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Theatre Gossip #282: What's That Got To Do With Ricky's Knob edition

Let's keep it Broadway-relevant and not keep it from getting derailed like an indoor train set.

Nevertheless I still find it funny how Disney hired liberals and Norman Lear hired Republicans. God bless America.

replies 601Dec 3, 2017 8:27 AM +00:00

who's excited and scared about tomorrow morning?

replies 1Dec 3, 2017 8:35 AM +00:00

The suspense is growing, that's for sure.

replies 2Dec 3, 2017 10:04 AM +00:00

Is the sun coming out?

--Little Orphan You-Know-Who
replies 3Dec 3, 2017 10:05 AM +00:00

I hope tomorrow's big reveal isn't as much of a non-event as the title of this thread.

replies 4Dec 3, 2017 10:07 AM +00:00

The last thread took an unexpected detour. I'm trying to steer it back.

What big announcement?

replies 5Dec 3, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

you're KIDDING,right?

replies 6Dec 3, 2017 10:10 AM +00:00

You did a shit job. leave it to the professionals next time.

And if you don't know what big announcement, then you couldn't have been that involved with the last thread since the entire final third was all about it.

replies 7Dec 3, 2017 10:11 AM +00:00

I’m hearing there might not be an article tomorrow. This is a gossipy little world we live in. Who knows what’s really happening (if anything)?

replies 8Dec 3, 2017 10:13 AM +00:00

R7: I was reading other parts of the thread. Mainly the parts about Angela Lansbury, especially when one considers the timing of her public statement about women's clothes and the death of the man who enabled LucyMAME. Whether you agree with her or not, is this what we have come to as a society? Making a pariah out of Angela Lansbury, of all people. I never heard of any right-wing sympathies on her part.

replies 9Dec 3, 2017 10:14 AM +00:00

Can we kill this thread and start over?

replies 10Dec 3, 2017 10:16 AM +00:00

I wish I had had that option.

--R10's mother
replies 11Dec 3, 2017 10:18 AM +00:00

You tried it, R11. If only you tried that hard to read and write.

replies 12Dec 3, 2017 10:21 AM +00:00

What a let down if said article doesn’t come out or is underwhelming.

replies 13Dec 3, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00

I learned to read and write when I was 3, R12. Sorry you had to go through puberty first. I guess Hooked on Phonics worked for you.

--Call 1-800-ABCDEFG
replies 14Dec 3, 2017 10:24 AM +00:00

I wonder if Cristin Milioti will be named since she clearly used sex to get what she wanted.

replies 15Dec 3, 2017 10:24 AM +00:00

which loon is R9/R11/R14, Pro or anti Poppins?

replies 16Dec 3, 2017 10:26 AM +00:00

No one sane likes that horrifically annoying shit, R15. The same year it came out, the sugar industry launched a propaganda campaign similar to the one the tobacco industry. That movie helped enable the obesity epidemic.

Think of all the time Walt could have been spending on EPCOT instead. One of its goals was to help prevent poverty before it starts. Look at the areas in Anaheim outside of Disneyland; it's as far from The Happiest Place on Earth as you can get. Disney today has fallen far short of that ideal.

replies 17Dec 3, 2017 10:30 AM +00:00

ummm.... R17?

replies 18Dec 3, 2017 10:31 AM +00:00

Sorry that was for R16.

replies 19Dec 3, 2017 10:33 AM +00:00

Here we are, face to face with reality:

Sugar companies sponsored research to influence the scientific debate to cast doubt on the hazards of sugar and to promote dietary fat as the culprit in heart disease, a report says.
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I knew the loon was in here.

replies 21Dec 3, 2017 10:35 AM +00:00

You're it, R21.

replies 22Dec 3, 2017 10:36 AM +00:00

Oh look!
--It's Elaine as Vera....
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Who consumed more alcohol in their respective lifetimes, Elaine Stritch or Dorothy Loudon?

replies 24Dec 3, 2017 10:56 AM +00:00

It would appear that when Miss Paige took over they re-set the period to 1968.
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I want to pinch the buttocks of all the chorus boys on Broadway!!!

replies 26Dec 3, 2017 10:58 AM +00:00

"Pinch" is such an ugly word. I prefer "goose."

replies 27Dec 3, 2017 11:00 AM +00:00

If you need New Year's to bubble r24, then order a double and......
replies 28Dec 3, 2017 11:02 AM +00:00

It's high time the other Mames besides Angela and Lucy got their due.

replies 29Dec 3, 2017 11:04 AM +00:00

One of the guys rumored to be a big part of the alleged times piece is posting on social media like nothing is wrong whatsoever. I would assume the times would have reached out to him for comment on the allegations, so that says to me that piece isn’t running, OR one of the rumored men is not involved.

I don’t think he’d be posting the way he is if his life is going to be ruined in mere hours.

replies 30Dec 3, 2017 11:12 AM +00:00

That iconic yellow beaded pants ensemble that introduces us to Mame in It's Today! really saw a a lot of transformations over the years the show ran on Broadway and on tour.

Most interesting fact is it was a sleeveless camisole when Lansbury (who was no spring chicken) wore it at the premiere. I'm not so sure it didn't have sleeves added before she left the show but it was certainly sleeved for every Mame afterwards. The legs of the pants also became progressively wider (Janet Blair on tour) or narrower (Ann Miller) at the closing.

And then Celeste Holm wouldn't wear yellow. She insisted on pink, which wasn't necessarily a tragedy except the entire ensemble was dressed in golds, silvers, greys and blacks to key off of Mame's yellow sequins and beads.

--Robert Mackintosh
replies 31Dec 3, 2017 11:12 AM +00:00

My guess is the NY Times article will run tomorrow but will be nothing more than an essay in speculation by numerous anonymous sources offering up several unnamed suspects.

In another words, no big deal.

replies 32Dec 3, 2017 11:16 AM +00:00

"Due" r29? I deserved combat pay having Elaine as my Vera!
--Jan Blair
replies 33Dec 3, 2017 11:17 AM +00:00

So much for hope and change.

It’s interesting to me that so many in Hollywood was able to be taken down and yet Broadway is less likely to do so.

There is talent in the world that doesn’t involve sexual assault and gross behavior.

replies 34Dec 3, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00
There is talent in the world that doesn’t involve sexual assault and gross behavior.

You mean they pick their noses during their fart lighting and/or belching contests?

replies 35Dec 3, 2017 11:24 AM +00:00

THANK YOU r23!!! I once told a bitchy theater queen that Stritch had played Vera and he didn't believe me. I could never find the proof for it though. Now I've got it and I'm going to hunt that bitchy queen down and rub his nose in that picture.

I had heard that in some summer stock production that Stritch and another actress (sorry can't remember who) had done Mame and each of them traded roles night after night. So one night Stritch played Vera, then the next night Mame. But I haven't been able to find absolute proof that that is true.

replies 36Dec 3, 2017 11:28 AM +00:00

R36, there's something called "Google".
replies 37Dec 3, 2017 11:31 AM +00:00

Google again
replies 38Dec 3, 2017 11:32 AM +00:00

Yes r37/r38, I know. Those images didn't show up the last time I searched (which was a few years ago). I actually forgot about it until I saw the post on this thread.

replies 39Dec 3, 2017 11:34 AM +00:00

So was Janet Blair the actress who switched roles with Elaine nightly?

replies 40Dec 3, 2017 11:44 AM +00:00

Stritch didn’t switch roles. Her story was she wanted to do Mame with Judy Garland and they would switch roles based upon who drank the least that day. (The more sober one would play Mame, the more drunk one would play Vera.)

replies 41Dec 3, 2017 11:49 AM +00:00

--I want to live and cry tomorrow
replies 42Dec 3, 2017 11:56 AM +00:00

During one summer stock stint, Stritch alternated nights playing Martha in Virginia Wolf and Mrs. Anna in TKAI.

replies 43Dec 3, 2017 11:59 AM +00:00

And Judy's comment was: "What about matinees?"

replies 44Dec 3, 2017 12:00 PM +00:00

I can't tell if she's doing Mame or Little Foxes......
--or maybe King and I?
replies 45Dec 3, 2017 12:02 PM +00:00

She had sleeves on her LIFE cover.....
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During one summer stock stint, Stritch alternated nights playing Martha in Virginia Wolf and Mrs. Anna in TKAI.

It didn't go well one night when Mrs Anna said to the King of Siam, "Why don't we play Hump The Hostess?"

replies 47Dec 3, 2017 12:14 PM +00:00

r31 - Years ago I was pulling from Eaves-Brooks MAME stock and they had a green version. Have no idea who it was originally built for. I should have looked for the label.

--oh well
replies 48Dec 3, 2017 12:15 PM +00:00

Whatever Celeste......
replies 49Dec 3, 2017 12:18 PM +00:00

Sleeveless is much MAMEier.....
--don't you think?
replies 50Dec 3, 2017 12:26 PM +00:00

Did Ann Sothern ever play Mame? There were a number of elegant ladies who really could pull Mame off back then. Nowadays, it's much harder to cast than Jerry Herman's other principal lady, Dolly, who can be played by nearly every type.

replies 51Dec 3, 2017 12:40 PM +00:00

I don't know r51, but by 1968 she sure wouldn't have had the figure for it. Her Rose was supposed to have been swell.

replies 52Dec 3, 2017 1:16 PM +00:00

Both characters share a cunning charm r51, but Mame Dennis really requires glamour on top of it....not to mention a sophisticated zaniness that Roz originally imprinted on the role.

replies 53Dec 3, 2017 1:22 PM +00:00

Thanks for the super gay synopsis.

replies 54Dec 3, 2017 1:23 PM +00:00

Mame should have worn green.
replies 55Dec 3, 2017 1:29 PM +00:00

She wore green the last time.....

--the time she was ha-a-appy
replies 56Dec 3, 2017 1:31 PM +00:00
not to mention a sophisticated zaniness that Roz originally imprinted on the role.

Roz didn't imprint that on the role, it's part of the character in the original books. There's an incident in one of the books where Mame takes Patrick to a nudist party. Mame was zany while Roz was still hoofing it in Garrick's Gaities on Broadway.

replies 57Dec 3, 2017 1:31 PM +00:00

Another useless bit of Jerry Herman costume trivia:

All of the Broadway Dollys and original tour Dollys wore more or less the same red gown for the title number. But Ethel Merman was the only one who wore NO diamond choker - her throat was bare. Pearl Bailey wore a diamond necklace, not a choker.

--Freddy Wittop
replies 58Dec 3, 2017 1:32 PM +00:00

Worst thread title EVAH.

replies 59Dec 3, 2017 1:32 PM +00:00

Scuttlebutt the NYT article will actually be the first in a series, they found so much about so many, and first installment will highlight a former chorus member who has risen to the rank of director-choreographer. Also another choreographer (who has directing credits) and that person's assistant.

There are certainly other directors, choreographers and casting directors who could be on the list. I was trying to list all the stories I've heard through the years from my actor friends, especially the good looking ones, straight and gay, men and women.

What really got Audition Update shut down on Friday?

replies 60Dec 3, 2017 1:36 PM +00:00

Angela, Dolores Gray and Nanette Fabray were the three finalists for Mame. Judy Garland was nearly signed as a replacement but the producers couldn't get insurance for her, the same reason she had to be dropped from Valley of the Dolls.

replies 61Dec 3, 2017 1:38 PM +00:00
Merman was the only one who wore NO diamond choker - her throat was bare.

Most of the photos I've seen have Merman without any choker, but she's wearing a simple one in this photo. Interesting.
--Perhaps it was a rehearsal photo
replies 62Dec 3, 2017 1:41 PM +00:00

Ethel worse a diamond choker at least once ...
replies 63Dec 3, 2017 1:42 PM +00:00

Yes r57, she did. That is why Patrick Dennis dedicated Around the World With Auntie Mame to her. Mame's zaniness on the page comes off as very self-centered and you could NEVER imagine her having warm maternal feelings for Patrick.

replies 64Dec 3, 2017 1:43 PM +00:00

I've always thought Jerry Mitchell was handsome. That's not something I can say for any of the other names outed as creeps in recent times.

replies 65Dec 3, 2017 1:43 PM +00:00

R61, a new story contradicts this. It's now alleged that Garland's management begged them not to hire her for fear that when she began missing performances, concert promoters would not hire her and concerts were her bread and butter.

replies 66Dec 3, 2017 1:46 PM +00:00

Channing, Ginger Rogers, and Betty Grable all wore black chokers with jewel overlays. Martha Raye and Phyllis Diller wore extravagant necklaces. Pearl Bailey wore a simple necklace.

replies 67Dec 3, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00

Stark Sands, spill!
replies 68Dec 3, 2017 1:49 PM +00:00

Could this whole NY Times expose be a DL scam, like the "ABC Insider" who swore that Marcia Cross was going to come out, even named the date, and she never did?

replies 69Dec 3, 2017 1:50 PM +00:00

Stark Sands has major BDF. Who is that in that picture with him?

replies 70Dec 3, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

r68, that photo is creepy as fuck.

replies 71Dec 3, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

Jerry Mitchell.

replies 72Dec 3, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

R69 How would that explain the Lea Salonga tweet?

replies 73Dec 3, 2017 1:52 PM +00:00

Of course a full figure didn't stop certain gals from assaying the role.
replies 74Dec 3, 2017 1:52 PM +00:00

What are Stark's eyes saying in this pic?
replies 75Dec 3, 2017 1:56 PM +00:00

Bears repeating: please flush out the ex-chorus boys forever. Bring back REAL DIRECTORS.

replies 76Dec 3, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

Was Bob Fosse never in the chorus?

replies 77Dec 3, 2017 1:58 PM +00:00

Broadway will never be the same in just a few more hours. That rumbling you hear is not applause from the evening performances. It’s the quaking of countless boots up and down the Westsiide.

replies 78Dec 3, 2017 1:59 PM +00:00

Is Jerry Mitchell the one whose Twitter is clueless re a big Times story?

replies 79Dec 3, 2017 2:03 PM +00:00

Jerry Mitchell is handsome and has big dick face.

replies 80Dec 3, 2017 2:05 PM +00:00

Let's face it, there's only so many directors and choreographers working today and absolutely none of them is as famous (or offers the isn't it shocking factor) as a TV star or a politician. Producers will be publicly appalled, but I doubt anyone, especially those who aren't working in movies or TV, is going to be blacklisted.

I'd love very much to be proven wrong.

replies 81Dec 3, 2017 2:08 PM +00:00

I've never seen the Oh Dad, Poor Dad film. Is it any good?
replies 82Dec 3, 2017 2:09 PM +00:00

Who is "Ronnie Cohen" in Follies? Does he have lines?

replies 83Dec 3, 2017 2:13 PM +00:00

I hope the Times reporters interviewed Matt Cavenaugh about his experience Arthur Laurents.

Mary Rodgers once said she'd tell the truth about Laurents after he was dead. But she didn't.

And then she died.

replies 84Dec 3, 2017 2:35 PM +00:00

Anything Roz Russell did from the mid-50s on was horribly overacted on her part, with the exception of Gypsy and those two Nun movies. But give her an inch - in a flamboyant part, like Oh Dad, Poor Dad, and she took 100 miles.

replies 85Dec 3, 2017 2:37 PM +00:00

Doesn't the Times go online with the next day's edition at midnight est, 9pm pst?

replies 86Dec 3, 2017 2:38 PM +00:00

Are there ANY straight directors and/or choreographers working on Broadway who could be named? I mean, other than Des McAnuff?

replies 87Dec 3, 2017 2:39 PM +00:00

R84 Well what did happen? Whatever it was was bad enough to see him quit acting and go back south. Mind you, didn't every chorus boy in that revival have to deal with Laurents?

replies 88Dec 3, 2017 2:42 PM +00:00
Worst thread title EVAH.

I disagree. This isn't even in the bottom 50.

replies 89Dec 3, 2017 2:45 PM +00:00

Just a few more hours girls!!

replies 90Dec 3, 2017 3:06 PM +00:00
Just a few more hours girls!!

It's like waiting for Santa to come down the chimney. I have my Twitter feed set to "Cynthia Erivo" because she's going to say the most outlandish things, especially if any of the people named are white.

replies 91Dec 3, 2017 3:35 PM +00:00

Santa's not gonna come if you keep sitting there waiting by the chimney.

