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Trump is here to stay. The Gillibrand self mutilating torching of a colleague confirms it.

Democrats don't deserve to win. They don't know how to play the game.

replies 111Dec 7, 2017 2:15 PM +00:00

Why do you enjoy dancing on graves prematurely?

replies 1Dec 7, 2017 2:17 PM +00:00

I agree. It is very stupid. We've already seen that "I'm not Trump" or "I'm not Moore" is not going to win elections nor is preaching to America about how morally superior your party is to the Republicans. To win elections, we need to focus on basic things like jobs and the economy that appeal to a wide base of people. Identity politics and moral superiority don't appeal to people outside of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and NYC.

replies 2Dec 7, 2017 2:21 PM +00:00

Ok I won't dance on them. I'll just let them hold the rotting corpses. I'll dance later, like late 2020.

replies 3Dec 7, 2017 2:22 PM +00:00

I have to agree with you sadly. They will never do what is needed to get the fat fuck out of office. We are doomed.

replies 4Dec 7, 2017 2:23 PM +00:00

Let’s game out what happens to #metoo and Senator G if Democratic candidate for Senator loses the special election to replace Franken.

replies 5Dec 7, 2017 2:24 PM +00:00

He'll never last the first term. He's firing on all amphetamine cylinders and there's no way with that bad diet, no sleep, the drugs to try and keep his mind focused, and his obviously advancing dementia, that they can prop him up for another 3+ years.
--R. Milhouse Nixon
replies 6Dec 7, 2017 2:27 PM +00:00

I don't agree with this decision but Republicans are not completely to blame.

If more democrats came out and voted in the last election for Clinton, or did not vote third party, this would not be happening. One again, Elections have fucking consequences. But people had to have their fucking purity tests and "Clinton was too corporate" bullshit. So here we are in this fucking mess.

Clinton, BTW, stated that Franken should not resign until Trump and Moore did. Sanders, meanwhile, was one of the thirty who happily threw Franken under the bus without a second thought.

And now people are throwing hissyfits and threatening not to vote democrat in 2018 and 2020.

replies 7Dec 7, 2017 2:29 PM +00:00

Sanders and Warren, both heroes of the progressive left, were quick to join in wanting Franken dismissed. Without an investigation (despite an ongoing ethics committee looking into the situation)

Clinton was in his corner the whole time.

Hate to say I told you.

Actually I don't: I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!

replies 8Dec 7, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

Dump the Dems.

replies 9Dec 7, 2017 2:35 PM +00:00

I am really starting to hate Warren. She is such a needy phony. Is this what people felt about Hillary?

replies 10Dec 7, 2017 2:40 PM +00:00

The Democrats setting a high standard of morality when the Republicans has zero standards is not a winning game plan. The Allegations on Franken are minor compared to the what Trump and Moore are accused of , and yet they are standing their ground. How is this a winning policy?

replies 11Dec 7, 2017 2:45 PM +00:00

I don't think any party that is beholden to the same corporate funders has higher moral standards than another.

replies 12Dec 7, 2017 2:48 PM +00:00

Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Kirsten Gillibrand and their ilk will never be president either. Franken should have stayed, now both democrats in the Senate from Minnesota will be on the ballot in 2018... gonna be hard to hold both those seats in a state which is kinda purple not counting presidential elections. Would hate to see Amy Klobouchar lose, I'm looking to her for 2020.

replies 13Dec 7, 2017 2:48 PM +00:00

Whose support were these Dem Senators trying to get? Women who vote GOP? They already don't care about this. Younger women who don't vote anyway? NONE of this makes any sense to me. I don't blame Franken for quitting, though I wish he hadn't. Just imagine working your ass off for your party and for women and having most of your friends and colleagues turn on you so publicly. Is this where the Dem Party is leading us? A hand on a waist is a grope? Anonymous allegations are fact and career ending? Where is the middle ground? Where are the normal people?

replies 14Dec 7, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

I think the Dems have decided to appease the younger generation of voters as best they can. That group is always crying for blood.

--They have no chill.
replies 15Dec 7, 2017 2:51 PM +00:00

Well, fuck the younger generation. They are the ones that are going to have live with the hell they are creating.

replies 16Dec 7, 2017 2:55 PM +00:00

I live in the Midwest, most people here in flyover country don't have high opinions of Liz Warren and she won't get Wisconsin in a general election. If she didn't get Wisconsin she'd lose Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Iowa, and other states with similar demographics.

replies 17Dec 7, 2017 2:56 PM +00:00

You're probably right, R15, but they are about to lose this 40 yr old with disposable income who used to enjoy volunteering with and donating to Dem campaigns. This is so disheartening.

replies 18Dec 7, 2017 2:59 PM +00:00

[qupte]Clinton, BTW, stated that Franken should not resign until Trump and Moore did.

