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Southern California Wildfires Force Thousands to Flee


A pair of destructive wildfires fanned by Santa Ana winds roared through Southern California overnight.
The Weather Channel
replies 163Dec 5, 2017 7:38 AM +00:00

OP why the WTF?? I don't see what is so odd about this story to cause you to be such a damn MARY! Drop the drama.

replies 1Dec 5, 2017 7:42 AM +00:00

Nice bi polar metal case overreaction, r1.

replies 2Dec 5, 2017 7:44 AM +00:00

Sorry, R3, but he's right. It's Southern California. And Wildfires. No big WTF.

replies 3Dec 5, 2017 7:52 AM +00:00

Not in Dec, r3/hon. Duh!

replies 4Dec 5, 2017 7:57 AM +00:00

This is an example of something blue state california needs to look to red southeatern states. They need to stop focusing on fire supression and incorporate large scale prescribed burns.

As deadly wildfires blaze, the state looks to adopt the Southern tradition of prescribed burning.
replies 5Dec 5, 2017 8:02 AM +00:00

CA is becoming a less habitable place with each year.

replies 6Dec 5, 2017 8:03 AM +00:00

3 wildfires now and the So Cal wildfire don't wipe out out neighborhoods every year. This is usual.

replies 7Dec 5, 2017 9:00 AM +00:00

Santa Paul Ca fire - 175 homes lost and 30,000 people evacuated. 50,000 acres 0% containment. 1 dead.

Sylmar fire - 34 home lost 2,700 homes evacuated

Santa Clarita - 1,000 acres 0% containment.

r1 and r3, YOU'RE WRONG but I'm sure that's not unusual for the two of you.

replies 8Dec 5, 2017 11:09 AM +00:00

It was REALLY windy last night. Combined with the fact that we've had virtually no measurable rain this fall, and you have very dangerous conditions.

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A fast-moving, wind-fueled brush fire has burned about 10,000 acres in the foothills near Thomas Aquinas College in Santa Paula, officials said.
replies 11Dec 5, 2017 3:10 PM +00:00

Endless coverage.

replies 12Dec 5, 2017 3:16 PM +00:00

I feel bad for the people of Santa Clarita. Earlier this year they had a flood, now they have a fire to contend with.

replies 13Dec 5, 2017 3:16 PM +00:00

No, these fires are different especially on the heals of Santa Rosa.

The weather is just different here now. It's changed. No rain. Long periods of strange high clouds. Wildfires with no chance of containment that hit homes.

--Lifelong CA who has lived through a few fire seasons
replies 14Dec 5, 2017 3:17 PM +00:00

r1 and r3 on a date.
replies 15Dec 5, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

Now Bel Air along the 405.

Homeless people camped in the brush below the expensive houses set fires to keep warm and then the winds rise.

replies 16Dec 6, 2017 6:24 AM +00:00

Beverly Glen is closed...massive fire.

replies 17Dec 6, 2017 6:39 AM +00:00

Now it's a rich, white people fire. 405 closed in BOTH directions. END TIMES!

replies 18Dec 6, 2017 6:46 AM +00:00

Sad Last Days

replies 19Dec 6, 2017 6:51 AM +00:00

The South has nothing to teach California in the wildfire department. A controlled burn in an area with 50 inches of annual rain is not the same as a controlled burn in an area with 15 inches.

replies 20Dec 6, 2017 7:14 AM +00:00

These are super-fires, they are advancing a football field a second. This is an ecological disaster.

California is treating them as five different fires: Ventura, San Bernardino, Sylmar, Bel Air, and Santa Clarita.

Live updates:

Dec. 6, 2017, 8:17 a.m. Aerial view shows Skirball fire from the Valley An aerial view of the Bel-Air area shows the Skirball fire, which prompted the closure of the 405 Freeway as well as mandatory evacuations. (KTLA) Ojai Ventura fire Dec. 6, 2017, 7:49 a.m. Flames and Santa Ana winds batter...
replies 21Dec 6, 2017 7:35 AM +00:00

Does anyone think someone is setting these fires?

replies 22Dec 6, 2017 7:38 AM +00:00

It's strange but these fires almost sound strategic. There will be an exodus of democrats out of these counties if for no other reason that there is nothing to come back to. The fires have destroyed everything.

