HGTV's Selling NY vs Selling LA.
I think Selling New York is hands down much more entertaining.
The Selling LA agents and brokers physically look washed out and sickly. The male agents don't have an ounce of masculinity. The homes lack character and style. Just big, boxy and beige. Actually the LA homes look like gargatuan tract homes.
The New York agents appear more polished and professional and the properties are much more interesting.
If I had the opportunity and the means, I'll take NY.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||01/24/2013|
I watch this on mute because I don't want to hear from the odd-looking Kleir women, I just want to see the properties. I've never seen the L.A. version, hard to believe the LA agents look worse than the Kleirs!
|by Anonymous||reply 1||12/16/2011|
Have to agree Selling New York is by far the better show. Did you watch The Spelling Manor? That woman is a hoarder with money, she truly epitomizes what is wrong with LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||12/16/2011|
I find something fascinating with those odd looking Kleir faces.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||12/16/2011|
I love the Kleirs. Always get a hoot when the brokers sit around with disbelief and contempt when a client wants a certain amount of things and are aghast they are only willing to spend $2 million. Last night's LA was ridiculous someone paid $40,000 for three plants. Foolishness.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||12/16/2011|
[quote] I find something fascinating with those odd looking Kleir faces.
They're like the real estate version of the Olsen Twins.
|by Anonymous||reply 6||12/16/2011|
I love the Kleiers. Especially the dark haired one and the Kennedy-era way she appears and comports herself.
Both shows are ridiculously fake though. The fake drama is so transparent.
NYers, did that creepy guy with the ponytail ever sell the Pumpkin House?
|by Anonymous||reply 7||12/16/2011|
I want Shaun Osher from NYC deeply inside me. What a total stud daddy! I know he's a metrosexual.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||12/16/2011|
The New York version has ordinary annoying people. The LA version has super annoying people like the stogie-wielding (in spirit if not in fact) Scientology freak who insisted he get something like $22 million for his place, reagardless of what it was worth.
Yuck. I'll take the NY version, a much lower price to pay my real estate porn
|by Anonymous||reply 9||12/16/2011|
I couldn't get over the Asian dude in LA last night shelling out 300K just to stage the house. I have to say it did look exquisite afterward, but c'mon.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||12/16/2011|
All I know is that I want to service that CORE Daddy in his suit at his desk. WOOF!
|by Anonymous||reply 11||12/16/2011|
I never made the connection R6, but yes, especially the blonde one.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||12/16/2011|
[quote]I love the Kleiers. Especially the dark haired one and the Kennedy-era way she appears and comports herself.
Also think it's hilarious as all three ladies walk side by side down the street with their handbags in their inner elbow and the arm standing straight up. Watch next time.
[quote]I couldn't get over the Asian dude in LA last night shelling out 300K just to stage the house. I have to say it did look exquisite afterward, but c'mon.
And you know it all cost about $50,000 and the stager pocketed the rest as a fee.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||12/16/2011|
"Also think it's hilarious as all three ladies walk side by side down the street with their handbags in their inner elbow and the arm standing straight up. Watch next time."
Did they start out at PanAm?
|by Anonymous||reply 15||12/16/2011|
The Kleir daughters know that they'll look exactly like their still trying to look young mother when they get older. That's their future.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||12/16/2011|
[quote]Also think it's hilarious as all three ladies walk side by side down the street with their handbags in their inner elbow and the arm standing straight up. Watch next time.
It's called the crook of the arm. And anyone who's anyone knows that is the proper way to carry a Birken, which mama Kleier has at least three.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||12/16/2011|
Most male NY real estate agents are very well hung, at least the upper tier ones. That's how they get to where they are. I've owned many properties and I know from experience. The LA ones are all bottoms.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||12/16/2011|
Wait r18, how prevalent is this? Do male agents really have to put out ass and dick to get to the upper tier/big money real estate?
|by Anonymous||reply 19||12/17/2011|
Absolutely true. Never met a top NY agent who didn't have a thick monster cock swinging around in his auit pants (they rarely wear underwear to show it off).
|by Anonymous||reply 20||12/18/2011|
Those Klier (sp?) women look like the shrunken apple-head dolls old ladies used to have on their kitchen windowsills back in the 80s.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||12/18/2011|
Which guys on Selling NY/Selling LA are sexing it up to get the close?
