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Why was Estelle Getty not in "Torch Song Trilogy" the movie?

Everyone else reprises their roles from the stage show, but Anne Bancroft fills in for Estelle.%0D

by Anonymousreply 3210/30/2013

Probably because she was doing Golden Girls at that time. Also, Matthew Broderick did not reprise his stage role either. He played the role of Arnold's lover in the movie and on stage he was Arnold's adopted son.

by Anonymousreply 108/05/2011

"He played the role of Arnold's lover in the movie and on stage he was Arnold's adopted son."%0D %0D Oh that's messed!%0D

by Anonymousreply 208/05/2011

It's called acting.

Harvey must have been hurt because he told the press he wrote the part with Bancroft in mind.

by Anonymousreply 308/05/2011

r2 That's true. I remember listening to Harvey's narrative on the DVD and he said he felt so weird that he wanted to give Broderick a cookie and tuck him into bed since he was accustomed to Broderick playing the role of his son on stage.%0D %0D Also, an actor, Tate Donovan, was hired to play his lover in the movie, but Harvey fired him and replaced him with Broderick.

by Anonymousreply 408/05/2011

r3 did u mean Estelle?

by Anonymousreply 508/05/2011

Estelle Getty was not doing Golden Girls when the film version of Torch Song was made. The movie was released in 1982 and Golden Girls premiered in 1985.

by Anonymousreply 610/29/2013

Hey R6, Genius, the film "Torch Song Trilogy" was released in 1988. Dimwit!

by Anonymousreply 710/29/2013

At least they didn't give the part to Shirley Jones.

by Anonymousreply 810/29/2013

Because no one outside of Broadway had ever heard of Estelle Getty in 1982.

by Anonymousreply 910/29/2013

Anne Bancroft got top billing, and as an Oscar-Emmy-Tony winner her status in the industry was higher than Estelle.

by Anonymousreply 1010/29/2013

And Fisher Stevens played David not Matthew Broderick! You guys need to get your facts right.

by Anonymousreply 1110/29/2013

Anne Bancroft was HORRENDOUS in that movie, overacting shamelessly. Too bad Estelle didn't get the part.

by Anonymousreply 1210/29/2013

Paul Joynt originated the part of Alan. Shortly after leaving the show he killed himself.

He couldn't cope with being beautiful.

by Anonymousreply 1310/29/2013

{13} shortly after the show ended??? he killed himself in 2001. he was a beauty, though.....

by Anonymousreply 1410/29/2013

Facts just want to be used. Is that so wrong?

by Anonymousreply 1510/29/2013

[quote]And Fisher Stevens played David not Matthew Broderick! You guys need to get your facts right.

OMG r11!! How embarrassing for you. Fisher Stevens played the part ON Broadway. Matthew Broderick originated the role OFF Broadway and then did Brighton Beach Memoirs instead of the Torch Song transfer.

by Anonymousreply 1610/29/2013

Italian Anne Bancroft played a Jewish mother better than most actual Jewish mothers.

by Anonymousreply 1710/29/2013

Because her Alzheimer's already was taking a toll.

by Anonymousreply 1810/29/2013

yet she could due 5 more years of GG in front of a live audience r19? try again

by Anonymousreply 1910/29/2013

"Italian Anne Bancroft played a Jewish mother better than most actual Jewish mothers."

Jewish Estelle Getty played an Italian mother better than most actual Italian mothers.

by Anonymousreply 2010/29/2013

I love Anne Bancroft but hammy doesn't begin to describe some of her performances.

Torch Song is a mess of a movie.

by Anonymousreply 2110/29/2013

r21, the other Golden Girls, and people who worked on the show, have talked about her having terrible problems remembering lines, and the stress it caused her and everyone else on the set. I don't know if this was happening from the very beginning or not, but from what they say, it doesn't sound like something that only developed toward the end of the show's run - it sounds like a long-standing thing.

by Anonymousreply 2210/30/2013

It was just a given that in the last years of GG and EN that they had to write all her lines on cue cards.

Even her last acting gig, touched by an angel, it was edited in such a way that it is obvious to a trained eye she was reading off cue cards.

by Anonymousreply 2310/30/2013

Apart from her having to read her lines of cue cards by the late 80s, Estelle Getty wasn't really a good enough actor for film.

by Anonymousreply 2410/30/2013

R13, I used to see Paul Joynt in Hell's Kitchen a lot. He definitely looked like he had an AIDS-related illness. It was very sad to look at him because he was so beautiful in Torch Song Trilogy. If he killed himself it's because he felt he was facing a death sentence, anyway.

Anne Bancroft played several roles originated on film by other actresses. Three I can name off the top of my head are Prisoner of Second Avenue, Night, Mother and Agnes of God.

by Anonymousreply 2510/30/2013

Don't forget 80 Charring Cross Road R27

by Anonymousreply 2610/30/2013

Paul Joynt the epitome of the midwest

by Anonymousreply 2710/30/2013

r28 That's one of my favorite films. What a hoot to see Hopkins and Dench so young. The way Bancroft tosses off those oh-so-hip lines always makes me smile.

by Anonymousreply 2810/30/2013

R26 Estelle did several movies.

In the last season of GG, Estelle's pacing and timing noticeably slowed down.

by Anonymousreply 2910/30/2013

Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember her role on Empty Nest being that taxing. She'd show up say a few lines and leave, right?

by Anonymousreply 3010/30/2013
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