--Lucy Ricardo — I hope that wasn't my Ricky you meant
replies 92Dec 3, 2017 3:46 PM +00:00

Listen, costume pieces exist for a reason. Channing wore a wide black and jewel choker because she had a very long neck. Merman had no neck; therefore, no choker.

replies 93Dec 3, 2017 3:55 PM +00:00

Do you think Carol will be buried in that red dress?

replies 94Dec 3, 2017 4:04 PM +00:00

It sounds like the Times piece will feature Jerry Mitchell, whom everyone likes, and Sergio Trujillo, who nobody likes.

I have seen them around town for 30 years, and Jerry has always been very friendly. I kissed Sergio a few times in the early 90s, just flirting on the dance floor. He has a reputation of being abusive to his casts, things like calling them fat. His long-time boyfriend Jack Noseworthy doesn't seem to have people ever saying warm things about him either. I have always gotten the feeling Jack isn't interested in people... other than Jack.

Any further news on the Justin Huff/Telsey saga?

replies 95Dec 3, 2017 4:26 PM +00:00

Well by all means R39 do talk of something you thought three years ago and don't bother to look for something more up to date. Lazy cow. And R41, that just is not so.

--Truth in .... oh, forget it.
replies 96Dec 3, 2017 4:33 PM +00:00

Sergio is supposed to be incredibly mean

replies 97Dec 3, 2017 4:39 PM +00:00

Sergio and Jack approached me years ago at Mr. BLACK and introduced themselves. I didn't know who they were until years later. I thought they were ugly and ran away.

replies 98Dec 3, 2017 4:56 PM +00:00

NY Times is just getting warmed up.

The company is investigating its revered conductor after three men came forward with accusations that he abused them when they were teenagers.
replies 99Dec 3, 2017 5:10 PM +00:00

One of the stories about Levine has him getting members of the fuckin' Cleveland Orchestra naked and blindfolded and getting encouraging them to get handy with each other and him.

replies 100Dec 3, 2017 5:14 PM +00:00

As mentioned above, another entertainment giant finally goes down after decades of scandal and cover ups. Not Broadway, but adjacent and of interest to some here.

replies 101Dec 3, 2017 5:42 PM +00:00

R68 - Stark Sands can buy his way into anything. There is no need for the casting couch. He is also talented. His family is probably richer than Ben Platt’s family.

replies 102Dec 3, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

When's the first suicide from this witchhunt?

replies 103Dec 3, 2017 6:20 PM +00:00
I hope the Times reporters interviewed Matt Cavenaugh about his experience Arthur Laurents.

Speaking of Matt Cavenaugh, did he ever get back in the business? Too bad he left -- he should've been enjoying a career similar to Andy Karl's by now.

replies 104Dec 3, 2017 6:32 PM +00:00

R104 You mean good work in numerous flops?

replies 105Dec 3, 2017 6:40 PM +00:00

As opposed to those who can't get any kind of work.

replies 106Dec 3, 2017 6:54 PM +00:00

Why do I feel we’re never going to see this Times article....

replies 107Dec 3, 2017 6:54 PM +00:00

Matt Cavanaugh can't act for shit. That's why he left the business. No jobs.

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Its the Last Midnight

Soundtrack available on iTunes - Get the deluxe bundle featuring collectible prints - Into The ...
--Donna M.
replies 109Dec 3, 2017 7:03 PM +00:00

Jack Noseworthy has a big dick. Jerry Mitchell has a pretty big dick. Ruth Mitchell had big balls...

--Judy Prince
replies 110Dec 3, 2017 7:12 PM +00:00

Will they reveal how the final male cast of Hairspray on Broadway earned their roles? Not pretty.

replies 111Dec 3, 2017 7:18 PM +00:00

R110 Noseworthy played Alan Strang in some production of "Equus" so that can conceivably be verified.

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r88 Was it Matt who went south or was it Laurents? Nyuk, nyuk.

Is it just me or is Salonga's tweet a bit thick with schadenfreude? And is it possible that the Levine story is the one we've been waiting for? Maybe the story is only Broadway-adjacent.

replies 114Dec 3, 2017 7:25 PM +00:00

12:30 and Broadway is sleeping soundly.

replies 115Dec 3, 2017 7:34 PM +00:00

So much for it being the city that never sleeps.

replies 116Dec 3, 2017 7:36 PM +00:00

I was looking at The Times site to see whether "that" article has been put up yet (no) and found Jesse Green's review of Once on This Island. It's pretty much a rave.

But then it did, and all I can say is that after a dismal theatrical fall, in which even the highlights seemed ashen, what a delight it is to enter the world of “Once on This Island.” The musical, first seen on Broadway in 1990, opened on Sunday in a ravishing revival directed by Michael Arden.
After a dismal theatrical fall, this 1990 musical fable, set in the French Antilles, is a big, bold delight.
replies 117Dec 3, 2017 7:43 PM +00:00
Jack Noseworthy has a big dick....

...for a midget.

replies 118Dec 3, 2017 7:46 PM +00:00

Oh no, maybe you’re right, and the Levine story was it. How did this rumor start to begin with? Maybe the grain of truth - the expose of Levine - got misinterpreted as being a story about Broadway?

replies 119Dec 3, 2017 7:51 PM +00:00

Jack Noseworthy’s dick is big, period. Unfortunately he’s a real asshole, too.

replies 120Dec 3, 2017 7:52 PM +00:00

Once on this island: the white washed transgendered version. 👎👎

replies 121Dec 3, 2017 7:56 PM +00:00

There is a story, the delay is for a reason...

replies 122Dec 3, 2017 8:04 PM +00:00

The NYT doesn't want to open itself up to a libel suit.

replies 123Dec 3, 2017 8:05 PM +00:00

I enjoyed the original Once on This Island but I was ready for it to be over by the time it finally ended. I've never understood why they cut Come Down from the Tree, preserved on one of Bruce Kimmel's Lost in Boston albums and other recordings. It's far superior to anything else in the score.

replies 124Dec 3, 2017 8:09 PM +00:00

But how long a delay? It was already scheduled for Saturday and supposedly delayed to Monday.

replies 125Dec 3, 2017 8:10 PM +00:00

More songs means more royalties for composers and lyricists.

replies 126Dec 3, 2017 8:11 PM +00:00

Speaking of assholes, Bruce Kimmel ...

replies 127Dec 3, 2017 8:11 PM +00:00

Once On This Island receiving raves

replies 128Dec 3, 2017 8:23 PM +00:00

The real crime is Lin Manuel-Miranda's performance on Curb Your Enthusiasm.

replies 129Dec 3, 2017 8:26 PM +00:00

Someone mentioned that in the last thread, R129.

replies 130Dec 3, 2017 8:28 PM +00:00

r130 After tonight's finale episode, worth mentioning again.

replies 131Dec 3, 2017 8:30 PM +00:00

At least on DuckTales you only have to hear his voice.

replies 132Dec 3, 2017 8:31 PM +00:00
Speaking of assholes, Bruce Kimmel ...

Managed not to screw up Levi. I saw it twice, and I cried at two of the songs both times I saw it.

replies 133Dec 3, 2017 8:58 PM +00:00

Where's the article??? I can't sleep with excitement!

--Nicholas Hytner
replies 134Dec 3, 2017 9:02 PM +00:00

Hearing that those who viewed, have knowledge of, or collaborated on the NYT article, say it will be extremely damaging, it IS happening...

replies 135Dec 3, 2017 9:06 PM +00:00

I thought it was awful, r133. But not nearly as awful as that other thing he did in June, Hit Song or something like that. Boy, was that a stinker.

replies 136Dec 3, 2017 10:04 PM +00:00

This is so disappointing. I feel like we’ve gotten coal in our stockings instead of the expected Christmas treat.

--Where’s My Scandal?
replies 137Dec 3, 2017 10:26 PM +00:00

I will shamelessly repost here a post I made in the James Levine thread:

"[Renée] Fleming had a lovely voice in the Mozart/Stauss rep years ago but as her reputation grew, so did her ego and her misguided belief in her own artistic sensibilities, which are crude. Search for her appalling rendition of Over the Rainbow. I have little interest in seeing the new Carousel partly due her participation in a role for which Rodgers himself refused to allow anyone except a trained mezzo or contralto with good acting abilities. A soprano with laughable pretensions to good acting would have repulsed him."

replies 138Dec 3, 2017 10:41 PM +00:00

Dolora Zajick IS Nettie Fowler!

replies 139Dec 3, 2017 11:34 PM +00:00

There is only ONE mezzo Nettie with good acting abilities, bitches, and I'm it!

--Claramae Turner
replies 140Dec 3, 2017 11:52 PM +00:00

You're dead, bitch.

--Stephanie Blyth
replies 141Dec 4, 2017 12:04 AM +00:00

I misspelled my own name. Scusatemi.

--It's Blythe, bitch
replies 142Dec 4, 2017 12:06 AM +00:00

Drinking again, Steph?

--Christine Johnson
replies 143Dec 4, 2017 12:09 AM +00:00

Always, with my buddy Ewa. Don't make me spell HER last name. Accents and shit.

replies 144Dec 4, 2017 12:21 AM +00:00

Today in scene class rehearsal I impulsively touched the arm of the actress I was with and now I'm scared she's going to tell on me. I'm male and I touched her to express the action I was playing, I swear. What is scarier is how light her arm was. I never knew women could be so physically fragile.

--William Bendix, Jr.
replies 145Dec 4, 2017 1:08 AM +00:00

Glenda Jackson and Laurie Metcalf in Albee's Three Tall Women on Broadway. This sounds... exciting? Should I be excited? (I've never seen the play)

Glenda Jackson, Laurie Metcalf and Alison Pill star in Edward Albee's Three Tall Women on Broadway. Directed by Joe Mantello.
Three Tall Women on Broadway
replies 146Dec 4, 2017 1:55 AM +00:00

Matt Cavanaugh Is retired? When did this happen?

replies 147Dec 4, 2017 2:00 AM +00:00

Bruce Kimmel always comes off as a pompous, smug, blowhard asshole when he posts on various theater websites. Is that just his online persona or is he like that in person? I have enjoyed some of the albums he produced.

replies 148Dec 4, 2017 2:11 AM +00:00

He’s like that in person, too.

replies 149Dec 4, 2017 2:33 AM +00:00

r104: Cavenaugh got married, went back home (the mid-west somewhere?) and works for his dad's business (forget what it is).

I at least give him credit for waking up and deciding to make money.

replies 150Dec 4, 2017 2:44 AM +00:00

I saw the original production of Once On This Island. It was very good because they didn't clutter the stage with a lot of junk. It was more imaginative using things like blue cloth to represent the sea. From what I saw on Macy's parade, this production looks cluttered.

Nettie Fowler in Carousel is a difficult role to play because the character is not well written, but she gets the 11:00 number. It's also difficult because the character is supposed to be energetic, happy go lucky and spunky, but then she sings this operatic airy-fairy power ballad. So the actress has to change gears from being the life of the party to being the mother figure. It's not an easy role for a non-actress. I wish I had been able to see Patricia Routledge play it in London. Shirley Verritt left a lot to be desired at Lincoln Center.

I saw the original Three Tall Women off-Broadway. It needs really strong acting because it's a very talky play. Not really a plot or any action, a lot of talk.

replies 151Dec 4, 2017 3:06 AM +00:00

No one can convince me Michael Arden has actually done good work. I've seen three of his productions and thought the worst things about them were his direction. Unless elves came in overnight and restaged the show for him, I'll be taking a hard pass on this.

replies 152Dec 4, 2017 3:51 AM +00:00

There is no article this morning. Maybe next time.

And btw, the Met had a special slush fund to continually pay off all of Levine's "boys". In other words, the opera house was complicit.

replies 153Dec 4, 2017 4:34 AM +00:00

r104 r150 He's selling cars.

replies 154Dec 4, 2017 4:37 AM +00:00

People tend to forget that Matt Cavenaugh made his Broadway debut shirtless riding a mechanical bull.

replies 155Dec 4, 2017 4:56 AM +00:00

I haven’t thought about him in years but I went to college with Matt Cavenaugh. No real insight to offer into him though other than that he’s legitimately straight although guys were constantly falling in love with him.

replies 156Dec 4, 2017 4:59 AM +00:00

Cavenaugh had a kid to support. What about his wife, Jenny Powers? Did she give up her career too?
replies 157Dec 4, 2017 5:01 AM +00:00

Audra does Come Down From the Tree, so I'm also surprised they haven't put it back in like Trina's Song in Falsettos

replies 158Dec 4, 2017 5:06 AM +00:00
Nettie Fowler in Carousel is a difficult role to play because the character is not well written, but she gets the 11:00 number.

No she doesn't. Billy's "The Highest Judge of All" comes after "You'll Never Walk Alone," and so does Louise's Ballet.

replies 159Dec 4, 2017 5:13 AM +00:00
People tend to forget that Matt Cavenaugh made his Broadway debut shirtless riding a mechanical bull.

Oh honey, we never forgot (click on photo for crotch shot)
--Every old queen who suffered through URBAN COWBOY
replies 160Dec 4, 2017 5:13 AM +00:00

I saw the West End production of Three Tall Women with Maggie Smith. The actor who plays the son doesn’t have any lines and just looked awkward and embarrassed at the curtain call. Smith was very good indeed.

replies 161Dec 4, 2017 5:30 AM +00:00

I saw Three Tall Women in 1995 or 96 (can't remember). Myra Carter had left, so Marian Seldes moved into her role. Joan Van Ark had taken over for Seldes and Jordan Baker was (still?) playing the young woman. I thought it was an incredible show and all three women were terrific.

replies 162Dec 4, 2017 5:33 AM +00:00

I know a lot of people here have mixed feelings about her, but Jen Tepper is posting about an article about to drop and I do think she would know:

"So tomorrow a lot of us will have the opportunity to be the "many". What is reported can be painful and also a catalyst for positive change in a long term sense. We can all have thoughtful conversations and take actions to make things better, in every workplace and audition room and rehearsal studio and theater. Or we can aimlessly sling mud. It is my hope that every one of us thinks about how to make tomorrow the beginning of a new era of accountability and integrity."

replies 163Dec 4, 2017 5:59 AM +00:00
No she doesn't. Billy's "The Highest Judge of All" comes after "You'll Never Walk Alone," and so does Louise's Ballet.

"The Highest Judge Of All" and Louise's Ballet are not 11:00 numbers. And "You'll Never Walk Alone" is reprised at the end of the show.

replies 164Dec 4, 2017 6:02 AM +00:00

Garfield just won the Evening Standard for Best Actor, so bitchez better be prepared for him to win the Tony like it or not

replies 165Dec 4, 2017 6:09 AM +00:00

Isn't "Highest Judge of All" sometimes omitted? But I don't want Renee in this AT ALL.

replies 166Dec 4, 2017 6:12 AM +00:00

r156: I've always heard he was a nice guy. I don't know how he handled stalker/fans like W.

replies 167Dec 4, 2017 6:17 AM +00:00

Anyone out there know if a certain New York based entertainment lawyer is halting the article at the Times? Half his clients are named in it...

replies 168Dec 4, 2017 6:19 AM +00:00

Mitchell can be a bitch. I worked on the crew of a really bad Sarah Michelle Gellar movie and he choreographed something on it. He was so bitchy to the teamster driving us home (BIG mistake) that the teamster refused to take him to his place as scheduled and he had to get out with the rest of us at the first drop off.

replies 169Dec 4, 2017 6:23 AM +00:00

Maybe The Times didn't want the Bway sex article to compete with its Levine sex article.

replies 170Dec 4, 2017 6:26 AM +00:00
Garfield just won the Evening Standard for Best Actor, so bitchez better be prepared for him to win the Tony like it or not

Big fat hairy deal.

replies 171Dec 4, 2017 6:36 AM +00:00
Garfield just won the Evening Standard for Best Actor, so bitchez better be prepared for him to win the Tony like it or not

Cool. Will he be competing in the "worst Tony-nominated performance in Theatre History" category?

replies 172Dec 4, 2017 6:37 AM +00:00

R167 yeah he was a really sweet & polite guy. Combine that with a face of an angel (obviously) and many wishful thinkers confused his friendliness for something else.

