Why is she considered one of the best political speech writers in history?
|by Anonymous||reply 65||07/03/2013|
By whom, exactly?
|by Anonymous||reply 1||09/03/2011|
God, these freeper trolls are everywhere.
Peggy Noonan is considered a right wing hack, a bad writer, and something of a joke in political circles. Remember when Rick Lazio lost his debate to Hilary Clinton so badly that even the right wing press admitted it? Peggy Noonan wrote a column the next day saying Lazio had crushed Clinton into insignificance, and it was the end of her career.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||09/03/2011|
[quote]Why is she considered one of the best political speech writers in history?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||09/03/2011|
Every time she mentions Ronald Reagan, she sounds like a drunken nun with her hand in her pants. Cannot listen to her.%0D %0D And that's not counting her politics.
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|by Anonymous||reply 5||09/03/2011|
a few years ago on Morning Joe - it was the Wednesday before Thanksgiving...Peggy was discussing - again - when she worked for RR...she recounted that when she and the other women in her office heard the helicopter landing they would say "daddyyyy'ssss home"
there was complete shock and silence as everyone just stared at her
it was a fantastic moment and shows how fucking deranged she really is
|by Anonymous||reply 6||09/03/2011|
She is mentally ill.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||09/03/2011|
Isn't Peggy Noonan a drunk -- a half in the bag most days drunk?
|by Anonymous||reply 8||09/03/2011|
Her most acclaimed words -written for RR at the tragic memorial for the lost crew of the blown up shuttle - were actually lifted from a poem. I don't remember if the poem was credited in his speech, but I don't think so.%0D %0D %0D %0D The poem%0D "High Flight"%0D %0D Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth%0D And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;%0D Sunward I%E2%80%99ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth%0D of sun-split clouds, %E2%80%94 and done a hundred things%0D You have not dreamed of %E2%80%94 wheeled and soared and swung%0D High in the sunlit silence. Hov%E2%80%99ring there,%0D I%E2%80%99ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung%0D My eager craft through footless halls of air....%0D %0D Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue%0D I%E2%80%99ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.%0D Where never lark, or even eagle flew %E2%80%94%0D And, while with silent lifting mind I have trod%0D The high untrespassed sanctity of space,%0D - Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.%0D %0D %0D %0D - John McGee %0D %0D %0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 9||09/03/2011|
Piggy Noonan, another right wing homophobic loon that some gay person actually admires? I just cry for the stupidity of gay people at times.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||09/03/2011|
She's also acclaimed for Reagan's speech on the 40th anniversary of D-Day.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||09/03/2011|
R11, how wonderful for the planet Earth.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||09/03/2011|
Well, R9 -- in all fairness to Noonan, she may very well have attributed the poem to its author (most writers would do so) & idiot Reagan just didn't realize he was supposed to mention that part.
After all, he's the guy who said that he played Pres Grover Cleveland in the movies, when the character he portrayed was actually baseball pitcher Grover Cleveland Alexander.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||09/03/2011|
Peggy (tinkle tinkle tinkle - the sounds of ice cubes clanging together in her cocktail glass) Noonan is a raging alcoholic. Watch her on Meet The Press on a Sunday morning. She hasn't been to bed yet, up all night sipping cocktails. That's our Peggy (vodka can't be detected on the breath) Noonan all right.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||09/03/2011|
She is as insane as Bachmann.....all jibberish.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||09/03/2011|
[quote] (tinkle tinkle tinkle - the sounds of ice cubes clanging together in her cocktail glass) It might be the sound of trickle-down economics. It's so hard to tell sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||09/03/2011|
She's an institution and part of the DC elite.%0D The Right gave up on her when she trashed Palin.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||09/03/2011|
She was actually quite entertaining when she trashed Palin.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||09/03/2011|
Is she really an alcoholic? Any links to back that up? She looks like one.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||09/03/2011|
Even Sally Quinn thinks she's a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||09/03/2011|
I have no absolute proof if she is or isn't though I've heard she may be one over the years.
It could be character assassination, I suppose, but I want to to think she's a drunk, so I do.
Google "Peggy Noonan" and "alcohol" and see what pops up -- quite a lot actually.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||09/03/2011|
Peggy Noonan is a moron, only admired by fellow morons. Her works are chock-full of errors. Nobody with brains likes her.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||09/03/2011|
She's probably one of the only people who shows up on the Sunday morning infotainment gabfests whom none of us has ever seen sober. She maintains a buzz all the time, and thinks that nobody notices.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||09/03/2011|
Takes one to know one, R20.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||09/03/2011|
She hated Bush, so that's points.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||09/03/2011|
I have enjoyed her drunken DataLounge posts for years, although she doesn't seem to post here so much anymore. Pat Buchanan's shrill sister, either.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||09/03/2011|
I think she's had a thousand pints of Lite.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||09/03/2011|
She went from Dan Rather's radio show to the White House; apparently, somebody on Reagan's time liked her copy, even if it was written for a liberal like Rather.
