How harmful is this?
Smoking Two Packs of Cigarettes a Week
|by Anonymous||reply 99||August 1, 2013 3:26 PM|
Less harmful than smoking 2 packs a day.
|by Anonymous||reply 1||January 28, 2011 5:10 AM|
Cigarette are poisonous, and each cigarette contains 4000 different chemicals, a good number of which are toxic and/or carcinogenic.%0D %0D See the harmful effects at link below.%0D %0D Smoking can cause respiratory diseases including emphysema and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.%0D %0D Smoking can cause heart disease including arteriosclerosis, heart attacks, and strokes.%0D %0D Smoking can cause various types of cancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||January 28, 2011 5:16 AM|
[quote]Smoking can cause%0D %0D Why does it not say "Smoking WILL cause..."?
|by Anonymous||reply 3||January 28, 2011 5:19 AM|
I don't understand why people still smoke, and that includes celebrities. It was one thing 50 years ago when people didn't know the risks. But now people do know the risks, and several famous people (eg. Patrick Swayze, Yul Brynner etc.) have died from it. That should send a message.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||January 28, 2011 5:19 AM|
What is that, 6 cigarettes a day? While it's obviously bad for you, it's certainly not like you have a constant stream of tar going into your lungs.
I'm down to two cigarettes a day: one after my morning coffee and one sometime in the evening.
I want to quit by my birthday in May (I'll be 27.)
|by Anonymous||reply 5||January 28, 2011 5:20 AM|
Winstons are only tobacco. How much does this change the equation?
|by Anonymous||reply 6||January 28, 2011 5:20 AM|
But is there a safer level? As in the adage "Moderation in all things."
|by Anonymous||reply 7||January 28, 2011 5:26 AM|
My brother is a life-long smoker. He started at age 14 and is now 59.%0D %0D He has COPD from smoking - chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It will get harder and harder for him to breathe. And then the next step is 24/7 hook up to an oxygen tank. And then pretty much smothering to death.%0D %0D My mother, a life-long smoker from age 19 to age 60, died from lung cancer at age 84 from smothering to death and organs filling up with fluid. At least she had a long life.%0D %0D My brother might not have a very long life span.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||January 28, 2011 5:26 AM|
[quote]Winstons are only tobacco. How much does this change the equation?%0D %0D It's still tobacco. All-natural tobacco cigs like Winston and American Spirits aren't any better for you than the chemical-soaked cigs like Marlboro and Camel. Also, low-tar cigs like lights and ultra lights are not any safer than regular full-flavor or unfiltered cigs. It's all a racket by the tobacco companies to convince people certain brands are "safer" than others. It's not true at all.%0D %0D I'm also a smoker and would like to quit, but it's damn near impossible. I hate how smug people who have never smoked can get. They think you can just stop overnight, but most people can't. Tobacco is the most addictive drug in the world, worse than opiates or alcohol.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||January 28, 2011 5:32 AM|
[quote]All-natural tobacco cigs like Winston and American Spirits aren't any better for you than the chemical-soaked cigs like Marlboro and Camel.%0D %0D Who thinks cigarettes are good for you at all? The question is are chemical soaked cigarettes worse for you than all natural smokes?
|by Anonymous||reply 10||January 28, 2011 5:37 AM|
What's so addictive about it, R9?
|by Anonymous||reply 11||January 28, 2011 5:41 AM|
Is it common to acquire a habit of not being able to jerk off without puffing on a cigarette?
|by Anonymous||reply 12||January 28, 2011 5:53 AM|
Smoiking any amount of cigarettes is stupid. I smoke for ten years then quit cold turkey with no problems. Smoking was not only stupid, but today would be ridiculously expensive. When I quit, I couild buy cigarettes for $2.25 a carton. Yes, I am an old--but wiser--geezer.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||January 28, 2011 6:54 AM|
[quote]Tobacco is the most addictive drug in the world, worse than opiates or alcohol.