And when is Keller Williams agent, Michael Bergin going to make an apperance?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||12/18/2011|
I prefer the LA version. The houses are more interesting. And I'm getting tired of those three women on the New York one - the Kliers. It was amusing watching Shirley MacLaine's daughter, Sachi Parker, "bonding" with another realtor (a different lady, not one of the Kliers) - but mostly the NY agents are ugly and obnoxious.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||12/18/2011|
[quote]The Kleir daughters know that they'll look exactly like their still trying to look young mother when they get older. That's their future.
And their curse.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||12/18/2011|
The pretentiousness of the NY show is ridiculous. The superficiality of the LA show is annoying.
If I had to choose however, it's LA. For $4 mil., you can get a beautiful home, with pool, and gardens, in a fabulous location. In NY, all they do is keep telling people their expectations are too high, for only paying that price. 'It's Manhattan' , blah,blah,blah. Shut the F up, you botoxed, old hags (men & women), and pull your shrunken heads out of your asses. To live crowded around each other, on stinky streets, with tiny kitchens, and no patio space, is hell. I'll take the weather, and space, of LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||12/19/2011|
So maybe Million Dollar Listing New York will have the dudes putting out lol?
|by Anonymous||reply 26||12/20/2011|
Selling NY Klier women = Worst skin on EARTH! Definitely should not be watched in HDTV
Selling LA realtors = Prostitutes. Seriously, they all look like complete prostitutes.
That said, I find myself enjoying NY more which is weird because in reality I can't stand NY or New Yorkers. The show is just more interesting, I love laughing at the prices and some of the designs are cool & interesting. Why people would pay all that money to live in a place that snows is beyond me. Never in a million years. Not only do you get way better weather in LA, the home prices are 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of NYC! No brainer.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||12/20/2011|
How many seasons will these shows be on?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||12/25/2011|
What happened to the Kleiers 995 Fifth Avenue (the one she taught Regis how to sell) and Brooklyn Clock Tower listings?
Did they both sell?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||01/27/2012|
I cannot stand the Kleirs, and now they're in every episode. The cow daughters aren't even amusing like their cow but funny mother.
I prefer LA, where the agents are almost all good looking. The only good looking one on the NY show is Shaun Osher, and he's old.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||01/27/2012|
New Yorkers are repulsive. The women are obnoxious, the men, if straight, are arrogant, if gay, pretentious beyond belief.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||01/30/2012|
"The Kleir daughters know that they'll look exactly like their still trying to look young mother when they get older. That's their future."
The mother REALLY NEEDS to be in either a Topper hair piece or a flattering full wig, she clearly has obvious hair loss/thinning.
As a hair stylist, I simply don't understand how wealthy women can ignore their hair loss/thinning issues, especially with so many options out there.
That Lidia, whatever her name is, the chef and TV host, really puts me over the edge, she looks like a balding old man!
I might not be able to help anyone grow their hair back, but I can and do make many people with hair loss issues look normal again!
I have to wonder why this show's producer hasn't brought up the hair thinning to the mother. It's the first thing I'd noticed when I started watching this shown last year.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||01/30/2012|
The one Klier daughter has extremely thin hair too. (maybe both daughters do)
|by Anonymous||reply 33||01/30/2012|
R32, wearing a full wig is not comfortable.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||01/30/2012|
All three of the Kleir woman look exactly alike!
(mother and two daughters)
Sometimes I'm not sure if it is the mother in filmclip or the daughter.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||01/30/2012|
Oh I wouldn't agree with that R34.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||01/30/2012|
Love Mama Kleir. She's the best thing on the show. The daughters are worthless.
