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In apparent shift, Trump tweets he fired Flynn for lying to FBI

President Trump said Saturday he had to fire Michael Flynn as national security adviser because he lied to Vice President Pence and the FBI, an apparent shift from the reasons Trump stated at the time of Flynn's ouster. Trump's changing rationale is a discrepancy that will catch the attention of prosecutors on Mueller's team looking into whether the president tried to obstruct the investigation. "I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies," Trump tweeted while traveling in New York City for fundraising events. Trump also stressed "there was nothing to hide!" "It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!" he added. The president's tweet is his most substantial reaction yet to Flynn's guilty plea in special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation. Before leaving the White House on Saturday, Trump told reporters there was "no collusion" between his campaign and Moscow -- but did not elaborate.

President Trump said Saturday he had to fire Michael Flynn as national security adviser because he lied to Vice President Pence and the FBI, an apparent shift from the reasons Trump stated at the time of Flynn's ouster.
TheHill
--Anonymous
replies 173Dec 2, 2017 12:33 PM +00:00

An act of desperation...

--Anonymous
replies 1Dec 2, 2017 12:34 PM +00:00

It's really wise of the Dotard to give Lock-her-up-Flynn more reasons to snitch.

--Anonymous
replies 2Dec 2, 2017 12:38 PM +00:00

he's a shit head

--and congress is worse
replies 3Dec 2, 2017 12:40 PM +00:00

And as one of the talking heads just said, Mueller is going to take this Trump's tweet and ask him: "What exactly is Flynn's lie--and who authorized him to lie--and why do you think he lied?"

Trump doesn't know how to STFU. Trump's tweet will haunt him. Keep it up you criminal douchebag.

--Anonymous
replies 4Dec 2, 2017 12:45 PM +00:00

The story has never changed. That is the original story, nothing has changed. Not a fan of trump, but I remember this happening very early in the administration.

--Anonymous
replies 5Dec 2, 2017 12:48 PM +00:00

Renato Mariotti‏Verified account @renato_mariotti

Has anyone told Trump he has the right to remain silent?

@realDonaldTrump

I had to fire General Flynn because he lied to the Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those lies. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!

--Anonymous
replies 6Dec 2, 2017 12:51 PM +00:00

The "actions during the translation" is an interesting qualifier.

So does attempting to arrange the unwarranted extradition (or possibly the extraordinary rendition) of a US resident to Turkey, on whose behalf Flynn was acting as an unregistered foreign agent while serving in the White House, not count under Trump's tweet?

--Anonymous
replies 7Dec 2, 2017 12:52 PM +00:00

Trump believes EVERY word flying out of his stupid pie hole, so there is never a reason to remain silent!

He is POTUS after all, so if he is doing it, it must be legal! Say...where have I heard that before?

--Anonymous
replies 8Dec 2, 2017 1:03 PM +00:00

R5, the significant change is that trump is admitting that in addition to Pence, Flynn also lied to the FBI.

--Anonymous
replies 9Dec 2, 2017 1:06 PM +00:00

He just dug the hole another couple of feet deeper.

He really is a total dumbfuck.

--Anonymous
replies 10Dec 2, 2017 1:06 PM +00:00

We all watch read the news, troll.

--Anonymous
replies 11Dec 2, 2017 1:08 PM +00:00

No R5, the original story is that he was fired for lying to Pence which was exposed by the WaPo .

Now Trump basically admits he knew Flynn had committed a crime (lying to the FBI) but still asked Comey to let Flynn go. This confirms obstruction of justice

--Anonymous
replies 12Dec 2, 2017 1:14 PM +00:00

Yes. Lying to Pence was no crime but lying to FBI is. So trying to end case again Flynn is obstruction of justice. Case closed.

--Anonymous
replies 13Dec 2, 2017 1:25 PM +00:00

I stuck Daddy's phone up my twat so he won't Twitter. I can't guarantee anything.

--Ivanka
replies 14Dec 2, 2017 1:29 PM +00:00

LOCK THEM *ALL* UP!

