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I recently helped a senior get on what we call food stamps

And learned that she cannot buy vitamins with them.

I can understand the restrictions on alcohol and tobacco, even soda if that goes through but vitamins can be very helpful for those who eat very little.

I slipped her the cash for the vits.

by Anonymousreply 6206/21/2013

[quote]but vitamins can be very helpful for those who eat very little.

She might want to stock up on Ensure or similar when it goes on sale. It would be great if she ate a big, balanced diet, but some people really do lose their appetites.

by Anonymousreply 106/18/2011

If there's meth in heaven, you'll get some OP.

by Anonymousreply 206/18/2011

Tell the old cunt that vitamins are found in actual food and help them select fruits, vegetables, proteins and grains. It's not that difficult.

by Anonymousreply 306/18/2011

I'll suggest the ensure thanks.

I made her a hug pot of soup yesterday with all types of vegetables. She like soup and has the appetite for that. It is the food in more solid form that she has little taste for anymore.

by Anonymousreply 406/18/2011

Good for you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 506/18/2011

Get her some pot - that helps the appetite and the attitude.(I'm serious.)

by Anonymousreply 606/18/2011

You are a good person OP. I hope your kindness comes back to you.

by Anonymousreply 706/18/2011

OP, thanks so much for helping her out. I work in the medical field, mostly with the elderly, and a little kindness goes a tremendously long way.

by Anonymousreply 806/18/2011

Pot is out of the question, but thanks for the suggestion.

She eschews drugs of any kind. She is pretty sharp for an 84 year old so I would never try to slip it to her.

I think like many seniors chewing has become a chore and soft foods are very appealing, soup eggs etc.

She is a lovely person but her money does not go as far as it used to. She would happily check herself into assisted living if she could afford it.

by Anonymousreply 906/18/2011

"She would happily check herself into assisted living if she could afford it." If she has no other people to help her, you may wish to drop by a few nursing homes and pick up some applications for her. She files the applications now, but can decline open spots until she's ready. She'll need her financial information - usually a huge bottleneck for getting things done - such as 1040s, bank statements, deeds to anything etc. If she trusts you with this information, so much the better. Some nursing homes that accept Medicare require a 72 hour hospital stay and a referral from said hospital. This is usually why people are in bad shape when they finally go into assisted living. If you can start the application process now, she may not have to go through dangerous events before getting into a safe environment that provides food and shelter.

by Anonymousreply 1006/18/2011

Nursing homes are quite different from assisted living.

Assisted living runs from 4 to 6k a month. You have an apartment with cleaning services and communal food service, but you can cook in your own kitchen.

There are daily excursions with a driver to grocery stores etc.

If something happens there is medical care onsite.

Nursing homes are drool houses and she would not subject herself to that.

by Anonymousreply 1106/18/2011

OP, are you a lesbian from Florida who used to post authenticated threads on DL all the time, artfully telling tales of her great deeds to get a DL pat on the back?

I can't remember her name, but I remember she made this big deal about going to help the victims of Katrina, got page after page of accolades, but then never went. She finally got called out on her shit enough times that she either stopped posting or stopped authenticating.

Are you this lesbian from Florida, OP?

by Anonymousreply 1206/18/2011

No...I am not a lesbian, I am not in Florida. ...and the point of the thread which got derailed is that I think it is wrong that vitamins are not covered. They should be covered under food as they are a nutritious ingestible substance.

by Anonymousreply 1306/18/2011

If she's poor the kind of nursing home that she can go to, at least until they end Medicaid, will not give her a good life. The care and food will be horrible and there will be a chance of outright abuse. In very hot weather she most likely will not have air conditioning. The condition in most state run nursing homes (the kind poor people go to now even with Medicaid) are for the most part hell on earth. It won't be the kind of great nursing homes well to do people can afford. Most of them are also dirty and depressing. She's best staying at home for as long as she can. %0D %0D Thank you OP for what you're doing. You restore my faith in people a little. You make me hope there is such a thing as Karma.%0D

by Anonymousreply 1406/18/2011

Ignoring R12, nursing homes provide food and shelter in a safe environment. If she doesn't currently have food and shelter in a safe environment, this would be an alternative.