I smoked for many years and then quit cold turkey. It was tough -- it hadn't been my first attempt either -- but honestly, it's been much harder for me to lose that extra 20 lbs.
Nobody needs tobacco, alcohol, or drugs. But you need food.
|by Anonymous||reply 14||January 28, 2011 7:12 AM|
2 packs a week is substantial.%0D %0D Look, there really is no safe level of cigarette smoking. Every cigarette impacts your health, you're drawing smoke and poisons into your lungs and bloodstream.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||January 28, 2011 7:16 AM|
There is no safe level.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||January 28, 2011 7:40 AM|
R13-R16 make good points
|by Anonymous||reply 17||January 28, 2011 8:23 AM|
Thanks everyone. I've taken your advice to heart.
|by Anonymous||reply 18||January 29, 2011 11:03 AM|
[quote] My mother, a life-long smoker from age 19 to age 60, died from lung cancer at age 84 from smothering to death and organs filling up with fluid. At least she had a long life.%0D %0D Um, that's longer than the average life expectancy of your typical American female.%0D %0D What people don't fucking get, is that your life is based on HEREDITY, and not things like smoking and drinking.%0D %0D There are smokers and drunks who live well into their 90's, and there are people who never touched either, who die of cancer or heart disease in their 50's.%0D %0D Your life span is determined by heredity. PERIOD.%0D %0D The PC know-it-alls would love for us to believe that they have the answer to life, and that they can predict when people will die, but the truth is that THEY DON'T.%0D %0D So don't listen to them.%0D %0D Do what makes you happy. This is a free country, and you have the right to live your life the way you want to.%0D %0D THE END.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||January 29, 2011 11:36 AM|
[quote] Your life span is determined by heredity. PERIOD.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||January 29, 2011 11:44 AM|
"Now, I'm a fella with a heart of gold..%0D And the ways of a gentleman, I've been told...%0D The kind of fella who wouldn't even harm a flea.%0D %0D But if I and a certain character met, the guy who invented the cigarette, I'd murder that son of a gun in the first degree.%0D %0D Smoke, smoke, smoke that cigarette...smoke, smoke, smoke 'til you smoke yourself to death.%0D %0D Tell St. Peter at the golden gate that you hate to make him wait....but you just gotta have another cigarette."%0D %0D Thanks, Tex Williams.
|by Anonymous||reply 21||January 29, 2011 11:47 AM|
[quote] Bullshit.%0D %0D It's 100% true. External factors like smoking and alcohol might shorten your life by maybe months or even a few years, but in general, your lifespan is determined by your GENES.%0D %0D I have know crackheads and meth addicts who have lived well into their 60's. Alcoholics into their 80's and 90's. Same for smokers.%0D %0D Could you please explain, if smoking is the death sentence that you claim it is, why these people live so long, given their bad habits?%0D %0D GENES AND HEREDITY.%0D %0D I know it's not PC to say so, but it's the truth.%0D %0D If you have shit genes, and your family was prone to cancer and heart attacks in their 40's, then that's what you inherited.%0D %0D It sucks, but that's what it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||January 29, 2011 11:52 AM|
By the way, R20, the American Medical, Pharma, and "health" industry has sold the American people a faulty "bill of goods."%0D %0D They posture themselves as the know all, be all, end all authorities on health.%0D %0D Pop a pill, take a xanax, oxy, or some other opiate, and you'll be all better!%0D %0D Aspirin, acetomenophin, cures for restless leg syndrome, fibromyalgia, or whatever else ails you - you got it, we can fix it!%0D %0D Americans put way too much stock into their healthcare industry. It is an INDUSTRY for good reason. To make money for the pharmaceutical industry and corporate HMO's.%0D %0D They figure that by "protecting" you from tobacco, alcohol, and other "bad" things, they have earned your trust.%0D %0D Then they can kill you with their various drug cocktails and health insurance policies.%0D %0D Oh, but if you don't have health insurance, sorry but we can't help you! You're on your own!%0D %0D You people are sheep being led to the slaughter by your so-called "healthcare providers."%0D %0D Open your fucking eyes, and see what's going on. Maybe then you'll have a cigarette and a shot of whiskey, and tell the pharmaceutical industry to go fuck themselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||January 29, 2011 12:07 PM|
[quote] Could you please explain, if smoking is the death sentence that you claim it is,
I didn't make that claim. But my Mom died from lung cancer at 69, but she'd been terminal for a long while, and both her parents lived to a decent old age. It was 100% due to cigarettes.
