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Should NYC secede from the Union?

Would it help everyone involved for new yorkers to become a sovereign nation?

by Anonymousreply 10905/18/2016

No.

Stupid.

by Anonymousreply 102/16/2012

About ten years ago Staten Island wanted to become separate from NYC. Nothing happened because the State would have to approve it.

by Anonymousreply 202/16/2012

"As a city-state it would be one of the most powerful in the world"

With no military or nuclear weapons?

by Anonymousreply 505/18/2013

The OP of this and the other pro-secessionist threads is just too stupid to live.

And he keeps posting and posting and posting them, like some kind of Confederate OCD freak. Someone should take his $18 and shove it down his throat.

by Anonymousreply 605/18/2013

Op picks a topic every two days and bumps all available threads on the subject....for some reason.

by Anonymousreply 705/18/2013

Where would we get food from? Last I checked NYC didn't have a lot of farms. There would be a huge premium charged to trade with a secessionist region.

The trade imbalance alone would doom nyc.

by Anonymousreply 1105/18/2013

I think it's a great idea. If a Dem is in office, then you would get billions in foreign aid. If a Repub is in office, you would get invaded if terrorists from Saudi Arabia attack anywhere in the world and would be have to be rebuilt. Of course, with your record of electing politicians, you'd collapse within ten years.

by Anonymousreply 1305/18/2013

Bloomberg the dictator?

by Anonymousreply 1405/18/2013

ROFLMAO.

So indicative of how stupid some New Yorkers truly are.

NYC would have no chance at all on its own. California would have a better chance but still wouldn't be able to make it.

by Anonymousreply 1505/18/2013

CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.

NYC has neither oil nor food production to sustain itself.

by Anonymousreply 1705/18/2013

Should the OP be euthanized for her extreme stupidity?

by Anonymousreply 2005/18/2013

Do you actually consider that a logical argument, R18?

by Anonymousreply 2105/18/2013

It would not necessarily be more powerful. The only thing that makes NYC even remotely powerful is the financial industry. However, the financial industry is more mobile than ever today. There's no need for it to be tied to NYC anymore.

by Anonymousreply 2305/18/2013

Perhaps, on a similar note, we should have less states. Maybe six.

by Anonymousreply 2405/18/2013

WhaaAt?

by Anonymousreply 2605/18/2013

R25 is missing a few keys on her keyboard, and a few bricks in her head.

by Anonymousreply 2705/19/2013

OP is proof that New Yorkers have a more insular world view than any flyover from Kansas.

by Anonymousreply 2805/19/2013

If it were to become a separate state, then you could pass new laws to allow the beating and shooting of queers.

by Anonymousreply 3405/20/2013

I hope not. I just got here this morning. (3 bucks, two bags, one me)

by Anonymousreply 3505/20/2013

[quote]CA needs more oil than it can produce, although at least it could grow most of its own food.

Using whose water?

by Anonymousreply 3605/20/2013

I always thought Long Island should become a separate state from NY. The people who live on it all say where they're from like it already is: "I'm from Bayshore, Long Island." No, you're from Bayshore, New York.

by Anonymousreply 3705/20/2013

R36, there's plenty of water in Northern California.

by Anonymousreply 3805/20/2013

They could (and should) pay market prices for water. As it is, they steal water from other states.

by Anonymousreply 3905/20/2013

I think the split could occur. Then I could be "Dictator for Life."

by Anonymousreply 4105/30/2013

R41, they would spit you out like a piece of undercooked 2 Guys pizza.

by Anonymousreply 4208/09/2013

"No. It epitomizes everything America stands for."

New York is moribund. All other American cities will pass over its carcass on the path to greatness.

by Anonymousreply 4308/09/2013

New York DLers openly mocked Rick Perry for suggesting that Texas secede. Consider yourselves openly mocked.

by Anonymousreply 4408/09/2013

understand why government is evil but still post hateful screeds when someone mentions Mises, Rothbard or Rockwell.R39 and R40

by Anonymousreply 4608/15/2013

I hate these pseudo-Libertarians. They are just so fucking stupid that I don't know how they manage to keep breathing in and out.

