You Americans really loved it, didn't you?%0D %0D That awful song, still makes Americans weak at the knees. 'OMG, Lulu!' Apparently the biggest selling single in the USA in the wonderful musical year of 1967 and now one of America's favorite golden oldies.%0D %0D Why? The film is so trite and the acting uniformly wooden, as was the clumsy, ham-fisted direction.
To Sir With Love (1967)
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 90||04/15/2013|
That movie was before my time, but that is still a great song. I rented the movie just so I could see the movie associated with that tune. Movie was not so great.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 1||04/08/2011|
Gotta say, I loved the tampon burning part.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 2||04/08/2011|
Is that what was going on? I knew the girls had done something nasty, but wasn't clear on just what.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 3||04/08/2011|
Love it, but I'm a sucker for UK films from the 60's.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 4||04/08/2011|
Quite the attitude, OP? Are you being paid by the thread?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 5||04/08/2011|
I just love it because Mr. Tibbs was in it. (That's what they call him, you know.)
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 6||04/08/2011|
Haven't seen the movie but just love the song. No apologies here...
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 7||04/08/2011|
What R6 said. And Lulu was flat and talentless, but the song had genuine emotion.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 8||04/08/2011|
"I am sick of your foul language, your crude behavior and your sluttish manner. There are certain things a decent woman keeps private, and only a filthy slut would have done this and those who stood by and encouraged her are just as bad. I don't care who's responsible - you're all to blame. Now, I am going to leave this room for five minutes by which time that disgusting object had better be removed and the windows opened to clear away the stench."
Ironically, this was the same speech my mom used when she found me showing the neighbor boys my new dildo.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 9||04/08/2011|
Poitier is poetry.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 10||04/08/2011|
Aw, R9, you left out the best part of that quote:
*bellowing* "If you must play these filthy games, PLAY THEM IN YOUR HOMES--[*quieter*]and not. in. my. classroom!"
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 11||04/08/2011|
I still watch it when it comes on. It's a sweet movie, and Poitier was hot. %0D %0D The way they lived looks so quaint, and looked quaint to Americans even at the time it was made, since the UK was at least 20 years behind the times with its lack of modern conveniences.%0D %0D I love all the 60s British cinema.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 12||04/08/2011|
"The film is so trite and the acting uniformly wooden"%0D %0D %0D %0D %0D What does that have to do with the song? It's the song that's popular (according to you at least, I don't really hear it that much on the oldies station) not the movie. The movie is mostly forgotten.%0D %0D %0D And it's not like there haven't been shitty songs that were big hits in the UK. You guys listen to shit like Westlife.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 13||04/08/2011|
About 5 years ago I was in a fast food restaurant in North Philadelphia when this song came on. The young kids working there started singing along!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 14||04/08/2011|
I've never seen the movie; don't like the song. My mother is fond of both, however.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 15||04/08/2011|
[quote]Quite the attitude, OP? Are you being paid by the thread?%0D %0D That would be nice. Sorry about the attitude, just ignore it, like everyone else. I'm starting to get a clue as to why it was so popular. 'Quaint' & 'sweet'.%0D %0D I love British films of the 60s too, most of them, but this one, not so much.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 16||04/08/2011|
Dreadful movie. Awful writing, awful color, awful everything.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 17||04/08/2011|
[quote]The movie is mostly forgotten.%0D %0D 127 reviews on Amazon, 109 people give it five stars only 2, 1 star reviews. Quite something for a forty five year old, 'forgotten', low budget, British film.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 18||04/08/2011|
Christian was FAB!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 19||04/08/2011|
"127 reviews on Amazon"%0D %0D %0D %0D So what? And I'm guessing that not all those people are American (since you insist it's some kind of American classic)
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 20||04/08/2011|
Champagne for Lulu!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 21||04/08/2011|
[quote]That awful song, still makes Americans weak at the knees.
No, it doesn't. It was more than forty years ago. Americans don't remember anything. Not one person out of twenty could even tell you who starred in the movie, and not one out of fifty could hum the melody of the song.
You don't know anything about the USA at all. You think you do, but you're completely underifnormed.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 22||04/08/2011|
The song itself isn't so bad, but her singing was just awful.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 23||04/08/2011|
The popular girls in my high school senior class of '74 sang To Sir With Love at our graduation ceremony. They were so sweet and so sad, and really did a lovely job. I didn't know they were working it up and since I'm an emotional slob I couldn't hold the tears back.%0D %0D I'll always love that stupid song.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 24||04/08/2011|
It wasn't trite THEN. Of course films get "trite" as they age, because they get copied. West Side Story can seem "trite" if you've seen a hundred different versions of Romeo and Juliet.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 25||04/08/2011|
Better as an ensemble.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 26||04/08/2011|
For the fans of British cinema from the 60s you should try and get hold of 'The Leather Boys' or 'A Taste of Honey'.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 27||04/08/2011|
It's OK but it's no Change of Habit
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 28||04/08/2011|
OP, you are right. But as crude as the direction is, the story does draw you in. And there is Judy Geeson, 'the poor man's Julie Christie,' and it was part of a cycle of films (like 'Up The Down Staircase') which were beginning to inform Americans that kids were getting wilder in class, and that public schools were not what they used to be (no matter that this was set in a British slum) a movie genre arguably started by 'Blackboard Jungle.'
