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"FEUD" leads Critics Choice nominations!

That abysmal mess Big Little Lies will win nothing.
replies 80Dec 6, 2017 7:19 AM +00:00

Of course your link is tumblr.

replies 1Dec 6, 2017 7:22 AM +00:00

OP's thread is useless since he didn't even include a link.

Here are the critics choice nominations for TV.

FX’s “Feud: Bette and Joan” led the Broadcast Television Assn.’s Critics’ Choice Television Awards nominations with six mentions, including best limited series and bes…
replies 2Dec 6, 2017 7:23 AM +00:00

People will always love Joan Crawford and Bette Davis. Their timeless.

replies 3Dec 6, 2017 7:24 AM +00:00

I'm very happy to see "GLOW" got recognized with several nominations.

replies 4Dec 6, 2017 7:24 AM +00:00

“Feud” got just one more nomination than “Big Little Lies.”

It also earned two more Emmy nominations than the HBO series earlier this year, and look how that turned out. Zero major Emmys, but it did win for Makeup and Hairstyling!

replies 5Dec 6, 2017 7:34 AM +00:00

Yeah r5 makes the obvious point. Feud got a ton of emmy nominations, it was still largely snubbed when it came to taking them home.

replies 6Dec 6, 2017 7:35 AM +00:00

So they've got Asia Kate Dillon from Billions in the supporting actor category. Fine, I guess. But Walter Goggins is a co-lead in Vice Principals.

replies 7Dec 6, 2017 7:53 AM +00:00

R5 Big Little Lies is exactly what it's titled.

replies 8Dec 6, 2017 8:13 AM +00:00

The Emmys was always going to be the best shot “Feud” had for a major win, since their winners usually skew older and more traditional than the other awards shows (Lange won for “Grey Gardens,” then lost the other major ones to her co-star Drew Barrymore).

It’ll lose these awards, then the Globes, then the SAG awards. But every time, people will insist that this is when Lange will finally beat Nicole Kidman. And it’ll never happen.

replies 9Dec 6, 2017 8:19 AM +00:00

R9 We'll see.

--Susan Sarandon, Not Nominated
replies 10Dec 6, 2017 8:29 AM +00:00

Lange won the Critics Choice Award for AHS: Coven.

She's winning it again for Feud.

--And the Globe and the SAG.
replies 11Dec 6, 2017 8:31 AM +00:00

These are not important awards.

replies 12Dec 6, 2017 8:40 AM +00:00

What could've been a perversely satirical long-running joke became a forceful examination of women's issues and the horror of Hollywood's inner machinations thanks in large part to Lange's measured portrayal of Joan Crawford. Steeped in research -- as well as a compassionate view of a woman who's become a caricature -- Lange's Crawford is still scary, yes, but played with so much empathy, control and simmering rage that Lange's shifts from furor to desperate to vulnerable feel tectonic every time. Forget any of her previous Ryan Murphy collabs, Lange has never shined like this before on TV

<p>What could've been a perversely satirical long-running joke became a forceful examination of women's issues and the horror of Hollywood's inner machinations thanks in large part to Lange's measured…
replies 13Dec 6, 2017 8:42 AM +00:00
Their timeless.

Oh, dear.

replies 14Dec 6, 2017 8:44 AM +00:00

I love how all the major papers are actually using op's thread title or a variation of...

AFTER he posted it.

FX’s “Feud: Bette and Joan” led the Broadcast Television Assn.’s Critics’ Choice Television Awards nominations with six mentions, including best limited series and bes…
--Tee Hee
replies 15Dec 6, 2017 1:18 PM +00:00

I think it’s interesting Sarandon was snubbed. Was it because of her dreadful politics?

replies 16Dec 6, 2017 1:24 PM +00:00

R16 I dont think so. I think it's indicative of the Critics finding Lange and the rest of the nominees better. It's also the first sign that Lange is winning.

Even if Kidman had a shot (what a truly tepid performance) she'll split with Witherspoon.

replies 17Dec 6, 2017 1:30 PM +00:00
I love how all the major papers are actually using op's thread title or a variation of...AFTER he posted it.

Do you always refer to yourself in the third person, OP? You *are* OP.

replies 18Dec 6, 2017 1:34 PM +00:00

R18 I Am.

