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Marvel vs DC (Part IV)

Like to hear it, here it go...

Still haven't read any of the DCnU books yet. I've collected a few and am waiting til I get about 5 or 6 issues in before I decide to commit.

by Anonymousreply 60005/14/2013

Batwoman is 100% unambiguously worth it. Depending on how much you liked classic Vertigo series, Animal Man and Swamp Thing might be worth it. I can only speak personally to Justice League Dark, and I'm still not quite sure about it, although I did like the second issue quite a lot.

I still can't decide if I think Hawkman or Hawk & Dove are going to be the first casualties.

by Anonymousreply 111/10/2011

I never got the deal with Hawkman. For the past 8 years that I've been reading DC, I never got the love for the Hawks. Really lame stories told over and over ad nauseum. They don't even have decent villians.

by Anonymousreply 211/10/2011

At the time, they were kind of unique, being a husband and wife team of superheroes. That's obviously changed these days, but for the Silver Age Hawks, it was different.

Plus, their backstory has been so messed up since the original Crisis, I think some of it is sympathy.

Also, the Justice League Unlimited Hawkgirl was awesome.

by Anonymousreply 311/10/2011

I didn't want to say this in the other thread when it was so close to being full, but all things considered, Fear Itself and Spider-Island ended up being exactly the opposite of what I expected.

I was really hoping for a big, world-shaking event in Fear Itself, because that was certainly the way it was built up. I mean, I know Bucky and Thor died, but we know they'll both be back, and I did really, REALLY like the tie-ins in New Avengers and Avengers Academy, but overall, the series was just so "meh."

OTOH, I thought Spider-Island was going to be much ado about nothing, because I've always found Dan Slott's writing to be a little uneven, and it turned out to be a pretty wonderful, fun event, where the entire story actually happened in the main book, and the tie-ins weren't dependent on it.

by Anonymousreply 411/10/2011

Sorry to bring this over from Part III, but jeez, R595, what's got your twat in a bunch? (was that insult sexist enough for you?)

I simply expressed that I liked the new WW and liked this new iteration of WW's amazon sisters and, to me, having WW be a efficient warrior from a warrior culture makes more sense than the peaceful ambassador. I adore Rucka's run, but I'm liking the new series so far.

I'd argue that portraying the women of Themyscara as intrinsically enlightened and peaceful is just as sexist as making them warrior bitches. Either way, I trust Azarello to treat them as characters, not just ideas.

by Anonymousreply 511/10/2011

[quote]makes more sense than the peaceful ambassador

Who spreads her message of peace to Man's World by going around and beating people up.

by Anonymousreply 611/11/2011

I miss the Diana Prince persona.

by Anonymousreply 711/11/2011

In the previews for New Avengers #19, apparently the New Avengers are going to run afoul of Occupy Wall Street.

They must have put that one together in record time.

by Anonymousreply 811/13/2011

Frank Miller now has some great wanking material to look forward to.

by Anonymousreply 911/13/2011

Just finished Snyder's run on Detective Comics before the reboot. Really liked it. Much better than all that hogwash Morrison was doing with Batman.

by Anonymousreply 1011/14/2011

What do you "Thor" readers think about this new, boorish Tanarus replacement while the real Thunderer is "elsewhere"? I love how the Triad of Women in charge of Asgard think he's a douchebag, but "necessary" in the scheme of things.

by Anonymousreply 1111/14/2011

It appears that once the current arc, "Hydrology" wraps in Batwoman #5, Jim Williams won't be doing the art any more, thus removing at least 75% of the book's appeal.

by Anonymousreply 1211/15/2011

Oh, but Amy Reeder is supposed to take over art chores for just a few issues, no? Love her art. Very crisp and clean, and I think a nice cleanser to JHW's designs.

by Anonymousreply 1311/15/2011

Any comments/rumors/gossip about the creation of the Dark Phoenix Saga, or even about the subsequent Jean Grey/Phoenix stuff that has been done(whether loved or hated)?

by Anonymousreply 1411/20/2011

This has been making the rounds for a week or so:

A very sad story about how Bill Mantlo has been living since his accident.

by Anonymousreply 1511/21/2011

Thank you for sharing that, VOTN. What a sad, horrifying story.

by Anonymousreply 1611/21/2011

bump

by Anonymousreply 1711/22/2011

SyFy has commissioned a script for a Booster Gold pilot.

by Anonymousreply 1811/22/2011

Please don't let them fuck up by trying to shoehorn Jaime Reyes into the BG show!

by Anonymousreply 1911/22/2011

Here's a preview of next week's Teen Titans with the new gay.

I think I'm actually more horrified by it than I was expecting. But I can't tell if I'm experiencing some kind of homophobia, or if it's really offensive.

by Anonymousreply 2011/22/2011

Ugh! Earrings.

Where's Bunker's caftan?

by Anonymousreply 2111/23/2011

Grow up. All of you.

by Anonymousreply 2211/23/2011

That is one godawful costume on that kid. Are we sure he's gay?

by Anonymousreply 2311/23/2011

Yes. Scott Lobdell has said, among other things, that they took inspiration from him from Kurt from Glee.

It's not even the costume that set my teeth on edge, it's the dialog.

Probably means I don't want to have a nostalgia-fueled re-reading of Generation X anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 2411/23/2011

I read the first two issues of the new Teen Titans, thinking I'd want to follow the gay storyline. But they were so bad, I'm throwing in the towel. And you're right, the dialog is atrocious.

by Anonymousreply 2511/23/2011

I gave up on Teen Titans a few years back when they just had to fucking add Jaime Reyes to it and shove him down our throats even further.

by Anonymousreply 2611/23/2011

As a gay and a latino I'm embarrassed by that book. And that artwork. It's so 90's!

by Anonymousreply 2711/23/2011

And speaking about series to follow for the gay character, I'm going to start reading iZombie from Vertigo. Apparently the Were-Terrier guy following Grew around in the first few issues (I only read the first few) has come out as gay.

by Anonymousreply 2811/23/2011

And on the flip side of the coin, Marvel continues to impress me with their commitment to make the MU move diverse without it screaming (HEY! LOOK! We're diverse!) with perhaps the exception of Ultimate Spider-Man (who, FWIW, I like, Axel Alonso just dropped the bombshell that Striker from Avengers Academy is about to come out.

I was sort of home it would be Reptil, but still, this makes me happy.

by Anonymousreply 2911/23/2011

"I'd argue that portraying the women of Themyscara as intrinsically enlightened and peaceful is just as sexist as making them warrior bitches. Either way, I trust Azarello to treat them as characters, not just ideas."

You're a moron, R5. You can't seem to understand what a stereotype is. Portraying powerful women as man-hating bitches is completely sexist. Portraying powerful as enlightened and peaceful is not. If you can't understand that, you're brainless.

The new book is chock full of predictable, simplistic stereotypes.

by Anonymousreply 3011/23/2011

Wait, R30...are you a crazy-ass Amazon? Only reason I could think of why you're such an asshole about this.

by Anonymousreply 3111/24/2011

R31...eat me. I'm a long-time Wonder Woman fan who always loved the creativity and feminism behind the character.

by Anonymousreply 3211/24/2011

They have actually toned down some of Bunker's appearance since they previewed him. The blue Hawaiian shirt he wears in his civilian guise was originally pink, and, to give Lobdell and Booth a small amount of credit, they realized that was probably not the best choice for them.

I just wish someone else could be writing the dialog, because I've read complaints about it on more than one comic site.

I get DC trying to try new things, and even when I don't always like them, I still appreciate it, but I really want to see if Avengers Academy can handle it any better.

Also, could Justice League Dark's story be moving ANY slower?

Also, I wish DC would give us a firm reading on whether or not Renee Montoya is dead. Making her The Question was one of my favorite things DC did in years.

by Anonymousreply 3311/26/2011

Bill Willingham on "Fables" vs "Once Upon A Time."

He shocks the interviewer by stating forthrightly that he doesn't think the producers of "Once" ripped him off any more than any storyteller is inspired by other stories. And he states that, though there are things he would have done differently if he was producing it, he likes the show.

by Anonymousreply 3412/04/2011

And Christos Gage talks about Striker coming out in Avengers Academy and hints at a future relationship between Runaways' Karolina and Julie Power, which is something that BKV hinted at years ago in Runaways.

I also had no idea he and his wife had written for SVU.

by Anonymousreply 3512/04/2011

Interesting. I certainly agree with Willingham's take –- I read lots of "fairy tale characters in the real world" stories before Fables came along. But it's somewhat unusual for an author to be so magnanimous. Makes me like him all the more.

By the way, I love Fables. It's been my favorite comic of the last decade. Once Upon a Time, I'm pretty lukewarm about -- some things I like, some things not so much ... starting with the unfortunate casting of the lead actress. Still, it has potential and I'm glad there's a family-oriented show available on early Sunday night. I bet I would have loved it as a kid.

by Anonymousreply 3612/04/2011

I agree, he comes off very well in the interview.

It reminded me of a comment that Neil Gaiman made when people were accusing JK Rowling of having ripped Harry Potter from Gaiman's series "The Books of Magic," and he said he hadn't thought of that, because as far as he knew, they were both copying "The Once and Future King."

by Anonymousreply 3712/04/2011

Apropos of absolutely nothing we've been talking about, I somehow wandered onto Jim Shooter's blog this afternoon, and I've been absolutely spell-bound by some of his stories, especially the ones about the state Marvel was in when he first took over as editor-in-chief in the late 70s.

I particularly recommend the four-part post about corruptions large and small. In the linked post, he mentions that when he started doing conventions, people complained about paying for subscriptions they never received, and then he discovered, almost by accident, that the Marvel receptionist was going through the envelopes and stealing the cash out of them.

There's also an amusing anecdote about Marvel's version of Live Aid, where they published a charity comic and Oxfam didn't want to take the money from it, saying that it was racist and sexist, except that when they got their first six-figure donation, they suddenly changed their minds.

by Anonymousreply 3812/04/2011

Ladies and Gentlemen, your Marvel Event of 2012....

A Vs. X

by Anonymousreply 3912/06/2011

When does "Avengers Academy" #23 hit the newsstands and comic stores. This is a very interesting book and it manages to combine the spirit of the early 1980's "New Mutants" and "Teen Titans", without the forced gravitas. I'm happy the picked Striker to come out, since he reminds of a less hair-trigger Hellion. I'm also pleased that they are *finally* outing Julie Power as bi/lesbian. She's been a very interesting character for nearly thirty years and it's cool that they are finally showing as a mature, sexually active adult, rather than just a high achieving teenaged girl.

by Anonymousreply 4012/06/2011

Next week.

by Anonymousreply 4112/06/2011

Any suggestions for which comic books would be interesting for a 6 year old boy? I would like to get him more interested in reading, this may be a great way.

by Anonymousreply 4212/06/2011

Oh, goody.

[quote]Brevoort wrapped the news portion of the conference by noting that the event would not crossover into every Marvel Universe title, but it would cross into all the Avengers and X-Men books with one exception. "The one book that's not going to be touched by this, and it's a very deliberate choice on our part, is the new 'Avengers Assembled' title," he said, noting how that series is being made specifically for fans from the movies to read without any other tie-ins. "If you're talking about 'Uncanny X-Men' or 'Secret Avengers' or 'New Avengers' or 'Wolverine & The X-Men'...it's going to be all 'AvX' all the time in the Avengers and X-Men books."

OTOH, the first issue of Defenders was a LOT of fun.

by Anonymousreply 4312/07/2011

Just a reminder that as far as X-Men comics are concerned, wake me up when Jean Grey is back. The X-Men are sooo tired right now.

by Anonymousreply 4412/07/2011

Although Marvel Ohio is a cute town, I really do prefer DC, there is just so much more to do there.

by Anonymousreply 4512/07/2011

Looking at DC's sales.

Blue Beetle is described as "another one of the bigger drops."

I wonder if DiDio is pissed and trying to figure out yet another way to shove Jaime down our throats?

by Anonymousreply 4612/07/2011

Despite the sales numbers, it seems like there have been a lot of announcements of creative teams being split up after the first six issues, or in some cases, even less than that.

That doesn't seem like DC is totally happy with how things are going.

by Anonymousreply 4712/08/2011

Seems like there is a lot of editorial meddling which is pushing people off books. Gail said it was an editorial thing, and Paul Cornell leaving Stormwatch was because the books apparently is going be hijacked to explain the mysterious purple woman.

by Anonymousreply 4812/09/2011

DL DC fans, I need your advice.

Looking to buy a Batman graphic novel or two for my 11-year-old nephew's Christmas present. He's into superheroes, especially loves Batman.

I'm not up on the graphic novel scene anymore. So, what Batman graphic novels can you suggest that would be appropriate for an 11 year old?

Many thanks.

by Anonymousreply 4912/12/2011

Cornell is leaving Stormwatch? That's horrible news.

by Anonymousreply 5012/12/2011

A lot of the Batman stuff is pretty dark, R49, so it kind of depends on how sophisticated/jaded your nephew is. I'm partial to The Long Halloween and The Killing Joke. But when I was 11 years old myself, I loved the Steve Englehart/Marshall Rogers run on the series, collected in the GN Batman: Strange Apparitions. Here's a good rundown on the most significant Batman GNs:

by Anonymousreply 5112/12/2011

I've been trying to think of a Batman story from the last ten years that I would consider kid-friendly, but I think I'm clutching my pearls too tightly to give a good answer.

They announced Marjorie Liu is taking over Astonishing X-Men. This may be the gayest X-book they've had for a while, because she's got both Karma and Northstar on the team.

by Anonymousreply 5212/12/2011

[quote]I'm not up on the graphic novel scene anymore. So, what Batman graphic novels can you suggest that would be appropriate for an 11 year old?

HUSH

by Anonymousreply 5312/12/2011

If The Avengers have The Hulk, it should be a pretty short fight.

by Anonymousreply 5412/12/2011

I started reading comics when I was about 10/11, which was about the time X-Men: Inferno was wrapping up, which was all about demons and mailboxes eating people. I think an 11 year old could handle Batman: Hush or Batman: Long Halloween. Between the two i'd go for Hush.

How about Under The Red Hood? Haven't read it but I've heard good things.

All of Grant Morrison's Batman...dunno if that's the best introduction Batman. It's all little too out there and dependent on long forgotten silver-age weirdness, and all wrapped up in Final Crisis.

by Anonymousreply 5512/12/2011

Hush is good because it showcases all of Batman's top villains.

by Anonymousreply 5612/16/2011

[quote]Any suggestions for which comic books would be interesting for a 6 year old boy?

Cherry Poptart comics

by Anonymousreply 5712/16/2011

I loved "Avengers 23". Christos Gage took a lot of risk with combining Striker's coming out alongside what he alleges happened to him in his past. I liked Julie's twin tactics of pulling him out of his shell and comforting him at the same time. It will be cool to see how the rest of the team handles this "ambiguously gay duo". I also loved Hazmat's reaction to X-23's offer of assistance to Mettle. It will be fun to see those two dangerous bitches go after each other over a man like "normal" high school kids.

The latest "Journey Into Mystery" was hilarious and well done. A great twist on traditional Christmas themes. After all these years as a part of the Asgardian cast of characters, who even knew Garm's real gender?

by Anonymousreply 5812/16/2011

How many issues of Avengers: Children Crusade have come out?

by Anonymousreply 5912/17/2011

Willingham is a right-wing nutcase, so I wouldn't feel quite so lovey-dovey about him, folks. DC paid him money to go away, when it came to the series. My guess is that the network wanted the concept, but wanted to be disassociated from Willinham's nutjob politics. Particularly since the whole book is supposed to be a pro-Israel, anti-Islamic tract, with his nutty anti-abortion views thrown in for good measure.

by Anonymousreply 6012/17/2011

Seven, I think. The next one comes out the week between Christmas and New Years.

They held off on it, not because Allan Heinberg hadn't turned the scripts in, but because they're using it to dovetail into Avengers Vs X-Men.

by Anonymousreply 6112/17/2011

Hmmm, Justice League Dark is a week late. I wonder why.

It looks like Grant Morrison's much ballyhooed Multiversity may be DOA. I'm not surprised, because I haven't heard any talk about it in months, but ComicBookResources has it on its list of notoriously missing comics.

I'd honestly forgotten about All-Star Wonder Woman and All-Star Batgirl.

I imagine DC would just like to forget All-Star Batman all together.

by Anonymousreply 6212/23/2011

Now this is just fucking crazy... A father explains why Jaime Reyes will last forever:

"My four-and-a-half-year-old son has been watching Batman: Brave and the Bold quasi-religiously with me as one of our father-son bonding rituals. He loves Jaime and this version of Blue Beetle. He pretends to be Blue Beetle and makes me call him Jaime. He's probably watched Rise of the Blue Beetle a few dozen times. He says the dialogue along with the characters.

To him, this is his Blue Beetle. He doesn't know from Ted Kord, other than his appearance in a few of my comics from when I was a kid. He's never heard of Dan Garret(t) under any circumstances.

For every father-child pair like us, there are probably thousands and thousands more. "Kids and their dads" were cited as the target demographic in the last episode.

Now, here's what I love about this.

One, my son loves comics and so do I. We totally bond over this. Knowing he's happy and loves to pretend to be these characters makes me happy.

Two, I love that my four-year-old son is seeing a latino hero. The only latinos I ever saw on TV when I was a kid were criminals, running drugs on shows like The A-Team .

Three, I appreciate that DC has made a few kid-friendly heroes. I certainly am not on the "all comics have to be for kids" bandwagon at all. But I'm also most certainly not on the " no comics should be for kids anymore" bandwagon.

The term "fanboy" gets tossed around as a pejorative quite a lot, but is murkily defined. I think one working definition I have is a guy who seems to think that comics are made for him and only him. Anything he doesn't like shouldn't exist. Anything not tailored to him shouldn't exist.

Already by pointing out that my four-year-old son loves Jaime, I anticipate the inevitable ridicule: well, of course . Jaime's a character for four-year-olds. And that's the problem.

Is it? A problem, that is? That a comics company took a C-list character few people cared about--- sorry, but it's true, and, by the way, as a Firestorm die-hard fan it's not like I don't understand being in a tiny minority fandom--- and turned it into a character that kids can relate to. Yes, kids. Those second-class citizens who damn well better start getting interested in comics if we grown-ups who grew up with comics want there to be comics still around when they are grown-ups and have their kids.

I'm sorry for the loss of Ted. A few weeks ago I wrote a piece about sympathizing with people who actually feel a sense of loss over abandoned characters. And I do feel that. I truly do. They killed off my favorite character ever, and who knows if he's really coming back or not.

But tonight, playing with my four-year-old son, he insisted that I call him "Jaime" because he was pretending to be Blue Beetle. Not Blue Beetle III. Just Blue Beetle, a character he has only ever known as Jaime Reyes. And I love that. I love the playfulness with which he embraces these characters, and I love that he loves spending time with me pretending. He's learning to read very quickly because he wants to read my comics. I've had to do a conscientious job now of making sure certain titles he doesn't see (anything by Frank Miller comes immediately to mind). That's a good problem to have.

When we first found out we were having a boy, I was scared, because I'm not the macho toss-around-the-football-in-the-backyard kind of guy. I wondered if I could really do 'guy things' with a son. Well, we've certainly bonded over this. And if I'm just a random statistical sample, there has to be more dad-kids combinations out there who have really enjoyed this version of the character too.

Sometimes there's a greater good than the immortality of your one favorite character. In this case, I think there are several."

by Anonymousreply 6312/24/2011

My husband got me an iPad for Christmas, and after looking over the way the comics apps look (even lacking the Retina Display), I think I can safely say once Marvel goes same-day digital in the spring, I won't be buying physical comics anymore.

by Anonymousreply 6412/24/2011

Okay, I officially don't understand Justice League Dark AT ALL.

by Anonymousreply 6512/28/2011

Juan Bobillo's art in Future Foundation #13 may be the ugliest I've ever seen in a mainstream comic book. I've been enjoying this book, but I don't think I can continue if he remains the artist.

by Anonymousreply 6601/04/2012

I don't think I'm going to be sticking around for Stormwatch once Paul Cornell's last issue hits stands.

by Anonymousreply 6701/05/2012

"I don't think I'm going to be sticking around for Stormwatch once Paul Cornell's last issue hits stands"

The latest Stormwatch was the best yet. Midnighter reveals his face to Apollo and says that they have to stick together since they have a lot in common and that the public may not accept "what they are". It was a very good depiction of gay men making a unit "against the world".

"Animal Man" continues to be the darkest "mainstream" comic out today, reminiscent of the old 90's "Enigma" series in the Vertigo line. It is so grim and awesome, I hope Warner/DC doesn't try and alter in any way, or shift it to Vertigo if they have any issues with it.

Marvel seems a bit underwhelming in comparison, but "Journey Into Mystery" is their best comic out now. It's amazing how creepy and retro it is with guest stars like Son Of Satan and Mephisto. "Avengers Academy" and "Alpha Flight" continue to shine with good gay characters. Striker's coming out was very well handled and Aurora's revelation to be a *nasty* fundie homophobe was a *great* dig at the rightward shift of Canadian and US politics over the last decade. I can't wait to see how it turns out. I think the Northstar/Aurora rift may be a permanent one this time.

by Anonymousreply 6801/05/2012

Personally, I'm enjoying the hell out of Defenders, but that's me.

by Anonymousreply 6901/05/2012

COMICS: Six DC Comics Canceled But Six New Titles Are Planned To Keep The Magic 52 Number

Six New DC Titles -Batman Incorporated: Grant Morrison picks up where Batman Inc. left off.

-Earth 2: James Robinson revives The Justice Society

-Dial H for Hero: Writer China Miéville on Dial H, "The whole point of Dial is that the roster of capes is changing every single month, often two or three times. In the original run, he's turning into a giant spring coil to foil bank robbers, and I'm like, OK, what if you are a 25-year-old guy and you turn into a superpowered spring coil? That's going to mess with your head."

-G.I. Combat: Per USA Today, " The new series features the return of elements from the classic 1960s book The War That Time Forgot in a main story by writer J.T. Krul and artist Ariel Olivetti, with rotating backup stories featuring old standbys such as The Unknown Soldier by writers Justin Gray and Jimmy Palmiotti and artist Dan Panosian as well as The Haunted Tank by Hellboy scribe John Arcudi and artist Scott Kolins."

-The Ravagers: Per USA Today, "The Ravagers spins out of the world created by Scott Lobdell in the pages of Teen Titans and Superboy, with a quartet of meta-human teens on the run from the nefarious organization N.O.W.H.E.R.E."

-Worlds' Finest: Writer Paul Levitz and artist George Perez follow Earth-2 Power Girl and Huntress, who are stranded in our world and hope to return to Earth-2.

And let's give a found farewell to some of the following titles, who will all be wrapping up in Issue #8 of their respective series.

Six Canceled DC Titles -Men of War -Mister Terrific -O.M.A.C. -Hawk and Dove -Blackhawks -Static Shock

by Anonymousreply 7001/12/2012

[quote]Six Canceled DC Titles -Men of War -Mister Terrific -O.M.A.C. -Hawk and Dove -Blackhawks -Static Shock

I can't believe they're keeping Savage Hawkman.

Although I guess I was right about Hawk and Dove. And now for all their diversity, they've lost two of the three (the other being Batwing) with lead African-American characters.

Also, let this be a lesson: This isn't the 90s, no one cares about Rob Liefeld.

In this month's X-Factor lettercol, someone was giving Peter David grief Rictor being gay because he'd had relationships with women, and PAD basically said "There are gay men in the world who have had relationships with women, but eventually figured out that they were really gay. Deal."

by Anonymousreply 7101/12/2012

They really should have cancelled that Blue Beetle shit, too.

by Anonymousreply 7201/12/2012

According to the December 2011 sales numbers, Blue Beetle is selling just slightly above the high-selling book that they did cancel, which was Hawk & Dove, so unless it gets a boost, it probably won't be long for the world.

Depending on where their break-even point is, I, Vampire, Resurrection Man, Voodoo, and Grifter are probably also on the bubble.

by Anonymousreply 7301/12/2012

So the current Huntress mini base don Earth 2? Or do they deal with the fact that she's on our earth, which is not her own?

Man, can you imagine if Palmiotti, Gray & Conner were on this World's Finest title? I'd buy that in a minute.

by Anonymousreply 7401/12/2012

[quote]-Earth 2: James Robinson revives The Justice Society

With Nicola Scott doing the art. That's almost interesting enough to get me to read, unless this is still Robinson in his "Cry for Justice" rut.

by Anonymousreply 7501/13/2012

After Rob Liefeld stank up Hawk & Dove, he's now being moved to Deathstroke, Savage Hawkman, and Grifter. Seriously?

Also, DC is changing its logo, and it's *really ugly*.

by Anonymousreply 7601/14/2012

Let's hope DC doesn't cancel "Shade", "Justice League Dark" and *especially* "Animal Man", since they are the most interesting of the new crop. "Animal Man" in particular is the darkest mainstream comic I've come across in years.

Over on Marvel's side, "X Factor" continues to shine. I loved the team arguing amongst themselves and the fate of Jamie is very creepy. "Journey Into Mystery" continues to be the best book out now at marvel. How they manage to depict elder gods, demonic possession, rabid hell hounds and the twilight of the gods with such whimsy and joy *is* a "marvel" to behold.

by Anonymousreply 7701/14/2012

I wouldn't worry too much about JLDark or Animal Man. Both are Top 50 books, and are outselling most of DC's second-tier comics.

by Anonymousreply 7801/14/2012

Isn't "Shade" a miniseries? The Huntress mini seems to be about the Huntress of DCNu earth, since it's about Helena Bertinelli. I'd assume that the Earth 2 Huntress would be Helena Wayne.

by Anonymousreply 7901/14/2012

So, does anyone think that Marvel will ultimately, and soon, do a reboot like the one recently done by DC Comics?

by Anonymousreply 8001/21/2012

No. That's not how Marvel works. One of the big points that makes the Marvel Universe unique is that they don't have a fractured backstory littered with Crises and Flashpoints. They always maintain that their entire history has kind of a fuzzy starting point, so things that would date the Universe to one period, like the Fantastic Four making their flight into space, is said to perpetually happened about eleven years ago.

As the point of reference, Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross' wonderful miniseries Marvels, which tells the story of the MU as seen through the eyes of an average person would never work as a DC story, because the MU is a whole greater than the sum of its parts in a way the DCU/DCnU isn't.

Also, not for nothing, but DC's big sales boost has already started to erode. They gave up the total sales volume, just a bit, to Marvel in December.

by Anonymousreply 8101/21/2012

I think I cautiously give Rick Remender's take on Secret Avengers my stamp of approval.

Brubaker's early arcs were great, and I enjoyed the hell out of Warren Ellis' one-shots, and Remender has certainly written the hell out of Uncanny X-Force.

by Anonymousreply 8201/25/2012

The new logo is... um, interesting. Isn't rebranding suppose to get you noticed, not passed over?

by Anonymousreply 8301/25/2012

Dark Horse finally got around to adding Angel and Faith and Buffy Season 9 to its iPad app, and...HOLY FUCK ON A STICK.

by Anonymousreply 8401/26/2012

Is Cordelia back in the comics? And I don't mean the dragon.

by Anonymousreply 8501/26/2012

Not at the moment, but considering how loosey-goosey they've been with stuff, who knows.

Angel & Faith is the stronger of the two titles, but they did a big reveal at the end of the most recent Buffy issue that I suspect will rend the internet in two between people who hate it and people who love it.

I think I might feel both ways.

by Anonymousreply 8601/26/2012

I'm finally trudging thru the JMS run on Wonder Woman...if you can call it that. It's been pretty predictable so far and seems to highlight all the stuff that makes WW dull.

by Anonymousreply 8701/27/2012

So, the Watchmen prequels are finally officially happening.

Alan Moore's reaction is about what you'd expect, except this is one of the few times he's right.

by Anonymousreply 8802/01/2012

Oh, and all the creative team shake-ups. Enough already.

by Anonymousreply 8902/01/2012

Disgusting redesign of the DC logo.

I thought the swosh logo was a natural progression from the old bullet design.

This new one looks like something a 12 year old designed with scissors and construction paper.

by Anonymousreply 9002/02/2012

6 months into the DCnU and what is your pull list like?

I've settled on mine and here it is:

Animal Man

Aquaman

Batwoman

Birds of Prey

Catwoman

Green Lantern

GL: New Guardians

Justice League

Nightwing

Red Lanterns

Suicide Squad

Wonder Woman

I have to say I'm actually liking it. It brought back in an old reader like me.

The Superman and Batman titles are lame, though.

GL Corps and The Flash are completely unreadable.

by Anonymousreply 9102/22/2012

Batwoman.

JLDark.

Stormwatch.

That's it. Stormwatch is teetering on the brink, though, since Peter Milligan is moving from JLDark to there, and that just doesn't quite work in my mind. I think Jeff LeMire will be good on JLDark though.

by Anonymousreply 9202/22/2012

VotN, how are the sales doing overall? is DcnU here to stay?

I hope so. WW has not been this interesting/fun since Rucka left.

by Anonymousreply 9302/22/2012

Shocking... Young Avengers was supposed to come out today and it didn't!

by Anonymousreply 9402/22/2012

Allan Heinberg already tweeted about that. They pushed it back a week. Marvel, not him.

[quote]VotN, how are the sales doing overall? is DcnU here to stay?

They've had great sales on a few titles, but just glancing at overall sales figures, it seems like overall, Marvel is selling more comics. I'd probably have to sit down and do the math, but eyeballing it, that's my feeling.