She gave the entire party the talking point for this issue and none of them took it.


replies 19Dec 7, 2017 3:02 PM +00:00

Gillibrand, Harris, and Warren just made life a lot more difficult for Amy Klobuchar, one of their major competitors in the 2020 Presidential Race. This is strategic positioning, but it's bad for the country. Franken should never have been set upon by his Democratic colleagues. Have none of these senators ever read The Crucible?

replies 20Dec 7, 2017 3:02 PM +00:00

Yeah good job Democrats. The president is a pussy grabber but let's force out a guy on some barely harassment "tight grabs" and "almost boob touches"

replies 21Dec 7, 2017 3:05 PM +00:00

Fuck Gillibrand. She and other Dems were salivating for a sacrificial lamb so they could do some holier than thou grandstanding; the Republicans set up Franklin and the Dems didn't fucking care because they wanted their optics and political theatre. They threw away our strongest Democratic Senator. Stabbed him in the back. Gillibrand is making a practice of this, stabbing the Clintons in the back, stabbing Franken, people who've given her money, fund raised towards her. We former Gillibrand voters in New York are furious.

I knew Hillary would stand strong. That's why they fucking hate her. That's why the Democrats threw Franken away. They're all a bunch of needy egos who resented Hillary's success and resented that Franken kicked Sessions ass when the rest of them whiffed. I want a different political party. We can have four. The Republicans can have what they've got, the Dems can kiss my ass, the Bernie crowd can do their socialist thing and I want a party that isn't a bunch of fucking pedantic asshole WIMPS. This was my tipping point. All year the goddamn weak ass tweets from our side about Trump have been fucking useless. They all only worry about what something looks like and not what it actually is, and even that fucking thing they get wrong. They spit on the only people who do the work, send the money, and show up to fucking vote. That's what Gillibrand did. Hope she enjoys the private sector, she'll be back in it soon enough.

replies 22Dec 7, 2017 3:05 PM +00:00

Furthermore our side never had Hillary's back after the election, never defended her or spoke up for her, they pandered to fucking Bernie Sanders who is a professional grifter and continual parasite, they were weak and had no strategy to defend against Trump, not even good fucking WORDS did they come up with, just insipid pious statements, and most of the Democratic men were too busy saying they'd have won if they were the candidate to be any fucking good whatseover, except for Franken. So of course he had to go.

replies 23Dec 7, 2017 3:12 PM +00:00

YES R22. I want in on that party. I am so sick of this bullshit.

replies 24Dec 7, 2017 3:12 PM +00:00

Right, R12. That's why all the Dems voted for the tax bill. Oh, wait.

replies 25Dec 7, 2017 3:13 PM +00:00
She gave the entire party the talking point for this issue and none of them took it. Idiots.

You said it!
--Bill C.
replies 26Dec 7, 2017 3:18 PM +00:00

Fuck off, R26. Hillary shows what a strong woman can do. And in the face of opposition party smears against her husband.

replies 27Dec 7, 2017 3:26 PM +00:00
We former Gillibrand voters in New York are furious.

Good, get rid of her.

replies 28Dec 7, 2017 3:43 PM +00:00

Let's see: After the election every Democratic man who is asked, even if they have the charisma and track record of damp toilet tissue, claimed they'd have won. They commence fawning over Trump's advance man, Bernie, the guy who broke into the DNC data and then sued when they locked him out to resecure the data. The guy who used right wing tallking points to bash Hillary through July.

Tom Perez is voted in as DNC chair with the support of a lot of mainstream Hillary supporters who didn't want Bernie's stooge, Keith Ellison. Tom Perez's first move is a "Unity" tour with non-Democrat Bernie Sanders, who spends every appearance bashing Democrats instead of talking about how we can unify to defeat Trump. He refuses to endorse Osoff and endorses a pro-life guy instead but Perez, the head of a party whose base is WOMEN, does not care.

Elizabeth Warren says "Yes!" to "Was the primary rigged" before the question was even out of the interviewer's mouth. Pandering lying asshole. Another knife in Hillary's back and the backs of her millions of voters.

Senator Schumer makes Bernie outreach head or whatnot and also appoints a bunch of Russia-loving, Democrat hating, lying, gaslighting, Sanders-crats assholes to the committee.

