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Event Date: Feb. 5, 2011, 8-10pm%0D %0D %0D Description: Meet guys who are manly in appearance and interests. Get into four discussion groups about what masculinity means to you, and the kind of masculinity you seek, then meet guys one-on-one in a free mingling period. Finally, write a list of the men you want to date, and minutes later you find out your mutual matches. %0D %0D %0D I know I'll be there!%0D %0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 31803/13/2015

How exhausting.

by Anonymousreply 101/23/2011

I find some gay men have a warped view of what's masculine. If your wrist is limp you're not masculine.

by Anonymousreply 201/23/2011

Bleeech.... Butch guys are gross!

by Anonymousreply 401/23/2011

R2 You are 100% correct. Some gay men will never consider a gay man masculine because in their messed up heads only haterosexual males can be authenitcally masculine and gay men can only be authenitcally effeminate. They don't know what masculinity is because they didn't interact with haterosexual guys that much as children. Those of us who had heterosexual brothers who were into sports and/ or haterosexual male friends know the masculinity gay men desire is LEARNED through socializing with other males growing up and it is not some hidden secret that is always out of reach for them because they are gay.

by Anonymousreply 501/23/2011

R5, I don't know what any of those words mean.

by Anonymousreply 601/23/2011

The gay and lesbian center.%0D %0D Safe haven for fags who can't get laid.

by Anonymousreply 701/23/2011

Something tells me you're unlikely to meet your dream cowboy at that event.

by Anonymousreply 901/23/2011

Is this event being run by Hugh Hysell?

by Anonymousreply 1001/23/2011

I think we've found our poster girl for gayface.

by Anonymousreply 1101/23/2011

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by Anonymousreply 1201/23/2011

"As a straight acting gay guy, that holds my interests. I'm very picky, essentially."

"Straight acting gay?" There's no such thing. Straight acting men fuck women not men.

by Anonymousreply 1301/23/2011

This sounds like a LARP session where you role-play as straight date rapists instead of wizards and dragon trainers

by Anonymousreply 1401/23/2011

The Center should be ashamed of themselves for holding this and reinforcing the view that an only worthy gay man is a straight-acting gay man. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking?

by Anonymousreply 1501/23/2011

I'm only attracted to masculine gay men. Sorry, that's just the way I am. I don't have anything against effeminate men but they just don't do anything for me sexually.

by Anonymousreply 1601/23/2011

Masculine/feminine is such a weird distinction that seems to encourage two equally artificial schools of drag. Like, where do you classify a homo who comes off like a lead in a Judd Apatow movie?

by Anonymousreply 1701/23/2011

Yeah, what r17 wrote. I have no idea what she's talking about, but it sounds like something I'd agree with.

by Anonymousreply 1801/23/2011

R11, I got your gay face right here:

by Anonymousreply 1901/23/2011

[quote]The Center should be ashamed of themselves for holding this and reinforcing the view that an only worthy gay man is a straight-acting gay man. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking?

In their typically earnest way, they are trying to "reach out" to a segment of the gay community. Now, can anyone imagine a truly masculine gay guy going to the gay community center to meet that macho man of his dreams?

by Anonymousreply 2001/23/2011

I find it hard to believe that truly masculine men would sit around and talk about it.

by Anonymousreply 2101/23/2011

There's going to stick around and discuss chartering a bus to DC for FOLLIES.

by Anonymousreply 2201/23/2011

For me, it goes back to the old saying...if l wanted a woman, I'd go out and get one. The guy who is 6'2 and weighs 145lbs. And has a purse fall out of his mouth every time he opens it......does NOTHING for me.

by Anonymousreply 2301/23/2011

[quote]And has a purse fall out of his mouth every time he opens it

People who use this line are themselves not masculine. They know a little too much about what they don't like.

by Anonymousreply 2401/23/2011

I think this is a good thing. It keeps these guys and all their baggage away from the rest of us.

by Anonymousreply 2501/23/2011

There ARE guys who think the sound of a purse falling out of the mouth, is sexy.

by Anonymousreply 2601/23/2011

We need a masculine feminine poll

by Anonymousreply 2701/23/2011

It's football season. I thought they shopped at Lowe's during the game like everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 2801/23/2011

Oh, to be a fly on the wall at that event!

by Anonymousreply 2901/23/2011

This stuff really bugs the shit out of you mincing, prissy, Adam Lambert fans, doesn't it bitches?

by Anonymousreply 3001/23/2011

This sounds like it'll be hilarious to watch. I've been to a few of the center's gay speed-dating events and had very little luck. Some nice guys there, but the people tend to be a bit peculiar. Then there are the flaky young guys who go but don't follow through with their matches because they think better of it later.%0D %0D I'm considered and consider myself masculine, in that people who first meet me never, ever think I'm gay. One guy in my grad program who knew me casually for two years had absolutely no idea I was gay until it came out at a happy hour, and he was amazed. So that's where I'm coming from.%0D %0D I don't have a problem with guys who are fem per se, and I'm not really into the Marlboro guy bullshit - I'm much more into the nerdy, metrosexual type (think Canadian guys who played D&D in high school.) But I absolutely hate the guys who adopt stereotypically gay mannerisms in a flamboyant way. They're just posing, and it's totally uncreative. That's a huge turn-off for me.%0D %0D If your voice is naturally high, if you're not into sports, if you genuinely like theater, if you naturally carry yourself a bit on the light side - wonderful.%0D %0D If you ostentatiously refer to yourself and your friends as "girls," walk into a room with huge eyes and a mince and scream, "where's my appletini, bitches?", think it's healthy at 40 to spend every free night wearing A&F gear at the local bar and making penis jokes with your friends from the bathhouse, or generally act like you're channeling Jackee from 227, then, sorry, you have a pathetic personality.%0D %0D There's no difference between that behavior and that of a closeted guy trying desperately to butch it up in order to fit in with the straights.

by Anonymousreply 3101/23/2011

It's always interesting, though, to see the kind of nellies who think they 'act straight'. Like Lance Bass calling himself a 'SAG'. What a laugh.

by Anonymousreply 3201/23/2011

"I don't mind sissies, as long as they tone it down in front of me" is the new "I got no problem with the gays, as long as they don't shove their sex lives down my throat."

by Anonymousreply 3301/23/2011

the Center isn't behind this event. It's just some nelly opportunist queens in "Event Planning" who themselves can't get laid and are prissy queens.

by Anonymousreply 3401/23/2011

Interesting thread, never knew this debate existed in gay society.

You really do learn something new everyday.

by Anonymousreply 3501/23/2011

R31, who is "Jackee from 227?" You ain't my type, either.

by Anonymousreply 3601/23/2011

Marlboro Guy, here she is:

TAKE A LESSON!

by Anonymousreply 3701/23/2011

R23, You just described US figure skater Evan Lysacek.

by Anonymousreply 3801/23/2011

r37, I ADORE Barrett!!

by Anonymousreply 3901/23/2011

Oooooh. Sounds marvy.

Think I'll wear my Ungaro spring flock.

Don't tell my big dicked black husband!

by Anonymousreply 4001/23/2011

Fuckin' A, what about them fuckin' Jets.

by Anonymousreply 4101/23/2011

Would Vin Diesel date Johnny Weir?

by Anonymousreply 4201/23/2011

"For me, it goes back to the old saying...if l wanted a woman, I'd go out and get one."

Wrong. Guys who say that always sound ridiculous. If you wanted a woman, you'd be straight. Or bi. And the guys who say this are never bi.

by Anonymousreply 4301/23/2011

R42 No. Johnny said in an interview with Howard Stern that he hasn't had sex with a man since August and doesn't get much attention. It's because he's too effeminate for gay men and is too stubborn to make an effort to appeal to gay men. For me some slightly effeminate gay men are very attractive like Jake Steel however Johnny is too much.%0D %0D Heterosexual males do not have a lock on masculine behavior so this "straight-acting" word needs to go.

by Anonymousreply 4401/23/2011

What's "haterosexual"? Is that supposed to be clever?

by Anonymousreply 4501/23/2011

R43 What that expression means is that if a guy wanted ANOTHER guy who ACTS like a girl, he'd rather just get a girl instead.

by Anonymousreply 4601/23/2011

No, R46, a bi guy says that to you to let you know he wants you to take charge. Of his prostate.

You essentially have a needy bottom who still tortures some fat broad into thinking they have a future together with baby jebus.