“my buddy going to work today #SKIRBALLFIRE #Brentwood #405 #Fire #video”
replies 23Dec 6, 2017 7:52 AM +00:00

A lot of speculation that these are politically connected arsons. In other times, we would have laughed. How depressing that it would even seem like a possibility.

replies 24Dec 6, 2017 7:56 AM +00:00

Not gonna happen, R23.

--Rich, white, Democratic, liberal, rich
replies 25Dec 6, 2017 7:56 AM +00:00

If anything, those day laborers will have lots more work because those multi million dollar homes need to be rebuilt. If the fires destroyed neighborhoods like Westwood and WLA, you'd have a bigger problem because many of those homeowners are mortgaged to the teeth and live on credit cards.

replies 26Dec 6, 2017 8:00 AM +00:00

West Hollywood gays, I think our time has arrived you whores. : (

You stay safe out there and remember we can always set up camp in another part of Souther Cali. Nothing we can't rebuilt later on. Love you all.

“The Hollywood Sign #SkirballFire”
--We were here bitches
replies 27Dec 6, 2017 8:00 AM +00:00

They're being set. I thought the same about the Nor Cal ones.

replies 28Dec 6, 2017 8:07 AM +00:00

You can smell the smoke in Santa Monica this AM!

replies 29Dec 6, 2017 8:10 AM +00:00

OH NO, Rupert Murdoch's home just exploded as per NBC LA.

--Big smile
replies 30Dec 6, 2017 8:17 AM +00:00

I stand by r16.

replies 31Dec 6, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

DM reporting multiple incidents started fires.

Celebrities could be forced to leave the sanctuary of their estates due to a roaring wildfire tearing through southern California. Kylie Jenner is one of the celebrities in the path of the inferno.
Mail Online
replies 32Dec 6, 2017 8:43 AM +00:00

sorry re 20 but your wrong. The issue isnt just rain or lack there of... it is vegetation. Both have fire dependant ecosystems with vegetation that needs to burn to reproduce. Some parts of Florida get over 90 inches of rain. Yet they are highly fire prone due to native vegetation that is easily ignited by lightening. Waxly vegetation like saw palmeto burns as hot as Chaparral plants in california: both act as accelerants that spread fire which is required for seed germination. In much of the southeast the prescribed fires are done in the driest and coldest months (jan-feb). The chumash indians regualrly conducted prescribed fires to improve biodiversity.

replies 33Dec 6, 2017 8:44 AM +00:00

But look on the bright side- California is now a Sanctuary State!

--Waving a red flag in front of bull (shitter) Donny J T
replies 34Dec 6, 2017 8:53 AM +00:00

Hope the Getty Museum survives.
replies 35Dec 6, 2017 8:56 AM +00:00

California also has some added species like eucalyptus that spread fire.

replies 36Dec 6, 2017 9:02 AM +00:00

Bel Air and Brentwood had a massive fire in 1961 that burned 500 homes including the homes of Burt Lancaster and Zsa Zsa Gabor.

Celebrity-studded 1961 Bel Air fire forced major changes in fire safety rules
--Paris Hilton
replies 37Dec 6, 2017 9:04 AM +00:00

R35, The Getty is the other side of the 405 Freeway, and for now, is not threatened, thanks to calm winds. (they had already planned to be closed today, due to overall air quality/particulate matter from the Sylmar fire).

However, if this fire had started 24 hours earlier, when the winds were blowing so fiercely, it would have been VERY bad news. The fire would have jumped the 405 wthin minutes and would be raging southwest across the hills of Brentwood, threatening the Getty, Mount Saint Mary's college, Mandeville Canyon.

replies 38Dec 6, 2017 9:22 AM +00:00

I drove Interstate 15 south on Monday and in the stretch from the Cajon Pass down through Ontario, Norco and Corona the wind was hellacious. Trash blowing all over the freeway, dust, the car shaking... I drove slower than normal but many cars were still just flying right along at 80 mph.

replies 39Dec 6, 2017 9:26 AM +00:00

The fire even made it to the Pacific Ocean.

The Thomas Fire has reached the Pacific Ocean -- jumping the 101 Freeway in Santa Paula. Crystal Cruz reports.
replies 40Dec 6, 2017 9:37 AM +00:00

Trump is destroying the world.

replies 41Dec 6, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00

Jason, get me the hose.

