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Paying for (gay) sex in Amsterdam

The red light district in Amsterdam is famous. It's so easy to find a woman. They sit in front of their little shop windows. You just wander along & browse until you find the one you like.%0D %0D But I've always wondered if there's a gay equivalent in Amsterdam.%0D %0D Anyone know?

by Anonymousreply 5206/27/2013

But they passed a law that tourists can't go into the special coffee shops anymore. What's up with that?

by Anonymousreply 206/19/2011

Banning Foreigners from Amsterdam Coffe Shops Called %E2%80%98Tourism Suicide%E2%80%99

Holland%E2%80%99s New Drug Laws Will Ban Cannabis-Selling Coffee Shops From Catering to Visitors

If you always were planning a trip to see the Van Gogh Museum and thought you might stop by one of those Amsterdam Coffee Shops that sell both exotic coffee and marijuana who may want to book your flight.

By the end of the year customers will have to sign up for a one-year membership, or %E2%80%9Cdope pass%E2%80%9D, to enter the shops and many of the 220 coffee shops in Amsterdam have already planned their closings. There are a total of 750 shops throughout the Netherlands and the move could cost the country millions of dollars a year in lost revenue. Each coffee shop will be able to have 1500 registered customers who are to be made up of residents who apply first.

Dutch health and justice ministers say that the law %E2%80%98 will put an end to the nuisance and criminality associated with coffee shops and drugs trafficking%E2%80%99.

Holland decriminalised %E2%80%9Csoft%E2%80%9D drugs in the 1970%E2%80%B2s and the coffee shops were seen as a then useful weapon in controlling both illicet drug use but also a way to contain street sales and crime. New claims are that the coffee shops cater to %E2%80%98drug tourists%E2%80%99 that start trouble. A spokesman for the mayor of Maastrich, Holland said %E2%80%9CThey block streets in the city centre, they don%E2%80%99t respect parking rules, they are noisy and, when they go from one coffee shop to another, they urinate and vomit in the street.

Those claims are denied by shop owners. %E2%80%9CIf this law comes into effect, we will lose money and jobs,%E2%80%9D said Marc Josemans, owner of the Easy Going cafe.

Last year, 1.4 million tourists visited the city of Maastricht alone. Foreigners accounted for 70 per cent or sales, worth about $13.6 million in revenue. In many municipalities of Holland prostitution is legal.

by Anonymousreply 506/19/2011

Get there quick OP. Amsterdam is being cleaned up.

by Anonymousreply 606/19/2011

Yes, the law changed in the city of Maastricht, but no one is actually observing it. It doesn't apply to the rest f the Netherlands - local authorities make the law in each area on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 706/19/2011

No. It is not just Masstricht:

The Dutch Cabinet: coffeeshop to be a private club for the local market

Press release | 27-05-2011

Coffeeshops will become private clubs for the local market. Upon recommendation by Minister Schippers of Health, Welfare and Sport and Minister Opstelten of Security and Justice, the Council of Ministers has agreed to measures to reduce nuisance and drugs tourism. For example, access to coffeeshops will be linked to a membership pass and the Cabinet will set a maximum number of members per coffeeshop. Members have to be adults and Dutch citizens.

The Cabinet endorses the conclusions of the Van de Donk Commission which wrote in 2009 that substance use of minors has to be countered more strongly and that coffeeshops have grown into large points of sale for cannabis that are hard to manage. The current coalition agreement provides that the current open door policy of coffeeshops should be terminated and that the fight against organised (drugs-related) crime is intensified. In order to achieve this, the Cabinet is taking the following measures:

Coffeeshops will become private clubs for the local markets only accessible to Dutch citizens upon display of valid proof of identity and based on membership of the relevant coffeeshop.

Membership is granted in the form of a membership pass by the coffeeshop owner upon display of valid proof of identity and proof that the applicant is a Dutch citizen. Membership must have a term of at least one year.

The Cabinet will achieve the envisaged small-scale nature by setting a maximum number of coffeeshop members. The maximum number of members per coffeeshop will be set at a later time. The mayor may determine a lower maximum number of members per coffeeshops depending on local circumstances.

Persons who do not hold Dutch citizenship will not have access to the coffeeshops. The Cabinet notes in connection with this decision that the outcome of the proceedings before the Council of State between the municipality of Maastricht and a coffeeshop concerning the citizenship condition.