--I Am
replies 19Dec 6, 2017 2:46 PM +00:00

You are also making shit up. That was the original variety headline. I linked it back at r2. This OP is tiresome.

replies 20Dec 6, 2017 2:47 PM +00:00


Oh, dear.

replies 21Dec 6, 2017 2:47 PM +00:00

I think this clip is lovely. I hope you get your wish, OP. You know I love you.

This was one of the best scenes in the series. The song fits like a glove with Joan's emotional demise. I swear I get a buzz from such fine filmmaking. Thank...
replies 22Dec 6, 2017 3:51 PM +00:00

Sally Struthers on Joan Crawford.

A 2017 interview with "All In The Family" actress Sally Struthers. Struthers recalls her experience on "The Tim Conway Comedy Hour" and working with Joan Cra...
replies 23Dec 6, 2017 4:14 PM +00:00

R23 omg. Joan filing her nails.

--Lange Truly Nailed Her
replies 24Dec 6, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

Better quality, R22.

replies 25Dec 6, 2017 4:23 PM +00:00

This sequence was everything.

Joan hallucinates seeing Jack and Hedda in her apartment having a party, where she joins them and is later joined by Bette.
replies 26Dec 6, 2017 4:29 PM +00:00

Forgot to post better quality vid.

Joan's personal struggles are revealed as she films her last picture
replies 27Dec 6, 2017 4:30 PM +00:00

The above is actually part 3/3. 1 and 2 are below.

Joan hallucinates seeing Jack and Hedda in her apartment having a party, where she joins them and is later joined by Bette.
replies 28Dec 6, 2017 4:32 PM +00:00

Pt. 2.

Joan hallucinates seeing Jack and Hedda in her apartment having a party, where she joins them and is later joined by Bette.
replies 29Dec 6, 2017 4:32 PM +00:00

OP, I'm pretty sure you also a gifted pianist (we're anonymous, so I could be wrong), but I if you're the same guy, I'm not a match for you, but I really do treasure you. From what I've seen, you're very sexy (HAF, to be honest) and you're one of the most interesting men I know on DL. The only thing I want to say: protect your heart: you're a vulnerable soul. The Emmy thread left you hurt, and I felt your hurt, too. You're a really fine man.

replies 30Dec 6, 2017 4:33 PM +00:00

R30 Not I.

--Not I.
replies 31Dec 6, 2017 4:34 PM +00:00

Some of the other nomiees didn't deserve it. Chrissy Metz sucks as an actress. Mayim Bialik needs to stop getting nominations too.

replies 32Dec 6, 2017 4:53 PM +00:00

Will Jackie Hoffman have a meltdown when she loses another award?

replies 33Dec 6, 2017 4:58 PM +00:00

God. Lange was terrible. No clue of the Crawford character, or even the superficial mannerisms.

And we have to keep being reminded of it? Shit.

replies 34Dec 6, 2017 5:00 PM +00:00

Her backstort,

Joan Crawford - From Baby to 73 Year Old
replies 35Dec 6, 2017 5:14 PM +00:00

Jessica Lange as Joan Crawford is the worst performance ever given by a major actress. It's sad to witness what she's been reduced to by that HACK Murphy. She's absolutely wrong for the part. As a matter of fact, I began to hate her after Feud.

replies 36Dec 6, 2017 6:12 PM +00:00

From TV Guide this week:
replies 37Dec 6, 2017 6:14 PM +00:00

And the the Critics Choice goes to... Nicole Kidman, for Big Little Lies!!!!

(rapturous applause)

replies 38Dec 6, 2017 6:21 PM +00:00

It's not happening, Nic.

replies 39Dec 7, 2017 2:58 AM +00:00
I think it’s interesting Sarandon was snubbed.

Define snubbed.

--J. Lange
replies 40Dec 7, 2017 4:04 AM +00:00

R40 I see what you did there!

replies 41Dec 7, 2017 4:11 AM +00:00

I can't take reviews and critics like R13 seriously. Has she even seen a Joan Crawford film or interview or done any research herself (as much as she'd like to give Lange credit for it)? Lange didn't capture one iota of Crawford. Not in looks. Not in mannerisms. Not in voice. Nothing. She was just playing a variation of one of her bitchy grand dame AHS characters. Sure, Lange can be a great actress and can make you weep like nobody's business, but that doesn't mean that her Joan Crawford was a success. It wasn't. Articles like that just come off like they're kissing her ass. If they were honest and had done proper research, they'd know that Lange failed in almost every way to bring Crawford to life.

replies 42Dec 7, 2017 7:33 AM +00:00

See r42? Mimicking a real life figure isn't as easy as it appears.

replies 43Dec 7, 2017 7:35 AM +00:00

R34 You're tiresome, Matthew.