I think Marvel would be heading into higher territory if they'd come down on the prices a bit. They've eased off on some of the second-tier titles, but they persist in the $3.99 price point for their top-tier books, which is what's kept me away from more of their titles. I'll probably pick up a few more series once their full same-day-digital line comes out in a few weeks, but at the moment, I'm going to leave it at Secret Avengers, X-Factor, and Defenders.

by Anonymousreply 9502/22/2012

I'd love to buy Defenders, but I'm not paying $3.99 for a digital comic.

I'm such a trade waiter...I'm glad the DCnU books are hitting issue 5/6 and I can buy a whole arc at once. I wish they'd release sales numbers for digital downloads. I'd be curious to see how issues that are a couple months old are selling at $1.99.

by Anonymousreply 9602/22/2012

[quote]I'd love to buy Defenders, but I'm not paying $3.99 for a digital comic.

Getting an iPad was what really made that acceptable to me. To me, the experience really isn't all that different from reading a physical comic, and the people who try to say that it's somehow a lesser way to experience the story and the art are just a bunch of Luddites who haven't actually tried it.

by Anonymousreply 9702/23/2012

I love comics on my iPad. For a very long time I was reading comics I torrented on my laptop and so to step up to an iPad had been really great. No more long boxes for me, which my partner is very thankful for.

That being said, I much prefer the Comic Zeal reader (for cbr/cbz files) over the Comixology app.

I dont' mind paying $1.99 for a digital issue. $3.99 for a single issue is a lot to a trade-waiter, so i'm just waiting for the first hardcover collection.

by Anonymousreply 9802/23/2012

DC is shutting down their message board in early March.

Fans will have to rely on Facebook & Twitter now.

I think they finally got sick of people calling out the horribleness of DiDio, DCD, Blue Beetle, etc...

by Anonymousreply 9902/23/2012

They'll just migrate over to ComicBookResources and complain with impunity.

by Anonymousreply 10002/23/2012

Well, without much fanfare, the remaining issues of The Twelve has started trickling out, #9 in January, and #10 yesterday.

I don't know if it's just an artifact of having to have wait so long, but even though I reread the entire run, I have to say, I'm thus far really underwhelmed. They had a great reveal over who Dynamic Man actually is, but other than that...

It's only two more issues, so I'll see it through to the end.

Next week, we get that I think is Paul Cornell's final issue to Stormwatch, as well as the final chapter of "Avengers: Children's Cruise" which will lead us up to A vs X starting in April.

by Anonymousreply 10103/01/2012

I'm looking forward to the nice oversized hardcover coming soon for the Children's Crusade.

by Anonymousreply 10203/01/2012

Well, the Marvel Family will be back as of Justice League #7. I know I'm just a pessimist in general, but I don't know if a gritty remake of the Big Red Cheese is going to work.

by Anonymousreply 10303/07/2012

This is also I believe the last week for the first round of cancellations, so if you need to complete your collection of Hawk & Dove, run, don't walk to your LCS.

by Anonymousreply 10403/07/2012

Mary Marvel is back, too?

I think I'm the only one who liked her story in Countdown.

by Anonymousreply 10503/07/2012

I'm not sure what they're going to do with Mary. They've also announced that he's no longer be called "Captain Marvel" and will be officially known as "Shazam!"

From the description, this seems like the sort of story that they'd be telling over in "The Dark" arm of the company, since Johns has said he wants to focus less on a superhero and more on magic.

Which is why making it a back-up for Justice League is a real headscratcher.

by Anonymousreply 10603/07/2012

The new website sucks! You can't find sale dates anymore.

by Anonymousreply 10703/07/2012

I usually go to the DiamondComics website, although that's not the easiest to navigate either.

by Anonymousreply 10803/07/2012

I just go to Comic List for release dates.

by Anonymousreply 10903/07/2012

Marvel is sweeping the floor with DC. Except for Batman, none of the DC comics sell as well as Marvel.

by Anonymousreply 11003/07/2012

Just read the final Children's Crusade. A bit anticlimactic, but I suppose that's to be expected. There are some really nice individual moments, including the beginning of Iron Lad's transformation into Kang and a full-page panel depicting a kiss between Wiccan and Hulkling.

I'm very happy to have Wanda back, though she's now the pariah of the superhero community. I'm hoping she'll be redeemed in A vs. X. And I'm eager to get the backstory on the Vision appearing in Bendis' Avengers, since it's not the Young Avengers vision. I assume Hank Pym is behind it, but I'd actually like to see it on the page.

Looking forward to reading Fairest tonight, since I love Fables.

by Anonymousreply 11103/07/2012

I am a powerful man.

by Anonymousreply 11203/07/2012

Actually, r110, in January, these were the top 10 comics:

1. Justice League #5 (DC) 2. Batman #5 (DC) 3. Action Comics #5 (DC) 4. Detective Comics #5 (DC) 5. Green Lantern #5 (DC) 6. Batman: The Dark Knight #5 (DC) 7. Superman #5 (DC) 8. The Flash #5 (DC) 9. Batman and Robin #5 (DC) 10. Aquaman #5 (DC)

So not only does Batman outsell ALL Marvel, so do Justice League, Superman, Green Lantern, Flash, and Aquaman. AQUAMAN. Aquaman outsold every Marvel comic in January.

by Anonymousreply 11303/07/2012

I won't get the last issue of Children's Crusade for a while, since it wasn't available digitally.

Happily, to tide me over, Marvel decided to make Avengers Academy same-day-digital this month, and so I spent the afternoon catching up with the characters. Especially when, in the current issue, the Runaways showed up. Christos Gage really doesn't get enough credit. Unfortunately, I can't figure how Dark Horse releases their digital comics, so I'm going to have wait to enjoy his next issue of Angel and Faith.

Seeing the new DC logo on Stormwatch, it somehow looked even worse that I'd thought.

by Anonymousreply 11403/07/2012

I was ready to start Avengers Academy based on the initial trades for Avengers: Initiative, but it seemed in the last couple of A:I trades the story got away from Gage. They'd start strong but end a mess. I wonder if that's just the product of having to tie into Siege. Is AA an improvement?

by Anonymousreply 11503/08/2012

Absolutely yes.

The Avengers Academy: Fear Itself tie-in was without a doubt the single best part of that bloated series. And it left them with some major changes to the status quo. Plus, they've got not one, but TWO GLBT characters, the recently outed student Striker (who is a publicity hound and orders his publicist to start a rumor that he's dating Darren Criss--although they don't refer to him by name), and TA and long-time supporting character Julie Power, who acknowledged her bisexuality and resumed her flirtation with Runaways' Karolina Dean in the most recent issue.

Also, Gage managed to work in the Dire Wraiths from ROM probably for the first time since ROM ended its run, and got major style points for that.

Seriously, it is one of the most consistently fun books Marvel is putting out right now.

Also, there was a scene early in the series' run where the regular faculty (Tigra, Giant Man, and Quicksilver) had Valkyrie come in and lecture the girls about superhero romance, which quickly turned into Val talking about how men will always disappoint you but at least there are vibrators. And yes, it's as funny as it sounds.

by Anonymousreply 11603/08/2012

IGN gives a run-down and reviews of the first six months of the DCnU.

They hate Rob Liefeld too.

Highest marks go to Animal Man, Batman, Batwoman, I, Vampire, Swamp Thing, and Wonder Woman.

Failing grades to JLI, Legion Lost, the now canceled Hawk & Dove (where they said the only thing good about it was that Hawk & Dove finally got their own book), Mr. Terrific, Batman: The Dark Night, and Green Arrow.

by Anonymousreply 11703/08/2012

Was home sick yesterday and caught up with the first arcs of Catwoman and Batwoman.

Batwoman didn't feel as stiff as it did under Rucka. I enjoyed it. And of course the art was amazing. I'm not a fan of the whole supernatural element that comes with the Religion of Crime or whatever they're called.

I liked Catwoman. I think the sex scene in the first issue was unnecessary still, but I enjoyed the book. And while March isn't my favorite artist, his work is really dynamic here. I'll keep reading.

I also read the first few Firestorms. It was ok. It was a lot of info to dump into just a few issues. I liked the tweaking assassins. Gail Simone always comes up with some great off the cuff villains.

by Anonymousreply 11803/08/2012

[quote]I also read the first few Firestorms. It was ok. It was a lot of info to dump into just a few issues. I liked the tweaking assassins. Gail Simone always comes up with some great off the cuff villains.

Well, you won't have to worry about that, they've already fired her off Firestorm.

What I want to know is why, if DC is so happy with how things are going, they've shifted around so many creative teams. When they've gone and started over essentially from scratch, wouldn't they want to give writers and artists a good amount of time to find the new grooves, instead of just shuffling them around when some of the books have finally started getting into a grove (see: Stormwatch).

And not for nothing, they may have had all the top-ten comics in January, Marvel still beat them in terms of sales volume. And DC is still coasting on the New 52, while Marvel is between events right now. I admit, I'm a Marvel Zombie, but I'm going to be curious to see what the numbers look like in another six months, once Marvel's wrapping up A vs X.

Although, the announcement of the Watchmen prequels suddenly made DC's insistence that they weren't going with and big crossovers for the time being make a LOT more sense.

by Anonymousreply 11903/09/2012

While I agree with their high marks for Animal Man, Batwoman and Wonder Woman some just don't seem right.

An A for Batman and a B- for Batman & Robin? Those books bored the shit out of mr so I dropped them.

Just a C for Birds of Prey? I'd rank it higher than that. Nightwing (which I'm loving) is much better than a C+.

The Flash gets a B??? It is awful. And I'm a huge Flash fan!

C+ for GL Corps? I'd give that shit an F! Red Lanterns, another new favorite of mine, is given a D? Both that title and GL: New Guardians are much better than GL Corps.

Catwoman is definitely much better than a D-.

It's funny, that "Bat" books I'm liking the most (Batwoman, Nightwing, Birds, Suicide Squad) don't have Batman in them at all.

I "wonder" if Wonder Woman's success is eating Simone up on the inside.

by Anonymousreply 12003/09/2012

I think the ultimate problem with DC is still Dan Didio. The whole relaunch may have been a great idea that spiked sales, but at the end of the day, the whole thing is under the guidance of a man who has yet to find an idea or creative direction that he didn't like to change five minutes later when another idea or creative direction pops in his head.

by Anonymousreply 12103/09/2012

The creative shuffles have nothing to do with how the books are doing, from what I've read. It seems there are some very strict editorial mandates and writes like Simone have walked off books that were not going in the direction they wanted. Just look at all the fallout from Static Shock and what the write/editor/artists went through.

The New 52 was never about giving individual writers a fresh start to re-work the characters.

by Anonymousreply 12203/09/2012

[quote]You found out about it pretty much as soon as it went final, too. It’s definitely regrettable…some real creative differences were going on, to the point that it became untenable.

Amy Reeder is off Batwoman, and here is what she said about it.

This feels like the same sort of top-down creativity that plagues the big movie studios and squishes talented people. We'll have to wait until this wave of comics for DC is over and they get desperate enough to let the individual writers and artists do what they want...which always leads to great stuff (DC mid-80s and Marvel around 2000).

by Anonymousreply 12303/09/2012

I liked the new issues of "Stormwatch" and "Animal Man". Both were dark and very well done. The latest "Avengers Academy" was great as well as it superbly showed that it is possible to be a bigger mediawhore than a gay rights activist, in the case of Striker.

by Anonymousreply 12403/09/2012

[quote]The New 52 was never about giving individual writers a fresh start to re-work the characters.

Then why turn the Blackhawks into GI Joe and turn Green Arrow in Tony Stark minus the armor?

I'm sorry, but when they announced Paul Jenkins was going to be taking over Stormwatch (with a fair amount of fanfare) only to replace him after two issues...to me, that smells funny.

Now I have to admit I'm idly curious as to whether or not anyone might defect over to Marvel. This kind of meddling is what lost them Greg Rucka and Ed Brubaker.

by Anonymousreply 12503/10/2012

[quote] Then why turn the Blackhawks into GI Joe and turn Green Arrow in Tony Stark minus the armor?

Not sure what you mean. To me this sounds like WB saying "turn these people into riffs on films that were popular".

by Anonymousreply 12603/10/2012

[quote]Not sure what you mean. To me this sounds like WB saying "turn these people into riffs on films that were popular".

But that seems to go against the comment about the whole point of the reboot not being to have them take characters in different directions.

Also, if they're going to do the Earth-2 comic, and assuming they actually keep Nicola Scott on it for more than three issues, they need to bring back Infinity, Inc.

by Anonymousreply 12703/12/2012

Why did DC kill their message boards?

by Anonymousreply 12803/12/2012

Just read the latest Aquaman, and I am now a true-blue Mera fan.

Nothing spectacular happened, just a 'day in the life' type story, but she kicked all sorts of ass (in every way).

I don't know why, since I've been familiar with the character since the seventies, even read the 'death of Aquababy story, and, while I've never disliked her, I've never been all that interested in her either. Guess it doesn't help that she's always standing next to a guy who is so my type, at least the way Ivan Reis draws him.

Somehow, this story really grabbed me, seeing her interact with normal people. She wasn't arrogant or condescending, until people started to push her, and damn, is that a bad idea.

Not only did I love her, but it made me like AM even more. Says a lot about him that he's with a woman like this (yes, I know he's fictional.)

by Anonymousreply 12903/13/2012

I'd say the New 52 was about starting fresh with revamped characters, but the writers were hired to do the editors bidding. I don't think they were necessarily hired to be creative.

by Anonymousreply 13003/13/2012

[quote]Just read the final Children's Crusade. A bit anticlimactic, but I suppose that's to be expected. There are some really nice individual moments, including the beginning of Iron Lad's transformation into Kang and a full-page panel depicting a kiss between Wiccan and Hulkling.

Finally got my issue today.

In a weird way, I'm kind of glad they left it on kind of a down note, just because I don't really need everything to be all shiny and happy and pretty. And I think the story Heinberg has always wanted to tell was the one between Teddy and Billy, and that went off like gangbusters. Especially since they can get married now, even if they're a little on the young side.

I've been kind of honked off over the years that they've never kissed on panel, but the way they handled it....that was almost worth the wait.

I don't know when/if we'll see them again, but I will always have three memories from their stories that will stick out in my mind. No, four.

First, that kiss. Chueng gave it everything he had.

Secondly, in their Annual, when each of the kids was giving Jessica Jones their backstories, Kate confessing something (they inferred that she'd been raped) to Jessica, and then Kate asked if Jessica would let her daughter be a superhero when she grew up, and Jessica answered "No. But if she's like me, she'll do it anyway. And if she's like you, I'll be very lucky."

Captain America giving Kate Clint Barton's bow and the name "Hawkeye" because she was the only person who'd ever stood up to him like he had.

Lastly, Annual again. Luke Cage and Jessica are talking about the kids, Luke asks her "So when our baby girl grows up and wants to be a Young Avenger, you'll be cool with that?" And Jessica, perfectly answers "At this point, *I* want to be a Young Avenger."

by Anonymousreply 13103/13/2012

I missed the announcement, and since there aren't really ads in the digital comics, I hadn't seen anything in print yet, but Marvel has what sounds like a really fun mini-event coming up for April called Omega Effect, which is going to crossover between the month's issues of Avenging Spider-Man, Punisher, and Daredevil, which Mark Waid and Greg Rucka wrote collaboratively.

Even though I love Rucka and know Waid's Daredevil is great, I don't follow any of those books, but that I might have to pick up.

by Anonymousreply 13203/14/2012

Batwoman #7 dropped today. Some really nice work from Amy Reeder, so naturally they've had to fire her.

by Anonymousreply 13303/14/2012

DiDio hates women.

I'm guessing he is a Republican.

by Anonymousreply 13403/14/2012

It seems like they're actively trying to involve more women on high-profile books, but they keep screwing them over.

I was really negative on the whole New 52 concept, but I've been trying to be more open-minded and I have mostly enjoyed the books I've been following, but they're making it actively goddamn hard.

Meanwhile, despite the fact that I was rolling my eyes when A vs X was first announced, I've found myself somewhat excited by it, and I'm regularly buying comics from both Dark Horse and IDW.

by Anonymousreply 13503/14/2012

I'm saddened to think that we may not see the Young Avengers for a while. If they add Billy and Teddy to the main Avengers book, I'd buy it.

by Anonymousreply 13603/15/2012

Kind of a light week for comics. Turns out, Pregnant Buffy was a robot all along.

That makes the kind of sense that's...not.

Spider-Man: Ends of the Earth is off to a positive start.

by Anonymousreply 13703/22/2012

Ends of the Earth is thus far living up to its promise. First time I can remember a comic with Steven Hawking, Barak Obama, and Angela Merkel in the same panel.

A vs X might turn out to be a lot of fun. The first issue was really quite good, even if it's just a bit of a perfunctory beat-em-up kind of way. I do have to say Romita Jr's art doesn't live up to Jim Cheung's cover.

The resolution to the Runaways in Avengers Academy may be one of the best comics I've read in a long, long time. Plus, Karolina and Julie are going on a date.

by Anonymousreply 13804/04/2012

This is the way The Twelve ends.

This is the way The Twelve ends.

This is the way the Twelve ends.

Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

by Anonymousreply 13904/26/2012

"Earth 2" was unexpected. Although it's early, it looks like none of the "Infinity Inc." crew will make it into this universe unless they have markedly different origins.

by Anonymousreply 14005/07/2012

DC is over: It is nothing but Batman and Superman. Marvel Comics rules the newstands as much as its movies rule the box office.

by Anonymousreply 14105/07/2012

[quote]"Earth 2" was unexpected. Although it's early, it looks like none of the "Infinity Inc." crew will make it into this universe unless they have markedly different origins.

It's not "Earth 2" it's really their Justice Society book. Nicola Scott's art was great as was to be expected, but I really don't think I'll be checking it out again.

Where Dial H or the GI Combat book any good?

by Anonymousreply 14205/09/2012

Today in "Alan Moore's Worst Nightmares Coming to Life": the Official Watchmen Toaster

by Anonymousreply 14305/15/2012

DC is outing a "major" character soon.

While speculation would be fun, I'm betting it's either Earth-2 Huntress or Power Girl.

It would be more interesting, I think if it was not a lesbian, but at least we homosexual activists have put pressure on them.

by Anonymousreply 14405/21/2012

I'm betting on someone in the JSA/Earth 2 cast as well, which would include Power Girl and the Huntress. Robinson said that Hawkgirl would have a completely different origin, so maybe her?

by Anonymousreply 14505/21/2012

You know, Shayera Hol is one of my favorite characters in the DCU, and at this point, she's been more abused than even Katar. I guess it would be too much to ask that they try and stick with an origin story that works.

I hate saying this, but unless Batwoman picks up, they may lose me as a reader. The most recent issue was the first one after Amy Reeder was fired, and it was just a mess. I'm willing to take a certain amount of unfocused storytelling if they pair it with great art, but they needed someone extraordinary to help tell that story, and whoever they had doing fill-in was....pedestrian is a polite word for it.

The New 52 is the same as the Old 52. They stick with something just long enough for something to get invested in the story, and then switch horses.

by Anonymousreply 14605/21/2012

...and then Northstar's wedding gets discussed on Hot Topics on The View.

I realize that was just an exercise in corporate synergy, but for the life of me, I don't understand why Marvel manages to do gay content with such relative ease and DC has only managed it with Batwoman.

by Anonymousreply 14705/22/2012

Apparently this new gay character has not been re-introduced in the new 52 yet, and is male.

I'm going with Jimmy Olsen. I've not read Superman at all so I have no idea if he's in the books yet, but from what I understand he isn't.

I'd cross my fingers for it to be Wally West, but that would be kinda fucked up for Linda and the kids, as then I assume they'd just not exist.

by Anonymousreply 14805/22/2012

[quote]I'm going with Jimmy Olsen. I've not read Superman at all so I have no idea if he's in the books yet, but from what I understand he isn't.

Jimmy was at least in Action Comics #1. He looked like Justin Bieber.

He was also always gay.

I can guarantee whoever it is won't have anything to do with the Green Lantern Corps, because they don't take fags.

by Anonymousreply 14905/22/2012

Okay, this far, the best guesses seem to be:

Shazam (going for a bullying storyline)

Alan Scott

The Ryan Choi Atom

Wally

Garth

And...sigh...Vibe.

by Anonymousreply 15005/23/2012

Shazam and Alan Scott have both appeared already.

by Anonymousreply 15105/24/2012

They've parsed that as saying that Billy Batson has appeared, but not Shazam, and Alan Scott has appeared, but not as Green Lantern.

by Anonymousreply 15205/24/2012

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It is, in fact, Alan Scott.

by Anonymousreply 15305/31/2012

I'm a little disappointed that it's Alan, as he has a decades-long history of being heterosexual in the old DCU, with never even a suggestion that he might swing both ways.

by Anonymousreply 15405/31/2012

The new 52 is crap - all art no story line - I am more than half a year into JLA and they have not told one decent story - just pretty pictures. And making Alan Scott gay is a cop out. I wish it was just a reduex like the Onslaught story line in Marvel, so they can go right back to regular DCU history in a year.

If they had any balls they would make Superman gay - that his friendship with Batman was a deep seeded crush.

by Anonymousreply 15505/31/2012

[quote]I don't understand why Marvel manages to do gay content with such relative ease and DC has only managed it with Batwoman

While I don't understand it, I'm not surprised either. DC was exactly the same way in the seventies regarding black characters. Everything was awkward, preachy and trying-too-hard (that Legion of Super Heroes story introducing Tyroc still makes me wince). Of course, they finally pulled it together, but I imagine it'll be another ten or fifteen years for the gays. Sigh.

by Anonymousreply 15605/31/2012

If you were worried that outing Alan Scott meant that we were actually making progress at DC, don't worry any longer.

I daresay they're about to fuck it up. That didn't take long.

Also, the Earth-2 Jay Garrick is phenomenally stupid.

by Anonymousreply 15706/06/2012

I have, like, ten # 1 issues of Hawkman and none of them are the same.

by Anonymousreply 15806/06/2012

VotN, could you elaborate a little? I won't get to my store to pick up a copy for a day or two.

by Anonymousreply 15906/06/2012

I see that Voice of the Night is yet again allowing no one to have an opinion other than his own for a single second.

by Anonymousreply 16006/06/2012

We are first introduced to Alan returning from a business trip to China, whereupon his first act is to plant his tongue down his (admittedly, incredibly hot--good on you, Nicola Scott) boyfriend's throat. Boyfriend whisks him away for a romantic weekend in the country.

Cut to Alan and boyfriend on a train through the countryside. Alan pulls out a ring and proposes...and the train promptly explodes.

I understand this is an origin story, and any origin story needs an element of tragedy, but it felt really exploitative. I may be reading it completely wrong--Gail Simone totally got me when she did a similar thing in Birds of Prey--but it just feels like a quick, tacky way to get them some quick publicity, and then never have to actually deal with Alan's new orientation.

I really do hope I'm wrong, because I think I would really like this book to succeed, because the creative team is terrific, and there's clearly a really cool story being hinted at, but I can only take being slapped around by the industry so many times.

by Anonymousreply 16106/06/2012

Actually VotN, I second r159's request. What's the scoop. Anything we should know. I have mixed feelings about this new DC Universe. I wonder if the reboot would've been better if Dan DiDio wasn't involved.

by Anonymousreply 16206/06/2012

"DC was exactly the same way in the seventies regarding black characters."

R156, I agree. A good example was Nubia, the "Black Wonder Woman."

by Anonymousreply 16306/06/2012

Does anybody but me remember a thread we had a long, long time ago about DC's 70's blacksplotation character Right On Sisterwoman?

Because whenever I think about someone complaining about how the COIE retconned her to suddenly be the daughter of the Golden Age character Uppity Colored Girl, it makes me giggle.

Just me, then? This is so going to be taken out of context.

by Anonymousreply 16406/06/2012

That issue of Lois Lane where she becomes a 24 hour black lady was kind of disturbing and hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 16506/06/2012

There's a hilariously trippy Batman comic from (I think) the 50s called "Batman: Indian Chief" where Batman and Robin are on the BatJet returning to Gotham and see...sigh...a Bat Smoke Signal rising up.

It turns out that the friendly chief of the local Native American tribe has taken up as "Chief Man-of-Bats" with his youthful ward "Raven," and started fighting crime. Man-of-Bats gets injured and so Batman and Robin...sigh...dye their skin red to fill in.

by Anonymousreply 16606/06/2012

Now that I've read it, boy do they sure seem to like doing a hatchet job on the Earth 2 characters. Terry Sloan seems horrible (Is he a villain now? Would this make more sense if I'd read Mr. Terrific's book?), Jay Garrick is a babbling moron, and Alan's boyfriend seemingly just got "woman in refrigerator"-ed to give him a tragic backstory. Hawkgirl seemed to have potential, but they deliberately drew her at a bad angle to keep you from being able to see her whole costume.

by Anonymousreply 16706/07/2012

I did not know that VotN. But leave it to friggin' Morrison to pay attention to that stuff.

by Anonymousreply 16806/12/2012

Is Didio gay?

by Anonymousreply 16906/12/2012

And DC's next animated offering is...

FLASHPOINT!

Although Kevin Conroy will continue as Batman.

Finally got to watch Justice League: Doom. I was melancholy, knowing that was Dwayne McDuffie's final project.

by Anonymousreply 17006/15/2012

They've been teasing this for a while but...

No More Avengers...

by Anonymousreply 17106/21/2012

I think I'm done with Batwoman.

Which kills me, but there's nothing appealing about it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 17206/22/2012

A v. X has turned out to be surprisingly not bad. It's not the best crossover they've ever done, but it's far from the worst.

by Anonymousreply 17306/22/2012

I'm a little disappointed that it took so much time for them to work Scarlet Witch into the story, but AVX #6 was far and away the best issue they've had. Olivier Coipel isn't my favorite artist at Marvel, but his style works better with this grand sense of story-telling than John Romita Jr's did, and I actually like JRJ.

I found the scene where Beast realized that he didn't belong with either the X-Men or the Avengers any longer kind of touching.

I also can't wait to see what Kelly Sue DeConnick does when Ms. Marvel becomes Captain Marvel.

And as ever, Christos Gage does the best job at using a forced company-wide crossover and telling a personal story for the kids at Avengers Academy.

And for god's sake, get Emma Rios on a regular book.

by Anonymousreply 17406/22/2012

Yeah, I gave up on Batwoman after the first arc. It looked pretty but I wasn't overly thrilled with the stories and despite having "Bat" in the title, exists in it's own little universe that I found odd for odd's sake and a little boring.

As for AvX - a couple of things - if Cyclops and crew were thinking the Phoenix was going to restart the mutant gene and save them all and that was their whole motivation in protecting Hope and fighting the Avengers, then why was that NOT the first thing they did as The Phoenix Five?

And since when could the Scarlet Witch appear and disappear via magic at whiim? She's never been able to do that. Much like the #0 issue that showed her levitating, that's not been in her skill set (aside from a few times here and there over the last twenty or thirty years, she've never been able to fly or levitate).

by Anonymousreply 17506/22/2012

I limited myself to three DCnU books, and I can't decide if I'd like to replace Batwoman with Earth-2, because while I think I like where Robison and Scott are going, it doesn't really help that Jay Garrick is a gibbering moron, or that they stuffed Alan Scott's boyfriend directly into the refrigerator.

Also, unrelated to the main Earth-2 book, as a long-time Helena Bertinelli fan, the reveal that it was Helena Wayne all along left a really sour taste in my mouth.

I think I'll keep Justice League Dark, but Stormwatch is also coming close to being eliminated.

by Anonymousreply 17606/22/2012

See, the reveal that it was Helena Wayne made me love her even more. I loved, loved, loved the pre-crisis Huntress, and although I came to like the 'new' Huntress, I never looked at her without thinking about what once was.

That being said, the fact remains that none of these versions of DC characters are the characters I came to love or like. They are yet another version - so in the end, THIS Helena Wayne still may not live up to the original Helena Wayne.

This whole reboot has been very odd to me. I transitioned nicely with Crisis but this - I still feel disconnected from these guys to a certain degree, mainly because I don't know the histories of these characters like I once did - things have changed, and we aren't even sure what exactly in some cases. The stories I'm enjoying - well, I'm enjoying. But I also feel like the reboot has made it much easier for me to drop books AND in a faster response time if i'm not liking the story. These guys LOOK like my characters, in many cases they are very close to my characters, but they aren't my characters - at least not the ones I've been reading for 20+ years. if that makes any sense.

by Anonymousreply 17706/22/2012

Plus, there's no consistency. Green Lantern hasn't changed. It's a continuation of the Blackest Night and all the other GL storylines from before. Meanwhile, the Hal Jordan that is in Justice League seems like a different GL than in his own book. Plus, I can't figure out in Justice League when these stories are taking place. In JLI, you have Batman encouraging Booster and the JLI and in JL, he's railing against them.

by Anonymousreply 17806/22/2012

[quote] they stuffed Alan Scott's boyfriend directly into the refrigerator

So he's being treated just like any number of straight heroes? Sounds like equality.

I liked Earth 2. I've had a soft spot for the Justice Society ever since reading their reprinted adventures in the 100 page Justice League comics and their crossovers with the League back in the seventies, and I LOVE the return of the multiverse and its expanded possibilities. I didn't like the death of the boyfriend right after his introduction either, but since the original Alan Scott got his powers after a train wreck, I suppose it fits. And really, aren't most relationships in comics pretty bland? And I found the rich guy marrying the even richer guy during their fabulous getaway to be a bit smug.

[quote] I loved, loved, loved the pre-crisis Huntress... I never looked at her without thinking about what once was

Me too. The daughter of Batman and Catwoman? And she's a bad-ass in her own right? Of course, I like everything about Earth two back in the day. I still miss Infinity Incorporated. Guess we aren't getting THAT back.