And they come in the full spectrum of post-WWII male-identified mannerisms.

by Anonymousreply 4701/23/2011

R44, Johnny said in that interview that he is only attracted to masculine men as well. Are you saying that to "make an effort" he needs to tone it down by butching it up in order to get some male attention? Why would masculine men only be attracted to other masculine men? Most masculine staight men are attracted to women who are decidedly non-masculine, so why aren't more masculine gay men attracted to fem gay men.%0D %0D I'm dizzy.

by Anonymousreply 4801/23/2011

The whole idea seems pretty silly...and I'm sure most of the attendees will be flaming queens.

by Anonymousreply 4901/23/2011

"why aren't more masculine gay men attracted to fem gay men."%0D %0D Many are, R48. That's why the stereotype exists of there (supposedly) always having to be a dominant and a submissive partner in gay relationships. Not surprisingly, most of the people I've heard this from were straight.

by Anonymousreply 5001/23/2011

[quote] Johnny said in that interview that he is only attracted to masculine men as well.

From Johnny's perspective, that includes about 99 44/100% of gay men.

by Anonymousreply 5101/23/2011

Thanks R37. I figured it was somethin like that. R9 had it right. If you want to meat yer dream cowboy, go where the cowboys are.

by Anonymousreply 5201/23/2011

I've mentioned this in other threads, but I'm a masculine guy who's attracted to feminine men. Not "campy" men who fit every gay stereotype, but men are secure in their sexuality.

Fem guys turn me on just a much as masculine guys, but I've noticed that whenever I'm around them, they seem to assume I don't want to have anything to do with them. I've been asked several times if I'm really gay (at one point my ex-boyfriend thought that I might be straight, but dating men because of my tense relationship with my mother). Yes, I'm gay. And I like fem guys. Too bad gay men are often so insecure that they resort to relying on assumptions.

by Anonymousreply 5301/23/2011

Maybe it's because they think you're going to beat the shit outta them.

by Anonymousreply 5401/23/2011

[quote]"why aren't more masculine gay men attracted to fem gay men."

[quote]Many are, [R48].

A high-profile example is Carmen Carrera of [italic]RuPaul's Drag Race[/italic] and her macho husband. Also, former porn star Caesar (who's technically bi) loves girly twinks.

by Anonymousreply 5504/24/2011

What makes you think masculine men want to date other masculine men?

Butch guys are naturally attracted sissy guys.

by Anonymousreply 5604/24/2011

God, I'm glad I'm married.

by Anonymousreply 5704/24/2011

Masculine = emotionally limited & unimaginative

by Anonymousreply 5804/24/2011

"Those of us who had heterosexual brothers who were into sports and/ or haterosexual male friends know the masculinity gay men desire is LEARNED through socializing with other males growing up and it is not some hidden secret that is always out of reach for them because they are gay."%0D %0D %0D Uh, I know a ton of nelly guys who had macho brothers and macho dads, but still turned out to be effeminate. Socializing with macho men doesn't make you macho. Some men are naturally very masculine, others are not.%0D %0D %0D "Butch guys are naturally attracted sissy guys."%0D %0D %0D The most masculine gay men I know generally want to date other masculine men. Although maybe the ones you hang out with are different...%0D %0D

by Anonymousreply 5904/24/2011

[quote]The Center should be ashamed of themselves for holding this and reinforcing the view that an only worthy gay man is a straight-acting gay man. Seriously, what the hell are they thinking?

This has to be one of the dumbest things I have EVER read on DL.

The Center holds events for poz men. Does this reinforce the view than the only worthy gay man is a poz man?

I've gotta say it you are dumber than dirt.

by Anonymousreply 6004/24/2011

Dumber than dirt never came back to answer. Telling very telling.

by Anonymousreply 6104/25/2011

You cannot be masculine and call another guy "butch."

by Anonymousreply 6204/25/2011

"Most masculine staight men are attracted to women who are decidedly non-masculine, so why aren't more masculine gay men attracted to fem gay men."

Because people who are attracted to women (male or female) usually find feminine women to be attracted, masculine women not so much, whereas people who are attracted to males (bisexual/gay males or straight/bisexual females)usually are much more attracted to masculine males than non-masculine. Moreover, society exalts masculine men above all other groups, so it is a premium trait.

by Anonymousreply 6304/25/2011

y

by Anonymousreply 6404/26/2011

Carmen Carrera isn't that feminine out of drag though, R55.

by Anonymousreply 6504/28/2011

65 posts in this topic, and the phrase 'self-loathing' hasn't appeared once. What happened?%0D %0D I've been told on several occasions I don't "read gay at all" and guys I hook up with frequently ask me about my "girlfriend" or "wife" that they think I have to go home to, but there's no special woman in my life. So I don't know how masculine I am, but I guess I'm "straight-acting" enough for most people. Self loathing doesn't come into play. I am never turned on by unmasculine men, ever. I wouldn't go to this meeting/dating thing either, though. Doesn't sound like something a bunch of guy's guys would want to sit around talking about. I'd rather just go straight for the balls-sniffing and hairy asshole-eating. And yes, it is totally possible to do that and retain your masculinity and not feel any self loathing.%0D %0D I still think the only gay guys who constantly throw around the 'self-loathing' accusation are fems who are smarting from being passed over by those of us not turned on by them.

by Anonymousreply 6604/28/2011

[quote]Masculine/feminine is such a weird distinction that seems to encourage two equally artificial schools of drag.

Agreed. The only people I ever hear using the term "masculine" are effeminates. They seem to only be able to see males as extreme caricatures. Why, I'm not sure. Is it the natural unaffected male that terrifies them?

by Anonymousreply 6704/28/2011

R67, when you say "natural unaffected male" are you referring to nerds? Because I'm not really attracted to them either. %0D %0D I see the word 'masculine' used all the time on craigslist or other hookup sites by other masculine men who want to make sure they don't get responses from fem guys. The ones I've connected with really are masculine, so your theory is BS. The fem guys are the ones who describe themselves as 'cute'.

by Anonymousreply 6804/28/2011

"nerds"? Where did that come from? It sounds like another caricature that would come from effems.

I wasn't talking about craigslist terminology r68. You're mostly right about that. There, "masculine" has become codespeak for normal.

When I say "natural unaffected male" I'm talking about 85% of the guys you'd see on a college campus. I see them everyday. It's really the oddball who's all musclebound or pierced and prissy.

by Anonymousreply 6904/28/2011

This discussion of "masculinity" is tired and going nowhere. It's like talking about how "homosexual" a person is. Is "homosexual most of the time but can have sex with women," or is it "sex with men" only??? Or is it "have sex with women but only have emotional connections with guys"? Or is it "have sex with guys but only have emotional connections with women"? There is a wide, wide spectrum of sexuality, and there are NOT enough labels for ALL men.

That is also true of masculinity - there is a wide, wide spectrum of that. What matters is that you find what you are comfortable and happy with. And there is absolutely no need to discriminate against those who are not on the same spot of the spectrum with you.

Hell, I've heard a comment from a gay friend that Vin Diesel isn't "masculine" enough for him if Vin was gay.

by Anonymousreply 7004/28/2011

Right, R69, it's fem guys who are most likely to use the term 'nerds'. Ridiculous. Sounds like something a nerd would say.%0D %0D R70, does not being attracted to unmasculine men count as discrimination against them? You can't control what you're attracted to.%0D %0D On a college campus, 'normal' is one thing. If I'm looking for dick online and I need to describe what I'm looking for, I use the term 'masculine' because it's slightly more descriptive than 'normal'. It's usually obvious that 'masculine' does not mean 'muscleheaded caricature'. I would like to think that the guys attending this meet-up that I have no interest in are not going to be muscleheads/caricatures of masculinity.

by Anonymousreply 7104/28/2011

[quote]It's usually obvious that 'masculine' does not mean 'muscleheaded caricature'.

Unfortunately, on DL it seems to mean that. Have you seen the pic threads? Older ballooned-out grizzled types or slightly younger ballooned-out orange-skinned types.

And what IS up with your use of the term nerd? Do you see that as some kind of put-down of a natural normal guy?

by Anonymousreply 7204/28/2011

[R71] "does not being attracted to unmasculine men count as discrimination against them?"

Of course not. Why would it be?

"On a college campus, 'normal' is one thing." So, you are saying that some people that are not on the same spot of the "masculinity" spectrum - not as masculine as you are or as masculine as you want them to be - are NOT normal. I hope this is not what you are saying, because if it is, then that is discrimination, no doubt. It's like straight men calling gay men "not normal" just because gay men cannot enjoy having sex with women as much as thety do.

"I would like to think that the guys attending this meet-up that I have no interest in are not going to be muscleheads/caricatures of masculinity."

