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Trump saying "Kiss your section 8, welfare & medicaid GOODBYE"

"We’re looking very strongly at welfare reform, and that’ll all take place right after taxes, very soon, very shortly after taxes," Trump said in the White House last Monday. He was backed up by his press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, hours later: “This is something that the president has a great deal of interest in and I think you can count on probably the first part of next year seeing more specifics and details come out on that.”

"People are taking advantage of the system," Trump explained to the rest of the Cabinet last month.

So do you support kicking 6 Million off welfare?

--Anonymous
replies 105Dec 5, 2017 12:53 PM +00:00

I hate Trump like I never knew I could.

--Anonymous
replies 1Dec 5, 2017 1:02 PM +00:00

There's going to be some very hungry elderly and children.

--Anonymous
replies 2Dec 5, 2017 1:25 PM +00:00

I don't understand why they're trying to kill their supporters

--Anonymous
replies 3Dec 5, 2017 1:30 PM +00:00

Trump's an asshole but OP is worse. Fake news from a racist website, nice job OP.

Racially-charged reports that Donald Trump said that he wanted to get rid of specific social programs originated from a hoax news site.
Snopes.com
--Anonymous
replies 4Dec 5, 2017 1:34 PM +00:00

Corporate welfare (tax breaks) is probably more expensive, Trump needs to start there, but he won't. However Democrats should bring this up at every opportunity.

--Anonymous
replies 5Dec 5, 2017 1:41 PM +00:00

It's striking how much Democrats have changed on welfare.....here's Bill Clinton openly calling for an end to welfare

This Clinton-Gore ad states the two would bring change to the Democratic Party by moving it to the center on the controversial issues of the death penalty an...
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--Anonymous
replies 6Dec 5, 2017 1:41 PM +00:00

Trump's quote saying "Kiss your section 8, welfare & medicaid GOODBYE" is fake but I like context so I Googled OP's quote to find out when and where the other statement was made:

From November 28:

Why the sudden focus on welfare?
While Trump has evoked the favored right-wing boogeyman before, both in his inaugural address and his February speech to a joint session of Congress, he’s recently dangled the promise of so-called welfare reform as a way to woo Republicans who remain reluctant to support his tax bill.
"We’re looking very strongly at welfare reform, and that’ll all take place right after taxes, very soon, very shortly after taxes," Trump said in the White House last Monday. He was backed up by his press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, hours later: “This is something that the president has a great deal of interest in and I think you can count on probably the first part of next year seeing more specifics and details come out on that.”
The White House has reportedly tasked a small group to begin drafting plans for welfare reform. An initial version of an executive order tightening work requirements for welfare recipients was circulated around federal agencies back in September. Trump's Domestic Policy Council director recently told the Heritage Foundation that welfare reform is “something that excites him. It’s something that he has a lot of energy about.” According to Paul Winfree, "the president really wants to lead on this” and has “opened conversations with leadership in Congress to let them know.”
Borne in part out of a likely necessity (since Republicans’ proposed corporate tax cuts will conveniently leave an enormous deficit), Trump’s recent focus on welfare reform is a tried-and-true GOP staple at a moment when he seems to be losing control of his own caucus — yet again. After failing to repeal the Affordable Care Act, Republicans have convinced themselves that the only road to success in the 2018 midterms runs through tax cuts. This comes despite the Congressional Budget Office's finding on Sunday that the current bill would increase taxes on the poor while sending most benefits to people making more than $100,000. With two Republican senators having publicly defected already, the GOP’s tax bill looks dead even before Trump arrives on Capitol Hill Tuesday to push for its passage.
So Trump has shifted his attention to “welfare” – which notably, likely means major entitlement reforms to nontraditional “welfare” programs like Social Security and Medicare. Trump’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, has already said as much.
"It's welfare," Mulvaney explained of Social Security disability in a recent Politico profile. In its fiscal 2018 budget, Mulvaney’s Office of Management and Budget proposed adding work requirements to a range of government programs, including the food stamp program, as a form of welfare reform. The recently passed House version of the GOP tax bill also includes tighter eligibility requirements for low-income tax credits as a form of welfare reform. Conservative Republicans have argued that cuts to excessive benefits in the earned income tax credit could save $15 billion annually.
"People are taking advantage of the system," Trump explained to the rest of the Cabinet last month.
While it might sound great to Trump’s base to slash the social safety net that helps to hold up the black and brown people he has so successfully scapegoated, as with so many of Trump’s proposed policies, the biggest losers may be his own supporters.
Seven in 10 Social Security disability recipients are white, according to census data. Any cuts to “welfare” benefits will hit the more than 6 million working-class white people. That’s the president’s base the White House is using as bait for congressional Republicans, in order to deliver tax breaks to the wealthy.
In a last-ditch effort to save his terrible tax bill, Trump hauls out Republican catnip: punishing poor people
Salon
--I hate polls and I hate it when OPs don't provide a source
replies 7Dec 5, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00
GOP eyes post-tax-cut changes to welfare, Medicare and Social Security
High-ranking Republicans are hinting that they'll consider cutting spending on government programs after their tax overhaul.
Washington Post
--R7
replies 8Dec 5, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

After fast phood joints become automated with robots- where will the poor people work?

--Anonymous
replies 9Dec 5, 2017 1:53 PM +00:00
After fast phood joints become automated with robots- where will the poor people work?