Gillibrand supports Linda Sarsour. Gillibrand irresponsibly sells Bill Clinton down river. She'd have sold our Democracy down the river back then it seems, cause that was what was at stake with the ginned up 70 million dollar consensual blow job hunt. She insists on throwing Franken overboard ONLY because they want the theatre of censuring one of their own. That he was one of the best probably makes her happy - more room for her own ambition, which BTW she can kiss good'by.

Just everything with the DNC needing Hillary to raise money for them, which she does, then turning around and kissing Bernie's toes.

This isn't all about Bernie but that's a symptom. They have sold out their base just as much as the Repubs have trolled their base of white opiod addicted racists, long-unemployed coal miners and comfortable white assholes.

replies 29Dec 7, 2017 3:43 PM +00:00

R28, she will never get my vote. I've reached that point. I have always been a Democrat who will vote any Democrat over a Republican, because I'm pragmatic, and because the party matches my values and priorities. But I've hit a fucking wall. We live in a chaos era and maybe my little orderly responsible vote isn't the way to go. I will vote for a fucking cockroach before I vote for Gillibrand. I'll write in Al Franken in the primary and the general.

replies 30Dec 7, 2017 3:48 PM +00:00
Gillibrand supports Linda Sarsour.

I had no idea. I hate her even more now.

replies 31Dec 7, 2017 3:51 PM +00:00

^ Wow, that's a surprise. I thought she was a DINO/Third Way/triangularization kind of Democrat.

replies 32Dec 7, 2017 3:58 PM +00:00

I've stopped contributing money to the Democrats, it's just wasted on fools.

replies 33Dec 7, 2017 3:59 PM +00:00

I like Doug Jones. I loved that he called Bannon a carpetbagger. He's not going win in though.

replies 34Dec 7, 2017 4:02 PM +00:00

I listened to Michelangelo Signorile on Sirius today, and he had no patience for the callers who opposed this decision (most of the callers, btw) and as usual he got testy with them. He says this is tactical for 2018 and beyond, that middle aged men no longer matter to the DNC, that it's all about young women, and this is supposed to lure their votes. That seems pandering to me, as if young women are purely emotional and cannot see that the punishment does not meet this "crime". That the good Franken has done overshadows a misplaced hand here and there. It really pissed me off, on a few levels. If young women don't already see the difference between Democrats and Republicans, they're too dumb to vote.

replies 35Dec 7, 2017 4:11 PM +00:00

Which just goes to show how out of touch with the average American Signorile and the leadership of the Democratic party is, R35. And it just shows how fucking stupid their plan to sideline middle aged males is.

Fuck Signorile and fuck the democrats. This middle aged white male will keep my money in my pockets and take my vote where its wanted.

replies 36Dec 7, 2017 4:15 PM +00:00
I am really starting to hate Warren.

She's a weasel. She's let her lie stand about the DNC "rigging" the primaries.

Fuck her. Fuck Bernie.

Neither has a chance of being elected president.

replies 37Dec 7, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

We need someone to challenge Gillibrand in a primary. I'm over her, the sanctimonious twat.

replies 38Dec 7, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

Harris is another one who showed her true colors. If I were a Senate Democrat, I'd flee that caucus and sit as an independent.

replies 39Dec 7, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

Michelangelo Signorile should check out Gillibrand's twitter where she has gotten dragged to hell and back all day by everyone, but mostly women. She isn't winning one fucking vote with this stunt. And I hope Franken writes a book just in time for her 2020 White House run and buries her.

replies 40Dec 7, 2017 4:28 PM +00:00
He says this is tactical for 2018 and beyond, that middle aged men no longer matter to the DNC,

The Coastal Party loves to purge away wide swatches of the electorate.

replies 41Dec 7, 2017 4:30 PM +00:00

No more money to Democratic Party for me. I'll only give to individual candidates. If the party wants to focus on young women just beware. Younger voters do not turn out in off years. I hope that changes in 2018 but I'd be wary.

replies 42Dec 7, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

So did any Democrats confirm that young women wanted absolute belief of every accusation, even those stamped "personally delivered by Roger Stone"? I mean they say they're going for young women but have they checked what young women Dem voters want? Did they want Franken out? I bet as usual they made assumptions, just like they thought the WCC angle was the takeaway from the election for a hot second, just as they spat on the base to chase Bernie or busters. They threw him away for an unchecked theory. And while they are going after these theoretical young women voters did they contemplate the reaction of the voters they already have, or is it we have no place to go? Because I'm thisclose to going off grid, and I'm as sure a Dem vote as has ever existed.