You have more than two run-on sentences. I can't understand what you are trying to get across. Sorry about that.

by Anonymousreply 7304/28/2011

Butch or femme, if a guy's smart, sexy and happy in his own skin, then I'll probably find a place in my bed for him. Anyone's who's too hung up on how 'masculine' they appear to others is probably dull as old dishwater (and not nearly as butch as they think they are).

by Anonymousreply 7404/29/2011

lk

by Anonymousreply 7505/28/2013

Who do I have to fuck to get a decent crantini around here?!

by Anonymousreply 7605/28/2013

Jack'd app has a lot of masculine athletic fit dudes

by Anonymousreply 7705/29/2013

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by Anonymousreply 7807/02/2013

G0ys

by Anonymousreply 7907/02/2013

Jacked has masc dudes

by Anonymousreply 8007/27/2013

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by Anonymousreply 8108/24/2013

I hate the term "straight acting too," but apparently it conveys precisely what people are trying to communicate very well. I think "masculine" should be used to convey the same idea, but people tend to reflexively say "straight acting." I think what they mean is that they are just like your average straight guy, except they like dudes, so they use the term "straight acting."

by Anonymousreply 8410/23/2013

[quote]R82: if you wanna say your masculine say your masculine like me, but how "straight acting" are you if your sucking dick

[quote]R83: then your not very masculine

Your not that smart when it comes to "your" vs "you're," are you, masculines? But you're masculinity makes up for it, I'm sure.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 8510/23/2013

R83 continued with this "straight acting" bullshit.

We hunt together, go camping and fishing, spot each other when benching at the gym drink shots together, watch every sports game together, wrestle and do jujitsu together, we'll also beat each other up and box each other for the hell of it

We rip ass and burp in front of each other openly and even piss and shit in front of one another in the woods when we go camping we don't use no pussy ass tent.

He like me feels the same way about feminine gay guys it's just like dating a woman with a penis and were both repulsed by them sexually

Although I do have 2 good friends who are a couple and they're both very flamboyant.

He also agrees with me that TRUE homosexuality is an extension of MALE BONDING and masculinity, which is a beautiful thing.

by Anonymousreply 8610/23/2013

[quote]The Center should be ashamed of themselves for holding this and reinforcing the view that an only worthy gay man is a straight-acting gay man.

You know, its funny, but I have re-read that press release three times now, and no where in it does it say what you are claiming it says. Weird, huh? Its almost as if you didn't really read what was written and decided to just shoot your mouth off about something of which you know nothing.

That, or your a liar.

by Anonymousreply 8710/23/2013

you're* a liar

by Anonymousreply 8810/23/2013

I'd love to meet masculine gay men, but I fear I'll have to make do with meeting space aliens instead.

by Anonymousreply 8910/23/2013

R85 = overweight, lisping, Glee loving he-she, whose mad that all the hot and masculine gay or bi guys WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HE/SHE

Don't you have to rush out and buy Lady Gaga's new album?

by Anonymousreply 9010/23/2013

Truly masculine men, like myself, are able to laugh at themselves and act girly every now and then. The ones who don't are always fronting and such pussies in real life.

by Anonymousreply 9110/23/2013

[quote]WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH HE/SHE

OH, DEAR ALL OVER AGAIN.

by Anonymousreply 9210/23/2013

R89 they do exist, just a lot of them ain't open about it, which come to think of it, isn't very masculine to not be open with who you are

It's very contradictory

When I tell people I'm gay, I've had other people swear that I'm joking with them, hell I've been to gay bars and have guys come up to me and ask me if I'm straight!

REAL MASCULINITY cannot be faked however, it is something that most (straight) men learn from male bonding and experiences when they're young

It's not only how you carry yourself, but also how you respond and react to a situation

Men are supposed to be strong, heroic, stoic and never "pussy out" and maintain their natural masculinity AT ALL TIMES

REAL men never cry in public, don't give a shit about clothes or fashion and don't gossip behind people's backs, they always deal with a problem head on, and REAL men aren't afraid to physically fight for something they believe in even if you know you're gonna get your ass beat, never back down from anothet dude.

REAL men exude confidence, and are competitive with other males, but also have their buddies back

by Anonymousreply 9310/23/2013

Another thing, REAL men never compare themselves to a woman or even see themselves in a woman even if it's a "strong woman"

REAL men should always look up to and admire other men as role models.

REAL masculine gay men should also never worship a straight guy and you should never feel inferior to them either

They're not better than you just because they like pussy, you're both men and are on the same playing field, you can be just as if not more masculine than most straight guys, who come to think of it aren't very masculine themselves

REAL masculine gay men also never drink fruity mixed drinks and they don't drink cosmopolitans

They drink hard liquor, beer and do shots and try to out drink their buddies

by Anonymousreply 9410/23/2013

r91, not sure what you mean, but what do you mean by acting girly? I know of plenty of masculine dudes that never act girly.

by Anonymousreply 9510/23/2013

This thread needs to be linked to the Why are so Many Gay Men Single thread.

by Anonymousreply 9610/23/2013

When I think about the things a masculine man would typically do, sitting around with a bunch of strangers in a community center talking about feelings is not high on the list.

by Anonymousreply 9710/24/2013

All gay MEN are masculine, there are just some trans effete girls sometimes ufairly mixed with our community.

by Anonymousreply 9810/24/2013

R96 = lonely trans girl who is upset no gay man wants to date a chick with dick

by Anonymousreply 9910/24/2013

I don't want to meet masculine gay men. I want to meet masculine BI dudes.

by Anonymousreply 10010/24/2013

R100, because you like the pussy breath in their mouth?

by Anonymousreply 10110/24/2013

r102, just a more mainstream vibe with bi dudes that is more attractive to me. They tend to just be regular dudes who happen to be into dudes, which is what I prefer. No disrespect to gay dudes.

by Anonymousreply 10210/24/2013

R120 = self-hater who will have sex with Ron Jeremy just because he's "straight"

by Anonymousreply 10310/24/2013

r103, nope, Ron Jeremey is not hot, so I am not interested. Because I am bi, you claim of self-loathing fails by definition.

by Anonymousreply 10410/24/2013

R104, anther proof bis are the worst homophobes

by Anonymousreply 10510/24/2013

r105, not being attracted to something is not homophobia. you severely overreach with your language, dude.

by Anonymousreply 10610/24/2013

Being attracted to masculine men does not mean you're homophobic or self loathing. Being attracted to masculine men means you are attracted to masculine men. That's all. End of story. The need to analyze it and assign some other motivation is pretty silly and only makes one wonder about what happened in the past for a person to make such a absurd and hateful claim.

by Anonymousreply 10710/24/2013

R106, not being attracted just because a man doesn't put his dick in the filthy vagina is homophobia

by Anonymousreply 10810/24/2013

[quote] not being attracted just because a man doesn't put his dick in the filthy vagina is homophobia

So says the misogynist.

by Anonymousreply 10910/24/2013

The filthy vagina? Lol

by Anonymousreply 11010/24/2013

r109, once again you misappropriate a word, this time "misogynist." learn the correct definition, man. don't get so butthurt about other people's individual attractions, dude.

by Anonymousreply 11110/24/2013

Now the word is "dude" is being overused in this particular thread. I love hearing the word dude on a lispy voice!

by Anonymousreply 11210/24/2013

R112 I always laugh when feminine gay guys say that masculine gay guys think saying the world "dude" or "bro" makes you more masculine

That's not the case at all as I know plenty of straight girls who say "dude" or "bro" as well

Feminine gay guys have such a chip on their shoulder

Get over it and be a man

by Anonymousreply 11310/24/2013

R111. No disrespect, but your post seems to be in reaction to imaginary things that never happened. First, I am not butthurt about other peoples attractions. Nor have I expressed an opinion that remotely resembles such. I dont care what others find attractive or not, because you know, that whole, "its none of my business thing". But saying finding something not of your interest is the same as hating it is stupid and wrong. In fact, I expressed something that is basically the same thing as you are saying.

Two: I'm not sure why you say I "once again" misappropriated the word seeing how I never used it before on this thread. Lastly, can you tell us how saying vaginas are filthy is not misogynistic? Can you tell us what the correct definition is?

by Anonymousreply 11410/24/2013

R93 you gave me a boner.

Sorry but fem acting guys are not attractive at all. I can be friends with them, but I could never get it up for them.

by Anonymousreply 11510/24/2013

I really like masculine men - it's what cinches the "chemistry" for me; it's what gives me butterflies - but the poster at R82 really comes across as repulsive.

Maybe it's an America vs. the rest of the world thing but people in North America (gay guys included) seem to confuse masculinity with being a neanderthal.

Seriously, R82, if what you've just done is reveal how all masculine guys think, you just turned me off them forever. Your hollow machismo is not at all appealing, and speaking like a fratboy (at 30, no less!) makes you come across as pathetic and stupid. You just seem massively uneducated. Furthermore, you sound like a massive princess with your giant lists.

Anyway, enough about R82.

My ideal guy is Christoph Waltz (Hans Landa can drag me away for inspection any day) and I'd say I'm pretty much like him as well, in personality. I like straight talkers and direct, no-nonsense, smart people. I like finery, I like to dress well but fashion and labels don't interest me. North American media is utterly naff. Hence, I don't care for most flamboyant gay men. Then again, princess personalities annoy the fuck out of me. Ironically, nelly flamers seem to employ as much artifice as str8 acting dudes do.