And this movie posits that one good teacher can change lives, something we liberals believe and think is true (and still true).
And the song is great, I'm sorry. A good melody connected to a message that (especially in context, which is also how it was used to good effect in 'Glee') is emotional, open, soaring, uplifting. From Lulu's opening, "Those school girl days/Of telling tales and biting nails are gone," yes, we are weepy goners. It's as good as any Brill Building anthem from the early '60s. And just as nostalgic.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 29||04/08/2011|
I always cry when Lulu sings "To Sir With Love" at the end of the movie. Also, when you hear the same song playing during the museum scene was very effective.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 30||04/08/2011|
R28: thats the only thing i remember from that movie!!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 31||04/08/2011|
R23, how about this version? Don't remember whether it got much play on non-black stations in the 70s.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 32||04/08/2011|
Loved Judy Geeson! I thought she was going to have a major career boost with this one.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 33||04/08/2011|
Jesus, the one with Al Green is wretched.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 34||04/08/2011|
Al Green took it up the ass?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 35||04/08/2011|
How would we know OP? The people who made it a hit in theaters are probably all dead now.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 36||04/08/2011|
In England, Lulu's producer had no idea that To Sir With Love would be a big hit. He didnt like it much so he stuck it on the B side of this song. It takes a few listens.%0D %0D
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 37||04/08/2011|
I didn't know what song you were referring to it until I looked at it on Youtube. I have heard it, and it's okay, but I hadn't heard it in years and I've never seen the movie and I'm almost 50.%0D
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 38||04/08/2011|
If you mean Americans are nostalgic for school days, well, yes, who wouldn't be considering how nasty and brutish American adult life is.%0D
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 39||04/08/2011|
I don't think I've ever even heard the song. It's not on oldies stations, and my partner -- who knows far too much about 1960s and 1970s pop songs, good and bad -- couldn't remember it, either.
The movie doesn't make much of a splash as far as online discussion or blogging goes, either. It's on TCM every so often, yet I don't know of anyone who mentioned they saw the movie when it was on.
If FeedFlicks would just stop pulling up my data AGAIN, I could tell you how often the movie gets rented, which I suspect isn't very often.
So I'm having trouble seeing why OP flipped his lid on the issue, because neither the movie nor the song seem to be particularly popular. Maybe it's just popular with Boomers or something.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 40||04/08/2011|
Plus, it's been unavailable on DVD in the US for years. Unless you troll for used copies or third-party dealers.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 41||04/08/2011|
1967?%0D %0D Are you a hundred years old, OP?%0D %0D Why would we care about such a thing?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 42||04/08/2011|
I got a copy of the movie and the soundtrack last year on Amazon.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 43||04/08/2011|
It's very much available. Brand new copies. Amazon also streams it.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 44||04/08/2011|
Yeaaaahhhh, I've never seen the movie, and I've never heard the song. I don't even know what it's about.
Soooooooo, yeaaahhh, I don't really have an opinion about it.
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|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 45||04/08/2011|
FeedFlicks says that less than 1000 people have watched or rented the movie, which was released on DVD 11 years ago. That's not a particularly compelling statistic and it certainly doesn't support the idea that everyone in the U.S. is crazy over this movie.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 46||04/08/2011|
Sidney Poitier wooden!?%0D %0D Such mindless drivel about the colonies led to revolution.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 47||04/08/2011|
Of all the obscure crap that floats through the Datalounge on a daily basis, why is To Sir With Love, of all things, getting bashed as irrelevant?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 48||04/08/2011|
OP, tell us more about your brilliant and up-to-the-minute observations about American culture. Do you also see us obsessed with the latest hip dances like the frug and the monkey? Do you think we'll ever be able to stop listening to Donovan and Bobby Sherman?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 49||04/08/2011|
[quote]who wouldn't be considering how nasty and brutish American adult life is.%0D %0D %0D You are not American, obviously.%0D %0D
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 50||04/08/2011|
Love the movie - was obsessed with the little rubber buxom beauty that showed her boobs when squeezed. Always wanted to find one of those!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 52||04/08/2011|
... and it has Hyacinth Bucket working in the slums around all those crude slutty teenagers! *gasp!*
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 53||04/08/2011|
Actually, if you've ever read the book, this all took place in late 1940's Britain. Other than changing it to the 1960's, the movie is very true to the book.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 54||04/09/2011|
SCTV did a version with Bob Geldof and Ricardo Montalbhan!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 55||04/09/2011|
[quote]1967? Are you a hundred years old, OP? Why would we care about such a thing?
Wow, the idiots came hard and fast onto this thread. Like the above comment @ R44.