Probably her best work was Reagan's "the boys of Pont du Hoc" speech, given as the guys who scaled the D-day cliffs looked on.
Later, she came up with Bush I's "I'll try to hold my vaunted charisma in check" after Bush asked Reagan if he could borrow her.
Her WSJ columns are concise, and a bit conversational.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||09/03/2011|
Careful (r28). You're not toeing the line here.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||09/03/2011|
R29, you've got a point. People here seem to have a psychotic devotion to reality.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||09/03/2011|
I don't think DataLounge's ultra-conservative "peg" is a reference to Peggy Noonan, do you?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||09/04/2011|
Uhm, because she isn't?
She's a Reagan-obsessed right wing kook, who can spew anything as if it's a term paper she has slaved over.....Oh, while drinking heavily!
|by Anonymous||reply 32||09/04/2011|
No, r31, I was referring to posts that would say something like, "Ish morning again in America." and would be signed "Peggy Noonan, clinking the ice cubes in my scotch."
|by Anonymous||reply 33||09/04/2011|
She also confidently predicted Bill Clinton would not win a second term as President (against Dole!), which only proves her gifts of prophesy are not as strong as her gift for raising her finger to gesture for a refill.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||09/04/2011|
%0D Her written word is much better than her spoken word.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||09/04/2011|
She'sh alwaysh been a big fan of mine!
Oh and vishee, vershee
|by Anonymous||reply 36||09/04/2011|
Her written word is quite useful if you're a pet-owner.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||09/04/2011|
She is insufferable and hateful, but she can write extremely well. Pretending that she has no talent is just willful stupidity. Very DL.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||09/05/2011|
The correct DL reference to this person has always been, "Gin-Soaked Peggy Noonan"
|by Anonymous||reply 39||09/05/2011|
Google 'peggington noonington Jim Newell' for wonderful critiques of her 'work'.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||09/05/2011|
I don't think there's a person alive who can possibly sound more haughty than she does.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||09/05/2011|
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|by Anonymous||reply 42||07/02/2013|
I like her. I can understand why she would not appeal to the men here. She is a woman who has made her mark, regardless of the unanimous opinion, in the realm of politics.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||07/02/2013|
Assuming that you are a real woman, and not a snark creation, R43, my Republican-voting mom finds Peggy too much to take.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||07/02/2013|
"It might be the sound of trickle-down economics. It's so hard to tell sometimes."
The trickle trickle sound seems more like incontinence to me. Though it's hard to tell the difference between that and the economists.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||07/02/2013|
I am embarrassed to admit this because I hate Peggy so much, but this thread prompted me to go watch some of her Reagan D-Day anniversary speech on YouTube, and I actually started crying. Extraordinary how potent cheap music is.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||07/02/2013|
I can't stand her fucking sing song tone when she speaks. I usually just turn off whatever channel shoe is on.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||07/02/2013|
I believe she wrote the Challenger speech Regan gave the afternoon or evening the shuttle exploded.
"We will never forget them, not the last time we saw them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds of earth to touch the face of God."
|by Anonymous||reply 48||07/02/2013|
Peggy Noonan writes a bizarre syndicated Sunday newspaper column every week. It is usually based on feelings Peggy has about what's going on inside the brains of people Peggy barely knows. Conjecture, odd barely contextual observations and opinions offered as fact, and a gimlet-eyed nostalgia for some sort of nirvana that never was under her sexual ideal Ronald Reagan.
Peggy seems tipsy anytime she appears on tv unless it's very early in the morning, and seems like a sad alcoholic. Her obsession with all things Reagan, and her bizarre pronouncements about her homemade facts is as amusing as it is troubling. The reptation she seems to still have as some sort of serious thinker is inexplicable to sentient beings, in my opinion.
I find the courage to read her column usually on Tuesday mornings, and it generally causes some of my brain to liquify and leak out of my ears. Try it!
|by Anonymous||reply 49||07/02/2013|
Heh, if you give good head, Peggy's your girl! She swallows and men love a cum pig who swallows!
|by Anonymous||reply 50||07/02/2013|
I think she's a national treasure.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||07/02/2013|
I doubt she drinks, but if she were self-medicating when she did, she's likely on medication now. In any event she does have a very unusual speech pattern, dragging things out. She's also extremely far right. In fact, like Nancy Reagan, she was probably farther to the right than Ronnie was and led him even farther that direction in her speeches. All that oozy religion and romanticism while workers starve is how she thinks.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||07/02/2013|
behind you are the cliffs of Normandy; before you are the boys of Pont du Hoc.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||07/02/2013|
"In fact, like Nancy Reagan, she was probably farther to the right than Ronnie was and led him even farther that direction in her speeches."