President Lincoln and 620,000 dead American soldiers settled this matter in 1865. It's over and done with, no matter how much ridiculous whining you indulge in.

The answer to "Should [State X] secede from the Union" is always NO.

by Anonymousreply 4708/15/2013

Yes. Totally. Small is better. A city state is a good idea. Like Singapore. No we dont have to grow our own food - we get it from NJ with Fresh Direct. We have Wall Street, broadway, Madison Avenue and the best talent from all over the world. It will be good not to have to deal with what the rest of the state thinks. Of course we keep the name. Upstate can be called Buffalo.

by Anonymousreply 4808/15/2013

Yes. Please.

A free state of Manhattan would be the new Western Hong Kong.

by Anonymousreply 4912/09/2014

No. It should be thrown out.

by Anonymousreply 5012/10/2014

In the past I would have dismissed any talk of secession out of hand, but as time goes on, Republicans are really digging in their heels AND becoming more extreme, even to the point that elected officials run a real risk of being rejected by their party if they cooperate in any way with or show any respect for a member of the Democratic party, including the president.

It's my opinion that if the trend continues unabated, it will eventually break the country's back so to speak, and the union will splinter.

by Anonymousreply 5112/10/2014

Bye-bye, NYC! Don't let the door hit ya on the way out!

by Anonymousreply 5212/10/2014

New Yorkers have terribly overbloated egos, no?

by Anonymousreply 5312/10/2014

If you Yankee bastards had minded yor own god danged business in the first place, instead of starting your War of Northern Aggression on us innocent, hard working, GOD FEARING white boys, you wouldnlt BE in the mess youlre in. Hell, you perverts actually believe the homosickuals should be seen in public by decent people. You just keep all them fan dancing misfits above the Mason-Dixon and West of Ol' Miss, ya hear? And griping about high taxes is OUR thing, not yorn, so just pipe down already. Ain't it enough we let you even work to pay taxes? Good god almighty you carpet baggin' Yankees are dumb. We're all for you idiots seceeding so we can take our nation back from commie jew control. And take the rest of the libruhlz with ya!!

Nuke a godless, communist, gay baby seal for Christ!! Sooo weee pig!

by Anonymousreply 5412/10/2014

...and there you have it!

by Anonymousreply 5512/10/2014

I think any form of re-drawing borders & various divisions in this country would be more time, money & general bureaucratic bullshit than any advantage would be worth. I think it's a more more pragmatic method to improve society within the framework of the national subdivions we do have.

by Anonymousreply 5612/10/2014

*AHEM* R4!

by Anonymousreply 5712/10/2014

You know Charles DeGaulle spent nearly his entire post-war political life threatening little Monaco with invasion. Keep that in mind, NYC.

by Anonymousreply 5812/10/2014

I traveled through the South frequently. Some of the funniest local news and commercials I've seen anywhere, for their sheer stupidity. One featured a local combover lawyer in a hunting outfit, with a dog and shotgun. That one he was running for some political seat. RIGHT AFTER it came his Personal Injury commercial. I laughed for hours over that one.

by Anonymousreply 5912/11/2014

Why should NYC remain chained to backwards states?

If it seceded it could set internal medical care policies, criminal laws, etc. to protect us.

Instead we give billions in taxes to DC and get shit in return.

by Anonymousreply 6012/31/2014

Why bother separating when you rule the entire nation now?

by Anonymousreply 6112/31/2014

R61-

ask anyone who has ever been "stop-n-frisk"ed.

Without the "Washington, DC" political bullshit ---well then drugs, gambling and prostitution would've been legal in NYC 40 years ago.

Unfortunately the Big Banks on Wall Street control Congress, so this will never happen.

by Anonymousreply 6212/31/2014

Poverty has been rising in NYC. According to 2013 Census data, 21.2 % of NYC lives at or below the poverty line.