Genetics matter, but lifestyle has a profound impact on longevity. Your behavior can actually switch genes on and off. Plus, you're already backing away from your claim.
Also, I don't know why you keep bringing up political correctness, that has nothing to do with this whatsoever.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||January 29, 2011 12:11 PM|
I take back everything I said. You're just a fucking lunatic.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||January 29, 2011 12:12 PM|
I miss smoking.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||January 29, 2011 12:30 PM|
[quote] I miss smoking.%0D %0D Honey, this world is doomed anyway. We can't predict the future.%0D %0D As my old college professor used to say, "smoke 'em if you got 'em."
|by Anonymous||reply 27||January 29, 2011 12:39 PM|
I've never smoked - I always think it looks trashy and it is usually poor people I see smoking - poor or low class.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||January 29, 2011 12:40 PM|
[quote] I've never smoked - I always think it looks trashy and it is usually poor people I see smoking - poor or low class.%0D %0D Good attempt at Psych 101, R28.
|by Anonymous||reply 29||January 29, 2011 12:46 PM|
That's as good a reason as any, R28. You're shallow, but at least you're not addicted to tobacco.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||January 29, 2011 12:46 PM|
R19:%0D %0D Always good to hear from the Reynolds Corporation. %0D %0D %0D (I've spent years watching alchohol-related cirrhosis kill my mother, first by taking her dignity, then her intelligence, and now her body. If you have an addiction, battle it with all your power--unlike my mother, I've quit drinking. I might die younger--who knows--but I'll die still having the respect and love of my family.)
|by Anonymous||reply 31||January 29, 2011 12:56 PM|
According to Cancer Research UK, even smoking 1-4 cigarettes a day triples the chance of getting cancer or heart disease compared to a non-smoker, and although eating lots of vegetables reduces the risk, it doesn't cancel it out. Of course the 1-4 cigs is probably a self-report and these people may actually be smoking 4-6 cigs a day, so if you smoked 2 a day MAYBE your risk is only doubled or even less.
|by Anonymous||reply 32||January 29, 2011 1:02 PM|
R32's boring stats are raising my stress level. I think I need a cigarette.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||January 29, 2011 1:04 PM|
Anyone remember this?
|by Anonymous||reply 34||January 29, 2011 1:11 PM|
I see the crazy train made a stop on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||January 29, 2011 1:17 PM|
I'm an alcoholic who loves the invention of Xanax.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||January 29, 2011 3:02 PM|
I'm back with more boring stats. This is the actual study, which sounds as if the risks aren't too bad. Apparently if you are a middle-aged Norwegian smoking a few cigarettes a day, your risk of dying in the next 25 years is a bit higher (1.5 x) than if you never smoked.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||January 29, 2011 3:13 PM|
[quote] What people don't fucking get, is that your life is based on HEREDITY, and not things like smoking and drinking.%0D %0D Not entirely; but it mostly is. My dad died of lung cancer at 66. His 88 year old sister still smokes and is as spry as ever. Their mother died at 82, still a smoker. She refused to have heart surgery and said, "It's time to go." %0D %0D I used to think my paternal grandmother walked slowly and like a crab because that was just her. Turns out it was arthritis, and now I have it.%0D %0D My mother's family has gastrointestinal problems on both her mother and father's side and her family has big time PAD. My mother now has PAD, her brothers who never smoked have PAD. She and all of her sibs have had stomach ulcers and diverticulitis (4 of them needed temporary colostomies). I had ulcers in my 20s and now no longer have the problem thanks to pepcid and prilosec.%0D %0D My paternal grandmother had gallbladder problems. I don't, but my two female cousins had to have their gallbladders removed. Neither was fat or forty at the time.%0D %0D As I get older, I am horrified at the diseases I see popping up in myself and my family members. We ate better, we stopped smoking decades ago, we are active and exercise far more than our grandparents did and we are still coming down with the same diseases they had.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||January 29, 2011 3:28 PM|
I quit December 7- cold turkey. It's been hard though I have made a promise to myself to never light up again. I also made a commitment to not cross addict to gum, patch, etc. While it's been difficult, it has been a rewarding accomplishment.