They need cheap labor to build the wall

--Anonymous
replies 10Dec 5, 2017 1:54 PM +00:00
"People are taking advantage of the system," Trump explained

Yes, and they're all rich Repugs.

--Anonymous
replies 11Dec 5, 2017 1:56 PM +00:00

When will this POS motherfucker stroke out? He can take dead eyed Ryan and Turtle Man with him. They all need to die in a grease fire. How long before ppl show up at the While House with pitchforks!

How incredibly ignorant are his base, all his dumb ignorant hillbillies and white trash who voted for him? They don't see that Dump is a fucking liar?! They will be the first to lose their safety nets.

They don't see that Dump & Co are helping only the wealthy? Do any of these ignoramuses read?

--Anonymous
replies 12Dec 5, 2017 2:03 PM +00:00

R6 "here's Bill Clinton openly calling for an end to welfare"

No he didn't, liar. He didn't end welfare, never tried to and never said he would.

Now go on, tell us why the changes from AFDC to TANF weren't sufficient and Trump just HAS to fix it. Don't forget to include specifics, Boris.

--Anonymous
replies 13Dec 5, 2017 2:04 PM +00:00

I fully support totally ending welfare ........................ to all recipients who voted for Trump. They can all scour the garbage.

--Anonymous
replies 14Dec 5, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

Mulvaney is the most repulsive and evil. I have zero qualms about wishing him deceased.

--Anonymous
replies 15Dec 5, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

Wisconsin is now drug testing for welfare.

--Anonymous
replies 16Dec 5, 2017 2:50 PM +00:00

They’re creating a new slave class. Once the get all of the hardworking Mexicans and Central Americans out of the country, they’ll use the poor, black or white, to do all of the difficult jobs that the immigrants did.

They’ll tell these people that they’re lucky to have employment opportunities, and that if they want food stamps, they’re going to need to pick strawberries for minimum wage.

--Anonymous
replies 17Dec 5, 2017 3:00 PM +00:00
They’re creating a new slave class. Once the get all of the hardworking Mexicans and Central Americans out of the country, they’ll use the poor, black or white, to do all of the difficult jobs that the immigrants did. They’ll tell these people that they’re lucky to have employment opportunities, and that if they want food stamps, they’re going to need to pick strawberries for minimum wage.

That is Trump whole point. His reasoning is "Why have illegals do these jobs, that folks on welfare are able-bodied to do" He says it is a hand-up to welfare recipients, not a hand-out.

--Anonymous
replies 18Dec 5, 2017 3:03 PM +00:00

I understand that, r18. , but his base will not do those jobs,, guaranteed .

--Anonymous
replies 19Dec 5, 2017 3:19 PM +00:00

let them have the welfare but require service for it. if they are fixing roads, cleaning up neighborhoods etc, maybe the payments can go up.

--Anonymous
replies 20Dec 5, 2017 3:22 PM +00:00

All you idiots who want to take money away from poor people, you deserve to fall onto hard times and not be able to get money or healthcare. Fuck you.

--Anonymous
replies 21Dec 5, 2017 3:24 PM +00:00

Lot's of queens on here seem to be on welfare? Lot's of shivering queens afraid their party money will disappear?

--Anonymous
replies 22Dec 5, 2017 3:24 PM +00:00

R22, minimum wage jobs almost certainly require public subsidies to make ends meet. Making welfare recipients work for their checks isn't a bad idea, they'd also be gaining work experience (that naturally won't be acceptable experience in anything but minimum wage work), but they'd still need welfare. The point is low-income work pays low incomes. Making people do unskilled work won't help them move on to skilled jobs with self-sustaining wages.

--Anonymous
replies 23Dec 5, 2017 3:36 PM +00:00

R14 So all white people who don't fall lock-step in place with your 'me-first' agenda are Nazi trash, but your beloved knee-grows who would slaughter your soft cracker asses and car-jack your grandma just for laughs are victims. Did it ever occur to you that some people are multi-issue voters and don't live in a gay bubble? I'm sure thinking is hard for you, but please be a brave little warrior and try.

--Anonymous
replies 24Dec 5, 2017 3:48 PM +00:00

The big elephant in the room here is untreated mental illness and substance abuse/addiction. Many of the people on welfare or SSID might look like they’re able bodied, but they’re actually not.

I have a dear friend who has been on SSID for most of his life. He is bipolar, and quite frankly, the man cannot deal with pressure or stress. He’s college educated, smart, well read on current affairs, loves his dogs, and is a very kind person. However, as soon as he is placed in a situation where he faces pressure or work related stress, he starts losing sleep, starts to become distraught, and eventually spirals out of control. Before you know it, he goes into a manic phase, with the inevitable crash and burn. I wouldn’t say that he becomes dangerous, but he becomes very easily agitated and volatile during these mania bouts. He is not someone who I would ever hire, nor would anyone else familiar with his medical history and bouts of hospitalization, due to his mania.

All of the above being said, my friend has been properly diagnosed and cannot work. He is intelligent and well educated enough to understand this. He was also persistent in that he knew something in his behavior and brain chemistry had changed profoundly, and he sought help repeatedly. Instead of self medicating, like MANY do, he was determined to understand why his life was going to shit a few years after getting out of college. Most mentally ill people do not have the wherewithal to do this.

