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Lyle and Erik Menendez

Do you believe them? Or do you think they were lying?

by Anonymousreply 9204/13/2013

Also I'd be curious to know which one of them is actually gay. Or are both of them?

by Anonymousreply 103/10/2011

Just out of curiosity, OP, what made you think of this and post this?

by Anonymousreply 203/10/2011

'The courts already decided they were lying'

But some feel the abuse was real

by Anonymousreply 303/10/2011

The father wasn't very nice. When they heard he had been killed, his employees immediately listed their alibis...

by Anonymousreply 403/10/2011

If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

by Anonymousreply 503/10/2011

[quote]But some feel the abuse was real

But a lot feel the abuse was made up.

by Anonymousreply 603/10/2011

It's 50-50

by Anonymousreply 703/10/2011

Something must not have been quite right in that family in order for the sons to murder their dad for money.

But I don't blame the parents at all. Lots of families are dysfunctional, and the boys might have been on drugs or something.

by Anonymousreply 803/10/2011

I think the younger one was abused. I think the older one seized on that as a "credible" defense should they be caught.

by Anonymousreply 903/10/2011

[quote]It's 50-50

No it's not.

by Anonymousreply 1003/10/2011

Apparently daddy was a pig and mommy just went along with it all. Hard to believe this was over 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 1103/10/2011

If those two took a plea deal and plead guilty to Murder Two, they could have been out of jail by now.

by Anonymousreply 1203/10/2011

Sociopaths who wanted nice cars and Rolexes.

by Anonymousreply 1303/10/2011

who inherited all the money?

by Anonymousreply 1403/10/2011

[quote]Something must not have been quite right in that family in order for the sons to murder their dad for money.%0D %0D Are you kidding? People murder out of pure greed all the time. I think the older brother was a sociopath and the younger one was easily manipulated by him. Wasn't Daddy getting sick and tired of the older son's lack of direction and criminal activities? %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 1503/10/2011

I have always thought the older one knew the younger one had been sexually abused because he abused him. I also think the older wanted money and seduced the younger one to commit the murders. After all wasn't it the younger one who admitted that they had killed the parents?%0D %0D They were greedy but not very bright.

by Anonymousreply 1603/10/2011

Numerous family members and friends testified to the parental abuse and neglect the boys suffered their entire lives. Only one family member testified to a different family history and that was Kitty's brother who stood to gain a lot of money from her estate if the boys were convicted. His story was in direct conflict to every other story given by people who know the family.

I don't know if the killings were justified or unjustified, but the abuse and neglect was real. They fucked up the boys. The result they got is the sort of thing one might expect, given the upbringing those boys endured.

by Anonymousreply 1703/10/2011

I always thought the older one was abused and then he abused his brother. That was his way of controlling the younger one but I don't think the younger one felt it was abuse. I think he was in love with his older brother.

by Anonymousreply 1803/10/2011

[quote]Numerous family members and friends testified to the parental abuse and neglect the boys suffered their entire lives. Only one family member testified to a different family history and that was Kitty's brother who stood to gain a lot of money from her estate if the boys were convicted. His story was in direct conflict to every other story given by people who know the family.

Like who? The sexual abuse stories have been widely disputed.

by Anonymousreply 1903/10/2011

The older one was cuter, but the younger one had BDF FOR.DAYS! These are the only qualities I care about.

by Anonymousreply 2003/10/2011

They were telling the truth! They were framed

by Anonymousreply 2103/10/2011

The sexual abuse they endured from their father was true. And if I recall, the mother committed sexual abuse on them too. I'm not sure if I believe their story about that's why they killed their parents. But I believe the sexual abuse part of their story.

by Anonymousreply 2203/10/2011

[quote]The sexual abuse they endured from their father was true. And if I recall, the mother committed sexual abuse on them too. I'm not sure if I believe their story about that's why they killed their parents. But I believe the sexual abuse part of their story.