The other agents are boring and forgettable.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||01/30/2012|
That's one of the things I actually respect about the NYC agents--they look like complete shit and they don't give a fuck! Doesn't look like a single one of them has ever been touched by a surgeon's knife or a Botox needle.
Then we go to LA and see this butchered male agent looking like a freakish perpetually-surprised lion or something and all the women look like phony prostitutes who are ready to love you long time rather than help you find a house. Their acting skill lack, as well.
Stark cultural differences between the two cities when it comes to looks and aging. It's obviously easier to grow old in NYC. It's just too bad I can't stand anything else about the place.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||01/30/2012|
Most of the NY homes look the same; same old kitchens and sad boxy rooms. They throw some good homes in the mix occasionally.
And those Kleirs...I just think they all need to be bitch slapped.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||01/30/2012|
R38, the New York highly polluted air causes bad skin, wrinkles, and facial crevices.
The New Yorkers pretend not to notice the highly polluted air's bad effects on the skin.
The polluted air prematurely ages the face.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||01/30/2012|
R40 LA's air is more polluted than NYC's! But LA women (and men) pull their faces back up.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||01/30/2012|
"wearing a full wig is not comfortable."
What a load of bullocks, I work in the industry, there are so many supplemental hair options out available now, for women from all economic backgrounds, even synthetic wigs don't looks a scheap and fake as the ones from 20+ years ago!
There is absolutely no reason for woman with disposable income to be walking around looking as if they are balding. Not to mention, constantly dyeing thinning hair, to make the texture appear thicker or cover the showing scalp with the dye color, doesn't always work because dye slowly damages frail alopecian hair!
Thinning hair needs a rest from dyeing, hot appliances and all the other stuff women do to their hair, wearing a wig can actually help your bio hair.
Ever hear of a vacuum wig? It's amazing and stays on even if you participate in sports, and other activities, where you might fear a wig flying off.
Don't comment on information you have no clue about. It's like me commenting on astronomy or ancient Sumerian history!
|by Anonymous||reply 42||01/30/2012|
[quote]Ever hear of a vacuum wig?
|by Anonymous||reply 43||01/30/2012|
R41, the people of LA are not constantly walking the sidewalks and streets of a densely populated condensed area breathing in the heavy pollution spewed from the cars and trucks just feet from them on the sidewalks.
Since Manhattan is a walking city, the heavy pollution hits them in the face and lungs due to the cars and trucks spewing poison just feet away from them every day.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||01/31/2012|
R41, the concentrated polluted air of New York City ages faces in a way that cannot be corrected by a facelift or 'pulling the face' back, as you called it.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||01/31/2012|
Not to bring the room down, but the Kleiers had a son, Jonathan, who died about 3 years ago right before turning 26. Apparently, he had some sort of heart ailment and the only reason Michelle and the daughters did the show was because he had wanted them to. It is not something that is discussed on the show, but after going through a tragedy like losing a son/brother so young, it probably explains the premature hair thinning on the ladies. Yes, they are obnoxious and pushy but it's also nice to see such a close-knit family. Of course, for all the money they have, and you KNOW Michelle rules the roost, their office is cramped and the walls have scuff marks, their apartment in NY is nothing to write home about and their house on Long Island isn't even in the Hamptons. I don;t think they've ever showed the house in Connecticut or in Florida. ====== from the family blog:
As a young boy I remember you as a star athlete, the funniest and smartest and sweetest boy in the class, winning EVERY prize at field day. As a young man, I remember blasting Billy Joel with you, loving your bear hugs, helping you pick out gifts and a commitment ring for Jen, family vacations (our happiest times), and driving with Jay Z on the radio, then ipod. You picked my wedding song of course, Uptown Girl, you took care of us and fiercely protected "the family" and you spent every Sunday with us barbecuing at the beach, and cuddling up at mom and dad's in the winter.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||01/31/2012|
Okay now that I think of it, you're right. I've only been to NYC once, but I do recall returning to my hotel room after a day of walking the city and wiping my face off with a wash cloth. The thing turned BLACK. As did the boogers in my nose (gross, but true). I also remember wearing sandals one day and by the time I returned my feet had turned black. Disgusting.
