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Where was Poppy Bush on 11/22/1963?

He couldn't remember, so let's help him out.

On the night of 11/21/1963 Poppy attended an oil contractor's assoc. meeting, and stayed for drinks afterward.

Sometime between that meeting and 1:45 PM, the next day, when he made the phone call stating he may have a lead in who killed JFK, from Tyler TX, his friend, Zappo's (owned a private offshore drilling co with many ties to Wall St) private plane transported him to Tyler. Remember Barbara Bush's fake letter to Zappa.

And please do not forget about Jack Crichton, good friend of Poppy, who ran an intelligence unit assigned to the oil industry, and who at one time was a running mate of Poppy Bush. He played a CRUCIAL role the day JFK was shot.

by Anonymousreply 11009/21/2014

Let's just say there's a good reason Poppy led off his eulogy of Gerald Ford by praising Ford's service on the Warren Commission rather than extolling the virtues of his presidency.

by Anonymousreply 106/19/2011

[quote]Remember Barbara Bush's fake letter to Zappa. Wow -- the JFK assassination was some Mothers of Invention freakout? That might be trying too hard, Frank.

by Anonymousreply 206/19/2011

JFK's Assassination was a coup that we have never recovered from.

They would have killed Eisenhower if they had a chance.

by Anonymousreply 306/19/2011

Eisenhower's speech against the Military Industrial Establishment is directly linked to why JFK was killed.

by Anonymousreply 406/19/2011

Here's the overlooked story of Jack Crichton, good buddy who had a working relationship with Poppy, and Joe Zeppa, the private plane owner who Barbara, intentionally, on purpose, referred to as Zappo.

Crichton, served the OSS during WWII. In 1959, he, and Poppy Bush raised funds for the CIA's "Operation 40" (originally it was set up to organize sabotage operations against Fidel Castro) which evolved into a team of assassins, and who ran a baffling array of companies -- which tended to change names frequently, operating below the radar, fronting for some big names, including the Bronfmans (Seagram's liquor), the Du Ponts, and the Kuhn-Loeb family of financiers -- created an underground communications bunker (488th Military Intelligence Detachment) underneath the museum, that was in full operation the day JFK was shot.

A few of the guys from this intelligence unit bullied their way into the pilot car of Kennedy's motorcade. One of the guys in the car, Crichton's good friend, Deputy Police Chief George L. Lumpkin, also a member of intel unit. 40-50 members of the Dallas police department were members of Crichton's military intelligence unit.

Moreover, Crichton insisted on choosing the translator, Ilya Mamantov, who translated what Marina Oswald had to say the day after JFK's assassination. The reason why should be obvious.

by Anonymousreply 506/19/2011

Oswald - and Oswald alone - killed JFK. Period.

by Anonymousreply 606/19/2011


by Anonymousreply 806/19/2011

The Bush family is evil incarnate.

by Anonymousreply 906/19/2011

Fascinating speculations on about a picture of a guy who looks like young George Herbert Walker Bush in front of the Texas School Book Depository as the Kennedy motorcade passed in Dallas around the time Kennedy was shot. Oswald, who worked in the building, was later accused of firing all the shots. The speculation about the photograph of the Bush lookalike in Dealey Plaza is made in reference to a "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" in a November 29, 1963, memo from J. Edgar Hoover about the Kennedy assassination. Bush, the memo says, had been briefed by Hoover about the reactions of anti-Castro Cubans in Miami to the JFK assassination. George H.W. Bush has maintained he was not yet part of the CIA at that time, though later he was its director. And while the authenticity of the memo hasn't been questioned, authorities claimed it was a different George Bush. The Flocco site shows a picture from the front of the Texas School Book Depository the day of the assassination with a figure who looks enough like young George Bush senior to be him. The site shows a few pictures of the young Bush for comparison. There is a great deal of supporting evidence indicating that this may well be the case. Bush was one of the only people in the world who claimed not to remember where he was when JFK was assassinated. Flocco runs through a great deal of fascinating information on this page, and though some is hard to follow, it gives a sense of a pattern that needs a final connecting piece or two to be complete and stand out in bold relief.

by Anonymousreply 1006/19/2011

I saw that picture, R10, and Nixon also claimed he did not know

by Anonymousreply 1106/19/2011

In addition, the Texas School Book Depositary was a text-book wholesale company, and largely empty before the killing took place. It was owned by D. Harold Bird, a powerful right-winged oil man directly connected to George Bush and George DeMorinshield, Lee Havery Oswald's handler, who was also a friend of Poppy Bush, and who, after he went to Bush for help, ended up dead several months later..

by Anonymousreply 1206/19/2011

The only solution to the problem of the Bush family is the Romanov solution.

by Anonymousreply 1306/19/2011

What is even more fascinating, OP, is the fact that Obama's mother, father and stepfather were all CIA ops as well. The link details the copious evidence.

Clinton was a Rhodes scholar, and the connections to the CIA from a young age are interesting. Hilary too.

Bush 2 is a given. Reagan was a pawn for Poppy.

Face it people- we've been living in an undeclared police state for nearly 50 years, and the CIA is just one portion of it.

by Anonymousreply 1406/19/2011

CNN's Anderson Cooper spent summers interning for a career with the Central Intelligence Agency, according to a report at a gossip website.