My mantra: don't try, just do. You pack your own chute, lol.
Last night I had a cig dream: my friend handed me a cig from the back seat (I'm driving), I put it in my mouth, thought better of the idea and handed it back.
It can be done.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||January 29, 2011 3:30 PM|
[quote]Do what makes you happy. This is a free country, and you have the right to live your life the way you want to.%0D %0D Exactly, and don't let the shrieking harpies grind you down.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||January 29, 2011 3:37 PM|
Congratulations r39. How much had you smoked when you quit?
For the smokers, remember that every penny you spend is funding the most rightwing, hateful elements in the country. Knowing that helped me to quit.
The tobacco companies are evil. For the winston smoker claiming it's 'just tobacco', who told you that? The tobacco companies? They lied to congress. They've been busted for adding chemicals like ammonia that makes addiction quicker and more effective. The worst lies are American Spirits. They give away cartons of them (check Wired magazine for ads) in order to get you addicted.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||January 29, 2011 3:38 PM|
I can smoke a pack of cigarretes in about 4 hours.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||January 29, 2011 3:40 PM|
Little Known Fact: You're gonna fucking die. End. Period. All Over. One way or another.
|by Anonymous||reply 43||January 29, 2011 3:48 PM|
R41, between a pack, pack and a half. Thanks for your encouragement.
I picked up smoking heavily during a major crisis in my life 5-6 years ago. Before then I could always "socially smoke" and enjoyed it. I swear big tobacco are using additives that promote (more then before) addiction. I was (and still am to a degree) profoundly addicted to cigarettes/nicotine and what ever else they add.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||January 29, 2011 3:48 PM|
tobacco is nasty weed
And from the devil it proceeds
It stains your fingers and burns your clothes
And makes a chimney of your nose.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||January 29, 2011 3:52 PM|
My uncle, married to my aunt smoked 3/4 packs a day. Last year he had a vocal cord removed and stopped, he's apparently ok. He was the type that woke up at night to smoke. This went along for 50 years or more. He's 78.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||January 29, 2011 3:58 PM|
There really is no science to it. Some smokers get lung cancer in their 50's, and others live to old age. The problem is you don't know which one you're going to be.%0D %0D My great-grandmother smoked like a chimney - unfiltered cigarettes - and lived to be 91.%0D %0D It's a total crap shoot.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||January 29, 2011 5:18 PM|
There is the fact they stink and are exorbitantly expensive, r47.
|by Anonymous||reply 48||January 29, 2011 5:24 PM|
[quote] Little Known Fact: You're gonna fucking die. End. Period. All Over. One way or another.
Another little known fact: Lung cancer is a horrible way to go.
|by Anonymous||reply 49||January 29, 2011 5:27 PM|
[quote]Another little known fact: Lung cancer is a horrible way to go.%0D %0D Another little known fact: Harping about lung cancer and other tobacco related diseases hasn't lowered the smoking rate. Making it socially unacceptable and expensive has.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||January 29, 2011 5:45 PM|
So what R50? It's still a horrible way to die, that you can largely avoid by not smoking. Your comment really has nothing to do with my post that you quoted.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||January 29, 2011 5:51 PM|
Just quoting facts, R51. Don't like them? Tough.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||January 29, 2011 5:55 PM|
Part of what has made it socially unacceptable ARE the smoking-related diseases. So I don't know what special point r50 thinks he's making.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||January 29, 2011 6:00 PM|
[quote]Another little known fact: Lung cancer is a horrible way to go.
