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Question for the Eldergays about the Patty Duke Show

Why the fuck were they identical cousins and not just twins? Was this concept controversial in the 1940's?

replies 50Dec 7, 2017 9:21 AM +00:00

Because as cousins, they came from different parts of the world, which created many plot possibilities/contrasts. Cathy was from Scotland and Patty was from...NBC Studios or something.

replies 1Dec 7, 2017 9:27 AM +00:00

The Patty Duke show took place in the 60s. IMDb is your friend

replies 2Dec 7, 2017 9:30 AM +00:00

1940's? OP must be a clueless millennial.

replies 3Dec 7, 2017 9:33 AM +00:00

Why did they let Patty Duke get away with doing neither a Scottish nor a British accent?

replies 4Dec 7, 2017 9:36 AM +00:00

Has anyone ever encountered identical cousins in real life?

replies 5Dec 7, 2017 9:41 AM +00:00

Well - strictly speaking - patty and Cathy would have been born in the 1940s - so maybe OP was questioning the social mores of legitimacy and the ethics of splitting up a pair of identical twins back then when they were babies?

Or yeah - he’s just a clueless millennial.

replies 6Dec 7, 2017 9:42 AM +00:00
Why did they let Patty Duke get away with doing neither a Scottish nor a British accent?

Why did they let Hayley Mills get away with not doing an American accent?

replies 7Dec 7, 2017 9:52 AM +00:00

Cathy did have a distinct Scottish brogue in the first few shows, but it was softened considerably after viewers complained that they couldn't understand what she was saying.

--Ross Lane
replies 8Dec 7, 2017 9:57 AM +00:00

Elder here !!!! It didn't matter. I loved the show but I guess I'm dumb cause I never stopped to think that there's no such as: " But they're cousins, identical cousins all the way, one pair of matching bookends.....different as night and day....Cathy enjoys a minuet the ballet ruse and crepes Suzette but Patty loves to rock and roll....A hot dog makes her lose control....

Sorry about that rambling . I was so sad finding out as an adult that Patty was abused by her "managers" who were like surrogate parents. When she went to a funeral, they made her go as Cathy, not herself. And all the mental health issues she had.....with her background she never had a chance ....sigh

replies 9Dec 7, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00
And all the mental health issues she had.....with her background she never had a chance ....sigh

Her father was an alcoholic - who left them when she was six - then her mother tried to kill herself in front of the kids.

replies 10Dec 7, 2017 10:26 AM +00:00

I love these threads where OP wants a rational explanation for some aspect of a TV sitcom.

replies 11Dec 7, 2017 10:36 AM +00:00

Patty Duke said that ironically, she felt more comfortable playing the quieter Cathy from Scotland, rather than the more mod and madcap American teen Patty (supposedly fashioned after herself.) she said she had no idea how to approach playing a regular American teen, as she wasn't one, herself.

replies 12Dec 7, 2017 10:40 AM +00:00
1940's? OP must be a clueless millennial.


ffs, are they s too stupid or too lazy to use the google machine?

replies 13Dec 7, 2017 10:43 AM +00:00

I loved the Patty Duke Show! As for relatives that look alike, my uncle and I are nearly identical (though years apart), so it can happen - perhaps not as identical as Patty and Cathy. Off topic: I thought Eddie Applegate, Patty's boyfriend Richard, was very handsome. Let's talk about him.
replies 14Dec 7, 2017 11:05 AM +00:00

Eddie Applegate would fit right in here. He was like 40 years old during the show's run but thought he didn't look a day over 16.

replies 15Dec 7, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00

This show needed a transwoman.

replies 16Dec 7, 2017 12:58 PM +00:00

What [R1] said.Eddie Applegate was in his late twenties I believe,but was great as Richard.I always watched it for Ross.He was so funny to me.

replies 17Dec 7, 2017 1:46 PM +00:00

Does anyone remember the episode where Patty adopts a Korean orphan via a mail order ad? And the Korean orphan was played by a hispanic kid? I guess most people didn't know what Koreans looked like back then.

replies 18Dec 7, 2017 2:02 PM +00:00

I had a crush on Eddie Applegate.

Eddie Applegate in The Patty Duke Show (1963)
replies 19Dec 7, 2017 2:51 PM +00:00

R5 I have. Or nearly so. Phyllis Newman had (has?) a cousin named Phyllis Newman. As young women, identical.

replies 20Dec 7, 2017 3:00 PM +00:00

I just watched a couple episodes this morning (including the one with Sal Mineo)! She really was such a good actress. Say what you will about the banality of much of the sitcom writing and plot lines of the time, she did manage to create two different and realistic characters.

replies 21Dec 7, 2017 3:03 PM +00:00

Then there's Samantha and Serena.
replies 22Dec 7, 2017 3:07 PM +00:00

Were blonde Jeannie and brunette Jeannie cousins or sisters?
replies 23Dec 7, 2017 3:08 PM +00:00

Well, the song was about identical cousins - not identical twins. They would have to get a new song if the show was about identical twins.