It only comes down to personality, I think. Weak-willed people give in to whatever they perceive to be the accepted standard: For a gay guy who has mostly female friends, whose source of acceptance is stereotypical females, his best bet is to flame. For a gay guy who hangs around with stereotypical neanderthal men, his safest choice is to emulate that ideal.

The people that think for themselves can carve a true identity for themselves; those are the ones that I find truly fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 11610/24/2013

...and you just know that the hetero-obsessed "masculine" guys on here are not fooling anyone in real life, they are far too bitchy and consumed with masculinity to resemble anything of the sort. I wish I could see them out and about and smirk. :P

by Anonymousreply 11710/24/2013

I know this guy on another forum -- we've met in person -- who in his online communications frequently describes himself as "rather masculine."

He isn't. He's a perfectly nice man. But I can tell he's gay. He's who I think of when these threads get going. If all these mascos are as masc as my friend, well, it's going to be a big Maryfest if they ever get together for a camping trip. (That's what the mascos like, isn't it, camping?)

by Anonymousreply 11810/24/2013

That's always the case, R118. I know many like this too. One in particular looks exactly like Chaz Bono. He even sounds like Chaz Bono. I'm convinced he's female-to-male transgender. He tells me nobody knows he's gay and he's closeted at work. I don't talk to this guy (or maybe "guy") anymore because he is immensely self-loathing for 36 years old. But, I'm not sure who he's fooling.

by Anonymousreply 11910/24/2013

R118 = limp-wristed drag queen who's gonna cry no man wants her

by Anonymousreply 12010/24/2013

Confident and proud masculine gay men such as myself never go on about how masculine they are

THEY JUST ARE

They also never bad mouth or disrespect the more feminine members of the gay male community

Even if your not attracted to them and would never date them, all gay men should stick together and have each others backs

by Anonymousreply 12110/24/2013

R121, trans women =/= gay men

by Anonymousreply 12210/24/2013

R119, Chaz at like 400 lbs or now?

by Anonymousreply 12310/25/2013

On personals sites and dating venues, you have to be respectfully explicit about seeking masculine dudes if you are only attracted to masculine guys. I think one should be explicit and upfront about their preferences.

by Anonymousreply 12410/25/2013

I hear a lisp in masculine gay man's voice. But I'm sure he's good at softball!!

by Anonymousreply 12510/25/2013

Lots of online posters ask for married guys. This is mostly because they expect them to not be big ol' girly gays.

by Anonymousreply 12610/25/2013

R126, yeah, that's why "straight" guys porn is still popular. So many people still live in the last century...

by Anonymousreply 12710/25/2013

[quote]The people that think for themselves can carve a true identity for themselves; those are the ones that I find truly fascinating.

This

by Anonymousreply 12810/25/2013

truly masculine dudes are hot

by Anonymousreply 12911/01/2013

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by Anonymousreply 13001/01/2014

homobros sounds better than gaybros

by Anonymousreply 13103/10/2014

So much angst over something so simple.

It's not about being able or wanting to pass as straight. It's not about whether you were in a frat, or say dude or bro, or go camping or play football. It's not an on off switch, masculinity and femininity are a spectrum and mean different things to different people.

I guess it goes back to hurt feelings for some guys? Maybe old HS wounds or something, from teasing or being bullied. This thread also reminds me of the I'm X race and I like race Y guys, but they often won't date me threads.

People aren't always compatible, as friends or lovers. It can hurt and be awkward, but it is what it is. It's kind of an odd thing to choose as something to mean we should all get along, all liking dick. Doesn't tell you anything about the person if you think about it. It's kind of amazing that anyone finds anyone remotely compatible with them when you take into account all the variables. How many times have you been seeing someone and were totally into it, but then just one thing killed it all? Or found someone you felt was your perfect match only to find out that you weren't theirs, or vice versa?

tl dr - Just be respectful to folks even though they won't always be that way to you. Lead by example. When someone is hurtful to you, don't become jaded or spiteful. You're just hurting yourself doing that. Do unto others... right?

by Anonymousreply 13203/10/2014

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by Anonymousreply 13408/02/2014

R53 and R74 have the most intelligent attitudes on this thread.

I was always wondering whether there was a butch/femme divide among gay men the way there is among lesbians. Now I know there is. And those of us who don't believe in such reductive labeling get left out in the lurch. Sometimes in a group of men where I'm the only gay guy, I feel too gay for them, but in a group of other gay men, I feel like I'm not gay enough for them.

But there's nothing sexier to me than a masculine man who is comfortable expressing his feminine side.

Even so, the definitions of what constitutes "masculine" and "feminine" behavior and manners of appearance has changed over the centuries.

by Anonymousreply 13601/13/2015

Gender stereotyping hurts boys just as much as it hurts girls.

by Anonymousreply 13701/13/2015

Most men want to be masculine. That will never change

by Anonymousreply 13901/13/2015

[R82] - You sound perfect. And I am not joking.

by Anonymousreply 14001/13/2015

I love to top guys who are all masculine and butch acting. It's fun.

by Anonymousreply 14201/13/2015

"Butch?" Really dude?

by Anonymousreply 14301/13/2015

This is what passes as "masculine" to a self-proclaimed,vocal frying "masculine" gay "boy" on Youtube...right down to the "Budweiser" reference.

I can already hear the manly,Alpha male utterances as he and his bf stuff dollar bills down a strippers' jock.

by Anonymousreply 14401/13/2015

Fairly obscure video R144. Only 2K hits.

But what's your beef, bro?

Dude sounds like any other masculine 20something straight or gay.

We get more guys like him in the limelight, people will stop going to Cam and Mitch as their default gay mindplace.

[FIST BUMP!]

by Anonymousreply 14501/13/2015

"I'm a masculine gay"

Do masculine dudes ever say this?

by Anonymousreply 14902/23/2015

Yeah, they don't.

by Anonymousreply 15002/23/2015

I am a pretty masculine guy but I always preferred queenier guys. I don't like the loud, shrill, obnoxious type, but I do go for cute guys with a little flip in their wrists. They turn my cock right the fuck on.

by Anonymousreply 15302/23/2015

Gays fetishize masculinity.

by Anonymousreply 15402/23/2015

Ok good luck R155, may god be with you both.

by Anonymousreply 15602/23/2015

[quote]I do think interaction as boys to other heterosexual male boys is also very important in whether you become masculine or not when you grow up

Nah. Or I'd be as "masculine" as my violent asshole brother (I'm surprised he never killed someone). I grew up in two neighborhoods that were filled with boys, all of whom were my friends. Didn't make a bit of difference. In the second neighborhood, which we lived in longer, I'm the only gay male, AFAIK, out of 24 boys in 9 houses.

And wings suck, regardless of the gender you are or aspire to.

You need to refine your thought process, R157. You don't know very much.

And if you want to be with someone who beats you up, that's called "masochist," not "masculine."

I'll pray for you.

by Anonymousreply 15902/23/2015

Well all know most gay men prefer masculine gays R158. I mean "no fats, no fems" is one of the most cliched lines for a reason.

No need to go on and on about it.

by Anonymousreply 16002/23/2015

[quote]Well all know most gay men prefer masculine gays [R158]. I mean "no fats, no fems" is one of the most cliched lines for a reason.

yep...it's come up here twice in the last few weeks & got locked both times. Does anyone care about masc preferences on DL? There are websites like "realjock" (lolz) and "straightacting.com" for that.

by Anonymousreply 16102/23/2015

R159 we play around fight by doing MMA style combat fighting and we also wrestle too.

Didn't you ever play around fighting with your buddies for fun?

Oh wait

Nevermind...

by Anonymousreply 16202/23/2015

Talk about black and white thinking; thank god many of us fall within a grey area. How awful to be committed to a certain way of being- it's 2015, folks; an I mean FOLKS.

by Anonymousreply 16302/23/2015

No, R162, that's what my brother was for. His favorite hobby was beating me up. I didn't need to sign up for any extramural beatings.

That you think this is a good thing, well...

by Anonymousreply 16402/23/2015

R164 we fight and wrestle for fun and also when you're drunk you can't really feel pain.

Just like working out and seeing which one of your bros is the alpha dominant male that we all aspire to be by being able to bench and lift the heaviest weight.

It's male bonding and competition

Did you ever see Fight Club?

Why are so many gay man afraid of masculinity like it's a bad thing?

Embrace it

by Anonymousreply 16502/23/2015

preach r165

by Anonymousreply 16602/23/2015

Who was the bottom ? You or army dude?

by Anonymousreply 16702/23/2015

Isn't there somewhere else you can post, R165, where you might find other people like you?

by Anonymousreply 16802/23/2015

Edna Turnblatt has openings, r168, just where Masculine Troo belongs; opposition attracts.

by Anonymousreply 16902/23/2015

Just a question

Does ANY type of gay men prefer the feminine type over the masculine type?