He was never the greatest actor, but had major charisma.

replies 173Dec 4, 2017 7:16 AM +00:00

Scroll for pics of Sara Ramirez who has gone full blown bull dyke. Scroll past that for pics of Clay Aiken who has gone for the more fem dyke look.

The new Broadway production of Once On This Island officially opened last night, December 3rd, at the Circle in the Square Theatre (235 W. 50th street, NYC), and is directed by Tony nominee Michael Arden, and choreographed by the critically-acclaimed Camille A. Brown.
replies 174Dec 4, 2017 8:00 AM +00:00
Scroll for pics of Sara Ramirez who has gone full blown bull dyke.

Whoa, you're right. Not a good look for her.

And how come people don't dress up anymore for a Broadway premiere. Look at the number of people that are in slum clothes, sneakers, shoes without socks, etc.

replies 175Dec 4, 2017 8:07 AM +00:00

Sara's haircut is for a role she is playing on Madam Secretary. Whether it's her hair "preference" in private life I don't know.

replies 176Dec 4, 2017 8:17 AM +00:00
Maybe The Times didn't want the Bway sex article to compete with its Levine sex article. Ding ding ding.
replies 177Dec 4, 2017 8:24 AM +00:00

A few months ago, I was watching an LGBT style "The View" on YT. The lez/bi host recounted how she had covered a convention about same sex relationships in genre TV. She mentioned that Sara Ramirez found out about it day of and she drove down to attend. The con was outside of LA, maybe Vegas. I remember think Ramirez sounds super eager - is she living her gay teenagerhood?

replies 178Dec 4, 2017 8:29 AM +00:00

Is the entertainment lawyer Mark Sendroff? Is there another famous one?

--Hunter Ryan Herdlicka
replies 179Dec 4, 2017 8:33 AM +00:00
Sara's haircut is for a role she is playing on Madam Secretary. Whether it's her hair "preference" in private life I don't know.

She could have (should have) worn a wig.

replies 180Dec 4, 2017 8:39 AM +00:00

Who is she playing on Madame Secretary, Lady of the Labia?

replies 181Dec 4, 2017 8:51 AM +00:00

Some thoughts from the Once upon an Island pics linked above.

1) When did Michael Arden get so fat?

2) With all his money and connections can't Jordan Roth find a look that doesn't scream "creepy character on Ryan Murphy tv show?"

replies 182Dec 4, 2017 8:55 AM +00:00

Clay Aiken is morphing into Glenn Close.

replies 183Dec 4, 2017 9:00 AM +00:00

Michael Arden's had plenty cushion more often than not.

--Liquid diet
replies 184Dec 4, 2017 9:02 AM +00:00

Jen Tepper is a bourgeois meeskite. Feh.

replies 185Dec 4, 2017 9:13 AM +00:00

I’ve said it before but Jordan and Darryl Roth remind me of Dandy and his mother from American Horror Story : Freak Show.

replies 186Dec 4, 2017 9:26 AM +00:00

Oh, keep saying it r186.

--Obviously we never tire of forgetting it.
replies 187Dec 4, 2017 10:00 AM +00:00

Andrew Garfield is terrible in that show and WE know it. He's doing some bad imitation of an AMERICAN "gay" guy he watched in some movie somewhere. So stupid. Stephen Spinella was just being natural.

replies 188Dec 4, 2017 10:10 AM +00:00

Arden got fat when he realized his husband is just another big ole whore.

replies 189Dec 4, 2017 10:41 AM +00:00

The infamous TIMES series is very much alive, it is being inoculated against some very powerful, and terrified, individuals, once unleashed it won’t go back into any bottles, so patience, those who have previewed it are speechless at the density and revelations, a few people, legends, who haven’t been mentioned yet, are the worst to be exposed.

replies 190Dec 4, 2017 11:02 AM +00:00

So it is expanding past directors and choreographers?

replies 191Dec 4, 2017 11:04 AM +00:00

I wonder what skeletons will come screaming out of Nathan Lane's closet? After all, he's a mean drunk.

replies 192Dec 4, 2017 11:06 AM +00:00

One would assume Fosse is mentioned?

replies 193Dec 4, 2017 11:07 AM +00:00

Garber And Lane used to work as a team.

replies 194Dec 4, 2017 11:08 AM +00:00

Well, being a mean drunk wouldn’t qualify, would it? Or is the scope of the supposed story more than just sexual misconduct?

If so, I hope Joe Mantello is mentioned,

replies 195Dec 4, 2017 11:09 AM +00:00
Well, being a mean drunk wouldn’t qualify, would it?

It does, if you're trying to pick up a chorus boy who refuses your advances. Remember some of the instances that have already been reported (Kevin Spacey) took place years and years ago. There were many stories of Nathan hanging around Candle Bar on the UWS.

replies 196Dec 4, 2017 11:15 AM +00:00
It does, if you're trying to pick up a chorus boy who refuses your advances

Making a pass is no big deal as long as you accept the refusal, which Lane always did. He also hired hustlers, but who cares? I doubt it’s him.

replies 197Dec 4, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00

I wonder if it will mention Dame Julie’s unwanted attention to Rachel York during the awful Victor/Victoria?

replies 198Dec 4, 2017 11:23 AM +00:00

R146 yes, it is an exciting play. Wonderful words. The three women you'll come to realize are the same person. Theater magic. Metcalf will kill!

replies 199Dec 4, 2017 11:37 AM +00:00

Did you just give away the surprise ending, you reprobate?

If you're going to Don't Look Now: it's a dwarf.

If you're planning to see The Sixth Sense: Bruce Willis is dead, too.

Now it's good.

replies 200Dec 4, 2017 11:43 AM +00:00

I wonder if Sondheim is going down.

replies 201Dec 4, 2017 11:55 AM +00:00

Not that it means anything but someone asked about this article on ATC and it was removed.

replies 202Dec 4, 2017 11:56 AM +00:00
I wonder if Sondheim is going down.

Hopefully he takes his dentures out before he does.

replies 203Dec 4, 2017 12:00 PM +00:00

R202, the post is still there

replies 204Dec 4, 2017 12:03 PM +00:00

Someone posted this on one of my Facebook friends wall: "Major meeting at The public on monday."

Is it Oskar?

replies 205Dec 4, 2017 12:07 PM +00:00

I'm really not sure I get this NY Times article rumor.

Was the genesis of it a reporter who was looking to dig up dirt on certain long-believed suspects and unearthed victims and witnesses who were willing to talk?

Or was there a particular recent incident that the Times got wind of and is keeping under wrap until they can scoop it?

replies 206Dec 4, 2017 12:11 PM +00:00
"The Highest Judge Of All" and Louise's Ballet are not 11:00 numbers.

Right. And neither is "You'll Never Walk Alone." If you look at what the whole idea of "11 O'clock number" is, it doesn't fit, neither for its location in the show nor for its purpose/content. The reprise at the end of the show is the finale. "Carousel," as with many other musicals, doesn't have an "11 O'Clock Number."

replies 207Dec 4, 2017 12:15 PM +00:00

Directors, choreographers, producers, castings directors, theater photographers and “journalists”, all male, narrative is the abuse and sexual harassment of young actors, it is an indictment of the entire industry, it is being vetted to ward of legal challenge. There is TREMENDOUS pressure being placed up the editors from many factions, most have no idea of the content, they just know of THEIR GUILT and are panicked at what is ahead. Social media buzz alerted many, cat was out of the bag...and henhouse a bit earlier than planned, it can arrive at any moment...

replies 208Dec 4, 2017 12:18 PM +00:00

Levine piece took the headline, they are not stepping on themselves, it is worth a delay, the many culprits are being lulled into tragedy if they think it is a ruse.

replies 209Dec 4, 2017 12:23 PM +00:00

Is this really a scoop though that anyone outside of Hells Kitchen cares about? Does anyone know who Jerry Mitchell is in the real world?

replies 210Dec 4, 2017 12:26 PM +00:00

The NYT just announced issues at the ballet. I'm sad. I thought everything was beautiful there.

replies 211Dec 4, 2017 12:27 PM +00:00

The Kochs are big balletomanes. Maybe they're involved? wishing and hoping

replies 212Dec 4, 2017 12:28 PM +00:00

R209 and others who have suggested the Times is holding the piece to give more breathing room to the Levine story, that's not how journalism works. When a story is as explosive as this one's rumored to be, you run it ASAP or else risk being scooped by a competitor. (Buzzfeed seems to be working on its own Broadway-centric sexual misconduct story, for example.) The only reason the Times wouldn't have run the story yet is either there are moving parts that need to be locked down first (like vetting a key source, dealing with legal challenges, etc) or the story was never real to begin with, and that latter option seems unlikely.

replies 213Dec 4, 2017 12:36 PM +00:00

Agreed R213, it is 100% legal reasons as to the delay.

replies 214Dec 4, 2017 12:42 PM +00:00

Nathan used to stumble into The Works, not the abysmal Candle Bar. And every time he stumbled in by himself, he left with yet another unsuspecting twink in tow. I never saw him leave alone. and he was always a mess.

replies 215Dec 4, 2017 12:44 PM +00:00

You are right, r215. After I posted, I realized I was confusing my UWS bars and I meant The Works and not CB. Thanks for the correction.

replies 216Dec 4, 2017 12:53 PM +00:00

My sources at The New York Times tell me they sent Ronan Farrow in undercover to investigate a Broadway orgy disguised as an audition for a Broadway production of "Reefer Madness: The Musical". Unfortunately, his cover was blown and they're having a hard time getting Ronan back out.

--Casting Intelligence Agency
replies 217Dec 4, 2017 1:03 PM +00:00

Sorry, boys. Stark Sands is very, very straight. He wouldn't be harassed by anyone.

replies 218Dec 4, 2017 1:31 PM +00:00

Broadway actor T. Oliver Reid is claiming on his Facebook page that powerful legal pressure from high above is forcing the Times to ditch the story, we’re hearing that isn’t true, as of today...

replies 219Dec 4, 2017 1:35 PM +00:00

Straight actors still get harassed by male casting director....

replies 220Dec 4, 2017 1:44 PM +00:00
R23 Oh look!

Eeeeeee...I can hardly think of two people less alike than Elaine Stritch and Lee Remick!

I bet Stritchy gave poor, sweet Lee a huuuuge headache throughout the whole ordeal.

replies 221Dec 4, 2017 1:45 PM +00:00
I bet Stritchy gave poor, sweet Lee a huuuuge headache throughout the whole ordeal.

Why the fuck should I treat poor, sweet Lee any better than any of the other people I worked with?

replies 222Dec 4, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00

Re: R221

Oh it Janet Blair in R23 and R33, and not Lee Remick?? ? Why don't I know who she is?? Is she related to Betsy or Linda Blair?? And why did she steal poor, sweet Lee's hair??

Obviously, La Drunk Stritchy was behind it : (

replies 223Dec 4, 2017 1:53 PM +00:00

Might be Disney protecting Frozen.

replies 224Dec 4, 2017 1:55 PM +00:00

Speaking of Lee Remick (as who isn't, every day?), someone posted this pic elsewheres of her alongside Keri Russell. It had never ocurred to me before, but seems so obvious now.
replies 225Dec 4, 2017 1:59 PM +00:00

Now that OEDIPUS EL REY has closed, what's next for sexy hunk Juan Castano and his enormous penis (which unlike Andy Karl's has actually been seen on stage)?

I vote for a revival of TAKE ME OUT
replies 226Dec 4, 2017 2:04 PM +00:00

Is Hugh Panaro on the article?

replies 227Dec 4, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00
Glenda Jackson and Laurie Metcalf in Albee's Three Tall Women on Broadway. This sounds... exciting? Should I be excited? (I've never seen the play)

Metcalf will have to take day off in the Spring to accept the Oscar.

replies 228Dec 4, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

Nearly every single chorus boy turned “star director/choreographer” is implicated. A few of them are helming great big productions, their representatives are especially combative and well insinuated within the industry, most are legally repped by the same person.

replies 229Dec 4, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

Now this is funny

It's never a dull moment when the cast of Wedding Ringer is together... Check out this hilarious behind the scenes moment of Jennifer Lewis and Josh Gad. Don...
replies 230Dec 4, 2017 2:12 PM +00:00

Jackson and Metcalf are both way too short to play Albee's TALL women but what the hell, they'll probably nail it. I saw Jackson last night at the Evg Standard Awards here in London and she is itty-bitty these days.

replies 231Dec 4, 2017 2:14 PM +00:00
Jackson and Metcalf are both way too short to play Albee's TALL women

I don't know about Jackson's character, but in the original, the young woman and the middle aged woman wore 1960s high heels.

replies 232Dec 4, 2017 2:17 PM +00:00
I vote for a revival of TAKE ME OUT

I vote for Juan to take IT out.

replies 233Dec 4, 2017 2:18 PM +00:00

Somebody should ask Nick Adams’ collapsed bunghole about rough daddy Sergio Trujillo. I’ll tell ya what’s playin at the Roxy, Guys & Diapers!

replies 234Dec 4, 2017 2:20 PM +00:00

Myra Carter was shorter than you think.

replies 235Dec 4, 2017 2:26 PM +00:00

Did Diana Rigg ever do the play? In my mind, she's the tallest Dame and of course she has Albee pedigree.

replies 236Dec 4, 2017 2:28 PM +00:00

The Times is now reporting that Peter Martins, longtime head of the New York City Ballet, is now being investigated for sexual assault and harassment.

replies 237Dec 4, 2017 2:28 PM +00:00

Did Elaine Stritch ever do 3 Tall Women anywhere? I bet she bitched to hell and back that she didn't get in the original NY production.

replies 238Dec 4, 2017 2:29 PM +00:00

Carter was a helluva lot taller than Jackson is now --- there are some pix of her, Seldes, and Baker available and all three of them fit the adjective of the title ..... that said, I bet Jackson and Metcalf will kill it --- Rigg way too actressy: the worst Martha I have ever seen by some measure.

replies 239Dec 4, 2017 2:32 PM +00:00

I mentioned waaaaayyyy upthread (on either Saturday or Sunday) that there was no NYT article. Perhaps there will be one, but only if they find something above and beyond people being grossly flirty and/or assholish.

There won’t be anything in the next week. Put money on it. It’s the New York Times; they have a journalistic standard far above the Telephone Hour principle practiced here and on Twitter.

replies 240Dec 4, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

R240 = Miss Sally Spoilsport

replies 241Dec 4, 2017 2:35 PM +00:00

Worse than Glenda and Billie Whitelaw? Rigg may agree with you. She nixed any possibility of a transfer.

replies 242Dec 4, 2017 2:36 PM +00:00
R238 Did Elaine Stritch ever do 3 Tall Women anywhere? I bet she bitched to hell and back that she didn't get in the original NY production.

If Elaine Stritch and Joan Crawford (both drunk) were in a cage fight, who would win?
replies 243Dec 4, 2017 2:43 PM +00:00

I never saw Glenda as Martha but I did see Billie Whitelaw and, yes, Rigg was a lot worse.

replies 244Dec 4, 2017 2:44 PM +00:00
If Elaine Stritch and Joan Crawford (both drunk) were in a cage fight, who would win?

Definitely Joan. Elaine was all bark and no bite. Joan would pull Elaine's hair and Elaine would cry, "Stop, I'm a diabetic."

replies 245Dec 4, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

Did you see Imelda?

replies 246Dec 4, 2017 2:50 PM +00:00

do you think the NY Times piece is held up beacause Angela's named in it???
replies 247Dec 4, 2017 3:05 PM +00:00
ackson and Metcalf are both way too short to play Albee's TALL women but what the hell, they'll probably nail it.

They're actors, they'll act tall.

replies 248Dec 4, 2017 3:21 PM +00:00

The entertainment attorney in question is not nearly so powerful as is being suggested. He will not be able to stem the tide in this instance. Disney, on the other hand...

replies 249Dec 4, 2017 3:34 PM +00:00

If Disney can’t protect John Lasseter then they’re kidding themselves to think they can protect Broadway people.

replies 250Dec 4, 2017 3:37 PM +00:00

LOL at the posters speaking so authoritatively on what’s delaying the Times piece. “It’s definitely happening! It’s being vetted by their legal team!”