That said, I've also had trouble with LA anytime I've been there for more than a couple of days (especially in the summer). My eyes would always become SEVERELY irritated and my throat would feel raw like I was breathing in caustic air. I lived in San Diego at the time, and I just remember driving home and immediately jumping in the shower to "was the LA off of me."
|by Anonymous||reply 47||01/31/2012|
HEY! HEY! we're getting off topic:
can we please get back to discussing the well hung NY real estate agents
|by Anonymous||reply 48||01/31/2012|
[quote] The mother REALLY NEEDS to be in either a Topper hair piece or a flattering full wig, she clearly has obvious hair loss/thinning.
I really can't see how a menopausal person could wear a wig. My mother can't even wear scarves in freezing weather anymore because her head becomes drenched in sweat within 2 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||01/31/2012|
[quote] Apparently, he had some sort of heart ailment
Myocarditis, which is not an easy disease to catch or die from.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||01/31/2012|
The New York show has more real (no pun intended) real estate agents and the show is better produced. It does get tiring seeing mostly high rise apartments, though.they need to go into the 'burbs once in a while and maybe sell a mansion there.
As for the La show, I can't get past the fakery of the agents, their obvious plastic surgeries and their non personalities. Even their clients seem fake and uninteresting. The houses are fun to see, but the show jumps around and I lose interest in 5 minutes.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||01/31/2012|
Myocarditis is a disease that some drug addicts contract from dirty needles or bottle caps.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||01/31/2012|
I love the Kliers and the other women agents on the NY show. I like a few of the men and even get a chuckle out of the douchie guy that takes himself so seriously.
LA just seems so fake, the agents, the clients, the homes.
The Asian guy who was staging his home showed up on a House Hunters episode looking to share a million dollar bachelor pad with his business partner. They talked about girls but the Asian kid pinged to high heaven. The partner was pretty hot though.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||01/31/2012|
Selling NY at least offers the chance of seeing the occasional nice historic property; in LA, it's Mid-Century Modern and marble McMansions out the wazoo and the few historic properties are so slicked up and made over that they may as well have been built yesterday.
The Selling LA agents and their clients all seem to be on psychotropics, or freshly returned from a spa/botox/ECT session.
To its credit, Selling NY has improved a little since its early episodes. I wish, though, that there were more properties and fewer personalities, and less time spent in planning "lavish" showing or promotional events. I could also do without Mr. & Mrs. Kleir having a glass of wine at the end of every episode.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||01/31/2012|
[quote]The Asian guy who was staging his home showed up on a House Hunters episode looking to share a million dollar bachelor pad with his business partner. They talked about girls but the Asian kid pinged to high heaven. The partner was pretty hot though.
He's been featured on not one but two House Hunters episodes: in LA and in Chicago, always fretting about being in the absolute thick of "what's hot, what's happening." The guy is repulsive, and has horrible flashy taste.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||01/31/2012|
R53 Which Asian guy? What show was he staging his home on? I think I know who you're talking about...he's a 30ish Vietnamese guy who started his own company (in Vegas, I believe) and has been on House Hunters not once but twice. I saw one episode where he bought a house in Hollywood and another where he was with a "partner" in Chicago. Both times he had his decorator come in and entirely redo the place. I'm just confused because I record both Selling LA and Selling NY and I've not seen him on either of these shows?
|by Anonymous||reply 56||01/31/2012|
The Esquire tie in was interesting but just sort of ridiculous. (The DIY channel had a nice behind the scenes special) Nice commercial for Mrs. Klier's clock tower listing but the Esquire guy bragged that the charity had raised 8 million dollars over the years. How many years? Spending a million each year to stage a party at a 23 million dollar property? Really?