At the very least, she should be preparing for the possibility while she's coherent enough to make choices.

Get the fucking applications for her and discuss the matter. That's all I'm suggesting.

by Anonymousreply 1506/18/2011

We have discussed it and it is not an option for her.

Her mind is made up.

IF it comes to that she will get a reverse mortgage (she does own a small home) and live-in help for as long as she can afford it.

She has decided that she would rather end her life than go to a public care facility and plans on doing so.

If her memory and faculties began to get spotty I've not doubt she would end it.

Her sister is 96 and still living on her own with a daily assistant. Her sister is very mentally sharp and would also rather die than live in a nursing home.

by Anonymousreply 1606/18/2011

I can kind of see why vitamins would be restricted. You can spend some serious dollars on this stuff, much of which is unproven or a complete waste. Maybe they should allow it if a doctor or nutritionist signs off on it?

by Anonymousreply 1706/18/2011

R17 you CAN buy frozen food, soda, cereal and other stuff that is not nutritious but would need a doctor to sign off on Vitamin C?


by Anonymousreply 1806/18/2011

I love you for doing this OP. I took care of my mother until she died @ 92. Soft foods are easier to chew and to swallow, that's whay they are often the preferred choice. %0D %0D Don't know where you live, but the Area Agencies on Aging fund free services for the elderly in most communities all over the USA. They're funded from state and federal money. They aren't income tested. All you have to be is over 65.%0D %0D Anyway, they fund aging services programs @ local organizations like churches, or my own local Senior Citizen council. Telephone reassurance programs where volunteers regularly call to check on shut ins, Senior companions who stop by, and take them to the store or the doctors, outings for a nominal fee to go on "field trips," or out to lunch, Meals on Wheels for week day lunches, etc. Check them out. %0D %0D There's also respite care for caregivers so the caregiver can take a break and go out and enjoy themselves. Sometimes, local recreation departments have senior citizen services if you can't find them anywhere else. Good luck. %0D %0D I've also discovered that more and more independent living facilities, (senior citizens apartment buildings) are beginning to provide access to more services. You won't find every single thing that an assisted living facility has, but you will find some stuff. %0D %0D My mother's apartment building had a coffee hour in the morning, and served bagels, donuts, yogurt, cold cereal, and fruit, with coffee tea or juice. About a dozen people would show up...and some took enough for "a snack" later. %0D %0D Then the Meals on Wheels delivery guy came with lunch, and people were on their own for supper. At first, mom was able to take out clearly labelled frozen stuff I prepared for her, and warm it up. So that helped. %0D %0D They also had a bus to go to the grocery store,and the bank twice a month, and the drugstore delivered presecriptions for free.%0D A local dry cleaners stopped by twice a month. %0D %0D The residents organized a weekly movie night with pizza, a game night, and a weekly bingo game. The residents committee helped make it happen. They even had "special occasion" gatherings for Superbowl, or Oscar night, etc. %0D %0D I'm just saying there are ways around assisted living if you find it cost prohibitive, and most people do. Once residents get to know one another at these independent living apartments,they help each other out and look out for one another. %0D %0D If she isn't in a senior apartment, check them out. if you can find one in a good location with access toshopping, restaurants libraries movies, etc. places where it's pleasant to go for walks, that's all to the good.

by Anonymousreply 1906/18/2011

R3, why would you feel compelled to call this woman an 'old cunt'?%0D %0D R3, you are seriously mentally disturbed and unbalanced psychologically.%0D %0D I hope very few people have to come into contact with you and your demented personality.

by Anonymousreply 2006/18/2011

Excellent post, R19! very helpful and thanks for the information

by Anonymousreply 2106/18/2011

Buy the generic multivitamin from CVS when they go BOGO.

99.9% of vitamins are useless anyway. Bloodwork can be done by her dr to see if she has a deficiency. If she does, it should be covered by her Medicare prescription plan.