"Following his sophomore and junior years at Yale%E2%80%94a well-known recruiting ground for the CIA%E2%80%94Cooper spent his summers interning at the agency's monolithic headquarters in Langley, Virginia, in a program for students interested in intelligence work," reports Radar Online.

"His involvement with the agency ended there, and he chose not to pursue a job with the agency after graduation, according to a CNN spokeswoman, who confirmed details of Cooper's CIA involvement to Radar." See this article. And thanks to Brad Funkhouser for this post.

Of course, if the evil Cooper were one of many CIA assets in the media, he would hardly admit it.

UPDATE from Chris VanLandingham: "According to Wikipedia, after Anderson 'left' the CIA he went to Burma and got involved with dissident students fighting the government there while claiming to be a reporter though having no affiliation with any news outlet. After that he went to Vietnam, Somalia, Bosnia, and Rwanda. Nope can't be CIA. He would have told us."

by Anonymousreply 1506/19/2011

Kennedy was killed by a group of high level CIA operatives who were deeply involved in the Bay of Pigs disaster. They hated JFK for allowing their operatives to be killed in order to not set off a war. Kennedy also fired head of CIA and military and ordered that the CIA and military not be connected too tightly in these kind of actions in the future. They hated him for it.%0D %0D A big time CIA guy named Engleton was head of the group. A lot of the Cuban, anti-Castro guys were in it.(The guy from Watergate, what's his name?) They did assassinate other world leaders. There was a report Engleton was seen meeting with Oswald just weeks before Nov 22. The Warren Commission ignored it.%0D %0D A CIA guy named Meyer was figuring it out. He and his wife lived next door to RFK in Langley, VA. There's a bad bend in the road there. First his dog was mowed down and killed, then his son was mowed down and killed. His wife Mary left him to protect the other children and somewhere in there she started a passionate affair with JFK. It is surmised she knew some secrets. She was murdered. The day she was murdered - Ben Bradlee found Engleton in her house searching for something. Apparently it was her diary. Lots of spec about what happened to that diary. Google - Mary Meyer - you will see. %0D %0D Engelton ended up dying a alcohol fueled death in Mexico - along with several of his CIA assassination squad buddies. %0D %0D Anyway. Right before he died in the 90's - former CIA operative Meyer was interviewed. When asked who killed his wife Mary, his answer was:%0D %0D "The same sons of bitches who killed JFK"

by Anonymousreply 1606/19/2011

Gimme a break. If these conspiracies were true, some one would have blown the whistle and become a multimillionaire

by Anonymousreply 1706/19/2011

R16 here.%0D %0D Sorry that should be Angleton. There has been much written about him. Suspicions abound. %0D %0D Read about him. Patiot or traitor? Take your pick.

by Anonymousreply 1806/19/2011

This thread is our equivalent of the birthers. BTW, whatever came of the (never missing from the boarding house) curtain rods LHO claimed to have with him on the commute to work on 11/22/63?

by Anonymousreply 1906/19/2011

Although he denies it, there is a growing body of evidence that George Bush was working for the CIA as early as 1961. Many feel he was actually recruited during his college days (which is when he joined the Skull and Bones Society, a front for the Illuminati). Bush claims to have been working for his own oil company during the early 1960's. It would make for a convenient front since he claims to have been off- shore on drilling rigs for weeks at a time. The rigs were located all over the world. Was he really on the rigs or was he running around on CIA business? The various biographies of Bush are all sketchy on this phase of his life. %0D %0D %0D During this time, Bush had moved to Huston, Texas. His wife was, of course, Barbara. His oil company was ZAPATA Off Shore Co. (which he named after a communist Mexican revolutionary who would invade towns and murder every man, woman and child, a questionable choice for a hero). The code name for the Bay of Pigs invasion was Operation ZAPATA! A former high-ranking Pentagon official, Col. Fletcher Prouty, was the man who secured two Navy ships for the operation. He has told of seeing the two ships repainted to non-Navy colors for the invasion. The ships were given the new names HOUSTON and BARBARA.%0D %0D %0D Of course, maybe the names were just coincidences, but Bush was living in Houston with Barbara and running Zapata in 1961 during the planning of the invasion. The name "Operation Zapata" was top secret and known only to a very few. %0D %0D %0D In 1977 and 1978, the government released nearly 100,000 pages of documents on the Kennedy assassination. One which slipped out by mistake was from the FBI to the State Department written a few days after the assassination. The State Department was worried that anti- Castro groups in Miami might stage another invasion of Cuba in the aftermath of the JFK murder. The FBI informed them that they had questioned both pro-Castro and anti-Castro groups and could find no information about such plans. The memo went on to state that the information was passed along to "George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" the day after the assassination. %0D %0D %0D Why was the information passed along to the CIA? Probably because of their previous invasion attempt and other planned attacks. Why George Bush? Probably because he was involved in previous invasion plans.%0D %0D %0D When the document first surfaced no one paid much attention to it. When the presidential campaigns began for the 1980 election then the name George Bush caught researchers' eyes. When asked about the memo, Bush denied working for the CIA at the time. As evidence built that it was indeed him, the CIA claimed it was a different George Bush although their policy had always been to neither confirm nor deny a person's employment. The other George Bush was tracked down by reporters and said that although he did work for the CIA at the time, he was never involved in that sort of work. The interesting point is that the CIA did not bother to contact the other George Bush and inform him that reporters might soon be calling. Other evidence surfaced that showed the George Bush mentioned in the document was actually George H. W. Bush and had the same address as the famous George Bush%0D .%0D %0D Another Bush connection involved George de Mohrenschildt, a rich Russian oil man who lived in Texas when Lee Harvey Oswald settled there after his trip to the Soviet Union. De Mohrenschildt was a long-time CIA agent and quite possibly served as a CIA control officer for Oswald. The Warren Commission described him and his wife as being the two people friendliest to Oswald at the time of the assassination. De Mohrenschildt's son-in-law told the Warren Commission that if anyone had helped with the assassination it was most likely de Mohrenschildt. De Mohrenschildt was also the man who moved Oswald to Dallas. %0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 2006/19/2011