We need a continuous path to positive healthcare reform and treatment. This administration doesn’t care about any of this. Reagan put millions of mentally ill people on the street, and Trump will put millions of them in their early or not so early graves. Ryan, McConnell, etc., are all 100% OK with that. And this is just the group of people with mental illness and addiction issues. There’s an entire swath of the population that will be taken out due to inadequate access to healthcare , food, & shelter.

We’re about to see another group of Americans become homeless. Millions more will be hitting the streets, coming very soon, to a city near YOU.

--R17
replies 25Dec 5, 2017 5:11 PM +00:00

After tax "reform," there's nothing that sexually excites a Republican more than welfare "reform."

--Anonymous
replies 26Dec 5, 2017 5:18 PM +00:00

Something like a third of welfare recipients are either waiting for SSI to be approved (and that process can take years) or have a disability for which they could qualify for SSI.

And of course if you qualify for SSI but spent time on welfare waiting for approval, your back payment for SSI pays the state back for your welfare.

There's already work (or work/school-related) requirements for people who receive cash assistance. Obama offered to let states apply to expand exemptions, but it didn't happen. The work requirement for food stamps (that don't include cash assistance) was relaxed in 2009, but about a third of people who get food stamps have a job. And the percentage of people who rely on food banks and similar programs but who also work and don't get food stamps is huge--about two-thirds.

So Trump can throw his red meat to the deplorables, but increasing work requirements to get benefits just means people will seek the help elsewhere, and those resources will be strained.

--Anonymous
replies 27Dec 5, 2017 5:27 PM +00:00

Here are the actual deplorables.

Just look at those two phony vile POS bastards. Their heads should be up on stakes! Actually, they should both be burned alive.

s17.postimg.org
--Anonymous
replies 28Dec 5, 2017 5:56 PM +00:00
I don't understand why they're trying to kill their supporters.

Agreed. Although the Repubs have always focused on welfare as if it is an inner city, minority issue. Most government welfare goes to rural whites.

--Anonymous
replies 29Dec 5, 2017 6:02 PM +00:00

Guess who's going to get robbed when people are starving in the street? Not the billionaires.

--It Will Be YOU & ME
replies 30Dec 5, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00

If you voted for that shitbag, you deserve to lose everything.

--Anonymous
replies 31Dec 5, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

His head would look great at the end of a pike

--Anonymous
replies 32Dec 5, 2017 6:18 PM +00:00

It would be great to see a Human Centipede made up of Trump, Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Sarah Huckabee and every other fucking loser racist hater POS in the Trump Administration!

--Anonymous
replies 33Dec 5, 2017 6:38 PM +00:00

R25

Mental illness is a bitch, but your friend sounds like one too. It seems like he had been coddled since childhood and never allowed to face failure, and is therefore incapable of dealing with reality as an adult.

Ending welfare for poor little bitches like that sounds like a good idea to me.

--Anonymous
replies 34Dec 5, 2017 6:51 PM +00:00

R26

Real welfare reform, when companies earning over $100,000 a year are prohibited from any government welfare, and military industrial complex grants are open to public scrutiny, is a good thing.

Ending all welfare would return the issue of charity back to the community.

--Anonymous
replies 35Dec 5, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

I'm in the same situation as R25's friend - I have a degree and some work experience, but the stress and tiredness (I am taking a massive cocktail of meds that leaves you feeling like you've been hit by a truck) means that working is not an option, as much as I really want to. My country got rid of the sickness benefit so now I would have to attend job interviews constantly for jobs I can't do just to get some money. I am really fortunate that my husband earns enough for both of us (barely). Other people who are not so lucky either pretend to be jobseeking, or just fail miserably and become homeless. So I know what it's like for the ill and the community at large without proper disability allowance for the mentally ill and it's just a disaster waiting to happen. Now that we have a change of government I am hoping for change regarding services for the mentally ill, but not holding my breath.

--Kiwi who WANTS to work, but is just unable to.
replies 36Dec 5, 2017 7:12 PM +00:00
Mental illness is a bitch, but your friend sounds like one too. It seems like he had been coddled since childhood and never allowed to face failure, and is therefore incapable of dealing with reality as an adult. Ending welfare for poor little bitches like that sounds like a good idea to me.

Oh how i wish I could gift you my bipolar and the meds for just one day and then ask for your opinion!

--R36
replies 37Dec 5, 2017 7:20 PM +00:00

what we need is to get rid of the perpetual war machine and feed folks.

--Anonymous
replies 38Dec 5, 2017 7:52 PM +00:00

The problem is that the Republican myth of black people and immigrants collecting welfare and living high on the hog was ended in the 90s — so much as it existed — by Clinton and Newt Gingrich's Republican Congress. They have chipped away at the programs that inner city black people relied upon until there is nothing left to end. The only public assistance immigrants ever got was overly price medical care in the emergency room, which left them bankrupt and destitute. The only thing left for them to cut are the programs that poor white people rely upon to live. And they voted for Trump despite all of the evidence and facts laid out before them because Hillary.

They deserve what they're going to get, which is less than nothing. Heartache, homelessness, more dependency on drugs to alleviate their real and imagined pain, earlier death, and more misery along the way. It's what they wanted —proven with their say-so — and I'm happy to see them getting it. After all, Steve Bannon openly advocated for culling 20% of the population. Trump voters heard that and thought black and brown, when the reality is that he was talking about THEM.

Yes, I feel for the people like R36 and R25's friend, so I will help people like this that I know, but I will not shed a tear or feel even the tiniest bit of remorse for Trump voters.

