That abysmal mess Big Little Lies will win nothing.
That abysmal mess Big Little Lies will win nothing.
Of course your link is tumblr.
OP's thread is useless since he didn't even include a link.
Here are the critics choice nominations for TV.
People will always love Joan Crawford and Bette Davis. Their timeless.
I'm very happy to see "GLOW" got recognized with several nominations.
“Feud” got just one more nomination than “Big Little Lies.”
It also earned two more Emmy nominations than the HBO series earlier this year, and look how that turned out. Zero major Emmys, but it did win for Makeup and Hairstyling!
Yeah r5 makes the obvious point. Feud got a ton of emmy nominations, it was still largely snubbed when it came to taking them home.
So they've got Asia Kate Dillon from Billions in the supporting actor category. Fine, I guess. But Walter Goggins is a co-lead in Vice Principals.
R5 Big Little Lies is exactly what it's titled.
The Emmys was always going to be the best shot “Feud” had for a major win, since their winners usually skew older and more traditional than the other awards shows (Lange won for “Grey Gardens,” then lost the other major ones to her co-star Drew Barrymore).
It’ll lose these awards, then the Globes, then the SAG awards. But every time, people will insist that this is when Lange will finally beat Nicole Kidman. And it’ll never happen.
R9 We'll see.
Lange won the Critics Choice Award for AHS: Coven.
She's winning it again for Feud.
These are not important awards.
What could've been a perversely satirical long-running joke became a forceful examination of women's issues and the horror of Hollywood's inner machinations thanks in large part to Lange's measured portrayal of Joan Crawford. Steeped in research -- as well as a compassionate view of a woman who's become a caricature -- Lange's Crawford is still scary, yes, but played with so much empathy, control and simmering rage that Lange's shifts from furor to desperate to vulnerable feel tectonic every time. Forget any of her previous Ryan Murphy collabs, Lange has never shined like this before on TV
I love how all the major papers are actually using op's thread title or a variation of...
AFTER he posted it.
I think it’s interesting Sarandon was snubbed. Was it because of her dreadful politics?
R16 I dont think so. I think it's indicative of the Critics finding Lange and the rest of the nominees better. It's also the first sign that Lange is winning.
Even if Kidman had a shot (what a truly tepid performance) she'll split with Witherspoon.
I love how all the major papers are actually using op's thread title or a variation of...AFTER he posted it.
Do you always refer to yourself in the third person, OP? You *are* OP.
R18 I Am.
You are also making shit up. That was the original variety headline. I linked it back at r2. This OP is tiresome.
I think this clip is lovely. I hope you get your wish, OP. You know I love you.
Sally Struthers on Joan Crawford.
R23 omg. Joan filing her nails.
Better quality, R22.
This sequence was everything.
Forgot to post better quality vid.
The above is actually part 3/3. 1 and 2 are below.
OP, I'm pretty sure you also a gifted pianist (we're anonymous, so I could be wrong), but I if you're the same guy, I'm not a match for you, but I really do treasure you. From what I've seen, you're very sexy (HAF, to be honest) and you're one of the most interesting men I know on DL. The only thing I want to say: protect your heart: you're a vulnerable soul. The Emmy thread left you hurt, and I felt your hurt, too. You're a really fine man.
R30 Not I.
Some of the other nomiees didn't deserve it. Chrissy Metz sucks as an actress. Mayim Bialik needs to stop getting nominations too.
Will Jackie Hoffman have a meltdown when she loses another award?
God. Lange was terrible. No clue of the Crawford character, or even the superficial mannerisms.
And we have to keep being reminded of it? Shit.
Jessica Lange as Joan Crawford is the worst performance ever given by a major actress. It's sad to witness what she's been reduced to by that HACK Murphy. She's absolutely wrong for the part. As a matter of fact, I began to hate her after Feud.
From TV Guide this week:
And the the Critics Choice goes to... Nicole Kidman, for Big Little Lies!!!!
It's not happening, Nic.
I think it’s interesting Sarandon was snubbed.
R40 I see what you did there!
I can't take reviews and critics like R13 seriously. Has she even seen a Joan Crawford film or interview or done any research herself (as much as she'd like to give Lange credit for it)? Lange didn't capture one iota of Crawford. Not in looks. Not in mannerisms. Not in voice. Nothing. She was just playing a variation of one of her bitchy grand dame AHS characters. Sure, Lange can be a great actress and can make you weep like nobody's business, but that doesn't mean that her Joan Crawford was a success. It wasn't. Articles like that just come off like they're kissing her ass. If they were honest and had done proper research, they'd know that Lange failed in almost every way to bring Crawford to life.
See r42? Mimicking a real life figure isn't as easy as it appears.
R34 You're tiresome, Matthew.
Move on, please.
I will finish R3 [quote] their timeless
performances are better than this fun piece of trash.
I just love how asshats like R42 presume to know one iota about Joan.
Lange captured her exquisitely.
As it should. Lange's work was a tour de force and Sarandon was very good as well (even though I have come to loath her stupid mess of a mind.)
Agree with you R46. Frightened, damaged, steely ambitious woman who in a mountain of insecurity wanted to (and did ) succeed to become a major film star, although at cost to herself and those around her. It all practically screams at you in that BBC clip.