The federal government provides subsidized housing, healthcare (Medicaid), food (SNAP/food stamps) and monthly stipends (welfare/SSI) to NYC's impoverished that allows them to sustain their lives. If NYC were to become independent, it would have to take over these programs, which cost 100's of millions of dollars per year. Or risk close to 2 million hungry, homeless people taking to the streets.

by Anonymousreply 6312/31/2014

R63-

Most of the money printed by the Federal Reserve has been funneled to the NYC and SF areas, with parts of ND/TX benefiting.

Why should NYC be starving?

Wait- unless that new money, printed by the government and big banks, was being given to the bank execs, and their cronies, and the media, and the big military and media suppliers- well, that might change the narrative.

The "little people" are being destroyed by the government, and the government knows it...and is scared.

by Anonymousreply 6412/31/2014

R17-

NYC could import all the energy needs.

by Anonymousreply 6512/31/2014

It could lease military and time share nuclear weapons.

by Anonymousreply 6612/31/2014

If Trump wins will you support NYC leaving the USA and creating a new, independent city-state free of Washington DC?

by Anonymousreply 6705/04/2016

If NYC succeeded from the country, then I think New England should send a nuclear submarine off their coast and demand their surrender. Then we can strip them of their resources, before cutting them loose again.

by Anonymousreply 6805/04/2016

No, you fucking asswipe. But perhaps you and your idiotic threads could secede from DL; 'mkay???

by Anonymousreply 6905/04/2016

So, R68-

You admit that violence is your solution.

If the people of New York City decided to leave the United States then you would support murdering them for their desire to not live under President Trump?

by Anonymousreply 7005/04/2016

Oh, good grief, you idiotic troll. How many of your dead threads are you going to resurrect? And when will you accept that no state is going to secede from the United States?

by Anonymousreply 7105/05/2016

R71-

Sorry tough questions trigger you.

Take a Midol.

by Anonymousreply 7205/05/2016

[quote]Sorry tough questions trigger you.

LOL... So you're proud of being a troll? Proud of always being wrong?

[quote]Take a Midol.

Thanks again for confirming that you're a misogynist?

by Anonymousreply 7305/05/2016

[quote] So, [R68]- You admit that violence is your solution...If the people of New York City decided to leave the United States then you would support murdering them for their desire to not live under President Trump?

I support murdering the people of NYC on principle, regardless of their feelings about Trump. But it's really just their resources I want, and their prescious bodily fluids.

by Anonymousreply 7405/05/2016

OP, how would the new republic of NYC support its infrastructure? No federal or state dollars to repair the old sewer and subway systems, repair the streets, maintain the bridges, support the schools, etc. Higher taxes? Employers bail because they don't want to be cut off from federal aid and don't want higher taxes. Loss of jobs when employers leave mean another increase in taxes. More employers leave because of the higher taxes. Tourism falls off because there's no money to maintain the infrastructure. The loss of those dollars mean the new republic has another budgetary shortfall. Crime goes up because people are starving. No new jobs. Just think, your republic wouldn't be able to replace street lights and police, firemen and EMTS are nonexistent. Your republic couldn't afford their wages, pension plans and medical plans. I forgot about trash collectors. The list goes on.

Yes, I can see this a good idea. One thing you should add to your plan, OP. Anyone who would vote for this new utopia has to agree to stay in NYC for 10 years, minimum, no relocating when it turns to shit.

by Anonymousreply 7505/06/2016

Oh, but see, R75, in this new utopia, all taxes would be abolished and the private sector would take over. Everything would be rainbows and unicorns after that, although he's never quite clear how that would work.

by Anonymousreply 7605/06/2016

NYC, as a free country, would be in the G20 (aka, one of the largest economies on the planet) and is larger than most US states. California would be the twelfth largest economy on the planet.