44 responses and apparently no one cares 'about such a thing'.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 56||01/05/2013|
Why in the world would you bump this thread R56?
Please answer this.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 57||01/05/2013|
r53, and she was so skinny in that yellow sleeveless frock.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 58||01/05/2013|
Why would you bother clicking on this thread and leaving your useless comment, R57?
Please answer this.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 59||01/05/2013|
(59) hahahahahhaha you tickle me. "Trite"? "Wooden"? hahaha you obviously don't get it so no use trying to explain it to you. Maybe you get to come back another life time and try again. - pitiful you are.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 60||01/05/2013|
I prefer Lulu's James Bond theme song a bit better.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 61||01/05/2013|
The OP sounds like a real crab.
There are plenty of movies much worse than "To Sir With Love." Why pick on it? It was a movie of its time. And it's not bad at all.
The song was a very enjoyable pop tune, nothing more, nothing less.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 62||01/05/2013|
Lulu...To Sir With Love
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 63||01/05/2013|
[quote]Gotta say, I loved the tampon burning part.
Thanks! I've seen TSWL at least 20 times, and never knew what they were burning.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 64||01/05/2013|
This eldergay (hiss! hiss!) has never seen the film, though is familiar with the song. I think of Lulu as Adrian Mole's mother.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 65||01/05/2013|
Why did they burn the tampon?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 66||01/05/2013|
[quote]Christian was FAB!
I see what you mean.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 67||01/05/2013|
It's a fascinating glimpse into how awful life ford working class Brits is. Such filthy, dreary cities. Such ignorant, racist people. Such violence and poverty. It makes Urban Britain look like a slum filled with guttersnipes.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 68||01/05/2013|
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 69||01/05/2013|
Youngins today know the song today because the kids sang it to Mr Shu on "Glee"
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 70||01/05/2013|
My favorite version of the song is the Michael Stipe/Natalie Merchant duet at Clinton's first inauguration.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 71||01/05/2013|
Champagne for Lulu!!!
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 72||01/06/2013|
Don't blame us, OP. Brits foisted the movie on us. and it was years ago. It's hardly like the Sound of Music, introduced just a year earlier, a perennial favorite. It's a vague memory; hardly something worth griping about today.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 73||01/06/2013|
[quote]Why did they burn the tampon?
I assume the students wanted to be assholes by shocking the teacher. But, it was a filthy thing they did.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 74||01/06/2013|
Katey Sagal sang To Sir With Love on the last episode of Sons of Anarchy. I thought she was great
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 75||01/06/2013|
I love that movie. Fell in love with Sydney on the spot. Yummy. Also liked Patch of Blue.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 76||01/06/2013|
[quote]The OP sounds like a real crab.
I know! Who would characterize a decades old song that no one talks about as a major character flaw of a country? Even if you consider with channels like AMC and Turner, people get to see a ton of films they wouldn't ordinarily,"To Sir" is hardly a hot topic.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 77||01/06/2013|
To ask you the question, R59.
Did you answer?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 78||01/06/2013|
It was recently shown on Channel 13 here in NYC, and I was surprised that while it's somewhat dated, there's a lot that still works; I hadn't seen it in years, and really enjoyed it. I'll bet it would resonate with kids these days as well.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 79||01/06/2013|
The over 20 responses since I bumped it, is my answer, twit face @ R78.
There are so many moronic posters on DL, who say things like 'no one cares, OP'...and they're posting on 50+ response threads.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 80||01/06/2013|
20 responses?? That's not a lot. The thread is inane but DLs often post reams on inane threads. Like when that persnickety overly delicate guy got all bent out of shape over a cat turd in his garden. You've proven nothing.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 81||01/06/2013|
You still haven't answered the question.
Why so touchy? You mad?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 82||01/06/2013|
The point is that nobody is talking about this movie very much any more than they are the cat who pooped in the delusional, vindictive man's petunia garden.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 83||01/06/2013|
I'm American and I've never seen it, and I've never heard it discussed outside of Datalounge. I guess that song was on "Glee" and I remember it from olden times but I haven't heard it on the radio for decades.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 84||01/06/2013|
I've seen the movie several times and love everything about it -- the kids, the teachers, the trip to the V & A, a peed at a young Hyacinth B., and especially the song. It moves me to tears every time.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 85||01/07/2013|
I haven't seen this movie in a long time and watched it again today. Did you know that Patricia Routledge was a teacher in the movie?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 86||04/14/2013|
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 87||04/14/2013|
I knew they were going to use it on GLEE. It doesn't compare to Lulu, who (like the movie) is fab and makes me weep from the opening bars of the music. But who knew the author of SHOGUN wrote and directed it?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 88||04/14/2013|
Love the movie, love the song. I never get tired of either.
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 89||04/14/2013|
Saw it yesterday on TCM. Someone tell me, at the very beginning when Thackery (Portier) is walking to school and stops at the public bathroom and the young guy comes out and stares at him, are they implying what I THINK they're implying?
|by Those schoolgirl days||reply 90||04/15/2013|