--Anonymous
replies 39Dec 5, 2017 7:56 PM +00:00

I agree R7. Welfare is on Trump's agenda. No doubt.

But it pisses me off when people like OP totally misrepresent the issue.

What really is needed is to educate the public about who gets Welfare, or perhaps we call it by its real name Temporary Assistance for Needy Famlies, why and for how long.

--Anonymous
replies 40Dec 5, 2017 8:17 PM +00:00
They have chipped away at the programs that inner city black people relied upon until there is nothing left to end.

LOL.

You can’t be serious. Have you ever been to and urban center? Are you familiar with any city larger than 100,000 people? Places like Detroit, Baltimore, Philadelphia, etc. are filled with people living on government benefits.

--Anonymous
replies 41Dec 5, 2017 8:18 PM +00:00

The Deplorables are all on SSI/Disability. I say kick them all off and then watch the fun start!

--Anonymous
replies 42Dec 5, 2017 9:16 PM +00:00

Are you familiar with reality, R41? Michigan, for example, enacted much stricter welfare limits a few years back and the number of people on it plummeted. Detroit was hit the hardest. Since then the state has used the money it "saved" from welfare rolls to send middle class kids to private colleges.

Michigan redirects about $100 million annually in federal welfare money to college aid.
Detroit Free Press
--Anonymous
replies 43Dec 5, 2017 9:19 PM +00:00

The number of Blacks receiving TANF has decreased over the past decade plus, while the number of white receiving it has held steady after increasing a bit, and the number of Latinos has gone up.

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--Anonymous
replies 44Dec 5, 2017 9:21 PM +00:00

Clinton's program was about getting able-bodied welfare recipients to work.

--Anonymous
replies 45Dec 5, 2017 9:28 PM +00:00

No rest for the wicked.

TRUMP the DEVIL awaits you!!!!!

--Tic Tok!!!!!
replies 46Dec 5, 2017 10:04 PM +00:00

It would be good to have welfare reform that helps people get back on their feet and off of welfare. A time and/or dollar limit would be a good incentive.

--Anonymous
replies 47Dec 5, 2017 10:19 PM +00:00

There should be a program like the IRS has to compensate people who report welfare cheaters. The government doesn’t do a good job of rooting out fraud and abuse.

--Anonymous
replies 48Dec 5, 2017 10:22 PM +00:00

Still nothing about technological unemployment, eh? Soon people will march in the streets and riot. The rich will be the main course and the middle class will be the well deserved dessert.

--American Nightmare
replies 49Dec 5, 2017 10:25 PM +00:00

I'm about at a point where if I see someone sick in the street and they're wearing a MAGA cap, I'll spit in their face.

--Anonymous
replies 50Dec 5, 2017 10:38 PM +00:00

This will devastate all those welfare red states that are practically tax havens for the rich.

--Anonymous
replies 51Dec 5, 2017 11:18 PM +00:00

Like that asshat Trump has been taking advantage of the system to avoid paying taxes for years. I’m retired but I see a second life as a revolutionary when my my money runs out.

--And I’m kinda looking forward to it
replies 52Dec 5, 2017 11:27 PM +00:00

R34 Yes, mental illness only became a reality because of helicopter parenting. Mental illness doesn't exist in poor people either.

--I never realized how much I hated people before the internet
replies 53Dec 6, 2017 12:37 AM +00:00

So Christian.

--Anonymous
replies 54Dec 6, 2017 1:00 AM +00:00

This will just get worse. Six years of Republican stranglehold on Congress, refusing to act.

Exclusive: a new government study finds 553,742 people were homeless on a single night this year, as advocates lament a crisis that shows no sign of abating
the Guardian
--Anonymous
replies 55Dec 6, 2017 1:56 AM +00:00

The deplorables rely on welfare, SSI and food stamps. Even if they were denied these programs, a majority of them would STILL support Trump.

--Anonymous
replies 56Dec 6, 2017 2:30 AM +00:00

R34, fuck off. Have you ever even been privy to the struggles that a bipolar person faces? The medication that they’re on renders them disabled.

My friend isn’t some asshole who sits around drinking booze all day and smoking crack on the tiny amount of money he receives monthly. Being bipolar isn’t some sort of fucking party. You know very little about life, and the challenges otherwise intelligent and thoughtful people face when faced with mental illness that they develop through no fault of their own.

Grow up, asshole.

--Anonymous
replies 57Dec 6, 2017 2:45 AM +00:00

Yes they would, r56. It’s a combination of little to no education, with some strange sense of “Christian” entitlement and racism all mixed in.

--Anonymous
replies 58Dec 6, 2017 2:50 AM +00:00

Does he have no understanding that his base relies on SSDI and foodstamps?!

--Anonymous
replies 59Dec 6, 2017 3:38 AM +00:00

The most damning quote from that Guardian piece:

"But government investment in low-income homes has lagged since it was slashed during the Reagan administration, and today most people on the cusp of homelessness do not receive government rental assistance. Indeed, the government spends twice as much on a housing tax break for the wealthiest Americans, and the tax reforms under review by Congress would deal a further blow to affordable-housing funding if enacted."

--Anonymous
replies 60Dec 6, 2017 3:42 AM +00:00

A nice Christmas present for his base 😂

--Anonymous
replies 61Dec 6, 2017 4:31 AM +00:00

This is what the wealthy want, have always wanted. They have stolen the government from the American people. They own politics and we keep arguing and hating each other enough to not pay attention or group together to try and fight it.