--Barbra Brolin of Malibu
replies 42Dec 6, 2017 1:11 PM +00:00

Does anyone seriously think they are being set by someone? Who? Why? Or is it natural?

replies 43Dec 6, 2017 1:17 PM +00:00


Who wait until the Santa Ana winds come up?

replies 44Dec 6, 2017 3:49 PM +00:00

Homeless camps, that's where they are starting...

replies 45Dec 6, 2017 5:30 PM +00:00
replies 46Dec 6, 2017 8:01 PM +00:00

Magic Mountain
replies 47Dec 6, 2017 8:09 PM +00:00
replies 48Dec 6, 2017 8:12 PM +00:00
replies 49Dec 6, 2017 8:30 PM +00:00

I heard someone on the news say if the fire reaches Santa Paula they'd be unable to do anything about it. I didn't catch why Santa Paula is a problem?

replies 50Dec 6, 2017 8:38 PM +00:00

It wasn't me!
replies 51Dec 6, 2017 8:38 PM +00:00

Skirball Fire this morning along the Sepulveda Pass

These motorists were left in awe at how close they were to the Skirball fire on Wednesday morning. Full story: Produced by LA Blake
replies 52Dec 6, 2017 8:48 PM +00:00

OT but Eric Garcetti's [slow] Spanish is so understandable.

replies 53Dec 6, 2017 9:03 PM +00:00

r48 I got that alert too.

replies 54Dec 6, 2017 9:07 PM +00:00

The Santa Ana winds have kicked up again. My windows are rattling and my house keeps popping and creaking.

replies 55Dec 6, 2017 9:15 PM +00:00

The only thing I can think of about Santa Paula burning is the thin roads and old wood houses

replies 56Dec 6, 2017 9:18 PM +00:00


“Witnesses say this man pulled over to save a wild rabbit from flames along Highway 1 in Southern California as the massive #ThomasFire spreads toward Santa Barbara County.”
replies 57Dec 6, 2017 9:19 PM +00:00

No big whoop.

--Suzanne Sugarbaker
replies 58Dec 6, 2017 9:49 PM +00:00

In an updated story, though THOUSANDS have fled, MILLIONS of illegals have moved into their homes, on fire or not.

replies 59Dec 6, 2017 10:32 PM +00:00

It is only getting worse.

replies 60Dec 7, 2017 7:03 AM +00:00

There was a new fire in Malibu, but it was contained before it could threaten homes.

So I guess Babs's mall won't be having a fire sale.

replies 61Dec 7, 2017 8:12 AM +00:00
Does anyone think someone is setting these fires?

Considering the last one affected the wine and weed industries, I wouldn't rule it out.

replies 62Dec 7, 2017 8:14 AM +00:00

It looks like Mother Nature is having her period.

replies 63Dec 7, 2017 8:17 AM +00:00
Arsonists? Who wait until the Santa Ana winds come up?

Are you kidding? That's the perfect cover to make it look accidental.

replies 64Dec 7, 2017 8:19 AM +00:00

That is truly terrifying shit!

replies 65Dec 7, 2017 8:25 AM +00:00

Yeah, what R64 said. Why would anyone be surprised that Arsonists would strike when the ideal conditions are met?

replies 66Dec 7, 2017 12:08 PM +00:00

Is there a law in CA that you must have fire insurance?

replies 67Dec 7, 2017 2:41 PM +00:00

Guys, I have a bunch of stuff in storage in Monrovia. Do I need to go get it before the warehouse burns down? Can I even get out there at this point? Also, I was planning to go to downtown LA on that trip. Is that a mess too?

I recently sold property in the Temecula area, near Murrieta. For years, there was some nutter out there who would set fires every year. I don’t know if they ever caught him. There were a lot of copycat fires out there year after year, so expect more in the Riverside area. Lots of dry brush near the freeways.

--Las Vegean, who really doesn’t want to if I don’t have to.
replies 68Dec 7, 2017 2:59 PM +00:00

The Liberty Fire broke out in Murrieta just this afternoon.

replies 69Dec 7, 2017 3:11 PM +00:00

It’s probably the copycat pyro out there, R69. Anything near Monrovia yet? Do I have to go rent a truck?

replies 70Dec 7, 2017 3:25 PM +00:00

Yes, you need fire insurance if you live in certain areas and have a mortgage.

replies 71Dec 7, 2017 4:12 PM +00:00
Is there a law in CA that you must have fire insurance?