[quote]This whole reboot has been very odd to me

That's because DC half-assed it, just as they did with the original Crisis in '85. They couldn't completely commit back then either, and didn't seem to have planned out what they were going to do. It's very frustrating when you think that there are people being paid to do this who seem to give it less thought than the fan who reads this stuff after a day of work.

Still, for all my pissing and moaning, I'm enjoying Action Comics, Wonder Woman, and Batman, and my favorite superhero, Aquaman, is actually being treated like a significant character with the best art in comics right not. Also, seems he was a bit of a dick when younger, and I'm looking forward to seeing why he mellowed (also, his younger, shirtless self is HOT!!)

I'm liking Green Lantern too, but is it wrong that the villain, Sinestro, is more interesting and layered than the hero? And I like the reveal about the Indigo Tribe. I hope Johns does half the job on expanding Aquaman's universe that he's put into GL.

by Anonymousreply 17906/23/2012

Midtown Comics celebrated Northstar's nuptials by holding a real gay wedding there last week. So, if you want to throw some money their way, we know they're the good guys.

by Anonymousreply 18006/25/2012

Spoilers for Earth-2 #3.

Guess what they did to Alan Scott's boyfriend?

by Anonymousreply 18106/29/2012

I like it when Zac Efron takes off his shirt

by Anonymousreply 18206/29/2012

Don't call it a reboot!

Major shake-ups coming the the wake of A vs X. Not the least of which is John Cassaday returning to a monthly book.

by Anonymousreply 18307/05/2012

WHy did Cable have to come back right before AvX and hasn't been a part of it so far. Hell Hope hasn't even referenced him. It seems bizarre

by Anonymousreply 18407/06/2012

Anyone heading to Comic Con this weekend? I wish the Gays in Comics panel was a little more unexpected, but it should still be interesting.

by Anonymousreply 18507/10/2012

If Jean Grey's not coming back at the end of this AvX, then I really don't a crap. Marvel can kiss my ass.

by Anonymousreply 18607/10/2012

The 60s Jean is coming into the present with All New X-Men.

by Anonymousreply 18707/10/2012

Jean Grey's coming back as the younger Marvel Girl with the rest of the original X-Men team.

Since the other current original X-Men are now very different than their original versions except Cyclops, they will probably kill off Cyclops at the end of AvX to avoid confusion with bring back the younger version.

by Anonymousreply 18807/10/2012

Captain America, Thor, Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four, FF, Uncanny X-Men, New Mutants and X-Men Legacy titles are all ending in October.

Most are coming back, renumbered at #1, for the new Marvel NOW! era.

by Anonymousreply 18907/10/2012

[quote]Since the other current original X-Men are now very different than their original versions except Cyclops, they will probably kill off Cyclops at the end of AvX to avoid confusion with bring back the younger version.

They aren't. The preview art for Marvel NOW! even shows his new costume.

Although I agree, he needs to die.

by Anonymousreply 19007/10/2012

That's bull! As much as I loved the 60s Jean as much as the current one, the Marvel U. needs the current Jean; the one that Quesada allowed the highly overrated Grant Morrison to blatantly disrespect by having her "killed" by a fake Magneto wannabee.

by Anonymousreply 19107/10/2012

On today's Vertigo panel the big news is......drum roll.....

NEIL GAIMAN IS RETURNING TO SANDMAN!

And with Jim Williams doing the art.

by Anonymousreply 19207/12/2012

And the Eisner goes to....

Mostly Mark Waid.

by Anonymousreply 19307/14/2012

Kate Bishop is going to be appearing in Hawkeye's new solo series. I approve of this.

I was under the impression that Darwyn Cooke was something of a homophobe--although I'm not sure why--but at the Before Watchmen panel, he made a comment about how emotionally connected he felt to Silhouette, the Minutemen's dead lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 19407/14/2012

Marvel movie news.

Captain America II is officially titled "Captain America: Winter Soldier" which means we're getting an adaptation of Ed Brubaker's Winter Soldier story, which will also presumably mean Sebastian Stan will be back.

Guardians of the Galaxy is officially a go.

Confirming what we've known all along, Sir Ben Kingsley will indeed be Mandarin in Iron Man III, and they pretty much officially said that the story is an adaptation of Warren Ellis' Extremis story without actually coming out and saying it.

by Anonymousreply 19507/15/2012

Second round of DC cancellations: Captain Atom, Resurrection Man, Voodoo, and JLI.

Replacements:

Talon, by Scott Snyder, spinning out of the Night of the Owls event in the Bat books.

Sword of Sorcery, a fantasy series written by Jem creator Christy Marx.

The Phantom Stranger, by Dan DiDio.

Team 7, by Justin Jordan, a revival of a WildStorm title, with a mixture of WildStorm and DC characters, including Grifter, Amanda Waller, Deathstroke the Terminator, and Black Canary.

by Anonymousreply 19607/15/2012

r196

Wasn't that announced weeks ago?

by Anonymousreply 19707/15/2012

Probably. Aside from Neil Gaiman returning to Sandman, there seemed to be very little new stuff actually announced. Plenty of things were confirmed, but there wasn't one single moment of awesome like when they announced Joss Whedon was going to be directing "Avengers" and brought out the entire cast.

I do have to say, the announcements about the New 52 #0 month sounds intriguing.

by Anonymousreply 19807/15/2012

Back when the JLA preview art was showing, after the new 52 was announced, we saw members like Lady Luck and Element Woman. When are they going to show up in the book?

by Anonymousreply 19907/15/2012

"Justice League International" never gelled and it was pretty obvious that the end was nigh with the murder of Rocket Red and the hospitalization of Ice and Vixen. I hope the same fate isn't awaiting "Justice League Dark", since it's the FIRST DB book to feature the magical underworld on a level that's as compelling as Marvel's.

by Anonymousreply 20007/15/2012

JLDark has been a pretty solid middle seller. It's not setting the world on fire, but it does sell better than any of the books that have been cancelled and quite a few that weren't.

Also, there has been a pretty positive reaction to Jeff Lemire's new approach to the book.

by Anonymousreply 20107/15/2012

R179...all straight heroes have their lovers killed right off the bat? You're nuts. It's exactly what VOTN says it is. They made him "gay" but don't actually want that actualized in any way. Now he'll be in mourning forever and permanently celibate.

by Anonymousreply 20207/15/2012

r.199, I thought the art with Element Woman was a preview of Trinity Wars which is next summer's big event.

by Anonymousreply 20307/15/2012

Speaking of which, here's an interview with James Robinson about Alan.

He's quite pleased that he unleashed comic fans on OMM.

by Anonymousreply 20407/15/2012

I loved what they did with DC's old logo when they had it up before the movies.

The new thing just looks like crap.

by Anonymousreply 20507/22/2012

And speaking of movies, the sequel to X-Men: First Class has a title....

X-Men: Days of Future Past

by Anonymousreply 20607/31/2012

Even if you haven't been following the mini, see if you can track down Spider-Men #4.

It's the first real crossover between the Ultimate universe and 616, with 616-Peter Parker coming across to meet Miles Morales, the new Ultimate Spider-Man. Firstly, it's well written, secondly, it features Sarah Pichelli's gorgeous art.

#4 concerned Peter impulsively deciding to see Ultimate Aunt May, and of course running into the Ultimate Gwen Stacy to boot. I'm not going to lie, the scenes where Gwen and May, for whom Peter is dead, and Peter, for whom Gwen is dead, brought me to tears.

It may just be because of stress, but I was seriously moved by seeing May, mourning her Peter and never having gotten a chance to say goodbye to him, being confronted with an adult Peter who's successful, and a hero who saves the world (or at least New York on a regular basis, and that because of that, she knew she'd made all the right choices raising her Peter.

I've always loved stories about heroes with families, and how those families deal with their strange realities, and this was pretty damned close to perfect in that regard.

"MARY!" me all you want. I don't care.

by Anonymousreply 20708/15/2012

Jesus Christ, VOTN, let other people have a fucking opinion! I'm glad you enjoy comics - I've been on them since I was a lad and even stuck it out through the New 52; but would it be okay if other people thought their own things?

by Anonymousreply 20808/15/2012

Most of the time other people can't think things in this thread because of primetime, not because of VotN.

by Anonymousreply 20908/15/2012

[quote]Jesus Christ, VOTN, let other people have a fucking opinion! I'm glad you enjoy comics - I've been on them since I was a lad and even stuck it out through the New 52; but would it be okay if other people thought their own things?

I'd be more than happy to have discussions with other people, but no one else ever seems to want to.

I hate posting like that in this thread, but I do it in hopes of sparking discussion. This is the one place on the net where I really feel safe talking about the gay aspects of comics, but if no one truly is interested, I'll stop.

by Anonymousreply 21008/15/2012

I agree with you on being moved by Spider-Men #4. I've been reading comics for over 30 years and the scene where she said " I thought we lost you" (or something like that) when she hugged him - first time a comic actually brought tears to my eyes. And I was completely taken by surprise because I didn't see it coming until I read that panel.

by Anonymousreply 21108/15/2012

The point, VOTN, is that you don't have to argue with every single little point that gets raised by others. That's not "discussion."

by Anonymousreply 21208/15/2012

VotN, I'm interested. I don't always have anything to add (like in this case, where I haven't read Spider Man), but like you I like having a place where I can talk about gays and comics at the same time.

by Anonymousreply 21308/15/2012

Both Defenders and Avengers Academy are being cancelled as of November. Sad now.

I'm hoping they'll launch some new Kid Avengers type book, hopefully with some of the Young Avengers while they're at it.

by Anonymousreply 21408/20/2012

So Marvel has killed Young Avengers, The Initiative, and now Avengers Academy? I've enjoyed all three books, and all three seemed to be successful, so why can't they keep them going?

by Anonymousreply 21508/20/2012

I know I'm late to the party but I still wanted to weigh in. I'm disappointed with a lot of the "new" DCU. I like JLA, Earth - 2, Aquaman, and the Legion. Batwoman is disappointing but I haven't quite given up on the title just yet. The whole own arch in the Bat books didn't do much for me either. Likewise with All Star Western. I've not been a big Superman fan for years, but am enjoying both the Action and Superman book. I'm also liking Superboy. I'm not sure about Supergirl yet.

Having said that, I'm not very thrilled with the Marvel titles either. I've read the X-books for a long time but have just about had it with them too. If they are going to re-boot them I wish they'd get to it. They have so jumped the shark that they need to do something to clean them up and start fresh.

by Anonymousreply 21608/20/2012

It's not so much that YA was killed, it was that Allen Heinberg was too busy with his TV writing to give it proper attention (the first twelve issues came out achingly slowly), and if you've read any of the subsequent series, like the Runaways crossovers or the Young Avengers Presents mini, it's seemed like there are very few writers that could get them to sound right. Paul Cornell who did the Dark Reign: Young Avengers was probably the best, but he's exclusive to DC now. I also think, but am not sure, that that particular mini was supposed to be the second season of YA, instead of Children's Crusade.

Anyway, Matt Fraction, who wrote Young Avengers Presents - Hawkeye is actually using Kate Bishop in the new Hawkeye solo series, so I'm hoping we haven't seen the last of the rest of them either.

To tell you the truth, I'm not entire sure what prompted the Avengers Academy cancellation. It can't be sales, because it gets better sales than Winter Soldier, Venom, and X-Factor, all of which are continuing. That's why I'm hoping it means we'll get a new young heroes series.

by Anonymousreply 21708/20/2012

Wiccan is on the cover of Marvel NOW! Point One, along with other characters who will not doubt be important to this new iteration of the Marvel U -- Nova, Ant-Man, Cable, and Star-Lord from the Guardians of the Galaxy.

Wiccan is pictured with Kid Loki and a young woman code-named Miss America who was apparently featured in a miniseries called Vengeance (which I didn't read). Speculation is that these three will be part of a young hero team book. We'll see how it goes, but I really liked Avengers Academy.

I'm becoming less and less enamored of the New 52 with each passing month. Even critical faves like Animal Man and Swamp Thing leave me cold -- maybe because Morrison's Animal Man and Moore's Swamp Thing are two of my favorite runs ever.

by Anonymousreply 21808/20/2012

Bumping to ask(again) why Cable hsn't been a part of AvX? Where is he? WHy haven't they even mentioned him? I still don't understand why the Avengers would be upset with the Phoenix 5 are actually helping the world. They are going a bit crazy now though

by Anonymousreply 21908/20/2012

I think the Avengers were upset because they expected them to go crazy all along. It's like Jean said way, way back in the original Dark Phoenix saga, the progression to Dark Phoenix and corruption of power is inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 22008/20/2012

In the first Point One, they showed the Phoenix Force basically killing all the life on a planet, and even though new life began to grow as well, it kind of sucks for those who were there previously.

And there was every intention that the Phoenix was coming for Hope, who has even less experience or training than Jean did when she was possessed by it, and even she was smart enough to reject the power before it was too late.

And then five benevolent dictators remaking the world, are still dictators, and that was before Namor destroyed Wakanda, Emma went completely off the rails, and Scott...well, whatever's about to happen to Scott.

If you have a tablet, track down A vs X Infinite #6. It's a sort of side-story issue that Mark Waid wrote, where Scott, questioning his role in everything that happens, goes to the Blue Area of the Moon, to the spot Jean dies, and creates a replica of her out of dust, and Replica-Jean points out that he's in danger of losing his humanity. It's really quite powerful, and it's probably the most sympathetic I've seen Scott portrayed in years.

The thing that's so odd is that, despite the fact that I've disliked Xavier has a character for a long, long time (mostly because I've felt his attitudes aren't really all that different from Magneto's), for the first time, he seems to actually get it.

And I've never really been a fan of the relationship between Storm and Black Panther, but him telling her coldly that he'd unilaterally decided to divorce her struck me in ways that I didn't expect.

by Anonymousreply 22108/20/2012

I'm so over the main X-books. They have become so convoluted with time traveling or similar story lines that anyone trying to come on board with them would be lost. The characters are also not easy to like. Cyclops has become unbearable. Emma Frost is so not believable as a hero. Namor is a nice addition his character doesn't really fit with the X books. They need to go back to a basic team. Having said that, I do like X-Factor and the New Mutants.

by Anonymousreply 22208/20/2012

Let's hope that Marvel uses most of the remaining/surviving "Avengers Academy" kids to populate any new "Teen Titans/Young Juatice" knock-off they come up with. The latest "Academy" was superb and I felt for Hazmat, Mettle and Striker. That Big Zero bitch is a *nasty* piece of work and kudos to the writers for showing what a racist cunt she still is.

If there is a new team Striker, Finesse, Reptil, White Tiger, Striker, Mettle and Hazmat should be the core. X-23 is too much of a journeyman/lone wolf to be ties to one group. Juston, the Sentinel kid, is also a tad unstable--a kid in his late teens with an Iron Giant fetish.

by Anonymousreply 22308/20/2012

OOps--mentioned Striker twice. The new team should consist of Striker, Finesse, Reptil, White Tiger, Veil, Mettle and Hazmat.

by Anonymousreply 22408/20/2012

Marvel needs to go back to the basics. Either the original five or the "New" X-men who replaced them. The overload of X titles has weakened any hopes of quality.

by Anonymousreply 22508/20/2012

I take it back, VOTN - it's not for me to tell you what to post. I'm not sure where I was coming from with all that. Apologies.

by Anonymousreply 22608/21/2012

One of my long time complaints about the X-Men is the need to have all X-related characters seemingly in play at all times. Remember the days when the original X-Men were off the canvas for years? When some of the New Mutants actually went on to do other things off panel? Now, they are all in play in one book or another.

I think they need to get back to smaller, more defined teams, and some characters need to be put back on the shelf for a few years before rotating them back in.

As for DC, my interest is fast fading. The difference between this relaunch and the 80's crisis is that THIS feels like all new characters. Yeah, history was played with in the original crisis but the way it was presented I felt like they were still the same characters I had been reading but with particular points of history changed. Sure, Superman and Wonder Woman were basically rebooted completely, but even then, we got their stories from the ground up (particularly with Wonder Woman). We saw their trajectory and their growth.

This time around, everyone BUT Batman and Green Lantern got the reboot (which is probably why their titles are still good to me), huge chunks of their past are unknown to us and are apparently different. Those facts make these characters with the same faces feel foreign to me, like pod people almost. And I've given them a chance. I started the new 52 reading more DC titles than I was before the relaunch - but I'm done to normal levels and getting ready to cull a few more titles because I'm just not feeling it. Not only do the characters feel like strangers, but the stories feel - contained. Like they aren't being all that they can be.

Is it the apparently heavy editorial hand? is it the over reliance on Marvel creative stars of the 90's? Is it the recurring theme seen under Dan Didio of plans going one way, and then abruptly going another as though things were not thought through the first time - or second time? Is it the already heavy rotating creative teams (particularly in the art department)? I don't know but I'm just - bored.

It was 20+ years before the first crisis, another 20+ years before Flashpoint, but the quality of this reboot makes me think that it's going to be far less time before another DC universe reboot is going to be needed to wipe this droll, sketchily planned one from the history books.

by Anonymousreply 22708/21/2012

Part of my problem with new DC is the "change for change's sake" feeling of many of the characters. Amnesia-nympho Starfire was one of the more glaring and well-publicized examples, but it happened pretty much across the board. As much as I like having LGBT characters, I think the Alan Scott change was a horrible idea, and I'm never going to feel like skinny Amanda Waller is the real deal. The Lillith that popped up in "Teen Titans" was unrecognizable, and I'm still kind of miffed that they completely discarded good, somewhat popular characters like Cat Man and Miss Martian.

by Anonymousreply 22808/21/2012

[quote]Is it the apparently heavy editorial hand?

I would say that's probably a large part of it.

I know we've talked Gail Simone to death over the years, but she's made some comments lately that, reading between the lines, make me think she's unhappy with some of the editorial fiats she's gotten. She's said more than once that she missing writing for Oracle and Secret Six, and when asked about her abrupt departure from Firestorm, the only thing she said was "you do what editorial tells you."

by Anonymousreply 22908/21/2012

Barbara Gordon is one of those characters who devolved with the New 52. I know that Batgirl is iconic - and I love the image of Batgirl. But Barbara evolved beyond Batgirl. As Oracle, she was stronger, more independent, more fleshed out than she had been as Batgirl - and she was unique to the DC universe. As Batgirl, she's not so unique anymore, and not as exciting.

And the Legion. I don't know what that book needs, but it needs it fast. We finally - FINALLY - got the classic Legion back with Paul Levitz writing them (whose run with Keith Giffen is one of the best runs in comics) and ... flat. It's all flat. And I can't quite put my finger on why. All the new characters are blending together, the villains seem generic - and I don't know if it's the writing or the art or both. But every issue starts at a 4 on a 10 scale and just sort of stays there - maybe raises to 5.

by Anonymousreply 23008/21/2012

You are so right about Legion, R230. I was really excited when Levitz came back -- his original run LSH is a favorite of mine. But this go-round has just been blah.

by Anonymousreply 23108/21/2012

Why, why, why must we get the return of my beloved Jean Grey through a time jumping original X-Men? That is sooo tired. DAMMIT! I want the real Jean Grey; the one we last saw in the pages of that overrated Morrison run. That Jean Grey! Plus, this whole mixing of X-Men and Avengers in this post Avengers vs. X-Men half-ass reboot Marvel is doing just seems like a really bad idea.

by Anonymousreply 23208/21/2012

Justice League has also been kind of blah. Every time I read it, the issues feel horribly decompressed, like everything that's happened so far could have happened in half the pages.

by Anonymousreply 23308/21/2012

I totally agree r233. The first story arc alone could've taken place in one super size first issue. I mean after all, it's suppose to be the flagship title and was the kick-off for this new DC. A super size one story issue would not have killed them.

by Anonymousreply 23408/21/2012

Barbara Gordon back as Batgirl is long overdue. I hope they can keep her interesting enough to maintain her own title.

by Anonymousreply 23508/21/2012

Is it just me, or does it seem like the New 52 concept ran out of steam awfully quickly?

I mean, with the exception Earth-2, none of the replacements in either the second or third way seem terribly exciting, and the only place where the rotating creative teams seems to have actually helped is Justice League Dark.

Also, I do recommend picking up the 50th Anniversary Amazing Spider-Man #689. The main story, with the introduction of the new teenage sidekick, is kind of annoying (I give it less than a year), but there are two back-up stories that are really worth it. One involves what happened to Spider-Man's costume when he threw it away in the old "Spider-Man No More" storyline (and the art is done in just the same style as John Romita Sr's art from back then), and the other is about Peter having a day where nothing goes right...until something finally does. The comic is $6, but it's worth the price.

by Anonymousreply 23608/22/2012

I feel you r236. Compare the New 52 to the post-COIE reboot. Granted that reboot was uneven at times but when it worked it worked very well. Plus, once the continuity got on the same One Universe rather than Multiple Universes page, the momentum seem to have carried through at least the whole 90s decade. It truly defined DC. This New 52 just seems so anti-climatic and somewhat lacking in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 23708/22/2012

The new 52 has been marketing driven.

Hey, kids like movies with big explosions, military videogames and vampires. Let's do comic books with those.

The artwork improved greatly, but they didn't need to throw out the whole history. It's what made people care about the characters. Right now, it's mostly just pretty pictures.

But if now they can't even keep a hack like Liefeld around, their problems keep growing.

by Anonymousreply 23808/22/2012

They're losing Grant Morrison, too.

He's off Action Comics after #16, Batman, Inc after #12 (I bet that ends up canceled), and after two more miniseries projects, Multiversity and that kinky Wonder Woman thing I still doubt will ever see print, he's gone.

I wonder if these are the floodgates opening.

by Anonymousreply 23908/22/2012

I agree that part of the problem with DC's reboot of the new 52 was the loss of so much history. It's like they're starting a brand new company with new characters using old names. I do like part of what they're doing. Glad Barbara Gordon is back as Batgirl. I like the artwork on Aquaman and JLA. The Savage Hawkman lost a lot by moving Hawkman into a character who morphs (for lack of a better word) with his Nth metal. The original Hawkman (old Earth II) was developed around an archeological background. The Earth I Hawkman was extraterrestrial. I guess the new one is suppose to mirror more of the original Earth I Hawkman, but somehow fails to pull it off.

by Anonymousreply 24008/22/2012

Movie news: Anthony Mackie from "The Hurt Locker" has been cast as the Falcon in "Captain America: Winter Soldier."

by Anonymousreply 24108/22/2012

[quote]Compare the New 52 to the post-COIE reboot. Granted that reboot was uneven at times but when it worked it worked very well

My memories of post-COIE is a bit different. I remember much of it being astonishingly unplanned and uneven, and I've felt like DC never stopped rebooting in smaller ways (Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, the mangling of Hawkman's history)

[quote]track down A vs X Infinite #6. It's a sort of side-story issue that Mark Waid wrote, where Scott, questioning his role in everything that happens, goes to the Blue Area of the Moon, to the spot Jean dies, and creates a replica of her out of dust

Thanks VOTN. I went on Comixology and bought the Mark Waid story. Good stuff. I've had my doubts about him ever since I decided to quit Irredeemable while staying with Garth Ennis' The Boys, mostly because I realized I just didn't give a shit about any of the characters in the former, even though they were heroes, but wanted to read more about the latter, even though they were psychos.

I would highly recommend Daredevil. The last four issue, with the Doctor Doom-less Lavteria and the truly shocking revelation about DD, have been great stuff.

[quote]I'm so over the main X-books. They have become so convoluted with time traveling or similar story lines that anyone trying to come on board with them would be lost

I picked up the issue where Northstar joined, and the one after that, because I wanted to see how the gays would be represented, but it was the issue where someone was getting resurrected and managed to fill several boxes with text explaining just how this person had died/been reborn/died again. I thought to myself "fuck this!" and I never read the issue after that. X-Men has gone off the rails.

[quote]Superman and Wonder Woman were basically rebooted completely, but even then, we got their stories from the ground up (particularly with Wonder Woman). We saw their trajectory and their growth

That's because they're rebooting, but not really (Batman/GL), or kinda/sorta (everyone else) and don't want to start from ground zero (but kinda/sorta, as in Justice League and Action). In other words, they're half-assing it, with poor planning, JUST like post-COIE. Sigh.

[quote]And the Legion. I don't know what that book needs, but it needs it fast

Exhibit A in my case for DC's constant rebooting (or maybe it's Exhibit C or D by now). I'm done with the Legion until I know for sure that DC has a version they're going to stick with for more than two years. Crisis fucked that book up, and, sadly, it's stayed fucked up.

I've been hot and cold about Grant Morrison over the years, but lately it's been hot. Any gossip about why he's leaving?

I've been loving his Action Comics, until this recent issue where Superman finished medical school in about ten minutes. Ugh! I like a somewhat limited Man of Steel, and for some reason, the super-genius part bugs me even more than limitless physical power. Maybe Grant can write that silver-age Superman-as-God stuff, but not may others can, and I suspect Grant couldn't do it either for very long.

And can anyone do a No-Prize sort of thing explaining why neither the X-Men nor the Scarlet Witch have restored the powers of all the world's mutants? (or did they?)

[quote]I think the Avengers were upset because they expected them to go crazy all along

EVERYONE knew they were going to go crazy all along, except, of course, for Cyclops, who seems to have forgotten just why the Phoenix is not a good thing to have in the neighborhood.

[quote]So Marvel has killed Young Avengers, The Initiative, and now Avengers Academy? I've enjoyed all three books

Me too. Why does Marvel hate the young?

by Anonymousreply 24208/23/2012

[quote]And can anyone do a No-Prize sort of thing explaining why neither the X-Men nor the Scarlet Witch have restored the powers of all the world's mutants? (or did they?)

Wanda tried--she even managed to give Rictor his powers back--but they Yellow Fear Monstered her into saying that she'd been controlled by some other force, but after she and Doctor Doom (yes, seriously) tried to restart all the mutants' powers, it failed.

That was all in Avengers: Children's Crusade.

by Anonymousreply 24308/23/2012

Maybe the skinny Amanda Waller was inspired by Pam Grier playing her on Smallville.

I like Pam Grier, but she didn't hold a candle to what CCH Pounder did with her on Justice League Unlimited.

by Anonymousreply 24408/23/2012

I can't decide if I now believe that everyone in Marvel editorial is gay, and their laughing their asses off, or no one is, and they're clueless.

Can it be that no one notices that Cyclops' new costume has arrows pointing to his genitals and his ass? Won't someone think of the children?

Picked up an issue of X-Men because I heard Northstar was getting married, but it seems to be the issue before, but holy shit! Northstar and Kyle are so... fucking....BORING!

I remember Northstar from back in the day, and while he was many things, he was never so drippy and tedious. In fact, I remember him being quite an asshole, which beats boring any day.

The guy was a terrorist sympathizer, used his powers to cheat and win a gold medal, and took an unhealthy interest in his sister's sex life, so how could he be such a pill here?

Apparently, the gays are still in the 'Sidney Poitier' stage of our cultural acceptance. I look forward to the day when we too can be jerks and dicks, just like straight folks.

by Anonymousreply 24508/23/2012

Striker, from the soon-to-be-extinct Avengers Academy is a fame-whoring asshole. They had a very tender scene where Julie Power came out to him as a way to him to come out to her, and then in the next issue, he's trying to get his agent to get him a date with Chris Colfer so he can get into the tabloids.

I'll miss him. And I really hope they have plans for Julie.

by Anonymousreply 24608/23/2012

[quote]I like Pam Grier, but she didn't hold a candle to what CCH Pounder did with her on Justice League Unlimited

True. It's a shame she hasn't gotten to play her live action, but if it isn't as well-written as JLU, then there's no point in bothering. Waller and Lex Luthor have never been as complex and compelling as they were in what was supposed to be a kid's cartoon.

I quit Animal Man because I just hate the artwork. It hurts me to look at it.

I quit Batwoman because I just hate the story. I don't enjoy reading it, and I feel icky afterwards, and that bitch who joined the cast, from the secret agency? The one who threatens Batwoman with sending her dad to jail every other page? I want Batwoman to set her on fire and throw her off a roof. Since she hasn't, I'm done.

I keep saying I'm going to drop Stormwatch, but I haven't yet, but I still don't much care for these characters, except Martian Manhunter, who they seem to be in the process of character assassinating. I don't much know, or much care about anyone else. I don't get the relationship between Apollo and Midnighter (I wish they would just call him Midnight. MidnightER? Ugh!) As presented, they seem to be a couple because they're goth gay and in each other's vicinity; I'd like a little more than that. as presented, Apollo is such a goody-goody, so what is he doing with Midnighter, who seems to be an unrepentant sociopath? Yeah, opposites attract, but I still don't see why. It's gone soon, I swear.

I keep thinking I'll want to drop Red Lanterns, but for some reason I'm drawn back again and again, and I still find these rageaholics more compelling than anyone in Stormwatch.

I've never picked up a single issue of The Hulk featuring Red Hulk, because I thought the whole idea was fucking stupid, and I'm offended that any of the gamma-enhanced aren't green, as God intended, but I confess that I've enjoyed Red She Hulk in Defenders (which I also just dropped because of the art, only to find out it's cancelled). I just don't see how she's all that different from Green She Hulk. What role does she fill that Jennifer Walters doesn't?

I also really liked the recent Avengers featuring Red Hulk. It made his character, motives and skill set so unique that I now sort of want to see more. I was disturbed by two things though: he says he might have more military experience than Captain America, but of course he does. He's been in the army for thirty or forty years, while Cap fought three or four years in WWII, then got frozen, then got thawed out 7-10 years ago in Shifting Marvel Time. No contest. If I know that, shouldn't the character? The other thing that disturbed me? The disappearing and reappearing mustache. Somehow, that seems wrong.