Tell me about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||January 29, 2011 6:02 PM|
Dude, the "facts" you posted in rebuttal have nothing to do with the post you're replying to. I made no comment at all about the social status of smokers, you're going off on a completely unrelated tangent.
R43: Everyone has to die.
Me: Yes, everyone has to die, but lung cancer is nasty and mostly avoidable.
You: Saying scary things about cigarettes didn't get people to quit.
You: Those are the facts!
Me: Again, so?
|by Anonymous||reply 55||January 29, 2011 6:06 PM|
[quote]Part of what has made it socially unacceptable ARE the smoking-related diseases.%0D %0D I think what makes it socially unacceptable is that it stinks and burns the eyes and nose. Few people are rejected socially because they have cancer in the way they are rejected when they stink or pollute the air around them.%0D %0D I think R49/51 just took exception to R50's post because of the thing about "harping." But it's true. Written and verbal warnings did almost nothing to reduce the numbers of people who took up smoking. It wasn't until bans on smoking in most buildings/restaurants/bars came into being that the percentage of the population who smoked really began to go down. Higher tobacco taxes reinforced that, and empowered by these smoking bans, non-smokers reinforced the marginalization of smokers by letting their opposition to being around that stench be heard. %0D %0D
|by Anonymous||reply 56||January 29, 2011 6:11 PM|
My friend who is addicted to cigars does not care about the harmful health effects.%0D %0D His only complaint and worry is the expense!%0D %0D I try to get him thinking about quitting, and the only thing that makes him consider quitting is the expense.%0D %0D The cardiovasculat disease, the respiratory diseases, the circulatory problems, and the possible cancers including tonque, throat, and esophogeal cancers do not worry nor phase him.%0D %0D The cigar smoking has greatly impacted his face - his face looks terrible.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||January 29, 2011 6:24 PM|
"How harmful is this?"%0D %0D Suck on a car's exhaust pipe twice a week and see how it compares. You could save yourself a lot of money.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||January 29, 2011 6:31 PM|
It's a crap shoot whether you will get lung cancer or not, but it is not a crap shoot that smoking effects your health negatively every time. I think it creeps up slowly for most smokers so they don't realise what feeling or being healthy is after awhile.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||January 29, 2011 8:09 PM|
The emphasis on lung cancer is just a small part of the story.%0D %0D Smoking negatively affects your cardiovascular system giving you narrowing of the arteies, circulatory problems, heart attacks, and strokes.%0D %0D Plus it ages you.%0D %0D Smoking also can cause respiratory disease including emphysema and COPD (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) %0D %0D If you want to see the horror of dying from emphysema think Johnny Carson at the end of his life blown up to four times his normal size and unable to breathe. If you've seen people around who are on oxygen tanks 24/7, they have emphysema or COPD or lung cancer.%0D %0D Plus smoking does not cause just lung cancer - it causes pancreatic cancer, throat, tongue, and esophogeal cancers, along with other types of cancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||January 29, 2011 8:19 PM|
My favorite disease that one can get from smoking is Buerger's Disease. Warning: very graphic video.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||January 29, 2011 8:43 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 62||January 29, 2011 8:48 PM|
[quote]If you want to see the horror of dying from emphysema think Johnny Carson at the end of his life blown up to four times his normal size%0D %0D Emphysema makes you giant?
|by Anonymous||reply 63||January 29, 2011 9:00 PM|
R37, not that harmful? "In both sexes, smoking 1-4 cigarettes per day was associated with a significantly higher risk of dying from ischaemic heart disease and from all causes, and from lung cancer in women. Smoking control policymakers and health educators should emphasise more strongly that light smokers also endanger their health."