There was nothing to back up that either brother was sexually molested.

by Anonymousreply 2303/10/2011

I bet their father had sex with them. Liked Latino boys. Didn't he create the teeny bopper group, Menuto?

by Anonymousreply 2403/10/2011

There was nothing to back that up? One of the male cousins testified to coming into the house one afternoon after tennis and finding Jose and Erik together naked in the shower of one of the guest baths. That gives sufficient corroboration of Jose being sexually inappropriate with his sons. Lyle testified that Jose did it to him and that when Erik became a teenager, Jose did it to him, too. The testimony of the cousin makes it clear that Jose was engaging in unhealthy behaviors with his sons. He also was very abusive and controlling of his sons when they competed in the sports he demanded they compete in. There was testimony about him standing on the sidelines and screaming at his sons, berating them in front of everyone present, whenever they would make a mistake on the tennis court. %0D %0D One of their aunts testified at length to Kitty's neglect of the boys, even when they were small. She testified that she lived in the same neighborhood and that one morning Erik showed up, about 3 years old, in a dirty diaper and hungry. She testified that when the boys were very little, the mother would take them with her to a shopping mall, then she would slip away in a department store and leave them so that she could shop unbothered by them. The security guards would scoop them up, screaming, crying, scared to death, and would keep them. Then Kitty would return to the store, shopping bags in tow, and feign distress, "Where are my sons? I've lost my boys!" %0D %0D You can't do shit like that to little kids and have it not distort their emotional health. You can't. Those parents reaped what they sowed. I'm not saying Erik and Lyle were justified in murdering their parents, but the parents were fully responsible for raising two very fucked up kids. And then, what happens happens.

by Anonymousreply 2503/10/2011

How could they claim to have killed in self defense when both young men were adults fully capable of moving out and living on their own?

If they really feared for their lives they had only to leave.

by Anonymousreply 2603/10/2011

[quote]But some feel the abuse was real%0D %0D Of course they were abused you ninnys. They lived in the flats of BH. One can only take so much.

by Anonymousreply 2703/10/2011

Isn't there nude photos of the younger brother? I seem to remember a few from the trial.

by Anonymousreply 2803/10/2011

link to nudes!!

by Anonymousreply 2903/10/2011

Uh not quite R25/Menedez fangurl. Now run along and find a comb for the mass of pubic hair Leslie Abramson has on her had.

by Anonymousreply 3003/10/2011

[quote]Isn't there nude photos

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 3103/10/2011

Reply 31... Seriously, Why do you even bother?

by Anonymousreply 3203/10/2011

They always try to blame the father

by Anonymousreply 3305/20/2011

They should definately have been freed by now. Especially Erik, 20 yrs is long enough. It is a completely travesty of justice that they can never be peroled. Erik should be allowed to be with his wife and lead a normal life, he has paid for what he did.

by Anonymousreply 3405/20/2011

Erik is one hot daddy!

by Anonymousreply 3505/20/2011

Why aren't they eligible for parole?

by Anonymousreply 3605/20/2011

Erik was indeed quite a hottie.

by Anonymousreply 3705/20/2011

Nah, it was Lyle who was the hottie (although he was wearing a system).

by Anonymousreply 3805/20/2011

To each his own, I prefer Erik.

by Anonymousreply 3905/20/2011

The article says they had two hung juries. Only big-dicked men got to judge the.

by Anonymousreply 4005/20/2011

Lyle's the older one, right? He's gorgeous.

The younger one is fugly.

by Anonymousreply 4105/20/2011

Oh, and the younger one was absolutely sexually abused.

I clearly remember learning about the younger brother's stuffed animal collection, about how many he had, what they were named, and how they were placed in his room.

I remember it because it struck a chord with me: as a pre-teen girl, I'd been sexually molested. And at the time, as an adult woman, I still retained my huge collection of 200+ stuffed animals, most of them purchased by myself in my teen years and all of them with names and stories.

Being sexually abused really fucks a person up.

by Anonymousreply 4205/20/2011

Lyle is still in prison with my uncle.

by Anonymousreply 4305/20/2011

I absolutely believe both kids were abused and neglected. Just based on statistics and common sense, you may get one kid in a two-child family spontaneously turning out to be murderous psychopath, but both children? Totally implausible. Clearly something was very wrong in the family, and it appears to have been a combination of shocking maternal neglect and physical and sexual abuse by the father.