Why do we need Washington DC?!?!

by Anonymousreply 7705/09/2016

Idiot New Yorkers voted for Giuliani and Bloomberg. Not to mention Koch. They are no prize.

by Anonymousreply 7805/09/2016

Yup, you're drunk and resurrecting all of your dead threads, all right. Oh, joy... we've been blessed by our resident Idiot Libertarian Troll again. Lucky us.

by Anonymousreply 7905/09/2016

If Trump wins, will you change your mind?

by Anonymousreply 8005/10/2016

Drunk again, are you? How many of your dead threads are you going to resurrect this time? And when will you accept that no state is going to secede from the United States?

by Anonymousreply 8105/11/2016

R73-

What is your theory of government? What limits should government have? What is the relationship between individuals and government?

by Anonymousreply 8205/13/2016

Yup, you're drunk again, all right. We're up to half a dozen threads now, each one with drivel like this. Will you go as high as 30 dead threads, as you did recently?

[quote]What is your theory of government?

I'm a pragmatist. I'm in favor of what works; it's that simple. There are things that are appropriate for government; there are things appropriate for the private sector.

by Anonymousreply 8305/13/2016

[quote]how would the new republic of NYC support its infrastructure? No federal or state dollars to repair......

R75, you fail to realize that an independent NYC would not be paying any federal or state dollars to the US Government or the State of New York, and since New York state send more federal tax dollars to DC than it receives back, I would guess that NYC does the same. NYC also probably sends more tax dollars to Albany than it gets back, so it could maintain total current tax rates and do okay on taxes.

I think it is a silly idea for NYC to secede, but your reasoning is also silly.

by Anonymousreply 8405/13/2016

R83

"What works"?!?!?

So, if pragmatic policy called for sterilization of the "untermensch" then you would be all for it?

If pragmatism meant putting dissidents in concentration camps, you would support it?

Was it "pragmatic" for Clinton to bomb the Balkans? For Obama to invade Syria?

What do you mean by "pragmatic"?

Pragmatic seems to translate into "whatever the government says".

What hard and fast limits should be placed on government power?!?!

by Anonymousreply 8505/13/2016

LOL Only California, which is the 7th largest economy in the world, could only contemplate such an idea. New York, honey, you could never.

by Anonymousreply 8605/13/2016

[quote] Was it "pragmatic" for Clinton to bomb the Balkans?

No, it was compassion.

by Anonymousreply 8705/13/2016

R86-

Under president Trump I hope California voters force a referendum on secession.

by Anonymousreply 8805/13/2016

NOBODY IS SECEDING! Now just stop your whining, all of you! A democracy requires the losers to live with their loss, and try again next cycle. No quitting!

by Anonymousreply 8905/13/2016

[quote] "What works"?!?!?

Yup. Is this too difficult a concept for you? That I prefer reality to fantasy? That I like things that work and I discard things that don't? That I'm fine with a blend of private and public, capitalism and socialism, and so on? This isn't really a difficult concept. I suspect that you're the only one who has trouble comprehending.

[quote]So, if pragmatic policy called for sterilization of the "untermensch" then you would be all for it?

LOL.... I knew you wouldn't be capable of actually having a serious discussion. Tell you what, as soon as I say anything even remotely resembling that, you bring up that question again, won't you?

[quote]If pragmatism meant putting dissidents in concentration camps, you would support it?

No, dear, but hey, you keep on living in that little fantasy world of yours where this is a legitimate reply. We'll be right here ready for you when you decide that reality is better than lying.

[quote]What do you mean by "pragmatic"?

Pragmatic [adjective]: dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.

[quote]Pragmatic seems to translate into "whatever the government says".

And if I'd said anything even remotely resembling that, you might have a point. Since I didn't, all this means is that you're lying again, rather blatantly and clumsily.

[quote]What hard and fast limits should be placed on government power?!?!

Whatever is appropriate given the circumstances.

by Anonymousreply 9005/13/2016

[quote]Under president Trump I hope California voters force a referendum on secession.