And a pox on the queen who started this rumor if it all turns out to be a hoax.

replies 251Dec 4, 2017 4:11 PM +00:00

Is FROZEN's choreography really so great that they couldn't replace Ashford?

replies 252Dec 4, 2017 4:28 PM +00:00

I'd hate to see that article overshadow Gypsy of the Year which is for a great cause and some of the participants will surely be named and/or shamed.

replies 253Dec 4, 2017 4:28 PM +00:00

I have no special knowledge of what's happening inside the Times, but as a working journalist at a national news organization, I can tell you that legal issues are almost always what hold up a piece of this magnitude at this late stage of the game. Hearing Friday that the story had been bumped just confirmed that for me.

Now, the caveats are that maybe the story isn't actually as far along as the rumors suggested and, as I said before, maybe the story was never real to begin with. But assuming there's actually a story nearing publication and assuming it's scandalous, legal trouble is almost certainly to blame.

Given that, I wasn't even expecting the story to land today because I know these things can involve lots of tense calls and meetings up and down the chain of command in the newsroom. It's within the realm of possibility, even, that it could be several days before we see anything.

But again, if the rumors have basically been accurate about the story's existence, content and stage of completion, then there's no way you won't see something. At worst, Legal will get names removed and juicy stuff toned down—i.e. neutered—but a place like the Times won't sink what I'd bet have been considerable resources into reporting a story like this and not print anything.

replies 254Dec 4, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00
Garber And Lane used to work as a team.


--Ernie "Pumbaa" Sabella
replies 255Dec 4, 2017 4:57 PM +00:00
Clay Aiken is morphing into Glenn Close.

G's more butch.

replies 256Dec 4, 2017 4:59 PM +00:00

I only recently learned that Glenn played one of the Pirates in Hook. I assume it was a cameo.

replies 257Dec 4, 2017 5:03 PM +00:00

No, she was going to have a whole musical number but it was cut for time.

replies 258Dec 4, 2017 5:06 PM +00:00

It was, R257. She's the pirate that Hook has put in the boo box early in the film. (The boo box being a treasure chest in which are dropped two very large scorpions.) If I recall correctly, Close just happened to be visiting set that day and the cameo came about on a whim.

replies 259Dec 4, 2017 5:07 PM +00:00

Here's the scene—

Bet against Capt. James Hook and you get the Boo Box.
replies 260Dec 4, 2017 5:08 PM +00:00

THR reviews "SpongeBob SquarePants":

Nickelodeon brings its long-running underwater toon franchise to Broadway with this eye-popping, psychotropic (geddit?) musical fantasia about friendship and community, directed by Tina Landau.
The Hollywood Reporter
replies 261Dec 4, 2017 5:12 PM +00:00

Idiots! It doesn't matter how tall the 3 actresses are as long as they're all about the same size and there's no one else on stage taller.

--Joe Mantello. hotshot director
replies 262Dec 4, 2017 5:45 PM +00:00

They don't even look like marine life anymore.

replies 263Dec 4, 2017 5:48 PM +00:00

Some thoughts about the Times article. A lot of people who are careful about their social media are talking about it or speculating which makes me feel it is definitely something that is being worked on.

I'm curious about the Jerry Mitchell angle. A lot of the Bares people and the chorus boys I know are into orgies and group sex. When they do Bares events on Fire Island they all stay with Mitchell and his husband/partner, and it's been observed that they're all fucking each other. So what I wonder is where the line was supposedly crossed. Is it not really consensual? Was he dumb enough to say out loud "if you don't fuck around with us we won't cast you?" And do they even care?

I'm also curious what if any effect this would have on the box office for these creatives, if any. Are people seeing the Cyndi Lauper show or the Jerry Mitchell show? My guess would be the former.

Lastly I think it's interesting that this is coming from the NYT. Those boys are all fucking whores.

replies 264Dec 4, 2017 5:56 PM +00:00

Isn't Glenn Close the pirate standing next to the one who gets scorpioned? That pirate is all cloaked up and wearing glasses, as if to hide his/her identity.

The scorpioned guy doesn't look remotely like Glenn Close, even given a disguise.

replies 265Dec 4, 2017 6:00 PM +00:00

The cloaked up pirate is Robin Williams, who isn't a pirate at all but Peter Pan. The boo box pirate is 100% Close.
replies 266Dec 4, 2017 6:04 PM +00:00

R230 - I watch that clip at least once a month. It's fucking hilarious. God bless Jenifer Lewis. It's a shame she's not on a better written show than Blackish. But, I guess that's gist of her career. Rising above the material she's given to work with.

She did Hairspray, right?

replies 267Dec 4, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

100% legit a major NYT piece will unleash, just in time for ol’ St. Nick to load those naughty boys with plenty of coal.

replies 268Dec 4, 2017 6:18 PM +00:00

White Famous and The Carmichael Show look like the standouts of the current wave of black sitcoms.

replies 269Dec 4, 2017 6:18 PM +00:00

and whether its real or not, I know for a fact people in the biz BELIEVE its real and coming.

And they are worried.

And should be.

replies 270Dec 4, 2017 6:32 PM +00:00
But again, if the rumors have basically been accurate about the story's existence,

They are not.

replies 271Dec 4, 2017 7:10 PM +00:00

Another former journalist here... Legal holds up everything for these kinds of stories at the major legit organizations. When you're reporting news that can ruin lives and careers, it's key to be correct and on the up and up.

As for Sergio... His manager is one of the biggest byotches I've ever encountered.

Jerry's actually pretty damn cool for the most part. Sexually voracious, yes, but not an asshole.

Switching gears completely, I taped HOLIDAY INN and have been watching it in 30-minute increments. I've only finished the first hour and cannot believe this was presented on Broadway, much less preserved and televised. It's jovial, banal dogshit. Is there any reason I need to watch anymore? I heard there were some great dance numbers. Maybe I'll just fast forward to those. I liked the rope-jumping number, but it's hardly compensation for the crap that preceded it. Horrible acting, ghastly writing. Ugh.

replies 272Dec 4, 2017 7:29 PM +00:00

r272 Corbin Bleu has a great dance number in the second act. I was really impressed by him.

replies 273Dec 4, 2017 7:50 PM +00:00

R272 I couldn't watch either. I tried. Corbin Bleu is soooooo gay.

replies 274Dec 4, 2017 8:04 PM +00:00
Corbin Bleu is soooooo gay.

How gay is he?

replies 275Dec 4, 2017 8:07 PM +00:00

Will Jeffrey Richards be exposed soon?

replies 276Dec 4, 2017 8:23 PM +00:00

Another sex pest named Jeffrey? Like we need any more!

--Messrs. Epstein and Jones
replies 277Dec 4, 2017 9:07 PM +00:00

We have competing trolls. One says the story is real and is coming out for Christmas, as soon as it’s beenthoroughly vetted with legal.

The other implies the whole thing is made up.

Who to believe?

--Jerry Mitchell’s well-stuffed jockstrap
replies 278Dec 4, 2017 9:10 PM +00:00

Anyone here remember much about The Tap Dance Kid? Samuel E. Wright was in it along with Alfonzo Ribiero and Barbara Montgomery before they went to TV.

replies 279Dec 4, 2017 9:21 PM +00:00

3-Time tony winner Hinton Battle was also in it. Great dancing and great story; if only the score were stronger.

replies 280Dec 4, 2017 9:50 PM +00:00

I remember that Ribiero's understudy, Savion Glover, replaced him and a lot of people thought he was better.

replies 281Dec 4, 2017 9:59 PM +00:00

That clip from"Hook" shows how horribly over produced it was.

replies 282Dec 5, 2017 12:37 AM +00:00

SoongeBob Boy will win a Tony

replies 283Dec 5, 2017 1:49 AM +00:00

Anyone have any info on Bernadette’s Dolly sales? Obviously they aren’t gonna be Midler numbers but are they good?

replies 284Dec 5, 2017 2:43 AM +00:00

For those of you who work in journalism, how do papers like The National Enquirer get away with some of the stuff they write? Obviously they have been sued a few times. But do they have honest sources with the information and just run with stories hoping that famous people won't bother or when the famous person's lawyer calls, does TNE say, "Our source is his mother and she said it was true".

replies 285Dec 5, 2017 2:59 AM +00:00

R285 Surprisingly, some of the best and informative reporting on the Jonbenet Ramsey case was from the National Enquirer.

PS: with a stupid name like Jonbenet, did that little tyke even have a CHANCE?
replies 286Dec 5, 2017 3:25 AM +00:00

The National Enquirer is well known for thoroughly vetting it's stories after losing a number of law suits. If they print it, it's likely true.

replies 287Dec 5, 2017 3:31 AM +00:00

Martine Allard was pretty wonderful r279.....

Martine Allard played Emma Sheridan, sister of The Tap Dance Kid She received a 1984 Tony Award nomination for her role The Tap Dance Kid Broadway Cast Recor...
replies 288Dec 5, 2017 3:39 AM +00:00

What does "byotches" mean?

replies 289Dec 5, 2017 3:40 AM +00:00

The Enquirer had to pay out to David Bar Katz over the 'I was the lover of Philip Seymour Hoffman' story, saying they had the wrong David Katz as an informant. But that still meant there was an informant who conveniently disappeared. Very murky.

replies 290Dec 5, 2017 3:49 AM +00:00

R289, you might say it’s the “urban” way of calling someone a bitch.

replies 291Dec 5, 2017 3:49 AM +00:00
The Enquirer had to pay out to David Bar Katz over the 'I was the lover of Philip Seymour Hoffman' story, saying they had the wrong David Katz as an informant. But that still meant there was an informant who conveniently disappeared. Very murky.

They also used the proceeds to create a fund for emerging playwrights which I always thought was very cool.

replies 292Dec 5, 2017 3:52 AM +00:00

The silence of Parterre Box in the face of the Levine revelations is extremely peculiar. Posters are having to discuss in the comments of unrelated posts.

replies 293Dec 5, 2017 4:50 AM +00:00

Who is he guy who runs that site? He’s a cunt and a half. Maybe he was diddled by Levine?

replies 294Dec 5, 2017 4:59 AM +00:00

It's starting.

At a powerful event at New York City’s Public Theater, actors and theater makers from Broadway and beyond told stories of sexual abuse and harassment, and how best to fight back.
The Daily Beast
replies 295Dec 5, 2017 5:36 AM +00:00

r294: James Jorden. I only met him once, ages ago, and he was quite nice. He does seem short-tempered on the site of late, with peremptory suspensions and whatnot. I can't help but wonder why he hasn't at least posted a link to the coverage somewhere, so that readers would have an obvious place to go to comment and discuss what's happening.

replies 296Dec 5, 2017 5:41 AM +00:00

From r295's article:

“It felt like everyone in the office was looking at me. It felt like the whole meeting the HR woman was covering their [the company’s] ass, as if she did not understand something bad had happened to me.

It's time that people began to realize that HR is not there to protect the employee but the company. Who is it that pays the salaries of HR? The company. Trust HR at your own risk!

replies 297Dec 5, 2017 5:54 AM +00:00

I worked for a company where both the President and Managing Director were sexually harassing female employees and both HR and the legal department turned a blind eye. One of the women finally filed a lawsuit and both of those assholes were terminated immediately. She settled for half a million dollars.

replies 298Dec 5, 2017 6:02 AM +00:00

I worked for a company where the head of HR wrote with a handkerchief under her wrist. I never trusted that bitch.

replies 299Dec 5, 2017 6:55 AM +00:00

People in general have a fantasy that some higher authority is going to step in and make everything right - I think it's a basically parental fantasy - you see it with Trump at a political level and you see it with HR at the workplace level

replies 300Dec 5, 2017 6:58 AM +00:00

The post-Weinstein fallout is trickling down to the regionals.

The Dallas Theater Center's Director of New Play Development, accused of inappropriate behavior, has been fired.
replies 301Dec 5, 2017 7:00 AM +00:00

Also from R295 - "Every time the actor offered her a croissant she made a strange, inhuman sound, she said. This, as desired, put him off. No CARBS, you SOB!!

replies 302Dec 5, 2017 7:08 AM +00:00

Who gives a shit if someone grabs an ass, teat, or crotch? The outrage! As if we are some puritanical society. Get over yourselves.

replies 303Dec 5, 2017 7:19 AM +00:00

I'd pay someone to grab my ass.

Different strokes for different folks.

--Eldergay Sigh
replies 304Dec 5, 2017 7:26 AM +00:00

How did Hinton Battle ever manage to get THREE Tony's . He wasn't all that great.

replies 305Dec 5, 2017 7:30 AM +00:00
I worked for a company where the head of HR wrote with a handkerchief under her wrist. I never trusted that bitch.

You are a wise theatre enthusiast r299.

--You have earned my respect.
replies 306Dec 5, 2017 7:53 AM +00:00

How did Audra ever manage to get SIX Tony's . She wasn't all that great.

replies 307Dec 5, 2017 8:00 AM +00:00

Damn, R307, beat me to it!

replies 308Dec 5, 2017 8:09 AM +00:00

You’d have to be pretty fucking ambitious to have sex with Nathan Lane.

replies 309Dec 5, 2017 8:15 AM +00:00

Blind, deaf and with no ability to smell would also be pluses r309.

replies 310Dec 5, 2017 8:21 AM +00:00

These #metoo people are taking all the fun out of show business.

replies 311Dec 5, 2017 8:28 AM +00:00
R300 People in general have a fantasy that some higher authority is going to step in and make everything right - I think it's a basically parental fantasy - you see it with HR at the workplace level

And that's why we need #rosearmy

--Can You Hear the People Sing
replies 312Dec 5, 2017 8:36 AM +00:00

Who is Lee Trull? WHO ARE ALL THESE PEOPLE????? and WHO CARES ???

replies 313Dec 5, 2017 8:48 AM +00:00

Lee Trull is kind of cute. I'd do him.

replies 314Dec 5, 2017 9:13 AM +00:00

That Daily Beast article about the forum at the Public says only one man got up to speak.

Really? With all the bad gay behavior hinted at in this thread, and only one man speaks?

replies 315Dec 5, 2017 9:14 AM +00:00

Heard that NY Times story is not happening.

replies 316Dec 5, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

Maybe the NY Times story will come out when Streisand's Gypsy is filmed.

replies 317Dec 5, 2017 9:46 AM +00:00

There never was a NY Times story. You’ve all been duped.

replies 318Dec 5, 2017 9:51 AM +00:00
R317 Maybe the NY Times story will come out when Streisand's Gypsy is filmed.

And when Faye's MASTER CLASS movie is released.
replies 319Dec 5, 2017 9:52 AM +00:00
You’d have to be pretty fucking ambitious to have sex with Nathan Lane.

That's almost like having sex with Mickey Rooney.

--Ava Gardner's ghost
replies 320Dec 5, 2017 10:04 AM +00:00

The NY Times article would have been all anonymous speculation, anyway.

They aren't about to name names before specific and authenticated accusations are made. And they haven't been. Yet.

replies 321Dec 5, 2017 11:44 AM +00:00

This whole thing is beginning to feel like "The Crucible." Everyone needs to calm the fuck down. Some of these accusations are false, and the accusers know it. There are false rumors of firings and meetings that aren't happening. CALM DOWN GIRLS.

replies 322Dec 5, 2017 12:23 PM +00:00


SpongeBob ain't winning shit. I'm perplexed as to why BB ended his review with those comparisons, as I haven't thought of that actor once since I left the theater, as he made no impression on me whatsoever.

replies 323Dec 5, 2017 12:27 PM +00:00
This whole thing is beginning to feel like "The Crucible."

Feel like? When I came out I was automatically assumed to be a sexual predator in some people's eyes just because I'm gay. Now people make that assumption just because I'm a man.

SpongeBob ain't winning shit.

The costumes make them look more like rejects from that Ryan Murphy autotune festival. SpongeBob's Gay-Aspie-Pollyanna personality was easier to take when he was a sponge. Extrapolate those personality traits onto a human being and it's a different effect that just seems more over-the-top than actual cartoons.

