After learning that Barbra was cast in Hello Dolly.%0D %0D -----------------------------------------------%0D %0D Carol Channing considered throwing herself out of a window after learning Barbra Streisand had won the title role in the 1969 movie, "Hello, Dolly!" after Channing had played Dolly Levi on stage. The legend, who celebrates her 90th birthday Monday, told LGBT networking site dot429.com: "I was looking out the window on the 18th floor of the Queen Elizabeth Hotel [in Toronto] . . . I thought, just one more move . . . and this terrible pain will stop, this pain of losing it for all time, they're all forgotten performances, it will stop, the moment that I hit, hit jumping out the window. That's exactly what I wanted to do." But when asked what stopped her from doing it, she replied, "I had a show that night to do, a matinee, as a matter of fact, that day. So I had to get ready for it." Channing on Streisand after she saw her in the movie: "It's not just, you know, singing, that's the last thing that Dolly is. She is a great, great star. Each of us has a different interpretation of playing the same character."%0D %0D
Carol Channing contemplated suicide
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/25/2013|
Yet another person made to contemplate suicide because of Barbra.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||02/12/2011|
[quote]Carol Channing considered throwing herself out of a window after learning Barbra Streisand had won the title role in the 1969 movie, "Hello, Dolly!"
I can't imagine she felt any better about it after seeing Babs in the role.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||02/12/2011|
Then she thought of all the corn cobs, cornbread, corn muffins and pop corn she would miss
|by Anonymous||reply 3||02/12/2011|
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|by Anonymous||reply 5||02/12/2011|
Has she ever been asked about that corn story? How can that be?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||02/12/2011|
There is no Queen Elizabeth Hotel in Toronto, although there is one in Montreal.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||02/12/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 8||02/12/2011|
Channing has never admitted publicly(as far as I know) that the original Broadway "Hello, Dolly" was offered to three or four other stars before they called her.%0D %0D But we are supposed to believe that she was going to jump out a window when Streisand got the film role. I don't think so.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 9||02/12/2011|
Meh. Channing beat Streisand out for the Tony Award as Best Actress in a Musical, when they were nominated for HELLO, DOLLY and FUNNY GIRL, respectively. You win some, you lose some
|by Anonymous||reply 10||02/12/2011|
Was she going to eat a Costco size can of corn?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||02/12/2011|
Think of how much she achieved after that time that we almost missed! She played... well, uh, there's... well she did "Dolly" again a bunch of more times... and, uh, there was "Lorelei"... and a lot of Larry King shows...
|by Anonymous||reply 12||02/12/2011|
"Think of how much she achieved after that time that we almost missed!"
Well, there is "Hello, Bank Robber!" with the classic line, "I've been robbed!", and her saying "Housh."
|by Anonymous||reply 13||02/12/2011|
I know she's a straight woman, but...
|by Anonymous||reply 14||02/12/2011|
|by Anonymous||reply 15||02/12/2011|
Well, it IS her life's work. That might explain why she is always so wide-eyed and over-the-top/animated, like someone who's humiliated but trying to act all blase' about it.%0D %0D Kinda sad. The movie turned out to be a disappointment, as was Channing's "screen test" in "Thoroughly Modern Millie", which showed her to be not so photogenic.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||02/12/2011|
[quote]Carol Channing contemplated suicide After learning that Barbra was cast in Hello Dolly.