Fresh vegetable stock for soup is sold in supermarkets and frozen mixed vegetables are quite healthy and can be added to cans of College Inn broth along with the stock.

by Anonymousreply 2206/18/2011

[quote]you CAN buy frozen food, soda, cereal and other stuff that is not nutritious but would need a doctor to sign off on Vitamin C? Really?

I'm certainly not saying that's right, either. The whole thing should be revamped. My suggestion was meant as a sensible approach to put controls on either the supplement crazy freaks or the well-meaning but poorly informed that may waste a bunch of money on pills that are doing them no good, or perhaps even harm. Some vitamins/supplements can be toxic taken in the wrong dosage, or even contraindicated with certain medications. That's why it might be a good thing to have them certified as necessary by a professional before covering them.

by Anonymousreply 2306/18/2011

Just wanted to add that it has been proven that social interaction slows down mental deterioration. %0D %0D People who live alone are more likely to slow down mentally than those who live around other people. So at some point living alone in her own house is not good for her mental health. %0D %0D Older adults get stubborn, and sometimes expect the world to come to them, and the sooner they realize they have to bend a little the better it will be.%0D %0D be careful of a reverse mortgage, OP. But if you decide to go that route, she can still live in Senior Citizens' housing, and invest the money, or save it for emergency care, and rent out her house for income. it's worth looking into. %0D %0D My mother would dig in, unless she felt it was her decision. Older adults who are becoming less independent, often assert themselves with the only independence left to them, which is the ability to say no. %0D %0D So slow walk her gently, and try to understand what she means instead of what she is saying. Good luck. OK. I'm done.

by Anonymousreply 2406/18/2011

We are neighbors so I will just keep making soup for her a couple of times a week.

She will not eat canned food. She has always been a vegetables and fruit type of person, just now the veg needs to be soft.

It is not a problem at all...we've known each other since I was a kid and she certainly did her share of taking care of and helping me out.

by Anonymousreply 2506/18/2011

Love you, OP and also R19 for all your info.

by Anonymousreply 2606/18/2011

You are a good person OP. Hugs to you!

by Anonymousreply 2706/18/2011

[quote] She has always been a vegetables and fruit type of person

Then she has no need for vitamin supplements, which are considered medical products BTW, not food, because they are manufactured in a laboratory.

Odd that someone would not eat canned or frozen food, but would want to take synthetic vitamins manufactured in a laboratory.

Especially if she is a fresh fruit and vegetable person.

by Anonymousreply 2806/18/2011

You are a good person OP! %0D %0D But where are her friends and family in all of this? %0D %0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 2906/18/2011

I have the pleasure of living a few blocks from my childhood home. Lots of the neighbors are still here and elderly. They are all able to take care of themselves financially and have adult children around my age that help out, check-in, etc. What I love is having relationships with these fine people. When I walk the dogs we sometimes visit, have drinks on occasion; it's a real sense of community that I value. If anyone ever needed anything I'd be there in a second. Also, I know they would be here for me if I needed anything.

You guys are inspiring me to look for a volunteer opportunity with elderly people who could use a hand. Great thread, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 3006/18/2011

Not all vitamins are derived synthetically. Check out the source Super Nutrition.

You might be surprised at how many healthy people who do eat well also take vitamins.

by Anonymousreply 3106/18/2011

Sure thing, R31. And it's totally up to them how they waste their OWN money.

by Anonymousreply 3206/18/2011

R3, you're a moron for so many reasons. As you get older, you're encouraged to take certain vitamins because you need more of them, like calcium.

by Anonymousreply 3306/18/2011

OP, as another poster said, see if her doctor will prescribe the vitamins. My rheumy prescribes me folic acid, even though it's available OTC.

I'm sure if she explains the reason why, her doctor will have no problem writing her a script for what she wants. Also, it gives the doctor a chance to make sure she's not taking a vitamin that may interfere with any medications she may be taking.

by Anonymousreply 3406/18/2011

The point is R32.

One CAN waste money on food programs by buying crap food like Ramen and sodium laced frozen foods.