Gay causes, minority causes, women's rights all are hot buttons to divide us.

White men just want to feel they are on top of the food chain no matter the size of their bank account. And the women associated with them will follow those men down to hell to make sure the illusion of the superior White man stays in tact.

--Anonymous
replies 62Dec 6, 2017 4:42 AM +00:00

r39 Due to the wars here in California in the 90's there were a lot of Eastern European and Russians on food stamps and welfare. A huge number that no one ever talked about. I know because of friend of mine who worked a Vons (grocery store) would tell me about it. People love to say it's Black people and HIspanics but there the largest number of those on welfare are White. But that's okay because they're White.

--Anonymous
replies 63Dec 6, 2017 4:48 AM +00:00

R47, do you seriously not know that those things already exist?

R60, another important fact to consider: dollar value of cash assistance has dropped significantly. People on TANF now get something like 2/3 the value of what people got back in the 80s. It's been held back just like the minimum wage.

--Anonymous
replies 64Dec 6, 2017 7:29 AM +00:00

Thanks, R41 and R63, I prefer to rely on facts and analysis, not anecdotes and conjecture. The truth is that 7 out of 10 assistance (what we're calling "welfare") recipients are rural white people. Of course, any time you get a group of people together, like in a city over 100,000, you'll get a group on welfare. You'll also find welfare recipients in small towns — entire small towns, in fact — living on the dole. The Republicans like to complain about government picking and choosing who wins, but they never seem to mind the fact that over the last 50 years, through a series of "reform" measures, they've picked winners and losers, and the state of our current assistance programs is the result. And this is the long-winded way of saying that the people who are going to be hurt the most by Trump's effort to boot 6 million off welfare are the people who voted for him.

--R39
replies 65Dec 6, 2017 7:56 AM +00:00

We do need welfare reform but we can't just withhold it from people who really need it. I know that Mormons, Hasidic Jews, and a lot of Russians and, in my area, Mexican immigrants are scamming it big time and as, someone pointed out lots of poor white people.

--Anonymous
replies 66Dec 6, 2017 8:10 AM +00:00

How about the wealthy who constantly scam the system? By only hiring part time workers and 'freelancers', they don't have to provide health insurance, paid holidays and much of anything else, just a pay check. Because of this, their workers are eligible for public assistance programs. Walmart is also guilty of this practice.

I know an annoying ReThug guy, he's married to a cousin, he owns a few sandwich shops. Besides ripping off his customers by charging extra for lettuce and tomatoes, he makes sure all his workers are part timers, none have health insurance and the turnover of his workers is laughable. He also pulls this scam, charging customers for the extras, then asks his workers to not add the extras to the sandwiches. Then when a customers complains, the workers act like they don't understand English. The reviews of his shops are horrendous, yet this creep is still in business because there are few options where his shops are located..

--Anonymous
replies 67Dec 6, 2017 12:35 PM +00:00

In one review of his business, a customer said they overheard a wild vulgar racist rant by the owner about Obama! I'm wondering why the customer didn't just film it, then add it to YouTube. The state where his shops are located is mostly Repub, guess no one would care. But the reviews of his business are mostly negative.

--R67
replies 68Dec 6, 2017 12:38 PM +00:00

I have a friend I've known for 50 years. She as a daughter who was diagnosed with schizophrenia a couple of years ago and is totally dependent on the government. My fiend is a couple of pay checks away from disaster. Yet, she voted for Trump.

We've had long talks about politics over the years, I think she's been brainwashed by Fox. Maybe this will finally wake her up.

--Anonymous
replies 69Dec 6, 2017 1:58 PM +00:00

R69, not likely. As soon as any benefits are cut, Fox will start airing "exposes" about dark skinned people who are cheating the government. The takeaway will always be "you suffer while THOSE PEOPLE live the high life with their Cadillacs and watermelon." (c) Ronald Reagan.

--Anonymous
replies 70Dec 6, 2017 2:01 PM +00:00

Yep. They destroyed labor by shipping jobs out of the country, because labor voted democratic. Now they want to slash taxes in order to get rid of public employees, who usually vote democratic.

And it's permanent, folks. Public sector jobs -- like unions -- won't be coming back once they're vanquished.

Don't forget -- psychiatric hospitals were run by the states..Lots of state jobs in those hospitals. Take away mental health hospitals and you take away millions of public sector jobs, where the majority of job holders voted democratic.

One party has been on a mission to destroy the other party, usher in single party politics, enfeeble the population and install a dictator.

Get it?

They're almost there.

--Anonymous
replies 71Dec 6, 2017 3:08 PM +00:00

I definitely think there is a mental health epidemic. I would gladly give up more tax money to build more facilities to house all of you hysterical fucking communist queens!

--Anonymous
replies 72Dec 6, 2017 11:47 PM +00:00

What people don't see or choose to ignore: "food stamps" = economic stimulus.

I'm not ashamed to say I collected that benefit for a short while and guess what? I fucking well spent it at local grocery stores, fruit/veg stores, Trader Joe's.

What, people think those who collect this benefit are somehow able to spend it on Candy Crush and oxy from some goddamn Slovenian pharmacy website?

Watch grocery stores, other places that sell not-prepared food eat six colors of shit if food stamps get axed.

I don't know or really care if too many people are vicious, ignorant or both.