replies 43Dec 7, 2017 4:48 PM +00:00

This thread is a perfect example of why we have Trump as President. All these people who claim to be Democrats stating "I will never vote for (insert name of a Democrat)"

A lot of Republicans held their noses and voted for Trump, even though they didn't really like him. Democrats would rather feel like they did the right thing, instead of WIN.

replies 44Dec 7, 2017 4:57 PM +00:00

I don't see voting for someone who doesn't represent me as "winning", r44. Sorry, but if pandering to millennial and younger women is the direction the party wants to take then it takes it without me. If this is any indication of the new decision making process then I'm not impressed.

replies 45Dec 7, 2017 5:03 PM +00:00
Michelangelo Signorile should check out Gillibrand's twitter where she has gotten dragged to hell and back all day by everyone, but mostly women.

Really? That's the best news I've heard all day.

replies 46Dec 7, 2017 6:02 PM +00:00

Gillibrand and Schumer co-sponsored a bill to punish American businesses that did not engage in trade with Israel. It is gross pandering and unconstitutional.

The more I hear about Gillibrand, the less I like her. Franken confronted Sessions, and was one of the very few Democrats in the Senate really willing to go after Trump and co-colluders as well as GOP legislation.

replies 47Dec 7, 2017 6:07 PM +00:00

Just checked out her twitter feed, I love all the women giving her shit.

replies 48Dec 7, 2017 6:09 PM +00:00

Gillibrand was an upstate NY nothing until Clinton ran. I have nothing against Clinton running, but Gillibrand got real full real fast...

replies 49Dec 7, 2017 6:22 PM +00:00

thank you, r22/23.

You speak my mind as well. Fuck these Berners and their stupid purity bullshit.

replies 50Dec 7, 2017 6:40 PM +00:00

R32, it's a new thing for her. She was a passionate HRC supporter, HRC was her heroine, etc. - as soon as the election was over she switched and turned into this THING. She's like almost every fucking Democrat today, going after imaginary voters - I think Gillibrand is trying to appeal to Bernie types, because we have SO many of them in a state where HRC kicked his ass, and she's cyncially using the #MeToo movement to create some phony female empowerment stunt with the other seven senators and ride the wave to political leverage against the Republicans. Because you know, moral high ground against an opponent that gives no fucks whatsoever is a sound strategy. Because the Repugs won't vote for Moore when they see our moral high ground of booting Franken without a hearing after he was set up by Roger Stone. The Repugs are all about moral values, so we've really made a case for Repug voters now. Moore may as well quit the race.

AND, btw, this is a woman, when asked directly on camera if Trump should resign over HIS sexual harrassment behavior, equivocated and couldn't answer.

replies 51Dec 7, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

You people are bizarre.

Just a note - last I heard, Amy Klobuchar had the highest popularity ratings in her home state of any Senator. She'll be re-elected.

Meanwhile, Franken would have had baggage getting re-elected. An appointee won't (especially not Tina Smith). So that seat will stay Democratic too. Gillibrand and the rest of them were obviously aware of all this.

So the Democratic Party upholds its values and retains its seats. What was the problem again?

replies 52Dec 7, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

The Democrats sold out its values. There was no due process. But thank you for coming in here and splaining to us all how we don't get it.

replies 53Dec 7, 2017 6:56 PM +00:00

The guy may be innocent and was denied due process, r52.

replies 54Dec 7, 2017 6:57 PM +00:00
ust imagine working your ass off for your party and for women and having most of your friends and colleagues turn on you so publicly.

Same treatment Dems gave Clinton after the election. And that includes Franken.

replies 55Dec 7, 2017 6:59 PM +00:00

Gillibrand wants to be in headlines

replies 56Dec 7, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00

The reaction to Gillibrand is overwhelmingly negative. Even MeToo band wagoners are jumping off.

replies 57Dec 7, 2017 7:14 PM +00:00

We HAVE to primary her. I am from out of state but will contribute to a candidate who gets rid of this professional asshole Gillibrand.... And if I were Franken, I would switch parties , move to another state and WIN

replies 58Dec 7, 2017 7:16 PM +00:00

Why bother voting for a Dem when the Repubs can just pay off someone to tell a story about them maybe grazing their hand one time or telling a dirty joke and they will immediately step down? The Rethugs win every time and there is just no point if Dems keep falling for it.