Reading these other Hulks reminded me of the last Leonard Samson appearance by Warren Ellis in Thunderbolts. That was a Doc Samson I'd love to read again, but I guess it's not to be.

by Anonymousreply 24708/23/2012

If anyone's wondering, the above should read 'both gay,' not 'goth gay.' Makes more sense doesn't it?

[quote]Striker, from the soon-to-be-extinct Avengers Academy is a fame-whoring asshole

Right you are, and I knew that, I was just so focused on my rant that I forgot the poor little fame-whore. It also occurs to me that Midnighter also violates my Sidney Poitier theory, so I guess I'll shut up about it.

by Anonymousreply 24808/23/2012

[quote]I keep saying I'm going to drop Stormwatch, but I haven't yet

I keep saying the same thing. I think I've hung on because the early issues were really what overrode my earlier skepticism about the whole New 52 thing, but then they yanked Paul Cornell right the hell off it and I just don't think Peter Milligan is the right fit for the book creatively, but it seems from Rob Liefield's comments that they're being written by committee anyway.

I think I might be done with Batwoman, too. Although that kills me, because I wanted so badly for the book to succeed. I just don't want to see it as a team book, and now they're pairing her with Wonder Woman? I don't get it.

Justice League Dark actually IS better under Jeff Lemire, so no complaints there.

I'm still feeling out Earth-2. I want to like it, and I think it has the potential to go somewhere interesting, but I don't know if I trust the DC editors to let the story Robinson wants to tell be told. Also, someone needs to tell Robinson to cut back on the captioning and interior monologs.

by Anonymousreply 24908/23/2012

Since Earth 2 is a limited series, I'll stick it out to the end. It's sort of interesting, but I keep thinking that I miss the real JSA every time I read it.

I'm also hanging on to Stormwatch, but mostly just out of loyalty to who the characters used to be. That seems to be happening to me in a lot of books.

Does anyone know how much longer they're going to let Legion Lost hang on before cancellation?

by Anonymousreply 25008/24/2012

I was under the impression that Earth 2 is a continuing series, not limited.

I'm glad to see someone else hates the art in Animal Man. I've read a lot of critical huzzahs for it and have wondered what I'm missing.

I'm in the same boat with Stormwatch. Don't know why I'm still reading it.

by Anonymousreply 25108/24/2012

Unless something has changed, Earth-2 was launched as a new continuing series in the second wave of titles.

Stormwatch must sell really well digitally, because it certainly doesn't sell well in print. So they must either be keeping it around because they need the characters for some specific purpose, or they're going to end up canceling it in the next round. Or, maybe like us they keep meaning to cancel it, but keep forgetting.

by Anonymousreply 25208/24/2012

I thought I read that Earth 2 was a six issue miniseries, but I could be wrong. The idea that it's an ongoing makes more sense, given the pace of the story so far.

by Anonymousreply 25308/24/2012

Why don't I have faith in the foundation of the New 52? Because it spewed forth from the same man that got Jim Shooter on Legion, encouraged him to make his own Superboy, then once accomplished, changed his mind; because this is the same man who decided to kill Nightwing, then switched it last minute to Superboy - and combined with the arbitrary aging of Bart Allen - derailed the previously successful relaunch of the Teen Titans; because this is the same man that let the Teen Titans title flounder for three years; because this is the same man that was going to relaunch Adventure as a Legion comic, then a Superboy comic, then launched it as a Superboy comic with a Legion backup, and within six months, made it a Legion comic; because this is the same man who took the very popular Wally West - arguably the most successful legacy character in two decades and sent him off to limbo, replaced him, brought him back with a family in tow and when that didn't work, brought back Barry Allen, promised us a title with Wally in it AND a Kid Flash title (both of which never materialized), then decided that Barry needed the spotlight alone for a while to re-establish him, and once again shunted Wally off to limbo - and now non-existence; because this is the same man that brought back Supergirl and let her title flounder for almost two years under constantly rotating creative teams and directions.

Under all these decisions (and more), you see a man that has no set plan, no real direction, someone who changes his mind with a change in the wind - and he's leading a company with the same wishy-washy attitude. If reports are to be believed (and there are too many to ignore), then this same lack of a real direction - lack of real plan - is what the hastily conceived New 52 was launched under. We've already got several titles that have changed parts or all of their creative team once or twice, and have changed direction already in UNDER a year. The foundation of the New 52 is not strong enough -not coherent enough (what, there was a Teen Titans previously with Garth, Vic, etc.; oh, there wasn't; there may have been; what?) - to have faith that this relaunch is anything other than an incoherent mess (in both execution and DC universe building). In that, the New 52 is a perfect reflection of Dan Didio.

by Anonymousreply 25408/24/2012

If you want to read what Stormwatch could be like, pick up I, Vampire this week. Best Stormwatch I've seen in a while.

And I just dropped Stormwatch, Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, Ravagers and Supergirl - and Nightwing is on the bubble (Batgirl has been relegated to "depends on the story that month").

The various Bat titles, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonder Woman are safe for now.

Justice League, Teen Titans, Legion Lost and Legion are hanging in there, more on the HOPE they get better than the reality of what the titles are today.

by Anonymousreply 25508/24/2012

Question for r254! I agree with everything you said but the question I have is why does Dan Didio still have a job?

by Anonymousreply 25608/24/2012

Because his real job is not about publishing good comics, it's about making sure that DC is just profitable enough that the parent company can make a lot of money making movies off its properties.

Although given that they've not had the greatest track record at doing that of late, I would argue he's not even doing THAT job particularly well.

by Anonymousreply 25708/24/2012

So r257, is there a chance (hope, hope, hope) that he could be replaced before the end of the year?

by Anonymousreply 25808/24/2012

I doubt it, because at least for the moment, DC has managed to keep pace with Marvel in terms of overall sales. The last month for which there are sales data, which was July, DC was just fractionally ahead of Marvel. If I'm parsing the numbers right, the reason for that is that with the two events that they're running right now, Before Watchmen and A vs X, Before Watchmen has given DC multiple titles that have sold well. A vs X has also sold well, but only really in the main story. None of the tie-ins have really lead to much sales lift--in fact, the best-selling of the X-books was Astonishing, and that was the Northstar wedding issue.

The situation right now is that DC has about a dozen top-selling titles, all the usual suspects, Justice League, Batman, Superman, etc. The problem is, that once you get out of the top twenty-five, the rest of their line performs anywhere from middling to pitiful. Marvel's books are all over the middle of the charts, and DC's numbers really start to dwindle. The worst-selling title of the Big Two for July was Captain Atom #11, which of course has been canceled, but barely sold more than the remaining Vertigo titles.

So, really, the only thing the New 52 has really managed to accomplish, apart from pissing off fans, is giving a sales boost to comics that would have been their high-sellers anyway.

DC might try and spin the situation as a smashing success for themselves, but the numbers don't really lie.

I think it's far more likely that we're going to see them start to undo the relaunch than DiDio getting replaced.

by Anonymousreply 25908/24/2012

Interesting VotN. I believe that the hope is growing that DC goes back to the pre-Flashpoint continuity. Is that what you mean by undoing the New 52 relaunch?

by Anonymousreply 26008/24/2012

Yep. They denied up and down that they hadn't left themselves any backdoors, but I'm sure there's at least one or two.

What surprises me about the whole situation is that Marvel is emulating it with Marvel NOW. The fact that there's emulation doesn't surprise me; that's part and parcel to the industry. And the MU does need a shake-up, so I guess why not make an event out of it.

by Anonymousreply 26108/24/2012

There was that random woman who showed up in every one of the #1 issues for the new 52. Speculation at the time was that she was part of a contingency plan/backdoor in case they decided to go ahead and undo everything.

by Anonymousreply 26208/24/2012

Gosh it wasn't Harbinger, was it?

by Anonymousreply 26308/24/2012

No, it was Pandora - looking to be heavily featured in the new Phantom Stranger series by Dan Didio.

by Anonymousreply 26408/24/2012

Originally I ordered all the New 52 to check them out (I live in a rural area so use a mail order company). I've dropped a lot of them already with the most recent being All-Star Western, Swamp Thing, and Animal Man. Legion Lost, Dial H and Batwoman are right on the cusp. I'd add JLI in there but it's going to be canceled anyway.

I like Legion, JLA, Aquaman, Action, Superman, Batgirl, and Earth-II.

Titles that I find "okay" are Justice League Dark, Green Arrow, and Hawkman.

I'm looking forward to The Phantom Stranger and Amethyst.

by Anonymousreply 26508/24/2012

[quote]DC has about a dozen top-selling titles, all the usual suspects, Justice League, Batman, Superman, etc.

So my pretend husband, Aquaman, can now be considered a best-selling 'usual suspect?' Sweet!

Love that Geoff Johns has made AM an ass-kicking superhero without an beard, a hook, or a Namor-lite attitude, but there's nothing he's doing that he couldnt have done anyway.

In fact, with GL and Bats untouched by this mess, the only one with anything to lose is Wonder Woman. I like her new direction, including that she now has a sperm donor, like the rest of us. It adds something to the character for me. How many of us had mothers who pretended we were an Immaculate Conception?

But they can 90% of the way back but keep WW's new backstory and stash Storm Watch on their own Earth, where they can proceed to get all Authority on the locals. THAT could be a movie.

But what do we know? We're just the readers.

[quote]sure there's at least one or two

Batman and Flash KNOW they're in an alternate reality. Someone put it quite well in another thread: knowing that, why aren't they doing something about it?

by Anonymousreply 26608/24/2012

I'd just like to add one thing I really appreciate a out the relaunch: Superman and Batman lost the underwear-on-the-outside look. That alone almakes makes all the pain worth it.

Almost.

by Anonymousreply 26708/24/2012

Always been more of a DC guy.

I love the new Wonder Woman book, as well as Justice League Dark and Birds of Prey, even if Black Canary's new costume is beyond fugly.

I have been disappointed in both of the Legion books. I was a huge fan back in the day, but the new run is just, well, boring.

Also not a fan of the new JLA..especially since WW seems like a totally different character from how she is depicted in her own book.

I plan to catch up with Aquaman in the trade collection. Also looking forward to the return of Phantom Stranger and Amethyst. Now if we could just have Donna Troy back!

by Anonymousreply 26808/25/2012

[quote]Now if we could just have Donna Troy back!

And Garth, and most of all, Wally West. I still can't understand the thinking behind erasing what one poster described as the most successful legacy character. That's it, he's just gone, though he was the superior Flash. Barry Allen should have remained the patron saint of the DC universe: noble, tragic and dead. In fact, it would be great if the relaunch required him to sacrifice himself AGAIN, so Wally could take his place as the rightful Flash.

DC editorial, feel free to do just that.

by Anonymousreply 26908/25/2012

I despise the New 52 and I've been reading DC since the original Justice League's 100th issue with the Iron Hand!!

I thought the last couple of years things were really going well with the books.

I miss the Suicide Squad with Deadshot and Scandal, the Birds of Prey run by Oracle, and, like everyone else, Wally West who was a better Flash than Barry Allen ever was.

And GL seems to be continuing from Blackest Night but doesn't seem to be the GL from Justice League.

Legion seems to be the Legion from the Old universe but I'm not sure.

I miss the Titans, the real Titans; the first ones and the last ones with the Superboy/Wonder Girl romance.

Why is Zatanna always dressed like a hooker?

I miss the original JLI. In this new universe, does that mean that Ted Kord never existed?

I hate what they've done.

by Anonymousreply 27008/25/2012

I miss Secret Six.

by Anonymousreply 27108/25/2012

It doesn't seem like the New 52 will last that long before they have to do a re-boot of the re-boot.

I do wish DC had dumped Bruce Wayne's "son", Damian. They should have kept Tim Drake as Robin or had Dick Grayson become younger. He almost seems as old as Bruce Wayne, yet Speedy as portrayed in the Red Hood book seems much younger. It really seems as if they've just started out with new characters with old names. Sadly, gone is the rich DC history.

by Anonymousreply 27208/25/2012

I'm still confused on how they kept Green Lantern continuity intact. How did the Sinestro Corps War go without the Anti Monitor or Superboy Prime? How did Blackest Night happen without hundreds of dead heroes and villains?

by Anonymousreply 27308/26/2012

For some reason DC has always seen continuity as the enemy of their books and movies - so they just keep retelling the origin stories over and over again. Continuity is what keeps people reading. And now with this latest relaunch, they're simply pretending that "things" vaguely happened in their history, but won't actually address it - apparently thinking that this will entice the casual reader.

No, see the way it works is that a group has been together for a bit, they reference a history, I get interested in that history, and then I go seek out those stories. Instead you've made a weird history-less soup that rarely makes any sense.

But shiny new costumes!

by Anonymousreply 27408/26/2012

Secret Six was one of the, if not the, best book they had going before the relaunch. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

by Anonymousreply 27508/26/2012

Secret Six was simply amazing - although I was ready for a cast shake up by the end, and thought Black Alice was one of the worst ideas of the entire series.

by Anonymousreply 27608/26/2012

Un til the new 52 I had always bought more comics published by DC then Marvel. With this rebooted continuity and the changes to characters I am now only reading Aquaman, Green Lantern books and Justice League. I dropped Titans this month which will make the first time since beginning to read comics that I have not read Titans.

Of course they can reboot the old continuity, but I think the problem with that would not be Didio. We know he changes month to month. Johns and Lee, in their new positions, are likelier the reasons DC stays the course. Both have tremendous creative control and in the past year have been the most vocal supporters of the New 52. The reason why Stormwatch is not cancelled probably has more to do with Lee’s role and nothing to do with sales.

by Anonymousreply 27708/26/2012

I understand that Suicide Squad is an easier concept to make into a movie rather than Secret Six, but I miss Secret Six very, very much.

Can’t understand why DC couldn’t publish 2 villain books.

by Anonymousreply 27808/27/2012

It was announced today that replacing JLI will be a new Justice League OF America book. Are you ready for the line-up?

Martian Manhunter (guess he's leaving Stormwatch) Green Arrow Hawkman Katana Catwoman Stargirl Vibe (Vibe???????) Green Lantern of Space Sector 2814.5 Steve Trevor

My thoughts. Okay, I'm happy to have Manhunter, Arrow, and Hawkman back in the JLA and I've always loved Catwoman in anything.

But, Stargirl is dressed exactly as she was in JSA but how is that possible? Her powers come from Starman and Stripesy who don't exist in the NU52 Earth.

Vibe? Seriously, Vibe????

Steve Trevor??

I'll give it a chance.

by Anonymousreply 27908/27/2012

Since the Shade takes place on the main DC earth, it stands to reason that Starman resides there as well.

by Anonymousreply 28008/27/2012

Except there is no Justice Society on the new 52 Earth so therefore there was no Starman in the Justice Society to have sons to become the second and third Starman to give the star-rod to Stargirl. Along with that, there would've been no Star-Spangled Kid which is another direct legacy to Stargirl.

by Anonymousreply 28108/27/2012

The new JLA lineup looks interesting.

Glad Johns is writing Hawkman again, since he seems to be the only one who can. Hopefully, he can also salvage this new Green Arrow.

Writing Vibe is the ultimate challenge in making a returning character interesting.

Steve Trevor looks like he's now DC's Nick Fury.

by Anonymousreply 28208/27/2012

Vibe?!

by Anonymousreply 28308/29/2012

dcnu makes so little sense. i am down to batwoman, justice league (honestly waiting for interest to come), green lantern and starting earth-2.

removing the whole jsa and retrying in the classical old heroes as if they were today would be fine but then bats gl etc have their history, others don't. i don't see how it can last but its so large, it kind of has to

and now we have a vs x, marvel now coming and the uncanny avengers or some such rot at marvel......

by Anonymousreply 28408/29/2012

Can't wait to see Supes and Wonder Woman "do it".

by Anonymousreply 28508/29/2012

Fascinating discussion here.

I grew up a DC Boy, Legion being my favorite title. I got burned badly by COIE. Felt like they were spitting in my face after my years of loyalty and painstakingly learning the continuity. I gradually dropped titles until finally letting go of Legion in the early 90s.

Came back to comics and DC about 2004-2005 with Identity Crisis and then Final Crisis. Liked what I was seeing and the company seemed to be flirting with restoring everything to pre-COIE. That gave me such hope.

A couple of years ago, money got too tight to keep buying comics. But now that money is more plentiful, I've been thinking about getting back into some DC titles.

But hearing everyone talk about getting burned by the New 52 and how haphazard and unplannned the whole thing is, just brings back such painful memories of post COIE.

So, I'm saving my money and swearing off DC for good. I'm not going to support a company that treats its loyal readers and its history with such disrespect.

Burn me once, shame on you. Burn me twice, shame on me.

I think the most shameful thing in this whole situation is the renumbering of Action and Detective. Both titles had over 800 issues behind them, 75 years of history. How much more disrespectful can you get to your history than to restart it to #1. At least after COIE that numbering stayed intact.

by Anonymousreply 28608/29/2012

DC and Marvel have both been disappointing for quite some time. The New 52 does offer a few gems but overall the re-boot is a huge disappointment. Marvel's lineup isn't much better. The X-books have all jumped the shark.

Marvel vs. DC. It's a pretty close tie at this point in that they both are disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 28709/02/2012

[quote]A couple of years ago, money got too tight to keep buying comics. But now that money is more plentiful, I've been thinking about getting back into some DC titles....But hearing everyone talk about getting burned by the New 52 and how haphazard and unplannned the whole thing is, just brings back such painful memories of post COIE

I wrote the complaints about Crisis and I take nothing back, but I feel I should comment on this.

I too have been low on cash over the years and stuck with hard choices at times. I've been reading the New 52 now that finances are stable, and while I love the puzzle-pieces of continuity, I think a good story is a good story, regardless. Titles like Dark Knight Returns, Kingdom Come and Watchmen are must-reads, with few ties to continuity. Of course, nothing this last year compares to those legendary tales, but there's still some good stuff to be found among the collected editions. I've bought Batman, Action, Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Green Lantern, and I may buy Swamp Thing and Batwoman (in her case, only for the art). Swearing off an entire class of books may cause you to miss some good stuff, and no reader should deny themselves a good story backed with good art.

I will NOT buy the collected editions of Stormwatch because I can't understand why I'm still buying the damn book at all.

by Anonymousreply 28809/05/2012

I didn't get the appeal of the DK movies. Heath Ledger was the only interesting thing in that movie. The last DK was pretty meh and repetitive. I like Iron Man and The Avengers. Great actors, witty and great story/writing.

by Anonymousreply 28909/05/2012

VOTN - please come back. I really regret my earlier comments that you posted too much.

by Anonymousreply 29009/05/2012

R288--don't worry about "Stormwatch". The current "first" edition of the new reboot makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. No action except for convoluted past history. The other "first new" issues of "Animal Man" and "Earth 2" were equal in their level of suck-i-tude. If these titles are any indication of the quality of the rest of the new line, then DC is in DEEP trouble.

With regards to Marvel, the issue of "X Factor" which came out today was the best issue ever in that series, including the "coming out episode" for the "Rictorstar" pairing. We finally get to know why Lorna has been perhaps the most unstable female mutant character, and that includes Wanda. She learns the hard way that the past should remain in the past.

by Anonymousreply 29109/05/2012

Yeah, I think Stormwatch #0 was enough to finally push me over the edge.

And Earth-2 #0 proves that 95% of my interest in the title is Nicola Scott's art.

by Anonymousreply 29209/05/2012

I'm picking up this week's books today, but the comments above about the zero issues don't really fill me with hope.

I'm curious about X-Factor, too. I always assumed that Lorna was unstable from being possessed by Malice and then filled with the magnetic thought patterns of all the dead Genoshans. Does the issue reveal something else?

by Anonymousreply 29309/06/2012

Bump! So what are the chances of DC hitting the backspace button on this half-ass "reboot" to return to the Pre-Flashpoint continuity?

by Anonymousreply 29409/12/2012

I think it's more likely that DC will tease us with the possibility of a rollback, but not follow through.

In related news, so far none of the #0 issues have seemed really necessary or relevant to the titles. Is there a point to them?

by Anonymousreply 29509/12/2012

r295, I'm not surprised to hear that about the #0 issues. This could've been an opportunity to better explain this continuity, particularly in regards to the significant changes made to the characters and/or what major character moments was unchanged from the Pre-Flashpoint continuity As usual though, DiDio, Johns, and company have proven once again they're pulling this whole "reboot" out of their ass.

by Anonymousreply 29609/12/2012

Anyone else felt let down by the deathin AvX 11? It lacked.... something... it seemed off

by Anonymousreply 29709/12/2012

Another crossover among the Teen Titans-Superboy-Legion Lost-Ravagers group after the abomination that was the Culling.

It's like DC wants me to stop getting Legion Lost, even though I have gotten every Legion comic since 1978.

by Anonymousreply 29809/12/2012

can someone spoil a vs x?

by Anonymousreply 29909/12/2012

Go here if you want AvX spoiled

by Anonymousreply 30009/12/2012

That's not the death I thought we were getting out of this. I thought it would be Emma.

by Anonymousreply 30109/12/2012

I'm not surprised who was marked for execution, given that the character was pretty much ignored the past few years. Still, the event does have a certain mythological resonance. Theoretically, the death should haunt the X-Men for years to come. But it probably won't. Even though Marvel is claiming this is "permanent," you know the character will be back, probably to coincide with a new X-Men movie.

R298: I finally gave up on Legion Lost, after collecting Legion titles almost as long as you have. I just couldn't do it anymore.

by Anonymousreply 30209/13/2012

r298, r302. Dropping Legion was one of the hardest things I ever did, but it just became too painful to keep reading it.

The Legion of today is a pale, pale incarnation compared to its heyday of the 60s, 70s and 80s.

No other hero/group has suffered more from the rebooting following COIE than Legion. And every attempt to fix it just makes it worse.

by Anonymousreply 30309/13/2012

I don't think the X-Men can kill anyone anymore and have it actually resonate. They've all died at least once already, haven't they?

by Anonymousreply 30409/13/2012

I cry for the Legion. That title was my favorite of the 80's even more so than the Teen Titans. The combo of Levtiz and Giffen (and some others in between) was perfect.

Then we got five years later and that was okay.

Then the complete reboot, which honestly didn't fully click with me until the Blight storyline and the addition of Coipel on art.

Then Mark Waid's complete reboot - and while i've loved Waid on many a title, his Legion always feels flat. I thought Jim Shooter's run on this version was actually pretty fun, although still not quite getting to the perfect, right spot.

When they brought back the original Legion, I thought "finally - they are going to get it right."

But, Levitz has been incredibly flat himself this time around since taking over (even before the reboot). I think part of it is the art, which is good but uninspiring - but can be fixed; Jiminez's run with Levitz on Adventure featuring the Legion was the best of Levitz' run so far, so the right combo can make this title work. The stories though feature so much dull talking and so much generic action - there just isn't any energy or life to the stories.

I'm still hanging on but you would think, with all the flipping and flopping of writers and art teams, someone would have figured out the Levitz needs the right artist to make this series pop - and they haven't found the right combo yet. Thing is, they aren't even trying.

by Anonymousreply 30509/13/2012

Great dynamic artwork really helps Legion work.

Most of the members point and shoot their powers at the enemy without physically engaging them, so an artist really needs a dynamic style for the stories to work.

Jiminez and Perez were the most recent best artists.

by Anonymousreply 30609/13/2012

Alright, Batwoman, we've had a good run, but I think #0 was enough for me. You tried so hard to make me like you, but when you spend the first page talking about how you're fighting demigods now, I realize that what I liked about the book is gone and probably isn't coming back.

by Anonymousreply 30709/19/2012

Has anyone seen the Ravagers #0? There were many more shirtless panels of Beast Boy and Thunder than in an issue of Camili-Cat? Check out the very last scene of Beast Boy. He's displaying more flesh than Terra than Caitlin "Cans" Fairchild.

The latest issue of "Avengers Academy" was the SHIT. Props to the writers for making a great revenge fantasy. Won't spoil it here but they need to make Mettle the "new Colossus". This so-called kid has more balls than the Russian wimp and Finesse proved that she is more if a Wolverine than his own "daughter" Laura.

by Anonymousreply 30809/19/2012

You're absolutely right about Avengers Academy.

I unexpectedly loved this series from the get-go, am sorry to see it end, but I'm glad it's going out with a bang.

I was also impressed by the final issue of Spider-Men. It didn't quite have the punch in the gut that #4 did, but it was still a terrific little series, and ended with a tease that we might be meeting Miles Morales-616 in the future.

by Anonymousreply 30909/19/2012

"Avengers Academy" was awesome. I really, really hope we see some of these characters elsewhere, if not all of them.

DC's #0 issues continue to be a big pile of nothing. None of the ones that I've read so far have really contributed anything of importance to the title.

by Anonymousreply 31009/19/2012

[quote]I really, really hope we see some of these characters elsewhere, if not all of them.

We'll be seeing some of them in "Avengers Arena", a Hunger Games knockoff that sounds dreadful.

by Anonymousreply 31109/20/2012

I just looked up info on "Avengers Arena", and it looks awful. If I wanted to read a bunch of pointless character deaths I would go look for whatever companywide disaster epic Geoff Johns is pushing at the moment. Since we all know X-23 will survive, it pastes an even bigger target on the rest of the cast.

by Anonymousreply 31209/20/2012

So, it's Reptil, Hazmat, Mettle, X-23, Juston and his Sentinel from Avengers Academy, Chase and Nico from Runaways, Darkhawk, and Drax's little sidekick, Cammi.

That really does sound like a piece of poo.

by Anonymousreply 31309/20/2012

Cammi? Has she been in anything since the Drax series?

[quote]You tried so hard to make me like you, but when you spend the first page talking about how you're fighting demigods now,

I only got the first 4 issues and realized I really don't care about all that Crime Bible hocus pocus. Is the series still about all that BS?

by Anonymousreply 31409/20/2012

Rucka on DC:

"I gave seven very good years to DC and they took gross advantage of me. That’s partially my fault, but not entirely. At this point, I see no reason why I should have to put up with that, I can sink or swim on my own. You are seeing a grotesque Hollywoodisation of the two main companies."

by Anonymousreply 31509/20/2012

I heard two podcast interviews where Greg Rucka emphatically stated that he was pulled off of the Wonder Woman book against his wishes. He loves the character, loved writing for her, and had plenty more story to tell, particularly in regards to the Sacrifice (WW breaks Max Lord’s neck) storyline. It’s a shame because along with George Perez and Phil Jimenez, he was one of the best WW writers ever and his run on her book was awesome. I think he never fully got over that.

by Anonymousreply 31609/20/2012

I think the only major dud with Rucka's run was Veronica Cale. She always seemed like a too deliberate attempt at creating a female Lex Luthor for Wonder Woman, and never really came together as a nemesis.

by Anonymousreply 31709/20/2012

[quote]Cammi? Has she been in anything since the Drax series?

I think the last thing she officially appeared in was the last issue of Annihilation when she was off with Thanos' annoying little fairy thing. I guess they needed another cosmic character and she was all they had.

[quote]I only got the first 4 issues and realized I really don't care about all that Crime Bible hocus pocus. Is the series still about all that BS?

If anything, it's worse.

I actually didn't mind the Religion of Crime stuff, because it was, during Elegy at least, something that was unique. But then once Rucka got booted and they gave the whole thing over to Jim Williams, who had NO idea what to do with it, and it was more than a little similar to what Grant Morrison had going on over in Batman (and I think even more similar than that to the Court of Owls stuff that's come up since).

Anyway, the second arc really tested my patience, because they not only suddenly had Batwoman, solo, tortured avenger of the children of Gotham, blackmailed into working for that horrible dyke-y secret agent woman. What made it exponentially worse was that, at least as it started, it had very nice, clean art from Amy Reeder, who was fired after about two issues, replaced with a guy named Trevor McCarthy who has a mighty thin resume and made what had been, under both Williams and Reeder one of DC's most visually distinctive books BLAND BLAND BLAND. AND on top of that, told the story non-linearly with the focus shifting around from character to character, often on the same page.

Now, she's teaming up with Wonder Woman, and I'm finished.

The story they should have been telling? It's the one Darwyn Cooke (of all people) cooked up for the Silhouette in Before Watchmen: Minutemen.

by Anonymousreply 31809/20/2012

I was really looking forward to an Amy Reeder Batwoman, and when I heard she was booted so soon I lost interest in trying to pick the book back up.

by Anonymousreply 31909/21/2012

BUMP! Since the revamped DC Comics site closed the message board, can anyone recommend a good DC Comics related message board elsewhere?

by Anonymousreply 32010/02/2012

Thus endeth A vs X.

Our Scarlet Witch fans will be delighted.

by Anonymousreply 32110/03/2012

I was pleased with the ending of A vs. X. Quite pleased!

by Anonymousreply 32210/03/2012

Don't be coy - spill.

by Anonymousreply 32310/03/2012

Anyone else feel let down by the ending of AvX?

by Anonymousreply 32410/03/2012

[quote]Don't be coy - spill.

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After realizing there's no way science can defeat the Dark Phoenix, Tony Stark gets Wanda and Hope to team up. The Avengers almost lose, but at the last minute, Hope manages to pull the Phoenix out of Scott. She is also the only person strong enough to let it go, which in turn restarts the mutant genes that were turned off by House of M. Scott ends up in prison (made entirely of ruby quartz, reminiscent of Magneto's plastic prison), the remaining Phoenix Five are on the lam, and Cap realizes that the Avengers have given mutants the short shrift, and so decides to put together a team of both Avengers and X-Men.