While these foods are bad for you I do not think the freedom to consume them should be taken away even if they are not using 'their own' money.

You consider it a waste. Much of the population disagrees with you.

I think that they are a nutrition supplement that should be allowed on food programs.

Hell in California they have a restaurant program that includes Subway sandwiches which can be purchased with the cards.

If you allow pure shit such as that a little calcium and vitamin C are surely better.

by Anonymousreply 3506/18/2011

Vitamins are prescribed by doctors on a regular basis for the elderly you nimrods.

by Anonymousreply 3606/18/2011

R34 Medication is not an issue. She takes no prescription medication.

The only vitamins she will take come from Super Nutrition and are not available by prescription.

Once she has adjusted her budget and gotten used to the savings from using the food card I think she can do the vitamins.

I do also think they should be permitted on the cards.

by Anonymousreply 3706/18/2011

Medicaid covers vitamins.

by Anonymousreply 3806/18/2011

[quote] You might be surprised at how many healthy people who do eat well also take vitamins.

No, I'm not surprised at all Americans have the most expensive urine in the world, as they pee out all those needless vitamins which cause their liver and kidneys more work to clear out of the system. They are wasting their money, but that is allowed.

There is no reason for people who eat healthily to take vitamin supplements unless they have a medical condition which causes a deficiency. If you need folic acid, your dr can prescribe it for you and Medicare will pay for it.

For years women have been told by the medical establishment to take calcium and vitamin D supplements to prevent osteoporosis. It has never been shown that taking these supplements does anything to prevent osteoporosis. It's mosty genetically determined and besides, even if more Vit D and Ca did prevent osteoporosis, one would be much smarter to increase consumption of foods rich in these sources rather than taking supplements.

[quote] The only vitamins she will take come from Super Nutrition and are not available by prescription.

Why should taxpayers subsidize her expensive superstition about nutrition? She needs no vitamins so long as she eats well and is seen regularly by her health care provider. If she needs supplementation, her health care provider can order it

Maybe my granny wants to take Super Healthy Happy Smile Sunshine Nutritional Supplements which uses raw milk from the coconuts avaiable on one specific island in the South Pacific (because she heard someone in an AARP Senior Nutrition Lecture say it was "real good") and salt from Mohave desert and several favorite Native American weeds harvested at the age of 6 weeks under a full moon? And she wants it from a maker who is certified organic by the government if Fiji?

Why should you pay for it?

by Anonymousreply 3906/18/2011

If we allow people to make the choice and (yes we pay for it) to eat unhealthy frozen and prepared items we should allow them to make the choice to eat well and take vitamins.

The fact is that they get a fixed amount and it has no impact on us or the govt or the budget if a portion of that is spent on vitamins.

by Anonymousreply 4006/18/2011

R39 sounds like the same poster of last weekend who went on extensive rants about how fast food was not particularly unhealthy and how it does not hurt one's health.%0D %0D He would not stop all weekend.

by Anonymousreply 4106/18/2011

Ok OP, first all, I think the larger issue is that someone stepped in for your new friend. I applaud you for actually noticing another human being. You didn't mention if she has family or not.

As for r39, I'm not sure what to say. The old lady just wanted vitamins and she was denied. OP stepped in and eased her mind. At 84, who cares if they are beneficial or not. It's something she felt she needed.

You, r39 are most likely the kind of prick who endorses extending the Bush tax cuts to the rich and not taxing big oil. But allowing an old lady to buy a bottle of vitamins is going to bankrupt the country. Again, I really don't know what to say other that you are an embarrassment.

by Anonymousreply 4206/18/2011

R39/28/22 is absolutely correct.