replies 59Dec 7, 2017 7:40 PM +00:00

It's even worse R59, the Dems keep using it to posture. They are always in "we have to prove ourselves" posture, always in a defensive position while the Republicans are arrogant as hell. The worst posture is that all this piety signaling is going to give them an advantage over the Republicans, which means the Dems are the party of STUPID. I think they're going to give in to the unity committee and punish every state that doesn't have open primaries, and they're going to enable and create more caucuses. What they did to Franken was for optics. They wanted that optic of seven women senators coming forward to call for Franken's resignation, make speeches, present a united front. They figured they'd be lifted by a tsunami of women in the #MeToo movement. Instead those woman saw this for what it was on both sides - that Franken was set up - i.e., women who were true victims had their experience exploited - and that the Dems took the exploitation and upped the ante. They see it as a betrayal and I have never seen so many woman so angry. It has the opposite impact those women planned. I've said it before, all of them put together aren't worth a hair on Hillary's head. Hillary would never have fallen for it. And the reason she has been beaten up for decades is she's as rare as a unicorn - a tough, smart Democrat. who takes the fight to the Republicans on the basics, not on who has the better optics. Franken was another one. And it's why jealous Dems don't support.

replies 60Dec 8, 2017 3:07 AM +00:00

The voters also saw that Franken took the fight to Sessions, made inroads, all in the name of protecting this country and its citizens from a lying, evil asshole. And the Dems, it turns out, were jealous, wanted his seat and his platform, and embraced the Republican sting operation as the chance to get him out.

replies 61Dec 8, 2017 3:09 AM +00:00

This was a no win situation. If Franken stayed, he would become a whipping boy. If 37 fellow senators tell you to resign, it would be hard for him to get anything done. Not that it matters, but he would become the poster boy for the repubs. This purity drive is a little crazy, but he became the sacfracial lamb. If this means more progressive dem women get elected, I'm fine with that. Women are way under represented in congress and we need to change that. I think some of the unintended consequences: Repub women will now have to up their game. They now, more than ever, look like handmaidens of the GOP.

Franken would be baggage at this point and I don't think he would have an easy time getting re-elected., if at all. He has never had a huge majority in his elections and this would provide alot of fodder.

I hate that this was done, but this is politics and it's a dirty game. For you asshats now withholding your support for the Dems, you have been played. Some of our heros are dirty. (Ahem John Edwards) This is a wake up call that if you want to be a progressive, you have to show respect.

replies 62Dec 8, 2017 3:24 AM +00:00
Identity politics and moral superiority don't appeal to people outside of Los Angeles, San Francisco, and NYC.

When "moral superiority" means (the right wing bastardization of) Christianity it does. Claim to be pro-life like Trump does and suddenly you're a godly man bringing Jesus back to the White House, after anti-Christ Obama kicked him out. But it's true that it only applies to THAT kind of moral superiority. The Christian right doesn't care if someone sexually assaults their daughters, apparently.

replies 63Dec 8, 2017 3:38 AM +00:00

"I hate that this was done, but this is politics and it's a dirty game. For you asshats now withholding your support for the Dems, you have been played."

Hey asshat, the only people who got played were you idiotic SJW's and your champions, like Gillibrand and McCaskill. Roger Stone and other Republican operatives set Franken up and you morons took the bait and ran with it. One less Democratic bell to answer for the Republicans and once again, thanks to political neophytes like you, Democrats end up with egg on their face while Republicans merrily and giddily roll on.

replies 64Dec 8, 2017 4:03 AM +00:00

The Dems proved just how bankrupt they are by their inclusion of the bigot Ellison on the DNC roster. Franken's being ridden out on the rails is simply another manifestation of Dem bankruptcy.

replies 65Dec 8, 2017 4:12 AM +00:00

This thread is laugh out loud delusional.

Do you people genuinely think HILLARY is the story here? That she's the biggest victim of mass hysteria? If anything, she's an early precursor of this hysteria wave. She's the one who last year tried to weaponize misogyny accusations against another progressive politician,Bernie Sanders.

Gillibrand was an early Hillary surrogate in the primaries, you retards, she's ON YOUR TEAM. This story IS NOT about you Hillbots, your Mommy Hillary, or Bernie.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand said Sanders doesn't understand "how horrible it is" for families victim of gun violence.
NY Daily News
replies 66Dec 8, 2017 4:14 AM +00:00

God save us......

Have mercy on our country..........

Make Trump go away..........

End this vindictive little bitch's reign of terror........