I think it's great, because they finished Wanda's redemption that got started in Children's Crusade. She got to save the world and help fix the damage she caused. Good ending.

I frankly wish the rest of the story had deserved that ending, but I give Jason Aaron a lot of credit for being able to bring it around like that.

by Anonymousreply 32510/03/2012

So, does anyone have any Marvel NOW! titles they're looking forward to?

I'm probably going to try Uncanny Avengers, if for no other reason than John Cassaday's art. Matt Fraction's take on FF seems like it could be fun, although Fantastic Four sounds a little less so.

Otherwise, a lot of the stuff, particularly what Keiron Gillen seems to be setting up in Iron Man looks like of...well, 90s EXTREME!!!!

by Anonymousreply 32610/04/2012

The latest "Avengers Academy" only confirmed that it's probably the best "young hero" group since the late Seventies Byrne/Claremont golden years of the X-Men. Awesome writing and great commentary about the place of gay heroes on a superpowered team. It's even more bittersweet that the book will be no more after the next edition. Big mistake on Marvel's part and they've pissed off a lot of the fans by announcing a "Battle Royale/Hunger Games" rip off to replace it.

The new issue of "Animal Man" was some great but SICK shit. Poor Buddy. He's in deep red shit.

"Stormwatch" and "Earth 2" were good and notable in the way the gay content were simply part of the book and not the usual "Oh look, he's got a boyfriend" stunt. Both well done...and Midnighter in civvies is hot-to-death.

by Anonymousreply 32710/04/2012

YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!

Keiron Gillan and Jamie McKelvie are bringing back Young Avengers as part of Marvel NOW!

Hulkling, Wiccan, and Hawkeye are returning, along with Marvel Boy, Kid Loki, and Miss America from their Vengeance series.

Art can't live up to Jim Cheung's but I'll take what I can get.

This is the best Marvel NOW! news I've heard yet.

by Anonymousreply 32810/11/2012

Uncanny Avengers was interesting. Everyone in my shop was talking about "OMG! Last page!" but I didn't find it all that shocking.

The news about Young Avengers is great, and almost (but not quite) makes up for Avengers Academy.

by Anonymousreply 32910/12/2012

YES! YES! YES!

DC is cancelling BLUE BEETLE!!!

Jaime Reyes fails again!

by Anonymousreply 33010/16/2012

DC heroes appear on TV shows that are canceled after a few months. Marvel heroes apprear on blockbuster movies that make gazillion bucks.

by Anonymousreply 33110/16/2012

[quote]Jaime Reyes fails again!

I still think they could have made Jaime work if they'd been more careful in the way they approached it. I know that's true of just about everything DC does, but Marvel managed to replace Ultimate Spider-Man without pissing too many people off. Hell, a lot of people have said that introducing Miles Morales was a breath of fresh air.

by Anonymousreply 33210/16/2012

The really irritating thing is that nobody supported a Ted Kord series back in the day, and then once he was dead he was treated like this amazing character that we were robbed of - uh, no. Compressed air gun. Acrobatics. Pretty much all there was (and I loved that character). Plus, he got to go out tragically! Who doesn't want that for their hero? Jamie's a good kid.

by Anonymousreply 33310/16/2012

There's a really cute ad in Marvel NOW! Point One for the new YA series. It's a "flyer" Teen Loki has given out asking for each of the team members, hints about future team members, and thousands of readers, who are asked to apply for membership at their local comic shop before January 2013.

The whole thing is much better than the previous Point One comic.

So far, we have a time traveler making threats about the future to Nick Fury Jr, Phil Coulson, and Maria Hill (the new team for Secret Avengers), backstory for Starlord that's going to play into the new Guardians of the Galaxy, Loki's very funny attempt to recruit Miss America into his new Young Avengers, a very depressed Scott Lang taking back the mantle of Ant-Man to get revenge on Doctor Doom (to be picked up in Matt Fraction's FF), Forge and Cable together in some post-apocalyptic waste (Cable & X-Force), and our new Nova trying to figure out the whole "hero" thing.

by Anonymousreply 33410/17/2012

Jonathan Hickman is an incredible writer. The new Grant Morrison.

His Avengers will be a must for me. And Rick Remender is even weirder than him, and has Uncanny Avengers and Cap (an inspired choice for that book) with Romita. I'm all over that.

Remender made what seemed like it would be a tacky book, Uncanny X-Force, into demented pop art and a sleeper hit. He made Psylocke an A-lister. Now they have TWO X-Force books with very different teams coming in.

All I know is a line-up that features Psylocke, Mohawk Storm, Puck from Alpha Flight and Spiral is sure to be fun.

by Anonymousreply 33510/17/2012

Peter David delivered a really solid coda to Havok's misadventures as X-Factor's leader. It had the perfect light touch after so much heavy shit.

That, plus Captain Marvel and Hawkeye were exactly what I needed today.

They had Emma Rios doing the art for Captain Marvel. I don't know if that's permanent or it's just a fill-in, but they really should consider making it permanent. There just aren't enough comics at the Big Two with two women creators, and she and Kelly Sue DeConnick really play off each other well.

However, Hawkeye just made my day. It was laugh-out-loud funny. Mostly because of a panel where Clint hooks up with a hot chick and then bad guys...but I can't give it away. And if Keiron Gillan can't make Kate Bishop at least half as awesome as Matt Fraction does, there could be trouble.

by Anonymousreply 33610/17/2012

KIERON Gillen is incredibly talented. Hickman, Gillen and Remender are taking a lot of charge at Marvel these days and they're all very, very good and unique, as is Jason Aaron on Wolverine & The X-Men. Bendis is getting very tired and I don't think his new X-Men book is going to set the world on fire.

Remender's Cap with Romita is a wild and exciting choice. I think it may end up invoking Ann Nocenti's long, avant-garde run on Daredevil post-Frank Miller. I have to re-emphasize that if people haven't read Remender's X-Force they need to. What a flower of what could've been a throwaway book, and owing a lot to Grant Morrison's X-run. The goodhearted young Apocalypse clone - "Evan Sabahnur," raised in a virtual reality based off of Clark Kent and Smallville to prove nuture vs. nature, now a student at Wolverine's school and in Aaron's book - is worth the price of admission alone.

by Anonymousreply 33710/17/2012

I liked the ending of A v X. I enjoyed the entire series. We have been reading Justice League, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and my partner reads Buffy. I never read comics as a kid and now I'm totally geeking out at 45!

...and any word on why DC Nation was cancelled from the line up on Cartoon Network and not coming back on until January?

by Anonymousreply 33810/17/2012

Janet van Dyne - "The Wasp" - returned alive and well in today's issue of the Avengers, fighting a war in the Microverse. She landed smooches on Hank Pym, Cap, Iron Man and Thor. Wonder Man also appears to be getting slowly redeemed from the random hatchet job Bendis did on him. Score!

by Anonymousreply 33910/24/2012

It was great to see Janet again. I don't know why I didn't realize it was her last issue!

This week's issue of FF is a great swan song to Jonathan Hickman's run. Best single-issue superhero comic I'v read in years.

by Anonymousreply 34010/25/2012

What story lines in comics are similar to the whole Jean Grey Phoenix saga(but still not crappy, though)?

by Anonymousreply 34110/25/2012

Excellent conclusion to "Journey Into Mystery". Between this and "Avengers Academy", Marvel has created its best teenaged hero books since the debut of "New Mutants" in 1982. Sorry to see both of these go.

by Anonymousreply 34210/25/2012

r342: The writer of Journey Into Mystery, Kieron Gillen, is relaunching the Young Avengers WITH Loki. I think all is not lost.

by Anonymousreply 34310/25/2012

Comic book fans make their choice for Decision 2012.

by Anonymousreply 34411/05/2012

Most nerds are liberal.

by Anonymousreply 34511/05/2012

The comments on that site are beyond stupid.

[quote]Romney wins 312 electoral votes. Many CBM fans like the freebies. Those of us with jobs supporting the freebies or people looking for jobs want someone who cando it.

[quote]Economics 101 will explain how outsourcing can help domestic growth in business and employment in the long run. It isn't always the big bad evil to outsource jobs, like the media and some would want you to believe. ;-)

by Anonymousreply 34611/05/2012

I’m thinking of buying a tablet, mainly to read books, comics, and coffee shop web surfing. I’m leaning towards the Kindle Fire HD. Any Kindle Fire comic readers out there who can share their opinions. No Apple suggestions. FUCK APPLE! I was interested in an iPad Mini but greedy Apple decided not to compete with Amazon and overpriced a tablet whose screen resolution is not up to par with the Kindle Fire.

by Anonymousreply 34711/07/2012

Incredible mad props to Drew Greenberg and Jane Espenson for adding a gay male slayer to Buffy Season 9, and for doing it so beautifully to boot.

I really thought what was going to grab me today was the first issue of the final chapter of Locke & Key, but Buffy pulled on my heartstrings a little more. Locke & Key was still great, though.

by Anonymousreply 34811/14/2012

The great tumblr, DC Women Kicking Ass, is doing there annual Most Kick Ass woman in DC Comics. Vote for Black Canary...she deserves it!

by Anonymousreply 34911/16/2012

Oooops, "their"...oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 35011/16/2012

Is DC making hay out of the popular "Arrow" TV show? You would think DC would have Green Arrow everywhere, just like it did with Batman while his TV show was running.

by Anonymousreply 35111/16/2012

There's an Arrow digital comic, but that's about it. It probably doesn't help that the Oliver Queen in "Arrow" is pretty far removed from any incarnation of Green Arrow, including the current New 52 version.

by Anonymousreply 35211/16/2012

I really enjoy what Gail Simone is doing with Barbara Gordon in Batgirl. The rest of the new 52 is pretty ordinary.

by Anonymousreply 35311/17/2012

So here we are again. Another event (Marvel’s Ultron event) and rumors of a Marvel continuity reboot. If Marvel wanted to do a reboot, then they would’ve done it at the end of Avengers vs. X-Men? Why go through all this Marvel Now foolishness and then do continuity reboot?

by Anonymousreply 35411/24/2012

i think its just rumors. They wouldn't cart this whole NOW thing and then reboot. NOW seems like their response to DCnU without having to go there. The critical response to DCnU is mixed at best..

by Anonymousreply 35511/24/2012

I'm not enjoying the DCnU. The whole thing, for the most part, seemed liked something Geoff, Jim, and Dan, pulled out of their ass. The only book I read on a monthly basis is Wonder Woman. I'm almost at the point of avoiding DC until they wise up and hit the Pre-Flashpoint reset button.

by Anonymousreply 35611/24/2012

r356

I agree with you. Some characters changed(and usually not for the best) some stayed the same but largely I just don't see the point of the nuDC

by Anonymousreply 35711/24/2012

I was listening to a comic book podcast (yeah, I know...geeky) recently and some of the more ardently pro-DC hosts were saying the latest reboot was absolutely unnecessary and they were leaning towards (horror of horrors) Marvel. The NOW books seem to have captured the fan interest and aside from "Animal Man", "Earth 2" and "Justice League Dark", DC has dropped the ball. Even the reboot of "Stormwatch" is only worth reading fro the not-usually-seen-in-mainstream-comics relation of the out Apollo and the closeted Midnighter. They are smartly making Apollo look like the true hero as Midnighter pushes himself away from their relationship.

I like the new reboot of the 1960's X-men characters travelling to the modern era. it will be cool to see how the 60's characters interact with the modern culturally diverse mutants of today. The 60's pre-blue fur Hank looks damn fine, by the way. I like the new Aussie "time-stopper" chick, but didn't they have a readily available character named Lacuna, an absolute bitch who was a pain in the ass to X-Statix a decade ago?

by Anonymousreply 35811/24/2012

I haven't looked at the stats in a while but initial reports had the DCnU bringing in a 5% new readership. But I have to believe it's decreased with attrition because the New 52 is terrible. I've given up on it. I bought my last title two months ago and haven't looked back.

by Anonymousreply 35911/24/2012

[quote]I was listening to a comic book podcast (yeah, I know...geeky)

Which do you listen to? I imagine to a non-fan it's like listening to the dullest sports radio broadcast (at least I have no idea how anyone could listen to sports talk), but I love listening to people talk about comics who know what they're talking about, and aren't afraid to be critical. CBR and Newsarama can be a little too ass-kissey.

by Anonymousreply 36011/25/2012

R347, just get a full sized iPad. I did and love it. No point in reading comics on a smaller screen if you don't have to.

by Anonymousreply 36111/25/2012

There are rumors going around now that we're going to see Wasp in Iron Man 3.

A (beautiful) French actress named Stephanie Szostak is in the cast, but her part hasn't been revealed yet. Considering the internets figured out Marion Cotillard was playing Talia al Ghul months before The Dark Knight Rises was released, despite vigorous denials from the producers and Cotillard herself, I'm thinking this is likely correct.

by Anonymousreply 36211/26/2012

[quote]I like the new Aussie "time-stopper" chick, but didn't they have a readily available character named Lacuna, an absolute bitch who was a pain in the ass to X-Statix a decade ago?

Or they could have revived Sway from the "Deadly Genesis" team, where all the girls died and all the boys survived.

by Anonymousreply 36311/28/2012

R345...sadly most comic book fans, at this point, are not liberal. A lot of middle aged ditto heads read comics. Which is why books like new52 Wonder Woman are now being written from a right wing perspective.

by Anonymousreply 36411/28/2012

Ah, X-Statix. You were just too good for this world. Biting satire and a real shot in the arm to the X Franchise. X Factor has kind of taken over that role, but that group is so freaking mopey all the time.

by Anonymousreply 36511/28/2012

[quote]Which is why books like new52 Wonder Woman are now being written from a right wing perspective.

Curious. Can you explain?

by Anonymousreply 36611/28/2012

I think Azarello's Wonder Woman is the most interesting she's been in years, and one of the few books at the new DC I bother to give the time of the day.

Butthurt Internet fangirls don't like it because it's not Greg Rucka or their fanfic version of the character they have woven in their heads.

by Anonymousreply 36711/28/2012

A JLA movie will surely feature the seven "original" members: Aquaman, Batman, Flash (Barry Allen), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), J'onn J'onnz, Superman and Wonder Woman. However, if I had the power to do so, I would drop JJ and replace him with Green Arrow (Oliver Queen).

by Anonymousreply 36811/28/2012

I'm not sure they'd ever figure out how to explain a lot of these characters - but they should really just do what the Avengers did, throw them into action and let the audience figure it out.

by Anonymousreply 36911/28/2012

I think we need to consider making Matt Fraction an honorary gay man.

In the pages of the first issue of his run on FF, we're introduced to the temporary Fantastic Four who will be running the Future Foundation while FF-Classic is off on their cross-dimensional road trip. Each member recruits his or her own replacement. Reed convinces a reluctant Scott Lang to be the leader, Sue goes to Attilan to convince Medusa to take her place, Ben gets She-Hulk to come back to the team (and she's even a little insulted that he even needed to ask her), and Johnny...well, Johnny forgets until the last minute, and ends up getting his celebutante girlfriend. She's going to using a robotic Thing suit that Reed built for Ben during one of the periods where he was stuck as a human, and is going to use the code name...wait for it...Miss Thing.

For all you X-Statix fans, Mike Allred is doing the art.

by Anonymousreply 37011/29/2012

367, you must be a simpleton. Azzarello's run reads like a children's story for dittoheads' kids. It's ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 37111/30/2012

366, the original WW was basically liberal and feminist propaganda. Criminals should be reformed, women should be strong and confident, etc. Azzarello's WW is portrayed as "naive" because she's against torture and slavery. The Amazons have gone from loving sisters to a race of man-hating barbarians, a complete right-wing stereotype about powerful women. The female supporting cast has all been replaced with butch men. WW no longer gets her powers from the Goddesses, she gets them from her father Zeus, who is literally the Greek symbol of patriarchy. When WW goes to free the male Amazons from Hephaestus' slavery, they tell her they love him and are indebted to him and want to remain his slaves. When she protests that the streets of Hades are literally made up of human beings souls, she's told that they want it this way and are not oppressed. It's basically WW as written by Dick Cheney.

by Anonymousreply 37211/30/2012

Yeah, okay, r372. Go back to the obese crones at scans_daily.

by Anonymousreply 37311/30/2012

I guess I can see where you're coming from, R372, but I don't agree. I have especailyl liked that the Amazons have been made into a war-hardened tribe of women. For people trained to fight from day one the previous incarnations of the Amazons have never been war-like enough for me.

I will say that it doesn't feel as if enough of Diana's personality is coming through in the current series. I really like how she was written under Simone. All that stuff by JMS was a waste of time.

by Anonymousreply 37411/30/2012

If you get a change to see the tour of BATMAN LIVE, do. Although it is really for kids, the story is good and really cool acrobatics and effects.

by Anonymousreply 37511/30/2012

DC may have brought in new characters, but they're losing old ones. I've been reading DC Comics for over thirty years, however, with the re-boot I find myself dropping more titles all the time.

With the Bat Family re-boot they should have ditched Damian and made Dick Grayson or Tim Drake the new Robin. I am glad Batgirl is back, but Batwoman leaves me cold and I've dropped her title.

Marvel isn't much better. I just dropped the new Ironman. I'm going to give the X-books a little more time but will probably drop most of those. I do like the X-Factor, New Mutants, and X-treme titles. I'm not sure about the new X-Men because I just got it and haven't read it yet. I think I'll let go of Legacy and Astonishing X-Men. I am liking Thor. I haven't decided about Captain America yet.

by Anonymousreply 37612/06/2012

I'm liking what DC is doing to the relaunched "Stormwatch". Apollo lost his shit after being "duped" to believe Midnighter was duping him. Nice to see them not take the "wedded bliss" of the late 90's version of this couple into a more realistic direction. Gay couples, even metahumans, do have *nasty* breakups and this one has been written very well.

"Earth 2" continues to be the standout of the relaunch. Alan Scott is a very realistic "A Gay" who is not used to losing control--as in losing his partner. I hope they don't fix him up right away with anyone, since I don't think we've really seen the grieving process done like this in a male-male relationship in a superhero comic. Great comic so far.

The current "Animal Man" had a hard R level of gore, surprising even for this gross-out comic. It's also smartly linking up to "Earth 2" in a manner that I won't spoil. It does beg to question what will happen after the Rot/Grey plots are concluded, what will be left for Buddy to fight? His daughter is WAY savvier than him in action. Regarding Marvel, the All New X Men is really cool. It's fun watching hos former friends turn on psycho-Cyclops. He's making Lorna Dane look stable in comparison. So far the new mutants being introduced in this book have been awesome. This Austin hipster Benjy kid is going to be a big player. trust. I wonder if they will fix him up with Eva, the time-stopper?

by Anonymousreply 37712/06/2012

I'm also liking the Earth-II book. I like the new "old" Flash. I'm also liking the re-booted Alan Scott. So far the character seems to be well done. I don't know about the sister book - World's Finest with the Huntress and Powergirl. It's an okay book that holds a lot of potential. I just don't think they're hitting their stride yet.

by Anonymousreply 37812/07/2012

The preview for the next issue of Earth 2 also suggests that Fury is returning. What the version will be like is questionable, but they're interesting reimaginings so far.

by Anonymousreply 37912/08/2012

R373= freeper.

by Anonymousreply 38012/08/2012

I was a little concerned when I saw that Nicola Scott hadn't dont the art on Earth-2 #7, but it seems that was just a fill-in. Which is good, because as the #0 issue proved, the comic is a lot less interesting when she's not pencilling it.

I also noticed Mikel Janin didn't pencil the most recent Justice League Dark. The work (which was done by two artists) wasn't bad, per se, but Janin and Jeff Lemire have played off each other really well, and if that changes, they'll lose the strongest creative pair (other than Robinson/Scott).

Also, they need to get David Aja back on Hawkeye RFN.

by Anonymousreply 38112/09/2012

R381 I love Janin's work on JLD. I hope he stays for the long haul. Nicola Scott looks like she is staying on E2 as well.

I like Pulido work better than Aja's work though. It's amazing that Marvel still has a comic that is only 2.99 isn't it?

Lemire is doing some good mainstream work outside of Sweet Tooth.I'm looking forward to getting Green Arrow, a title I don't get but Lemire is going to write.

by Anonymousreply 38212/09/2012

[quote]I like Pulido work better than Aja's work though

I didn't think Pulido's work was bad, but there's something that I can't quite put my finger on about how well I think Fraction and Aja work together. That "Italian Job" issue will give "Spider-Men #4" and "Before Watchmen: Minutemen #4" a run for their money in terms of my favorite single issue of the year.

[quote]It's amazing that Marvel still has a comic that is only 2.99 isn't it?

Most of their second-tier comics (ie, the ones without Spider-Man, Avengers, or X-Men in the titles) are $2.99. Even a few of the X-Books are still at the lower price, although that's mostly things like Legacy, X-Factor, and X-Treme.

by Anonymousreply 38312/09/2012

Do the comic book loving people ever have real hobbies? Surfing the web all day is not a hobby. I know a comic book guy and he is so lazy. Never keeps up the house or cleans up after himself. Has a good job in tech but frequents a comic artist's forum. Is this a common "type"?

by Anonymousreply 38412/09/2012

R384, I assume you're trolling. That's the only explanation.

by Anonymousreply 38512/09/2012

I'm putting my hand up as finding Wonder Woman a much more interesting title than it has been in quite a long time.

That being said, as time goes on, I'm slowly dropping more and more DC titles. I found the reboot much more disconcerting that I though I would and especially compared to the Crisis-driven reboot from the 80's. There, it was the same characters, just some bits of their history got changed or tweaked. Aside from Superman and Wonder Woman and a handful of others, the characters just kept right on as they had been.

This time around, except for Batman and Green Lantern, every body else are brand new characters with the same name of the characters I used to read. The New 52 is basically like moving over to an alternate universe and reading about those characters exploits. As such, I don't feel the connection with the characters that I used and I I don't feel as loyal. This isn't my Gar Logan and Terra, this isn't my Barbara Gordon (that one was called Oracle and was infinitely more interesting).

It doesn't help that DC is now extremely editorially driven, and the creative teams seem like nothing more than tools of the editors to tell the editors stories - and the constantly shifting teams speaks to that.

I do like several titles in the DC universe, but fewer than before the reboot and my loyalty to them is much less to the point where two or three dull issues and the cord is cut (whereas before, I would have held on much longer).

by Anonymousreply 38612/09/2012

Queerty gives Young Avengers a blurb. Keiron Gillon says that Hulkling and Wiccan will be THE couple for the book, and that while Wiccan will do something phenomenally stupid, their problems won't be insurmountable.

I'm just saying, Kate Bishop had better be just as awesome as Matt Fraction has been writing her.

by Anonymousreply 38712/10/2012

Gail Simone has been fired from Batgirl. One less title I have to read.

by Anonymousreply 38812/10/2012

I wonder if Marvel will try to grab her. She swore up and down that she'd never work for them again after they had some kind of salary dispute when she was writing Deadpool.

Still, I'm also pretty sure she's been pretty unhappy at DC for a while.

So, that leaves them, who, Christy Marx, Ann Nocenti, and Nicola Scott as their only female creators?

Capital move as always.

by Anonymousreply 38912/10/2012

God, they fired her over e-mail.

You know, I know I've been pretty critical of her, and I know she has a reputation as a backstabbing bitch, but that's a really shitty thing to do to a woman who's been a loyal employee for half a decade.

by Anonymousreply 39012/10/2012

[quote]Also, they need to get David Aja back on Hawkeye RFN.

I've never been the type to find a comic book character sexy. But damn, Aja draws sexy men. IT was the same thing on Immortal Iron Fist. Clint Barton and Danny Rand just look hot, but not in any sort of over-muscled stylized way.

by Anonymousreply 39112/10/2012

I keep hearing how backstabbing Gail can be (and saw this noted multiple times in the hundreds of online posts about her this weekend...what other writer out there inspires so much internet chatter when they move on or off a book?), but I've never heard any anecdotes or seen for myself on her twitter feed this supposed bitchiness. What are some actual examples?

I mean, it's not like she's gone full Rob Liefeld, and it seems to me that she's been nothing but gracious, if a little snarky. But man, who wouldn't under the current DC regime?

by Anonymousreply 39212/10/2012

[quote]I've never been the type to find a comic book character sexy. But damn, Aja draws sexy men. IT was the same thing on Immortal Iron Fist. Clint Barton and Danny Rand just look hot, but not in any sort of over-muscled stylized way.

The only time I've ever found Clint sexier than how Aja draws him was just a few panels in one of the issues of Avengers Disassembled. I think Olivier Coipel drew them, and it was a flashback to Wasp and Scarlet Witch lounging by the pool a the mansion while Clint, in short-shorts and a tank-top practiced with his bow in the background.

[quote]I keep hearing how backstabbing Gail can be (and saw this noted multiple times in the hundreds of online posts about her this weekend...what other writer out there inspires so much internet chatter when they move on or off a book?), but I've never heard any anecdotes or seen for myself on her twitter feed this supposed bitchiness. What are some actual examples?

I believe she got Nicola Scott fired off of Secret Six because she didn't want to have another woman getting equal billing as she. I don't know if that's true, but I've heard it more than one place. Supposedly, she had a habit of being nasty to women editors at DC, which, again, I've heard more than one place.

My suspicion is that her reputation is probably a little exaggerated because she's a successful woman in a field that's overwhelmingly dominated by men, but then again I've never heard anyone say a single bad word about Louise Simonson.

And if Weezie is really a bitch, please don't tell me. I need to keep the image of her as nice person.

by Anonymousreply 39312/10/2012

I don't know how long you've been around, VOTN, but I suspect it's probably about as long as I have. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you remember Roy Thomas. I really miss the Roy Thomas "Invaders" as well as his "All-Star Squadron". I am liking the Earth-II reboot and hope they can return some of the history that was Earth-II prior to the big Crisis that really ruined a lot of DC History.

I'm not really a Marvel fan and never have been. I have stayed loyal to the X-books for a long time but am dropping more and more of them. I pick up a Thor or Captain America once in a while and a few others, but not on a consistent basis.

by Anonymousreply 39412/10/2012

Not VOTN, but I miss Roy Thomas, too. I remember finding a bunch of his Avengers run -- including the Kree Skrull War issues -- a number of years after the fact, at a flea market. I loved them. Loved his Infinity, Inc., too. I've been thinking about him because I finished "Marvel Comics: The Untold Story" last week and he is, of course, prominently featured. I miss Steve Englehart, too.

by Anonymousreply 39512/10/2012

Roy Thomas was before my time. I came along more into the Daredevil: Born Again/Mutant Massacre days. And the tail end of ROM.

Anyway, I've also read that "Untold Story" book. I honestly didn't think any of the editors came off particularly well. Roy Thomas seemed to get a better appraisal than Jim Shooter. The only person the author seemed to have much affection for was poor Mark Gruenwald.

Although discovering what a druggie Steve Englehart was back in the 70s sudden caused his Avengers run to make a lot more sense.

I am happy to report that in addition to Gail Simone, Paul Cornell has exited DC and has returned to Marvel. Unfortunately, he's going to be writing the new Wolverine series which I have zero interest in reading, but I always though he was a better fit at Marvel than DC, especially after they yanked him off Stormwatch so quickly.

by Anonymousreply 39612/10/2012

You know, the more I think about it...

I have no idea what the power structure is between DiDio, Jim Lee, and Geoff Johns, but if Lee has any say at all in the day to day running of the company, he should be ashamed of himself.

The man started his own company because he disliked how poorly creators were being treated by the Big Two. I wonder what Jim Lee from twenty years ago would say to Jim Lee today.

by Anonymousreply 39712/10/2012

There are only a few books at DC I bother with, and then only in trade. That company is a disaster. The few very good writers and books there are happening entirely by accident. I wish Grant Morrison would come back to Marvel.

Marvel Now is a lot of fun. The Hickman Avengers looks primed to be as great as his Fantastic Four, which is now one of the signature runs in its history. It was well past time for Bendis to exit the Avengers. Jason Aaron's Wolverine & The X-Men is a blast and Rick Remender is doing great things with his books, especially Captain America. He also revitalized X-Force, which has led to not one but two new X-Force books in his wake, each with a cool team that interests me (Spiral, Puck, Mohawk Storm and Psylocke is a must). And despite having to follow Hickman, Matt Fraction is already really impressing me on the FF books with his time travel arc and the new Future Foundation team.

Can't wait for Young Avengers. Kieron Gillen is great. They've lined up some really talented people for the new wave in the last two or three years, and they're making Bendis, Brubaker, etc. look tired (which they are).

by Anonymousreply 39812/10/2012

I find that hard to believe about Gail and Nicola. Nicola left Secret Six with the Dec 2009 issue #14, but worked again with Gail for 3 issues of Wonder Woman in the summer of 2010. And before SS Nicola and Gail got in a good 17 or so issues of Birds of Prey under their collective belts.

Seems more like Nicola just got poached by editorial for Wonder Woman: Blackest Night with Rucka.

by Anonymousreply 39912/10/2012

I should probably say that in my only personal interaction with Gail via Twitter and e-mail, she seemed very gracious. When they relaunched Birds of Prey after the conclusion of Blackest Night, she started off the book with an arc in which the Birds were seemingly getting attacked from all quarters including the murder of Savant, who was an antihero quasi-ally of the Birds, and the suicide of his sidekick Creote. The two characters were gay, with Creote being completely in love with Savant, and Savant being oblivious.

Anyway, so the internet (and I) went apeshit over that (although I hope I was polite). She only said to wait until the story was finished.

By the end, it turned out that not only had the two of them faked their deaths to get to Oracle. The twist was not only was Barbara fully aware of what was going on, she used it as an excuse to knock some sense into the guys over how much they loved each other.