If you have a mortgage the bank requires it. You don't have to if you don't have a mortgage but it would be completely insane not to have it.

replies 72Dec 7, 2017 4:22 PM +00:00

How are the DL Californians? Are you safe?

replies 73Dec 7, 2017 5:28 PM +00:00

Safe, but the air is filled with smoke, and the dry winds are doing a number on my eyes, nose, and throat.

replies 74Dec 7, 2017 5:47 PM +00:00

Take care of yourself, R74. It must be tough for people with lung conditions.

replies 75Dec 7, 2017 5:52 PM +00:00
Guys, I have a bunch of stuff in storage in Monrovia. Do I need to go get it before the warehouse burns down? Can I even get out there at this point? Also, I was planning to go to downtown LA on that trip. Is that a mess too?

I live near Monrovia (where the new Aldi opened today!) No fires anywhere near here. Yet.

replies 76Dec 7, 2017 9:31 PM +00:00

Today I broke down crying after reading a tweet about people trying to rescue 1,000 horses and there not being means to save them. KTLA said the fires were entering Los Angeles National Forest. There are a lot of animal sanctuaries in those areas from mosquitoes to wild cats and elephants. : (

I hate tin hats but this fires are suspicious. People can rebuild houses, and so far people are being smart about evacuating, but the bunnie farms and our animal sanctuaries will not be so lucky. Logistically it seems impossible to save every animal.

replies 77Dec 7, 2017 9:58 PM +00:00

I live in Ventura. Monday night and Tuesday were the worst in my area. Safe now, but the sky is still hideous and it stinks like a campfire. We're supposed to boil any tap water before using it for drinking, cooking, etc. There's also a curfew from 10PM-5AM, supposedly to prevent looting in evacuated areas.

replies 78Dec 7, 2017 10:17 PM +00:00

And now San Diego has the Lilac Fires...

--Starting to wonder if someone could be doing all of this.
replies 79Dec 7, 2017 11:26 PM +00:00

During ww2, the Japanese hatched a plan to start wildfires in the NW.

Killed one woman on a church picnic in Oregon

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replies 81Dec 8, 2017 12:29 AM +00:00

One of the tv news anchors said that this was too coincidental to be a natural disaster. I was shocked he said that on tv. I think there is a growing concern with Californians that this might be premeditated.

This fires will definitely change the outcome of the 2018 elections. Maybe the two Russian puppets Darrel Issa and Dana Rohrabacher might be able to keep their seats after all.

replies 82Dec 8, 2017 1:12 AM +00:00

Rachel Maddow called Rohrabacher "the senator from Moscow" the other day. Just slipped it into a comment about other things. Loved it.

replies 83Dec 8, 2017 1:15 AM +00:00

r83 He's not a senator, so ???

replies 84Dec 8, 2017 9:06 AM +00:00
Los Angeles National Forest.

It's just "Angeles National Forest." No "Los."

replies 85Dec 8, 2017 9:06 AM +00:00

In the recent fires up north, the owner was able to save 1000 exotic animals in his wildlife sanctuary.

The story of a man who saved a thousand animals from relentless flames with nothing more than a winding chain of garden hoses has become almost biblical.
Santa Rosa Press Democrat
replies 86Dec 8, 2017 9:08 AM +00:00
During ww2, the Japanese hatched a plan to start wildfires in the NW.

So, r80, you're saying the Japanese are just slow and with poor direction?

--If so, I don't think that is true.
replies 87Dec 8, 2017 9:13 AM +00:00

Thanks so much, R76.

I have elderly friends in Ventura on East Thompson Road I’m worried about. They have a shop full of antiques and have lived there all their lives.

replies 88Dec 8, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00

R87, it involved a low tech plan of using the jet stream to drift balloons over the west coast that started fires:

In the 1940s, the Japanese were mapping out air currents by launching balloons attached with measuring instruments from the western side of Japan and picking them up on the eastern side. The researchers noticed that a strong air current traveled across the Pacific at about 30,000 feet. Using that knowledge, in 1944 the Japanese military made what many experts consider the first intercontinental weapon system: explosive devices attached to paper balloons that were buoyed across the ocean by a jet stream.