He's worse than Rhoda Penmark.........

replies 67Dec 8, 2017 4:17 AM +00:00

Why is Keith Ellison a bigot? I don’t know anything about him.

replies 68Dec 8, 2017 4:17 AM +00:00

I know Andrew Sullivan is hated here, but I think there's something to his take:

"All of this will surely affect who comes forward in the future. A woman violated by a Democrat will be likelier to go public — because it gets results. A woman violated by a Republican will fear she could be easily demonized as a liar, a conspirator, or a fraud, and understandably be reluctant to put herself through that. And so the accusations may well mount against Democrats and liberals and diminish somewhat among Republicans and conservatives. Democratic standards for sexual conduct may well keep rising, while Republican standards may keep falling. I see no reason why this ratchet shouldn’t continue, and why Democrats aren’t, in fact, unilaterally disarming themselves in what is a purely tribal war, where all objective moral or even epistemological standards become relative."

replies 69Dec 8, 2017 4:22 AM +00:00

r68 Because he's Muslim and supported Bernie. That's how Hillbots roll.

replies 70Dec 8, 2017 4:31 AM +00:00

Im upset about Franken resigning as well. I think he was torpedoed by the rightwing.

I also think this was largely demanded by the snowflake wing of the party, which helped trump get his upset win that is doing so much to fuck up the country.

All that said ...

... we also have to ask ourselves how much we have to become like rightwingers to “win,” and if we have to be clones of them, well, what are we?

replies 71Dec 8, 2017 4:39 AM +00:00

From The Baltimore Sun, Rutherford is right: it's better when bigotry is known

A more recent example to consider, at the other end of the political spectrum, is the current debate concerning U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison, a Minnesota Democrat and candidate for chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee.

In the 1990s, Mr. Ellison was an activist with the Nation of Islam, which is headed by the unabashedly anti-Semitic Rev. Louis Farrakhan. In 1995, Mr. Ellison helped organize a rally featuring the equally anti-Semitic Farrakhan adviser Khalid Abdul Muhammad. Also that year, Mr. Ellison wrote that Mr. Farrakhan "is not an anti-Semite." Later, when Mr. Ellison ran for Congress, he disavowed his previous association with Mr. Farrakhan.

But just last week, an audio recording surfaced of Mr. Ellison — in 2010, as a U.S. congressman — privately asserting that America's Middle East policy is secretly "governed" by Israel and its American Jewish supporters. On the tape, Mr. Ellison's voice drips with ridicule as he claims that American Jews "beat back" President George H.W. Bush in 1991 and told the president, "We want our money and we want it now."

The Anti-Defamation League called Mr. Ellison's remarks "deeply disturbing and disqualifying" because they "raise the specter of age-old stereotypes about Jewish control of our government." Democratic Party leaders will have to decide whether they agree with the ADL's assessment. But the most important thing is that they have all the facts at their disposal.

Lieutenant Governor Rutherford may not have had Keith Ellison in mind when he said last week that there are benefits from having unpleasant private sentiments aired publicly. But there is no doubt that knowing what Mr. Ellison has said in private about Jews and Israel will help the Democrats make a fully informed decision about who should chair their party.

replies 72Dec 8, 2017 4:48 AM +00:00

R72 shut the fuck up and go back to breitbart you racist trouble making troll!

replies 73Dec 8, 2017 5:08 AM +00:00

The funny thing, with everything that happened this week, is that people would try to deny that Israel owns the US govt.

replies 74Dec 8, 2017 5:15 AM +00:00
For you asshats

Another Midwestern moron who is too holy to use the actual word "asshole" and has invented a retarded non-word to which you stamp your little feet.

replies 75Dec 8, 2017 5:26 AM +00:00
Furthermore our side never had Hillary's back after the election, never defended her or spoke up for her,

So true R23. We don't stand by our kind. We just try to score points over each other and bring the whole side down.

replies 76Dec 8, 2017 5:32 AM +00:00

R73 highlights yet further bankruptcy in that pointing out Black bigotry is "racist". Scapegoating Jews, well, that's the American way, isn't it. See R74 for details.

replies 77Dec 8, 2017 5:34 AM +00:00
Scapegoating Jews, well, that's the American way, isn't it

No, isn't. Bending over and taking it up the ass financially from the Jews is the American way. No one is doing better in the USA in the 21st century than the Jews are.

replies 78Dec 8, 2017 6:14 AM +00:00
Scapegoating Jews, well, that's the American way, isn't it. See [R74] for details.

R78 unashamedly reiterates the point. Just another day of life in bigoted America.

replies 79Dec 8, 2017 6:17 AM +00:00

Next time someone says that gays are "progressive" and not bigoted/racist, point them toward R74 R78.

replies 80Dec 8, 2017 6:25 AM +00:00
Im upset about Franken resigning as well. I think he was torpedoed by the rightwing.