I emailed her an apology, saying that I should have given her more credit. She was incredibly gracious and said that she understood why people had been upset, but thought the happy ending was worth the fake-out.

by Anonymousreply 40012/11/2012

More on Kieron Gillen's Young Avengers. Sounds great. Opens on Kate Bishop and Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy (Noh-Varr, recent ex-Avenger) waking up in bed together after a party. Says Billy and Teddy are the core of the book.

I also love Gillen's Kid Loki, so.

by Anonymousreply 40112/11/2012

It seems that Marvel and DC cycle back and forth. For a while DC is the powerhouse with solid writers and artists, then it flips and Marvel has all those people flocking there. Sadly, I'd say right now neither house is particularly strong.

by Anonymousreply 40212/11/2012

Here’s what I don’t understand about this half-ass DC reboot. Geoff Johns, during the pre-Flashpoint (and far superior) DC continuity, established a reputation of not only being very knowledgeable and respectable of DC history and canon, but also enhancing it by still remaining faithful to said history and canon. He’s one of the big guns at DC now and one of the main architects of this reboot so what the hell is up with him. Just from Geoff’s name and reputation alone, I expected great things from him regarding this reboot; far more than Dan Didiot and Jim Lee. I’m both baffled and disappointed at how he let things turned out.

by Anonymousreply 40312/11/2012

Nico Minoru and Chase of the Runaways are among the contestants in Avengers Arena, the first issue is out today. Supervillain Arcade pits the C-list youth heroes of the Marvel Universe against each other in his infamous Murderworld a la The Hunger Games.

I liked the book a lot. I hope my favorites (Runaways, etc.) don't die.

by Anonymousreply 40412/12/2012

Marvel Now! is one big flop to be honest. More of a big hype job than anything else. Oh we also need 20 million more Avengers titles at 3.99 a pop as well. Oh and make them bi-weekly as well. I absolutely hate Marvel because of this. as a rule I won't buy those twice a month titles. Now Ultron at an almost weekly clip? People must shy away from shit like this.

One more thing Bendis is an absolute fucking hack.He's too prolific for his own good.Oh and they are pumping out his 3.99 X-men jobbies at twice a month.

by Anonymousreply 40512/12/2012

I passed on "Avengers Arena" just because I don't want to see my favorites die, so I'm not paying for a book whose sole purpose is to kill some (or all) of them.

by Anonymousreply 40612/12/2012

R406--pages of "Arena" were posted online in the last 48 hrs, so there is a LOT of outrage as to who bites it...and it is a surprise.

by Anonymousreply 40712/12/2012

Having read the spoilers, I'm glad I passed. That was one of the ones I was hoping would make it out alive.

by Anonymousreply 40812/12/2012

Yeah, I've been baffled by Geoff's role in this as well. In fact, I wonder how much a role he has actually had in this. What we are seeing - continuously rotating creative teams, talented writers leaving because of editors using the writers as THEIR pens, new history getting changed issues after it sees print suggesting this is all being done on the fly - this is EXACTLY what I expected from Didio and Harras (Didio seems to continuously change his mind about things, and Harras seemed to promote the idea that the Editor was king while at Marvel, so no surprise we are seeing it raise its ugly head at DC now), and to a lesser degree, Lee. But Johns? It's nothing that I expected and I'm really disappointed.

The reboot was a short term success, no doubt, but the foundation laid for this reboot is too shaky to stand for the long term. I don't see them ever going back to the previous continuity, but I don't know what they'll do. They simply don't seemed focused on putting out the best product possible - they seem more concerned with putting out whatever the editors feel is a great idea that week - which seems to change with the wind.

by Anonymousreply 40912/12/2012

DC's reboot wasn't a full reboot. If that were the case then they should have gotten rid of Damian (Robin) and I wish they had.

The new Red Hood mag with Robin II, Arsenal, and Starfire is pathetic. I don't know which mag it was suppose to take the place of, but whatever it was, it failed miserably. I don't think it will be around for long.

Hawkman is a blend of Earth I and Earth II lore. Pick one or put one on each earth. Blending them just doesn't work.

Those are just a few examples of a pathetic attempt to fix their continuity or create "new" mags and characters. DC had a chance here to restart their titles and that's what they should have done. Instead we have this mis-mash of characters and history.

by Anonymousreply 41012/12/2012

Most of the Marvel Now books are great actually. Avengers by Hickman is gold. Fraction on the FFs. Avengers Arena is great despite fangirl rage. Mark Waid on Hulk. Uncanny Avengers and Remender's Cap. They've got it all over DC IMO.

by Anonymousreply 41112/12/2012

R411 nice to see such an over the top Marvel zombie at work! Marvel is putting out too many Avengers and X-Men titles how the fuck can you keep track? It's highly reminiscent of that 90s period that DeFalco presided over with multiple covers, too many books of the same characters. None of these writers are Moore Gaiman or Morrison...they are all Marvel hacks.Even Waid on Hulk, it's been too soon to judge him on it but I'm not impressed so far.In essence, it's been one big shit show.

Look, the new 52 ain't much better BUT even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once in awhile.Snyder's Vertigo work, his Swamp Thing and Batman work have been pretty good.Yes, Harras has fucked up recruiting Marvel failures like DeFalco,Leifeld, Bobbie Chase and Company.It's sad to see Hawkman rebooted for like the 10th time!

by Anonymousreply 41212/12/2012

Finally gotten around to reading American Vampire - and I thought it was kind of "meh".

by Anonymousreply 41312/12/2012

You know what's very reminiscent of Marvel in the '90s, r412?

NuDC, where Bob Harras and Jim Lee have hired EVERY SINGLE ONE of those hacks. That place is a disaster, both creatively and BTS, where people are being fired every other day.

Give me Marvel Now - good creative teams, good stories - any day.

by Anonymousreply 41412/12/2012

Was chatting with the manager of my local comic store on Wednesday. He said sales of DC are way down. Said sales went up when DC rebooted last year, but now they're down lower than before the reboot.

He also said he keeps hearing the reason DC rebooted the whole universe was because of the possible loss of Superman due to the Siegel family lawsuit. Said the rebooted Superman is just different enough that DC could retain the rights even if the Siegel's ultimately win.

Weird that they rebooted the entire universe because of one character. Of course that one character is the flagship character.

by Anonymousreply 41512/14/2012

Pairing Superman and Wonder Woman is a way to get rid of Lois Lane if they lose the rights to her.

DC is likely worried about losing rights to other older characters.

Probably why we're now getting the Jay Garrick and Alan Scott total reboots with the other JSA characters.

by Anonymousreply 41612/14/2012

[quote]Of course that one character is the flagship character.

Batman is the flagship of DC.

by Anonymousreply 41712/14/2012

[quote]Probably why we're now getting the Jay Garrick and Alan Scott total reboots with the other JSA characters.

Nope. Any of the characters created for All-American Publications, which includes most of the JSA characters (including Wonder Woman) are unambiguously owned by DC. So is Batman.

Superman's origin is a little murkier, and thus the Siegel/Shuster heirs claims are at least actionable, because he was created independently.

by Anonymousreply 41812/14/2012

I really enjoy what Gail Simone is doing on Batgirl. But most of the others rebooted books are just blah.

by Anonymousreply 41912/16/2012

I'm actually glad to hear that DC sales are that low r410. Maybe we'll get that reset to Pre-Flashpoint continuity after all.

by Anonymousreply 42012/18/2012

R415 that comic book manager is off. On the whole the sales for teh new 52 have been decent of late. Marvel Now has put a dent in the sales for sure BUT things are not that bad. also one cannot judge the entire industry from one comic book store.

Their flagship character is Batman. Look at how many titles Batman has and how much Warner Bros has made from the recent Batman trilogy.

R414 Marvel Zombie wake up. Bendis is a hack. Most of the writers doing Marvel Now are uninventive. Do the Avengers need something like 10 titles? New 52 was no prize at all BUT Marvel Now! is completely stupid. Why restart X-Men,Spidey and Avengers without doing at least a soft reboot. It's a sales ploy.

by Anonymousreply 42112/18/2012

Peter David had a stroke on New Years Eve. He came through it, but it looks like he's going to have a long rehab ahead of him.

According to his wife, he spent part of the day today looking over some revisions to his latest X-Factor script, so it sounds like he's in good spirits. She's asking people who want to help, in lieu of sending in money, consider purchasing some of his original fiction, since he gets more royalties from those than from his Marvel trades.

by Anonymousreply 42201/04/2013

PREACH, R422! Marvel is making the same mistake it did in the '90's with having about 50 mutants per title. They should have had three "Avengers" titles: Academy, Dark and the original. The Uncanny shit is just the X-Men with less mutants. Surprisingly only the current "Arena" title is remotely interesting since it has taken the "Battle Royale" trope of stranded killer teens and placed it in a superhero setting with a classic villain (Arcade).

The characters are very interesting and I like how the writer(s) have subtly set up a US/UK rivalry between the two academies, kind of like Hogwarts vs. Avengers. That Apex looks like like she will be one mercenary bitch and her Capt Britain Jr piece better sleep with one eye open.

There seems to be some possible gay representation too to make up for the loss of Julie, Striker and Karolina. Cammi looks like a butch you don't want to fuck with and Apex's comments about Anachronism and Bloodstone probably more concerned with the Deathlocket nutcase's lack of fashion sense seems to have given us a hint about their relationship. We need another gay couple other than the soapy Wiccan/Hulkling and the bitcy Rictor/Shatterstar.

by Anonymousreply 42301/04/2013

I'm actually enjoying Marvel more than DC right now - which is a bit surprising because when I first heard about Marvel Now, it just sounded like a desperate, weak response to New52.

But I think Marvel, overall, has pulled it off - and they didn't have to negate their whole history to do it. There are a few things that irritate me - like, I have no interest in Doc Oc as Spider-Man, and I'm a little irritated that the core of the Avengers now has to reflect the Avengers movie (really, it makes no sense that the Hulk is a part of the group in an on-going fashion). These things aside, the Marvel stories right now just feel like they have a stronger foundation to be working from.

Unlike DC, where they dumped their history, leaving it nebulous as to what actually exists and doesn't any longer, and with the ever changing creative teams, I don't think there is any real stability. Plus, the line is editorially driven - something that tends to sap the creative energy out of a company (which, considering both Marvel and DC have gone through this before and actually learned from it, it's surprising that DC has chosen to go this route again; it's the main reason I don't think the building blocks they are trying to lay down for the DC universe right now are going to be strong enough to support the DC universe for twenty to thirty years; instead of letting the creative people create the universe, the editors are doing it and they have a tendency to render everything dull, dull, dull).

by Anonymousreply 42401/09/2013

"Pairing Superman and Wonder Woman is a way to get rid of Lois Lane if they lose the rights to her."

Why would anyone want the rights to Lois Lane (independent of Superman)?

by Anonymousreply 42501/09/2013

R424 Marvel NOW! such just as much or even more than the New 52. You mentioned core Avengers? They are literally a gazillion titles some coming out twice a months how can you follow all of that ? Now Bendis brings back the original X-Men, Days of future Past in reserve! What a silly concept. How many books is Bendis doing 10 right now?

According to what I understand certain writers were given free reign at DC for new 52.So the editors were not controlling everything.Some of the titles are decent whereas I can't say that about Marvel Now!They have some very inventive writers there directed by someone I really respect namely EIC Alonso.I wonder what pressure Disney is putting on them to increase how many titles they put out because it's the early 90s all over again.

by Anonymousreply 42601/09/2013

Marvel has a lot of great new books being put out. Avengers Arena, X-Force, Captain America, Hulk, Fantastic Four and FF with Mike Allred, Wolverine and the X-Men, Hickman's two Avengers books, I could go on and on.

DC has turned into a dysfunctional police state. There is NO free reign at DC anymore for anyone, it's all corporate, and they are now being ordered to keep silent about all future assignments or status after Gail Simone was quickly fired and re-hired. You cannot talk about what you do or tell anyone if you're even coming or going. Word is at least 70% of the lineup is hastily being fired practically overnight and turned over again to try and "catch up" with Marvel Now. I can think of maybe 3 books I'd bother with there, except I don't because I wait for their trades. It's just become a disgraceful company. They turn on a dime every day, treat everyone like shit and put out substandard books with shitty artists and personnel from the bankrupt Bob Harras regime from Marvel in the 90s.

by Anonymousreply 42701/09/2013

r425, the rights to Lois Lane would be valuable since DC would need to pay someone to have Lois Lane in Superman comics and movies.

by Anonymousreply 42801/09/2013

r427, you're all over this thread stanning for DC.

Everyone in the industry knows about what's going on at DC. EVERYONE. Editorial and creative shake-ups every other day. Constant shifts in direction and story for every single book. Unhappy people. Lockdown. Bob Harras, Tom DeFalco and a slew of hacks all employed. They're cruising towards Marvel 1997.

DC went for a lazy reboot without real planning and decided they could get "hot" artists and figure out writing and creative concepts later. They're still trying. Marvel has focused on creativity. Jonathan Hickman, Rick Remender, etc. these are the best guys out there and they're still doing their indie books at the same time. What is DC doing? Oh, that's right - driving every single major new talent away from their hyperactive micromanaging.

by Anonymousreply 43001/09/2013

And by the way, Grant Morrison's Batbooks are all but out of continuity now because he gave up trying to keep up with the endless whiplash changes Didio and co. demanded. He had written half of Batman Incorporated with the pre-Flashpoint status quo and they pulled the rug out from under him. Now they're just letting him do whatever and ignoring him for the most part.

Geoff Johns, well, his best years are at least 4 or 5 years ago. He's been bled dry and it shows, running on fumes. Too much is left to him. Poor Brian Azzarello is doing a good book in a vacuum. Scott Snyder, Jeff Lemire, talented guys doing good work being fucked around and run ragged by poor management. Let's ask Paul Cornell about DC too. Or Greg Rucka. JH Williams. The late Dwayne MacDuffie. The list goes on and on.

It's too bad Bill Jemas drove Grant away from Marvel years ago, I wish he'd come back to a decent company.

by Anonymousreply 43101/09/2013

I'm sure Morrison wants to do what Rucka is doing right now, focusing on his creator-owned stuff.

by Anonymousreply 43201/09/2013

[quote]Surprisingly only the current "Arena" title is remotely interesting since it has taken the "Battle Royale" trope of stranded killer teens and placed it in a superhero setting with a classic villain (Arcade).

This sounds like a terrible idea. Perhaps it could be a good book, but the fact that it's such a rip-off of a concept turns me off completely.

And the DC fanboy here needs to take it down a notch.

by Anonymousreply 43301/09/2013

AA is actually a really good book.

The concept raised a hue and cry from over-entitled fangirls of these B and C-list characters online, but they're a very vocal minority. In reality the book has turned out to be a sleeper hit. I was pretty surprised myself. It treats these characters well.

by Anonymousreply 43401/09/2013

I'm not a DC fanboy at all. I started reading Marvel in the 70s! I love those characters and I was a fan of what Quesada did initially as EIC.I'm also a big fan of Axel Alonso from his DC days and what he's done at Marvel. That being said,a lot of the New 52 and Marvel Now! is garbage. Especially AA. The thing is that DC actually has some well written titles(in spite of the so-called editorial interference) and Marvel doesn't (at least in Marvel Now!) I like Waid's Daredevil though.

R431 Have you directly talked to anyone you've mentioned or read something from a website? I know that for a fact one of those people wouldn't agree with you because I actually talked to them! DC like Marvel plays favorites with whomever works for them.You've heard gossip surrounding the situation BUT don't know for sure what is going on.

Once again, Marvel's plan was a sales bump pure and simple. Bringing back the original X-Men is such a silly idea. Like they don't have enough mutant books already? They'll probably have the original Avengers from that time come back as well!What's one more Avengers book coming out twice a month matter? They should start putting out an Avengers title once a week just to up the ante!

Marvel is a decent company? HAHAHAHA! Just wait and see what Disney will do with it. Judging from the sheer number of titles they are running it into the ground like Perelman,DeFalco and Company did.

VOTN, exactly. Instead of going to DC or Marvel they are doing their own thing. I'm happy that there is a company like Image that doesn't have a gazillion work for hire people, licensed characters up the wazoo and characters owned by a big corporation like DC or Marvel.It was a kick to see Walking Dead 100 be the top comic. Not a new 52 or A Marvel Now! with a massive corporation behind it and it was number one.

by Anonymousreply 43501/10/2013

VTN, do you watch Young Justice?

I used to love but now it is becoming the Jaime Reyes show.

Any idea as to why?

I thought the otherworldy threat was sure to be Darkseid, but instead we get The Reach.

by Anonymousreply 43601/10/2013

[quote]I used to love but now it is becoming the Jaime Reyes show.

Because they've never missed an opportunity to try to make people love Jaime since he was created.

They need to give people a break from him for a while.

by Anonymousreply 43701/10/2013

This week's "Thor God Of Thunder" is fucking chilling. Won't give any spoilers but be prepared for some "Hellraiser" type implied violence and after-effects. Brilliant series.

"Avengers Arena" is killing it over at Marvel. Cammi is the breakout badass bitch and it looks like they are shaping her up to be Apex's main opponent.

"Stormwatch" was surprisingly good and had a surprising twist involving everyone's favorite dysfunctional gay couple. I can't wait until next issue.

by Anonymousreply 43801/10/2013

Who is writing Stormwatch now?

And DC Fanboy / R436, I take your points - obviously Marvel Now was done directly in response to the New 52, but I enjoyed the #1 issues that have come out.

Either way, both initiatives, whether a soft re-boot or total reboot, as needed shots in the arm. If anything, the Marvel Now concept is great for long time readers but isn't as inviting to all new readers.

Who exactly have you talked to at DC about editorial's influence? It's hard to say that the New 52 isn't being dictated from on high when you have so many creators like Rucka fleeing the ship. And that whole Gail Simone thing was so embarrassing. Do don't hear the same sort of stories out of Marvel.

by Anonymousreply 43901/10/2013

What is the fixation with Jaime Reyes?

Everyone I know desperately wants Ted Kord back. Even online I see "bring back Ted" posted all the time.

What gives?

by Anonymousreply 44001/10/2013

Ted Kord was a character no one cared about until they killed him off, which wasn't done very well. This of course made everyone realize that he was their favorite character ever, and they were going to hold their collective breath until they all turned blue.

See also: every second-string character death, ever.

Thing is, if they'd been a little bit more careful in how they approached it, it would have been fine. Marvel did something similar in the pages of Ultimate Spider-Man, and by many estimations, that's been a positive.

by Anonymousreply 44101/10/2013

Aer watching these past few weekends, why don't they just go ahead and change the title from Young Justice to The Jaime Reyes Show?

by Anonymousreply 44201/19/2013

Marvel Zombie R439, you missed something. Once again , I'm not pro DC. I started reading comics in the 70s and started out reading Marvel. I was buying Daredevil when Roger McKenzie and Frank Miller were doing it. Heck I was buying it when Gene Colan was doing it! I remember when Shooter wrote the Avengers and when Engelhart wrote Captain America.I picked up on DC years later when Wolfman,Thomas and Perez went over. When someone states that they love the Marvel characters, they cannot be a fanboy of their competition! It's called being objective,which I am and you are not.So bite your tongue,son!

One more thing, does Marvel have to put out 11 issues of Avengers material a month? Or Even 11 X-Men books? It's damn excessive.How the heck can you follow so many titles especially the ones that come out twice a month? Yes, DC is putting out too much Batman product BUT nothing like the excess at Marvel with those two teams.

Most things you hear about the industry on the internet is half-baked innuendo and horseshit. Gail Simone? WTF is she,Alan Moore all of a sudden?She's back on Batgirl isn't she? Having talked to one of the writers at DC, I know for a fact that editorial doesn't dictate to every writer.If you're a Grant Morrison you can pretty much write and do want you want. If you're a lowly hack then you can't. Do you think Alonso is telling Bendis what to write? He's hacking out a million things BUT he can get away with bloody murder.He makes Bill Mantlo look like Shakespeare in comparison!Look Alonso is a good guy/good editor he's done a decent job of coordinating Marvel Now!,then again there wasn't anything ambitious with it to begin with. The fact that they green-light the old school X-Men/X-Factor team tells you how they are trying to squeeze blood from a stone.The New 52 is like Heroes Reborn BUT Marvel reminds of the Heroes Reborn and the early 90s glut BUT even worse.

by Anonymousreply 44301/19/2013

R441 did people really care about Ted Kord dying after the fact? Maybe in the context of the Blue and the Gold in Justice League but otherwise?That original DC book by Wein and Cullins was a pale imitation of what Ditko had done at Charlton. It was hokey to say the least.

R442 Really are they pushing him that much?I wasn't a big fan of the original visual BUT this one is all over the place.

by Anonymousreply 44401/19/2013

Today you had a Blue Beetle, a Black Beetle and a Green Beetle on YJ.

This alien invasion would have been a great start for Darkseid & the New Gods...but they went with The Reach instead.

Such a letdown.

by Anonymousreply 44501/20/2013

It was all over the Net last week how DC is melting down behind the scenes (again).

The only people left mostly untouched are Morrison, Johns and Scott Snyder. Everyone else is subject to constant rewrites, changes from editorial, often only finding out about new elements to write in or out sometimes based on gatefold cover art. There's no internal consistency, no planning behind the "new 52" reboot or continuity, everything changes week to week, day to day. People find out they're fired in solicits, then rehired. Complete disarray.

And their numbers are suffering. The "new 52" bounce has not lasted at a retailer level and store customers don't want to commit to anything beyond "big" titles because they can't trust in any kind of consistent, competent storytelling. (And even Superman, Batman, etc are now subject to constant top-down changes) A lot of DC talent is now talking openly about going to Marvel, where there's a regimented structure but also a lot more nuturing of creatives.

inb4 the ranting DC fanboy tries to deny it. It was everywhere on the online comics scene this week. I never thought I would see the day where in 2013 DC's lineup is being controlled largely by ancient hacks like Bob Harras, Tom DeFalco and Scott Lobdell.

by Anonymousreply 44601/20/2013

[quote]I’ve worked under tyrants and I can say that I’d prefer to work under a talented, knowledgeable tyrant with a successful plan than a directionless gladhander with a ouija board any day of the week.

by Anonymousreply 44701/20/2013

Well, I'm prepared to marry Young Avengers.

by Anonymousreply 44801/23/2013

R447 Bad form Marvel zombie/fanboy, this was from 2008! Oh and if you ask people both at Marvel and DC what they think of Shooter there's a reason why he's not working at either company. Shooter burned a lot of bridges to the point that he's worked on a grand total of two projects since his reign of terror.

The first was an Avengers project that was never released. Tom Brevoort was such a pain in the ass to him that Shooter left the project. That's what Shooter claims. Brevoort has been very successful at Marvel and hasn't rubbed too many people the wrong way now has he?

The second was when Shooter was to do a Legion book for DC. Paul Levitz wanted it to happen and most people at DC knew his reputation and what preceded it. It took Shooter years to get on the standard Legion book.a lot of egos had to be soothed when for this to happen.

DiDio is definitely disliked by certain creators BUT if you asked about Shooter that dislike would quickly turn into disdain. Like many people in the business, he had his favorites and let them get away with murder accordingly,whereas other people who didn't play his way were made an example of like Gene Colan and John Byrne.

by Anonymousreply 44901/24/2013

R446 Marvel Zombie/Fanboy where you fail totally is your total lack of objectivity.Let me make several points again that evade you.

1 I started out reading Marvel in the 70s not DC. I read Howard The Duck, Warlock, Master of Kung Fu and all those off color titles Marvel were producing at the time. I even purchased the Marvel Black and White magazines.I remember when Claremont and Cockrum revivified the X-men then Byrne and Austin came on and made it even greater. I never bought a DC until Wolfman,Perez and company defected to DC. I had no reason to. I also have stated that I like what quesada did when he became EIC of Marvel. he made some no brainer moves that really added a lot quality back to Marvel that Marvel had sorely lost. In addition, Axel Alonso is a very good editor. If I was a partisan of Dark Horse, Image or any other company I would NEVER give those props, I would be doing the opposite.

You are right DeFalco,Lobdell are hacks BUT Marvel's head hack will have far more output in upcoming solicitations. Now who is that..... Marvel's premiere writer/top hack,Bendis! That's where you fail miserably.If the head of the snake stinks then the whole snake will stink!

You made another bizarre mistake. You spit out a fact that I mentioned about the top people at DC doing whatever they want.I knew that fact from the fall of 2011 from one of their top writers, I didn't have to read the internet in January of 2013 to find that fact out!

I'm not a Harras fan to put it bluntly. The behind the scene skullduggery at DC is far less insane as its being projected to be.As long as those top writers are not fucked with his job is safe. The minute he starts fucking with people at the top of the food chain at DC he's screwed. Once again,A lot of garbage has been part of the New 52 but a lot of the New/Now! Marvel titles have been puerile and hackneyed rubbish as well.

One another thing, why is there 11 Avengers books per month or 11 X-Men books? That's an insane glut of titles. I mean what's next Baby Avengers or The Stolen/Missing/Hidden Avengers?!! Guess what both of those will go for 3.99 a pop and come out twice a month too!I mean c'mon it's ridiculous to say the least. To be fair AND objective, there are two many Batman books at DC,it's not as bad as what Marvel is doing with Avengers and the X-men by any means but there are far too many Bat books just the same.Oh and none of them are coming out 2 a month or 3 times a month like Ultron!

by Anonymousreply 45001/24/2013

Jaime Reyes FAILS again!

Young Justice cartoon getting the boot!

How will DC try and shove him down our throats now???

by Anonymousreply 45101/28/2013

It has been officially confirmed...

Both shows have been cancelled.

I'm sure DiDio is throwing stuff in his office and yanking what little hair he has left out perplexed that Jaime Reyes didn't happen yet again.

by Anonymousreply 45201/28/2013

Batman's sidekick is Katana????

by Anonymousreply 45301/28/2013

Well, it looks like Colbie Smulders will be returning as Maria Hill in both "Captain America: Winter Soldier" and on a recurring basis on Joss Whedon's SHIELD series.

by Anonymousreply 45401/29/2013

Was there any reason given for Young Justice's cancellation? Or why they kept interrupting the schedule the last year? It seems like they didn't want the show in the first place, or quickly lost faith in it for some reason. I thought it was enjoyable - particularly the way they would bring in elements from the 70's and 80's with a fresh twist.

Some on other boards have speculated that maybe DC pulled the plug because so much of it (although presented in new ways) was drawn from the pre-52 DC. But that wouldn't explain the two new toons coming in, that have nothing to do with the new 52 either.

by Anonymousreply 45501/29/2013

It's the Jaime Reyes curse. It ruins everything it touches.

by Anonymousreply 45601/29/2013

[quote]But that wouldn't explain the two new toons coming in, that have nothing to do with the new 52 either.

They're using the New52 version of Katana in Beware the Batman.

Of course, they've run into other problems, like needing to tone down some of the violence in wake of the Aurora shooting. Oddly enough, the same thing happened to the DCAU's zenith, "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker" after Columbine.

by Anonymousreply 45701/29/2013

This month's Hawkeye was a really nice Hurricane Sandy story that had both Hawkeyes helping out. In the lettercol, they admit they threw it together quickly, but its heart was in the right place. Matt and Kelly Sue have been encouraging people to make donations to the Red Cross on Twitter all day.

by Anonymousreply 45801/30/2013

[quote]Was there any reason given for Young Justice's cancellation?

From what I read the toys weren't selling well enough for Mattel so they're not renewing the shows.

by Anonymousreply 45901/30/2013

not marvel or dc - but has anyone done the graphic novel(s) building stories. Fantastic domestic comic

by Anonymousreply 46001/30/2013

Marvel--

I like what's being done with Thor. He's had such a bumpy run with different titles. It's nice to see this latest. I just wonder where they'll go from here.

Captain America is okay.

I ditched Iron Man.

DC--The Bat books aren't anything spectacular. I do like Batgirl (but then again, I've always been a fan) and I am enjoying Talon (Nightwing in disguise).

Like the new JLA and the Shazam backup. I think this incarnation holds some potential.

I also like the Earth-II book. The new Alan Scott is enjoyable, even without the gay storyline.

by Anonymousreply 46101/30/2013

R461 Captain America is such a great character don't you think he deserves a better art team than Romita/Janson? It's Romita's worst work and Janson doesn't help matters.Someone like Ron Garney would have been better. I also don't like the redesign.

Iron Man was blah. The artwork wasn't that great and the story was nothing to write home about.

Thor: I like the artwork, I don't like Jason Aaron's writing.

DC The main Batman book is well done,while the others not so much.Though the artwork by Fabok and Gleason has been good. I like the Batgirl character but I don't like the book very much.Ed Benes is a good artist but I don't what's being written.

JLA It's not bad and I like the idea that Captain Marvel/Shazam is given a spotlight there. Johns' writing is decent and the artwork has been good as well. Jim Lee made too many of the characters' costume designs look the same,that was ot unnecessary.I'm not looking forward to the Baby JLA, The Dark Chocolate JLa and Extremely secretive JLA titles. They should keep the titles restricted to one.

One more thing, I hate Shazam's hoodie.

Earth 2: I like Robinson and I like the artwork,but I don't know what to make of it all yet.I agree on the Alan Scott assessment BUT the gayness makes him even more interesting.

by Anonymousreply 46201/30/2013

Totally agree. Captain Marvel's hoodie is ridiculous. Too late for him to be trendy now.

LOVED this month's Batgirl. First time in years I've been excited and waiting to see what happens next.

by Anonymousreply 46301/30/2013

R461 here. Yes, Shazam's hoodie is a tad much, but it's better than the old high collar on his short cape.

