threads could secede from DL; 'mkay???
|by Anonymous||reply 69||05/04/2016|
You admit that violence is your solution.
If the people of New York City decided to leave the United States then you would support murdering them for their desire to not live under President Trump?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||05/04/2016|
Oh, good grief, you idiotic troll. How many of your dead threads are you going to resurrect? And when will you accept that no state is going to secede from the United States?
|by Anonymous||reply 71||05/04/2016|
Sorry tough questions trigger you.
Take a Midol.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||05/05/2016|
[quote]Sorry tough questions trigger you.
LOL... So you're proud of being a troll? Proud of always being wrong?
[quote]Take a Midol.
Thanks again for confirming that you're a misogynist?
|by Anonymous||reply 73||05/05/2016|
[quote] So, [R68]- You admit that violence is your solution...If the people of New York City decided to leave the United States then you would support murdering them for their desire to not live under President Trump?
I support murdering the people of NYC on principle, regardless of their feelings about Trump. But it's really just their resources I want, and their prescious bodily fluids.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||05/05/2016|
OP, how would the new republic of NYC support its infrastructure? No federal or state dollars to repair the old sewer and subway systems, repair the streets, maintain the bridges, support the schools, etc. Higher taxes? Employers bail because they don't want to be cut off from federal aid and don't want higher taxes. Loss of jobs when employers leave mean another increase in taxes. More employers leave because of the higher taxes. Tourism falls off because there's no money to maintain the infrastructure. The loss of those dollars mean the new republic has another budgetary shortfall. Crime goes up because people are starving. No new jobs. Just think, your republic wouldn't be able to replace street lights and police, firemen and EMTS are nonexistent. Your republic couldn't afford their wages, pension plans and medical plans. I forgot about trash collectors. The list goes on.
Yes, I can see this a good idea. One thing you should add to your plan, OP. Anyone who would vote for this new utopia has to agree to stay in NYC for 10 years, minimum, no relocating when it turns to shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||05/05/2016|
Oh, but see, R75, in this new utopia, all taxes would be abolished and the private sector would take over. Everything would be rainbows and unicorns after that, although he's never quite clear how that would work.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||05/05/2016|
NYC, as a free country, would be in the G20 (aka, one of the largest economies on the planet) and is larger than most US states. California would be the twelfth largest economy on the planet.
Why do we need Washington DC?!?!
|by Anonymous||reply 77||05/09/2016|
Idiot New Yorkers voted for Giuliani and Bloomberg. Not to mention Koch. They are no prize.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||05/09/2016|
Yup, you're drunk and resurrecting all of your dead threads, all right. Oh, joy... we've been blessed by our resident Idiot Libertarian Troll again. Lucky us.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||05/09/2016|
If Trump wins, will you change your mind?
|by Anonymous||reply 80||05/10/2016|
Drunk again, are you? How many of your dead threads are you going to resurrect this time? And when will you accept that no state is going to secede from the United States?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||05/10/2016|
What is your theory of government? What limits should government have? What is the relationship between individuals and government?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||05/13/2016|
Yup, you're drunk again, all right. We're up to half a dozen threads now, each one with drivel like this. Will you go as high as 30 dead threads, as you did recently?
[quote]What is your theory of government?
I'm a pragmatist. I'm in favor of what works; it's that simple. There are things that are appropriate for government; there are things appropriate for the private sector.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||05/13/2016|
[quote]how would the new republic of NYC support its infrastructure? No federal or state dollars to repair......
R75, you fail to realize that an independent NYC would not be paying any federal or state dollars to the US Government or the State of New York, and since New York state send more federal tax dollars to DC than it receives back, I would guess that NYC does the same. NYC also probably sends more tax dollars to Albany than it gets back, so it could maintain total current tax rates and do okay on taxes.
I think it is a silly idea for NYC to secede, but your reasoning is also silly.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||05/13/2016|
So, if pragmatic policy called for sterilization of the "untermensch" then you would be all for it?
If pragmatism meant putting dissidents in concentration camps, you would support it?
Was it "pragmatic" for Clinton to bomb the Balkans? For Obama to invade Syria?
What do you mean by "pragmatic"?
Pragmatic seems to translate into "whatever the government says".
What hard and fast limits should be placed on government power?!?!
|by Anonymous||reply 85||05/13/2016|
LOL Only California, which is the 7th largest economy in the world, could only contemplate such an idea. New York, honey, you could never.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||05/13/2016|
[quote] Was it "pragmatic" for Clinton to bomb the Balkans?
No, it was compassion.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||05/13/2016|
Under president Trump I hope California voters force a referendum on secession.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||05/13/2016|
NOBODY IS SECEDING! Now just stop your whining, all of you! A democracy requires the losers to live with their loss, and try again next cycle. No quitting!
|by Anonymous||reply 89||05/13/2016|
[quote] "What works"?!?!?