R48 that's you projecting. Also, if you knew anything about Joan, she was always performing in public.
The clip of Joan in that Sally Struthers interview SCREAMS Lange.
I'll slap the shit outta Christina if she fucks this one up.
Feud: Bette and Joan: You Mean All This Time We Could Have Been Friends?
This delectable eight-episode drama, which launched Ryan Murphy’s latest anthology series, focused on the notorious rivalry between screen legends Joan Crawford and Bette Davis but never failed to show their humanity amid the catty remarks and backstabbing. The final episode perfectly encapsulates this balance, showing Bette and Joan’s decidedly less glamorous lives, a decade removed from the filming of their 1962 cult classic “What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?”
Jessica Lange and Susan Sarandon bring their A-game as Crawford and Davis, respectively, in the episode’s most ambitious scene. A dying Crawford imagines attending a dinner party with gossip queen Hedda Hopper, studio exec Jack Warner (Stanley Tucci) and her longtime nemesis, with whom she finally makes peace. The reveal that it’s a complete figment is both cathartic and cruel.
Also consider: “And the Winner Is . . .”
Sarandon was ignored. Keep up your political work Susan! As was Heughan in Outlander.
Sarandon's work on the show really wasn't that impressive.
R40 nailed it, define snub.
I'm rooting Rachel Brosnahan, Alex Borstein and The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. That's all.
I think it’s interesting that Jessica Lange gets the praise and nominations for the biopic about the movie that her character was in real life snubbed for, WHILE her costar gets mixed reviews and less nominations for playing the character that shined in real life.
Sarandon did a great job, but she underplayed a great deal early on and dialed it up for later performances. Which actually matches Davis in real life; the stereotypical "Bette" became more prominent in later years.
But Lange was masterful. She had to play Joan Crawford AND play AGAINST the Dunaway version that every one had in the front of their minds, and she did both, masterfully.
R53 what did Heughan say/do?
Lange was awful as Crawford. She no real understanding of Crawford's character.
Just watch the difference here. Notice how Crawford carries herself vs. Lange.
Watch Lange's sloppy Shelly Winters style walk at her entrance.
See how Crawford holds her body and head perfectly still.
Note how Lange is always looking down while she reads. Joan would never, but never do that. She looks up and out.
Crawford was convinced she was the Queen of Hollywood and her bearing showed it.
Those are the small touches that made Crawford, Crawford. Lange got it all wrong.
She no real understanding
I have a feeling the posters praising Lange in FEUD are just Jessica stans, first and foremost, and probably don't know much, if anything, about Joan Crawford. So, when they're defending her performance, they're really defending Lange's honor, if you will. They couldn't give two shits about the real Joan, only that Lange played her, and God forbid anyone criticize the inaccurate portrayal!
R62 The critics and the various voting bodies are ALL Lange stands, don't you know? It's a conspiracy!
I know about both Crawford and Lange.
I am not a 'stan' of ANY performer. Someone who appreciates a performance is not automatically a 'stan.'
I don't need some caftan wearing, talking wall of fat to assume anything about my knowledge or my aesthetics, thank you.
You go, R65.
R63 that means nothing where the real Joan Crawford is concerned. Like I said, ass-kissing. No one's saying that the performance was terrible, per se, I mean, she acted well for all intents and purposes and made you cry. That's what those acting bodies are rewarding/praising. The technique. But it is nothing like Crawford, which is where I and others think she fails.
R67 Well you're wrong. Watch the other clips of Joan in this thread. Lange's work is brilliant in echoing both Japan's fragility AND strength.
R68 In her public appearances, photo shoots, film and TV roles, Crawford never cracked her veneer. Never showed fragility. (Except in her final PR photograph.)
The biggest problem with Lange's performance is that she acts like a modern, Method-style actress. And that's why it's so wrong.
Crawford acted like a star. She couldn't give a shit about Stanislavski. Crawford was about style.
Stars of Crawford's era had a body language, a vocal register, a diction, facial expressions, that you have to understand to portray her. It was all about the surface.
R70 We, have you even watched her first television appearance (posted upthread)?
^*Er, have you...
R71 Yes, I know that interview. It's pure Joan: the stylish movement, the erect body posture, the phoney sentiment, the mid-Atlantic-Hollywood accent.
She probably even made sure the interviewer was seated higher than she was so she could elongate her neck and appear more youthful.
Crawford cunningly displays all of her tricks there.
Don't confuse it with fragility. That's what Lange did. It was really quite the opposite.
R73. Whatever intentions you read into Joan's behavior in that clip, Lange captured her perfectly. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Especially awful was the quivering Jessica Lange trying to play Crawford in Straightjacket.
Completely missing Crawford's glamour and grit and unintentionally campy performance.
She's just soooo wrong.
I gotta say even though I HATE what she did about Hillary, Sarandon was amazing in that Oscar loss clip
Lmao, R75. Right.
If they ever do a biopic about Shirley Booth, Jessica Lange would be perfect.
But please, not Crawford.
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God. She mimicked Crawford perfectly at R77.