I really like Johns and Robinson. Robinson hooked me when he did Starman.

Batgirl, well, like I said, I've always been a fan. I hated it when the put her in a wheelchair and made her Oracle. I also didn't care for her replacement. Having said that, while I'm glad she's back, I don't much care for the recent DC re-write. They made such a mess of their history with the original Crisis (that was to fix things). Then they fixed it again, and again, and again. In the meantime, they lost so much rich history that made DC what it was.

by Anonymousreply 46401/30/2013

Robinson's Starman was a really special series.He was supposed to do Hawkman for the New 52 but that fell through. Johns' version of Hawkman was kinda/sorta modeled on JR's Starman book. I liked that quite a bit.

I like the Barbara Gordon character since Yvonne Craig popped on the scene lo so many years ago.I like certain things about the new 52 rewrite and others not so much. Aquaman and Mera is back, it's kind of like Skeates and Aparo for the new generation.BG is Batgirl again. I'm not a Gail Simone fan so I'm not gaga over the book.Yeah DC has been done over and over again. Then again I never expected them to keep the Multiverse down.There were too many story opportunities there. The first inkling of it was the kinda/sorta homage to Earth 2, Morrison's Earth 2 book.

Hawkman has been a mess since Crisis. First the Hawk world thing...Truman's mini was great BUT the series was dumb. They brought him into current DC continuity after that?!Archie Goodwin once said that the character had been too many things for two long. He presided over that first gritty/savage reboot of the 90s by Messner Loebs. Now we have Carter Hall who is really Katar Hol?!They tied everything back to Thanagar but it's not that great a backstory.

I hate Barry Allen as Flash. Allen was so unpopular back in the day, it was a blessing that Wally West was brought on. I'm surprised that Wally West hasn't been brought back in a miniseries of his own. If only to expand the Flash properties a bit...just a tiny bit.

by Anonymousreply 46501/31/2013

R461 Again. I know the old Barry Allen flash was drab but I liked him. I also liked Wally West and Jay Garrick. I suspect when Barry Allen first appeared that Jay Garrick fans weren't any too happy either. However, at least they kept them both around rather than trying to re-write everything. Although I use to know the DC Universe continuity pretty well, I can no longer claim that.

Marvel isn't much better. I loved the New X-Men when they first came on the scene. I'm sure folks weren't too happy they were replacing the original five, but they were fresh, dynamic, and exciting. Now Marvel's continuity is as messed up as DCs. There have been so many X-teams, and time traveling stories, etc., that I gave up on it and many of the X-books.

by Anonymousreply 46601/31/2013

Ugh, how many more Batman cartoons are they going to make? Also, I hate that Teen Titans Go! shit. God, what they could have done with a Justice League type TT show would have been a-mah-zing.

by Anonymousreply 46701/31/2013

[quote]Ugh, how many more Batman cartoons are they going to make?

As many as the fans will support.

I think it's rather unfortunate that it's being done at the expense of some of their other programming, but it's the way they apparently want to go.

The interesting stuff seems to be coming more from the direct-to-DVD stuff these days.

by Anonymousreply 46801/31/2013

[quote]The interesting stuff seems to be coming more from the direct-to-DVD stuff these days.

I wish they hadn't spent so much time - two separate DVD releases - rehashing The Dark Knight Returns.

I believe the next Direct-to-DVD is a Superman Vs. Braniac story. I wish they'd try to expand beyond Bats and Supes for these releases.

by Anonymousreply 46901/31/2013

I remember Kevin Conroy giving an interview a few months ago and he stated that their next release was an adaptation of Flashpoint, but he might just have meant that was the next thing he was working on for them.

They did do a Wonder Woman movie and one or two Green Lantern movies, but I guess they figure that if it doesn't have "Batman," "Superman," or "Justice League" attached to it, it won't sell.

I haven't seen Dark Knight Returns yet, but I did really enjoy Justice League: Doom, and was very impressed by Batman: Year One.

by Anonymousreply 47001/31/2013

Getting kind of tired of Batwoman. It's been close to a year and a half and the main story hasn't advanced much. No resolution in sight.

by Anonymousreply 47101/31/2013

R466 The DC and Marvel hypejobs of recent memory(New 52 and Marvel Now!)are really annoying. 22 X- Men and Avengers books a months? WTF. I remember when it was just Uncanny X-Men and they added New Mutants. The Avengers were The Mighty Avengers then they added West Coast Avengers in the 80s. Talk about a deluge of titles how does anyone keep up? Especially when they are 3.99 a pop twice a month....some of them.It's a joke.

As for DC, 52 titles were too many. I understand the symbology of 52 BUT its better to do 30 new titles right! At this point make All Star Western, Jonah Hex. Amethyst should not be Sword Of Sorcery(who thought that one up?,it should be S AND S). Threshold? Giffen should have done an Omega Men book instead of a quasi-pseudo anthology.

Wally West...Flash became a hit when Waid and then Johns did their runs. Flash was never really a mega-success when Barry Allen was the character.He was a bore and DC keeping him dead and gone was great for business. In essence ,the legend of Barry Allen was more intriguing than the man himself was when he was alive.Green Lantern on the other hand had success with the Hal Jordan character. What that dilettante Kev Dooley did to him was so horrible. What an idiot he was.He could have brought Rayner on with no issues instead he screwed up the Hal Jordan character instead. Johns did a nice job of bringing back the GL mythos as he did with Hawkman. With Barry Allen that was a bad/big mistake.BA's Flash custom now looks like Wally's! They might as well bring Wally back instead.

by Anonymousreply 47201/31/2013

Today's YJ episode was nothing but fucking Jaime Reyes.

Just end this shit already.

by Anonymousreply 47302/03/2013

Just start a Blue Beetle show then! I know his character is not as marketable as some others BUT what the heck YJ is almost his own show already.

by Anonymousreply 47402/03/2013

That "Barry Allen's Flash was never popular" meme has got to stop. Barry Allen's Flash series was the only DC, non-Trinity superhero series to survive from the Silver Age to the Bronze Age. Every other series was cancelled: Atom, Aquaman, Hawkman, Metamorpho, Doom Patrol, Teen Titans, and even Green Lantern.

The Barry Allen Flash was one of DC's best sellers up through "The Death of Iris Allen" storyline. A change in editorial direction, a change in artists, and a burned-out Cary Bates killed the book after that.

by Anonymousreply 47502/03/2013

[quote] Barry Allen's Flash series was the only DC, non-Trinity superhero series to survive from the Silver Age to the Bronze Age.

Not true. The Jay Garrick Flash book was canceled in the late 40s. Barry showed up for the first time in Showcase #4 in the mid 50s.

by Anonymousreply 47602/03/2013

From the SILVER Age through the Bronze Age, VotN. Barry Allen Flash started the Silver Age by most accounts in the mid/late-50s. The Bronze Age ended at DC with Crisis in the mid-80s.

by Anonymousreply 47702/03/2013

Sorry, brain isn't firing on all cylinders at the moment.

by Anonymousreply 47802/03/2013

R475 One of DC's best selling even through Iris' Death?! Sorry I don't buy that. There's no way that book's sales were even close to New Teen Titans or Legion of Superheroes. I can buy JLA maybe BUT Flash? Nah. That being said Flash was killed because nobody really cared about Barry Allen at that point.That's how DC got away with what they did. Oh and keeping a title alive for years is a very dubious distinction. Sgt Rock was kept alive for how long even though it was almost dead last(it might have been last) in sales for DC? The same goes for something like World's Finest as well.

As much as I chastised Kevin Dooley for changing GL, his hand was forced by the sales. Then again he didn't have to rape Hal Jordan's legacy to do so.

With Barry's return have we seen a big upsurge in popularity in Flash like GL with its multiple books? No. No Team Flash, no Wally book or any other mini-series. Hopefully it will only be a matter of time that the mantle that Wally passed on to Bart who passed it back to Wally who is kinda/sorta sharing it with Barry! I remember when Grant Morrison was asked about Barry when he was doing JLA and he seemed quite content with the new school,Flash and he welcomed the new blood. Good call on his part.

by Anonymousreply 47902/03/2013

The only reason Barry Allen was brought back in the first place is because Didio and Johns get hard ons about classic characters. And while that was actually a plus in the regards to Johns revival of Hal Jordan and his making sense of the Legion, it was a mistake with Barry.

Wally had become The Flash and no one was really shouting for him to be replaced. Everyone seemed to like Wally as The Flash. So much so, that as soon as Barry was back, Wally took a back seat to the character, and has now been written out of continuity. If you have to actively work to make a character disappear so the one you resurrected even has a chance at succeeding again - then you made a mistake.

I tried Johns Barry Allen Flash series and while the villains were interesting, Barry was still a bore. And I tried two issues of the New 52 Flash and found nothing had changed.

Wally was just one of those characters - much like the Teen Titans - that was just screwed because of Didio's muddling - replacing him with Bart (which, along with the death of Connor, took the successful relaunch of the Teen Titans off the rails), then bringing him back with kids, and then bringing Barry back.

by Anonymousreply 48002/03/2013

What is the deal with Blue Beetle? I liked Young Justice before this Invasion mess happened. Did Wally West just vanish on the show like he did in comics?

by Anonymousreply 48102/03/2013

R480 Yeah, the new GL corps and the return of Guy,John, Hal and Kilowog was righting a serious wrong done by Dooley,Marz and Kahn. There was no need to knock down Hal's legacy like that.

Yes, Wally was well liked. Barry was a crashing bore and Crisis gave him a heroic and mythic ending to an otherwise lackluster ending he had in The Flash book proper.Now his costume looks like Wally's...they might as well bring WW back as well.

I liked Johns' WW Flash stories. It's funny that he didn't grok the fact that Wally was fine as Flash. There was no need to change the actor in the costume.

by Anonymousreply 48202/03/2013

r479, you don't have the timeline right. The Iris story, edited by Ross Andru, ended before the New Teen Titans launched and before Levitz-Broderick-Giffen reinvigorated Legion. So you are comparing apples to oranges. Once Andru left the book, the sales dropped as a series of weak editors let the book drift.

Before then it had been strong through the 70s, surviving when most of DC's superhero comics were cancelled.

Yes, the last five years of so of the book sucked, and yes, the sales during that period were not good, but before that happened DC had gotten nearly 25 years of good sales out of the Barry Allen Flash.

That said, I think Crisis gave him a great ending and closed the door on the Silver and Bronze Ages very well and it was shame they have undone that death.

(Sgt. Rock was kept alive by sales outside of comic stores, especially military bases, Kubert using cheap student artists, and the possibility of a Schwarzenegger movie.)

by Anonymousreply 48302/03/2013

R483 That's even worse about Flash BECAUSE that was almost a full five years before it folded.That was when Jimmy Janes was the only artist at DC whose artwork looked like it wasn't from the 40s!;)

Cary Bates wasn't Alan Moore. Heck he even wasn't Marv Wolfman at that point.Infantino's artwork was abysmal at the end. How the mighty had fallen.I see that Steve Pugh is doing Animal Man again. He's still decent unlike Carmine or John Byrne who have withered talent wise.

Great call on Flash's death. See we agree on something!

Sgt Rock's sales sucked for years. I know Dc's claim about militray bases BUT it was still a flop compared to teh rest of them.

by Anonymousreply 48402/03/2013

Not to hijack, but I just started reading No Man's Land (the newer graphic novels, I'm way behind and trying to catch up on Batman). Were the preceding storylines leading up to the earthquake and road to no man's land ever published as one graphic novel at all?

Just curious.

by Anonymousreply 48502/04/2013

The lead-up to No Man's Land is told in "Contagion," "Legacy," and "Cataclysm."

by Anonymousreply 48602/04/2013

Anyone know what's going on with Worlds Finest? For a book that showed promise - Paul Levitz, George Perez and Kevin Maguire - it has been entirely lackluster. Paul's writing gets the structure down fine, but there is no energy, no surprises, nothing - it's all just kind of flat. And for a book with two artists per issue, you would have expected them to be able to keep pace- yet we are already seeing fill in art, sometimes more than one an issue.

Frankly, I think Paul is off his game. Even on Legion, his work is monotonous. I was so looking forward to Keith Giffen adding some spark to the title, so hearing he's already off the book leaves me discouraged. Paul NEEDS a co-writer, or they just need to hand the title over to a new writer altogether.

Based on the stories he's written for both titles, if he was given a Bat title to work on, Batman wouldn't be fighting any of his rogues - he would be fighting the mob, street gangs, and some criminals dressed in random body armor. It's all generic and bland.

by Anonymousreply 48702/07/2013

[quote]I was so looking forward to Keith Giffen adding some spark to the title, so hearing he's already off the book leaves me discouraged.

I agree with you completely about Levitz' work on both titles. I hadn't heard Giffen was already off the book (before his first issue hit the stands) -- I was hoping he could provide some much-needed oomph.

by Anonymousreply 48802/07/2013

Just friggin' perfect - Francis Portella is returning to art on Legion - ugghh. I thought he was part of the problem - his (leaning towards) cartoony style did nothing to help elevate Levitz's hum drum stories.

They went to so much trouble to get the Legion back on track a few years ago - and since the Johns/Perez mini, they've just let it fall to crap again.

by Anonymousreply 48902/07/2013

I never understood why Johns didn't write the legion after hom bringing them back

by Anonymousreply 49002/07/2013

The DC books are just dead, dead, dead. What happened?? I realize that Didio is the comic book equivalent of the AntiChrist, but I honestly don't understand how things have gotten so bad.

by Anonymousreply 49102/07/2013

If DC were smart it would can Didio now before he can do any more damage.

by Anonymousreply 49202/07/2013

R491 You're grossly over exaggerating.DC is not dead,dead as you assert. Some of their titles are decent some are not.DiDio has done some good and some bad for sure. I talked to one of the people that he turned on many years ago and that person liked what he brought to DC initially.I ran into him at a local Borders and we had an interesting conversation. It's funny how both of them can't stand each other now.

R487. I grok what you're saying but would Keith have done it in his Kirby Giffen style,his Tothesque,Argentianian artist Sampayo style or a hybrid of both?!!I hate to say it but his zenith artistically was in the early 80s when Mahlstedt inked him.When he was caught lifting panels from an Argentine comic panel for panel his work hasn't been the same for me.

Portela is a decent artist. I don't know why Scott Kolins wasn't the right man for the job.Or Johns as the writer either.The artwork by Perez and Maguire has been good. I've talked to Kevin and he's a very cool guy. He wasn't making an appearance somewhere so it was a pretty good convo. I very surprised that he thought that a certain artist who has worked at DC and Marvel(also one of the wealthiest at the time because of a certain superhero death in the 90s) was a good one.

I understand the critiques regarding Levitz. I don't think Shooter was as ripped when he returned to Legion.Perhaps a more current writer like Johns could do the trick. Though I can't see him adding another title to his workload.

by Anonymousreply 49302/08/2013

I think Shooter got off lighter when he returned to the Legion because he was given a version that was already well off track. Levitz, on the other hand, was given same version that he'd written before, and doesn't seem to be able to do anything interesting with them.

by Anonymousreply 49402/08/2013

R493 - I agree about Keith's pencils never being better than when they are inked by Mahltstedt - I still look at those images and think they are beautiful. But I've watched as he's gone from cartoony to blocky to Kevin Maguireish and on and on - his most recent, with Kirby influences but rounded edges rathe than sharp ones - was a little off putting at first, but I grew to like it because it still had movement and energy to it.

I just don't understand returning to a team - Levitz/Portela - that already failed to do much for the book. i really was relieved that Keith was back because Legion desperately needs something to spark it. I have been reading it the last two or three years for no other reason than I've NEVER given up on this book and yet, with this reversion to Portela, I just don't see any hope of making the book interesting again any time in the near future.

R494 - I think you are exactly right. Shooter actually picked that version of the Legion up a notch or two. Yeah, he had some annoying tics in his scripts, but overall, I saw improvement (until it just turned into a cluster at the end due to editorial interference - hmm, where have we heard that before).

I just expected more from Levitz. But in all honesty, when he isn't collaborating with someone, his scripts do tend to veer towards the mundane. His story structure is sound, but his villains trend towards the ordinary, and there seems to be no gradual build up of tension or excitement - it's all just a straight line of here is this, here is this, here is this, etc. He needs a good artist who will spark some energy in his stories - and in my opinion, Portela doesn't do it. Kollins does to a degree, Keith definitely does, and even Walter Simonson did a few issues back (and I'm not a big fan of Walter's either, but I think his art / layouts actually added to Levitz's story and raised it a bar or two).

by Anonymousreply 49502/08/2013

R495 Editorial interference? HAHAHA! Compared to what Tom Brevoort at Marvel did to him with that Avengers project that never got off the ground what happened to Shooter at DC was a blip/cakewalk.Brevoort fucked around so much with Shooter's script and wanted this that and the other thing Shooter basically told him to fuck off!

Giffen originally started as a Kirby clone. Anyone remember his Defenders work from the 70s? By the time of the Great Darkness Saga, Giffen developed his own style. Though at the end of his original Legion run,Giffen's artwork started to take on a Toth like influence.That was proabably due to Giffen ripping off Carlos Sampayo's artwork panel for panel in Ambush Bug. That was sleazy and shameless of Giffen to say the least. Mahlstedt did some really nice work with Giffen, his best inker in my opinion.

Portela is a good artist but it's a case of been there done that. Levitz is an old dog, it's too late to teach him a new trick. He's was also never a Milligan/Morrison/Moore type either. I don't expect much from him at all. Though at this point Johns and Kolins Would be an exciting team. Oh, it was interesting that Lightle was doing some Legion again. I've always liked his work immensely.

I like Simsonson. As a matter of fact, a WS written and drawn Legion would be a trip.I don't know how long he'll do the stupidly titled Indestructible Hulk for but I'm glad he's still busting it out and busy as ever.

by Anonymousreply 49602/08/2013

No...DC is dead. The direction they've gone in is a dead end. And even books that started out reasonably well have fizzled. Sales are plummeting. The only reason sales still look even remotely okay is because DC is allowing retailers to send 50 percent of the books they order back to the company.

by Anonymousreply 49702/08/2013

R497 I can't agree. It's a gross exaggeration. The whole Time Warner conglomerate connection are keeping them afloat no matter what. I don't mean this as a putdown but as a legitimate question...are you privy to their internal sales numbers? Not some bullshit a retailer told you but actual sales figures from DC or Time Warner.

BTW there are no dead ends for corporate superhero companies like DC and Marvel. They will churn out corporate superhero bullshit for as long as they can.They will adjust,restart and do whatever they can to revivify themselves. I've seen DC's bottom fall out several times and they've come back. Marvel after the Heroes World/gazillion cover glut/creating the collapse of the industry survived the 90s implosion.Companies like Dark Horse and Image counteract the hegemony of those two companies.

by Anonymousreply 49802/08/2013

Oh hon, stop shilling. Seriously.

by Anonymousreply 49902/08/2013

What do folks think of the Talon? I like the book so far, but can't help but wonder if he's just a rougher version of Nightwing.

by Anonymousreply 50002/08/2013

Anyone else catch today's episode of The Jaime Reyes Show?

He turned on the team at the end.

Anyone else find villains like Mongul, Despero, etc... to be an absolute bore?

by Anonymousreply 50102/09/2013

I am so tired of DC trying to make villains like Darkseid major players. I've never found him that interesting. Likewise Eclipso.

by Anonymousreply 50202/10/2013

R502 You're crossed the line from being annoying to being obnoxious. Eclipso is one thing BUT Darkseid? You're seriously a plant from another company,you've made that clear.;) Hopefully it's a cool company like the one that does The Walking Dead not the other big overblown superhero company owned by a mega corporate parent...

R501 No. It depends who writes them..... that goes for any character from any company. It's not so much the character BUT the treatment.

by Anonymousreply 50302/10/2013

R501 here. If I were a plant I'd be Poison Ivy or Swamp Thing and I can assure you, I'm neither. I'm just a long time comics reader who has never found either villain very interesting. Lex Luthor or the Joker are both better choices, although with the recent Joker run in the Bat books I'm not that thrilled with him either. DC has made him more evil that crazy. I do like the Flash Rogues Gallery. I also like Mordue and the Fearsome Five.

by Anonymousreply 50402/10/2013

R499 stick to the corporate crap! When you meet a civilian who likes Crumb,Popeye or even Donald Duck you'll be stuck on your spandex fueled power fantasies!

R500 It's an interesting concept. I like the art,it's too early to tell about the story yet.

R504 It's all good. I like Darkseid. The Great Darkness Saga was good and the Fourth World saga.

I would like Luthor better if he were more like the charming cad that Gene Hackman played in the films.Byrne and Wolfman's Luthor as Donald Trump had potential but they didn't fulfill it. Especially with that dumb story in Superman 2 where Luthor couldn't believe that Kent was Supeman..or was that just the cover?!;)

Once again it's all about who writes and draws the tales. Swamp Thing was a bore until Alan Moore took over. Wein and Wrightson stories were decent for the time BUT Moore really pushed Swamp Thing into another echelon.Daredevil was a third rate hero until McKenzie and Miller came on board.Kingpin was considered a Spiderman villain and not a great one until Miller made him into one of Daredevil's chief nemesis-es.

by Anonymousreply 50502/10/2013

I like Darkseid as well but r505 the stories you referenced are from 30 years ago!

by Anonymousreply 50602/10/2013

Darkseid (I used to say Dark Seed, then I learned it was Dark Side) is bad-ass, but yeah, Great Darkness Saga was decades ago.

Marvel has the bigger baddies.

I'm reading a fascinating book now called 'Marvel Comics'; it's all about the ins and outs of Marvel; well-researched. As a a kid I never got why longtime Marvel writers/artists would switch over to DC, but this book explains a lot.

Hard to imagine that the people who created these comics I loved as a kid were not always treated so well.

by Anonymousreply 50702/10/2013

What’s kind of messed up is that I purchased a Kindle Fire HD back in December, which I absolutely love. My main reason for purchasing was for comic book reading and yet I’m reading fewer comics for the first time since I started collecting in high school (I’m in my 50s now). Wonder Woman, Justice League, and Earth 2 are the only books I’m reading from the New 52 Peeu and Uncanny Avengers and that New X-Men book featuring the return of the WRONG Jean Grey. Thank God for digital because I’ve been finding and reading a lot of Pre-Flashpoint DC stories, some I’ve never read but the current state of the big 2 is quite disappointing.

by Anonymousreply 50802/10/2013

Here's a petition hoping to raise some awareness of DC hiring Orson Scott Card to write their new digital Adventures of Superman comic.

by Anonymousreply 50902/11/2013

Wrong Jean Grey made me chuckle.

by Anonymousreply 51002/11/2013

R508 Agreed both of the big two has some truly bad comics now.Try out Dark Horse and Image instead there are some nice surprises there. At Image, it's pretty much the creators doing their own thing without an edict on high like at the big two.

Thw wrong JEan Grey you say? Wasn't the one they put in X-Factor back in the 80s a wrong one as well?;)

R507 Shooter was a complete asshole. He's not a people person.Like all executives he played favorites. He hated Gene Colan and love Vince Coletta,one of the shittiest inkers of all time.Some really good things happened during his reign of terror but he alienated so many creators. I remember when Byrne got the Superman gig, to fuck with him he got Butch/Jackson Guice to redraw some FF artwork. Needless to say Byrne bolted Hulk and Marvel to boot.

Shooter also drew an issue of a Spiderman comic that has to be one of the shittiest laid out comic of all time. No cinematic perspective,everything looked one dimensional....a real hack job.

The Marvel baddies?!I don't agree at all. It's a matter of who writes the baddies or the heroes. Magneto is he the evil one from the old days, the reformed one from the 80s or the Morrison Planet X version? It's all about you writes them and draws them. Once again Kingpin became a cool villain because Miller and Janson did something special with him NOT because he was cool.It's all about the plot,characterization etc so on not so much about the characters themselves.

Byrne never got to finish the Last Galactus story has he?He gave the end on his website BUT it would be fun to see an actual ending......though it was no great shakes to begin with.

R509 They think they'll get more civilians(non-comicbook folk) to read their stuff by enlisting OSC? It simply ain't enough....

by Anonymousreply 51102/11/2013

Geoff Johns off of Green Lantern - and while I worry about the future of the franchise in the new 52, it was kind of needed. I was feeling the stories were becoming a bit stale. So many different lanterns and colors and crossovers leading into new crossovers.

That being said, I wish Geoff would hop over and lend some help to the Legion. He obviously loves the characters and after he went to a lot of trouble to revive them, I can't believe he would just sit back and watch them flounder as badly as that title has.

by Anonymousreply 51202/11/2013

Levitz did a decent job decades ago BUT he's like a pre- Method actor before the Method entered films.

Johns and Kolins on Legion would work.Did anyone find out the reason why Giffen bolted on Legion yet?

The many rings? They'll exploit that for all they can ,it was surprising that Johns was the one to expand that brand so much.

by Anonymousreply 51302/11/2013

Johns is the last thing the Legion needs. His revived team was full of needless tweaks (Wildfire in Red Tornado's body, for example, or Lightning Lord having a secret twin) while still forcing all of the characters into the roles they played just before Crisis on Infinite Earths: all the couples still intact, nobody gay on the team, etc. At least Levitz moved some of the characters forward, even if his plotlines are dull.

by Anonymousreply 51402/11/2013

I can't fault Johns for that - he was responding to what fans seemed to be clamoring for - a return to the original version of the Legion. And he gave us that (well, with those little twists thrown in that you mentioned, which were head scratching).

I was fine with the five year jump, I was bored with most of the Archie Legion (until Coipel came along and his run with those writers - who I can' remember - was great), and found Waid's Legion reboot kind of pedestrian (although I liked Shooter's direction).

So the return to the original versions was thrilling for me. Not so thrilling since then. I don't find the book bad, but I don't find it good either. I want it to be on the top of my read list, but it's just not.

by Anonymousreply 51502/11/2013

I forgot when I said that no one on Johns' team was gay that he did make Dawnstar bisexual.

by Anonymousreply 51602/11/2013

So, I wonder why the switch of artists - Eddy Barrows from Nightwing to Teen Titans, Brett Booth from Teen Titans to Nightwing?

I like Eddy's art, but he can't routinely do more than a couple of issues in a row before he needs either help to finish an issue or a complete fill-in. And it's pretty much been that way his whole DC career, from his last stint on Teen Titans to Action comics to the Blackest Night mini-series (3 issues and and couldn't complete it). In fact, his track record is about the same as Ed Benes in terms of speed and completion.

by Anonymousreply 51702/13/2013

R518 Sometimes it's an itch to do a team and or a solo book(or a book who features your favorite characters) or a certain incentive from an editor.

by Anonymousreply 51802/13/2013

Johns is a homophobe; please keep him away from Legion.

by Anonymousreply 51902/13/2013

Who is the X-Traitor?

by Anonymousreply 52002/13/2013

Didn't it turn out to be Bishop?

by Anonymousreply 52102/13/2013

A writer who I miss a lot is Roy Thomas. He did such great things at both Marvel and DC. The work he did on the WWII or Golden Age heroes (and kids) was great.

by Anonymousreply 52202/13/2013

R522 I liked him when he did that aforementioned stuff for DC and Marvel. I'm no so psyched about him doing new stuff. He puts out the Alter Ego magazine from TwoMorrows Publishing.He has some great articles for long time comic book fans there.

by Anonymousreply 52302/13/2013

Roy's strength was digging into history and finding stories between the already told stories and making the history richer.

He could still do that with Marvel, but there is no history with DC now - and DC editorial's inability to make a plan and NOT change it three, four, five times before it ever sees the light of day (and sometimes, after), makes Roy a bad match for DC now.

by Anonymousreply 52402/14/2013

While "digging into history" seems to be his abiding passion, Roy also wrote a lot of great straight-ahead stuff - including a stellar run on Avengers.

by Anonymousreply 52502/14/2013

R524 I hate to bust your ridiculous pro-Marvel fantasy BUT Big Jim Shooter attempted to do an Avengers mini-series at Marvel and Tom Brevoort fucked with him big time! Oh BTW Quesada didn't give a shit in the end about what happened to Shooter! So why would they work with a dinosaur like Roy Thomas and not fuck with him either? What would happen with Marvel is that he would give them 10 plots for approval and the editor would not like them at all and say go back to the drawing board. I like Axel Alonso, he's a good guy/editor BUT speaking of history he has no history with Thomas. You would see an Ennis or a Morrison write one of their core titles before you would ever see a Wolfman,Wein or Thomas do anything for them.They are worse than DC when it comes to honoring their legends with comic work. Kubert before he died got that Joe Kubert Presents and was doing Before Watchmen.

Granted DC has rebooted everything under the sun/left right and sideways and what has Marvel done? What the hell was the Ben Reilly Spiderman thing about? You mean to tell me that Marvel has never had a retcon?! Jean Grey has never been brought back since she died as Phoenix,right? The Iron Man origin story happens in 1950s Korea now?What the hell is it with the red/green Hulk garbage? Marvel is not honoring their history by having 22 Avengers and X-Men books a month and having every Tom ,Dick and Harry end up as an Avenger! DC is a mess(trust me I'm no Bob Hairyass fan) BUT Marvel is pretty close by. Both companies are run like defunct soap operas that retcon/reimagine their storylines just for the heck of it.

by Anonymousreply 52602/14/2013

R521 Of course it was

by Anonymousreply 52702/14/2013

Image.

by Anonymousreply 52802/14/2013

The original Crisis wiped out years of Roy Thomas's work; I'm not sure he did anything that significant after that.

by Anonymousreply 52902/14/2013

R528 It's cool to see Morrison,Hickman and other people do bespoke work for an independent company these days. It's nice to see a series like Walking Dead that doesn't feature tights and it's become a mainstream phenomenon.