The father was a known molester of boys -- no coincidence that he was involved with founding Menudo. I remember reading shortly after the trial that Ricky Martin (a onetime Menudo member) said the father had molested him too, but that he didn't want to get involved with the murder case.

by Anonymousreply 4405/21/2011

You queens are pathetic. They made it up. Both of them were spoiled brats that didn't want to work. Neglected? Hardly. The aunt that backed their story was the same one who was riffling through Jose's papers shortly after his death looking for insurance policies and bank accounts.

There is absolutely zero evidence that Jose Menendez molested Ricky Martin or any other member of Menudo nor has Ricky Martin ever said anything remotely like that.

They ran up a $2k room service bill at the Bel Air Hotel after they killed their parents and right before their funeral. They bought among other things Rolex watches, a Porsche, expensive vacations, and a full time tennis coach among other things.

by Anonymousreply 4505/21/2011

Jose Menendez was not involved in founding Menudo--he signed them to RCA after they had achieved some popularity in Latin America. His signing them doesn't indicate sexual interest in boys--it indicates a record company executive's very intense interest in recruiting successful groups with a pre-existing fanbase.

If Ricky Martin were to come forth and say that Jose molested him, I might reevaluate the boy's claims of molestation. As it stands, there are nothing but rumors about Ricky Martin and Jose Menendez, rumors formed in the wake of the trial.

My belief is that although their childhood was most likely turbulent and dysfunctional, they lied about the sexual abuse.

by Anonymousreply 4605/21/2011

Is r42 kidding? I honestly cannot tell. Stuffed animal owner = sexual abuse victim?! Is there a connection to fibromyalgia too?

I don't know how any of you bitches can absolutely state they were abused based on only their say-so. Didn't they write a screenplay about a couple sons offing their parents? That's the only concrete evidence which sways me to believe they were just after the money.

by Anonymousreply 4705/21/2011

Ricky Martin has denied he was molested by JM.

by Anonymousreply 4805/21/2011

Is he still wearing the piece?

by Anonymousreply 4905/21/2011

I would imagine they're both into the homosex now...

by Anonymousreply 5005/21/2011

[quote]Is he still wearing the piece?


Scroll down for the mugshot linked.

by Anonymousreply 5105/21/2011

Erik is definately the hot one now!

by Anonymousreply 5205/21/2011

"Ricky Martin has denied he was molested by JM."%0D %0D That is true, but...%0D %0D Back then Ricky said that he never met Menendez. Someone found a photo of Jose Menendez, Menudo and Ricky so the question stays: did Ricky forget about that photo or did he lie about never meeting Menendez? %0D %0D And if Ricky lied about that is he telling the truth about alledged molesting?

by Anonymousreply 5305/21/2011

Ricky has posed for hundreds of pictures alongside hundreds of people. Doesn't mean he knows every single person he has appeared in a picture with.

by Anonymousreply 5405/21/2011

I think they could have gotten away with murder, if they hadn't been so damn foolish. Good grief, if you kill your parents, at least pretend you are grieving. Was their father a brute? Yes. Was their mother a woman who never protected her kids against a brute? I think so.

by Anonymousreply 5505/21/2011

R54, Menendez wasn't just another fan, I'm talking about semi-official photo with someone important in the industry.

by Anonymousreply 5605/21/2011

And how many pictures have you seen of celebs posing with industry people that they barely know?