In order to reduce the visibility of coffeeshops to students, the Cabinet will increase the distance between schools and coffeeshops to 350 metres. The real distance to be crossed on foot along the public road will count in this connection.

[more at link]

by Anonymousreply 806/19/2011

I don't know about registered prostitutes, but male hustlers are still easy to come by in the red-light district. Be prepared to pay top dollar; and definitely use rubbers. Years ago the baths were like free whorehouses. Any kink you could want was available... free.

by Anonymousreply 906/19/2011

I will never understand why Any gay man pays for sex. With all the bear, daddy, twink, chub, chaser and god knows what other clubs out there it seems like you'd have to have some major damage to not be able to find anyone to have sex with. People say dumb shit like "I don't have time to look for hook ups" and "I like sex with no complications" but it's all just stupid loser crap. More than anything I can't get over how embarrassing it must be to either make that phone call, or negotiate what your actor will pretend to like for what price. It makes sense for straight guys because so many women use sex as a negotiation tool or only sleep with guys they're in a relationship with but but for gay men it just seems like admiting you're the lowest kind of loser.

by Anonymousreply 1006/20/2011

r11%0D I don't think the Netherlands really gives a shit what goes on in America, contrary to your little delusion.

by Anonymousreply 1306/20/2011

That's my point too, who in this day and age has to pay for sex?

by Anonymousreply 1506/20/2011

The last few years when I have flown from Amsterdam to LAX, the police are always right there with the drug sniffing dogs *right as you get off the plane*, before you even get into the building. (that little hall that connects the plane to the building). And, again at the luggage turnstiles. I have seen dogs crawling over luggage and saw a few bags that have been swiftly taken away.

On that flight, once you finally get out of customs to your luggage, most of it is off the turnstile and set on the floor already. This way, the dogs can go bag to bag.

by Anonymousreply 1606/20/2011

Thank God, R16. Can you imagine if marijuana got a foothold in Southern California?

by Anonymousreply 1706/20/2011

Let's stay on topic, boys. Where are the male hustlers? What's the going rate???

by Anonymousreply 1806/20/2011

r10 and r14 are truly dumb. The true value and motive for hiring a prostitute is to experience sex with someone much hotter than the client can attract himself. It's sexual fantasy and quality much more than availability or no strings attached. You can find a free partner on craigslist or manhunt, just like you can at the clubs or public cruising spots. But you're only going to find willing men who are in your league of looks or uglier. You pay a hustler so you can get somebody hot with a huge dick for sure.

by Anonymousreply 1906/20/2011

R13 = From a shitty Third World Country

by Anonymousreply 2006/20/2011

Wrong, r21.

You leap to a false conclusion from R19 because you want to believe that escort clients are inferior to yourself, not because they are.

You declared that you "will never understand why any gay man would pay for sex" and therefore hiring a hustler is just "admitting you're the lowest kind of loser."

I explained the commonest motive for hiring a prostitute -- to have sex with someone much hotter than you can attract freely. But you never acknowledged or accounted for this prior to my post, so whether you previously understood it is suspect.

Furthermore, you cannot conclude that someone is "the lowest kind of loser" just because they want and get sex from someone hotter than themselves this way.

You can cook for yourself, but you're not a loser just because you paid a chef much better than you to feed you at a restaurant.

Your dismissal is your self-righteousness and hate talking, in an attempt to make yourself feel better than them.

Truth is, hustler clients are occasionally VERY HOT men who do it for the convenience, discretion or more control; motives additional or secondary to the desire to fuck a hottie.

You're not capable of complex thinking and you haven't witnessed any broad sample of hustler clientele, much less isolated their motives. You're not willing to respect the Johns from the outset.

You're just a hater. Plain men get to have sex with hotties and you're jealous. Maybe the thought that some ugly men are comfortable admitting they're uglier than the hustlers unnerves you, because you're too proud to ever admit it. Maybe the guys who can spare a lot of disposable income are of greater socio-economic means than yourself and you burn with envy.

Either way, your self-righteous notions of sexual "dignity" aren't compelling.

P.S. What's worse? "Admitting you're the lowest kind of loser" or pretending you're hot and desirable when you're actually nothing?

by Anonymousreply 2206/23/2011

Thank you judge, I rest my case.

by Anonymousreply 2306/23/2011

There is a Gay Brothel on Spuistraat called Club 24. On the first floor there is a bar with a big lounge area where the boys hang out. The Bartender is the boss, and you make all deals through him. The deal is you take the boy upstairs where there are 4 or 5 private rooms for an hour, for about 150 Euros. On the weekends, there are 50 or more boys available, and a wait for the rooms. It's an interesting place. Most of the boys are from Eastern Europe and some are really hot.

by Anonymousreply 2406/23/2011

[quote]Thank you judge, I rest my case.

