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Reasons to not support Ron Paul

1. Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities. Ron Paul has sponsored legislation that would repeal affirmative action, keep the IRS from investigating private schools who may have used race as a factor in denying entrance, thus losing their tax exempt status, would limit the scope of Brown versus Board of Education, and would deny citizenship for those born in the US if their parents are not citizens. Here are links to these bills: H.R.3863, H.R.5909, H.J.RES.46, andH.J.RES.42.

by Anonymousreply 3612/09/2014

2. Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights. Ron Paul makes it very clear that one of his aims is to repeal Roe v. Wade. He has also co sponsored 4 separate bills to “To provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.” This, of course, goes against current medical and scientific information as well as our existing laws and precedents. Please see these links: H.R.2597 and H.R.392

by Anonymousreply 101/29/2012

3. Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA, or the Occupational Safety and Health Act and would deal devastating blows to Social Security including repealing the act that makes it mandatory for employees of nonprofits, to make “coverage completely optional for both present and future workers”, and would “freeze benefit levels”. He has also twice sponsored legislation seeking to repeal the Davis-Bacon Act and the Copeland Act which among other things provide that contractors for the federal government must provide the prevailing wage and prohibits corporate “kick backs.” Here are the related legislative links: H.R.2030, H.R.4604, H.R.736, and H.R.2720

by Anonymousreply 201/29/2012

4. Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes. He has repeatedly submitted amendments to the tax code that would get rid of the estate and gift taxes, tax all earners at 10%, disallow income tax credits to individuals who are not corporations, repeal the elderly tax credit, child care credit, earned income credit, and other common credits for working class citizens. Please see this link for more information: H.R.05484 Summary

by Anonymousreply 301/29/2012

5. Paul’s policies would cause irreparable damage to our already strained environment. Among other travesties he supports off shore drilling, building more oil refineries, mining on federal lands, no taxes on the production of fuel, and would stop conservation efforts that could be a “Federal obstacle” to building and maintaining refineries. He has also sought to amend the Clean Air Act, repeal the Soil and Water Conservation Act of 1977, and to amend the Federal Water Pollution Control Act to “restrict the jurisdiction of the United States over the discharge of dredged or fill material to discharges into waters”. To see for yourself the possible extent of the damage to the environment that would happen under a Paul administration please follow these links: H.R.2504, H.R.7079, H.R.7245, H.R.2415, H.R.393, H.R.4639, H.R.5293 and H.R.6936

by Anonymousreply 401/29/2012

6. A Ron Paul administration would continue to proliferate the negative image of the US among other nations. Ron Paul supports withdrawing the US from the UN, when that has not happened he has fought to at least have the US withdrawn from the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization. He has introduced legislation to keep the US from giving any funds to the UN. He also submitted that the US funds should not be used in any UN peacekeeping mission or any UN program at all. He has sponsored a bill calling for us to “terminate all participation by the United States in the United Nations, and to remove all privileges, exemptions, and immunities of the United Nations.”Ron Paul twice supported stopping the destruction of intercontinental ballistic missile silos in the United States. He also would continue with Bush’s plan of ignoring international laws by maintaining an insistence that the International Criminal Court does not apply to the US, despite President Clinton’s signature on the original treaty. The International Criminal Court is used for, among other things, prosecution of war crimes. Please see the following links: H.R.3891,H.AMDT.191, H.AMDT.190, H.R.3769, H.R.1665, H.CON.RES.23, and H.R.1154

by Anonymousreply 501/29/2012

7. Ron Paul discriminates on the basis of sexual orientation and would not provide equal rights and protections to glbt citizens. This is an issue that Paul sort of dances around. He has been praised for stating that the federal government should not regulate who a person marries. This has been construed by some to mean that he is somewhat open to the idea of same sex marriage, he is not. Paul was an original co sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act in the House in 2004. Among other things this discriminatory piece of legislation placed a prohibition on the recognition of a same sex marriage across state borders. He said in 2004 that if he was in the Texas legislature he would not allow judges to come up with “new definitions” of marriage. Paul is a very religious conservative and though he is careful with his words his record shows that he is not a supporter of same sex marriage. In 1980 he introduced a particularly bigoted bill entitled “A bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 A direct quote from the legislation “Prohibits the expenditure of Federal funds to any organization which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style.” shows that he is unequivocally opposed to lifestyles other than heterosexual.