Move on, please.

--Joan C.
replies 44Dec 7, 2017 7:36 AM +00:00

I will finish R3 [quote] their timeless

performances are better than this fun piece of trash.

replies 45Dec 7, 2017 7:38 AM +00:00

I just love how asshats like R42 presume to know one iota about Joan.

Lange captured her exquisitely.

Joan Crawford's First Ever TV Interview....1956
--You're Just Tired and Bitter
replies 46Dec 7, 2017 7:44 AM +00:00

As it should. Lange's work was a tour de force and Sarandon was very good as well (even though I have come to loath her stupid mess of a mind.)

replies 47Dec 7, 2017 7:58 AM +00:00

Agree with you R46. Frightened, damaged, steely ambitious woman who in a mountain of insecurity wanted to (and did ) succeed to become a major film star, although at cost to herself and those around her. It all practically screams at you in that BBC clip.

replies 48Dec 7, 2017 8:03 AM +00:00

R48 that's you projecting. Also, if you knew anything about Joan, she was always performing in public.

replies 49Dec 7, 2017 8:08 AM +00:00

The clip of Joan in that Sally Struthers interview SCREAMS Lange.


replies 50Dec 7, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

I'll slap the shit outta Christina if she fucks this one up.

--Billie Cassin
replies 51Dec 7, 2017 8:24 AM +00:00

Feud: Bette and Joan: You Mean All This Time We Could Have Been Friends?

This delectable eight-episode drama, which launched Ryan Murphy’s latest anthology series, focused on the notorious rivalry between screen legends Joan Crawford and Bette Davis but never failed to show their humanity amid the catty remarks and backstabbing. The final episode perfectly encapsulates this balance, showing Bette and Joan’s decidedly less glamorous lives, a decade removed from the filming of their 1962 cult classic “What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?”

Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon bring their A-game as Crawford and Davis, respectively, in the episode’s most ambitious scene. A dying Crawford imagines attending a dinner party with gossip queen Hedda Hopper, studio exec Jack Warner (Stanley Tucci) and her longtime nemesis, with whom she finally makes peace. The reveal that it’s a complete figment is both cathartic and cruel.

Also consider: “And the Winner Is . . .”

“The Handmaid’s Tale,” “Big Little Lies” and “Blackish” also made the list.
Washington Post
replies 52Dec 7, 2017 8:41 AM +00:00

Sarandon was ignored. Keep up your political work Susan! As was Heughan in Outlander.

replies 53Dec 7, 2017 8:58 AM +00:00

Sarandon's work on the show really wasn't that impressive.

R40 nailed it, define snub.

replies 54Dec 7, 2017 9:00 AM +00:00

I'm rooting Rachel Brosnahan, Alex Borstein and The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. That's all.

replies 55Dec 7, 2017 9:07 AM +00:00

^rooting for^

replies 56Dec 7, 2017 9:07 AM +00:00

I think it’s interesting that Jessica Lange gets the praise and nominations for the biopic about the movie that her character was in real life snubbed for, WHILE her costar gets mixed reviews and less nominations for playing the character that shined in real life.

replies 57Dec 7, 2017 9:13 AM +00:00

Sarandon did a great job, but she underplayed a great deal early on and dialed it up for later performances. Which actually matches Davis in real life; the stereotypical "Bette" became more prominent in later years.

But Lange was masterful. She had to play Joan Crawford AND play AGAINST the Dunaway version that every one had in the front of their minds, and she did both, masterfully.

replies 58Dec 7, 2017 9:14 AM +00:00

R53 what did Heughan say/do?

replies 59Dec 7, 2017 9:15 AM +00:00

Lange was awful as Crawford. She no real understanding of Crawford's character.

Just watch the difference here. Notice how Crawford carries herself vs. Lange.

Watch Lange's sloppy Shelly Winters style walk at her entrance.

See how Crawford holds her body and head perfectly still.

Note how Lange is always looking down while she reads. Joan would never, but never do that. She looks up and out.

Crawford was convinced she was the Queen of Hollywood and her bearing showed it.

Those are the small touches that made Crawford, Crawford. Lange got it all wrong.