--So when is Winnie the Pooh headed for Broadway?
replies 324Dec 5, 2017 12:31 PM +00:00

Sadly, it all follows "The Crucible" to the letter. All these people have IS their name. None of this can be proven. It's all supposition at this point. Get President Turd up on the stand. Then you may see it all die down. Interestingly, Jessica Chastain's new film, "Molly's Game", uses "The Crucible" in its plot as well. And one of the final scenes quotes from the play directly.

replies 325Dec 5, 2017 12:32 PM +00:00

Haven't seen it but I suspect SpongeBob won't last more than a season in spite of the raves.

replies 326Dec 5, 2017 12:43 PM +00:00

It never made sense that the NYT would do a single article about multiple sexual harassers. That is not how they have treated any harasser so far. Each guilty party will continue to be called out separately.

replies 327Dec 5, 2017 1:43 PM +00:00

Brantley obviously wanted to f*ck...the Sponge!

replies 328Dec 5, 2017 2:06 PM +00:00

At least that would have made it easy to clean up the cum!

replies 329Dec 5, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00
R324 When I came out I was automatically assumed to be a sexual predator in some people's eyes just because I'm gay. Now people make that assumption just because I'm a man.

Dry your drama queen tears and GTFU.

No one's saying that.
replies 330Dec 5, 2017 2:17 PM +00:00

Women and hetero men victimize gay men all the time:
replies 331Dec 5, 2017 2:22 PM +00:00
R331 Women and hetero men victimize gay men all the time:

Put a SOME in front of that.

And SOME gay men and lesbian women victimize gay men, as well.

Did you know it's a big world out there? Better be ready - -

--A Gay Grown Up
replies 332Dec 5, 2017 2:25 PM +00:00

Real adults don't condescend to other adults in that fashion, R332.

Misandry is real and it enables homophobia.
replies 333Dec 5, 2017 2:28 PM +00:00
R333 Misandry is real and it enables homophobia.
replies 334Dec 5, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

R334 you are a bigot and an enabler if you deny it.
replies 335Dec 5, 2017 2:36 PM +00:00

R335 Can you start the growing up process by choosing graphics that appear within the prescribed DL attachment space? No one wants to waste time clicking on your shitty links...

replies 336Dec 5, 2017 2:41 PM +00:00

R335's definition of bigot:

Anyone who disagrees with me.
replies 337Dec 5, 2017 2:42 PM +00:00

Only a homophobic misandrist bigot could deny the statement posted at R335.

replies 338Dec 5, 2017 2:44 PM +00:00

And the Loon is back!

Mary Poppins stinks, Bedknobs is the greatest film ever made, Faye was brilliant in Mommie Dearest, blah blah blah.

You're a bore, Matt.

replies 339Dec 5, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00
R339 Faye was brilliant in Mommie Dearest, blah blah blah.

Well, to be fair to loonybin, Faye WAS brilliant in Mommie Dearest.

That's just fact.
--Everyone Who Matters
replies 340Dec 5, 2017 2:58 PM +00:00

When I told you to say that, R339, I told you to mean it.

--Julie has done more harm to women's rights than Angela and you know it
replies 341Dec 5, 2017 3:00 PM +00:00
R341 Julie has done more harm to women's rights than Angela and you know it

Angela is a Criminal Enabler.

Her day is done....
replies 342Dec 5, 2017 3:06 PM +00:00

Julie supports female erasure.

A new Netflix show for children that is hosted by Julie Andrews will feature a non-binary character.
replies 343Dec 5, 2017 3:09 PM +00:00

Oh Good God you stupid ass R200, from the get-go everyone in the house knows. Do you listen to words?

replies 344Dec 5, 2017 3:12 PM +00:00
R343 Julie supports female erasure.

I'd ask you to explain that, but then you'd answer : (

replies 345Dec 5, 2017 3:12 PM +00:00

Well who wouldn't R238, did you see his arms!

replies 346Dec 5, 2017 3:15 PM +00:00

All this jenn-durr crap is inherently sexist and homophobic. She locked a gay man in the prison of heterosexual marriage until the day she died. She locked two little girls of color up in a glorified prison because she was such a shitty mother to them.

Angela Lansbury is a better singer, better actress, and better gay ally, and I will be goddamned if I will allow her to be vilified like this.

replies 347Dec 5, 2017 3:16 PM +00:00
R347 All this jenn-durr crap is inherently sexist and homophobic. She locked a gay man in the prison of heterosexual marriage until the day she died. She locked two little girls of color up in a glorified prison because she was such a shitty mother to them.

You have ceased making sense, and I suggest a nap.
replies 348Dec 5, 2017 3:20 PM +00:00

R348, you need help if you can't understand what I am saying. I am saying quite plainly that Julia Elizabeth Wells stabbed gay people in the back with that action.

replies 349Dec 5, 2017 3:30 PM +00:00

Great. Another TG thread ruined.

replies 350Dec 5, 2017 3:33 PM +00:00

I guess we can't talk about Over Here! if Travolta's going back to obscurity.

replies 351Dec 5, 2017 3:35 PM +00:00


replies 352Dec 5, 2017 3:39 PM +00:00

While we wait for the NYT, how about some Sergio Trujillo gossip? He was decent when he was a dancer, but apparently turned when he became a choreographer.

replies 353Dec 5, 2017 3:50 PM +00:00

The Broadway League is suing casting directors. The CDs have been campaigning for a union to get healthcare, pensions and other benefits. The League has been trying to shut them down at every turn. Today the League filed suit, claiming the CDs are trying to form a cartel in violation of antitrust laws, fix prices and other nonsense.

UPDATED, 10 AM: Here is the response to the Broadway League’s lawsuit against casting directors and their union from Tom O’Donnell, President of Teamsters Local 817, which also represen…
replies 354Dec 5, 2017 3:50 PM +00:00
R352 Put him on IGNORE and DO NOT ENGAGE HIM

--Done, and Done
replies 355Dec 5, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00
I'd ask you to explain that, but then you'd answer : (

This from the guy who posted the concern troll thread about her. You're just pissed she outlived ol' Chuckie Boy.

replies 356Dec 5, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00
Put him on IGNORE

Just as most people do to you.

replies 357Dec 5, 2017 3:54 PM +00:00
R354 The Broadway League is suing casting directors. The CDs have been campaigning for a union to get healthcare, pensions and other benefits. The League has been trying to shut them down at every turn. Today the League filed suit, claiming the CDs are trying to form a cartel in violation of antitrust laws, fix prices and other nonsense.

From that article: "The League has been steadfast in responding that the casting directors are independent contractors and that the matter should be adjudicated by the National Labor Relations Board."

They should try doing it all without casting directors, then. See how that goes.
replies 358Dec 5, 2017 4:05 PM +00:00

Did no one here notice that DL fave Armie Hammer is coming to Broadway in some new play directed by Anna Shapiro?

Now she is a bully. Maybe not a sexual harrasser but a bully in the rehearsal room.

replies 359Dec 5, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

Armie's play is titled "Straight White Men." Let's not get ourselves typecast!

replies 360Dec 5, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

Angela Lansbury was suspected in the killing of the Black Dahlia. She was the last person to see missing starlet Virginia Spangler alive. When Rebecca Schaefer went to answer her door that day, Angela was ringing the bell.

The joke during Sweeney Todd was that Len Cariou had to ask Angie about throat-slitting technique,

replies 361Dec 5, 2017 4:36 PM +00:00

You've got a lot of nerve attacking Angela Lansbury while defending Rose McGowan who grew up in that Children of God cult that tolerated all sorts of hetero perversion including but not limited to pedophilia but had no tolerance for adult male homosexuality.

replies 362Dec 5, 2017 4:39 PM +00:00

Is there a defense of Rose McGowen Somewhere in this thread? Haven’t seen it.

replies 363Dec 5, 2017 4:57 PM +00:00
Angela Lansbury was suspected in the killing of the Black Dahlia.

Phew. At least that lets me off the hook, then.

--John Huston's ghost
replies 364Dec 5, 2017 5:01 PM +00:00

Armie Hammer is going to be in a Young Jean Lee play, of all things.

The world is strange.

replies 365Dec 5, 2017 5:20 PM +00:00

I don't understand how Broadway casting directors, who do many other shows, tv shows, and commercials, much of it NON-UNION crap, are suddenly all Norma Rae acolytes!! What hubris! Great, let them join the group healthcare of ATPAM while on the shows, but force them to NEVER cast non-union theater and tv again, or get fined and sanctioned like the actors!

replies 366Dec 5, 2017 6:35 PM +00:00

Fuck the unions.

replies 367Dec 5, 2017 6:39 PM +00:00

Apropos of nothing (or everything).... Saw 2ncdcast of Norma at Met this evening. Angela Meade and Jamie Barton, the big cast. Barton minimum 250 pounds to Meade's 300. Rivals indeed. Anybody have better info or guestimate on this topic?

replies 368Dec 5, 2017 6:45 PM +00:00

Fuck opera, no one cares on this thread.

replies 369Dec 5, 2017 7:31 PM +00:00

"Fuck" and "opera" seem to be connected in the news these days.

--Joanie Loves Pagliacci
replies 370Dec 5, 2017 8:08 PM +00:00
R238 Barton minimum 250 pounds to Meade's 300. Rivals indeed. Anybody have better info or guestimate on this topic?

I used to have a DVD of a documentary called THE AUDITION (2008) which I LOVED (even though I'm not a real opera follower.) It's about 12 singers going through the week-long Metropolitan Opera National Council Auditions. She's one of the competitors, and at the end you hear various opera professionals debating which 6 should win.

This one guy asks if they should choose who they think have the best voices, technically, or temper that with what they think someone's carrer will be....because they think there's no way in hell Meade will be hired for much, due to her VERY large size.

I'm always so happy when she pops up in the news or in discussion, because that discussion made me think it was such a close call for her! And, she seems like a nice person. (I'm not in a position to judge her voice.)

Excerpt of Susan Froemke's documentary "The Audition"
replies 371Dec 5, 2017 8:16 PM +00:00
Fuck opera, no one cares on this thread.

Since there's opera and there's soap opera, how come no one ever thought to combine the two?

replies 372Dec 5, 2017 8:17 PM +00:00

replies 373Dec 5, 2017 8:21 PM +00:00

Until the past few decades, all opera plots were soap operas. Had a lot to do with opera's success.

replies 374Dec 5, 2017 8:22 PM +00:00

What was that musical TV drama about cops (?) that lasted a few episodes in the 90s (?) Was it good?

I remember one critic jeeringly saying there should be a show called COPERA.

replies 375Dec 5, 2017 8:25 PM +00:00

Was that Hugh Jackman’s show, r375?

replies 376Dec 5, 2017 9:57 PM +00:00

Casting directors are redundant and most have NO place in judging talent as most of them are failed actors to begin with. And bullies (directors, producers, choreographers, casting directors) should be called out and named just as loudly as sexual harassers. NO difference between bullying behavior and sexual innuendo or intimidation.

replies 377Dec 5, 2017 10:07 PM +00:00

R375, I'm sure you're thinking of Cop Rock on ABC, 1990. It was created by Steven Bochco, who was also responsible for Hill Street Blues, Dougie Howser, LA Law and NYPD Blue. A huge misfire. As you said it only lasted a few months.
replies 378Dec 5, 2017 10:07 PM +00:00

^ Sorry, Doogie Howser, of course, not Dougie. And I should have said a huge, BIZARRE misfire.

replies 379Dec 5, 2017 10:19 PM +00:00
R378 I'm sure you're thinking of Cop Rock on ABC, 1990.

OMG you're right. I just watched a clip on youtube. I want to see the whole series...even though I kind of want it to be even worse.

Even with theater producers recycling every TV show and movie they can get the stage rights to, I hope it will be a long time before we see a COP ROCK backers audition.

replies 380Dec 5, 2017 10:30 PM +00:00

R378 I just found this short write up on Vulture : )

------------------------------ - ------------------------------ - ---------------------

Cop Rock (1990)

The bad-TV aficionados among you were probably excited for this list to hurry up and get to Cop Rock, the — I’m not kidding — musical police procedural that ran on ABC for a whopping 11 episodes. Much of the music, including the theme song, “Under the Gun,” was written by Randy Newman. If you’re not already, I highly suggest going down a long Cop Rock YouTube rabbit hole and reading Nathan Rabin’s genius assessment of the show, since the flop was never legally released for home audiences.

So was it any good?

I said “legally” released for home audiences. A few years back, a friend of mine obtained a bootleg copy, and oh boy, did we watch it. Is it good? It’s a show that sets real crimes to real terrible acting and music. How was a miscalculation this deeply, deeply wrong brought to air? I guess it was the ‘90s. It was a simpler time.

Glen, the Baby Merchant who purchased Patricia Spence's baby in the first episode, sings about the service he offers to undercover officers Andy and Vicki. D...
replies 381Dec 5, 2017 10:39 PM +00:00

R381, all eleven episodes finally got an official DVD release last year from Shout!Factory.
replies 382Dec 5, 2017 10:56 PM +00:00

R382 Aaaaannnndddd....CHRISTMAS HAS COME EARLY!

Thanx : )

replies 383Dec 5, 2017 11:04 PM +00:00

Please start a petition to burn the negative of Bedknobs & Broomsticks thus beginning the great Lansbury erasure. We no longer need abide this vile, rape apologist who for too long now have bludgeoned all of us with her mediocrity. 2nd step rescind all of her Tony awards, and 3rd step, yank all Murder She Wrote episodes from television viewing

replies 384Dec 5, 2017 11:21 PM +00:00

That is schoolyard, "he was mean to me" nonsense, r377. I don't care if a director is Simon Legree if he delivers the goods, like Jerome Robbins. The theater is an autocracy, not a democracy.

replies 385Dec 6, 2017 12:47 AM +00:00

R385, theater is a business. Workplace rules apply. There is no carve-out for theater directors. If one creates a hostile environment, he can be shit-canned... and it has happened.

replies 386Dec 6, 2017 1:13 AM +00:00

I feel foolish for believing the "NY Times expose" rumor.

Oh well.

replies 387Dec 6, 2017 1:38 AM +00:00

I was around when Cop Rock was first broadcast. It was definitely a WTF? moment. I think it was trying to capture the audience who watched MTV. But it was so god-awful. It might have worked if they had chosen a subject other than police and crimes. And even without the songs the writing of the script (book?) was bad. I think the only successful shows that have integrated music into the show were Fame and Glee, and of course both of those had logical musical progressions, not just people bursting out singing for no reason. Pushing Daisies had a bit more luck with integrating songs into their show without the characters being performers, but of course, they didn't do it in every episode.

replies 388Dec 6, 2017 3:04 AM +00:00
You've got a lot of nerve attacking Angela Lansbury while defending Rose McGowan who grew up in that Children of God cult that tolerated all sorts of hetero perversion including but not limited to pedophilia but had no tolerance for adult male homosexuality.

Sounds like Alabama

replies 389Dec 6, 2017 3:19 AM +00:00

Anna Shapiro is a bully??

I know 2-3 actors who've worked with her and they said she's a joy to work with.

replies 390Dec 6, 2017 3:29 AM +00:00

What exactly is wrong with everyone putting on blindfolds, getting naked and jerking each other off?

I wish that happened to me in college.

replies 391Dec 6, 2017 3:41 AM +00:00

So Peter Martins is let go of his duties because of an ANONYMOUS letter. Jesus Fuckin' Christmas, is this what it is coming to?

replies 392Dec 6, 2017 3:54 AM +00:00

Abuse of power Abuse of Power

Brought to you by George Balanchine, Jerome Robbins, Moss Hart, Richard Rodgers, Elia Kazan, David Merrick, Bob Fosse, Gower Champion, Steve Sondheim, Cole Porter...

replies 393Dec 6, 2017 3:56 AM +00:00

I think with all these sex allegations flying around, it's a good time for a Broadway revival of Doubt. Since Meryl Streep stunk up the movie, it's time people saw the show done properly. Maybe Cherry Jones could be convinced to come back and do the first six months? If not, maybe Tyne Daly?

replies 394Dec 6, 2017 4:02 AM +00:00

I'm not a star! I'm a woman! And I want to be fucked!

--The powerful Miss Kay Francis
replies 395Dec 6, 2017 4:21 AM +00:00

Most casting directors I know are not bullies at all. Most make zero money and are probably, by and large, the kindest faction of the biz.

--an actor
replies 396Dec 6, 2017 4:38 AM +00:00

Jeez, what happens in the Army when a commander ridicules, browbeats and orders a soldier to drop and give him 50?

"He was mean to me!"