Shortly before the House Select Committee on Assassinations started meeting in the late 1970's a new doctor appeared in de Mohrenschildt's town. De Mohrenschildt started seeing him and quickly became mentally unstable. His wife convinced him to stop seeing the doctor. The doctor then moved away and left a false forwarding address. The very day the Committee tried to contact de Mohrenschildt about testifying, he was found dead of a gun shot wound. His personal address book was found and it contained the entry "Bush, George H. W. (Poppy) 1412 W. Ohio also Zapata Petroleum Midland." Bush's full name is George Herbert Walker Bush which matches the initials given and his earlier oil company was named Zapata Petroleum Corp. Why was his name in de Mohrenschildt's book? Is "Poppy" his CIA code name?%0D %0D %0D It is known that in the early 1960's de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Houston, which was the location of Bush's home. He told friends he was visiting the Brown brothers, who were close friends and financial supporters of Lyndon Johnson. CIA documents reveal that during the planning phase of Operation Zapata, de Mohrenschildt made frequent trips to Mexico and Panama and gave reports to the CIA. His son-in-law told the Warren Commission that he believed de Mohrenschildt was spying for the planned Cuban invasion%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D When Bush was picked to be director of the CIA in 1976, he testified to Congress that he had never worked for the CIA before. Of course, it did not make much sense to appoint a director who had no such back- ground but Congress approved him anyway. Now it would seem that Bush committed perjury in his congressional testimony. %0D %0D %0D %0D George Bush was apparently high enough in the CIA to help plan the Bay of Pigs invasion. It would probably be safe to assume that he even named the operation and its two ships. Considering the hatred that the CIA felt toward Kennedy over their failed mission and Bush's involvement in that same mission, it would be quite interesting to know what Bush's feelings toward John F. Kennedy really were and what his full role in the assassination investigation was. %0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 2106/19/2011

Not only do straight men post here, they apparently include Jesse Ventura.

by Anonymousreply 2206/19/2011

Bushco = Death

by Anonymousreply 2306/19/2011

To all the posters who believe that the assassination of JFK was a CIA job, or at the least a cover up-

Why the FUCK would you vote for anyone but Ron Paul? He's the ONLY prez candidate that has even questioned the official party line!

After the murder of Jack and Bobby, Ted just rolled over like a bitch. Follow the money.

by Anonymousreply 2406/19/2011

Because he's an idiot who would damage our prosperity R24. What has Ron Paul ever done to help the truth come out?%0D %0D Frankly, much as I hate the Bushes, I think some of you give them too much credit. This was strictly military. The CIA couldn't have planned a "triangulated crossfire" if their pinhead lives depended on it. Indeed if you look at the history of disinformation on this issue, virtually all of it has been to protect the Pentagon and Generals Walker and Lemnitzer, the obvious suspects.

by Anonymousreply 2506/19/2011

Give it up, R19. You belong to the small and ever dwindling minority who defend the Warren Report. Neither time nor truth is on your side.

by Anonymousreply 2606/19/2011

Traitor is patriot spelled backwards.

by Anonymousreply 2706/20/2011


by Anonymousreply 2806/20/2011

You do know that Bob Woodward was navy intelligence prior to working for the Post, right? He had no experience as a journalist prior to the Post He was given a job there to cover Watergate. Woodward's a huge tool.

Nixon, just like the Kennedy brothers, bucked the system, enraged powerful corporate interests, and engaged the Soviets (JFK and Nixon) and China (Nixon). Nixon also enraged George H.W. Bush, who was mainly responsible for getting him to where he was.

You don't mess around with George H.W. Bush. He had A LOT to do with the assassination of JFK, as well.

by Anonymousreply 2906/20/2011

R26, or anybody else for that matter, how about trying to answer my question in a way that exculpates LHO?

by Anonymousreply 3006/20/2011

Texas School Book Depository would make a great name for a band.

by Anonymousreply 3106/20/2011

W disappeared the day JFK Jr's plane crashed too. There are a lot of inconsistencies in that official story.

by Anonymousreply 3206/20/2011

I can't believe Poppy Bush fucked that harridan Barbara six times!

by Anonymousreply 3306/20/2011

r29 knows some stuff.

Any of you see the little laugh GHWB gave when he mentioned a "deluded gunman" killing JFK in his Gerald Ford eulogy speech?

It is on youtube, I believe.