The rightwingers in question:

Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Patty Murray of Washington, Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire, Kamala Harris of California, Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Sen. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Maria Cantwell of Washington, Dianne Feinstein of California, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Mazie Hirono of Hawaii also joined in the call for Franken to resign.

Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania was the first male Democratic senator to call on Franken to resign just after noon Wednesday. Sens. Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Michael Bennet of Colorado, Ed Markey of Massachusetts, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Ron Wyden of Oregon, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, Sen. Tom Udall of New Mexico, Tom Carper of Delaware, Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Jeff Merkley of Oregon, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Gary Peters of Michigan, Jon Tester of Montana and Sherrod Brown of Ohio also called for Franken to step down. Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois -- the Democratic whip -- also called on Franken to resign just before 1 p.m. ET. Independent Sens. Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont, who both caucus with the Democrats, also called for him to resign.

Blaming the "rightwing" for a progressive purge is a childish denial of reality.

replies 81Dec 8, 2017 9:02 AM +00:00

SIX women complain about him (and likely more), and you all are concerned about due process? I like him too and I'm sad to see him go, but face it, he obviously had a problem. It's interesting to see that even a lot of gay guys don't take women seriously.

--R52 (gay guy)
replies 82Dec 8, 2017 9:07 AM +00:00

The Dems have been pitifully played yet again. Gillibrand and every other Dem Senator who jumped on the bandwagon--with absolutely no due process, no investigation, no delineation between what Franken was accused of and what Trump brags about, no massive demands and outcry for Trump's immediate resignation or Moore's stepping aside--are fucking idiots. Pitifully played. And why the Repigs will be in control for many, many years to come. They know how easy it is to play to the ridiculous insistence by the Dems to take the "high road" against a group of people who have absolutely no shame or moral compass. Fuck every single Dem Senator and Representative. This country is fucked and the SJW's are not going to save it.

replies 83Dec 8, 2017 9:25 AM +00:00
Just another day of life in bigoted America.

The USA recognizes Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and STILL you pretend to be the victim!

When Israel was being founded, President Harry Truman, whose strong support of Zionism was somehow considered insufficient, wound up saying of the Jews, "Jesus Christ himself couldn't please them! How the hell can I?" If Trump were to incinerate the Palestinians, R83 would just gripe about the smell and the ashes.

replies 84Dec 8, 2017 9:30 AM +00:00
Blaming the "rightwing" for a progressive purge is a childish denial of reality.

Speaking of a childish denial of reality: you are aware this was planted by Sean Hannity and Roger Stone, right?

replies 85Dec 8, 2017 9:54 AM +00:00

Times like this make me wish LBJ was alive to knock some heads and get folks together while taking a shit.

replies 86Dec 8, 2017 9:59 AM +00:00

The Dems are always on the defensive, especially when it is obvious that the Republicans should be

This happened right when all the damning stuff about Moore was coming out, then, all of a sudden Al Franken is resigning (?!!) [due to vague claims from some Trump supporters..??.]. Then, at this time, the Dems decide to attack Bill Clinton, too....[?!]

They need someone to say clearly - This is political bs, they are Trump supporters and this is to deflect from the serious Moore allegations, and the President does not have a leg to stand on in this matter.

Instead they are on the defensive, and Al Franken (who could have taken on Trump, probably the only one), resigns.

replies 87Dec 8, 2017 10:06 AM +00:00

The Dems are so out of touch, they have no idea how superficial and politically calculating they look. Or they don't care. Gillibrand, throws Hillary, then Franken under the bus - some of their strongest candidates. And she supports a dangerous fraud like Linda Sarsour.

replies 88Dec 8, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

So, if the Democrats can't defend themselves, how can they defend the country? And if they can't do that, why should they be elected to lead and run it?

replies 89Dec 8, 2017 10:35 AM +00:00

Channel flipping, i briefly saw Karl Rove on Fox bragging that Minnesota is now in play since HRC barely won there, and Franken resigned under pressure.

While a good Democrat should be able to hold the Minnesota senate seat, it is obvious the Republicans will try to play there.

replies 90Dec 8, 2017 1:03 PM +00:00

They got nine women to complain about Bill and Starr found nothing. Right after Franken owns Sessions, here come six women with weak stories. One of the women pulled her dialogue straight out of Trump's Access Hollywood tape.