R529 Ummm,Crisis or no Crisis I agree with you on that point about doing significant work after Crisis. However continuity change doesn't negate the work he had done.Of the big corporate companies, I could see Thomas doing something for DC before Marvel at this point though it looks doubtful that he would do anything for them at this point.

Geoff John's Hawkman did the tough job of bridging the gap between the continuity changes/different versions of Hawkman. The book was a nice cross between Raiders of The Lost Ark and Robinson's Starman

by Anonymousreply 53002/14/2013

R526 - wow, I think maybe you've had too much coffee today. My two statements - DC doesn't have much history to dig into right (which is true - they are filling in the blanks as they go along) and that DC editorial is kind of crazy right now with their decisions (which is also true), in no way meant that Marvel hasn't had their problems in the past as well.

I will grant you I am pro-Marvel right now because overall, I'm enjoying their titles more. I've been way more pro-DC in the past as well. It just depends on what is going on with each company at that particular time. Marvel isn't perfect by any means, but I tend to find myself more irritated and stumped by DC's decisions and directions the last three or four years, than I do Marvel's decisions (and I mean, Didio vs Quesada).

It appears (and I stress, appears) that Marvel is actually giving their creative talents a bit more room to move than DC is - and my personal opinion is that it actually helps their line if they let the writers write and the editors edit. A few years back, I felt like DC had more faith in their writers than Marvel did and I was a bigger DC fan.

Really, I don't believe Marvel can do no wrong - i just think it's doing less wrong than DC right now.

by Anonymousreply 53102/14/2013

R531 To be brutally honest,Marvel has very tight reins on what is done as well . Add to the fact that Alonso runs his madhouse with a little less looseness than DC right now. A lot of Marvel Now! titles are still garbage now matter what the editorial edict is from on high. The fact that they have a Scarlet,Superior, Avenging etc so on Spider and Dark Chocolate,Baby and Vanilla etc so on Avengers is a testament to stretching their line too thin. Add to the fact that their lead writer is a hack(Bendis), that is a recipe for disaster.

That's not to say that DC is doing great things either but some decent things have fallen through the cracks. Bob Hairyass is a lightweight.BH had worked at DC for years and was handed that job for what reason? So he could screw up DC too! They haven't expanded JLA to 11 titles yet BUT I'm waiting for it. Time Warner Comics should start an infant brigade, a darker hued version and a surreptitious secretive version just to keep up with the Disney superheroes!

by Anonymousreply 53202/14/2013

Nghtwing is onto Jaime Reyes now.

by Anonymousreply 53302/17/2013

I'm actually glad they are cancelling Young Justice. Yesterday's episode was beyond lame. No one cares about these teen nobodies with powers. They care even less about Jaime Reyes who will figure heavily in next week's show.

Green Lantern was great. Larfleeze is hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 53402/24/2013

How about the horrible death in this week's "Legion of Superheroes"? It was so random, needlessly gory, and disrespectful of the character that I thought maybe Geoff Johns wrote it.

by Anonymousreply 53502/24/2013

R534 They are giving Larfleez his own comic now. Giffen is writing it.....

R535 I thought GJ loved the Legion!;)

by Anonymousreply 53602/24/2013

That "death" was so random and ridiculous, R535, that I'm sure there something more to it. I did love the Giffen art – it does wonders for Levitz' weak scripting.

by Anonymousreply 53702/24/2013

Llike Morrison is killing off Damien Wayne next.

Harper Row looks to be the next Robin.

by Anonymousreply 53802/25/2013

WHO WAS THE LEGION DEATH?

by Anonymousreply 53902/25/2013

Sun Boy. The book opens with a spaceship crash that has already happened, and Phantom Girl and Invisible Kid find his body in the wreckage. Then his body is immediately cooked and eaten by alien scavengers.

by Anonymousreply 54002/26/2013

Smes I think DC exists just to piss off its readers.

Jaime Reyes, killing Sun Boy, killing off Damien (just when readers were starting to like him) and now throwing all their might behind...Vibe.

by Anonymousreply 54102/26/2013

Wait, we're supposed to take Damien's death seriously? He'll be the 5th Robin (Jason Todd, Stephanie Brown, Earth 2 Robin, Earth D Robin) that I can think of dying while I've been a DC reader. There are probably more that I can't recall off the top of my head, but Robins get killed fairly regularly.

by Anonymousreply 54202/26/2013

My fear was realized - when I read that Giffen was joining Levitz on Legion, I was thrilled. Finally, finally someone was paying attention to this book and was going to seriously attempt to get it back on track. Then, Giffen was gone after two issues. And the team reverted back to one that already didn't do much for the book in the first place.

My fear then was we were going to get a glimpse of what could have been - and that was exactly what happened. This one issue was better than all combined since Levtiz came back on board. While not my favorite style of his, Giffen's art brought so much to the script - lush detail, energy and movement, and the story had a sense of dread to it, a sense of anything could happen, it felt like the stakes - so pedestrian to this point in the run - were actually raised and serious.

Yes, Sun Boy may have died and was eaten by aliens - but I LOVED it because it was so out of left field and unthinkable - something this book hasn't had ANY of in a while.

I'm not looking forward to Portela coming back on art because I honestly don't think he can handle the story that is being told. And like I said, his teaming with Levitz didn't really move this book last time. My only thought is perhaps they've already decided to cancel the book and so they aborted Giffen's run - I mean, why waste too much energy revitalizing a title that is going to end shortly.

by Anonymousreply 54302/26/2013

R543 Interesting. At Harras' DC it's more of a case of someone wanting to do other books and giving them priority over let's say The Legion.Who knows if Giffen wanted out to write Larfleeze. To be honest, I don't mind Portela BUT would like to see another team on here.Scott Kolins would be a nice choice on art. I also wonder if Johns would come on to script.

As for Levitz,I have never been a great fan. His first run with Giffen was quite good. He's been chasing the dragon ever since then.

R542 It's no big deal. He'll be SORASED like a soap opera character when he comes back! I'm surprised that they are offing Damian BUT I'll heard that people find him annoying. It seems to be a redux of the Jason Todd situation.

by Anonymousreply 54402/26/2013

Nothing is sacred in DC Comics, except Superman and Batman.

by Anonymousreply 54502/26/2013

Pantsy...unh? Batman Year One remember that? Catwoman became a whore. The Bat costume looked like Adam West's there. Miller did a good job but fucked with the origin.

Man of Steel by Byrne. Superman's parents are alive?!He modernized or one can say Marvelized Supes but it was Supes lite.

What about Morrison's Action Comics? The costume looked goofy and Clark's early years were corny. I'm a big Morrison fan but that was far from his shining hour.

by Anonymousreply 54602/26/2013

I really liked Byrne's take on Superman. It was the first time in years I read the book and continued reading until he was off the book. After that it became about the story - and there weren't that many Superman stories I was interested in.

by Anonymousreply 54702/26/2013

Byrne's stint was the last time I actually enjoyed Superman. Morrison's Action has been better than anything else in the last 25 years, but I'm still underwhelmed.

by Anonymousreply 54802/26/2013

I really didn't dislike Byrne's version of Superman. It was the typical comic booky type thing he did and still does. Watchmen and Dark knight set a standard and Byrne goes out and does a so-so job on supes. One thing i held against him (that diluted his Supes work even further) was that he went back to Marvel to do Star Brand.His art was terrible on that and he could have spent that time on Action,Adventures of superman(after Wolfman left) and Superman. Instead he was more concerned on goofing on Shooter after his dismissal from Marvel.

by Anonymousreply 54902/26/2013

Dick Grayson as Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin - best Batman & Robin duo. Wished it had gone on longer - actually wished that it would have become the new status quo.

I find it interesting that comic books are always trying to revert to their original setting in order to try and find success again rather than trying to find success in moving forward.

DC COULD have become the company that actually progresses and moves forward in time by letting other people take up mantles - they succeeded with Wally West, Donna could have become Wonder Woman, Dick was a fantastic Batman - but in the end, they are always going to hit the reset button.

by Anonymousreply 55003/01/2013

There's too much tied up in the public conscientiousness with the Bruce Wayne identity.It will never be permanent. On the other hand, Wally West as Flash was great. Going back to the boring Barry Allen was a mistake.DC can still do a WW Flash book,when they cancel this current one or add a new one when they cancel another new 52 title.

by Anonymousreply 55103/01/2013

Was there even a point to the Apollo/Midnighter story in the "Young Romance" special? It retread the same ground from "Stormwatch", and didn't tell us anything new about the characters. It could have been a story about anybody.

by Anonymousreply 55203/01/2013

[quote]Dick Grayson as Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin - best Batman & Robin duo. Wished it had gone on longer - actually wished that it would have become the new status quo.

Yes! I would have loved had they let this go on longer.

by Anonymousreply 55303/05/2013

Anyone actually able to download any of the free Marvel comics via comixology after their announcement at SXSW?

by Anonymousreply 55403/12/2013

And also - do we really need an 11-issue Batman Year Zero story?

by Anonymousreply 55503/12/2013

Wow, that ending to Green Lantern on CN was beautiful.

Even made me tear up when Kilowog hugged Razer.

Great seeing Razer fly out into space to find his love...and the blue ring at the end...BRILLIANT!

by Anonymousreply 55603/17/2013

[quote]And also - do we really need an 11-issue Batman Year Zero story?

Did we need "Before Watchmen?"

For the record, "Minute Men" was one of my favorite minis of late, but I don't know that the experience was so transcendent that I can't imagine my life without it.

It's really kind of a shame the success of Marvel's movies have had such a negative impact on DC. Even with Marvel having Mickey Mouse looming over them, Disney seems to be leaving them along to run their own house (to varying degrees of success), and it seems like Warner Brothers is micromanaging DC in the name of trying to get their own "Avengers" made. I'm not saying that they're getting directives on how to run the company, but it occurs to me that when Marvel started the Ultimate Universe, it was (The Ultimates in particular; Joss Whedon has commented more than once that he thinks "Avengers" looked like Bryan Hitch's art even without him trying for that) to pitch the idea of movies to studios. I think The New 52 is in a way the same thing, except that Marvel was smart enough not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Anyway, readers will love "The Green Team."

by Anonymousreply 55703/17/2013

That final episode of Young Justice was a joke.

Once again, DC must shit on Wally West. Nice to see Darkseid, but I can understand why he wasn't the baddie this season. DC is far more concerned with people seeing Blue Beetle and the lame Reach.

The most disheartening part is not just its cancellation...but trying to figure out just how DC will try and shove Jaime Reyes down our throats next.

VOTN, any ideas???

by Anonymousreply 55803/17/2013

Voice, I'm fine with Before Watchmen. When Marvel literally gives both the Avengers and X-men 27 books a month and DC has multiple characters that have four or more, I don't mind DC exploiting Watchmen this one time. They exploited so many of their properties so many other times so where is the surprise?

Green Team seems like a tax write off. I don't get that and the Movement at this point. Harras seems to be throwing anything at the wall to see of it sticks. I give them credit for daring to be different but the sad thing is that it is being done with the tired and true trope of the superhero once again.

Voice, don't worry Disney will be getting involved with the films. You'll be seeing the Disney film arm handling the films like WB does with Time Warner. Why put money into another studios pocket when you own a property? Especially with a massive powerhouse like Disney.

R558 Is that DC's decision? That's the showrunner's decision. He must have gotten the OK to feature BB from Cartoon Network(also part of the Time Warner Empire like DC).Jaime Reyes has been a bomb in the comics as well.The YJ comic will be cancelled as his comic was. No matter how hard they try BB isn't working somehow....

by Anonymousreply 55903/18/2013

DC editorial does it again! Andy Diggle off Action Comics before his run even begins. His decision.

by Anonymousreply 56003/20/2013

And now Joshua Hale Fialkov off Green Lantern Corps and Red Lanters, before his run even begins. And let's see - Keith Giffen off Legion benfore his first issue sees print, Gail Simone off then back on, artists flipping from one book to the next, writers moving off and on and back - WHATEVER DC is doing, it's doing it wrong. Either they aren't having clear direction with the creative team before moving forward with that team, OR they are coming in and meddling / changing things after directions have been agreed upon. I would bet the latter as that has been Didio's MO for years and it seems to have spread throughout upper management to a horrific degree since NEW52. It's clear that DC basically uses 'name' talent to get press for books, but at the end of the day, see most writers and artists as interchangeable.

by Anonymousreply 56103/20/2013

Giffen off Legion has more to do with the Snyder effect. Like Scott Snyder,he simply had too much on his plate and elected to drop something.Unlike a Nedis, he doesn't want to spit'hack out everything he does. The last time I looked Giffen is entrenched at DC.

Rich Johnston mentioned something about Diggle.I wonder what the reason is there?

Fialkov and the Lantern books...that's bizarre.I'm not a fan of his to be honest, though I, Vampire was OK.This must be good if what I've heard is true....

Artists flipping from one book to the next? Like when Byrne and Mantlo/Mignola did the Hulk/Alpha Flight shift? Or when an artists gets burned out and wants to do a new book. Or let's say if barrows always wanted to do Teen Titans and enjoyed drawing them and wanted to go back to that title. It happens.

I would put the blame on this point at Harras. He's the one that did Heroes Reborn this seems to be a replay of that fiasco.

Venditti and Fialkov are name talents? Really? I should alert Bendis and Morrison that their relative high perchs are being threatened then!

by Anonymousreply 56203/20/2013

Here comes the DC apologist!

It's evident DC doesn't know what it's doing. Writers are walking off books after a direction was agreed upon. To the degree that they would rather walk away than suck it up and roll with the punches. And it's not like you have rumors about writers on books, you have DC running in-house ads touting new creative teams, then the writer walking out.

And this months Supergirl? Where the solicited artist/writer, whose names are on the cover, are not the people that actually did the book?

by Anonymousreply 56303/20/2013

Sounds like Ted Kord is having his revenge at DC headquarters.

by Anonymousreply 56403/20/2013

Oh, one level of DC knows what's going on - they are doing it on purpose. You have editors that (for the most part) aren't successful writers telling real writers how and what they are supposed to write. And so far, upper management seems to be okay with the situation.

by Anonymousreply 56503/20/2013

R563 You are a Marvel zombie, you have a biased opinion. BTW I prefer what Image and Dark Horse is doing to whatever Marvel and DC are doing.I'd rather read something written by its creator than the thousandth fanboy writing characters that lost their luster a long time ago.

I'm telling it like it is, that's what makes it sting right? Bendis is a shitty hack. Harras is a not a shitty editor per se(but a shitty EIC) BUT don't let him run your line. If I were a DC zombie why would I rip him and his Heroes Redux at DC?

DC is not the only company that solicits something then does a last minute switch BUT it's happening at a much greater frequency with Harras at the helm and more than any other time. I wonder who in the fan press will take them to task. The comics Journal unfortunately barely covers mainstream comics. Can you imagine if Gary Groth sicced one of his reporters on this case. It would be an article out of the early 80s in terms of its controversy. The bait and switch quality of Dc's actions is ripe for a TCJ expose'. BTW TCJ still has a website and publishes a yearly annual. This topic is ripe for their website.

Oh do you know the story behind this month's Supergirl? What happened were you sleeping under Harras' bed to know what happened spill out your guts?;)

R656 Oddly enough I'll say.... agreed. The editors are ruling the roost if your name isn't Synder,Morrison or whatever person who seems like Mr Big that week.

Oh I also meant to say that:Unlike a Bendis, he doesn't want to spit out/hack out everything he does.

by Anonymousreply 56603/20/2013

You feathers sure do rile easily, DC Apologist. I am not a Marvel Zombie. I buy all sorts of comics from all sorts of companies. I don't know why you would think I'm a Zombie, especially from my last post which was just about DC. I wasn't talking about Marvel. You on the other hand seem intent on defending DC as they treat the talent like shit.

I'm not bashing DC because I read Marvel books as if I was 12. And i'm not enjoying seeing them dick around creators like they are. I'm just astonished, if anything.

I blame Bob Harras.

by Anonymousreply 56703/20/2013

MArvel Zombie, I cannot be a either a Marvel or a DC Zombie because I feel they are both putting out piles of shit! I also called for Groth to investigate them(DC) for this bait and switch vis-a-vis their solicitations. Groth would love to rip them a new asshole, trust me.Oh and I've roundly criticized most if not of Bob Harras moves!Once again I'd rather be reading stuff from Dark Horse or Image in the super hero genre rather than mass of crap produced by Marvel and/or DC! No offense I think you have a reading comprehension problem because in 566 I laid that all.

My previous points have to do with the shit you hear in the media. Unless you know any of the editors or writers or exactly what happened how can you make definite statements on them? A lot of the comic book reportage isn't very good. As opposed to his side/her side/the truth you usually hear his side or her side.Do you know why Giffen left Legion? What exactly happened with Diggle and Action?I don't think that Giffen leaving the Legion was all that controversial though some people are using it as grist for the mill. Josh Fialkov?! The editors fucked with him? Well did they? If they did then Harras and his editors are really ruling the roost.It happens with Alonso at Marvel too BUT Alonso is much better at controlling things and running his ship. Harras is a complete fool.

by Anonymousreply 56803/21/2013

Rich Johnston is reporting what Mark Waid alluded to in a tweet following Fialkov's departure: that editorial promises made to writers at the DC Creative Summit in Charlotte were soon broken – as early as four days later.

Apparently, Fialkov was ordered to kill off John Stewart. He didn't want to, so he walked.

by Anonymousreply 56903/21/2013

Yeah, they already have replacements so much for them turning off writers and artists! The sad fact of the matter is that when they piss off one creator 7 line up in their place to take over that godforsaken spot. Oh, the backlash will probably be that John Stewart lives.....hopefully.

by Anonymousreply 57003/21/2013

Mi Dios, gringos!

John Stewart está siendo matado?

Mira a mi amigo bueno, Milagro, conseguirá un toque(anillo) verde pronto!

by Anonymousreply 57103/21/2013

DC Apologist, I don't know why you keep calling me a Marvel Zombie. I never mention Marvel. You on the other hand keep bringing up Bendis for some reason.

I call you DC Apologist because even though you say you don't care for the stuff shoveled out by Marvel or DC, it seems to me you're constantly making excuses for DC's behavior when it's glaringly obvious the people in charge are driving talent away, which is how Harras destroyed the X-books in the 90s. The writers were ignored and disrespected so they left and the artists, with their egos puffed up thinking they could write too, left to form Image. At least we can agree Harras is bad news for DC, right?

Most comic book reporting, from the likes of CBR or Newsarama, are just press releases with a little make-up on. So point taken - read comic news with a grain of salt and don't go looking for drama where there isn't any.

But really - you can't say that DC has it's head on straight right now based on just the simple, known facts of how many people are walking off books before they even get a chance to start. Being kicked off for low sales is one thing. Taking a job and then voluntarily walking away from huge franchises points to douchebaggery in editorial. You don't have to be a fly on the wall at DC to read the signs and connect the dots that Bleeding Cool points out.

Are you just reduced to sputtering condescending neck-beard aphorisms like "I'm telling it like it is, that's what makes it sting right?" because you don't like how the news out of DC is being sensationalized?

by Anonymousreply 57203/21/2013

R572 For the gazillionth time let me spell it out for you:

1 Harras is doing a shitty job. 2 DC's creative shuffle should be investigated by someone like Gary Groth/TCJ,not the fawning fanboy press. 3 New 52 is a bunch of bullshit. 4 Killing John Stewart is a shameless money/attention grab 5 Axel Alonso is a better editor/leader than Harras is!

Someone who is making excuses for DC would never admit any of those things,let alone one of them.

With those 5 things you can tell that I don't give a shit about DC. The point that I'm trying to make is that people usually get half of the story sometimes. A friend of mine worked in comics and I knew about someone who murdered their girlfriend in the industry (which never came out), two famous Marvel/DC artists who were gay and involved and the fact that one of DC's biggest prestige projects of all time was running late beyond belief.I remember certain production people telling the press and their friends that it was on time. You could have never found out about that from a muckracker back then and possibly not now.Today you have twitter, Rich Johnston and the like and the complete story is still not coming out about certain stories. You only hear a tidbit of what is true.Remember how Venditti was removed from Costantine...where is he now? He's part of the replacement corps replacing josh Fialkov(the new Alan Moore;) )on the Lantern books.Did Giffen leave Legion because of his workload? Probably most artists are stable on their titles. Not the writers though. Once again for teh millionth time, if you are not named Snyder,Morrison or Johns you are being directed by editorial. In my opinion, they need to adopt the Joe Quesada/Marvel Knights/early Quesada EIC approach to their comics: let the creative talent do their jobs.That's what Joe Quesada was adamant about when he took over Marvel and it worked to good effect in his early years, though Joe Q did irritate people like Byrne. Then again Byrne seems to be irritated by everyone!

Someone here is claiming that it's a bait and switch that's going on in DC's solicitations.That could be the case but it seems as though their shop is run in such a chaotic way that their incompetence under Harras is showing. There's a lot of flux there.And people thought that Dick Giordano's benign grandpa approach was off base!

by Anonymousreply 57303/21/2013

I can't believe they are killing of John Stewart just after having killed off Damian Wayne.

I hate cheap comic book deaths.

And why can't these heroesever fight their villains?

by Anonymousreply 57403/21/2013

Unless there is an object lesson in there about how to run or not run a comic publisher, I don't see any reason for someone like Groth/TCJ to bother with DC's internal politics at this point. Who is in and who is out is all gossip and PR games. Comics are such a relationship-based industry that no one likes to spill the full story until long after the fact for fear of pissing off an editor.

I don't even know you and I feel like we're an old bickering married couple arguing over a point while being on the same side. So no point in prolonging this.

In other news - that's some crazy shit about Angela, innit?

by Anonymousreply 57503/21/2013

[quote]In other news - that's some crazy shit about Angela, innit?

Bassett? Lansbury? Davis? Bower?

by Anonymousreply 57603/21/2013

Yes, never would have guessed Angel Bower would be joining the Guardians of the Galaxy. She'll show em who's the boss!

by Anonymousreply 57703/21/2013

R575 A DC/First Comics editor once told me that the comics industry is a small one and that it's not a wise idea to burn bridges.That's why in this age of twitter it's fun to see who's slagging on who.

I yearn for the days when Groth exposed Giffen for literally stealing panels from Munoz and Sampayo. When they exposed shooter as a plain as day bullshit artist.The Journal was sort of comics' learned journal or its version of the NY Times. Harras' slipshod management technique would be ripe for the picking.

I find the Angela announcement to be utterly boring. I never liked Spawn and I'm not very fond of Gaiman!I liked half of his Sandman run(and wasn't excited that he is doing Sandy again)and I thought 1602 and Eternals were OK.The great surprise announcement would have been Miracleman/Marvelman. I loved what Gaiman did on that title after Alan Moore. It would be a trip to see MM return BUT Angela? Nah.......What's next? Medieval Spawn takes on the New/Old/Young Baby Avengers in a mega crossover!?

by Anonymousreply 57803/22/2013

This is exciting? A commercial character from Image jumps over to Marvel? I could care less. Marvel needed another character added to its ranks?Why couldn't have Gaiman done Angela at one of the smaller companies? Then again he's a corporate type,fixated with fame and money anyway. Oh and though he denies it ,he's a Scientologist.I will be laughing when he yanks Angela from Marvel for some perceived artistic reason. When that happens that will be laughable.

by Anonymousreply 57903/22/2013

DC really is trying to make Jamie Reyes happen - a BLUE BEETLE pest control company just opened up the street.

by Anonymousreply 58003/22/2013

Correcto, mi amigo. La corriente continua va a empujarme abajo su garganta si le gusta esto o no. Mejor hágase familiar conmigo. Debo aquí quedarme.

¡Escarabajo Azul siempre!

by Anonymousreply 58103/22/2013

I feel the same way about the Angela crossover. Who cares?

by Anonymousreply 58203/22/2013

Looks like DC just cannot let go of shoving Jaime Reyes down our throats, after all....

"WB Meeting In April To Discuss Resurrecting YOUNG JUSTICE And GREEN LANTERN: TAS?"

While their main website is down for a relaunch, the people of SMGO took to Tumblr to inform the masses that there's a small spark of hope for YOUNG JUSTICE and GREEN LANTERN: THE ANIMATED SERIES to continue. Specifically, the people behind SMGOtv are poised to launch a crowdfunded campaign (think Kickstarter) to save the two fan favorite animated shows but they must first receive the official OK from WB Animation. If they get approval, fans will be able to finance more material for the shows (episodes, OVA, film, etc.). If you want to see more YJ and GL:TAS then continue to make your voices heard right up till the April 11th meeting.

by Anonymousreply 58303/26/2013

I've said it before, I'll say it again. FF is one of the most consistently delightful books that Marvel is putting out right now.

Between that and Young Avengers, a good week.

I hope the new direction for Justice League Dark is good. I can't say I was overly impressed by the first issue of Constantine.

I don't know how I feel about the new Guardians of the Galaxy, though. Although if that's the aesthetic that they're going for with Star Lord, I can see why they cast Chris Pratt in the movie. Have they announced casting for Gamora yet?

by Anonymousreply 58403/31/2013

I love FF. What Michael Allred does with Medusa's hair is sheer perfection.

I see Bendis is now tearing down the Vision, just as he did with Wanda. Of course, this week's announcement of a post-Age of Ultron book starring Vizh dilutes the impact.

Seriously underwhelmed with Guardians of the Galaxy. So far, I much prefer Abnett & Lanning's take.

by Anonymousreply 58503/31/2013

RIP, Carmine Infantino.

by Anonymousreply 58604/05/2013

Is it awful that I'm more surprised that he was still alive until yesterday?

by Anonymousreply 58704/05/2013

So, what do we think of Age of Ultron? I'm kind of like 'meh'. Has that DC Trinity series started yet? I'm still hoping they soon flush out the current leadership at DC Comics and hit the reset button to Pre-Flashpoint continuity.

by Anonymousreply 58804/17/2013

Bump!

by Anonymousreply 58904/26/2013

Just read "Young Avengers" #1 yesterday. Did anyone else think it was kind of terrible? I'm disappointed.

by Anonymousreply 59004/26/2013

You know, I was just thinking "You know what Justice League Dark needs?" "The Flash!"

There's something seriously messed up when Smallville Season 11 is the only comic they're putting out that I enjoy every issue.

by Anonymousreply 59104/26/2013

I've heard nothing but raves about Young Avengers, R590. I'm not as gung-ho as everyone else seems to be, but I'd never say it was terrible. There's a very fun two-page spread in the current issue (#4) depicting Noh-Varr in action. Here's what Newsarama says about this issue:

"It's been a while since Kieron Gillen's Young Avengers really lived up to the amazing potential of its first issue, but with issue #4, Gillen and co. have once again knocked one out of the park ... There's a perfect balance of teen drama and superhero madness in Young Avengers #4, fully solidifying its place among the new wave of Marvel titles seemingly dedicated to pushing boundaries and appealing to a hipper crowd."

by Anonymousreply 59204/27/2013

I think if people are disappointed in YA, they're disappointed that it's not Allan Heinberg and Jim Cheung's YA. But Gillen and McKelvie said from the outset that they knew they couldn't put out that book, so they weren't going to try, and instead try to keep it alive in spirit. And I think they're mostly successful.

I wasn't wild about Kate (who's been rocking it in the pages of Hawkeye) disappearing for most of the first three issues, but #4 proves that she is not diminished when Matt Fraction isn't writing her.

Plus, the emotional center of the book is a gay couple and Miss America has two mommies.

by Anonymousreply 59304/27/2013

I liked the original YA series and thought the second series was over-stuffed, but neither is affecting my judgement of YA #1. More than just not liking it, I thought it was, on both writing and art, amateur work. Story-beats felt off. The direction wasn't clear. The dialog was stiff and dull.

I also found Gillen's run on Journey Into Mystery a bit of a chore to get through. Maybe it was too many crossovers? Maybe Gillen just isn't my thing. I didn't even bother finishing the run.

by Anonymousreply 59404/30/2013

You know, it juts know occurred to me that Star Wars is probably headed back to Marvel. I wonder if Dark Horse can survive losing such a significant chunk of real estate, especially since Lucas' contracts always had him (or, now I suppose Mickey Mouse) retaining the rights.

It turns out time actually is circular.

by Anonymousreply 59505/03/2013

I heard the Legion of Super Heroes is getting cancelled, AGAIN! Wow! This DC Reboot is sucking ass big time.

by Anonymousreply 59605/13/2013

Anyone else reading this Injustice: Gods Among Us shit? It's like trash reality TV. I recognize that it's terrible, yet I keep downloading it.

by Anonymousreply 59705/13/2013

[quote]I heard the Legion of Super Heroes is getting cancelled, AGAIN! Wow! This DC Reboot is sucking ass big time.

Mark Waid and Phil Jimenez were ripping DC for that on Twitter yesterday.

by Anonymousreply 59805/14/2013

As a longtime LSH fan, I'm not terribly disappointed with the cancellation. The "New 52" LSH was the worst incarnation since I started reading back in the Cockrum days. I loved Paul Levitz' initial run, but this was just dreck. And more often than not, the art made my eyes bleed.

Not too excited by the Justice Legion rumors, though.

by Anonymousreply 59905/14/2013

Legion is a DC franchise, so it will be back soon.

One of the problems now is that there are so many versions of the Legion that the potential fanbase is splintered.

I'm a fan of the old-school Legion who thinks it works best when tied to Superboy/Superman.

by Anonymousreply 60005/14/2013
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