Agree with r29, GHWB is a serious guy.

by Anonymousreply 3406/20/2011

This thread reminds me of the SNL bit in the '80s that showed Reagan behind the scenes running everything. I've been around a long time and remember what a lightweight he was regarded in republican politics. Just listen to the White House tapes for a sense of how lightly regarded he was by Nixon and Kissinger. Before getting the veep nomination in '80, he lost out in the '68, '73 (when Agnew resigned) and '76 veepstatkes because of the consensus that he lacked the requisite smarts. But here - like Reagan in the SNL bit - he was in charge of everything. Very funny thread. Let's keep it going.

by Anonymousreply 3506/20/2011

The lightweight bit was always part of his game, r35.

Plausible deniability and what not.

GHWB has been mostly running things behind the scenes for the better part of 40 years.

by Anonymousreply 3606/20/2011

I'd like to hear more about R14's theories... does someone want to start a new thread?

by Anonymousreply 3706/20/2011

From "Marathon" (published in 1977), Jules Witcover's book about the 1976 campaign:%0D %0D "[E]ven the right-wingers saw some merit in selecting Rockefeller over George Bush [in 1973, after Agnew resigned], the other finalist. Everyone knowledgeable in Republican politics considered Bush incompetent to be President; one of the best-kept secrets among conservatives was the way many of them ... lined up behind Rockefeller as the better alternative, for the sake of the country."

by Anonymousreply 3806/20/2011

As far as the Bushes, I have had occasion to meet with family members of two generations, and socialize, and I've never seen a more contemptible, smug, aggressively arrogant, self-satisfied pack of money-grubbing, back-scratching, shifty-eyed, phony dim bulbs in my life. You could not read the top line of an eye chart by the incandescence of their collected intelligence if Jeb left the room to take one of his climate-damaging shits.

by Anonymousreply 3906/20/2011

I give this thread a big fat "Whaaaa?"

by Anonymousreply 4106/20/2011

Sherman Skolnick would be proud.

by Anonymousreply 4206/21/2011

E. Howard Hunt, one of Nixon's White House "plumbers" during Watergate is the former CIA agent to come out and give a deathbed confession that the CIA was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

He claims the assassination was both personal and political with one of the conspirators (Cord Meyer) pissed about JFK fucking his ex-wife, some CIA agents pissed about Bay of Pigs, drug traffickers pissed about Bobby's mafia crackdown and LBJ wanting power at any cost.

One thing I have found fascinating is that if the CIA did play a role in assassinating Kennedy that the FBI on the other hand had a huge role in bringing down Nixon with FBI #2 Mark Felt being Deep Throat and their prosecutions of the Watergate people.

by Anonymousreply 4306/21/2011

I'm fairly naive, so I hope all of this is just a DL exercise.

by Anonymousreply 4406/21/2011

"W disappeared the day JFK Jr's plane crashed too."

George W. Bush? What, to go on a bender? Clinton was president at the time, and his administration acknowledged that they conducted this wide-ranging search for his remains because of the special position of the Kennedy family in U.S. politics.

"Just listen to the White House tapes for a sense of how lightly regarded he was by Nixon and Kissinger."

One of the best bits is when Nixon says Bush is the type of person you appoint to positions, not the type that gets elected.

"GHWB has been mostly running things behind the scenes for the better part of 40 years."

Now, if Bush was such a mastermind and we are not in a republic as some here contend, why didn't he get a second term? Surely, such a master could have achieved a second term.

by Anonymousreply 4506/21/2011

No R45, it was before the 2000 campaign. W disappeared at the time.

by Anonymousreply 4606/21/2011

[quote]You do know that Bob Woodward was navy intelligence prior to working for the Post, right? He had no experience as a journalist prior to the Post He was given a job there to cover Watergate. Woodward's a huge tool.

So Ben Bradlee was a CIA tool too?

by Anonymousreply 4706/21/2011

[quote]Now, if Bush was such a mastermind and we are not in a republic as some here contend, why didn't he get a second term? Surely, such a master could have achieved a second term.

There were no touch screens to change the votes in the blink of an eye in those days. Not that elections couldn't be stolen back then, but it was more difficult. The Clintons are CIA too and much closer to the Bushes than most people would like to believe.

Just because Bush had to move out of the White House doesn't mean he had to relinquish all his power. Dick Cheney still matters and if you doubt it, ask yourself why Democrat Obama retained Republican Bush's Secretary of Defense.

by Anonymousreply 4806/21/2011

good post, r48.

Some of you may need to do some searching....

maybe start with....

Clinton Bush CIA Mena Arkansas

by Anonymousreply 4906/21/2011

The REAL power is seated behind the throne. The Bushs are, for all practical purposes, are employees of the "invisible" forces that have all the power. In other words, the Bush family business is managing the world on behalf of these financial and resource extraction elites who prefer to remain in the shadows for good reason. HW is a global manager of sorts.

Don't get me wrong, HW is thee most powerful of the visible structure. He has been very active since WWII, and he is a master when it comes to erasing all traces of his influence and participation in some of the most egregious acts of the last 50-years.

In reality, HW's presidency started after the assassination attempt on Reagan. That was a clear message to Reagan from HW to acquiesce. HW was very good friends with John Hinckley's father. In fact, I think it was Neil Bush who had dinner with Hinckley's brother the same day Reagan was shot.

In a nutshell, the Bush family embodies the fundamental synthesis between business and intelligence matters, both of which have become tremendously powerful in the last couple of decades.

And guess who is going to replace Poppy? Jeb. You can take that to the bank.

by Anonymousreply 5006/21/2011

Jeb will be POTUS.