It wasn't No Win. That kind of second guessing is bullshit. Investigate, and if he comes up culpable, then decide if the degree and nature of his offense warrants his resignation. If not, or if it's all b.s., he stays. The Dems are like - but if we support him and he comes up guilty, we look stupid. Worrying about how we look is what makes us look weak. Our example to the other side, even though they'll piss on it is, this is how it works. Work on it, look into it, then consider what is found. Franken was no win only because with every female senator grandstanding against him, his own optics would look bad as a champion of women's rights. But IMO he's a better champion of women's rights than any of the women who decided to take him out because it looked like a good photo op.

replies 91Dec 8, 2017 2:32 PM +00:00

Thank you for mansplainng that to us r91.

replies 92Dec 8, 2017 2:40 PM +00:00

I'm a woman, R92, and you're a Trumper or a Berniecrat, cause they have no game. Their only argument is "I know you are, but what am I?" That's what you just did borrowing the "explaining" comment in the post way above yours.

replies 93Dec 8, 2017 2:47 PM +00:00

Just so R75 can stop himself from playing the fool in the future, 'asshole' and 'asshat' are two different things. Asshat refers to someone who has their head up their ass. Hence, the ass is a hat. See how that works? An asshole is and shall forever be, an asshole.

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replies 95Dec 8, 2017 4:26 PM +00:00

R29, you're right, but Franken was part of that too, saying HRC needed to go away and making that crack that made it sound like he agreed that Dems were all "limousine liberals."

replies 96Dec 8, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00

If a Rethug gets Franken's seat we're dead.

Democrats need to stop talking about everything other than the economy. That's it. Not immigration, not abortion, gun control, Russia, nothing. They have to sound the way Trump pretended to sound those last few weeks in the states Hillary never bothered to even visit. They need to sound like Bernie. If most of what they're saying is bullshit, still say it. The economy and lack of a decent life for so many is all anyone wants to hear about.

We cannot win by just saying the other side sucks. They have to make an economic plane (one actually workable or not) to get decent money to everyone, not huge amounts, just livable. Talk jobs, talk government help for those who can't. Say what they need to get elected. They have to play the game the Rethug way and once they get the WH, Congress and Senate there is time to tell the truth, as long as they do really try to help people and don't pull and Obama and kiss up to the Rethugs and let them run the show even when Ds are in charge of everything like O's first 2 years. He blew it.

replies 97Dec 8, 2017 5:03 PM +00:00

trump was bragging at his rally today that "in a few years it will be very hard to stop us."

replies 98Dec 8, 2017 5:15 PM +00:00

Women are going to discover that from this moment on it's going to become difficult to find a job that pays well. And I think that you will find Thai if a job can be filled by a man or a woman, the man's gonna get the job after this #MeToo fiasco. Women don't seem to realize that this is one giant step backward. And in Hollywood, women will become poison.

replies 99Dec 8, 2017 5:32 PM +00:00

Right, R99, because Hollywood doesn't need actresses. What's your alternative? Women should just stay silent? There are degrees of misconduct and assault. This needs to be defined further. Franken was, at most, misdemeanor level misconduct versus Trump and Moore's felonies. The women aren't the problem. Men need to grow the fuck up or get the fuck out.

replies 100Dec 8, 2017 6:31 PM +00:00

She won't be president. Lacks gravitas and basic loyalty. Kamala's the way to go.

replies 101Dec 9, 2017 4:00 PM +00:00

I still will never understand why they all claimed to have been so traumatized that they could barely go on, yet they never reported the sexual abuse? I'm sure they shared their stories with everyone except the police, or at the very least, a lawyer. A counselor? Why........then twenty years later they decide its time to speak up? Just not getting this.

replies 102Dec 9, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

I don't think the Franken one is real.

replies 103Dec 9, 2017 4:30 PM +00:00

When the Repigs go low, we need to go lower. The Dems are not going to win being righteous and good.

replies 104Dec 9, 2017 4:54 PM +00:00

I remember when Gillibrand first took over for Hillary DL was repulsed by her yellow teeth. She seems to have had them fixed since but Kamala is still more fabulous.

replies 105Dec 9, 2017 5:15 PM +00:00

Kampala got in on the Franken backstabbing as well. And her dowdy suits bring to mind the 90s.

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replies 108Dec 10, 2017 9:48 AM +00:00

She's trending on Twitter right now because Trump implied she's a whore. Yes, seriously.

Lightweight Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a total flunky for Chuck Schumer and someone who would come to my office “begging” for campaign contributions not so long ago (and would do anything for them), is now in the ring fighting against Trump. Very disloyal to Bill & Crooked-USED!
replies 109Dec 12, 2017 5:17 AM +00:00

He's such a sorry, petty piece of shit.

replies 110Dec 12, 2017 5:25 AM +00:00

He's not wrong though.

replies 111Dec 12, 2017 6:58 AM +00:00