The first intercontinental weapons were U.S.-bound balloon bombs that hitched a ride on a jet stream from WWII Japan.
National Geographic News
--The More You Know.
replies 89Dec 8, 2017 9:35 AM +00:00


replies 90Dec 8, 2017 9:49 AM +00:00

In January of this year, there was some kind of newsletter that came out, from ISIS or ISIS-affiliated org., that put forward the idea of starting wildfires to invoke terror. There was a section in the document, titled Just Terror, that gave highly detailed ways to use fire as a weapon - the inspiration of their idea came from fires in Israel. The details were straight-out disgusting - how to plan the fires to trap exits, where to set them for maximum damage, how, ways to make sure the arsonists don't end up setting themselves on fire in the process, ect.

NOT saying they did it, but the thought has crossed my mind. After reading about the newsletter, of course it did.

replies 91Dec 8, 2017 9:53 AM +00:00

Here’s an article about the Israeli fires which were treated as a terrorist attack. The article is from November 2016, but it sounds like there were a lot of fires before that.

I read elsewhere that ISIS was suggesting fires as a form of terrorism as early as 2012. People in California are used to fires and take something like this for granted. But it’s pretty obvious at least some of the later fires are probably copycat arson.

It’s not out of the question that somebody that’s organized like the Russians or ISIS could be doing it on purpose. The whole point is terrorism without anyone to retaliate against, since you can’t prove anything.

Residents of Israel's third largest …
replies 92Dec 8, 2017 10:06 AM +00:00

It’s so sad, R77. Stories and video coming out where people are trying to rescue horses have me in tears. The gentle barn (Santa Clarita area I believe) seems ok. Thanks for checking in, R78.

replies 93Dec 8, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

r46 i love it the homeless get the last laugh on these overly lavish homes.

replies 94Dec 8, 2017 11:45 AM +00:00

"She comes down from Yellow Mountain..."

--1975 when she busted down her stall
replies 95Dec 8, 2017 11:51 AM +00:00

...thoughts and prayers

Track 1 from the 1972 album, "Homecoming". Full "Homecoming" album playlist -
replies 96Dec 8, 2017 11:56 AM +00:00

R68 The air quality here is awful. I have a relative who works outdoors for the high schools. The grounds employees tried to go back to work today, had to wear masks, and couldn't make it past two hours. If anything, it's worse than yesterday. Hope your friends are ok. (If they own the shop next to the Hong Kong Inn- that place is amazing!)

replies 97Dec 8, 2017 1:38 PM +00:00

R78, They own a shop in a residential section with another antique store across the street. Both shops are in converted houses.

There is some sort of motel looking thing down the street, and their house/store is amazing. All the walls were painted mustard yellow with Spanish motif floral murals around all the doors by their daughter. They have beautiful furniture and paintings, it’s something really special. Not a junk store, everything is specifically in the Old California style. It would be a shame if they lost that place, it’s their life’s work.

They opened their store in 1979.

replies 98Dec 8, 2017 1:47 PM +00:00

Oh, ok. I know the place just from your description. I've heard they're very helpful and are wonderful at zooming in on just what you want. Thanks for responding!

replies 99Dec 8, 2017 4:50 PM +00:00

Is it real now?

Paris Hilton, Lionel Richie, other celebs flee homes as So. Calif. wildfires close in

Several celebrities evacuated their homes Wednesday as multiple wildfires continued burning uncontrolled across Los Angeles County.
replies 100Dec 8, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

Debby Boone will sing us all to sleep.

Lyrics: The Sierra mountains rise up as you float down to L. A. The Pacific roars hello It's another surfin' day Everyone out here is pretty Someone's bound ...
replies 101Dec 8, 2017 6:00 PM +00:00

What the motherfucking hell is going on in Ojai right now? The fire map shows it surrounded on three sides by active fires, with all the major roads in fire zones! Is it even possible to evacuate, if the wind kicks up?

I was there in early November, and yeah, the entire area was tinder-dry.