--Anonymous
replies 73Dec 7, 2017 1:38 AM +00:00

Paul Ryan must be on a frantic wank fest lately, his dreams of abolishing 'entitlements' are coming true!

s17.postimg.org
--Anonymous
replies 74Dec 7, 2017 8:56 PM +00:00

Welfare needs to be reformed. Way too many people taking advantage of the system. Welfare is not supposed to be a lifelong support system. There was recently a story about the Hasidic Jews in New Jersey who milk the system and the crackdown on the community. That's just the tip of the iceberg. MANY people have been abusing the system for years and this must stop. Reform doesn't mean they are getting rid of it. Just means people who don't need it don't get it. And if you are on welfare you should be working if you are able bodied.

--Anonymous
replies 75Dec 7, 2017 10:42 PM +00:00

Then they will have to work for a living!

--As we have our entire life
replies 76Dec 7, 2017 10:46 PM +00:00
Welfare needs to be reformed. Way too many people taking advantage of the system. Welfare is not supposed to be a lifelong support system. There was recently a story about the Hasidic Jews in New Jersey who milk the system and the crackdown on the community. That's just the tip of the iceberg. MANY people have been abusing the system for years and this must stop. Reform doesn't mean they are getting rid of it. Just means people who don't need it don't get it. And if you are on welfare you should be working if you are able bodied.

How you do propose to weed out the system? By taking away 'welfare' from people who honestly need it? There are people who are trying to get out of poverty, so punish them because a certain segment of society abuses these programs?

How can the government they find out who really needs help, say a single mom going to college and working part-time, she does need public assistance, compared to the grifter Russian Jews in Brooklyn who work all cash businesses as well as the multi-billion dollar corporations like Walmart, which accept corporate welfare by mostly hiring low wage part-timers who are then eligible for food stamps and Medicaid? Any answers, I'd sure love to hear them!

Everyone crows about "welfare reform", yet absolutely no one has any idea exactly how to do it, much in the same way the ReThugs had all those years to come up with their so-called 'repeal and replace' health bill yet did not have one idea worth a dime!

--Anonymous
replies 77Dec 7, 2017 11:40 PM +00:00

You don't work, you don't eat.

It's that simple.

--Anonymous
replies 78Dec 7, 2017 11:48 PM +00:00

R77, again, I repeat. Reform doesn't mean repeal? What part of that do you not understand. Yes people crow, as you say, about reforming welfare, and he is saying he will do something about it. Sorry but if you are driving around in a Mercedes you don't need welfare. Think that's an exaggeration, come see it first hand in LA. You have money to details the interior of your car and work a few temp jobs to make it look like your are trying to work, yet still collect welfare, guess what, you don't need it. Can't work a 40 hour work week? Can't find a job? You want welfare, than you'll clean the streets and pick up trash, you'll work at a food bank, you'll tutor in under privileged areas. You will start earning it! Guaranteed if half the people on welfare had to clean toilets in order to get a welfare check, they'd miraculously find jobs. Those that are truly in need don't need to worry about welfare reform bc it's their to help them, the truly needy.

--Anonymous
replies 79Dec 8, 2017 12:15 AM +00:00
[R77], again, I repeat. Reform doesn't mean repeal? What part of that do you not understand. Yes people crow, as you say, about reforming welfare, and he is saying he will do something about it. Sorry but if you are driving around in a Mercedes you don't need welfare. Think that's an exaggeration, come see it first hand in LA. You have money to details the interior of your car and work a few temp jobs to make it look like your are trying to work, yet still collect welfare, guess what, you don't need it. Can't work a 40 hour work week? Can't find a job? You want welfare, than you'll clean the streets and pick up trash, you'll work at a food bank, you'll tutor in under privileged areas. You will start earning it! Guaranteed if half the people on welfare had to clean toilets in order to get a welfare check, they'd miraculously find jobs. Those that are truly in need don't need to worry about welfare reform bc it's their to help them, the truly needy.

Still not answering my question, how do these people driving Mercedes even qualify? I LOVE when people keep parroting the lies they hear on Fox! You still aren't responding to my statement about corporate welfare, which Walmart has been participating in for years. Walmart workers qualify for public assistance programs because Walmart severely underpays their workers and they keep hiring part-timers. You seem rather quiet about that!

My understanding, to qualify to any public assistance program, you can only make up to a certain amount of money, you can't have much money in the bank and your rent or mortgage cannot be over a certain amount. How do fuck does one have a Mercedes and get welfare? Unless the Mercedes owner hit rock bottom and bought the car when they were doing well. Don't assume that car is new.

The paperwork, which has to be submitted before anyone is accepted in program, is very detailed, I have a friend who works in a city office where people apply for all types of public assistance, so please don't argue with me or post anymore fairytales. Ironically, a lot of welfare fraud is being perpetuated by doctors and the medical profession in general, would you care to discuss that? You also have a sign a clause on the paperwork that you understand if any information is a lie, you can get jail time.

Stop repeating Faux News bullshit, most of the people I know who were on welfare, for brief periods, deserved every dime that got. For years, they put their hard earned taxes into these programs, there is nothing wrong with getting your tax money back, especially if you pay taxes, unlike the wealthy. Douchebag Paul Ryan got his college education thanks to his dead father's Social Security, a program he wants to privatize.

How about single people who have been paying high taxes their entire lives, have no writes off, no kids in public schools, don't drive so they don't use the highways etc, yet they pay taxes into programs they never use, then, if they do need to get some help, they are refused because they are single.