--Anonymous
replies 15Dec 2, 2017 1:49 PM +00:00

Susan Hennessey says this about Trump's tweet:

This is a pretty substantial confession to essential knowledge elements of an obstruction of justice charge.
“This is a pretty substantial confession to essential knowledge elements of an obstruction of justice charge. https://t.co/UpQfilPVfJ”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 16Dec 2, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00

Laurence Tribe:

The time sequence as Trump now reports it CONFESSES that he KNEW Flynn had committed a major federal felony BEFORE firing Comey for refusing to let that criminal (Flynn) escape justice. That’s a confession of deliberate, corrupt obstruction of justice by @POTUS. QED!
“The time sequence as Trump now reports it CONFESSES that he KNEW Flynn had committed a major federal felony BEFORE firing Comey for refusing to let that criminal (Flynn) escape justice. That’s a confession of deliberate, corrupt obstruction of justice by @POTUS. QED! https://t.co/tSnnDho81q”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 17Dec 2, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

Can anyone be so dumb? Mind blowing that this man is the leader of the free world..... or probably not at this point. Damn, what a total nit wit.

--Anonymous
replies 18Dec 2, 2017 2:03 PM +00:00

Even the lying to Pence was a coverup because apparently everyone else in Trump 's group knew he talked to the Russians

--Anonymous
replies 19Dec 2, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

The latest spin is Trump's lawyer drafted the tweet for him. Uh-huh.

As someone in this twitter thread says, it doesn't matter who. It was tweeted out on Twittler's twitter. It's official POTUS statement.

“WaPo sources say *Trump's lawyer* "drafted" the bad tweet, which is either not true or very embarrassing for Trump's lawyer: https://t.co/hDnh1upX8D”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 20Dec 2, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

The Art of the Tweet: Reality Warping for Fun and Profit.

--Anonymous
replies 21Dec 2, 2017 4:44 PM +00:00

So now it looks like the lawyer is trying to cover for him by having it said Trump didn't tweet this out? Will that work??

--Anonymous
replies 22Dec 2, 2017 5:32 PM +00:00

Only with someone Deplorably stupid

--Anonymous
replies 23Dec 2, 2017 5:37 PM +00:00
“An early look at tomorrow's front page... TWEETLE DUMB https://t.co/qhCE3qkrll”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 24Dec 2, 2017 5:39 PM +00:00

If that's the case, how will the deplorables know when it's really him tweeting?

How long before Barron gets the blame?

--Anonymous
replies 25Dec 2, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

Ha ha ha r24

--Anonymous
replies 26Dec 2, 2017 5:42 PM +00:00
“Trump Motorcade arriving to chants of "Lock Him Up" in NYC https://t.co/fIFcUCLuIO”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 27Dec 2, 2017 5:42 PM +00:00

Ian Millhiser‏Verified account @imillhiser

Just so we’re clear, a vetted statement drafted by counsel that admits to a crime is MUCH MORE INCRIMINATING than a tweet tossed off by a suspect with a well-known reputation for saying things that aren’t true.

--Anonymous
replies 28Dec 2, 2017 5:47 PM +00:00

As we know, Trump changes his story multiple times as the situation changes or whenever he feels like it. But it's not lying lying... He's just being "proactive" and "smart". Guess we know where Jr. learned his bullshitting skills from.

--Anonymous
replies 29Dec 2, 2017 5:48 PM +00:00

Ted Lieu‏Verified account @tedlieu

Trump's folks are so freaked out by @realDonaldTrump tweet that establishes Obstruction of Justice that they are trying to blame lawyer Dowd. If true, they should fire him for malpractice. But it doesn't absolve Trump. If lawyer drafts X & I say X, then I have adopted X as my own

--Anonymous
replies 30Dec 2, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

Wouldn't Trump need to give his lawyer permission to tweet from his account, though? And anyway, why would the lawyer tweet that if Trump hadn't told him that was why he fired Flynn?

--Anonymous
replies 31Dec 2, 2017 5:50 PM +00:00

Everyone who has seen Twittler's tweets knows his style, and that tweet is his style unmistakably. People also say a lawyer would've said "pleaded" not "pled".

And as we're told time and again by Fuckabee Sanders, the POTUS tweets speak for themselves.

--Anonymous
replies 32Dec 2, 2017 5:55 PM +00:00

Trump has confirmed obstruction of justice at least three times now.

He is unbelievably stupid.

--Anonymous
replies 33Dec 2, 2017 5:55 PM +00:00
As we know, Trump changes his story multiple times as the situation changes or whenever he feels like it.

*giggle* just think of it. He's so depraved and entangled by his own lies that he comes out with the truth, nothing more than a sequence of pertinent words for him. OOOPS!

He doesn't have dementia, he's just never been in a situation this challenging to his basic nature to lie.

--Anonymous
replies 34Dec 2, 2017 5:56 PM +00:00

R34 At his age, dementia and pathological lying converge into the same black hole of insanity.