by Anonymousreply 601/29/2012

8. Ron Paul has an unnatural obsession with guns. One of Paul’s loudest gripes is that the second amendment of the constitution is being eroded. In fact, he believes that September 11 would not have happened if that wasn’t true. He advocates for there to be no restrictions on personal ownership of semi-automatic weaponry or large capacity ammunition feeding devices, would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act (because we all know our schools are just missing more guns), wants guns to be allowed in our National Parks, and repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968. Now, I’m pretty damn certain that when the Constitution was written our founding fathers never intended for people to be walking around the streets with AK47′s and “large capacity ammunition feeding devices.” (That just sounds scary.) Throughout the years our Constitution has been amended and is indeed a living document needing changes to stay relevant in our society. Paul has no problem changing the Constitution when it fits his needs, such as no longer allowing those born in the US to be citizens if their parents are not. On the gun issue though he is no holds barred. I know he’s from Texas but really, common sense tells us that the amendments he is seeking to repeal have their place. In fact, the gun control act was put into place after the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., and Robert Kennedy. Please view the following links: H.R.2424, H.R.1897, H.R.1096,H.R.407, H.R.1147, and H.R.3892.

by Anonymousreply 701/29/2012

9. Ron Paul would butcher our already sad educational system. The fact is that Ron Paul wants to privatize everything and that includes education. Where we run into problems is that it has been shown (think our current health care system) that this doesn’t work so well in practice. Ron Paul has introduced legislation that would keep the Federal Government “from planning, developing, implementing, or administering any national teacher test or method of certification and from withholding funds from States or local educational agencies that fail to adopt a specific method of teacher certification.” In a separate piece of legislation he seeks to “prohibit the payment of Federal Education assistance in States which require the licensing or certification of private schools or private school teachers.” So basically the federal government can’t regulate teaching credentials and if states opt to require them for private schools they get no aid. That sounds like a marvelous idea teachers with no certification teaching in private schools that are allowed to discriminate on the basis of race. He is certainly moving forward with these proposals!Remember his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955? Guess what? He basically advocates for segregation in schools once again. It “Forbids any court of the United States from requiring the attendance at a particular school of any student because of race, color, creed, or sex.” Without thinking about this statement it doesn’t sound bad at all. But remember, when desegregating schools that this is done by having children go to different schools, often after a court decision as in Brown Vs. Board of Education. If this were a bill that passed, schools would no longer be compelled to comply and the schools would go back to segregation based on their locations. Ron Paul is really starting to look like a pretty bigoted guy don’t you think?

by Anonymousreply 801/29/2012

10. Ron Paul is opposed to the separation of church and state. This reason is probably behind every other thing that I disagree with in regards to Paul’s positions. Ron Paul is among those who believes that there is a war on religion, he stated “Through perverse court decisions and years of cultural indoctrination, the elitist, secular Left has managed to convince many in our nation that religion must be driven from public view.” (( Koyaanisqatsi Blog: Wrong Paul Why I Do Not Want Ron Paul to be My President )) Though he talks a good talk, at times, Ron Paul can’t get away from his far right, conservative views. He would support “alternative views” to evolution taught in public schools (i.e. Intelligent Design.) We’ve already taken a look at his “bill to strengthen the American family and promote the virtues of family life.” or H.R.7955 Besides hating the gays he takes a very religious stance on many other things. He is attempting to force his beliefs on the rest of America, exactly what he would do as president.

by Anonymousreply 901/29/2012

You're preaching to the choir.

by Anonymousreply 1001/29/2012

We should all be pushing as hard as we can for him to run as an independent.

by Anonymousreply 1101/29/2012

To divide the Republican vote?

by Anonymousreply 1201/29/2012


by Anonymousreply 1301/29/2012

Just saw this, and loved it and have to share:

Ron Paul believes 100% what he says

Gingrich believes 0% what he says

Romney says 100% what he thinks you believe

by Anonymousreply 1401/29/2012

Why are you even worried about Ron Paul? He has as much of a chance of being president in 2012 as I do.

by Anonymousreply 1501/29/2012

There are still some stupid liberals and progressives that are championing Ron Paul... and they need to be educated.

by Anonymousreply 1601/29/2012

Quasi-progressive naive libertarians are attracted to Ron Paul. But they should be educated about his crazy and backwards policies, as OP and r16 suggest.

by Anonymousreply 1701/29/2012

11. Ron Paul is insane.

by Anonymousreply 1801/29/2012

Snoop Dogg just posted a few days ago that he was voting for Ron Paul, so your claims he is a racist are false.

by Anonymousreply 1902/01/2012

R19, really? Really? That's the best you can come up with?

by Anonymousreply 2002/01/2012

12. Ceaseless Ron Paul (and his tbcjscpctscroc) threads.

by Anonymousreply 2102/01/2012

"Ron Paul does not value equal rights for minorities."