--Anonymous
replies 80Dec 8, 2017 12:41 AM +00:00

It’s astonishing how poorly informed and misinformed FOX news viewers are.

I regularly read the NYT, the LA Times, WaPo, & the Atlantic. I rarely watch the news, yet will listen to it in the background while I’m getting ready in the morning or making dinner. Sometimes I turn on FOX news, just to keep up with their version of events.

It’s unbelievable that FOX gets away with spinning the way they do. They rarely give actual news, so instead, they spout opinions for most of their airtime reporting on something. They devote seconds, literally, to the reporting of an actual event, and the rest of it is devoted to highly biased opinion, and spin.

I have nothing against editorial opinion segments, however, that’s not the reporting of facts, when you spend ten seconds saying something like: “A whistleblower shared information with FBI investigators, claiming Michael Flynn told them that Russia sanctions would be done away with”, & and then opinions and biased deconstruction ensues amongst talking heads being paid to talk about what they “think” is true for the next 15 minutes. That’s NOT news reporting. That’s the kind of stuff you discuss with your friends during dinner, regardless of political party.

But most FOX viewers believe that this is ethical news reporting being reported by well informed journalists who have integrity regardless of their paychecks in proportion to their ratings and advertising revenue.

I understand that the newscast model requires viewership in correlation to advertisers, however, you can still report the facts, rather than long winded and biased opinions. That’s why I read the news, rather than watch it. I imagine that I too, would be grossly misinformed, if I only got my information from FOX & Friends.

We all know someone who has become part of the conservative punditry herd and, over time, traded their compassion for paranoia; their thoughtful opinions for manufactured outrage; and their empathy…
Autostraddle
--People really do love living in a vacuum.
replies 81Dec 8, 2017 6:39 AM +00:00

they want to break the "black ghetto" stereotype welfare machine even if it means taking down quite a few whiteys along with it. They probably figure since many of the whites are in rural areas, they can get "faith based initiatives" to kick in better there than in urban areas. But they ARE on a mission to break the urban black welfare stranglehold and all the pieces are in place to accomplish it.

--Anonymous
replies 82Dec 8, 2017 7:24 AM +00:00

R82, what the fuck does your post even mean? You think that this is beneficiary to blacks and a meee few whites?

You’re obviously a FOX devotee. Why don’t you get out of your bubble, and start reading?

You soundly completely uneducated and not insightful.

--Anonymous
replies 83Dec 8, 2017 3:49 PM +00:00

I thought since Clinton's welfare reform no one can be on welfare for more than 3 years out of their lifetime, so how do people stay on it forever. Or is that just another right wing lie?

--Anonymous
replies 84Dec 8, 2017 4:03 PM +00:00

Of course it's a right wing lie. Maximum LIFETIME limit for federal benefits is 60 months, AZ has the shortest limit with 12 months. There are some strict exceptions, but states have a limit on how many people they can grant extensions to. States can do whatever they want with state benefits, but only a couple have no lifetime limits on state assistance.

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replies 85Dec 8, 2017 4:25 PM +00:00

The MN legislature created a pretty good write up of cash assistance benefits back in 2002 when they were considering some new law. Some of the info is outdated, but the gist of it is still pretty accurate.

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replies 86Dec 8, 2017 4:28 PM +00:00

For every $50,000 you make, you pay about $6 for welfare. You pay $4000 for corporate welfare however.

Reforming welfare is their distraction from shoveling benefits to the top.

Welfare is a teeny portion of the federal budget so this will do nothing to the debt

--Anonymous
replies 87Dec 8, 2017 4:36 PM +00:00

Just wait until people find out most people on welfare are white

--Anonymous
replies 88Dec 8, 2017 4:38 PM +00:00

White rural areas are about as poor as black inner city areas. There are not white poor people than blacks.

Yes, welfare recipients tend to be white and in red states.

--Anonymous
replies 89Dec 8, 2017 4:39 PM +00:00

^not=more

--Anonymous
replies 90Dec 8, 2017 4:40 PM +00:00

I don't doubt he'll try and possibly succeed; hell, after you've given tax cuts to the rich, sold off federal lands and attempted to end years worth of environmental controls, why not strip welfare? Welfare cuts are a good idea in theory, but they always ending up hurting the most vulnerable: the elderly, disabled, and young children. Now, most deplorables don't care about this until this means **they** now have to take care of grandma or their retarded little sister, but it takes awhile to get to that point.

I hate they way things are and I hate what this country has become, but the Republicans have been spoiling to do this for years (wasn't Paul Ryan getting hard-ons in college over this?), so maybe all those red staters who keep voting republican should finally get a real taste of what they've been voting for all these years.

--Anonymous
replies 91Dec 8, 2017 4:41 PM +00:00

Go Fund Me will become the new welfare. At first the deplorables will love it because people can choose to give, rather than be "forced" to give via taxes. But that will wear off quickly as the begging never ever ever stops.

--Anonymous
replies 92Dec 8, 2017 4:44 PM +00:00

There are a lot of tragic cases out there and not everyone can work. I've seen it all.

--Anonymous
replies 93Dec 8, 2017 4:53 PM +00:00

Many conservative economists have made their careers on theories about how too-low unemployment is actually bad for the economy, that a shortage of labor slows economic growth, and so on.

What, exactly, is supposed to happen to the people who shouldn't have a job in order to keep the economy healthy?