He will be "trusted" as a typical American amnesia-driven "Good Ole Days" throwback. He will be touted as a Unifier Extraordinaire, what with his Hispanic wife.

And then, of course, there are the shenanigans the Bushes can still effect.

BTW: Not only friendly with the Hinckleys, but also bidness partners with the Bin Ladens. And HW is the son of a Nazi bank-roller/sympathizer.

by Anonymousreply 5106/21/2011

Nazi sympathizer/war profiteer Prescott is the one who dug up Geronimo's bones for Skull and Bones and it was Babs Bush who was supposed to have been conceived in an Aleister Crowley sex magick ritual, right?

What's the deal with Neil? Is he still on drugs? Not only did that fuckface escape S&L prosecution, he also made a shitload of money of No Child Left Behind (seriously!!!)

by Anonymousreply 5306/21/2011

If you think W was evil, you will have to invent a new word for Jeb because I'm fairly sure he is beyond evil.

He has been, and is, his father's right hand man. He was very active in Iran Contra, and involved in almost everything his father had a hand in since the time he understood the difference between peanut butter and jelly.

The Catholic/Hispanic thing is purely strategic. By the time Jeb takes over, which, I'm betting will be 2016 (they'll give smooth operator Obama another 4 years to transition), Catholic Hispanics will be approaching majority.

Re Obama: as former President Clinton said, raising Obama's arm in victory, after he was elected, "This is your "executor". An "executor" is someone who manages things after the death of someone. Well, in this case, it was the death of the US. Obama's role is to transition us into what's coming in the wake of Bush's destruction, and just take a look around...

...under reported man made flooding of the Midwest, not to mention, compromised nuclear plants; growth of the surveillance state (Big Brother); TSA; elimination of the social safety net; ever increasing disparity between the haves and the have-nots; judicial rulings blatantly favoring corporations; over reporting of ridiculous terror plots while ignoring terror right over the border (Mexico), and the list goes on...

by Anonymousreply 5406/21/2011

Actually, it was Joe DiMaggio who was behind the murder of JFK...Seriously! He was pissed at JFK for what happened to you know who.%0D %0D Most of these posts are beyond absurd.%0D %0D There is an interesting theory about what happened that day in Dallas and the role of pere Bush. The story goes that the CIA knew something was planned and Bush was there to try and control everything. There is also the argument that there was a crossfire between the CIA and the conspirators and JFK got caught in it.%0D %0D Do a Google search and you will find the theory. Interesting--but let's face it. If there was such a conspiracy, why is it that we are still in the dark after almost 50 years? Maybe LHO did act alone.

by Anonymousreply 5506/21/2011

You are the absurd one, R55! Actually, I think you know exactly what you're doing as you are, no doubt, paid to disinform and distract people from the truth. %0D %0D My ex, who was/is a Satanist, btw, does exactly what you are doing for a living, and he makes good money. I didn't think much of it when I was with him, but now that I pay attention to what's going on, I find it to be plain evil. %0D %0D You probably know each other.

by Anonymousreply 5606/21/2011

How evil is Jeb? He tried to privatize Florida's water supply. Think about it.%0D

by Anonymousreply 5706/21/2011

Watching LaToya Jackson on Piers Morgan brings to mind this thread. You all know, don't you, that she was the brains behind the success of her family? And don't get me started on her being the most talented one of them all.

by Anonymousreply 5806/21/2011

R56, ranger has been a poster here for ages so I don't doubt he is saying exactly what he believes.

He is grossly misinformed, totally wrong and hopelessly naive, but I don't doubt for one second his earnesty.

How's that for a backhanded compliment!

by Anonymousreply 5906/21/2011

The Bush's are the most dangerous family on the planet.

by Anonymousreply 6006/21/2011

r50,%0D %0D I suspect you nailed it pretty well.

by Anonymousreply 6106/21/2011

This thread is spookier than "Rosemary's Baby".

by Anonymousreply 6206/22/2011

Rosemary's baby was fiction. This is reality. Instead of "spookier" you should have said "ohmyGOD I JUST CRAPPED MY PANTS".

We. Live. In. A. Police. State.

Until we admit that and begin delegitimizing it and dismantling it en masse, it will just get worse. Imagine the Nazis with the surveillance and propaganda powers of today, and you get the idea.

Unless Ron Paul wins in 2012, I doubt the US will survive.

by Anonymousreply 6306/22/2011

The Bushes are part of a secretive order that creates conflicts around the globe so that they can gain financial rewards through supplying weapons of war.

by Anonymousreply 6406/22/2011

Corrected for R64-

The Bushes/Clintons/Obamas are part of a secretive order that creates conflicts around the globe so that they can gain financial rewards through supplying weapons of war.

by Anonymousreply 6506/22/2011

Bump for another poster on the CIA is running our government thread

by Anonymousreply 6609/02/2012

Thank God the Cold War seems to be starting again. We need to be kept in check.

by Anonymousreply 6709/02/2012

When they saw how everyone bought the Warren Commission...they knew they could sell ANYTHING to the American people and they do. They have a great propaganda machine and it clicks along, usually without a hitch.

by Anonymousreply 6809/02/2012

With the uptick in Poppy Bush/CIA conspiracy theorists at DL how does there not seem to be any thread on the anti-Christ cult leader/H.W. Bush pal Moon passing away?

by Anonymousreply 6909/02/2012

Clinton and Poppy are great pals. Whatever happened to Noelle Bush, the crackhead?

by Anonymousreply 7009/02/2012

I'm reading Family of Secrets by Russ Baker. He makes no claims without a footnote and source. And he documents many of these claims. The articles on Nixon's watergate experiences kept me awake a week.

by Anonymousreply 7109/02/2012

Please elaborate r71.

by Anonymousreply 7209/02/2012

R71, here. I've cut Amazon's write up about the book Family of Secrets. It really is an astonishing book and I'm old enough to remember 41 and 43. Russ Baker's web site is great too.