Would that be the Irish? Or Cherokee? Or 1/4 Chinese 1/2 Japanese 1/4 Africans?

We are ALL minorities. I'm "technically" Native American, but who cares. Anyone who supports "SPECIAL RIGHTS" for any "minority" is just a racist shill.

"Ron Paul would deny women control of their bodies and reproductive rights"

Did you get pregnant? Well think about not fucking around before you are able to have babies.

Anyway, there are multiple options- if you aren't stopped by the federal GOVERNMENT, or your state GOVERNMENT, you can order medicines that will end any pregnancy in the first 4 months with almost no issues. If you wait until the baby is 2 lbs and has a heartbeat...well, just have the kid, and give it up for adoption.

" Ron Paul would be disastrous for the working class. He supports abolishing the Federal minimum wage, has twice introduced legislation to repeal OSHA"

Well, tell the poor kids in inner cities that can't get jobs due to the minimum wage laws. Or the industries shut down because OSHA said that the paint on the wall was the wrong color. Or the ramp was 3" too short. Or the shelves were 4" too tall. OSHA is shit.

" Ron Paul’s tax plan is unfair to lower earners and would greatly benefit those with the highest incomes."

This is the best! So, raising the taxes on the poor is a good idea? As of 1/1/2013 all taxpayers are paying an extra 2%- and that hurts the poor.

I'll stop there- any rational person can see that Ron Paul would have been far superior to Obama or Romney.

Now, you shall reap what you have sown.

by Anonymousreply 2201/09/2013

case and point ^

by Anonymousreply 2301/09/2013

R22, logic doesn't work here.

Just look at the "Raise the minimum wage to $22/hr" thread.

They cannot see that it would result in mass unemployment, inflation and black market employment.

by Anonymousreply 2403/29/2013

R24, it actually wouldn't, but you go ahead and believe whatever you need to in order to cling to your failed ideologies.

by Anonymousreply 2503/29/2013

ugh, the libertarian is on the lam

by Anonymousreply 2603/29/2013

Has anyone else noticed that every single prediction a libertarian has ever made, has utterly failed to ever come true, ever, at all?

by Anonymousreply 2703/29/2013

It's great that you posted this, OP. I was all ready to make a huge donation to Ron Paul. Maybe I'll reconsider.

by Anonymousreply 2803/29/2013

Why did you change your mind, R28?

by Anonymousreply 2903/30/2013

Anyone who donates to Ron Paul is a fucking idiot.

by Anonymousreply 3003/30/2013

Why, R30?

Do you like murdering innocent people? Or putting minorities in jail? Or bailing out big banks and corporations? Or invading foreign countries? Or destroying civil liberties?

Which of these things do you support?

by Anonymousreply 3103/30/2013

R31, look up "logical fallacies", in particular the "strawman argument".

One can recognize that Ron Paul is a lunatic hypocrite and asshat, without "liking" or supporting any of that shit.

He's basically like a stopped-clock... right twice a day, though through no actual ability or skill of his own.

People who buy into his bullshit are pretty mindless and oblivious and uninformed. Your post is pretty typical of the mindless ignorance, and the irrational bullshit his followers spew.

by Anonymousreply 3203/30/2013

It's racist to stop the minorities from sucking on the government teat.

I wonder why there doesn't seem to be any run down white neighborhoods in Chicago or NYC or LA.

Plenty of poor white people in those cities, according to the US Census.

Of course the government is controlled by white people so it's a plot.

by Anonymousreply 3303/31/2013

What in the FUCK are you babbling on about, R33? Seriously, try and make some sense next time you post.

by Anonymousreply 3403/31/2013

Rob Paul is, and was, a nobody with a few hardcore morons who couldn't think but hated anything not white.

by Anonymousreply 3503/31/2013

Reason Number ONE-

He won't kill and torture the brown people Obama wants to kill and torture!!!

by Anonymousreply 3612/09/2014
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