Offsite Link
replies 102Dec 8, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00

arson should not be dismissed. it's odd.

replies 103Dec 8, 2017 9:48 PM +00:00

My friend in Ojai couldn't take it there anymore, packed a suitcase and took the train down here to Laguna. She took a video of all the rooms and doesn't give a shit at this point.

replies 104Dec 8, 2017 9:53 PM +00:00

Like many of you here on DL, I’ve (reluctantly) suspected that several of these fires have been deliberately set.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist and it was another friend out here in SoCal who pointed out to me how so many fires happening in so many unconnected areas in December here was bizarre—and also how the Santa Ana winds are an arsonists dream (good cover for them and helps their “work” spread quickly).

With all the different, unconnected fire locations continuing to pop up and so much damage and destruction happening (I cried seeing the footage of the burning horses running for their lives), this all makes me furious and I’m inclined to think people *are* setting these fires.

I hope the L.A. Sheriff’s Department and the LAPD are developing better arson investigation units so this won’t happen anymore or at least can be stopped quicker in the future.

One confirmed arsonist was caught last night in Anaheim Hills by 2 good Samaritans who saw him sneaking around in the brush in the dark...

A man suspected of trying to start fires in the Anaheim Hills area Friday night was taken into custody, thanks to the help of two good Samaritans.
ABC7 Los Angeles
replies 105Dec 9, 2017 3:00 AM +00:00

Why are we focusing on stopping rogue actors of the fires? Why not just stop the Santa Ana winds?

--Dr. Saturn, evil genius M.D.
replies 106Dec 9, 2017 3:19 AM +00:00

Most insurance companies will not insure properties deemed to be in fire areas which is most of the state outside major cities.

So the state of Calif has provided the possibility of fire insurance through the state for those who cannot obtain it through their insurance companies. OK good, but its very expensive Outrageously expensive.

replies 107Dec 9, 2017 8:17 AM +00:00


Firefighters battling brush fire in Monrovia area

replies 108Dec 9, 2017 7:26 PM +00:00


#Huntley Hotel in Santa Monica burning

“#Huntley Hotel in Santa Monica burning”
replies 109Dec 9, 2017 7:27 PM +00:00


Lilac Fire: At Least 46 Horses Dead, Others Missing From San Diego County Training Facility
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2 minutes ago

#BREAKING: Evacuations have been ordered as a brush fire burns in Monrovia

replies 111Dec 9, 2017 7:47 PM +00:00


Unexplained plane lights seen over South Carolina county


Strange lights over Denver tonight, too

replies 112Dec 9, 2017 7:48 PM +00:00

Californians, how are things where you are? How are you?

replies 113Dec 9, 2017 7:56 PM +00:00

stay safe DLers in CA!!! I'm praying for ya!

replies 114Dec 9, 2017 8:04 PM +00:00


The #thomasfire has now burned 155,000 acres. Fire fighters will do a controlled burn tonight near Lake Casitas to burn brush between the fire and highway 150.

replies 115Dec 9, 2017 8:08 PM +00:00

Monrovia now

“#BREAKING - Brush fire above #Monrovia @cbsla”
replies 116Dec 9, 2017 8:19 PM +00:00

r1 and r3 = fucktard douche cunts.

replies 117Dec 9, 2017 9:13 PM +00:00

How do these individual hotels and homes (like the one in Santa Monica and the few luxe houses in Bel Air) keep getting started on fire??

I still think there’s arson involved here...

replies 118Dec 10, 2017 2:22 AM +00:00

Wildfires do send out sparks, R118, which can set fires at some distance from the main blaze.

But if anyone in the area thinks that a fire insurance payout might be worth the trouble, there might be other explanations....

replies 119Dec 10, 2017 7:39 AM +00:00

They are investigating Monrovia as arson.

replies 120Dec 10, 2017 7:51 AM +00:00

I believe they're being set.

replies 121Dec 10, 2017 8:02 AM +00:00

The Ventura fire just topped 200,000 acres

replies 122Dec 10, 2017 5:00 PM +00:00

who is starting the fires?

replies 123Dec 10, 2017 5:07 PM +00:00

Read In Suspect Terrain by John McPhee. People have no business living there. They should pay for the firefighting

replies 124Dec 10, 2017 5:08 PM +00:00

Ellen's beautiful Santa Barbara home, recently put on the market for $4o mill,' is about to be kindling.