The architecture in both shows is what I watch for.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||01/31/2012|
I prefer Million Dollar Listing. It is more real and has a gay anesthetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||01/31/2012|
It is more real and has a gay anesthetic.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||01/31/2012|
OMG just saw the LA show for the first time this week. My partner came in and saw the realtor (something Bailey who had golf balls implanted in his cheeks) and said "Is that guy wearing a mask?".... The customer, a wiseguy who just HAD to have separate bathrooms for him and his wife, was berating the realtor and the realtor's face couldn't even register dismay..just surprise!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||03/02/2012|
R60 I saw that guy on another Selling LA and he was sitting at a table talking to the older blond realtor. I noticed she had the same "surprised" look on her face. It was truly bazaar to see them together. They looked like plastic twins.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||03/02/2012|
I only like the Selling NY episodes that feature the Klier coven. Those gals are hilarious, especially Mama Klier.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||03/02/2012|
That same episode R60 references had this extremely annoying spoiled child actress looking for a $5 million dollar house to move in while she pursued her career.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||03/02/2012|
Last night Selling NY episode had the Kliers trying to sell a horrible glass one bedroom townhouse for $5million. The selling point was the screening room in the basement. They decided to have a "children's" party with candy and cupcakes and a movie so the kids would convince the parents to buy the place. Of course at the end of the show the house was still not sold.
How come they just don't have plain old open houses instead of all these weird parties?
|by Anonymous||reply 64||03/02/2012|
[quote] How come they just don't have plain old open houses instead of all these weird parties?
I think I dvr'd this one. Sounds weird.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||03/02/2012|
The parties are likely just put on for the sake of television. And did anyone else notice that huge gaudy, desperate Chanel bracelet the brunette Klier child was wearing at the end of last night's episode? How completely fucking tacky.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||03/02/2012|
Are most of the LA realtors failed actors?
|by Anonymous||reply 67||03/02/2012|
Anyone notice that nothing ever seems to actually SELL on Selling NY? The blurbs at the end of the show are always 'still looking' or 'still on the market'. The episode a few weeks ago with that prince from The Bachelor was absurd. I don't think he actually has any money and could never afford any of those houses on the Gold Coast.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||03/02/2012|
Last nights Selling LA was a freak fest. The plastic surgery of the two sellers was beyond atrocious.
The buyer, some designer name Lloyd, facework was just as horrendous. Awful.
They finally showed some fine LA homes.
|by Anonymous||reply 69||03/02/2012|
All of the agents I've dealt with in NYC are complete idiots. They don't know anything. Lots of almost senile women; and the 20-something women with high-lighted hair, Valley Girl upspeak and Louis Vuitton bags are the worst. The men are almost always gay and as stupid as the womyn. It only takes something like 3 weeks to get your license. Easier than getting a certificate in mixology.
Wasn't Mama Klier a social worker before she fell into "Selling New York"?
|by Anonymous||reply 70||03/02/2012|
Where's the "oh dear" for R59? You mean asthetic dear; anesthetic is what we get at the doctor's office.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||03/02/2012|
Where is the "oh dear" for R61? Bazaar is a place to shop.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||03/02/2012|
And no one has even mentioned the dim bulb himbo agent on Selling LA last night who said "expresso" and could barely keep from rolling his eyes at the whacked-out designer.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||03/02/2012|
I guess I'm showing my age but when Valerie Fitzgerald's daughter (Selling LA) showed a property last week in a dress that was as short as a Babydoll top i dropped my uppers. If I'm buying a $10 million home I want an agent I can relate to...not some ex stripper.