There are types of lung cancer caused by smoking. It is true that it also comes done to genes. But if you don't smoke, you'll not get that type of lung cancer, there are other types.
And off course everyone has the right to live his own life, but when I meet a smoker with a smoking-related disease, my reaction is: told you so, it's your own fault.
Smoking is addicting because of nicotine.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||January 29, 2011 9:08 PM|
My mom died of lung cancer at 60 and never smoked a cigarette in her life. She didn't have any of the risk factors. I'll probably follow in her footsteps.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||January 29, 2011 9:19 PM|
R65 Not all types of lung cancer are caused by smoking, although most them are. Are there other family members who had it?
|by Anonymous||reply 66||January 29, 2011 9:28 PM|
Be careful about believing medical advice from DLers. Their hearts are often in the right place, but their understanding of biology, statistics, and medicine is terribly lacking. Unless you're talking about psychiatric meds.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||January 29, 2011 9:38 PM|
R67 Haha you're probably right. But as a medical student, I can say, smoking is really bad for you health, don't do it.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||January 30, 2011 6:49 AM|
Even Sherlock Holmes is on nicotine patches.
"Impossible to sustain a smoking habit in London these days."
|by Anonymous||reply 69||January 30, 2011 8:39 AM|
R19, heredity involves genes. If you have a genetic predisposition for something, avoiding risks connected to that will extend your life.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||January 30, 2011 1:39 PM|
I interned in respiratory unit in a hospital and I still haven't quit. Its hard.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||January 30, 2011 5:21 PM|
Interesting post, R41.
Thanks for the info.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||January 31, 2011 5:57 AM|
Great stuff, even the rude comments. Some say certain people are more prone to being alcoholic than others, so why would not the same rule apply to smoking cigarettes? Because it is not true. It is in the head. My grandfather lived to 92 and smoked cigars until his final days. Go figure. My dad smoked cigs but quit a number of years ago. I did not start smoking until age 42, and now still do, up to 2 packs a week, 1/2 cig at most per sitting. I realize it is nicotine, but truly do not buy into it in all cases. Some will say it is all just a habit, and that companies and doctors love to sell the addiction theory because it pulls in bucks. These things CAN be done..there is no such thing as "I Can't", unless one believes it.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||March 21, 2012 10:30 AM|
We can all think of people who lived a long time with bad habits. We tend to forget all the friends who had health problems from smoking, drinking, or other drugs and either died early or had compromised health from their drug use.
That's the way memory works if what you want to do with your life is to do what you ever you want and damn the consequences.
Everything comes down to genes? They play part, this is true. But you can turn that argument on its head.
Maybe the 90 year old person who smoked all his life got the lucky genes that offered some protection from smoking.
Most people aren't going to hit the genetic jackpot, and they are going to die earlier than they had to because they smoked, and they are going to have compromised their health along the way. They are going to feel worse along the way.
Those statistics are in. That argument was settled a long time ago.
I have no idea what you are trying to say, but the susceptibility to addiction does seem to vary from person to person. People who become addicted to one substance find developing cross-addiction and substitution of difference addictive chemicals an easy step to take.
Some people can be casual users and some can't.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||March 21, 2012 12:33 PM|
The person who said everyone is going to die is right.
I never get people who judge people so fiercely and loudly for smoking. Yes, they know it is bad for them and they would be much healthier if they quit.
But everyone should be free to live their life how they want, if they want to smoke, let them.
|by Anonymous||reply 75||March 21, 2012 2:56 PM|
r75, I think it's reasonable to question why anyone would deliberately chose to start such a destructive, anti-social, expensive, unnecessary habit.
The risks are well known.
Yes, everyone dies from something. And nobody is stopping them from doing it, but those who chose to smoke are choosing a particularly repulsive form of slow-acting suicide for the sake of a nicotine hit, so if I want to call them stupid assholes for doing so, don't stop me.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||March 21, 2012 3:12 PM|
None of us are free to arrange our lives just the way we want. Human beings are social animals, which means we live a life that mixes personal pleasure and group responsibility.