--Man up!
replies 397Dec 6, 2017 5:05 AM +00:00

This ain't the Army, Miss Jones.

replies 398Dec 6, 2017 5:22 AM +00:00

People are such wusses these days. Man up, everyone !!

replies 399Dec 6, 2017 5:37 AM +00:00

"Mama, Jerry and his red-headed boy toy touched my pee pee!!! And then didn't hire me. Waaaaaaaaah."

replies 400Dec 6, 2017 5:54 AM +00:00

What's the last line in THE BRIDGE OVER THE RIVER KWAI?

Pennsylvania Rep. Daryl Metcalfe (R) stunned committee members after suggesting the Democratic colleague who touched his arm is gay.
Washington Post
--Oh, yes...."Madness!"
replies 401Dec 6, 2017 6:16 AM +00:00

So the red head gets the train pulled on him all night now?

--Sosh Jtrickland’s Peep Hole
replies 402Dec 6, 2017 6:37 AM +00:00

R384: You can have the negative to B&B when you pry it from my cold dead mouse fingers. That, Pete's Dragon, The Rescuers, and Winnie-The-Pooh were the only reason we even bothered to go on without Walt in the first place.

replies 403Dec 6, 2017 6:54 AM +00:00

"Straight White Men" is not a new play. It was done a while back at The Public. Looks like Tom Skerrit will be doing the Austin Pendleton role.

When Ed and his three adult sons come together to celebrate Christmas, they enjoy cheerful trash-talking, pranks, and takeout Chinese. Then they confront a problem that even being a happy family can’t solve: when identity matters, and privilege is problematic, what is the value of being a straight white man?
replies 404Dec 6, 2017 6:55 AM +00:00

The Disney hybrid that needs to be destroyed for the good of humanity is the one made 7 years before Bedknobs, the one whose flaws its psychotic fans project onto every other musical of the era, and the one whose star won an Oscar under false pretenses and only to make up for James Baskett getting only a special Oscar instead of the real one he deserved.


replies 405Dec 6, 2017 6:56 AM +00:00

I want Armie Hammer and Andy Karl in Take Me Out.

replies 406Dec 6, 2017 7:24 AM +00:00

Whose names will you call them by, R406?

replies 407Dec 6, 2017 7:24 AM +00:00

Angie baby, if you're serious about making good on what you said, maybe you should convert to Judaism like I did.

--Helen Reddy
replies 408Dec 6, 2017 7:38 AM +00:00

Tyne Daly in a Broadway revival of Doubt? It would have to be someone like Cate Blanchett.

replies 409Dec 6, 2017 7:51 AM +00:00
when you pry it from my cold dead mouse fingers.

Sounds good. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got some calls to make.

replies 410Dec 6, 2017 8:39 AM +00:00


replies 411Dec 6, 2017 8:44 AM +00:00

The world will never look at R136 like a man.

replies 412Dec 6, 2017 8:50 AM +00:00

I dunno, r136 looks like a man to me.

replies 413Dec 6, 2017 9:02 AM +00:00

Does that have its own thread r401?

--It certainly deserves one
replies 414Dec 6, 2017 9:04 AM +00:00

For 6 weeks only

*KellyAnne Conway* IS DOUBT*

--Barry and Fran
replies 415Dec 6, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00

Nah r415, go with Suckabee Col. Sanders. She's right out of Central Casting. She looks like she was born with a knuckle-rapping ruler in her fist and a nun's habit is the only garment that would hide her copious figure faults.

--Plus.....she HAS the 'tude!
replies 416Dec 6, 2017 9:22 AM +00:00

r413=Miss Swan

replies 417Dec 6, 2017 9:22 AM +00:00

Even with those reviews, do we think Spongebob will actually run longer than an year? Looks very expensive to run also. I don't know anyone without kids who wants to see it.

replies 418Dec 6, 2017 9:41 AM +00:00

I guess they're so relieved it's not a total trainwreck that they hype it out to be better than it is. Musn't offend the kiddies, now. Maybe someday a future Broadway star will cite this as what inspired him to pursue his dreams. And one wonders what show it will be.

replies 419Dec 6, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

SpongeBob will be like Something Rotten and Spring Awakening. Ecstatic reviews with a middling follow-up.

replies 420Dec 6, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

It all looks like Seussical to me

replies 421Dec 6, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

Broadway used to be able to do better than that in its sleep, R420, and it's not just me being nostalgic.

replies 422Dec 6, 2017 10:10 AM +00:00

Correct! New Flyer and Deal!

For 3 months only!

Sarah Huckabee Sanders



replies 423Dec 6, 2017 10:12 AM +00:00

Still no NY Times article yet NPR has suspended Leonard Lopate, Jonathan Schwartz and John Hockenberry, all for sexual harrassment!

replies 424Dec 6, 2017 10:12 AM +00:00

Schwartz deserved to be canned for his lousy, self-regarding phone interview with Doris Day.

replies 425Dec 6, 2017 10:34 AM +00:00

Where do they dig up these types? Wasn't Schwartz also the guy who programmed the All-Sinatra channel on Satellite Radio?

replies 426Dec 6, 2017 10:36 AM +00:00

Jonathan Schwartz got canned? Wow. He's the son of composer Arthur Schwartz ("That's Entertainment," etc).

replies 427Dec 6, 2017 10:45 AM +00:00

The clown, with his pants falling down.

replies 428Dec 6, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00

Schwartz's case is allegedly not about sexual harassment, it's about other misbehavior.

replies 429Dec 6, 2017 10:59 AM +00:00

The review was the nadir of theatre criticism. George Jean Nathan and Walter Kerr are spinning in their urns.

replies 430Dec 6, 2017 11:03 AM +00:00

Dorothy Parker would have torn SpongeBob about 50 new holes. Even Winnie-the-Pooh wasn't safe from her poison pen.

--Tonstant weader fwowed up
replies 431Dec 6, 2017 11:05 AM +00:00

For 6 weeks ALWAYS

Sarah Huckabee Sanders


Front Table at Red Lobster

replies 432Dec 6, 2017 11:19 AM +00:00

All the kids who grew up with the first wave of Disney shows are now adults and that sort of thing seems to be the bulk of what they know.

Is it at least better than Shrek: The Musical?

replies 433Dec 6, 2017 11:22 AM +00:00

I see her more as a Luby's kinda gal r432.

replies 434Dec 6, 2017 11:37 AM +00:00

The SpongeBob cartoons are cute, but I can't in a million years imagine paying good money to see the musical.

replies 435Dec 6, 2017 11:39 AM +00:00

Sarah Huckabee Sanders IS the founder of the cafeteria empire in "CALL ME RUBY LUBY!"

replies 436Dec 6, 2017 11:39 AM +00:00

$102 for "Pride and Prejudice" at the Cherry Lane - are they kidding???

replies 437Dec 6, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00
$102 for "Pride and Prejudice" at the Cherry Lane - are they kidding???

Does that include taxes and "theater restoration" fees because on the website they are $82.
replies 438Dec 6, 2017 11:55 AM +00:00

PageSix is reporting that an audience member's service dog got loose at Cats this week and chased one of the cats in the opening number.

Spies at the Neil Simon Theatre tell us an audience member’s service dog “got away from its owner and ran after [the character] Bombalurina, performed by actress Mackenzie Warren, during the opening number.”
Luckily, a fast-moving usher “intervened and returned the wayward canine to its mortified owner.” A spokesperson for the megamusical confirmed the incident, adding, “In the storied history of ‘Cats,’ this is the first time one of the actual cats was involved in an incident with a dog. We’re pleased to report that no animals or humans were harmed in the dust-up, and the performance continued without a hitch.”
replies 439Dec 6, 2017 12:23 PM +00:00

Schwartz is a major asshole. I'm not surprised.

replies 440Dec 6, 2017 12:24 PM +00:00

I hope Warren wasn't traumatized to the point of needing a service animal r439.

replies 441Dec 6, 2017 12:31 PM +00:00

R432 and R436. You're both wrong. Clearly you have not heard about the all you can eat option at Olive Garden. She even calls ahead to tell them put more bread sticks in the oven.

replies 442Dec 6, 2017 12:42 PM +00:00

Olive Garden sounds a bit for her gastronomic sensibilities r442. More like Hometown Buffet. All you can eat AND it's good ol' AMERICAN chow....made great....again.

replies 443Dec 6, 2017 12:58 PM +00:00

Oh God. What will Jessica Molaskey and John Pizzerelli do without Schwartz? He basically made their careers.

replies 444Dec 6, 2017 1:07 PM +00:00

R428 made me fall out of my chair laughing. Thank you.

replies 445Dec 6, 2017 1:22 PM +00:00

Pure class

replies 446Dec 6, 2017 1:23 PM +00:00

R446. Wow, That really was sincere, because she's not that good an actress. I find it very endearing when someone who has everything is still touched by a simple gesture like a birthday cake and well wishes.

replies 447Dec 6, 2017 1:45 PM +00:00

That was a lovely video of Midler. Thanks for posting!

replies 448Dec 6, 2017 2:08 PM +00:00

Will the service dog be charged for abuse, assault and harassment?

replies 449Dec 6, 2017 2:24 PM +00:00
Schwartz is a major asshole.

My God, I'm surrounded by assholes!

--Dark Helmet
replies 450Dec 6, 2017 2:25 PM +00:00

You certainly are. A cluster f*** full.

replies 451Dec 6, 2017 2:27 PM +00:00

What the fuck is wrong with David Hyde Pierce? "These are the lips that sang Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy"? Bette had about ten other songs that she's famous for. How about The Rose? How about From A Distance? How about Wind Beneath My Wings?

replies 452Dec 6, 2017 2:50 PM +00:00

R452, what the fuck is wrong with one's go-to version of Bette being fun rather than schmaltzy?

replies 453Dec 6, 2017 2:54 PM +00:00

If they give a cake to Bernadette Peters will Victor Garber day these are the lips that sang “Gee Whiz?”

replies 454Dec 6, 2017 2:54 PM +00:00

No, they'll just argue over whose bastardization of my baby did more damage.

--Martin Charnin, crying all the way to the bank
replies 455Dec 6, 2017 2:56 PM +00:00

It becomes a trolling game ... "These are the lips that sang '2 Good 2 Be Bad.'" "These are the lips that recorded dialogue for an Playtex commercial." "These are the lips that spoke lines in Pink Cadillac, starring Clint Eastwood."

replies 456Dec 6, 2017 3:01 PM +00:00

No. He'll cite "Chico's Girl".

replies 457Dec 6, 2017 3:01 PM +00:00

Or this!

I do not own the rights to the music or video. I just wanted to share it with you!
replies 458Dec 6, 2017 3:08 PM +00:00

These are the lips that claimed Breyer's Lite Ice Cream was good for you.

(Credit to Pannoni4) Found another ad with her that I don't even remember as a kid, this time sitting down in front of a few other froyos, and saying how goo...
replies 459Dec 6, 2017 3:09 PM +00:00

Saw a rebroadcast of the National Theatre's Follies last night. I have minor quibbles, but, really, I can't imagine a much better production of a show so difficult to cast and produce well (and on the Olivier's enormous stage, too). I got a bit misty at Broadway Baby and One More Kiss, which has never happened to me before. Kudos to the National for spending money on a real orchestra. Other kudos to the sound designer or whoever is in charge of the body mics. I did not see one of those damn forehead gumdrops or a wire down the back of a neck -- both of which always take me out of a show -- until Live, Laugh, Love. I don't know where they hid them, but well done, you.

The showing was in Berkeley and easily 80% of the audience was AARP members. Nothing wrong with that, certainly, but where were all the young theater gaylings? I was one once, and I'd go see any classic play or musical to learn from them. UCBerkeley has a dramatic arts department; where were those students? What are the theater kids seeing now? Dear Evan Hansen and Hamilton? I am... concerned.

OK, a couple of the quibbles, "a cornucopia of imperfections," if you will (a bit spoilerish, so maybe stop here if you're planning to see it): The Solange could not handle both the French accent and the tricky lyrics to Ah, Paree! and mush-mouthed most of it. Where were the hand mirrors in Who's That Woman? (I also missed some of the women flubbing the steps at the beginning of that number; only Carlotta did that I saw. Sure, they all perfectly remembered a complicated tap routine 30 years on.) I had to wonder why Young Phyllis was also in Lucy/Jessie. A couple of numbers needed a bit more American pizzazz, mainly You're Going To Love Tomorrow, which seemed a bit tentative (never mind Young Sally's hilarious attempt at "cornucopia"), and Buddy's Blues. Loveland wasn't as under-produced as I'd been led to believe, but that transition should be breathtaking (interesting that the showgirls' patter was reworked for Roscoe, which I guess comes from the original London production).

--At my tiny flat
replies 460Dec 6, 2017 3:23 PM +00:00

Has anyone else seen ACTUALLY?

Alexandra Socha is half of the cast, and I found her so damn irritating. I think that's more the fault of the script than the actor, but wasn't she let go from FUN HOME?

As for ACTUALLY, I can't quite believe we're supposed to be torn between the guy and the gal. I wasn't torn at all. It seemed clear as can be to me, especially given the comparison of what was at stake for each of them. Ugh.

replies 461Dec 6, 2017 3:30 PM +00:00
What are the theater kids seeing now? Dear Evan Hansen and Hamilton? I am... concerned.

Concerned that they might otherwise not be seeing any theater?

replies 462Dec 6, 2017 3:31 PM +00:00

Good thing Audra isn't doing Hello Dolly.

--These Are The Lips That Touched Chipotle
replies 463Dec 6, 2017 3:38 PM +00:00

Why would they have to have hand mirrors r460? They didn't use them in the original. Also, if I recall correctly, Bennett didn't let the women coast on faulty mis-remembered steps. Of course it took Yvonne froever to learn the tap break.
--Who's that woman?
replies 464Dec 6, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00

Lea Salonga just tweeted the Streisand Gypsy is coming out this weekend.

replies 465Dec 6, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00

^ forever

replies 466Dec 6, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

I've only seen the broadcast once but my recollection of Tomorrow/Through is that Young Phyllis wasn't fully on it vocally. I'm not sure if the choreography she had to execute was too busy or something and it affected her singing. I do recall feeling some of the business distracted from the lyrics, like having Young go to iron a shirt at the point where she sings "leave a light on the porch for me".

I thought the approach to Buddy's Blues was smarter than the 2011 Broadway. They knew they didn't have Gene Nelson in London, whereas the 2011 had poor Mr Luker doing fierce little leaps like something Lola Heatherton's Boys would do.

i sort of zoned out of the Mirror number when the young dancers took over. The whole point of the number is that the old gals are still doing it. They shouldn't cede the stage to their ghosts.

I wondered if Young Phyllis was there as insurance in case the audience might miss the Lucy/Jessie distinction, misapplying it as Sally/Phyllis etc.

I should add that I liked the Whitmans, especially Emily, who was like one of those wonderful alternately daffy and steely turns you often see in British sitcoms (like Our Rose in Keeping Up Appearances). The Whitmans can often be boring and twee. I couldn't even remark on anything the Emily did, they were just there, present and characterful - a perfect example of being rather than doing a load of acting or pulling focus. I was sorry that they didn't get applause as their number transitioned into Ah, Paris.

replies 467Dec 6, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

I just realized 'leave a light on the porch for me' is either a theft from or tribute to Hammerstein in Oklahoma.

Sorry being so dim lo these many years.

replies 468Dec 6, 2017 4:02 PM +00:00

Did you know that Midler acknowledges understudies when they go on for the first time and pulls them centerstage for a special acknowledgement. Her humility is inspiring. Remember about a year ago when DL'ers were speculating about what a pain in the ass she would be and how she probably wouldn't even finish out her run. Suck it, bitches.

replies 469Dec 6, 2017 4:07 PM +00:00

I'm convinced that the reputation of the Levine Adriana rests largely on the fact that it was the first studio recording to come along in many years. The last one before it was Capuana's, with Tebaldi at her worst. That was pitchy, dawg. Flat, flat, flat.

r460 Me too!

I thought it was hilarious how young Sally nyuk-nyukked her way out of not just "warn you"/"cornu" (copia) but also that infamous "soul-stirring"/"bolstering". She made the rhymes work! The sound mix on that number was awful, though; you couldn't hear the counterpoint clearly, especially near the end.

Imelda Staunton's Sally reminded me of Cate Blanchett in Blue Jasmine. You start out so high-strung and intense, you have nowhere to go. Her Losing My Mind, so well done, could have been devastating if she had built up to it rather than just have it come at the end of a relentless performance.