I so agree that Selling NYC is a much better show & they actually have sales, unlike LA.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||03/02/2012|
Last night on Selling LA there was some designer by the name of Lloyd Klein. I'd never heard of him so Googled him only to find he used to "date" WILDENSTEIN, The Cat Woman. He must've been fucking her for her $$$$ is all I can say.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||03/02/2012|
Mamma Kleir is great & knows her business, but it's time to retire those little sun dresses, with the cutesy shrugs, & cover up those cubby little legs while she's at it.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||03/02/2012|
No, the LA agents don't look worse than the Kleirers. The LA agents are just so self involved it's all about how they look on camera. Makes you wonder if they're showcasing the properties or themselves, knowing damn well they all have SAG cards. There's one particular gay agent with a penchant for vintage autos who has eyebrows i'd be happy to have. I just know he'll never go on cam until he's freshly plucked.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||03/02/2012|
On Selling NY, there is a hot--dare we say masculine--male agent (or is he CEO) named Shawn Oster, who is HOT. And yet there seems to be a lovefest for the Kleier trio so that we rarely see Oster in action. What gives?
|by Anonymous||reply 78||03/02/2012|
[quote] Last night on Selling LA there was some designer by the name of Lloyd Klein.
Who couldn't keep his hands off the "dim-bulb himbo" referred to in R73. That Mediterranean property they showed him was my ideal. I loved the green scarf the female agent wore in the end to try to convince him she was "Parisian" and knew how to work a scarf. She really did look glorious in it.
[quote] I guess I'm showing my age but when Valerie Fitzgerald's daughter (Selling LA) showed a property last week in a dress that was as short as a Babydoll top i dropped my uppers.
Her name is Vanessa and from what I've seen she's showing a pattern of going on at least one "date" with a buyer to try to make a sale. I'm thinking of the time she went to Las Vegas with some guy. I think that's her M.O. for making sales. She doesn't look anything like her Mama. Not good, not bad, just saying.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||03/02/2012|
That was hilarious thinking a candy party for kids would attract a buyer!
|by Anonymous||reply 80||03/05/2012|
R80 Oh, but kids beg their parents for things! ::eye roll::
|by Anonymous||reply 81||03/05/2012|
Is having bad plastic surgery a requirement to being a realtor in either of these cities? More so than a license?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||03/05/2012|
R80, that one Klier chick is AALLLLLLL about her kids, so that ridiculous idea coming from her was not in the least surprising. There was an earlier episode this season where she was trying to sell her own place to make room for a new baby. Her husband, who had quite different views from her on child rearing, could not get a word in edgewise. I got the impression the husband could walk anytime and not look back. She must feel like she missed out on a lot of her childhood since she is so determined to relive it through her kids. And I can't imagine what insufferable monsters those kids must be.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||03/05/2012|
I wanna give the Klier ladies laser skin resurfacing REEEEEEAL bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||03/09/2012|
So who is gay on these shows?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||04/04/2012|
Does anyone know what's going on with CORE? They've had a ton of defections including Kirk Rundhuag who was like a SVP.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||04/07/2012|
I'd also love for Emily Beare's listing at 15 CPW to make an appearance.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||04/08/2012|
Selling New York is so phony to me! How do you have commentary in a reality show?? And they should definitely point out the time in between they make that commission on selling a home or apartment. They have us all mesmerized by thinking that they are making all of this money in short periods of time, but how long between EACH sale??
|by Anonymous||reply 89||04/12/2012|
i watch both shows and it seems that neither of them sell anything.....and the "prince" on the NYC show looking at 20 million dollar "weekend" houses on long island when he is single ....was pretty pathetic.....and the very nelly male agent on nyc who i though was gay for most of the season till he said "my wife and son" .....he is really OCD and flamboyent.....i just think the shows are fun to watch cause so many of those people are sooooo unrealistic ...
|by Anonymous||reply 90||05/03/2012|
The Kleirs look just like the Olsen twins. I think the mom is really the olson twins grandma.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||06/14/2012|
Selling NY is boring as shit... I like some of the agents but seriously.. Selling NY is a retarted
|by Anonymous||reply 92||11/06/2012|
You New Yorkers are so biased. I am from neither but Selling LA is so much more bright, beautiful, and the houses are actually...houses (not tiny boxes right about a convenience store). The neighborhoods and houses look vastly different, while Selling NY's "apartments" all look similar from the inside. They are always selling views of buildings and very few trees, while LA showcases mountains, beaches, etc. Selling LA, simply put, is much better!
|by Anonymous||reply 93||01/24/2013|