by Anonymousreply 5705/21/2011

Michael Jackson, Menudo and Ricky Martin:%0D %0D As you might or might not know, World of Wonder has optioned Victor Gutierrez' excellent book, Michael Jackson Was My Lover, the well-documented account (a "secret diary") of Jackson's relationship with his first known accuser and the accuser's family who sued Jackson. The Spanish-language version of the book has an extra chapter not appearing in the US version, all about former Menudo star, Ricky Martin, who was then appearing in the soap General Hospital. Here's a rough-around-the-edges translation of some of that chapter: %0D %0D "Amongst the photographs confiscated by the Police during the raid, the detectives found some of an unidentifiable Hispanic boy. Later they discovered that they were of the singer, and ex-member of the band Menudo, Ricky Martin. Who is now an actor on the North American soap opera "General Hospital". Even though the Photographs of the now actor were taken from magazines & promotional stills. They sufficiently indicate a liking towards the ex member of Menudo." %0D %0D In any case, the police knew that the then minor, never reached the point of knowing Jackson. In an interview with Ricky Martin, Martin was asked about the photographs found on Jackson ranch, he was surprised, he had always thought that the king of pop had a platonic liking towards him. " When Jackson invited the group 'Menudo' for some photographs, I wasn't a member of the group yet, when I did join the group I was fully aware that Jackson liked 'Menudo'. But I never would have thought that this man would have kept photographs of me when I was a young boy. The Police have never contacted me, because I never knew Jackson." %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 5805/21/2011

The other incident the Police have involving Ricky Martin, is the report that Ricky Martin was the sexual victim of Jose Menendez. Father of the brothers Menendez, who are now on trial for killing their parents. When Ricky was 12 years old, Jose Menedez was the president of RCA, Menudo's record label. %0D %0D Even though Ricky finds it hard to remember Jose Menedez, he states that nothing happened between the two of them. " I was a kid & I met many people, but I really don't remember this man much" , states Ricky. " When I saw his photograph in the press that he was murdered, his face looked familiar, and it was my assistant that told me that I knew the guy when he was President of RCA. But to say that I had any type of relationship with this man, and add to that ,any type of abuse, I would remember that, I would definitely remember that, nothing like that ever happened" %0D %0D In total there a re 3 people the police believe abused Ricky involuntary: Jackson, Jose Menendez & his ex-manager. It's difficult for Ricky to understand " I don't know what it is about me that they involve me in the sexual abuse charges when I was a boy. It's incredible that I'm involved in these stories, "Menendez & now Jackson". People sure do have a lot of Imagination" Ricky stated in a surprised manner. Strangely a close friend of Ricky's who wish to remain anonymous, states that the idea of Jose having a romantic relationship with one of the members of the group Menudo is not new. " We all knew it & many others new it, the problem was that it was with a minor, it wasn't Ricky Martin, it was with another member of the group" %0D %0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 5905/21/2011

Why have'nt they been paroled?

by Anonymousreply 6005/22/2011

Considering that these guys are major league psychopaths I wouldn't be surprised at all if their parents had abused them. But it wasn't as though Lyle and Erik were being held prisoner by their parents and were forced to kill them in order to escape. They were adults who could have just told them to fuck off and made their own lives apart from them.

by Anonymousreply 6105/22/2011

[quote]Why have'nt they been paroled%0D %0D %0D They both got life-without-parole sentences. Both are classified as maximum-security inmates and are segregated from other prisoners. Also, they are no longer in the same prison. %0D

by Anonymousreply 6205/22/2011

They bragged about killing the parents. They wanted to be gangsters, which is typical rich kid stuff. If they were abused, they didn't decide it was their motive until after they were arrested.%0D

by Anonymousreply 6305/22/2011

Gary Indiana wrote a book and had the Brothers in it...he hated Dominick Dunn and had him as a ridiculous charater in the book. I think he must have sided with the Brothers. The title of the book is Resentment but I know most of you don't nevermind.

by Anonymousreply 6405/22/2011

r64 I've read that book. Creepy and hilarious. One of Indiana's best. Weird coincidence, just yesterday I was discussing one of the trial scenes from the book with a friend. The scene where the expert witness giving forensic testimony has Tourette Syndrome. High comedy.