I'm just curious

In my experience it seems like a universal no

When I first went to gay bars, before I knew better; guys would tell me that I was a dream come true for gay men and that they loved that I was masculine

by Anonymousreply 17002/23/2015

I'd take a genuine, loving guy that flames to the ozone over some self-identified, stuck schmuck, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 17102/23/2015

Studies have confirmed that "masculine" and similar terms for it is the most popular trait sought by men seeking men in personal ads.

by Anonymousreply 17202/23/2015

I'd much rather date someone "femme" than someone "Fight Club."

Fight Club? REALLY?

by Anonymousreply 17302/23/2015

One of my friends says he [italic]only[/italic] fucks "masculine" men. I've met several of them over the years, and the only Fight Club that might have gone on was if they watched the movie together.

by Anonymousreply 17402/23/2015

I'm masculine and only prefer other masculine men, unless they are bottoming, then they can be a little dainty. My two masculine friends however, like dainty guys as well as masculine guys, but to a much greater degree than me (the dainty ones).

by Anonymousreply 17502/23/2015

Waitaminit. Isn't Proud Masculine Gay another name for Roger Octopus Network?

by Anonymousreply 17602/23/2015

Even though we prefer to be tops

We both take turns bottoming

Mike, the bi Army guy on again off again boyfriend, doesn't like gay bars, so we usually hang at 2 bars right by my house

Where we shoot pool and play darts

Or we play Call of Duty on his Play station

We used to go to the gym all the time and see who could lift the most

And he would call his buds from his own neighborhood and we would take over the nearby playground and get a baseball game going every once in awhile

I still have his bat and glove at my place

A few years back he tried out for the minor league

by Anonymousreply 17702/23/2015

r170, I prefer masculine men.

Many of my friends tell me to 'settle' and 'shift my priorities' and go on fix ups with Nellie queens.

I have a wide variety of friends, but relationship/romance-wise I like masculine men.

by Anonymousreply 17802/23/2015

[quote]we play around fight by doing MMA style combat fighting and we also wrestle too.

Unless you're hitting each other in the face,which according to some of the websites of these "fight clubs" assures us is NOT allowed, you're basically engaging in merely a form of public foreplay.

Nothing says femme,girly,vain and unmanly as a bunch of ersatz "straight acting" fags concerned about getting punched in the mug.

by Anonymousreply 17902/23/2015

ditto for me but for feminine gals

by Anonymousreply 18002/23/2015

So why are these "manly men" all over the most gay and nelly board in the universe? Why?

by Anonymousreply 18202/23/2015

I meet a lot of hot heteroflexible dudes at sports bars and shooting hoops.

by Anonymousreply 18402/23/2015

[quote] a lot of people have issues with the more masculine gay men

That is just not true, unicorns are always welcome at Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 18502/23/2015

R180 I'm with you on that femme less

In fact my closest female friend is a gorgeous and single feminine lesbian in her 30s in New Jersey

What part of the US do you live in?

by Anonymousreply 18602/23/2015

R185 what does that mean? Who's into unicorns?

R184 this is true, all though I wouldn't call this guy's straight as straight men don't hook up or think about hooking up with another dude

I would say bi or bi curious

I was Mike's first male hookup

I'm proud of that

by Anonymousreply 18702/23/2015

That was a tongue-in-cheek snark steered toward a possible unicorn, r187.

by Anonymousreply 18802/23/2015

[quote]So why are these "manly men" all over the most gay and nelly board in the universe? Why?

Because he's just trolling. His comments are so cliche and stupid...Unless he's 16 & really this dumb - it's trolling.

Tell us, masc dude, who is your favorite baseball, football, and hockey player - past and present - and why. Also, name your favorite football, baseball, and hockey teams - past and present - and tell us why they are your favorites. You've already told us you watch sports w/ your bro friends - so this shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to answer.

On the other hand, trolls only have so much time for endless wikipedia searches to sound credible.

by Anonymousreply 18902/23/2015

R188 so you're basically saying that masculine gay men don't exist?

Talk about being a self hating gay nan!

Of course they exist, just a lot of them aren't open about it

And there is also plenty of bi and bi curious dudes as well

They all seem to be attracted to masculine gay men however.

by Anonymousreply 19002/23/2015

I'm saying you're a mighty passive anomaly, r190, and I wish you well.

by Anonymousreply 19102/23/2015

R189R185 I'm not trolling

My favorite baseball player is Mike Schmidt of the Phillies 3rd baseman, although I was only a kid when he retired, I have DVD ' S of him playing, especially the 1980 World Series, when we beat the Kansas City Royals in Game 6 and the 1983 World Series, when we lost to the Baltimore Orioles

In my opinion he's the greatest 3rd baseman of all time, unlike the Steroid ed loved A Rod, who before he was a Yankee was actually a Shortstop, and the Phillies are my favorite baseball team my favorite current MLB player is 2nd basemen chase Utley

For hockey the Devils and then the Flyers are my favorite teams, favorite players are the recently retired Martin Brodeur and I was into Flyers Eric Lindros in the mid 90s, he was part of that RIDICULOUS crazy 8 ' s lineup and took the Fly guys to the Stanley Cup finals in 1997 losing to the Detroit Red Wings, the red wings are also the second most winning Stanley Cup team in NHLNFL history behind the Montreal Canadians

I fucking hat the Penguins and those pussies Crosby and Mall in

For football, despite living in South Jersey, I'm a Cowboys fan, although they did to get rid of Romo, he never lived up to his potential

My favorite NFL player now is Green Bay Packers QB Aaron Rodgers (I know), I fucking love how he plays and he reminds me of Troy Aikman during the Cowboys early 90s glory days

It was weird when the Packers played the Cowboys and eliminated them in the playoffs only for the Packers to be eliminated the following week

I really have no NFL favorite AFC teams

I could go on and on on my hatred for The Patriots, an AFC team and that fake ass Brady

by Anonymousreply 19202/23/2015

R189 also my mom, who is very feminine, is a huge Cowboys and Football fan in general so your "POint" makes no sense

by Anonymousreply 19302/23/2015

Whenever I hear gay men talking about how masculine they are, they always sound toe-curlingingly self-conscious - like they're literally describing an acting role, rather than expounding on who they really are as a person.

The type of masculinity they subscribe to tends to be horribly regressive and speaks of an obsession with constructed traditional working class notions of what it means to be a 'real man' - beer swilling, sports watching, balls-scratching etc - in spite of the fact that millions and millions of straight men don't identify with that brand of masculinity. It's such a narrow, limited and limiting way of thinking about oneself and other people.

I just find it pretty sad that people can focus on things which are so superficial at the expense of the qualities that make one a rounded and decent human being, such as intelligence, emotional literacy, empathy, sensitivity etc

by Anonymousreply 19402/23/2015

R194, you're swell.

by Anonymousreply 19502/23/2015

Guarantee you PMGM hasn't paid his eighteen bucks.

I'm guessing PMGM is an undocumented FR alien.

by Anonymousreply 19602/23/2015

R192 I meant to post that the Cowboys NEED to get rid of Romo

My auto correct is getting on my fucking nerves today.

If anyone wants to talk sports, I'm all ears by the way

Do you know how hard is is to be both a Devils and Flyers fan since they're in the same conference and are rivals

It's virtually unheard of

by Anonymousreply 19702/23/2015

R194 sounds masculine.

by Anonymousreply 19802/23/2015

Are there any hockey fans here who actually liked the old school 70s hockey better

I have DVDsDVD of the Flyers winning Stanley Cup games from 1974 and 1975 and those dudes were fucking beasts back then!

Niw, especially if you're a Flyer it seems, you're penalized for everything.

Every year the Flyers players always spend more time in the penalty box than any other team

The refs hate us!

by Anonymousreply 19902/23/2015

Masc dude,

are you white? what are your stats? how hung?

by Anonymousreply 20002/23/2015

What is wrong with only wanting to sleep with/date masculine men?

It's not about watching sports- you can love going to Broadway shows and still have masculine personality traits. You can be a huge Giants fan and have gay voice that will have me saying, "let's just be friends."

Maybe there are guys out there who like queeny guys, but normally I find them cringeworthy and even as friends it's hard to be around them for extended periods of time.

by Anonymousreply 20102/23/2015

R199 is proud Masculine gay man

by Anonymousreply 20202/23/2015

r202, do you have OCD? You have said the same thing in about 5 different threads...over several weeks. I think your 20-30 posts have said the same exact thing. Why do you keep repeating yourself?

by Anonymousreply 20302/23/2015

R203 but you're also in 4 or 5 different threads posting as well.