Not gonna happen but then you never have let reality intrude on your fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 9105/13/2016

Silly R88!.

California is not some ghetto state that's going to secede. We pretty much own The Navy , NASA, and 1/3 of the army. Will just start ruling the West Coast and problem solved.

by Anonymousreply 9205/13/2016

We'll*

by Anonymousreply 9305/13/2016

I just love how our Idiot Libertarian Troll [tm] went from "pragmatism" to the Holocaust in one easy step. And he wonders why nobody here ever takes him seriously.

by Anonymousreply 9405/14/2016

R94

Hitler's "pragmatism" - he needed "An Other" to demonize (much like the US Police State demonizes Muslims and freedom fighters) and Jews were the perfect target.

Pragmatic policy means mass murder is ALWAYS on the table as a solution. Your short sighted inability to conceive this is typical of socialist cows waiting for slaughter.

by Anonymousreply 9505/14/2016

[quote]Hitler's "pragmatism" - he needed "An Other" to demonize (much like the US Police State demonizes Muslims and freedom fighters) and Jews were the perfect target.

Which has nothing at all to do with anything that anyone on here has said. Thank you for conceding that you don't have a rational argument to make.

[quote]Pragmatic policy means mass murder is ALWAYS on the table as a solution.

Only in your fevered imagination, cupcake. And it's telling just which of us went to "mass murder."

[quote]Your short sighted inability to conceive this is typical of socialist cows waiting for slaughter.

ROFL... Whatever you say, cupcake. Personally, I'm doing just fine in this "socialist" hell.

by Anonymousreply 9605/15/2016

Finally, their language would be their own.

by Anonymousreply 9705/15/2016

R96

Such wonderful logic!

Your defense of government is tiresome.

by Anonymousreply 9805/17/2016

Why, that's a fine idear OP. Lotta patronage in a republic.

by Anonymousreply 9905/17/2016

Mayor DeBlasio has been funneling money to his family and cronies via PAC.

I hope they impeach him. I thought Bloomberg was worse than Giuliani, but DeBlasio is the worst of the lot!!!

by Anonymousreply 10005/18/2016

We could have concluded this thread at R1.

by Anonymousreply 10105/18/2016

R101=Moron.

by Anonymousreply 10205/18/2016

[quote]R96 - Such wonderful logic! Your defense of government is tiresome.

Resurrecting all your old threads again, I see. Interesting that you still feel compelled to lie about what other people post. Is reading comprehension always this much trouble for you? Or do you just like lying?

[quote]R101=Moron.

Oh, the irony.... Actually, R101 has it exactly right. Your fevered "secession" dreams are never going to come true. Deal with it.

by Anonymousreply 10305/18/2016

R104 On that note an idiotic Jew could become Duke of New York. remember Abe Beame? A total shitstain.

by Anonymousreply 10505/18/2016

R104

If people in NYC were focused on LOCAL politicians, instead of national, that corruption could be rooted out.

by Anonymousreply 10605/18/2016

Yes, because no local government is *ever* corrupt.

by Anonymousreply 10705/18/2016

R107

Your "logic" is ignorant.

Since corruption exists at the local AND federal level, attempting to fight it by removing federal level politics from the equation and focusing on local corruption is pointless, and we should just ignore the corruption.

What a sad, pathetic little cunt.

by Anonymousreply 10805/18/2016

[quote]Your "logic" is ignorant.

Well, that's mostly because, as usual, you can't read what I actually write and have to make up shit instead.

[quote]Since corruption exists at the local AND federal level, attempting to fight it by removing federal level politics from the equation and focusing on local corruption is pointless, and we should just ignore the corruption.

Q.E.D. What's weird about the lying is that the post you're lying about is right there for everyone to see.

[quote]What a sad, pathetic little cunt.

LOL.... Right back at you, cupcake. And so nice to have your misogyny confirmed yet again.

by Anonymousreply 10905/18/2016
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