I don't think that's true about Nancy. I've always read that, while she was certainly no liberal, she nevertheless regarded the really true-believer movement conservatives around Reagan with some wariness, and if she was going to push him in any direction on an issue, it would be toward what she perceived as the center rather than the right.
Although in general, I don't think she ever cared as much about influencing policy as she did personnel (particularly eliminating people who crossed her, e.g. Don Regan) and scheduling (making sure his appearances and trips were scheduled in accordance with her astrologer's recommendations).
|by Anonymous||reply 54||07/02/2013|
Peggy once saw a Mexican.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||07/02/2013|
R54, I'm not the poster you quoted but I do recall something like this about Nancy.
Her politics supposedly came from her worship of her step-father. He was some kind of John Bircher or in a similar group. He had money and was higher up the social ladder than her father. Young Nancy took on all of step-daddy's views as her own. They were certainly more extreme than Ronnie's and we do know that Nancy was influential with Ronnie, beyond scheduling.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||07/02/2013|
Peggy Noonan's claim to fame is that when she shows up on one of the Sunday morning pundit shows, she's already consumed most of a fifth of vodka.
She's got a hard-on for St. Ronnie, simply because he hired her to be a speech-writer her at a time (the last 70 years) where she simply did not possess any skills that qualified her for any job. They love her on the pundit shows because she has the one skill that they value--the ability to say something absolutely stupid with total conviction.
And ever night, she masturbates herself to sleep with a 35-year-old dried jalapeño the exact shape and size of Ronald Reagan's penis (while he was alive.)
|by Anonymous||reply 57||07/02/2013|
Not true, R54. Ronnie was a union official when he started dating Nancy. She introduced him to conservative ideas. Her family was staunch republican living in the Chicago suburbs. Her views ware along the lines of the Ayn Rand nonsense about the brilliant needing to be free to rise to the top (on the backs of others of lesser worth, of course). He got out of the union, turned in others to McCarthy's committee. As his acting career was losing steam, he started doing commercials for GE, while she continued to educate him. As she formed him, he became an increasingly attractive figure in the republican party. He was drafted to run for governor.
Do you remember his funeral? The jet had to leave DC by a certain time and go like hell to get to the burial site in California so that the ceremony could take place as the sun was setting. Nancy was insistent, again the romantic vision of his image. Ironically, she saw them as the rich and smart, while taking charity from friends, who bought them the house they lived in and paid for other things. Oh, and after he ended his presidency, unlike other presidents who helped their parties or got involved with charitable foundations, he charged big bucks to give speeches overseas to enrich himself. With Nancy's encouragement.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||07/02/2013|
"A kinder gentler nation" "A thousand points of light" "Read my lips no new taxes!"
She's regarded as a great speech writer because she was instrumental in getting George HW Bush elected in 1988. He was derided as a wimp and Dukakis was ahead by 18 points. Bush came out of the GOP convention triumphant and won the election decisively.
That was a long time ago and she has since been an ABSURD commentator but credit where credit is due.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||07/02/2013|
r56 and r58, you make good points about the period when Reagan and Nancy first got together when he was shifting from Democrat to Republican, which may have been what r52 was referring to. I was thinking more along the lines of once he had already gone into politics, when I don't think Nancy ever gave much of a shit about tax policy or eliminating the Department of Education or any of that conservative stuff, and when I think if anything she was against the "Evil Empire"/hardline stuff on the Soviet Union and wanted him to be seen as a peacemaker with Gorbachev (despite her intense personal loathing of Raisa).
And yes, r58, regarding your last paragraph, an obsession with visuals/optics and an intense sense of greed and acquisitiveness were always far more powerful driving forces for Nancy Reagan than any policy positions ever were!
|by Anonymous||reply 60||07/02/2013|
R59, did you ever see the photo of Dukakis in the tank? Eviscerated him. Bush 41 was sufficiently athletic and Dukakis just looked like a doofus. After Lee Atwater made sure that photo got plenty of exposure, Dukakis' ratings dropped like a rock. Then there was the Willy Horton ad, another Atwater success. Dukakis seemed completely incompetent.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||07/02/2013|
Yes I know [R61] those events were after the convention. It was THAT acceptance speech that changed the dynamics of the election.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||07/02/2013|
[quote]I doubt she drinks
And you'd be wrong!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||07/02/2013|
There's too much nonsense about alcohol. If she were really drinking, they wouldn't let her on the air for fear of some major embarrassment. That doesn't mean she isn't medicated and crazy. She could do an amazing Blanche DuBois.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||07/03/2013|
She seemed to have disappeared for a time after the 2012 election.
She was one of those who thought Romney had in the bag. Her reasoning? He had more lawn signs.
The last few months she has started popping up again on the Sunday shows.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||07/03/2013|