Well, didn't we all!
|by Anonymous||reply 17||02/12/2011|
Bread and buttah!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||02/12/2011|
It's in a snit.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||02/12/2011|
r16, yes her MILLIE screen test was so disappointing she got an Oscar nomination.
r9, she's talked about how they wanted Nanny Fabray as Dolly before she came aboard, and she's always left it at "she would have made a very different kind of Dolly."
|by Anonymous||reply 20||02/12/2011|
I find it hard to believe that so many find her a legend or endearing in any way. She's always struck me as a one-note hack.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||02/12/2011|
[quote]I find it hard to believe that so many find her a legend or endearing in any way. She's always struck me as a one-note hack.%0D %0D Well;...They simply adore her in the regions!
|by Anonymous||reply 22||02/12/2011|
I recall seeing that show on Television when i kid, R18. I recall the final song being so. . . .beautiful!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 23||02/12/2011|
Michael Bennett was not a fan and relevant to this thread, said that the few chances she got onscreen were delivered the same way she acted onstage: She played to the balcony. He said it was no wonder she was passed over for Dolly.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||02/12/2011|
You had to see her to appreciate how charming she was on stage.%0D %0D TV and movie screens don't do her justice.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||02/12/2011|
Channing is the closest thing to a female female-impersonaltor.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||02/12/2011|
When people call Carol Channing the first lady of the musical theater, she is quick to say that's only because the true first ladies (Martin & Merman) are too long around. So you can be geacious and truthful.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||02/12/2011|
In related news, scientists at the USDA announced today that corn is a natural depressant. "There is a significant correlation between people who eat corn and suicide risk," states the report.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||02/12/2011|
That's not very gracious to call Merman and Martin too long around. Is that anything like being not too far between?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||02/12/2011|
their caftans are too long around.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||02/12/2011|
Is R27 Mlop?
|by Anonymous||reply 31||02/12/2011|
Is it asking to much that Pati LuPone has the same reaction to the news that Barbra is playing Mama Rose in that "Gypsy" remake. . and that, unlike Channing, she goes through with it successfully?
|by Anonymous||reply 32||02/12/2011|
Barbra Streisand makes the film
|by Anonymous||reply 33||02/12/2011|
But she doesn't have anything against Monroe . . .%0D %0D Never understood that.
|by Anonymous||reply 34||02/13/2011|
Who was she being interviewed by when asked about her gay fans and she replied "well, you know what the bible says about those kind of people" - ? That really bothered me - what a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||02/13/2011|
R14 wins, thread closed.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||02/13/2011|
[quote]Channing is the closest thing to a female female-impersonator.
As she ages, it's easier to see that she is also "Hi Yellow."
|by Anonymous||reply 37||02/13/2011|
Well, R25, here's Channing's response to that interview.
It's funny how that questionable quote, from a small-time writer who seems to have had his own agenda, has gotten around and smeared a lifetime of Channing's being a great friend and supporter of the gay community.
I don't think it's true--that author wanted to write something scandalous, or to get a bunch of hits on his article. With the ensuing controversy, believe me, if he'd recorded the interview (as most journalists do) that tape would have found its way to YouTube or somewhere.
Channing says she actually said, "You know what the Bible says about that? NOTHING!" which sounds just like her.
Somehow, these people who think she doesn't like the gays have missed the articles where she does a benefit for an AIDS hospice (Maitri in San Francisco), or where Jerry Herman, Lee Roy Reams, her publicist, any of the retinue of gay men who have always been around her rave about how wonderful she's been to them and is like family.
This past year she did GYPSY OF THE YEAR, a benefit for Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS. Do you know other 90 year olds who do AIDS benefits?
Given her generation, the number of gay charities she's supported through uncompensated benefit performances over the past three decades, and her personal kindness to me (yes, I'm one of those who is obviously gay) I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||02/13/2011|
I love R32.%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 39||02/13/2011|
R38 Thank you. %0D %0D Like her or not, Miss Channing is on our side. Not many 80 something year old women (at the time) would show up and volunteer to be the hostess for the WeHo Gay Pride festival.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||06/02/2011|
She should have done it....would have saved us the pain of seeing that awful revival she did in the 90's .... besides, she could never have held that last note in Parade Passes By.....what is it like 30 seconds?...and they wanted a white woman for the part
|by Anonymous||reply 43||06/02/2011|
I know exactly how she felt. I once thought of jumping out the second story window of a Holiday Inn in Columbus.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||06/02/2011|
If she contemplated suicide after learning Babs was cast, how the fuck did she feel after she saw the movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||06/02/2011|
"I know she's a straight woman, but..."%0D %0D LOL!