--Anonymous
replies 35Dec 2, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

Comey's instagram: Beautiful Long Island Sound from Westport, CT. To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be long hidden: the sun; the moon; and the truth. ‬

14.2k Likes, 846 Comments - James Comey (@comey) on Instagram: “?Beautiful Long Island Sound from Westport, CT. To paraphrase the Buddha — Three things cannot be…”
Instagram
--Anonymous
replies 36Dec 2, 2017 6:05 PM +00:00

Wow.

--Anonymous
replies 37Dec 2, 2017 6:07 PM +00:00

R36 Poetic. But we live in dark time... Voldemort wants to destroy the sun, the moon and the truth.

--Anonymous
replies 38Dec 2, 2017 6:08 PM +00:00

One thing you will never get out of Trump and his followers is the truth. They don't understand the concept or the relevance of it.

--Anonymous
replies 39Dec 2, 2017 6:11 PM +00:00

Trump was 27 in 1973, when Watergate was all over the news. Doesn't he remember how Nixon sealed his own fate by recording himself breaking the law? If his instinct for self-preservation isn't enough to shut him up, you'd think that example might remind him to be careful.

--Anonymous
replies 40Dec 2, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

So Trump fired him because he lied to the FBI. And yet: "Michael Flynn, General Flynn is a wonderful man. I think he’s been treated very, very unfairly by the media -- as I call it, the fake media, in many cases. And I think it’s really a sad thing that he was treated so badly."

--Anonymous
replies 41Dec 2, 2017 6:19 PM +00:00

"LOCK HIM UP! - TRAITOR!"

Has a nice rhythm to it.

Crowd chanting at Traitor in Chief in NY.

“Trump Motorcade arriving to chants of "Lock Him Up" in NYC https://t.co/fIFcUCLuIO”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 42Dec 2, 2017 6:20 PM +00:00

R35 very well said.

--Anonymous
replies 43Dec 2, 2017 6:29 PM +00:00

Comey can go fuck himself. I have no patience for his smug condescension. What a prick.

--Anonymous
replies 44Dec 2, 2017 6:38 PM +00:00

I want this protest sign!

“New Yorkers today protested the #TaxScamBill @realDonaldTrump, in town for a $1000/plate fundraiser, celebrated w rich donors after the @SenateGOP robbed Americans blind like a thief in the night. Stay angry, people! We need to take back Congress in 2018. #BlueWave2018”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 45Dec 2, 2017 6:40 PM +00:00

Poetic justice that his big nasty mouth got him hired... and fired.

--2018
replies 46Dec 2, 2017 6:43 PM +00:00

R45 The toast should really be smeared with orange melted cheese.

--Anonymous
replies 47Dec 2, 2017 6:46 PM +00:00

Why all the hate for Comey?

He's not the president.

--Anonymous
replies 48Dec 2, 2017 6:46 PM +00:00

Trump said back in February that he didn't believe Flynn did anything wrong:

They blamed vindictive reporters, overworked staff, and Obama ‘sleeper cells.’ Then Trump’s allies were forced to admit that the national security adviser did himself in.
The Daily Beast
--Anonymous
replies 49Dec 2, 2017 6:48 PM +00:00

Various legal authorities are pointing out today that these remarks also amount to an admission of obstruction of justice, because Trump is admitting here that:

a) he knew Flynn had lied to the FBI b) he knew this well before he fired Comey

--Anonymous
replies 50Dec 2, 2017 6:48 PM +00:00

Trump's first words on Flynn are, of course, a complete lie: 1) No, you didn't fire Flynn for lying to the FBI. You stated your reasons for firing him on live TV, you idiot. You never mentioned the FBI. 2) No, he did not plead guilty to lying to Mike Pence, either.

--Anonymous
replies 51Dec 2, 2017 6:49 PM +00:00

Folks, any fool can see the tweet, like all tweets, is not meant to be an encyclopedia of verbiage.

All the tweet is saying is:

"Flynn lied to me and [turned out to have lied about the same shit] to the Feds..."

Big nothing burger.

--Anonymous
replies 52Dec 2, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00

R52 Big lying burger... fixed it for you.

--Anonymous
replies 53Dec 2, 2017 7:03 PM +00:00
, is not meant to be an encyclopedia of verbiage.

english much?

--nothing burger = trump cretin
replies 54Dec 2, 2017 7:07 PM +00:00
Why all the hate for Comey?

Because he notified the Congress on Oct. 28, 2016 that the FBI was investigating additional emails in Clinton private server case.