Again, not trolling

But I will take questions if any one has anything to ask me?

by Anonymousreply 20402/23/2015

Because he's masculine, masculine, masculine, Marcia!

by Anonymousreply 20502/23/2015

uh - duh, but i talk about MANY other topics aside from my masculinity. That's the point...not that you're in a lot of threads, but that you just repeat your "message" over and over again.

by Anonymousreply 20602/23/2015

R206 ok, I get it. But I post in other threads under anonymous

I'll probably post as proud Masculine gay man as my signature for here on out

by Anonymousreply 20702/23/2015

Your obsession with "masculinity" is very telling. It's consuming your thoughts. It defines you but it's all just a contrived act. I bet you're one of those people that focuses on everything they do and everything they say hoping it doesn't come off too "queeny." A naturally masculine man isn't going to sit there and lecture everyone about what masculinity is and how he embodies that. "BUT I WATCH SPORTS, BRO!!!" It just comes naturally to him and he doesn't give it a second thought. There's a diva deep within you and that bitch needs to breathe!

by Anonymousreply 20802/23/2015

Since you're fielding questions, PMGM:

Did Joan Crawrord love Alfred Steele?

Why did Alexis and Dominique hate each other so much?

Did our beloved Dowager Cockgobbler use campaign funds to go see Katy Perry?

What are some mistakes people make when trying to "make it" in Los Angeles?

And finally, Miss Warwick, are you okay?

by Anonymousreply 20902/23/2015

[quote]A naturally masculine man isn't going to sit there and lecture everyone about what masculinity is and how he embodies that. "BUT I WATCH SPORTS, BRO!!!"

That's exactly why it seemed trollish to me... but he answered the sports questions, so ... aright.

[quote]There's a diva deep within you and that bitch needs to breathe!

lol

by Anonymousreply 21002/23/2015

To each his own, the gay community is diverse and we have room for bros into other bros.

by Anonymousreply 21102/23/2015

But that's precisely the problem, R211. The couch-occupying, sport-watching, ungroomed dudebro front is as much an act as the HAY-GURLFRIEND, Gaga/Beyonce/poptart-obsessed queen.

Masculinity is typically what makes the x-factor, the butterflies for me; it's what will usually make me want to see the guy again. However, it isn't the be-all, end-all.

Machismo, willingness to take responsibility, and authenticity are rare qualities in gay men.

Muscle Marys are no better than twinky club queens.

by Anonymousreply 21202/23/2015

...and it's primetime, where's PMGM?

by Anonymousreply 21302/23/2015

Most gays who go on and on about masculinity, do so because it's their fetish. They try and pretend it's just their 'personality' but invariably they'll have a list of very specific requirements and anyone they perceive to be lacking is given short shrift. In effect, their entire existence is ruled by their homosexuality and their constant desire of, and fixation on masculinity.

by Anonymousreply 21402/23/2015

At the end of the day, I need my man to be a bitch in the sheets. Most masculine dudes can't give it up like that. I like guys I can use completely, and you find that more in feminine gays obviously.

by Anonymousreply 21502/23/2015

R215 has obviously never heard of "Butch in the streets, bitch in the sheets".

by Anonymousreply 21602/23/2015

We do not want to talk to other guys about masculinity. That is the point!

by Anonymousreply 21702/23/2015

Masc 4 masc

by Anonymousreply 21802/23/2015

Yo I'm back, the reason I keep on posting about masculinity is because it's the whole topic of this thread! It's not like I'm posting a threadd on Broadway musicals and going on about my masculinjity

That wouldn't make any sense

Another thing is, in my personal life and. Whrn I'm with Mike I and him NEVER talk about masculinity

We just are

Although it does get annoying well I tell straight people that I'm gay and they go on and. On about how I don't seem gay and some even think I'm joking. With them.

It's really annoying like I'm some freak of nature or something

by Anonymousreply 21902/23/2015

"Although it does get annoying well I tell straight people that I'm gay and they go on and. On about how I don't seem gay and some even think I'm joking. With them."

There are far too many grammar, punctuation and spelling errors in this single paragraph to take its intent and content seriously.

by Anonymousreply 22002/23/2015

R31 is my hero.

by Anonymousreply 22102/23/2015

Does anyone have any other sports related questions for me?

I also I have posted in other threads under anonymous

by Anonymousreply 22202/23/2015

[quote]What is wrong with only wanting to sleep with/date masculine men?It's not about watching sports- you can love going to Broadway shows and still have masculine personality traits.

I know...just ask Hugh Jackm-

OOPS!

by Anonymousreply 22302/23/2015

[quote]When I'm with Mike I and him NEVER talk about masculinity

Well, you're sure as hell makin' up for it HERE!

by Anonymousreply 22402/23/2015

**Well, you're sure as hell makin' up for it HERE!**

HAHAHA!! That's what I was thinking!

by Anonymousreply 22502/23/2015

R224 maybe because the topic of this thread iss about wanting to meet and date masculine men?

by Anonymousreply 22602/23/2015

from 2011...not to mention the other threads you bumped..on this issue.

by Anonymousreply 22702/23/2015

[quote]Whrn I'm with Mike I and him NEVER talk about masculinity

Do you talk about your grammar skills? Because, you really should and it's nothing to be ashamed about.

by Anonymousreply 22802/23/2015

A masculine gay man had (repeated) diarrhea in my just-cleaned bathroom.

A proper gay man would never have done such a thing.

by Anonymousreply 22902/24/2015

This thread reaffirms my belief that masculine gays are boring, tedious and repetitive.

by Anonymousreply 23002/24/2015

He fouled my ensuite.

by Anonymousreply 23102/24/2015

Please amend that to the Masculine DL Loon, R230. That one guy posting here is an utter bore.

But there are plenty of other guys that don't relate to any aspect of gay culture and it is an alienating experience especially when the community turns on you for not identifying 100% with their MO.

It's a warped irony that I, an out gay man (who enjoys Madonna's music, likes watching home reno shows, etc) can go to a Queers on Campus type meeting and feel genuinely uneasy at the viewpoints expressed there* and totally be at ease with straight men guzzling sad excuse of bar brand beer.

*it was during Trans Awareness Week and this very flamboyant man expressed heatedly how people saying anti-trans things should be bludgeoned with hammers and his suggestion was received by group with calm, thoughtful nods!!! I mean, homophobes are reprehensible but the world is a big place and everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter how distasteful it might be.

Straight people have been nothing but accepting to me; it is from the gay community that I sense violent, reactionary vibes.

by Anonymousreply 23202/24/2015

Did the the 'flamboyant' man say he wanted to physically attack you?

by Anonymousreply 23302/24/2015

Don't twist my words. No where did I imply that he was getting violent WITH ME. Learn to read and comprehend.

I am a pretty outspoken man, but in that scenario, I didn't feel comfortable voicing my opinion (which at the time would have been, "gee, that's kind of an overreaction; we should just give these homophobic losers the royal ignore (You know, the one tactic any smart parent teaches their child in kindergarten)". Ironically, the association is called Outspoken. I mean these groups and bodies are supposed to be safe spaces. I am a good reader of people and I assure you, had I voiced my opinion, I would have been met with condescending smiles, eye-rolls at best. At worst, I'd have Social Justice Warriors verbally sparring with me for the rest of the night.

And let me make it simple for you: Yes, I would never sleep with that flamer in a thousand years. If that makes me "self-loathing" then so be it. But I can't even get it up for guys like that and if that makes me less of a man, then I am content being a shadow of a man.

But make no mistake, it was his crazy, knee-jerk reactionary views that were most offensive to me. Just how I dread the outraged reactions I get when I tell other gays how I think Glee is garbage, how Beyonce and Lady Gaga are terrible, Andy Cohen is a buffoon etc.

I have the best chemistry with masculine men - who in my experience are the most romantic. As an idealist, I really love that in my relationships. Masculine men are rare though so my dry spells are longer, and I am more single than not. But that's okay; I am fascinating and I do things I enjoy.

by Anonymousreply 23402/24/2015

[quote]I am fascinating

Spoken like a TRUE wrench carryin',Bellator watchin',fist pumpin' built Ford tuff all-American ALPHA male!

by Anonymousreply 23502/24/2015

Don't forget gregarious, r235! Fascinating and gregarious, sounds so 'straight acting'; straight acting is just that, acting.

by Anonymousreply 23602/24/2015

"Masculine men are rare though so my dry spells are longer."

No, your dry spells are longer because you are a boring, tedious twat.

by Anonymousreply 23702/24/2015

'Just how I dread the outraged reactions I get when I tell other gays how I think Glee is garbage, how Beyonce and Lady Gaga are terrible, Andy Cohen is a buffoon etc.'

Loads of gay men aren't into Glee, Beyonce, Gaga and Cohen. Except they don't go round making a big deal about it and how not liking them makes then so MASCULINE. And YOU not liking them doesn't make you masculine either.

by Anonymousreply 23802/24/2015

[quote]Just how I dread the outraged reactions I get

Mary, your slip is showing.

by Anonymousreply 23902/24/2015

This thread is about meeting and dating MASCULINE. gay men

As a gay man that's considered masculine, I have every right to be posting in this thread

But why are the more feminine gay guys posting in this thread of worse attacking the masculine posters in a thread that is about masculine gay men?