See also: Bette Davis vs. Susan Sarandon: What Ever Happened to Baby Jane - --- // --- I'm more proud of this video than the one...
replies 60Dec 7, 2017 9:41 AM +00:00
She no real understanding

Oh, dear.

--You no real!
replies 61Dec 7, 2017 9:51 AM +00:00

I have a feeling the posters praising Lange in FEUD are just Jessica stans, first and foremost, and probably don't know much, if anything, about Joan Crawford. So, when they're defending her performance, they're really defending Lange's honor, if you will. They couldn't give two shits about the real Joan, only that Lange played her, and God forbid anyone criticize the inaccurate portrayal!

replies 62Dec 7, 2017 9:57 AM +00:00

R62 The critics and the various voting bodies are ALL Lange stands, don't you know? It's a conspiracy!

--All of them witches!
replies 63Dec 7, 2017 9:59 AM +00:00


--Rosemary, in a phone booth
replies 64Dec 7, 2017 10:00 AM +00:00

I know about both Crawford and Lange.

I am not a 'stan' of ANY performer. Someone who appreciates a performance is not automatically a 'stan.'

I don't need some caftan wearing, talking wall of fat to assume anything about my knowledge or my aesthetics, thank you.

replies 65Dec 7, 2017 10:02 AM +00:00

You go, R65.

--Lucille's Labia
replies 66Dec 7, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

R63 that means nothing where the real Joan Crawford is concerned. Like I said, ass-kissing. No one's saying that the performance was terrible, per se, I mean, she acted well for all intents and purposes and made you cry. That's what those acting bodies are rewarding/praising. The technique. But it is nothing like Crawford, which is where I and others think she fails.

replies 67Dec 7, 2017 10:12 AM +00:00

R67 Well you're wrong. Watch the other clips of Joan in this thread. Lange's work is brilliant in echoing both Japan's fragility AND strength.

replies 68Dec 7, 2017 10:16 AM +00:00


replies 69Dec 7, 2017 10:17 AM +00:00

R68 In her public appearances, photo shoots, film and TV roles, Crawford never cracked her veneer. Never showed fragility. (Except in her final PR photograph.)

The biggest problem with Lange's performance is that she acts like a modern, Method-style actress. And that's why it's so wrong.

Crawford acted like a star. She couldn't give a shit about Stanislavski. Crawford was about style.

Stars of Crawford's era had a body language, a vocal register, a diction, facial expressions, that you have to understand to portray her. It was all about the surface.

replies 70Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM +00:00

R70 We, have you even watched her first television appearance (posted upthread)?

replies 71Dec 7, 2017 10:41 AM +00:00

^*Er, have you...

replies 72Dec 7, 2017 10:42 AM +00:00

R71 Yes, I know that interview. It's pure Joan: the stylish movement, the erect body posture, the phoney sentiment, the mid-Atlantic-Hollywood accent.

She probably even made sure the interviewer was seated higher than she was so she could elongate her neck and appear more youthful.

Crawford cunningly displays all of her tricks there.

Don't confuse it with fragility. That's what Lange did. It was really quite the opposite.

replies 73Dec 7, 2017 11:06 AM +00:00

R73. Whatever intentions you read into Joan's behavior in that clip, Lange captured her perfectly. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

replies 74Dec 7, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00

Especially awful was the quivering Jessica Lange trying to play Crawford in Straightjacket.

Completely missing Crawford's glamour and grit and unintentionally campy performance.

She's just soooo wrong.

Joan reluctantly promotes her campy new film, Strait-Jacket
replies 75Dec 7, 2017 11:27 AM +00:00

I gotta say even though I HATE what she did about Hillary, Sarandon was amazing in that Oscar loss clip

replies 76Dec 7, 2017 11:35 AM +00:00

Lmao, R75. Right.

I gotta say that this recreation was so far the one that most impressed me. What do you think? Devo admitir que até agora essa é minha recreação favorita. Qu...
replies 77Dec 7, 2017 11:37 AM +00:00

If they ever do a biopic about Shirley Booth, Jessica Lange would be perfect.

But please, not Crawford.

replies 78Dec 7, 2017 1:10 PM +00:00

meow meow meow

replies 79Dec 9, 2017 4:01 PM +00:00

God. She mimicked Crawford perfectly at R77.

replies 80Dec 12, 2017 6:48 AM +00:00