Fine!

Your side has lost, spectacularly. The opposing counsel has convinced me that he is right and that you're a prissy douche.

Next case!

by Anonymousreply 2506/23/2011

[quote]I will never understand why Any gay man pays for sex.

itpersonally, i'll never understand why some gay men want their nipples twisted since it does nothing for me, but to each their own, ya know? so don't be so judgy, r10.

in my case, i like it to be all about me, and i like to call the shots. knowing that i've paid someone to do exactly as i say without worrying about their wants or needs, is a major turn on. if a unpaid trick just volunteers to do what ever i want, it's not such a turn-on, and in fact is a turn-off. what does that make me- a dominant who hates submissives? i don't know, but paying every once in a while, works for me. and it's not a everyday sex thing, either. paying someone is like hot fudge sundae- as an occasional indulgence, it's delicious, but if i had to eat it everyday, it would make me sick.

by Anonymousreply 2606/23/2011

does House of Boys still exist?

by Anonymousreply 2706/23/2011

Love love love Amsterdam and love those brothels. The opposite of sleazy and so much fun and safe for both client and hustler. And I did it when I was young and cute and could get laid anywhere (not sure how I'd feel about it now). But ONLY when in Amsterdam and with a caveat: I always warn people if they pay for regular "missionary position" sex, so to speak, they may be disappointed. The guys can be detached and move quick to get it over with and get the money. (Women too from what I hear). So it can be a drag, not worth the $$$.%0D %0D BUT if you have a fetish or fantasy that you are shy about or wouldn't even want to do with someone you loved (a fetishist may understand this), it's the best. As long as it doesn't hurt the guys, they are game -- and what embarrasses you is often shrugged off by them as no big deal.%0D %0D You do it, you pay, then you go downstairs and hang out at the bar, ha. The opposite of a walk of shame and soooo hot. :) So don't listen to the idiot detractors. They don't know.

by Anonymousreply 2806/23/2011

I'm a straight guy who hangs out here (I confessed this in the recent straight guy thread so give me a break). I've spent some time in the straight brothels, and they work exactly the same way. My favorite is Jan Bik, maybe a 5 minute walk from the Central Station (link below).

They're clean and safe, the girls are friendly, there's no hustle, and you get a very enjoyable hour or so for about 100 Euros. Last two times I've been with a very charming Italian girl, late 20's who was working to raise money to open a shop back home (I think that was the truth because she never stopped talking and I wound up knowing all about her apartment, her roommates, the classes she had taken . . . it went on and on). The second girl was Dutch, early 20's from a small town over by the German border. She was a sweetheart too.

The clubs are just the opposite of the window girls where it's nothing but hustle, quick mechanical sex, and horrible attitudes. I did that twice, never again--the drunken British yobs are welcome to that mess. It is entertaining to wander around watching and listening to the mobs of males as they survey the different girls.

Anyway, just thought I would throw out the straight version for whatever it's worth.

by Anonymousreply 2906/23/2011

[quote] just thought I would throw out the straight version for whatever it's worth.%0D %0D Well, not a lot, quite frankly, on a gay board.%0D But thanks for your contribution.%0D %0D Also, thanks, R24, for finally answering my question.

by Anonymousreply 3006/23/2011

I actually enjoyed your link r29, thanks. A couple of the ladies at that establishment look really old. There are a couple of hotties though.

by Anonymousreply 3106/23/2011

Last time I was in Amsterdam, I went on "Randy's Redlight Tour" and it was one of the best tours I have ever been on. You get a little history of Amsterdam, plus a nice tour of the redlight district and you get all your questions answered about the whores. My question of course was "How come no guys?"

The guide explained that they tried to have men in the booths for hire for women at first, but the whores charge in 15 minute increments and the customers complained that women cannot do that in 15 minute increments, so eventually they stopped it.