When we let people smoke we let them become addicted to a chemical. To satisfy that addiction, people turn over a significant part of their wages which become profits for people who invest in tobacco companies.
That addiction process in turn creates enormous health problems that someone has to pay for. Who has to pay for it? Not the investing class, that's for sure.
The major investors in tobacco companies are members of the same economic class that fights socialized medicine tooth and nail because their class also owns the private health-care industry.
If we are going to let corporations make billions for a small group of investors by selling products that kill people, we should be able to demand those investors stand aside while we build a health-care system that takes care of everyone and then send them the bill.
That's the overall picture.
As far as getting personal with invectives? That's not my style, maybe because I know first hand the overwhelming nature of addiction. But there are many people who have stopped smoking because people around them called them out on it repeatedly and not in very nice ways.
If somebody makes you so uncomfortable through rudeness that eventually it is not worth the effort and you quit, you are ahead of the game.
You will be a lot more uncomfortable, believe me, if you die of emphysema or cancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||March 21, 2012 3:47 PM|
You're all idiots. Smoking 1 cigarette a week vs 1 pack a week vs 1 carton a week. It doesn't matter. It's all luck. Science geeks prepare to whack off! I've known non smokers who've had lung cancer from second hand smoke and MANY old european men who've had cancer in their 70's after smoking for 40 years. Does it matter? Sure. Don't smoke. But if you do, don't bother with counting. It's all the same shit. And to the anti smoke fiends, you probably will die in a car accident tomorrow. So get off your high horse. Nobody hates non smokers more than queens who drink. Alcohol = #1 killer. Remember that.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||March 21, 2012 4:39 PM|
Smoking causes loss of anal sphincter control which leads to fisting with gay men who like to do the impossible.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||March 21, 2012 4:57 PM|
It's probably good for you, OP.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||March 21, 2012 5:02 PM|
[quote]If somebody makes you so uncomfortable through rudeness that eventually it is not worth the effort and you quit, you are ahead of the game.
So r78 is saying, I'm going to be rude and obnoxious and insult you repeatedly for your own good?
|by Anonymous||reply 81||March 22, 2012 12:07 AM|
Is OP still alive?
|by Anonymous||reply 82||March 22, 2012 12:20 AM|
I don't understand the non-smoking agenda. If smoking brings people pleasure then why should they stop. Yes- it may shorten their lives but it also may not shorten their lives. I've known many a smoker who lead very active and healthy lives (eating week, exercising regularly, etc.) and they are in their late 60s/early 70s. We only get one life....if smoking is enjoyable, why stop? We're all going to die. Even the sanctimonious non-smokers.
|by Anonymous||reply 83||March 22, 2012 12:23 AM|
I can explain the non-smoking agenda for you. Smoking costs society lots and lots of money. Why should the rest of us pay for your vice? If smokers were willing to sign over their rights to receive gov't-subsidized health care or participate in group plans, I'd be okay with it, assuming they kept it away from me.
|by Anonymous||reply 84||March 22, 2012 1:52 AM|
Nat Sherman cigarettes are expensive but rather natural and worth the cost because they burn longer.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||March 22, 2012 2:24 AM|
Rampant unprotected sex costs many more millions in disease, medication for disease, abortions, etc. Why should I have to support your whorey lifestyle?
|by Anonymous||reply 86||March 22, 2012 2:25 AM|
Um, r86, people are provided with the same information re protecting themselves from their whorey lifestyles as they are re protecting themselves from smoking related illness. Whether they change their ways due to that information is up to them. I don't get why some people jump up and down about "PC" anti-smoking bullies when all they are doing is sharing widely agreed information about the consequences of smoking.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||March 22, 2012 2:41 AM|
The reason the smokers get upset is because everyone knows someone or has heard the story of old Uncle Frank who smoked two packs a day till he was 94 as well as people who never smoked getting lung cancer. This happens. A lot of people on this board had mothers who smoked through her pregnancies and nothing major happened. Also, if you drink and drive I consider you a much bigger threat to me than I am to you, and I'm waiting for the dead bodies on the scotch bottles, and the little girls crushed in their car seats from "second-hand drunk driving" on cans of Bud Lite. I guess the booze lobby is stronger than the tobacco lobby.