Because he had no warrant to access those emails at the time he wrote the letter and he didn't know if those emails were worth anything.

Because the public assumed that if the FBI was investigating further there must be something amiss.

Because Trump relished the opportunity to bash Clinton with this less than two weeks before the election.

Because Clinton dropped in the polls right after Comey's announcement.

Because there is an unwritten DOJ guideline about not filing cases or commenting on investigations in the 60 days before an election.

Because Giuliani knew the letter would be released a day or two prior. Were there leaks within Comey's FBI?

Because Comey's letter of retraction on Nov. 6, 2016, when it was too late to fix the damage, basically said "Oh, never mind."

Because, when all is said and done, when confronted with the possibility of having affected the election results Comey said: "That makes me feel mildly nauseous."

Because he likes to portray himself as a flawless man of principle, law and dignity.

What a piece of work.

--Anonymous
replies 55Dec 2, 2017 7:09 PM +00:00

Nothingburgers must be a Russian invention. Russians can only afford to eat nothingburgers because Putin got all their money.

--Anonymous
replies 56Dec 2, 2017 7:10 PM +00:00

If it indeed was Trump's lawyer who tweeted this apparent confession to Obstruction of Justice, based on what Trump allegedly told him, then it means that Trump's lawyer has waived attorney/client privilege by disclosing his conversations with his client, does it not? Although I am not stupid enough to believe for a moment that Trump's lawyer got a hold of his Twitter and inadvertently tweeted an admission of guilt -- Trump hires only the best people, you know.

--Anonymous
replies 57Dec 2, 2017 7:11 PM +00:00
I stuck Daddy's phone up my twat so he won't Twitter.

Stupid bitch, that's the FIRST place he'll look.

--Anonymous
replies 58Dec 2, 2017 7:12 PM +00:00

W&w for r56 & r58!

--Anonymous
replies 59Dec 2, 2017 7:13 PM +00:00

But R52, he tweeted, "I had to fire General Flynn BECAUSE [emphasis mine] he lied to the Vice President and the FBI."

--Anonymous
replies 60Dec 2, 2017 7:18 PM +00:00

How did Donald know he lied to the FBI when he fired him? And I thought Flynn resigned

--Anonymous
replies 61Dec 2, 2017 7:22 PM +00:00

R61 Trump logic defies time and space and reality and truth and everything good in the world and the human soul.

--Anonymous
replies 62Dec 2, 2017 7:25 PM +00:00

Ivanka, Huckabeast and Kelly in next season's OITNB

--Anonymous
replies 63Dec 2, 2017 7:28 PM +00:00

R55 Don't forget when he announced in July 2016 that there was no reason to charge Clinton for anything he smeared her by saying, "Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

He had no right to make such judgmental statements about Clinton. He should have said they found nothing and left it at that. To make disparaging comments was unethical and against protocol. He was expressing personal bias that affected the thinking of segments of the electorate. I despise the man, but not as much as I hate Trump and the Republican Congress.

Director Comey's statement to the press on the FBI’s investigation of Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail system during her time as Secretary of State.
Federal Bureau of Investigation
--Anonymous
replies 64Dec 2, 2017 7:41 PM +00:00

Right R64, I forgot. Also, there was an ongoing investigation of Russia's involvement in the election, but Comey kept mum about it.

--55
replies 65Dec 2, 2017 7:50 PM +00:00

And now on top of all that, he tweets cryptic self-righteous bullshit as if he's Dietrich Fucking Bonhoeffer.

--James Comey IS Kevin Lanflisi
replies 66Dec 2, 2017 7:53 PM +00:00

R60, that might be the case but because Trump was not cross-examined at the time he made his tweet, there are many ways to make this a nothingburger.

Regardless of that, the way I read the tweet is: I fired Flynn because he was a lying idiot. He lied to me and he proved himself to be a liar again by lying to the FBI.

Good luck improving otherwise.

--R52
replies 67Dec 2, 2017 7:56 PM +00:00
I fired Flynn because he was a lying idiot. He lied to me and he proved himself to be a liar again by lying to the FBI.

That's not how it reads to me at all. The way I see it he states TWO reasons for firing Flynn: lying to the VP and the FBI. Meaning at the time of firing he was aware of both.

--Anonymous
replies 68Dec 2, 2017 8:08 PM +00:00

Except when Flynn resigned, Trump repeatedly said he had done nothing wrong and was being unfairly treated by the media.

Good luck re-writing history, Boris.