|by Anonymous||reply 47||06/02/2011|
Scorn? How can I eat scorn?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||06/02/2011|
Barbra was the movie! I saw Carol in the stage version, and she was fabulous. But Streisand was great on film.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||06/02/2011|
We are sorry Miss Channing but apparently the parade has indeed passed you by.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||06/02/2011|
I've played Lorelei and I've done Modern Millie, But Dolly is a girl's best friend! I've done several flops, but you can't call me bitter! Though my whole career is messy as my lipstick smear... Roles are few and far between, And talk shows I don't recommend! But why should I grieve? I can play Dolly Levi! Dolly is a girl's best friend. So, who needs Sondheim? Dolly is a girl's best friend!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 51||06/02/2011|
^ LOL, but I thought it started, "I've been on [italic]The Love Boat[/italic] and sold kitty litter ..."
|by Anonymous||reply 52||06/02/2011|
Oh, I douche and douche for hours Till my asshole smells like flowers And my rectum's stretched and worn But I try to be cheerful Even though I've got an earful -- I just can't stop shitting corn!
|by Anonymous||reply 53||06/02/2011|
You're right [R52]. I got the lyrics mixed up. It goes something like "I've played Lorelei and I've done Modern Millie, but Dolly is a girl's best friend. And once I did Shaw, but I looked awfully silly...". The next verse goes "I've hosted awards and I've sold kitty litter, but Dolly is a girl's best friend.."
|by Anonymous||reply 54||06/02/2011|
Of course I am a fan of Barbra- the Dolly movie is one big messy campfest and a total showcase for Barbra's over the top talent. She is constantly winking at the audience throughout and she sings the shit out of the songs. I thought she was like watching a human fire engine or a jumbo jet taking off- although at times the quality of her voice is so good its kind of scary. %0D %0D Shirley Booth did the talkie movie "The Matchmaker" with Anthony Perkins as the Cornelius character. Wonder if she contemplated suicide losing the role to Carol or to Barbra? Wonder if Tony Perkins wwa upset. He was adorable in the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||06/02/2011|
I understand Babs is also going to make the films of Spring Awakening and Priscilla as well (as Bernadette). Y'know - I might actually want to see the latter.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||06/02/2011|
[quote]Shirley Booth did the talkie movie "The Matchmaker" %0D %0D Thanks for confirming your age for us, charlie.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||06/02/2011|
[quote]Shirley Booth did the talkie movie "The Matchmaker"
Ruth Gordon originated the role on Broadway! That I would have loved to see.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||06/02/2011|
I get all the film versions, bitches. Channing, LuPone and Barbara Harris are just jealous because "I'm The Greatest Star." And Glenn and Madonna had better be grateful that I passed on Sunset Boulevard and Evita so they could finally get some work.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||06/02/2011|
I think he meant "talky."%0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 60||06/02/2011|
"Channing has never admitted publicly(as far as I know) that the original Broadway "Hello, Dolly" was offered to three or four other stars before they called her.
But we are supposed to believe that she was going to jump out a window when Streisand got the film role. I don't think so."
What does one thing have to do with the other?
|by Anonymous||reply 61||11/20/2011|
Dear r59 Barbra, which of my roles did you do on film? I must have missed that. It certainly wasn't Evita as you are not Madonna. It wasn't Sunset Boulevard because you will never do that. And it certainly wasn't Les Mis because last time I checked you are not Annie Hathaway.
Oh, wait.... are you talking about that Great Gramma Rose you are supposed to do that the whole world is laughing about?
|by Anonymous||reply 62||11/20/2011|
Patti acting as if she is more accomplished than Barbra in the movies is the funniest post ever. We all remember PLP's withered tits onscreen.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||11/20/2011|
Carol understood that Barbra considered getting that movie role as revenge for the Tonys. Fortunately she got over that particular period (see link)
|by Anonymous||reply 64||11/20/2011|
Other take the female drag queen farther (see link). Such as Miss Eartha Kitt.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||11/20/2011|
Debbie Reynold's would have been good.