If the thread title had said "Gay guys who want feminine gay guys", I wouldn't even lurk there let alone post repeatedly and attacking feminine gay men.

This further proves my point that a lot of feminine gay men have a HUGE chip on their shoulder and feel resentful and even jealous of the masculine gay man, who fits comfartably into society and values his masculinity as a beautiful thing, like most men do.

by Anonymousreply 24002/24/2015

Nellies both want and despise those who are not nelly.

by Anonymousreply 24102/24/2015

R241 yeah I've noticed that too, especially the reaction that I would get from the queeny guys when I was in my 20s and went to gay bars, before I knew any better

I can't wait to hang with my bi on and off boyfriend when he comes back up in April, on leave from the Army

We can play some pool together and get drunk off our asses

And do the 3 f's Fart, fight and fuck

As I still have a thing for him

by Anonymousreply 24202/24/2015

Butch guys are arrogant assholes

by Anonymousreply 24302/24/2015

[quote]I can't wait to hang with my bi on and off boyfriend when he comes back up in April, on leave from the Army. We can play some pool together and get drunk off our asses. And do the 3 f's Fart, fight and fuck

Repeated for the 8th time... ok... Zzzzz

Nobody cares - and it has nothing to do w/ how "masc" you are or how "fem" any of us (supposedly) are. It has to do with how repetitive & cliche you are. Find another board where people might actually care.

by Anonymousreply 24402/24/2015

r242, just curious if you fart and fuck at the same time? Does your partner fart as you fuck him?

by Anonymousreply 24502/24/2015

And are they wet farts?

I know we should be walking on a beach when I ask you this, but: Do you douche?

by Anonymousreply 24602/24/2015

R244 again this topic is for masculine gay men

If you have such a problem with it then why do you constantly post in this topic?

You're not gonna see me go into a topic aimed at feminine gay men and talk shit and tell them that "nobody cares about how feminine you are".

I've obviously hit a nerve

R245 R246 we fart and burp as a bonding and sometimes competition thing and me and my straight bros do it too, it's fun

We never mix it with our sex life because that's gross and we're always really clean in the ass area before hooking up

I remember rimming Mike and joking that if he farted I would punch him in the face

by Anonymousreply 24702/24/2015

**This further proves my point that a lot of feminine gay men have a HUGE chip on their shoulder and feel resentful and even jealous of the masculine gay man, who fits comfartably into society and values his masculinity as a beautiful thing, like most men do.**

No, it just proves that you are fixated on what you deem to be an acceptable form of masculinity. Loads of men, gay/straight/bi, just get on with their lives and don't need to spend any time thinking about how masculine they are, either for themselves or to others. You actually sound quite unbalanced to be so obsessed with your gender role, and I really don't believe it can be healthy.

I'm pretty certain you'd be a lot happier if you concentrated on developing as a PERSON, emotionally, intellectually, spiritually etc rather than being pathologically preoccupied with your own narrow view of masculinity.

We're all a mix a masculine and feminine traits

by Anonymousreply 24802/24/2015

R248 dude I get it and yes you're right everyone even Chuck Norris has masculine and feminine traits

But I'm perceived as masculine by others and I'm gay and this thread is about masculine gay men

So there you go on that one

by Anonymousreply 24902/24/2015

Do masculine men not appreciate periods?

by Anonymousreply 25002/24/2015

I prefer queeny dudes

by Anonymousreply 25102/24/2015

I want a rounded, well-dressed, groomed man who has swagger and machismo and behaves like a man (baritone voice, or lower; stereotypically male inflections and mannerisms) and not a nelly, 17 year old white girl.

This is hard to find in the gay community.

by Anonymousreply 25202/24/2015

I prefer guys who are comfortable in their skin. There are "masculine dudes" that are hot, there are "fem dudes" that are hot; most, fortunately fall to the middle.

For example, Mario is hot, sweet and all girl; I'm stretching for a masculine example, help!

by Anonymousreply 25302/24/2015

Only while they're not having theirs, R250.

by Anonymousreply 25402/24/2015

c

by Anonymousreply 25502/24/2015

Masculinity is the ultimate thing that attracts me to another man, if a man isn't masculine than I'm not interested.

Because there is no attraction

I like to feel like I'm with a man, not a substitute woman, someone who like myself embodies all of this male qualities that I admire and am attracted to myself

by Anonymousreply 25602/24/2015

Oh, for God's sake, Roger Octopus Network, give someone else a chance to share.

by Anonymousreply 25702/24/2015

I feel the same for feminine ladies

by Anonymousreply 25802/24/2015

'I like to feel like I'm with a man, not a substitute woman'

It's hard to know how masculine you are without meeting you in person, but I can definitely say you're pretty dim.

by Anonymousreply 25902/24/2015

[quote]As a gay man that's considered masculine, I have every right to be posting in this thread

Are you going to cry?

by Anonymousreply 26002/24/2015

pwg how did you even find this site? I can't imagine you'd find this coven of nelly queens appealing

by Anonymousreply 26102/24/2015

R261 I don't cry

Not that there's anything wrong that

R262 I was Googling " gay athletes" and the DL popped up and I decided to lurk on the forum

One of my best friends is very feminine and I love him like a brother, he's one of the nicest, funniest and coolest guys you'll ever meet

He is not a bitter, nasty queen at all, despite being feminine and obviously gay

by Anonymousreply 26202/24/2015

Nothing more boring than a gay that bases his entire personality around his fetish.

by Anonymousreply 26302/24/2015

[quote]Nothing more boring than a gay that bases his entire personality around his fetish.

IS it proud Masculine gay man? IS it a fetish?

Do you use lit cigars as sex toys?

by Anonymousreply 26402/24/2015

'IS it proud Masculine gay man? IS it a fetish? Do you use lit cigars as sex toys?'

???

by Anonymousreply 26502/25/2015

Massssculine

by Anonymousreply 26602/25/2015

R262 "He is not a bitter, nasty queen at all, despite being feminine and obviously gay"

That's because the bitter, nasty queens are the MASCULINE gays.

by Anonymousreply 26702/25/2015

"Proud Masculine Gay" is a meme now?

by Anonymousreply 26802/25/2015

Nah, she's just some Mimi.

by Anonymousreply 26902/25/2015

R261 I'm not bitter in the least and love my life and love being gay

I never talk negatively about other people

by Anonymousreply 27002/25/2015

pmgm, stats? Age/height/weight/city/cock size?

by Anonymousreply 27102/25/2015

Discussion group essayists are so butch!

by Anonymousreply 27202/25/2015

R272 who uses the word butch nowadays?

R271 32, 5'11, south Jersey, 180-190 lbs, muscular broad shoulder build, 7 inches erect

by Anonymousreply 27302/25/2015

You're growing on me, PMGM.

by Anonymousreply 27402/25/2015

r273, pic or it's not true.

by Anonymousreply 27502/25/2015

Post some body shots, PMGM

by Anonymousreply 27602/25/2015

If you refer to someone as butch then you're pretty gay. But I get the sense that proud masculine gay man is not at all attractive and compensates with his "masculine" bravado. Why else would he have the need to be proud?

by Anonymousreply 27702/25/2015

"south Jersey"

The white trash/meth capitol of the East Coast. No wonder PMGM thinks a night of binge drinking, playing pool, farting and belching is a hot date.

by Anonymousreply 27802/25/2015

You forgot beating the shit out of each other, R278.

by Anonymousreply 27902/25/2015

R275 I don't put pictures of myself online

I don't even have a Facebook page

I don't need to be the center of attention and I hate drama

R278 that's funny since I've never touched a drug in my life and only drink maybe twice a month

by Anonymousreply 28002/25/2015

R208 Amen!!!!

by Anonymousreply 28102/25/2015

I had a really bad experience with some dude I met online about 10 years ago

I was at my sister, her husband and her niece and nephews house on Christmas and she was taking pictures and she ended up putting them on her FB page

I got passed at her, she told me to calm down and that Maureen, one of her good friends kept saying how cute I was

She finally told Maureen that I was gay

Maureen wasn't too happy

by Anonymousreply 28202/25/2015

I was sincere when I said PMGM is growing on me; he's never said a nasty thing to anyone, that's saying something at DL; I wish I could say the same for myself.

by Anonymousreply 28302/25/2015

R277 I use the word proud because I hear all the time guts that say they are proud gay men

Which is great and all

I put the masculine part in because I'm proud to be gay and masculine as well

Your logic makes no sense man.

It's like if someone says t h at they're proud to be black, they're not really black?

Or if they're proud to be gay then they're not really gay?

Because they have to say that they're priud?

by Anonymousreply 28402/25/2015

R283 thanks man

I always at k east try to respect other people and live a happy and healthy life

I always try to be the better man and not complain and look on the bright side of things.