The stupidity on this thread illustrates exactly why the "nanny state" is needed. The majority of responses here prove that the average American is clueless about nutrition. And spare me the false equivalency crap about the Ramen noodles and soda- those should be banned, too. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

And, yes, I'm beginning to see that the OP just came here to get martyr points. She has absolutely no interest in being educated.

by Anonymousreply 4306/18/2011

Food stamps is a program designed to help the agriculture industry. If poor people get some residual benefit, then that's good too, but the primary beneficiary is the food industry. That's why the program is run by the Dept of Agriculture, and not the Dept of Health and Human Services. It's also why recipients can use food stamps to buy junk food, but not to buy vitamins.

by Anonymousreply 4406/18/2011

Are fruit smoothies not an option (I know they aren't for diabetics)? If they are then just get her one of those juicers that you can put a whole fruit (or a vegetable) in, they are not that expensive if you shop around.

by Anonymousreply 4506/18/2011

OP You are what is right with the world

by Anonymousreply 4606/18/2011

Why does tobacco always come up in discussions about food stamps? I don't understand how that in any way could ever be considered food - of course it wouldn't be covered. Am I missing something?

by Anonymousreply 4706/18/2011

Fuck the food stamp nonsense. Give them cash. Let them figure out how to make their food budget work. It's stupid and sick to deny people toilet paper, vitamins, soap, laundry detergent, etc.

by Anonymousreply 4806/18/2011

R45, one uses an electric blender, not a juicer to make fruit smoothies.%0D %0D Just a regular Kitchen Aid blender or another brand.%0D %0D A juicer is not needed at all.%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 4906/18/2011

"Tell the old cunt that vitamins are found in actual food and help them select fruits, vegetables, proteins and grains. It's not that difficult."

Probably not the first time you've heard this: you are a real piece of shit. Now go watch some porn and let the adults talk.

by Anonymousreply 5006/18/2011

Why am I paying for her food? This is not what I pay taxes for! If you can't afford food, then just die, why is it my problem?

by Anonymousreply 5106/18/2011

I began taking vitamins a few years ago and I feel much better and yes I eat fruits and vegetables as well. I feel great when I do my C supplement and my 3 a day. I look better too.

Do we now have an anti-vitamin troll?

by Anonymousreply 5206/18/2011

Food stamps should not exist. These people should be given cash. She is an adult and able to decide what she needs.%0D

by Anonymousreply 5306/18/2011

[quote]I can understand the restrictions on alcohol and tobacco, even soda if that goes through but vitamins can be very helpful for those who eat very little.

If you can understand the restrictions on alcohol and tobacco, then you can understand restrictions on other luxuries.

Food stamps are meant to be provide food, not attract you to them by supplying you with things like cigarettes, vitamins, and fast food. These are things you can buy with your own money.

When other people are paying the bill, you have to make do with actual, you know, FOOD.

by Anonymousreply 5409/01/2011

I like you, OP!

by Anonymousreply 5509/01/2011

R39 is why they kill us.

by Anonymousreply 5609/01/2011

Bloomberg and the mayors of LA, Chicago, and other cities are urging Congress to limit and/or ban EBT users from buying soda in order to keep them from getting fat.....

but they said nothing about limiting candy, chip, or donut purchases.

Doesn't seem like it would be legal to single out one line of products. A lawsuit by soda companies would be filed in a heartbeat.

by Anonymousreply 5706/20/2013

[quote] I can understand the restrictions on alcohol and tobacco, even soda if that goes through but vitamins can be very helpful for those who eat very little.

Food Stamps are a program funded through the Department of Agriculture, which is why there are limitations on what they can be used to purchase.

by Anonymousreply 5806/20/2013

R57, somehow the WIC program manages to limit purchases to healthy foods. I assume the lobbying power of corn growers, corn syrup producers, and the soft drink companies blocks the SNAP program from similarly limiting grocery purchases.

by Anonymousreply 5906/20/2013

According to the local media, there is a waiting list of 2,000 people for Meals On Wheels. They have had major cutbacks due to the sequestration. At the same time, a highway in the region is getting a major facelift of sod and plantings.

by Anonymousreply 6006/21/2013

Are Subway sandwiches really shit, R35? I've never had one, but assumed that they're full of fresh ingredients ...

And I saw this recently, found it interesting.

by Anonymousreply 6106/21/2013

Vitamins are a scam, your body can't process them from pills anyway.

by Anonymousreply 6206/21/2013
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