"Our house is under threat of being burned," tweeted the comedian, whose home is threatened by the massive Thomas Fire
replies 125Dec 10, 2017 5:13 PM +00:00

Houses, or rather estates, currently for sale in Montecito.


Riskin Partners - The #1 Team in Montecito Real Estate
replies 126Dec 10, 2017 7:06 PM +00:00

Now, looters

A woman was arrested Saturday on suspicion of looting a home in Bonsall after deputies patrolling areas affected by the Lilac Fire caught her apparently burglarizing a home on Disney Lane, authorities said Sunday.
replies 127Dec 11, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

One week later, still out of control. 20% of Ventura Co. has been charred.

replies 128Dec 12, 2017 7:07 AM +00:00

Oprah evacuated as well.

replies 129Dec 12, 2017 7:30 AM +00:00
Oprah evacuated as well.

Ex-Lax or probiotics?

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replies 131Dec 12, 2017 8:19 AM +00:00

How the fire has grown over the past seven days.

“Battle against Thomas fire enters second week. This is how it's grown over that period of time”
replies 132Dec 12, 2017 10:23 AM +00:00

God hates remakes.

replies 133Dec 12, 2017 11:05 AM +00:00

Since the first padres opened the first missions in California, and since the first wagons of settlers came over the Sierras, two things have remained a constant (1) it is a highly-active earthquake zone and (2) Southern California has experienced landslides and wildfires. It they want to build these bigger and bigger mansions higher and higher into the mountainous arid near-desert forests, then go right ahead. Just don't complain when you $40 mil. burns to the ground or crumbles into the ocean.

replies 134Dec 12, 2017 11:18 AM +00:00

agree, r134

replies 135Dec 12, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00

I wonder whether the hurricanes keep wildfires from being more prevalent on the east coast.

replies 136Dec 12, 2017 11:26 AM +00:00

it rains in the summer on the east coast, that's why wildfires aren't such a problem there.

Really, people who live east of the Rockies don't understand how incredibly fucking dry California is by fall, in a normal year most of the state hasn't seen a drop of rain in six months by October. Southern California is naturally prone to wildfires, as the driest and most flammable part of the year coincides with the hard dry Santa Ana winds that blow into the desert; they not only turn a single spark from a cigarette into a raging firestorm, they blow the smoke and fire from wilderness to inhabited areas. Fires are so naturally common there that many of the plant species have evolved to propogate after the fires, they expect them to happen frequently.

Southern California could do a better job of managing fire risk, but I don't know how much can be done. I have no idea if they do controlled burns like they do in the Sierras, but the fact is that no amount of human management can control a force of nature. There ARE going to be fires there, no matter what the humans do, all we can do is work on protecting the inhabited areas.

replies 137Dec 12, 2017 12:17 PM +00:00

r137 you contradicted yourself.

If the climate is so volatile that a cigarette can cause an inferno, then human management can have a large impact. Earthquakes, which are tectonic phenomena of the earth's crust, can't be prevented by man. All you can do is cut through the usual bureaucratic corruption around building/zoning codes and hope for the best. Some wildfires are natural, but you can prevent many by draconian measures, including kicking homeless out of high fire areas, especially in peak season.

replies 138Dec 12, 2017 1:55 PM +00:00

When I lived in central California, it was dry most of the year except for 2-3 months starting in February, when it rained and everything briefly turned green.

replies 139Dec 12, 2017 2:17 PM +00:00

A group of hobos living under the Sepulveda pass started the Skirball- Bel Air fire.

A night around the fire roasting marshmellows went horribly awry.

The Skirball fire, which burned more than 400 acres, destroyed six homes and damaged 12 others, was sparked by a cooking fire at a homeless encampment near where Sepulveda Boulevard crosses under the 405 Freeway, officials said.
replies 140Dec 12, 2017 2:21 PM +00:00

Hobos have money for marshmallows? Or did they kill some other hobos and boil their bones for the gelatin, which was then used to make marshmallows, which then accidentally started the Bel Air fire?

replies 141Dec 12, 2017 2:22 PM +00:00

I was kidding about the marshmallows, R141.

They were trying to cook up the "campfire hobo dinner" as featured below.