--Anonymous
replies 69Dec 2, 2017 8:09 PM +00:00

Exactly

--Anonymous
replies 70Dec 2, 2017 8:09 PM +00:00

R69, you need to reread r68.

--Anonymous
replies 71Dec 2, 2017 8:11 PM +00:00

This photo never gets old:

“And then he said, “my lawyer writes my tweets!””
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 72Dec 2, 2017 8:12 PM +00:00

R71, my point is Trump has been caught lying. This tweet is not a nothingburger, despite the efforts of the Borises to make it one.

--R69
replies 73Dec 2, 2017 8:16 PM +00:00

Very cute r72.

--Anonymous
replies 74Dec 2, 2017 8:16 PM +00:00

I think that's what r68 meant too, r73.

--Anonymous
replies 75Dec 2, 2017 8:19 PM +00:00

Tomorrow's NY DAILY NEWS cover, and just when Traitor in Chief is in NY:

“The cover of tomorrow’s @NYDailyNews.”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 76Dec 2, 2017 8:20 PM +00:00

R75, R69 was in response to R67.

--Anonymous
replies 77Dec 2, 2017 8:21 PM +00:00

Oops

Nevermind

--Anonymous
replies 78Dec 2, 2017 8:22 PM +00:00

R52, your whistling, and the graveyard, just stop. He's going down. Not for this tweet alone, of course, but this tweet is another add to the big pile of evidence that your ilk insist doesn't exist cause Mueller has not yet shared with the class (the day he does, I'm calling two days off work: the first to watch the indictments and the second to recover from my celebratory drinking and gunfire).

In and of itself, this tweet probably does nothing more but spare Mueller a few hours of investigative work. In fact, I'll bet the Special Counsel can take time for a Scotch and a wank tonight.

--Anonymous
replies 79Dec 2, 2017 8:28 PM +00:00

R73, doesn't matter how often he lies. His twitter is official POTUS statements. He made a statement that he fired Flynn in part because he lied to the FBI. Now the media and especially Mueller will be very interested to learn when exactly and how exactly Trump found out Flynn had lied to the FBI.

In other words, what did the President know and when did he know it?

--Anonymous
replies 80Dec 2, 2017 8:29 PM +00:00
what did the President know and when did he know it?

That's almost as much fun as LOCK HIM UP

--The ghost of Sen. Howard Baker (Dick Cavett said I was cute)
replies 81Dec 2, 2017 8:46 PM +00:00

Trump's inspiration

Suuuure... that's it!
YouTube
--Anonymous
replies 82Dec 2, 2017 8:49 PM +00:00

Trump is a man with no conscience... There is a void in his soul so he never feels any guilt for any bad deeds. If you have to lie and lie to get away with "winning", it's not winning.

--Anonymous
replies 83Dec 2, 2017 8:55 PM +00:00

Don't be too hard R67. He's just trying to get an extra pickle and vodka for his family before the long Russian winter.

--Anonymous
replies 84Dec 2, 2017 9:04 PM +00:00
Now the media and especially Mueller will be very interested to learn when exactly and how exactly Trump found out Flynn had lied to the FBI.

And if he knew that Flynn had lied, which he appears to be claiming, why did he tell Comey to go easy on him and halt the investigation?

--Anonymous
replies 85Dec 2, 2017 9:10 PM +00:00

My understanding of Comey's Nov 6 announcement re moar emails is that the Guiliani-controlled NYC office of the FBI was ready to leak the info and Comey was trying to get ahead of the game.

The 'never admitting there was a Russian investigation' was part of the old school 'we never comment on an ongoing investigation ' rule which now seems so delightfully naive in the Trump era.

--Anonymous
replies 86Dec 2, 2017 9:24 PM +00:00
My understanding of Comey's Nov 6 announcement re moar emails is that the Guiliani-controlled NYC office of the FBI was ready to leak the info and Comey was trying to get ahead of the game.

That was never Comey's official explanation.

Also see R64. Comey had a passive-aggressive tendency to go outside of the set rules.

--Anonymous
replies 87Dec 2, 2017 9:48 PM +00:00

Something we should not forget — trump has never admitted to attempting to shut down the investigation of Flynn.

It’s his word versus Comey’s.

So his colossally idiotic tweet does not equal obstruction QED, as Tribe asserts.

--Anonymous
replies 88Dec 2, 2017 10:30 PM +00:00

um, didn't he admit it in his interview with Lester Holt?