I also visited the gay escort bar for shits and giggles, the problem is that it's up a couple of flights of stairs in a building away from all other nightlife, so you're kind of "trapped." Lots of pretty boys come and socialize and you can sit and have a drink. The night I was there i think there might have been 1 other customer so there was a lot of pressure and a hard sell going on. I eventually just tipped the boys for their time and left. One of them followed me downstairs and told me I could meet him in his off hours if I want. (I assumed so that he didn't have to pay the house.)

by Anonymousreply 3206/23/2011

[quote]The guide explained that they tried to have men in the booths for hire for women at first, but the whores charge in 15 minute increments and the customers complained that women cannot do that in 15 minute increments, so eventually they stopped it.%0D %0D I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're talking about. 15 minute increments?

by Anonymousreply 3306/24/2011

R19 is right. I can hook up with chubby, old guys anytime I want - that's a surety. What I can't hook up with is young, hard pretty boys - that costs. Everyone on here who isn't one of the beautiful people knows this.

by Anonymousreply 3406/24/2011

I went to Anne Frank's house while stoned. Good times.

by Anonymousreply 3506/24/2011

I like old slappers. Thanks for the link.

by Anonymousreply 3606/24/2011

Did it ever occur to some of you less attractive sisters that if God wanted you to hook up with hotties he would have made you one to and to do so is unnatural?

Think about the hotties and what they must go through to feign an interest in you sexually.

God knows I'd vomit chunks if I had to hook up with a chubby plain jane.

by Anonymousreply 3706/24/2011

I'm not paying for the sex, I'm paying them to leave when I'm done.

by Anonymousreply 3806/24/2011

R10, do you have any idea what a clueless, oblivious, self-involved moron you sound like?%0D

by Anonymousreply 3906/24/2011

R32, the guide didn't explain why they don't have guys for men (who I assume wouldnt have an issue with "15 min increments")?%0D %0D Also, are rhe escorts in the escort bars all twink types? Can you find a bodybuilder type hustler in Amsterdam? I know that most male brothels are only young twinks.

by Anonymousreply 4006/24/2011

[quote] the guide didn't explain why they don't have guys for men (who I assume wouldnt have an issue with "15 min increments")?

The guide said it was never brought up. (i.e. the "gay whore" lobby I guess never petitioned for it)

There were all different kinds of types in the escort bar, but mostly they were all clean cut all probably in their 20s. I like em a little beefy, and there were a few there who fit that bill. Although I also like them a little older and was more into the hunky 30 something bearded bartender, but he was not for sale

by Anonymousreply 4106/24/2011

What about cute trannies in Amsterdam? Are can you pay a guy to dress in drag for you at a regular gay brothel.

by Anonymousreply 4206/24/2011

Anne Frank lived in Germany, dumbass.

by Anonymousreply 4306/24/2011

No. Anne Frank was born in Germany, but lived most of her life in Amsterdam. Lame try.

by Anonymousreply 4406/25/2011

Look at the combination of arrogant and idiot we see at R43.

by Anonymousreply 4506/25/2011

Well, it is true that Germany had usurped Netherlands during the war, so technically speaking you might say she lived in Germany the last years of her life.

by Anonymousreply 4606/25/2011

hey heading to amsterdam for the weekend ere can i find shemale or ladyboys

by Anonymousreply 4706/27/2013

One night after dinner we went to one of those houses with two sisters just to look. We were amazed that there was nothing but un-attractive nelly queens on offer that night. We left.

BTW, we ourself had several 'generou$ gentlemen' visiting us when we were living in Amsterdam.

by Anonymousreply 4806/27/2013

Amsterdam backed off on the ban on tourists in coffee shops, those other posts are old news.

by Anonymousreply 4906/27/2013

[quote]block streets in the city centre, they don’t respect parking rules, they are noisy and, when they go from one coffee shop to another, they urinate and vomit in the street.

Sounds more like alcoholics than pot heads.

by Anonymousreply 5006/27/2013

So... any decent men-for-men there? Anyone?

by Anonymousreply 5106/27/2013

[quote]Amsterdam backed off on the ban on tourists in coffee shops

Link, please.

Reading this thread, it seems that for a man to pay for sex with a man in Amsterdam, he has to go to some horrid club up some dark sleazy stairs where's he's trapped and confronted by nellie queens in full make-up and forced to pay 50 Euros for a scotch and coke.

I was once trapped in a hetero version of such a club and had to literally tear myself out of the clutches of some micro-mini skirted whore and run down the sleazy staircase to the relative safety of the street.

I'll pass.

by Anonymousreply 5206/27/2013
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