The long-hidden story of a family we thought we knew—and of a power-making apparatus that we have barely begun to comprehend. After eight disastrous years, George W. Bush leaves office as one of the most unpopular presidents in American history. Russ Baker asks the question that lingers even as this benighted administration winds down: Who really wanted this man at the helm of the country, and why did his backers promote him despite his obvious liabilities and limitations? This book goes deep behind the scenes to deliver an arresting new look at George W. Bush, his father George H. W. Bush, their family, and the network of figures in intelligence, the military, finance, and oil who enabled the family’s rise to power.

Baker’s exhaustive investigation reveals a remarkable clan whose hermetic secrecy and code of absolute loyalty have concealed a far-reaching role in recent history that transcends the Bush presidencies. Baker offers new insights into lingering mysteries—from the death of John F. Kennedy to Richard Nixon’s downfall in Watergate. Here, too, are insider accounts of the backroom strategizing, and outright deception, that resulted in George W. Bush’s electoral success.

Throughout, Baker helps us understand why we have not known these things before. Family of Secrets combines compelling narrative with eye-opening revelations. It offers the untold history of the machinations that have shaped American politics over much of the last century. Praise for Family of Secrets:

“One of the most important books of the past ten years.”—Gore Vidal

“A tour de force … Family of Secrets has made me rethink even those events I witnessed with my own eyes.”—Dan Rather

“Shocking in its disclosures, elegantly crafted, and faultlessly measured in its judgments, Family of Secrets is nothing less than a first historic portrait in full of the Bush dynasty and the era it shaped. From revelation to revelation, insight to insight—from the Kennedy assassination to Watergate to the oil and financial intrigues that lie behind today's headlines—this is a sweeping drama of money and power, unseen forces, and the emblematic triumph of a lineage that sowed national tragedy. Russ Baker’s Family of Secrets is sure to take its place as one of the most startling and influential works of American history and journalism.”—Roger Morris, former senior staff member, National Security Council, and author of Richard Milhous Nixon: The Rise of an American Politician and Partners in Power: The Clintons and Their America

“Left-wing paranoia? Baker, a solid investigative journalist, works hard to back up his claims – a reader could choke on the complex, interwoven details in Family of Secrets. He's a man on a mission, desperate to stop the “methods of stealth and manipulation that ... reflect a deeper ill: the American public's increasingly tenuous hold upon the levers of its own democracy.”—San Diego Union-Tribune

“Prodigiously industrious investigative journalist Russ Baker…. connects the dots between the Bushes and Watergate.” —Lev Grossman, Time Magazine

by Anonymousreply 7309/02/2012

I wish I could see the movie they'll make about them in 75 years.

by Anonymousreply 7409/02/2012

Wow R71 - I've been wanting to read that book. The Nixon excerpts are thick, but very compelling.

It makes sense that they setup Nixon to remove him from office. It also explains his paranoia - he knew all the other shit that went on in the 50s and 60s by the CIA.

It's a bit mind-blowing - but seems very plausible and fits a bit better than what is commonly understood as the truth.

by Anonymousreply 7509/03/2012

OK, who's shilling for the book.

by Anonymousreply 7609/03/2012

[quote]HW is thee most powerful of the visible structure. He has been very active since WWII, and he is a master when it comes to erasing all traces of his influence and participation

Which is why I question if that were really HW near the Book Depository. Even without all the spook stuff and imperial politics, WASPs tend to place a big distance between themselves and their crimes, especially when these crimes are about to occur.

by Anonymousreply 7709/03/2012

Can someone give a brief synopsis, in plain English, what Bush's role was in the Kennedy assassination? Did he set it up or something?

by Anonymousreply 7809/03/2012


by Anonymousreply 7910/29/2012

[quote]Can someone give a brief synopsis, in plain English, what Bush's role was in the Kennedy assassination? Did he set it up or something?

by Anonymousreply 8010/30/2012

Recent info on CIA activities while Poppy Bu$h was in charge.

But, since it's someone who isn't a rabid socialist you probably won't read it.

by Anonymousreply 8112/03/2012

Wow that's an incredible article and a must read.

by Anonymousreply 8212/05/2012

I know, R82.

The problem is that even someone with "liberal" credentials out the ass (Glenn Greenwald) gets attacked every time he publishes an article critical of Obama.

Dems and Reps are the same- they love their party, and whatever their party supports, because they are too ignorant (or unwilling) to dig deeper.

If I say I'm against the wars- Iraq, Afghanistan, Drugs, Gaza- then I'm a lefty.

If I say I'm against SNAP, Social Security, and Medicare- I'm a right winger.

If I say I'm against subsidizing large corporations, agriculture and military supply companies, I'm a lefty.