--Anonymous
replies 89Dec 2, 2017 10:37 PM +00:00

he did

--Anonymous
replies 90Dec 2, 2017 10:50 PM +00:00

Either

Trump's got the worst lawyers evah

Or

frightened criminals make mistakes

--Anonymous
replies 91Dec 2, 2017 11:00 PM +00:00

I wonder if he sometimes looks at what he's gotten himself into and is just frightened as fuck.

--Anonymous
replies 92Dec 2, 2017 11:04 PM +00:00

I'd be frightened shitless too. Mueller plays scary hardball, justifiably. In case not posted before,

"The least-noticed sentence in Michael Flynn’s plea agreement... may also be the most important one [which] specifies that... Flynn’s cooperation “may include … participating in covert law enforcement activities” [which] likely refers to the possibility of wearing a concealed wire or recording telephone conversations...

“If the other subjects of investigation have had any conversations with Flynn during the last few months, that phrase must have all of them shaking in their boots...

“The one who must be particularly terrified is Kushner, if he spoke to the special counsel’s office without immunity [or] talked to Flynn before or after the investigators debriefed him.

"Since there was no legal requirement for Mueller to include this information about covert law enforcement activities in the plea agreement... it was put there “to put the fear of God” into anyone who may have given the special counsel answers that conflict with Flynn’s information.

"The main clue in the plea agreement about the importance of the information Flynn has already provided lies in the discrepancy between the maximum penalty... and the maximum sentence the special counsel has promised to recommend.

"Flynn could have been sentenced to as much as five years in prison and a $250,000 fine [but] the document says the “estimated sentencing guidelines” range from zero to six months, with a possible fine of between $500 and $9,500.

“No prosecutor I know would agree to reducing a sentence that dramatically unless the witness had provided very significant information about at least one other target of his investigation. .

"Experts said it was notable Flynn pleaded guilty to a criminal information instead of being indicted by a grand jury. By avoiding the use of a grand jury, Mueller had the flexibility to reach an agreement with Flynn at any time. He also increased the chances that his negotiations would remain secret until he chose to make them public."

Plea agreement includes clause showing Flynn consented to participate in ‘covert law enforcement activities” if required
the Guardian
--Anonymous
replies 93Dec 3, 2017 7:15 AM +00:00

shitty fucking liars

--Anonymous
replies 94Dec 3, 2017 7:28 AM +00:00

How could they all have been at Mar-a-Lago and Trump not be privy to Flynn making calls to Russia on behalf of the United States? Do they all revolve in separate, sound-proof orbits?:

"A Dec. 29 pool report indicates that current administration officials Stephen Miller, Kellyanne Conway, and K.T. McFarland, as well as former White House aides Steve Bannon and Reince Priebus, were all with Trump at Mar-a-Lago on the day Flynn made the call.

The filings show that multiple members of Trump's transition team knew that Flynn discussed sanctions with Kislyak after the phone conversation occurred.

Prosecutors also say that a senior member of the transition team on Dec. 22 directed Flynn to contact officials from Russia and other governments about their stance on the U.N. resolution "and to influence those governments to delay the vote or defeat the resolution."

Multiple reports have identified current White House official Jared Kushner, who is Trump's son-in-law, as that official. The special counsel's office declined to comment.

The revelations have opened up speculation about the identity of the officials who knew about and directed Flynn's Russia contacts."

Flynn is now cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.
MSN
--Anonymous
replies 95Dec 3, 2017 7:33 AM +00:00

Whatever ... Comey has grown on me.

--Anonymous
replies 96Dec 3, 2017 7:49 AM +00:00

"If it indeed was Trump's lawyer who tweeted this apparent confession to Obstruction of Justice..."

If it can be determined that both Trump and his Lawyer are lying about this tweet- what kind of trouble are they in?

--Anonymous
replies 97Dec 3, 2017 7:53 AM +00:00

Trumps history of lying has so far gotten away by being bombast or paying off. He's never faced a force of reckoning like this.

There's no one to pay off.

And the crime is one of principle, like treason or collusion, that hes never had to face in his grifter's world of real estate, gambling, or entertainment.

The problem is, the abstract principles are closing the circle on past money deals.

--Anonymous
replies 98Dec 3, 2017 7:53 AM +00:00

r96, What?

--Anonymous
replies 99Dec 3, 2017 7:56 AM +00:00

R99 see up-thread discussion of Comey

--r96
replies 100Dec 3, 2017 8:00 AM +00:00

I love the fact that Orange Turd tweets out something abysmally stupid in terms of legal jeopardy during an ongoing investigation, and the post-spin is that his attorney composed it. Yeah, RIIIGHT. Shit's getting real.