So far, I'm one of the lucky ones. I've smoked for a long time and enjoy it. A half pack to a pack a day for over 30 years. I get stress tests and have 98% lung function and no heart problems. But I figure all this smoking will get me in my late 60s, early 70s.
It's a crapshoot.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||March 22, 2012 2:57 AM|
AS long as you've enjoyed your life, r88 who give a shit what the anti-smoking nazis have to say. Their arguments are truly absurd.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||March 22, 2012 2:59 AM|
As long as you're enjoying your habit outside, away from public parks and doorways and sidewalks where non-addicted people are, it's your choice. You have no right to force others to share your habit, however.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||March 22, 2012 3:03 AM|
Public space is public space, r90. Fuck off.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||March 22, 2012 3:06 AM|
How harmful? You're ingesting unnecessary chemicals. Do you really think that just because you're ingesting a little less of these chemicals that they won't have some effect on your body? People die every day from cancer caused by secondhand smoke alone. You're not mitigating the damage you're doing to your body by smoking less. You have to quit smoking altogether.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||March 22, 2012 3:09 AM|
It really is absurd how hysterical people get. I ride my bike to work. I don't want to inhale the exhaust fumes for those people who chose to drive, but guess what, I do.
Sorry you might catch a whiff from someone smoking on a sidewalk. Get over it.
It is fine wishing that people didn't smoke, I get it, but the laughable shrieking hysteria on evidence in this thread is so hilarious to me.
So what, some people smoke, if that is what they want to do then fine for them.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||March 22, 2012 3:31 AM|
I would have been on the opposite side of this debate a little over a year ago. I quit after 20 years, and am still occasionally around smokers.
I am surprised how little change there has been to my taste buds. I was told I would taste things again, so much differently. I am surprised that I still have that weird smoker's phleghm, after all this time.
I don't miss smoking, mostly. In certain social circles I do, but mainly---wow. The smell wafting off a smoker? Never really realized it. If you are dealing with the public in any circumstance that affects your pay? I suggest you don't smoke during business hours ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||March 22, 2012 3:37 AM|
If somkers continuly smoke, knowing the side effects, why is it that they still fo it? Cigarettes kill a lot of people, aong with alcohol, so why is it legal? As opposed to bud, where it has statistically killed nobody? What can I and others who think the same way do about this?
|by Anonymous||reply 95||August 1, 2013 8:40 AM|
I have three great aunts, my grandmother's sisters. My grandmother and all but one of her sisters smoked all their lives. All but the non smoker lived well into their late 80's. the non smoking sister died of lung cancer in her 70's.
Weird, but true.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||August 1, 2013 9:24 AM|
This thread is full of wishful thinking and remarkably devoid of actual data.
Cigarette smoking causes cancer, lung disease, and heart disease. It drastically reduces the lifespans of people who engage in it for any length of time and it dramatically worsens the quality of life for many people before they die. None of this is remotely arguable. There are reams of data spanning decades that have proven this over and over again, without fail.
Oh, and the warnings on packages drastically reduced the number of smokers and the amount of cigarettes sold. Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't mean it's not true.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||August 1, 2013 10:39 AM|
And it's hilarious that the smokers are all "Who cares? Don't listen to the PC anti-smoking crowd!" in a thread specifically written to ask people their thought on how harmful smoking is. You dirty little addicts can't even bear to hear a word of truth on the matter before you get all bent out of shape.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||August 1, 2013 10:42 AM|
My 84 year-old grandmother still smokes filterless Pall Malls.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||August 1, 2013 3:26 PM|