--Anonymous
replies 94Dec 8, 2017 5:01 PM +00:00

R80, are you stupid or blind. I only read your first sentence and decided not to waste my time. I'll only answer the first question you posed. Well if Trump said he would reform welfare, don't you think you should wait to hear what his proposal is before you say it won't work? Are u that dim? This has nothing to do with Fox News you idiot? If KCBS news in LA can do an expose on welfare fraud by INVESTIGATING why do you think it can't be done. It's called investigating...just like the investigation into the hasidics in Jersey committing welfare fraud ! Is that not answering your question? Because if you still cannot grasp that concept, this debate is futile bc it shows your lack of intellect.

--Anonymous
replies 95Dec 8, 2017 7:28 PM +00:00

The irony in r95’s post is fucking fantastic, and completely lost on r95, which makes it even more ironic.

--Anonymous
replies 96Dec 8, 2017 8:06 PM +00:00

Ending corporate welfare would mean ending the Empire, withdrawing our troops back to the USA, cutting $500B from the Pentagram, ending all Farm subsidies, all R&D subsidies where private corporations reap benefits of government funds- never gonna happen until government powers are radically limited and decentralized.

Basically, too many powerful organizations with billions of taxpayer dollars at stake, will bribe and threaten and cajole and blackmail our government to continuing all funding and increasing it each year.

--Anonymous
replies 97Dec 8, 2017 8:30 PM +00:00

Can they at least hand out nembutal?

--Anonymous
replies 98Dec 8, 2017 8:52 PM +00:00
Well if Trump said he would reform welfare, don't you think you should wait to hear what his proposal is before you say it won't work?

Never said in any of my posts that welfare reform wouldn't work. You are clearly the incredibly dim and petulant one here in this debate. With obvious reading comprehension problems.

Besides, welfare reform sure as hell wouldn't be Trump's idea, talk about a dim bulb! This moron claimed he didn't realize "how difficult healthcare reform would be", but he sure talked a lot of shit during his campaign about citizens having "the best and cheapest healthcare". Trump's been a manchild his entire adult life. This man inherited his real estate business, he's a snake oil salesman who has surrounded himself with similar slimy people. Trump could give a flying shit about welfare reform, let alone, the working poor and middle class. Trump and his crew of swamp creatures are all about creating a new version of a feudal system.

All these many years of welfare, yet the keepers of then gates still haven't found a way to deal with welfare fraud, when they sure do know who is perpetuating the ongoing fraud. Yet it's so much easier to scapegoat people who need entitlements.

No, you didn't answer my question, why are people who are living way about the poverty line (Mercedes, fur coats, designer clothing) receiving entitlement programs? Because bureaucrats are not doing their jobs. The investigative reports are out there, yet only a handful of criminals have been arrested. Many continue to get away with welfare fraud due to working in all cash businesses. Apparently there is little cross referencing of information.

You think companies don't perpetuate these crimes? There are tons of workers who have jobs where the boss doesn't want to provide healthcare, vacations and other benefits, they work out deals with their workers to pay them more than half their yearly wage off the books, the rest on the books. This practice allows the workers to qualify for entitlement programs. All this info about these practices is available, yet the government is not doing a damn thing about it. Do you realize how many companies now employ freelance workers?

That's my point, the government knows what's going on, yet they'd rather make people who truly qualify for food stamps and Medicaid suffer because of the scammers who constantly cheat the system.

The Republicans would like nothing more to abolish all entitlement programs or at least privatize them, nothing would make Paul Ryan orgasm more than that!

--Anonymous
replies 99Dec 8, 2017 9:21 PM +00:00

He is such a piece of shit...is there nothing we can do??

--Anonymous
replies 100Dec 8, 2017 9:25 PM +00:00

Nothing will change Because the Fed loves welfare.

--Erna
replies 101Dec 9, 2017 12:35 AM +00:00

r47, "back on their feet" meaning what, exactly? Working, where? Getting to and from work, how? Affording housing, where and how? If they get sick, then what do they do?

Read "Nickel and Dimed," and get educated. And today's situation is WORSE.

www.nytimes.com
--Anonymous
replies 102Dec 20, 2017 6:24 AM +00:00

Fraud occurs in all sectors of society - public and private. The interesting thing is the information on fraud in the private sector is difficult to track down. What kind of fraud has had the most damaging effect? Private sector. Do you honestly think welfare fraud is as expensive or damaging as the Enron scandal, Bernie Madoff or the sub-prime mortgage catastrophe? How much corporate fraud goes undetected? How about Medicaid/Medicare fraud compared to private health insurance fraud. No one really knows which is worse.

What are we talking about reforming welfare or dealing with welfare fraud. They aren't the same.

There is also the issue of cost. Honestly, which is more expensive tracking down welfare cheats or letting it slide? We make these decisions everyday. Out of court settlements because pursuing the case in court would be more expensive.

--Anonymous
replies 103Dec 20, 2017 6:47 AM +00:00

The thread was closed in r4 with Snopes verifying this was just another fake story. And still nearly every post afterward ignores that and carries on like the 1984 "Two minute hate".

dou·ble·think - the acceptance of or mental capacity to accept contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.
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--G. Orwell
replies 104Dec 20, 2017 7:16 AM +00:00

Considering how much of Trump country is receiving aid in these forms, this is gonna be a really interesting turn of events.

--Anonymous
replies 105Dec 20, 2017 7:51 AM +00:00