--Anonymous
replies 101Dec 3, 2017 8:01 AM +00:00

This presidency is such a shit show.

--I miss Obama
replies 102Dec 3, 2017 8:03 AM +00:00
All the tweet is saying is: "Flynn lied to me and [turned out to have lied about the same shit] to the Feds...". Big nothing burger.

Sadly I think this is right. They aren't going to base anything on a tweet. But they hopefully have more.

--Anonymous
replies 103Dec 3, 2017 8:07 AM +00:00

How so, R96? His notes about what Trump told him the last time they met may not be enough of a proof of obstruction of justice. Comey may have very well helped Trump twice.

--Anonymous
replies 104Dec 3, 2017 8:07 AM +00:00

No r103, stop trying to make the lie in that trumpkin’s reply happen. A tweet is a public statement. Trump did not say what that trumpkin claims he said. Trump tweeted that HE FIRED Flynn because he lied to Pence and to the Feds. I FIRED HIM BECAUSE HE LIED TO THE FEDS.

--Anonymous
replies 105Dec 3, 2017 8:27 AM +00:00

This is why I stopped hanging around people who voted for Trump. If they were too stupid to see what an unqualified, dangerous, morally bankrupt, mentally ill moron this man always was then we have nothing in common!

--Anonymous
replies 106Dec 3, 2017 8:33 AM +00:00

It absolutely disgusts me that Comey is trying to come off like some hero and that anyone is buying it.

--Anonymous
replies 107Dec 3, 2017 9:03 AM +00:00

One of this morning's Cheeto tweets is that he never asked Comey to stop investigating Flynn!

--Anonymous
replies 108Dec 3, 2017 9:32 AM +00:00

It appears the noose is tightening around Trump, but does anyone seriously believe that when push comes to shove, Trump will make a graceful exit?

If you do, then apparently you haven't been paying attention to Trump for the last 35-40 years.

There will be blood.

--Anonymous
replies 109Dec 3, 2017 9:55 AM +00:00

R55 You are right. Comey smears Clinton while keeping that very damaging info about Trump quiet. Creep. Trump has done so many disgusting things it's impossible to remember them all though. Some day there will be volumes filled with his lies and atrocities.

--R64
replies 110Dec 3, 2017 10:06 AM +00:00

If that tweet was a legal response, then it might be admission. If it was not meant as a legal response - just a public relations maneuver - I don't think public relations necessarily counts as legal advice for the purpose of confidentiality. If that lawyer has dual roles in his advice to trump - providing both legal advice and business (public relations) advice, that might open up an attack on lawyer/client confidentiality regarding non-legal advice.

--Speculating
replies 111Dec 3, 2017 10:17 AM +00:00
A tweet is a public statement. Trump did not say what that trumpkin claims he said. Trump tweeted that HE FIRED Flynn because he lied to Pence and to the Feds. I FIRED HIM BECAUSE HE LIED TO THE FEDS.

R105, plenty of statements are public and have little value in terms of truth. People speak inaccurately and carelessly all the time, they exaggerate, they use terms inartfully. They tweet similarly to an even greater degree.

Any cross examination regarding this tweet would elicit a fuller explanation of its alleged real meaning. No prosecutor would hang his/her case on a tweet like this. You cannot imagine how many times I have had to have a client explain what they meant by incomplete, casual, shorthand or just plain stupid remarks. Few of us speak precisely. Juries understand that. It's not a slam dunk as you want to believe. I feel you but Mueller is dealing with reality, not our wishful thinking.

--R103
replies 112Dec 3, 2017 10:29 AM +00:00

Trump doesn’t know what he’s doing.

--Anonymous
replies 113Dec 3, 2017 11:17 AM +00:00

R55, When it’s laid out like that point by point it’s enraging. A few things in your post I didn’t even know.

--Anonymous
replies 114Dec 3, 2017 11:25 AM +00:00

R55 Very informative (and infuriating). Thanks for posting.

--Anonymous
replies 115Dec 3, 2017 11:35 AM +00:00

indeed, R55, totally correct.

--Anonymous
replies 116Dec 3, 2017 12:22 PM +00:00

R98 damned brilliant sum up in few words.

--Anonymous
replies 117Dec 3, 2017 1:49 PM +00:00

Trump has reached his wax-melting-on-his-wings moment.

--Icarus
replies 118Dec 3, 2017 4:47 PM +00:00

The problem with trying Trump is that there’s probably at least one person on the jury who he can con. He’s good at that.