I don't like bitter, nasty attention seeking people in my life at all

It's not very masculine and ultimately self destructive to act that way

by Anonymousreply 28502/25/2015

Yo guys how many gay men do you think are actually masculine and can pass for straight

From my experience I would say about 10%

For MOST gay men, there is usually something that tips people off of their gayness

Not a bad thing, but generally true

That's one of the reasons, because I only like masculine men, that I end up hooking up with bi or bi curious guys

by Anonymousreply 28602/25/2015

I don't care who you hook up with, R286. You're probably ugly.

by Anonymousreply 28702/25/2015

R287 damn why the bashing? I'm far from ugly and even get hit on by women on a regular basis.

When I used to go to gay bars, the attention I got was crazy

I also used to bar tend at straight bars and get attention from women

Which is RARELY in those places

by Anonymousreply 28802/25/2015

You have a terrible personality.

by Anonymousreply 28902/25/2015

R287 also I'm probably getting back together with my bi Army boyfriend and best friend

I'm not looking for anyone

Just curious

by Anonymousreply 29002/25/2015

Good. Have fun beating each other up.

by Anonymousreply 29202/25/2015

Yeah. Right. I'm JEALOUS of a guy who plays Fight Club with his dates.

by Anonymousreply 29302/25/2015

R291 I know it's weird, but it's not cool to use the word fag

I'm open to friendships with a variety of different people and I don't hate no one!

Buy, unfortunately, I'm finding this out

by Anonymousreply 29402/25/2015

R289 you only know of me through my posts on here, how can you make that claim?

I'm very protective with my friends and the people I let in my life

I will stick up and have my bros back any day

I also always try to be a "stand up gauy" and do the right thing and live by my own set of morals

Just yesterday, I went over to a female Co workers house, who I barely know to move furniture for her, since she was getting carpeting put in

I felt bad for her since she had no one to help her

by Anonymousreply 29502/25/2015

Regardless of what you tell yourself, douchebag, you are a person who posts about his inability to accept 90% (by your own admission) of other gay men. Forgive me if I react to someone's posting about my unacceptability.

And you beat people up when you have sex.

by Anonymousreply 29602/25/2015

R291 Listen troll, the only thing FEMS hate are intolerant "MEN should be MEN" type of douchebags. Those happen to be masculine more often than not, go figure. Your misogyny is showing.

PMGM, you are attention seeking. You've made this thread entirely about you and you've basically made yourself seem like a "good guy" even though you've basically shit on FEMS as partners when you first started posting.

by Anonymousreply 29802/27/2015

R298 I said that I'm not ATTRACTED to feminine gay men

But I have some as friends, just not the bitter nasty queen type of personality

It's like women, I'm not attracted to them but I'm friends with some of them

by Anonymousreply 29902/27/2015

[quote] I said that I'm not ATTRACTED to feminine gay men

Yes. You did. You said it. And then you said it again. And then you said it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

by Anonymousreply 30002/27/2015

Firstly, this has nothing to do with PMGM. I find him rather tedious and a bore.

I just want to say as a balanced/regular man (pretty metrosexual but then again, I am not white, or American so I am not subjected to weird American rules of masculinity) I don't understand the hate for men who aren't attracted to feminine men.

I will give anyone a chance and I love to meet new people but I know that I won't feel the spark/the butterflies/the chemistry - the desire to see him again - if he isn't traditionally male in how he presents himself. I like baritone (or lower) voices (my voice or lower), easy and languorous smiles, sense of style, machismo and swagger. I am not attracted to high voices (grates on my hearing), mile-a-minute speech (sorry, not into teenage girls), hands swishing around like windmills (it seems like a waste of energy).

It's not that I think less of these people; they are just not for me to date. Heck, if I were a straight man, I wouldn't date women with Princess personalities.

So why all the disdain and anger for men who just don't find a certain kind of man attractive? People do it all the time when they reject perfectly good people who just don't happen to be their type.

I think the angry gay fems need some introspection.

by Anonymousreply 30102/27/2015

R301, why don't you go to a site where holding "fems" in such distaste is welcomed, instead of insulting.

I don't go to black websites and say I don't want to fuck blacks.

I don't go to Jewish websites and say I don't want to fuck Jews.

So why come here and tell us you don't want to fuck us. I do not understand your logic at all.

There's your "introspection," you fucking cunt.

by Anonymousreply 30202/27/2015

Why do masculine Gay men go to Datalounge? I think they 're going after Beyonce,Riahna,Madona's BOOBS & VAGNIA & ASS.

by Anonymousreply 30302/28/2015

And some question why so many same-sex oriented men refuse to identify as gay and want nothing to do with gay identity. Why would they want to associate with a group of men who call other men "girl/gurl," call men female pronouns, or engage in catty insults of masculine men's manhood. Men like to associate with those who affirm their masculinity, not undermine or question it.

by Anonymousreply 30403/01/2015

"Men like to associate with those who affirm their masculinity, not undermine or question it."

Deeply insecure and desperately pathetic "men" (like R304) like to associate with those who affirm their masculinity, not undermine it or question it.

There, fixed it for you, twat.

Real men aren't mean girls in men's clothing.

by Anonymousreply 30503/01/2015

I like men who have feminine features, feminine voices and big asses. Im currently crushing on a mixed guy with long braids who could be mistaken for a woman if he didn't have facial hair. He is gorgeous and plays it up sometimes by wearing women's jewelry. Most of you would probably call him a queen, but that's what I like! I love to fuck fem guys. Masculine guys are hot too, but at the end of the day I want soft dude in my bed so I can fuck him like my wife and he can take care of me like one.

by Anonymousreply 30603/01/2015

Call men insecure, but very few men tolerate anyone undermining their masculinity, whatever the orientation. Call yourself "she" or "girl" all you want, but call a normal man those things and you better be prepared to have your skull knocked in. Reality.

by Anonymousreply 30703/01/2015

R306 has never had the pleasure of meeting a macho-in-the-streets, bitch-in-the-sheets. You're missing out!

R307, just to add - that it's a totally moronic concept which is what most masculine men find offensive I think. They don't identify with women in any way but fem gay men insist on imposing their silly paradigms on them.

It's like being repeatedly referred to by a nationality/background that you're not. It's amusing at first, but the joke wears thin fast and one truly wonders if there is something mentally lacking in the offending party to refer to you with something that has nothing to do with you.

by Anonymousreply 30803/01/2015

I think feminine guys get a perverse thrill out of trying to cut masculine men down to size by insinuating they are not truly masculine. But then when masculine men bash them back, they act like they are helpless victims. Don't start none...

by Anonymousreply 30903/01/2015

It's the "masculine" guys who try to divide us into opposing factions. I never thought of the difference before reading about all this br0 shit on DL.

Go be "masculine" somewhere where you're appreciated, turdpockets.

by Anonymousreply 31003/01/2015

No, R310. At least for the younger generation of gays (teens to late twenties), it's the other way around and it isn't spelled out as clearly as you think. Rather it's an issue of the fem queeny gays gasping in shock when you tell them that you're not into clubbing, RuPaul's drag race or Beyonce... followed by them trying to seduce you in queeny ways (learned from what they've watched on TV from poptarts, no doubt). And all the while, they'll impose their attitudes and interests on you when it's quite clear you have no interest in whatever vapid topic they're harping about.

by Anonymousreply 31103/01/2015

R311, I would look for a mental health professional ASAP, before all that mASSculinity explodes all over your screen.

I'm sure you'd find me "fem," and even "queeny," but I find Beyonce, RuPaul, and "clubbing" at least as horrid as you do. So take your fucking stereotyping and ram it up your ass with a bottle rocket. Then light the contents of your whole hole as I laugh at your misery.

by Anonymousreply 31203/01/2015

[quote]I think feminine guys get a perverse thrill out of trying to cut masculine men down to size by insinuating they are not truly masculine. But then when masculine men bash them back, they act like they are helpless victims.

True. Effeminates are sad people. Their entire lives seem to be based on resentment, hence the constant lying and trashing of others.

by Anonymousreply 31303/01/2015

R312, the content of your message speaks louder on how it is YOU that needs a mental health professional.

So much anger. So much hate.

by Anonymousreply 31403/01/2015

[quote]True. Effeminates are sad people. Their entire lives seem to be based on resentment, hence the constant lying and trashing of others.

The resentment comes from knowing no one likes them. Their act is offensive and annoying, yet they want bitchy nastiness and ridicule of others to be embraced. Not going to happen.

by Anonymousreply 31503/01/2015

Where does this effeminacy stuff come from anyway? I almost never encounter it in real life. Seriously, no one I know acts like that - the accent, the lingo, the bitchiness. For those of you defending it, where do you people live, anyway?

by Anonymousreply 31603/01/2015

Brahs rock

by Anonymousreply 31703/09/2015

Guys don't want to be seen with feminine males In public

by Anonymousreply 31803/13/2015
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