I don't think Indiana "sided" with the brothers, every character in the book is a complete shit.

by Anonymousreply 6505/22/2011

Both of them are married. Did anyone ever see the wives interviewed on TV? They've been on several times.

by Anonymousreply 6605/22/2011

If I recall correctly, Jose's company was buying a multi-million insurance policy on him, but he had neglected to go for the physical, so the policy was never officially instigated. But the boys thought it had been, and didn't discover the truth until after the deaths.

by Anonymousreply 6705/22/2011

Well they certainly would not have been the beneficiaries of such a policy.%0D

by Anonymousreply 6805/22/2011

True every character in the book was a complete shit but it's been a long time since i read it. i liked it, even WITH all the assholes.

by Anonymousreply 6905/22/2011

I believe that they are telling the truth

by Anonymousreply 7001/13/2012

I believe that they are telling the truth

by Anonymousreply 7101/13/2012

I believe they are telling the truth

by Anonymousreply 7201/13/2012

I don't believe the sexual abuse story, but by all accounts, Jose Menendez was a complete asshole. I have no trouble believing emotional abuse, but it seemed desperate to claim sexual abuse. And the post-murder shopping spree didn't help their credibility.

by Anonymousreply 7301/13/2012

Jose demanded absolute perfection and achievement from his two sons, especially Lyle, this caused both boys to shut down their emotions, becoming robots. Lyle has NO conscience, Erik has a conscience, but not very strong!

by Anonymousreply 7401/13/2012

It really amazes me that some of you here want them to be paroled because they've "paid" for their crimes. You lilly-livered bleeding hearts don't realize that 20 years compared to killing someone is no justice. They should have been injected and rotting in hell by now. Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.

by Anonymousreply 7501/13/2012

Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.

that is the liberal way!!!

by Anonymousreply 7601/13/2012

If they feared for their lives, all they had to do was get jobs and move out of the house.

by Anonymousreply 7701/13/2012

Didn't Jose use to pound on Corey Feldman's fuckhole and promise him a music career?

by Anonymousreply 7801/13/2012

Erik definately should be paroled, he seems like a nice kid and has been in prison for 20 yrs. He has more than paid for his crime. It's a tragedy that he will never be set free.

by Anonymousreply 7901/13/2012

R79, and he's an orphan, poor thing.

by Anonymousreply 8001/13/2012

Not sure probably all lies. Ill admit I'm fascinated by the whole crime and even their lives present day. Is Erik openly gay now? I know they are married oddly I feel bad for Erik. I personally would rather die then just be locked up until death.

by Anonymousreply 8101/18/2012

R62, my uncle is housed in the same cellblock as Lyle and has been for years. He's not segregated from anyone. I've seen him several times during visits. His wife always comes and he jokes around with the other inmates. Interestingly, he talks to black guys so I'm confused about what gang he's with.

by Anonymousreply 8201/18/2012

Life in prison with no chance of parole is just too harsh a sentence especially for Erik. 20 or 30 yrs would have been more than enough than punishment. I feel really sorry for Erik that he will never be able to get on with his life.

by Anonymousreply 8301/18/2012

Erik is married to a woman, but he's also gay. He was caught sucking some guy off when he was in jail awaiting trial. They also found his gay porn magazines in the house during the initial investigation.

by Anonymousreply 8404/13/2013

Incidentally, I think that Lyle is an extremely dangerous sociopath - think "We Need To Talk About Kevin" territory. According to research, there are genetic components to the development of sociopathy - by most accounts, cruel businessman Jose was also a sociopath, although better able to cloak it.

I think Erik was just a sad closeted gay who was obsessed with first pleasing his father, then his brother. I don't think he was necessarily a sociopath - just a messed-up husk of a man with a lot of self-hatred.

by Anonymousreply 8504/13/2013

If Erik took the plea deal and testified against Lyle, he would be out by now.

As it was Erik refused as he wouldn't betray his brother.

by Anonymousreply 8604/13/2013

If you don't deserve life in prison for two murders, when do you deserve it? When you aren't "sad" or gay? What a ridiculous misplacement of pity.

by Anonymousreply 8704/13/2013

Who are you talking to, R87?

by Anonymousreply 8804/13/2013


by Anonymousreply 8904/13/2013

[quote] Really insane to care more about the killers than the victims, probably because you think they're hot and sexy. I would want people like you on MY jury.

In other words, you think that you're hot and sexy as well.

Your post is useless without photos.

by Anonymousreply 9004/13/2013

Thank you, R87.

by Anonymousreply 9104/13/2013

I think they were at least getting finger banged.

by Anonymousreply 9204/13/2013
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