In the sixties I was a Camp Fire Girl and this is a recipe we learned to make and cook over a campfire. We made ours with a pork chop, potatoes, carrots and onion. Ive tried to revise it so you can use any of your families favorite vegetables and meat. You could make these before you leave home and put them in a waterproof container in your ice chest. List of meats that work good: chicken tenders, smoked sausage slices, ground beef patties, ground turkey patties, thin boneless pork chops. List of vegetables that work good: carrots, green beans, corn, mixed vegetables, etc. (Vegetables can be fresh, frozen or canned). Be creative!
replies 142Dec 12, 2017 2:36 PM +00:00


Breaking: A cooking fire at a homeless encampment sparked Bel-Air's Skirball fire, officials say

replies 143Dec 12, 2017 2:44 PM +00:00

Hello R143 - please see above!

replies 144Dec 12, 2017 2:47 PM +00:00

Fossil records show that wildfires have been a problem in the Western U.S. for millennia, before people (including so-called Native Americans) even showed up. Entire species of plant life rely on the fires to spur reproduction. "Hobo campfires" may be blamed for recent fires, but the rampant development of multi-million dollar palaces in these highly susceptible mountainous arid forested regions is just stupid and short-sighted.

replies 145Dec 13, 2017 7:45 AM +00:00

What is keeping them from just clearing the brush away when it is a threat to human life?

replies 146Dec 13, 2017 7:49 AM +00:00

R146, all the mountains that surround the Santa Barbara, LA, and San Diego urban areas are naturally covered in "brush". You can't clear all the plant life out of an entire region!

Now all sensible property owners clear the brush away from their houses and in civilized areas the brush is gone and irrigated gardens have taken its place, but that's not enough to stop the wildfires. When the wind is strong and the flames are high, sparks can fly great distances and ignite almost anything, your roof, your garden, the brush on the next hill over, anything will burn because it's all so fucking dry by fall. I suppose there might be a program of clearing brush away from the perimeters of inhabited areas, but that would cost a lot of money, there are ecological concerns, and if you strop the vegetation off a mountainside it becomes more prone to landslides. Mother Nature intends that area to have wildfires, and stopping her getting what she wants is never that easy.

replies 147Dec 13, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

R16/R31 called it on the cause of the Skirball (Bel Air) fire.

replies 148Dec 13, 2017 10:36 PM +00:00

Someone's cookin!

--sniff sniff
replies 149Dec 14, 2017 1:45 AM +00:00

Still burning, still growing.

As for Skirball, they are busting the homeless living in the brush.

replies 150Dec 16, 2017 7:23 AM +00:00

And after all these years, there is nothing they can spray ahead of time to help retard fire? From helicopters like we did with the Med Fly? This has been going on forever.

replies 151Dec 16, 2017 7:26 AM +00:00

Agent Orange was once a popular choice

replies 152Dec 16, 2017 10:44 AM +00:00

r152 And now he's president.

replies 153Dec 16, 2017 11:02 AM +00:00

W&W R153. I'm calling him Agent Orange henceforth. Thank you.

replies 154Dec 16, 2017 5:48 PM +00:00


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replies 155Dec 17, 2017 9:33 AM +00:00

It was really windy last night in Northern California.

Was it the same down there in Southern California, and if so did it cause any new disasters?

replies 156Dec 17, 2017 9:35 AM +00:00

The winds finally hit the LA Basin early this AM.

Many trees down.

replies 157Dec 17, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00

Hate to get all Biblical on you but didn't the big guy promise not to flood the earth or destroy it with water? If so fire would be his other method, after all didn't he appear as a burning bush to someone?

replies 158Dec 17, 2017 10:30 AM +00:00

The Fire Next Time

replies 159Dec 17, 2017 10:37 AM +00:00


#ThomasFire grows to 420 square miles; full containment not expected until Jan. 7

replies 160Dec 17, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00


The massive Thomas Fire continues to grow as strong, shifting winds bring new dangers

replies 161Dec 17, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

This is beyond a massive tragedy. It seems like we have had so many natural disasters this past year. I’m surprised that there isn’t more coverage of this on the national news. Praying for California.

replies 162Dec 17, 2017 2:37 PM +00:00

But her emails!

replies 163Dec 18, 2017 9:03 PM +00:00