If I say I'm against government control over health care, or education, or banks, I'm a right winger.

If I say that domestic spying, and murdering US (or foreign) citizens without just cause, or that the US government has become a threat to our liberties, or that the Federal Reserve is bankrupting us, then I'm a conspiracy theorist.

Do you begin to see why the people at the top- Clinton, Bush, Obama, Reid, Bohner, Pelosi, McConnell- are just corrupt moronic figureheads?

by Anonymousreply 8312/05/2012

No we understood that all along R83. The fact that you are just discovering this is why nobody takes you seriously. We have run our political classes on the theory that liars make the best politicians for fifty years. What possible other outcome is there? That doesn't mean, however, that they are the SAME as the other party, or AS BAD. I might add that none of the third party candidates offered up in my lifetime has been anything but a worse disaster. Why? Well, they are the products of the same political culture. If you think Dr. Ron Paul is an honest man, then you don't have a brain in your head.

by Anonymousreply 8412/07/2012

Do you think Poppy Bush will spill any secrets now?

by Anonymousreply 8512/27/2012

R84, if you admit that all politicians are sociopathic liars, then why don't you support full anarchism? It's the only peaceful way of social organization.

by Anonymousreply 8612/27/2012

If he did R85, you wouldn't be able to believe him, any more than you can believe E. Howard Hunt. People who lie for a living do not in fact tell the truth at the end.

by Anonymousreply 8712/28/2012

Because it isn't R86, or did you never study the prisoner's dilemma.

by Anonymousreply 8812/28/2012

[quote]Let's just say there's a good reason Poppy led off his eulogy of Gerald Ford by praising Ford's service on the Warren Commission rather than extolling the virtues of his presidency.

Disgusting. Amazing that he has been allowed to get away with things like this over the years and that the mainstream media have done virtually nothing to question him about it.

One of the few authors who has documented the true history of George H.W. Bush is Russ Baker in "Family of Secrets".

by Anonymousreply 8912/28/2012

I just heard Obama say that he suspects Hilary Clinton will not be flying much after she leaves the State Department.

by Anonymousreply 9012/28/2012


That's why Bu$h the lesser, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. don't travel except to Canada (on rare occasion). They are scared they will get arrested for war crimes. Clinton, Biden and Obama will be under the same scrutiny after 2016...and all of them should be tried, convicted and executed for their war crimes.

by Anonymousreply 9112/28/2012

R91, if you are a progressive you would not be in favour of the death penalty

by Anonymousreply 9212/29/2012

The local morning anchor today reported that Bush went home after two months in prison. He immediately corrected himself.

by Anonymousreply 9301/15/2013

R92, if you were a consistent progressive you wouldn't be for the death penalty - in whatever form - for anyone.

by Anonymousreply 9401/15/2013

In most cases I disagree with the death penalty.

When someone orders the murder of millions of innocent people...I'm flexible.

Bush1, Clinton, Bush2, Obama- all should be tried for war crimes and if convicted dropped in the middle of the desert with no water or food.

by Anonymousreply 9501/15/2013

Your thoughts on abortionists, R95?

by Anonymousreply 9601/15/2013

Try to reconcile this Richard Ben Cramer, Pulitzer Prize-winning excerpted account (from "What It Takes") the 1960s George Bush with the evil George Bush who masterminded the JFK assassination:

No wonder they loved him and talked about the way he was—how a man like that could be so nice. He’d pick up the phone himself if it rang more than twice, and he’d listen to some voter’s tale of woe. (“No,” he’d say into the phone. “No, that doesn’t sound right at all. We’ll look into it, right away. No! Thank you for calling!”) Same with the mail: answers by return post. Aleene would cram his battered briefcase every night; there might be thirty or forty letters typed up. He’d sign every one and add a couple of lines in his lefty scrawl. The Capitol postman told Aleene that Bush got more mail than anyone else in the Longworth Building. (That’s because he sent more. One Houston lady wrote him a letter. So he wrote her back. So she wrote to thank him for his response. So he wrote her back, thanking her for her thank-you note. Finally, she sent him a letter that said: “You remind me of my aunt, Mrs. Ponder. She just won’t stay written to.”)

This wasn’t exactly politics with Bush; more like life. The day his moving van arrived in Washington, it was a terrible snow. George sent Barbara off to Sears, through the storm, to buy sheets so the movers could stay the night: He insisted! Don Rhodes was a volunteer on his campaign in Houston. Rhodes had a hearing problem, and people thought he was strange, maybe slow-witted. (He wasn’t.) Bush not only took him along for the Washington staff—he moved Don into his house. He fussed over visitors to his office, posing for pictures, leading tours of the Capitol, making sure they got to see everything in Washington. And wasn’t it great how it worked out? Bush inherited a couple of staff ladies from the Texas Democrat who used to represent his part of Houston—so of course they knew the crowd in LBJ’s White House. They’d call up and get special tours—not just of the state rooms, but of the Family Quarters. (That picture of George Hamilton on Lynda Bird’s night table!) Well, you put that together with a ride on Bush’s boat (George just had to show them how the city looked from the Potomac) and Bar’s picnic (with the pâté, wine, and salad) and … no wonder he was unopposed!