Or Barbra lip-synching for Liz Taylor.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||11/20/2011|
I love Carol. The revivals were indeed great. Carol must be delightful dinner company - she has been a guest of the Kennedys, the Johnsons, the Windsors, etc. Thing is her act is so broad its best on stage, in theaters it can be... startling.
Funny true story - Carol brings her own food wherever she goes. She even took her own food to Hyannis Port! She still does to this day.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||11/20/2011|
Regardless of anyone's opinion, Hollywood ALWAYS goes only for who is perceived of being a potential star. In the 1960s there were two gigantic female stars only - Julie Andrews and Barbra Streisand and both followed similar trajectories, basically, after sensational Broadway turns, they were courted by Holywood studios. Before any movie opened with Julie, she had already filmed Mary Poppins, Americanization of Emily and Sound of Music back to back. By the time her first movie opened, she was considered a huge star,and the 3 films proved it. Same happened with Streisand. Before any of her movies opened, she had filmed Funny Girl, Hello Dolly and On a Clear Day....all studios were betting on her, YEARS before she made it. This happens frequently in Hollywood (always). Studios place their gets in new talent YAERS before the public endorses them. Colin Farrell recently was collecting $8 million per film as his first hit opened (Mission Impossible, a supporting role along Tom Cruise - and soon he was bigger then Cruise. So Chaning was the right age and would be a more adequate Dolly, but Hollywood never hires old broads. Joan Crawford and Bette Davis struggled to get a Baby Jane out. Female stars always have trouble past 40.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||09/24/2013|
Explain how Lucille Ball was able to get the film role of 'Mame' from poor me...
|by Anonymous||reply 69||09/24/2013|
Hello Dolly was originally written for Ethel Merman but she turned it down. years later at the very end she was the last dolly on Broadway, before the revivals started.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||09/24/2013|
"Hello Dolly was originally written for Ethel Merman but she turned it down."
Mary Martin was also courted for the role. They may have also considered Betty Garrett before giving it to Channing.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||09/24/2013|
Mary Martin was a shitty actress
|by Anonymous||reply 72||09/24/2013|
That may be, R72, but Mary Martin was undeniably a huge star beloved by millions.
I read a convincing opinion somewhere from someone who had seen all the major Dollies of the 60s and he proclaimed Martin the best. I can see Mary holding her own by playing coy rather than outrageous like Carol. She probably had more "oomph"' than many of Channing successors in NY. With the exception of Merman, none of the other Broadway stars of Dolly! invested anywhere near the time Martin had spent honing her craft in front of live audiences.
Her voice is husky and a little run-down on the London Cast Album, but you can hear her play the part well through the songs. Everyone on that album does a creditable job. It's worth seeking out.
And I still say 20th Century Fox made a major blunder when they failed to hire their own Superstar of the 40s, Betty Grable, to come back and make a major motion picture musical about a faded, middle-aged woman who cut a swell figure in days gone by. They could have had a classic if they had stuck to the perfectly reasonable demands of the original story, in which the young lovers are young while the leading lady is middle-aged and alone, which brings poignancy and purpose to her machinations.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||09/25/2013|
[quote] Debbie Reynold's would have been good.
Debbie Reynold's WHAT would have been good?
|by Anonymous||reply 74||09/25/2013|
Lucille Ball was very wealthy at the time and always. Lucy financed Mame with an $8 million budget. She put up $5 million of her own money, roughly 60% of the budget was guaranteed by Lucy, so she could get her role. That is how an old broad lands a role in a Hollywood musical. Nobody hires old broads for a musical in Hollywood, except when you finance it yourself.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||09/25/2013|