Dang, Janie Dee's line readings landed just perfectly every single time. I liked her Could I Leave You, which wasn't hysterical but walked the line between bitter and hurt. Why the hell the costume designer dressed her in grey (that bow!) and then in black, I guess we'll never know.

Josephine Barstow made me bawl. You could argue that this was perfect casting: an aging singer, be it Heidi or Dame Josephine, marshalling her dwindling resources to sing one last song, for herself and for her audience.

I have no basis for comparison for the Loveland sequence. But if its purpose is to have the characters comment on themselves using old-fashioned, grand, artificial theatrical devices, then the job was accomplished, even if it fell short on the "grand". The fact that the revolving stage was stopped for this sequence was arresting. For once, movement was frozen and that allowed us to focus on each character individually. (And I agree with r460 that having young Phyllis there was weird. Why do this only for Phyllis? Did the director think we wouldn't know who Lucy and Jessie are?) BTW, the fuck-is-this look on Janie Dee's face at the start of the sequence is priceless.

This was a cast of strong singing actors. Not a single one was a great singer (except maybe Quast, who really is legit) but they all knew how to use their voices to suit their songs. I'd rather have this than the current crop of overly technically refined, um, shall we call them acting singers?

Sorry for the length of the post.

replies 470Dec 6, 2017 4:08 PM +00:00

^ Sorry, the first paragraph of r470 was meant for a different thread!

replies 471Dec 6, 2017 4:09 PM +00:00
Her humility is inspiring. Remember about a year ago when DL'ers were speculating about what a pain in the ass she would be and how she probably wouldn't even finish out her run. Suck it, bitches.

Yeah, but does she tip her dresser?

replies 472Dec 6, 2017 4:13 PM +00:00

As long as the dresser doesn't tip her with a needle.

replies 473Dec 6, 2017 4:14 PM +00:00

Actually, Bette's dresser was Elaine Stritch's dresser for many of Elaine's performances of her last decade.

Dressers who can put up with that are worth millions to producers.

replies 474Dec 6, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

R465, you win DL today. W&W

replies 475Dec 6, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

Eddie Izzard IS Mame!

replies 476Dec 6, 2017 4:17 PM +00:00

The original Who's That Woman? ghost costumes had scores of expensive dime-sized Swarovski mirrors sewn all over them.

But when the show had its first dress rehearsals in its Boston tryout, the mirrors caught so much light they were distracting and the wardrobe girls desperately cut up shower curtains and glued the plastic over all the mirrors.

True story.

--The Ghost of Barbara Matera
replies 477Dec 6, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

Young Phyllis is there in Lucy and Jessie so that playgoers will realise that the song is about Phyllis's divided self -- and of course YP is half of that divide. Dominic Cooke talked about it in the Platform performance he did at the National a month or so ago. The assumption normally is that Lucy and Jessie are versions of Sally and Phyllis. Not so, says Cooke. So there we have it. Janie Dee gets better and better in the role and her dancing is pretty amazing. Blythe Danner and Jan Maxwell can look on in awe.

replies 478Dec 6, 2017 4:22 PM +00:00

I didn't mind Imelda's "out of the gate" intensity in Follies, weirdly enough. For the first time, I actually think the Sally character made sense. Granted, I never got to see Dorothy Collins do it and I'm sure she was excellent, but I saw Donna McKechnie and Bernadette Peters live and I didn't care for them much.

I despised Imelda's same approach when she played Rose in Gypsy. It didn't work there. Her Rose was an angry, bitter, humorless monster from the beginning and was the same by the end. Had she built to her (admittedly) brilliant "Rose's Turn", she could have been damn near definitive. Her Sally was at least charmingly manic and like an overgrown little girl. She was clearly disturbed from the start, but not in an unsympathetic way.

replies 479Dec 6, 2017 4:24 PM +00:00

r478, I think anyone who pays attention to the song will realize that Lucy and Jessie are not Phyllis and Sally, respectively or otherwise. Cooke didn't have to condescend.

replies 480Dec 6, 2017 4:26 PM +00:00
Actually, Bette's dresser was Elaine Stritch's dresser for many of Elaine's performances of her last decade.

So she's used to not getting a tip.

replies 481Dec 6, 2017 4:31 PM +00:00

I found a photo on Google of Who's That Woman in which they use hand mirrors, but R464 is correct; it wasn't the original production. Lord knows how I got it into my head. (And Lord knows how they got them out of their hands and offstage.)

Agreed with everyone above on Janie Dee's line readings, dancing and *hideous* costume. Every time she took a deep breath in Could I Leave You the bow would move. Lose the bow and dye the tunic a dark green. As Sally sings, "I should have worn green."

I think maybe the first few times I heard the score I thought Lucy/Jessie was about Phyllis and Sally, but I was a teenager and didn't know better.

Before we completely get away from Follies (not that we ever really do), has anyone seen the DVD of this production that's available on iOffer? Is it the same as the NT Live showing or someone's bootleg? Because I prefer the former. Also is it Region 1 (US, Canada) or Region 2 (Europe)?

replies 482Dec 6, 2017 4:31 PM +00:00

What a weird definition of condescension just above. If you paid any attention to the production whatsoever, you'll note that to him (Dominic Cooke). the "ghosts" are actually shadow selves whom he sees as integral to the action, nowhere more clearly than in a song whose very title references one of those selves, so why not include YP? That's simply a director interpreting the work at hand, and few of them do it as well as Cooke does. His National Theatre MA RAINEY'S BLACK BOTTOM remains the best Wilson production I have ever seen (and I saw the Broadway original in 1984), with the exception of the original JOE TURNER'S COME AND GONE.

replies 483Dec 6, 2017 4:33 PM +00:00

r477 - They were covered in plastic because the chorus girls kept getting cut by the mirrors.

r478 - " The assumption normally is that Lucy and Jessie are versions of Sally and Phyllis. "

I've NEVER heard of anyone having that assumption. EVER

--Christine Crane
replies 484Dec 6, 2017 4:34 PM +00:00

So much confusion over Lucy/Jessie. Go back to the simpler Ah, But Underneath. Everybody understood that.

replies 485Dec 6, 2017 4:35 PM +00:00

r479 Having just expressed disappointment over Imelda's (as you put it) "out of the gate" Sally, I'll play devil's advocate and argue for why it works. It makes us believe that she really is mentally unhinged, enough to have tried to kill herself and enough to have actually gone to the reunion to lure Ben. The latter, especially, is much easier to swallow if the Sally we see right from the beginning looks like she's on a mission.

r481 Stritch was not used to getting John Bay's tip.

replies 486Dec 6, 2017 4:37 PM +00:00
Stritch was not used to getting John Bay's tip.

Who would want that Sandpaper Sally? I'll concentrate on my crumpets.

--J. Bay
replies 487Dec 6, 2017 4:41 PM +00:00

r485 - I don't think it works as well, but Dee Hoty certainly made a very persuasive case for it.

--She was a wonderful Phyllis
replies 488Dec 6, 2017 4:43 PM +00:00

Christine (above) must move in very soignee sophisticated circles since I can guarantee "her" that almost everyone on first acquaintanceship thinks that Lucy/Jessie are veiled equivalents of the show's leading women and NOT an expression of the bifurcated self. That comes with obsession to the cause LOL. A word in passing for Peter Forbes's Buddy --- a really wonderful performance, beautifully acted and sung and pitched. His Scottish accent in real life is a total surprise.

Poor Ms Rigg, such long legs and so little talent.

replies 489Dec 6, 2017 4:43 PM +00:00

With all due respect r489, bullshit. Since 1971 this is the first time I have EVER heard/read that someone would/had interpret/interpreted it that way. Regarding Miss Rigg, compare her version versus Miss Hoty's. I had no idea there was taped footage of it. She's she gives it her all!

--and I love Diana Rigg
replies 490Dec 6, 2017 5:01 PM +00:00

r489 The Margie sections of The Right Girl were very moving, and Forbes so effectively made a point of making the two sections distinct from each other.

replies 491Dec 6, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

Dee Hoty is good on the cast recording but she was mostly dull onstage. And though in great shape, she looked... like Tony Sheldon. She needs the softening specific hairstyles can bring - I wouldn't recommend she wear a turban without a few spit curls...

replies 492Dec 6, 2017 5:08 PM +00:00
The assumption normally is that Lucy and Jessie are versions of Sally and Phyllis.

Uh ... since when? It’s perfectly clear that Lucy and Jessie are both sides of Phyllis, and has been for 46 years.

replies 493Dec 6, 2017 5:10 PM +00:00

I wouldn't say Rigg gave it her all. Her Emma Peel insouciance is fully (or should that be, almost fully) on display.

London has had only two full-scale productions of "Follies," the one currently running at the National Theatre, and the West End premiere in 1987, starring D...
--The Avenger in COLOR
replies 494Dec 6, 2017 5:15 PM +00:00
And though in great shape, she looked... like Tony Sheldon.

That's a terrible thing to say.

--Terence Stamp
replies 495Dec 6, 2017 5:18 PM +00:00
Go back to the simpler Ah, But Underneath.

One of the worst songs Sondheim ever wrote. “Lucy and Jessie” is vastly superior, and for that matter, so is “Uptown Downtown,” the song that Lucy and Jessie replaced.

replies 496Dec 6, 2017 5:20 PM +00:00

Is there some reason they're making it so difficult to see "Follies" in the LA area? Why isn't it showing in either regular movie theaters or smaller legit theaters? In LA, the only two places to see it are UCLA and UC Irvine, both of which (1) are major schleps for me and (2) charge a lot for parking. I noticed that in other cities, it seemed to be a lot more accessible.

replies 497Dec 6, 2017 5:21 PM +00:00

r492 - Fuck off Ethel, YOU need the softness, not Dee!

replies 498Dec 6, 2017 5:24 PM +00:00

I think in that R&H guy's book it's claimed that Uptown Downtown was only replaced because Michael Bennett insisted. I can't remember why but it was painted as a payback/tit for tat request, not that he thought the song was shit. The dance music is similar to Lucy and Jessie. The same choreography could probably be used. Does Sondheim forbid its use?

replies 499Dec 6, 2017 5:25 PM +00:00

Assassin! ASSASSIN!!!

--Drama Queen! DRAMA QUEEN!!!!
replies 500Dec 6, 2017 5:28 PM +00:00

Oops, wrong thread.

replies 501Dec 6, 2017 5:29 PM +00:00

If it's all the same to you, I'm also the OP of the thread about Bea Arthur's vagina.

replies 502Dec 6, 2017 5:30 PM +00:00

FLAMES r500.....
replies 503Dec 6, 2017 5:33 PM +00:00

"The assumption normally is that Lucy and Jessie are versions of Sally and Phyllis.

:,,,almost everyone on first acquaintanceship thinks that Lucy/Jessie are veiled equivalents of the show's leading women and NOT an expression of the bifurcated self."

Never. Never EVER.

replies 504Dec 6, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

On first hearing, I thought "Lucy/Jessie" were Mary Martin and Ethel Merman.

replies 505Dec 6, 2017 6:08 PM +00:00

Is this the same troll that tried swore he saw “Shuffling Along” on Bway with Audra?

replies 506Dec 6, 2017 6:08 PM +00:00

On the other hand, Janie Dee's dress could have been worse.

"Meine Lippen sie küssen so hieß" - Giuditta -Metropolitan Opera Gala - James Levine's 25th Anniversary 1996
replies 507Dec 6, 2017 6:17 PM +00:00

So why isn't Rapp one of the people on Time's cover? Why is it only women?

Was he like 'no way'? 'I have enough accusations of being an attention whore already.'

replies 508Dec 6, 2017 6:20 PM +00:00

You're never fully dressed when you're a slut!

--Little Orphan Angie
replies 509Dec 6, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

Hasn’t Anthony Rapp said he has nothing else to say on the subject? Of course, that didn’t stop him from outing the various people who upbraided him for revealing what Spacey did.

I imagine he was asked to participate and turned it down.

But I also imagine the cover was only for women. Too bad they left out Gretchen Carlson, who brought Roger Ailes down.

replies 510Dec 6, 2017 6:57 PM +00:00

I thought Lucy and Jessie were Lucille Ball and Vivian Vance.

replies 511Dec 6, 2017 6:58 PM +00:00

Michael Bennett thought Uptown Downtown didn’t work very well for what he wanted to do with the song. That’s why he requested a replacement. “Lucy & Jessie” is definitely the best of the three.

replies 512Dec 6, 2017 7:00 PM +00:00
Is there some reason they're making it so difficult to see "Follies" in the LA area

There’s some organization that got its claws on Follies, and I guess they’re showing it to raise money. Angels in America, on the other hand, was at multiple theatres and easy to find.

replies 513Dec 6, 2017 7:03 PM +00:00

LA TheatreWorks is the company that hijacked the LA “Follies”screenings.

replies 514Dec 6, 2017 7:06 PM +00:00

Yeah, Bennett just had some kind of creative block trying to stage Uptown, Downtown. That's why he asked for a replacement. It's odd because Lucy and Jessie musically and lyrically is little more than a simple rewrite of U/D.

Meanwhile, Underneath is cute but fuck it in performance. Nothing ever has or ever will come close to this for that moment for this show:

Alexis Smith and Cast
replies 515Dec 6, 2017 7:58 PM +00:00

r513 So was "Falsettos."

replies 516Dec 6, 2017 8:15 PM +00:00

R515, according to Bennett, he liked UD much better than SOLAJ. He said that he staged the song so that young Phyllis would be seen moving up onstage and Alexis would be moving down. That was the reason the chorus dancers had their backs to the audience. He said he didn't understand why Sondheim wrote SOLAJ.

replies 517Dec 6, 2017 8:24 PM +00:00

R517, the Chapin book says Bennett requested a new number.

replies 518Dec 6, 2017 8:36 PM +00:00

R518, in Craig Zadan's Sondheim and Co., those are Bennett's own quotes, so who knows.

replies 519Dec 6, 2017 8:40 PM +00:00

Golly. Another DL theatre thread.

Largely occupied by an impending news story. That never happened.

And here we are, once more: discussing FOLLIES.

You people call me crazy.

--Donna Murphy, paying off her mortgage with her Disney INTO THE WOODS dubbing $$$
replies 520Dec 6, 2017 8:46 PM +00:00

That Follies clip is incredible. I had forgotten that it is partly an homage to "Sing, Sing, Sing"

replies 521Dec 6, 2017 8:56 PM +00:00

My dream would be to bring the NT Follies to NYC, maybe to Lincoln Center, but use the original Bennett choreography, which has never been bettered.

replies 522Dec 7, 2017 12:21 AM +00:00

R482 I bought it from IOffer. It's the broadcast and plays perfectly.

replies 523Dec 7, 2017 12:36 AM +00:00

R522, that is my dream as well. I would love to see Follies with the original Bennett choreography, and the Prince direction.

replies 524Dec 7, 2017 1:45 AM +00:00

MY dream is we had works that , years from now, would inspire such devotion.

Can you imagine 30 years from now people going on about Evan or Hamilton like theyre going on about Follies?

And theyre only doing so because of that great score.

The show's a bore--

--Ask COMPANY! (or Sunday-or Woods-or Sweeney-or.....)
replies 525Dec 7, 2017 2:16 AM +00:00

I was a bit disappointed in Bennett's choreography with Lucy/Jessie. There were no signature head pops. Surely that old lady could manage one strong head pop.

And what was up with Sondheim naming it The Story of Lucy and Jessie. Was he going through a Weill/Brecht phase? It's not 3Penny Opera, ya know.

replies 526Dec 7, 2017 2:51 AM +00:00

Yes, the FOLLIES broadcast is fine and iOffer has it.

replies 527Dec 7, 2017 3:10 AM +00:00
Yes, the FOLLIES broadcast is fine and iOffer has it.

I saw three different people offering it. Is one seller better than the other?

replies 528Dec 7, 2017 3:19 AM +00:00

Can we have a Follies Theater thread? Because we're all truly sick of hearing about this dinosaur.

Just make Follies thread 1, 2 etc.

replies 529Dec 7, 2017 3:23 AM +00:00

SOLAJ would only be a 3Penny/Weill "homage" if it referred to Lucy and Jenny, not Jessie.