In fact, that was one reason he could cast his vote on the 1968 open-housing bill: Bush knew he would face no opponent in November. Still, there’d be a howl of protest. In the gym, Sonny Montgomery told him, “Your district ain’t gonna like this.” Bush didn’t need analysis from Sonny. For God’s sake, some of Bush’s voters wouldn’t ride in a car that a Negro had sat in, play the same golf course. Bush agonized for weeks.

What stuck in his mind was Vietnam: those soldiers, black soldiers, in the jungle, in the uniform of their country. How could he let them come back to a nation where they couldn’t live where they chose? He could not. He couldn’t let politics change the way he was.

So he voted for the bill. He meant to take the heat.

But this wasn’t heat. This was ugly. First the calls—les gals had to hear them:

“You tell Bush we don’ need no Connecticut Nigra-lovers.”

“Are you half nigger-blood too?”

Then the letters—thousands of letters. Don Rhodes was up all night trying to get out answers. But how could Bush answer?

“It’s Communist says who I can sell my house to.”

“I know niggers are running the government.”

The threats menaced his staff and his family. One letter mentioned his children by name. After a week, Bush looked like he’d aged ten years. His face sagged. There was no excitement in his words or walk. ...

So he told them that he knew what they thought. He told them that he knew some people called him lib-rull. But it wasn’t conservative or liberal, this vote. It was just fairness. He told them about Vietnam—those soldiers, how could he let them come back? How could you just slam the door in a guy’s face, just ’cause he’s a Negro, or speaks with an accent?

by Anonymousreply 9701/15/2013

This is the family that got the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador to LIE BEFORE CONGRESS TO SAY THAT IRAQI TROOPS SMASHED PREMATURE BABIES AND STOLE INCUBATORS. They are shameless. And stupid. Of course he killed JFK and there's fairly good evidence that JFK Jr was killed as well. He was a fine pilot, the weather was good as well.

by Anonymousreply 9801/15/2013


I don't like abortion, but it's between a woman and her Dr, although I do have issues with lack of consent by the father. The Dems and Reps use it as a "dividing issue" to energize their base, when most could not care less. If it brings money, and makes one side hate the other, then it makes it easier for them to rape the rest of us.

If a Dem thought being pro-life, or a Rep thought being pro-choice, and it would help them win they would switch sides in heartbeat.


Bush was the director of the CIA prior to his stint as VP. The enmity between Bush and Reagan (who was...persuaded to select him as VP) is legendary.

I don't believe a damn word written about him by any "mainstream" writers. The man is pure evil.

The common thread that runs through Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush the lesser and Obama (and Romney too) is that they all had deep, binding ties to CIA front companies. The fact that Obama's mom, dad, stepdad and grandmother all worked for CIA front companies should make anyone skeptical about his real loyalties.

by Anonymousreply 9901/15/2013

Bush sounds mentally ill in your description, R97, not selfless and principled. This is a man who bragged all his life about sabotaging another boy's boat before a sailing race as a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 10001/15/2013

Anyway, all the Bushes claim they didn't know John Hinckley from Adam. Someone who demanded sheets be bought for movers to spend the night is not the kind of person who wouldn't know somebody like Hinckley. It's almost self-incrimination.

by Anonymousreply 10101/15/2013


It's sad how few people even know what MK-Ultra was (is?) and the deep ties between many "conspiracies" and the CIA.

Thank God the Internet is slowly exposing those links.

Before the Internet, an interested person would have to spend years locating official documents and contemporaneous accounts of things like the JFK assassination in order to show that it was a massive conspiracy by the government.

Now, anyone who is open to the truth can locate those official accounts, and compare them to the "official" story and see that the Warren commission lied and that JFK was killed by his own government.

Look at the Gulf of Tonkin.

Or Mai Lai.

Or Pearl Harbor.

Or the WMDs in Iraq.

Even 9/11.

Anyone who cares about the truth can see that the facts about all of these incidents are very different from the "official" story.

The sheep don't care, they just listen to whatever NBC or CNN or FOXNews tells them, and never dig deeper.

by Anonymousreply 10201/15/2013

Silly, all they had to do was read Jonathan Marks.

by Anonymousreply 10301/16/2013


Who is that?

by Anonymousreply 10401/16/2013

This thread is crazy. I don't put anything past the CIA. If they will kill foreign leaders, there is no reason to think they won't do it on home soil.

by Anonymousreply 10509/19/2014

It was payback.

by Anonymousreply 10609/19/2014

The problem with this theory is that Poppy Bush was a fuck up. He never would have been trusted with the assassination of the president after the Bay of Pigs fiasco.

That's why I think it was Lemnitzer, Walker, and maybe a couple other generals in charge. Walker had successfully run sabotage teams behind enemy lines during WWII and he had contacts with the OAS to get it done.

by Anonymousreply 10709/19/2014

read Mary's Mosaic for info on the CIA in the 60s.

by Anonymousreply 10809/19/2014

[quote]That's why Bu$h the lesser, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc. don't travel except to Canada (on rare occasion). They are scared they will get arrested for war crimes.

Bush was supposed to be getting a huge fee to speak in Switzerland. Then he found out there were warrants for his arrest for war crimes. He stayed in Texas.

by Anonymousreply 10909/20/2014

r102 I agree. I am just learning about the Bush connection and MK Ultra. It is hard to believe but the research is there. And not just among nutty people.

by Anonymousreply 11009/21/2014
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