Yup. Is this too difficult a concept for you? That I prefer reality to fantasy? That I like things that work and I discard things that don't? That I'm fine with a blend of private and public, capitalism and socialism, and so on? This isn't really a difficult concept. I suspect that you're the only one who has trouble comprehending.
[quote]So, if pragmatic policy called for sterilization of the "untermensch" then you would be all for it?
LOL.... I knew you wouldn't be capable of actually having a serious discussion. Tell you what, as soon as I say anything even remotely resembling that, you bring up that question again, won't you?
[quote]If pragmatism meant putting dissidents in concentration camps, you would support it?
No, dear, but hey, you keep on living in that little fantasy world of yours where this is a legitimate reply. We'll be right here ready for you when you decide that reality is better than lying.
[quote]What do you mean by "pragmatic"?
Pragmatic [adjective]: dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.
[quote]Pragmatic seems to translate into "whatever the government says".
And if I'd said anything even remotely resembling that, you might have a point. Since I didn't, all this means is that you're lying again, rather blatantly and clumsily.
[quote]What hard and fast limits should be placed on government power?!?!
Whatever is appropriate given the circumstances.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||05/13/2016|
[quote]Under president Trump I hope California voters force a referendum on secession.
Not gonna happen but then you never have let reality intrude on your fantasies.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||05/13/2016|
California is not some ghetto state that's going to secede. We pretty much own The Navy , NASA, and 1/3 of the army. Will just start ruling the West Coast and problem solved.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||05/13/2016|
|by Anonymous||reply 93||05/13/2016|
I just love how our Idiot Libertarian Troll [tm] went from "pragmatism" to the Holocaust in one easy step. And he wonders why nobody here ever takes him seriously.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||05/14/2016|
Hitler's "pragmatism" - he needed "An Other" to demonize (much like the US Police State demonizes Muslims and freedom fighters) and Jews were the perfect target.
Pragmatic policy means mass murder is ALWAYS on the table as a solution. Your short sighted inability to conceive this is typical of socialist cows waiting for slaughter.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||05/14/2016|
[quote]Hitler's "pragmatism" - he needed "An Other" to demonize (much like the US Police State demonizes Muslims and freedom fighters) and Jews were the perfect target.
Which has nothing at all to do with anything that anyone on here has said. Thank you for conceding that you don't have a rational argument to make.
[quote]Pragmatic policy means mass murder is ALWAYS on the table as a solution.
Only in your fevered imagination, cupcake. And it's telling just which of us went to "mass murder."
[quote]Your short sighted inability to conceive this is typical of socialist cows waiting for slaughter.
ROFL... Whatever you say, cupcake. Personally, I'm doing just fine in this "socialist" hell.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||05/14/2016|
Finally, their language would be their own.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||05/14/2016|
Such wonderful logic!
Your defense of government is tiresome.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||05/17/2016|
Why, that's a fine idear OP. Lotta patronage in a republic.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||05/17/2016|
Mayor DeBlasio has been funneling money to his family and cronies via PAC.
I hope they impeach him. I thought Bloomberg was worse than Giuliani, but DeBlasio is the worst of the lot!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 100||05/17/2016|
We could have concluded this thread at R1.
|by Anonymous||reply 101||05/17/2016|
|by Anonymous||reply 102||05/17/2016|
[quote]R96 - Such wonderful logic! Your defense of government is tiresome.
Resurrecting all your old threads again, I see. Interesting that you still feel compelled to lie about what other people post. Is reading comprehension always this much trouble for you? Or do you just like lying?
Oh, the irony.... Actually, R101 has it exactly right. Your fevered "secession" dreams are never going to come true. Deal with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||05/18/2016|
OP has no idea of the corruption running wild in all spheres of NYC govt. The native population around here needs outside checks and balances. Some Guido could become president.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||05/18/2016|
R104 On that note an idiotic Jew could become Duke of New York. remember Abe Beame? A total shitstain.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||05/18/2016|
If people in NYC were focused on LOCAL politicians, instead of national, that corruption could be rooted out.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||05/18/2016|
Yes, because no local government is *ever* corrupt.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||05/18/2016|
Your "logic" is ignorant.
Since corruption exists at the local AND federal level, attempting to fight it by removing federal level politics from the equation and focusing on local corruption is pointless, and we should just ignore the corruption.
What a sad, pathetic little cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||05/18/2016|
[quote]Your "logic" is ignorant.
Well, that's mostly because, as usual, you can't read what I actually write and have to make up shit instead.
[quote]Since corruption exists at the local AND federal level, attempting to fight it by removing federal level politics from the equation and focusing on local corruption is pointless, and we should just ignore the corruption.
Q.E.D. What's weird about the lying is that the post you're lying about is right there for everyone to see.
[quote]What a sad, pathetic little cunt.
LOL.... Right back at you, cupcake. And so nice to have your misogyny confirmed yet again.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||05/18/2016|