--Songs cost a lot of money.
replies 24Dec 7, 2017 3:59 PM +00:00

R24 maybe they were identical twins separated at birth, then raised as cousins (?)

replies 25Dec 7, 2017 4:05 PM +00:00

R5: A very good friend of mine has an identical cousin who lives in Germany. Even more ironically, the cousin was briefly married to my friend's 1st husband (after my friend dumped the husband).

replies 26Dec 7, 2017 4:10 PM +00:00

If comparing identical-adjacent characters , Elizabeth Montgomery wins. Even in the early days, her Serena was consistently different enough and improved as the show wore on.

Barbara Eden seemed to rely more on vocal tricks to differentiate.

As for Patty Duke, sure she was younger and maybe had less experience as an actress. But overall, she didn't consistently bring much difference between what's-her-name and cousin what's-her-name.

replies 27Dec 7, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

3 Identical Cousins 3 - Don't forget OP, their was a third. Blond with southern accent.
--Very Eve White, Eve Black, and.......Jane
replies 28Dec 7, 2017 4:23 PM +00:00

THERE dammit THERE!!!!!

replies 29Dec 7, 2017 4:24 PM +00:00

Um they were identical because they were played by the same actress. It's called a gimmick. Uproarious identity hijinks.

replies 30Dec 7, 2017 4:31 PM +00:00
Why the fuck were they identical cousins and not just twins? Was this concept controversial in the 1940's?

They were twins, but their mother was an underdressed whore and TV wasn't ready to admit that.

--Dame Angie — you may have won the Oscar but I still outlived you
replies 31Dec 7, 2017 4:35 PM +00:00

Greatest TV theme song ever

replies 32Dec 7, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

I love the theme song, but it's No. 2 behind The Pruitts of Southampton, Phyllis Diller's short-lived sitcom.

replies 33Dec 7, 2017 4:54 PM +00:00

Barbara Eden was a terrible actress. She somehow has survived telling that story about Desi Arnaz putting the moves on her when she played a small pat 500 years ago.

replies 34Dec 7, 2017 7:28 PM +00:00

Eden wasn't subtle but she was actually an excellent performer in her exuberant niche, especially in musicals. She was a great belter and did a lot of musicals in stock. She was fantastic as Lalume in a 1960s ABC TV version of Kismet. Clips used to be available on youtube, I don't know whether they are still there.

replies 35Dec 7, 2017 7:43 PM +00:00

Still there r35!

A small cut out of movie Kismet 1967 showing gorgeous Barbara Eden singing and dancing wonderfully! This is SO fabulous that I just had to edit it and share....
replies 36Dec 8, 2017 9:52 AM +00:00
R35 She was fantastic as Lalume in a 1960s ABC TV version of Kismet.

And thankfully, her best work is preserved on YouTube....such as SPINNING WHEEL.

No copyright infrigument. Circa 1970. This video was shown on Chicago's WGN morning news on 4/24/09 while interviewing Barbara Eden. Here's the link to Barba...
replies 37Dec 8, 2017 10:20 AM +00:00

Barbara when she did Sally Bowles at the Roy Moore Dinner Theater.

No copyright infringement intended! Visit I have permission from video clip owner Barbarafan to upload this. A MUST SEE!!! Barbara Eden bein...
--Lolita, My Love opening next week!
replies 38Dec 8, 2017 10:52 AM +00:00

R38 if only she had founded a Barbara Eden Dinner Theater, like the Burt Reynolds Dinner Theater in Florida. She could have done THE CLASSICS!

So much time lost....

replies 39Dec 8, 2017 11:12 AM +00:00

Barbara Eden IS Medea!

Barbara Eden IS Hedda Gabler!

Barbara Eden IS Camille!

replies 40Dec 8, 2017 12:38 PM +00:00

Does anyone have video from Barbara Eden's run as Mother Courage?

replies 41Dec 8, 2017 5:35 PM +00:00

No r41, but I have the spot remover commercial she did dressed as Lady MacBeth.

replies 42Dec 8, 2017 5:48 PM +00:00

Can we please stick to the topic on hand, Patty Duke. Thank You!

replies 43Dec 8, 2017 6:10 PM +00:00

I'd rather discuss her identical cousin Doris.

replies 44Dec 8, 2017 6:12 PM +00:00


replies 45Feb 2, 2018 3:17 PM +00:00

My father had an identical cousin. Seriously. When they were kids they could fool each other's parents. They looked and sounded alike. I can't vouch for the sound but I saw pictures. They were identical. They lost track of each other after high school. Rumor was the cousin died in WWII.

replies 46Feb 2, 2018 5:10 PM +00:00

A friend of mine has an identical couisin who married her first husband. Fortunately the cousin dumped him, too.

replies 47Feb 2, 2018 5:30 PM +00:00

Here's Cathy who takes it anywhere

in the mouth or derriere

While Patty's on her knees at night

Rimming guys in Brooklyn Heights

--You can lose your mind....
replies 48Feb 2, 2018 5:41 PM +00:00

A hot dog makes her lose control.

replies 49Feb 2, 2018 8:58 PM +00:00

Jeannie 2 was her sister, not cousin

replies 50Feb 2, 2018 9:49 PM +00:00