And if it the song was intended to refer to both Phyllis AND Sally, the "turn" would have only made sense as a sister act that involved both women, as in Chicago.

--It's Magic...Magic by SOLAJ!
replies 530Dec 7, 2017 3:54 AM +00:00

Sorry, but what idiot would think that Phyllis was jealous of Sally? And would sing a song about it??

replies 531Dec 7, 2017 3:58 AM +00:00

God, you bitches have actually made me come to hate Follies! ENOUGH OF THAT DRAG SHOW!!

replies 532Dec 7, 2017 4:19 AM +00:00

"The Story of Lucy and Jessie" is more of an homage to the Ira Gershwin/Kurt Weill LADY IN THE DARK song "The Saga of Jenny" who would make up her mind.

replies 533Dec 7, 2017 4:20 AM +00:00

Have we ever discussed how terrible Threepenny is? Dreck. Why do they keep trying to make it happen?

replies 534Dec 7, 2017 4:25 AM +00:00

My artsier friends scoff when I say this, but the only version of Threepenny that works for me is the Blitzstein. It's the only one that works as musical theatre for me. And yes, I know, that wasn't what Brecht was trying to do. I don't care.

replies 535Dec 7, 2017 4:41 AM +00:00

The original L/J number also referenced those Kay Thompson MGM numbers in which she surrounded Judy or Dolores Gray or whoever with anonymous men in suits dancing around the leading lady. And it made the quick change into Live, Laugh, Love simple because the men didn't have to change costumes but were seen in a new light facing downstage.

The real shocker in those pre-Broadway Follies photos is seeing Alexis and Dorothy in those awful get-ups and wigs in their Loveland numbers before sanity prevailed.

replies 536Dec 7, 2017 4:54 AM +00:00

Miss Murphy and her boys......

replies 537Dec 7, 2017 5:51 AM +00:00

OMG!! I can’t bear it!! This thread has once again degenerated into another all Follies all the time nightmare! Posters who have been sleeping in their coffins for months have arisen to debate the excruciating minutiae of a show most of the rest of us could give a flying fuck about! Please enough with this ongoing torture! Oh, and btw the NYT article is happening next week. Will that get us back on track please God!?

replies 538Dec 7, 2017 5:51 AM +00:00

All right fine we can stop discussing Follies to go back to DL’s favorite topic.

The collapse of Ashley Day and Robert Fairchild’s relationship

replies 539Dec 7, 2017 5:58 AM +00:00

My heart just ACHES for you r538. Your entire life in tatters because of the ultimate cult Broadway musical. To think, the Darfur Orphan has a much happier existence than you. Sad. Well, let's just change the subject, shall we?

7,119 Followers, 1,125 Following, 1,471 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Craig Burns (@bygonebroadway)
--How about bygonebroadway?
replies 540Dec 7, 2017 5:59 AM +00:00

Wait. What?

--Darfur Orphan
replies 541Dec 7, 2017 6:05 AM +00:00


In other news, Michael Longoria is flying to the homophobic Cancun to get married. What? He's never been to that gay-hating shithouse before??????

replies 542Dec 7, 2017 6:09 AM +00:00

R542, where is the most gay-friendly place in Mexico?

replies 543Dec 7, 2017 6:10 AM +00:00

Puerto Vallarta is wonderful!

replies 544Dec 7, 2017 6:25 AM +00:00


Too soon?

replies 545Dec 7, 2017 6:29 AM +00:00

Some of us are still trying to forget it, R545.

replies 546Dec 7, 2017 6:38 AM +00:00


Too soon?

replies 547Dec 7, 2017 6:39 AM +00:00

Follies is 45 years old not 30.

So will people be discussing those two musicals 45 years from now?

They should replicate as well Aronson's and Klotz's magnificent production but there is no way any producer today could afford it despite people paying $100s for tickets.

I paid for a full price orchestra seat for a Wednesday mat $7.50. It soared to an obscene $15 for sat night. And that really was a crazy amount back then to see a Broadway show.

By the way years later Klotz said many fabrics she used for Follies were no longer even being made.

replies 548Dec 7, 2017 6:56 AM +00:00

Remember when Patti LuPone bitched because she had to wear wool in Evita? Yeah, we did that on purpose.

--Timothy & Tazeena
replies 549Dec 7, 2017 7:10 AM +00:00
They should replicate as well Aronson's and Klotz's magnificent production but there is no way any producer today could afford it despite people paying $100s for tickets.

Not everybody who wants to see them can afford to fly to New York on a whim just to see a show.

replies 550Dec 7, 2017 7:13 AM +00:00
Not everybody who wants to see them can afford to fly to New York on a whim just to see a show.

That's why I'm glad National Theatre films their shows and broadcasts them later. I wish more of Broadway would do that. And really, once a Broadway show closes, it's not like they're going to get additional income from it unless one of the touring productions comes to a city near you. And touring companies are rarely as good as Broadway.

--The truncated Les Miz set
replies 551Dec 7, 2017 7:16 AM +00:00


replies 552Dec 7, 2017 7:45 AM +00:00

If you have no interest in Follies why are you even on a theater thread?

replies 553Dec 7, 2017 7:47 AM +00:00
And touring companies are rarely as good as Broadway.

Still a huge cut above community theater.

replies 554Dec 7, 2017 7:48 AM +00:00
If you have no interest in Follies why are you even on a theater thread?

Why, to talk about Over Here!

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replies 555Dec 7, 2017 7:49 AM +00:00

Anybody who does not want to discuss Follies should be on a NFL picks thread.

replies 556Dec 7, 2017 7:50 AM +00:00

And taking bets on which of them will get dementia first? At least with theatre, that doesn't happen until you're 92 and have basically become Sophia Petrillo for real.

replies 557Dec 7, 2017 7:52 AM +00:00

In theater kicks in the head are purely figuratively speaking.

If the were literal you'd have dementia by 28.

replies 558Dec 7, 2017 7:58 AM +00:00

I'm also a fan of Imelda as Sally, which surprised me. Her manic vibe really worked for the character and little nitpicks I used to have about the show suddenly disappeared with her in the role. It all made sense to me. I still can't stand her Rose, though. What the hell went wrong there? She got such wonderful reviews and everyone who saw it live said they saw a completely different show than what ended up on the recording.

replies 559Dec 7, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

She starts giving her Rose on Broadway in February. Hopefully with a full orchestra this time.

replies 560Dec 7, 2017 8:29 AM +00:00

Her manic vibe is what was wrong for the character. No one has surpassed Dorothy Collins in the role. Bringing her "cute" Hit Parade persona to the role, Collins, brilliantly costumed by Klotz (as much as Collins hated the dress, rosebuds and all) belied the madness at the heart of the role and didn't play the end in the beginning like others have done.

replies 561Dec 7, 2017 8:30 AM +00:00
She starts giving her Rose on Broadway in February. Hopefully with a full orchestra this time.

I couldn't find any news on this that isn't at least a year old. Feb is 2 months away. Has a theater been chosen? Are tickets on sale?

Imelda fucking sucks onstage. She should stick to film. THere's no shame in that.

--Julia Roberts
replies 562Dec 7, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

I think there's an uptick in Follies posts because the NT production is really everything we thought the show could be. There was always a shell of a stunner there, and we probably got engaged and overshared our views because we felt we were robbed once again of seeing something that could have been a masterpiece. The NT production is really spectacular. Seeing it is almost like finally sneezing after thinking a sneeze is coming on: immense relief and satisfaction. The book could STILL be better than it is, but it still gets the points across. We sometimes hold on to "follies" or, in this production "fo lies," that prevent us from moving on and recognizing the truth, and we all face an uncertain future while mourning our glorious past. This production hit me in the heart, whereas all previous productions aimed for the head.

replies 563Dec 7, 2017 8:33 AM +00:00

I agree about the NT FOLLIES. It's easily the best production of that show that I've ever seen. Little flaws in the book and characters suddenly make sense and the whole thing played beautifully.

I keep hearing Imelda's GYPSY is coming this year, but why? Everyone saw the broadcast and I don't think anyone liked it very much. Plus, is she a big name in the states? It might sell for a month at the most. If they're going to revive GYPSY on Broadway, they probably need a name.

replies 564Dec 7, 2017 8:36 AM +00:00

Follies didn't use the original book, but is it as close to it as we will get? Where were Vincent and Vanessa?

And, when did the line change from 'honeymooning in St. Petersburg' to 'Boca Raton'?

replies 565Dec 7, 2017 8:42 AM +00:00
And, when did the line change from 'honeymooning in St. Petersburg' to 'Boca Raton'?

Yeah, that's an incendiary issue there.

--When indeed.
replies 566Dec 7, 2017 8:44 AM +00:00

Please Dear God, enough with the fuckin' Follies. Can we get back to real gossip? How the hell is SpongeBob going to run, even with those reviews? What's going into the Lunt? Is King Kong really happening? Will Moulin Rouge learn too late (like Disney) that Timbers is the Emporer's New clothes? What's up with alleged B'way sex scandals? Do Broadway celeb hosted Sex parties really count as harassment? (Is that what The Times is trying to sort out?). Why is Bronx Tail still running? Have they made enough changes to FROZEN to counter their negative Denver Times review? Do the reviews even matter for FROZEN? Has MEAN GIRLS done the work post D.C. Is there any song worth hearing in that score? Is BAND'S VISIT the new 'Come From Away'? The peoples' hit that doesn't need awards? What's up with the casting agents? Will they win their battle with The League? GO!

replies 567Dec 7, 2017 8:49 AM +00:00

The NT production was ok but hardly the end-all and be-all. Loveland was on the cheap, which defeats the very MEANING of the piece, and the performances were hit or miss. Frankly, I thought the Paper Mill Production had better production values that captured the faded glamour of the piece.

replies 568Dec 7, 2017 8:50 AM +00:00

I too purchased my copy of Follies from iOffer.

Good copy. Includes interview stuff with the director and SS.

--A very large, wet BBBBBLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAATT to R567.
replies 569Dec 7, 2017 8:51 AM +00:00

r567 And more importantly -- WHET "Hazel?"

replies 570Dec 7, 2017 9:00 AM +00:00


Bette Midler

NY times article that’s NOT coming

Robbie Fairchild and Ashley Day

Ben Platt

Bob Fosse

-That’s about everything, right?

replies 571Dec 7, 2017 9:06 AM +00:00

What's the verdict on the actor who plays Sponge Bob. he looks adorable, and has a great body. Anyone had him? Has anyone seen the musical? I've never seen the tv show, so don't know much about the particulars of it, but the reviews intrigued me, mostly because I want to see the sets and props that they all mentioned. Even if the play sucks -- which it doesn't seem to -- we can marvel at the ingenuity of the stage craft. I might be in the minority, but I hated the story and music in Lion King, yet I was completely enthralled by the sets and lighting and costumes. I don't think anyone's expecting the book of a Sponge Bob musical to be earth shattering.

replies 572Dec 7, 2017 9:08 AM +00:00

The show itself went downhill without Stephen Hillenburg around.

replies 573Dec 7, 2017 9:10 AM +00:00

You left out BAJOUR r571.

replies 574Dec 7, 2017 9:12 AM +00:00

If you're tired of Folliesh, I can tell shtoriesh about Momma!

--Liza, bored sitting around her apartment
replies 575Dec 7, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00
If you're tired of Folliesh, I can tell shtoriesh about Momma!

Like how she was actually doing backstage what my costume only implied in The Harvey Girls?

Angela Lansbury whoops it up in the Harvey Girls..with Judy Garland
--Dame Angie — can't anyone tell fact from fiction anymore?
replies 576Dec 7, 2017 9:20 AM +00:00

So if Judy hadn't turned into such a mess and hadn't died in '69 she would have been the perfect age to play on stage, she would have been 49 in '71, or on film in Follies.

Who would she have played?

I am appalled they do Follies without Vincent and Vanessa. Who does their number?

replies 577Dec 7, 2017 9:22 AM +00:00
What's the verdict on the actor who plays Sponge Bob. he looks adorable, and has a great body.

Most guys in fast food don't look like him or are usually heavier and zittier. In fact, they look more like Patrick.

replies 578Dec 7, 2017 9:23 AM +00:00

Very cute. Does he do frontal?

replies 579Dec 7, 2017 9:25 AM +00:00

I don’t mind the Follies talk. At least we’re not still only arguing about Hamilton anymore.

replies 580Dec 7, 2017 9:27 AM +00:00
Who would she have played?

She would have played either Sally or Carlotta.

replies 581Dec 7, 2017 9:28 AM +00:00

The only argument about the H show was the point at which we as a society went wrong to enable it, R580.

replies 582Dec 7, 2017 9:28 AM +00:00

Do you ever why Virginia O'Brien just disappeared from The Harvey Girls? Momma called her up one night as a prank and pretended she had been fired. Poor Virginia didn't show up anymore after that. Momma felt bad when the studio sued Virginia for breach of contract.

--Liz Minneli
replies 583Dec 7, 2017 9:30 AM +00:00
R571 -That’s about everything, right?

Don't forget, rape apologist Angela IS the new Elaine
replies 584Dec 7, 2017 9:31 AM +00:00

Being that she was Judy she would have to have played Sally but because she would have been so great doing them they would have given her Broadway Baby and I'm Still Here as well.

replies 585Dec 7, 2017 9:33 AM +00:00

Julie Andrews has enabled more actual violence against women.

replies 586Dec 7, 2017 9:34 AM +00:00

No R582

Some of spoke out against the abuse right after we left the matinee


replies 587Dec 7, 2017 9:36 AM +00:00

Didn't Hamilton open in London yesterday?

replies 588Dec 7, 2017 9:44 AM +00:00

Another great deception on the way

As great as what made "America" a corporation

Please do better this time:

The first preview of the blockbuster musical Hamilton has been met with overwhelming praise by theatregoers lucky enough to get their hands on tickets.
The Telegraph
replies 589Dec 7, 2017 9:59 AM +00:00

THE RED SHOES!!!!! Anyone know if Matthew Bourne' ballet wifi be filmed like his Swan Lake andThe Car man?

replies 590Dec 7, 2017 10:40 AM +00:00
THE RED SHOES!!!!! Anyone know if Matthew Bourne' ballet wifi be filmed like his Swan Lake andThe Car man?

I'll be pissed if it does since I wasted $100 on a ticket for a very lackluster show.

replies 591Dec 7, 2017 10:54 AM +00:00

Hamilton had its first preview last night, press night/opening night is next week.

replies 592Dec 7, 2017 11:26 AM +00:00

Is HAMILTON too "pro" American for the Brits right now? It will be interesting to see if any politics creep into the reviews. It will still sell, whatever they say. They trashed WICKED and its in its 10th year or something...

replies 593Dec 7, 2017 11:32 AM +00:00

Levi! was better than that overrated noisy anachronistic hip-hop shit. Fuck Hamilton. It's time to put the music back into musical theater.

replies 594Dec 7, 2017 11:32 AM +00:00

NYT will release the hounds next week.

replies 595Dec 7, 2017 11:37 AM +00:00

Some asshole started a new thread over an hour ago. With another shitty title.

replies 596Dec 7, 2017 11:38 AM +00:00

Could you imagine Judy singing “Losing My Mind?”

That would have been thrilling.

Actually Judy singing many Sondheim standards would have been great.

Judy Sings Sondheim!

1. Broadway Baby

2. Send In the Clowns

3. Not a Day Goes By

4. Everything’s Coming Up Roses

5. Losing My Mind

6. Children Will Listen

7. No One Is Alone

8. The Ladies Who Lunch

9. I’m Still Here

10. Rose’s Turn

11. Bonus Track: Anyone Can Whistle

replies 597Dec 7, 2017 11:40 AM +00:00

R596 is a scat queen.

replies 598Dec 7, 2017 11:43 AM +00:00

Maybe if Judy had been cast in "Anyone Can Whistle" as Cora Hoover Hooper, it would have played longer than a week.

--Lee Remick
replies 599Dec 7, 2017 11:44 AM +00:00

That's all, folks!

Edited to clean up video and audio track. It's the best one that you'll find if this is what you're looking for.
--Sean Marshall — I worked at WB and Disney in the same year. Did you?
replies 600Dec 7, 2017 11:46 AM +00:00

Moose Murders!

(Let's close this out on a high note!)

replies 601Dec 7, 2017 11:47 AM +00:00