--Anonymous
replies 119Dec 3, 2017 4:52 PM +00:00

Jim Sciutto, CNN Chief National Security Correspondent

Comey testified before Senate Intel Cmte in June that Trump told him: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."
“Comey testified before Senate Intel Cmte in June that Trump told him: “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go." https://t.co/HWE0MPtcpr”
Twitter
--Anonymous
replies 120Dec 3, 2017 4:59 PM +00:00

If you tell the truth Mr. Trump, you don't have to have a good memory.

--Judge Judy
replies 121Dec 3, 2017 5:37 PM +00:00

Trump is a MORON.

A MORON who doesn't have the good sense to know IF and WHEN to STFU.

--Barron
replies 122Dec 3, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

Can you imagine him testifying under oath?? He'd contradict not only things he's said and written in the past, but things he said five seconds earlier in his own sworn testimony. Perjury in five seconds flat.

--Anonymous
replies 123Dec 3, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

I can’t recall.

--DJT
replies 124Dec 3, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

I left my reading glasses at home, I can’t read this. Such small print!

--DJT
replies 125Dec 3, 2017 5:52 PM +00:00

R112, his public words can absolutely form the basis of questioning under oath. And there's no getting around he's either lying now when he says he fired Flynn in part for lying to the FBI or he was lying then when he insisted Flynn didn't do anything wrong. And you can bet Mueller has a lot more than just what BS comes flying out of his mouth (or Twitter) on any given day. So Trump would not be able to explain himself in any coherent fashion. He'll just lie again.

Aside from that, I for one refuse to play along with this game of just accepting that we have to lower our expectations for the orange idiot. Presidents are not supposed to shit out of their mouths whatever they're feeling on any given day, if for no other reason than their words have far-reaching consequences. Not to mention Trump's whole deal was he supposedly tells it like it is. So yeah, the fact that his words are incomplete, casual, shorthand or just plain stupid are not acceptable. Trump cannot be trusted to give a coherent explanation of anything--that's a big fucking problem for someone who is supposed to be explaining and justifying his policies and actions to us on a regular basis.

Obama was EXCORIATED for "you can keep your doctor"--the most obvious example of someone speaking in shorthand if there ever was one. So no, Trump doesn't get to spew something that looks like obstruction of justice and then fall back on oops, I didn't mean it that way.

--Anonymous
replies 126Dec 3, 2017 6:03 PM +00:00

So, I think I’ve heard that someone else drafted the remarks that were tweeted. Trump might not have even seen it. Is that their excuse?

--Anonymous
replies 127Dec 3, 2017 6:28 PM +00:00

If Kushner tells Mueller the truth, Trump will say Jared is lying.

--Anonymous
replies 128Dec 3, 2017 6:32 PM +00:00

R127 Yeah, if you believe that you might also believe God talks to Trump. Then we can have the white racist theocracy the deplorables lust for.

--Anonymous
replies 129Dec 3, 2017 6:37 PM +00:00

No lawyer is going to draft a tweet or any sort of public release that seemingly implicates their client in a crime, which is exactly what Trump's tweet about firing Flynn for lying to the FBI does. Any decent lawyer would rather have their client say nothing rather than open their mouth and say something stupid that will get them in even more trouble. Now granted, Trump doesn't have the best lawyers, but even they should be able to see that. In fact, anybody around Trump can see how much he stepped in it with that tweet, which is why they are offering up this pathetic story that John Dowd drafted it (and what, tweeted it without Trump's knowledge? So now his lawyers have access to his account so they can tweet in his name? Yeah right). If they thought this was perfectly okay, they would not be scrambling like they are. They are just desperate at this point.

--Anonymous
replies 130Dec 3, 2017 6:39 PM +00:00

R130 They are digging deeper hole for everyone. It's a comedy of lies, especially when so many people are lying and contradicting each other.

--Anonymous
replies 131Dec 3, 2017 6:49 PM +00:00
The problem with trying Trump is that there’s probably at least one person on the jury who he can con. He’s good at that.

How? How is he good at that? He can barely form a cohesive thought. I think that his presidency has revealed that there are more fucking idiots than we ever realized populating our country. So I’m saying he isn’t good at anything except being relatable to drooling idiots.

--Anonymous
replies 132Dec 3, 2017 7:14 PM +00:00

Tuesday, the court will decide if Summer Zervos' suit will be thrown out. If not, Tweety may have to testify.

Legal strategy similarities between Paula Jones vs. Clinton and Summer Zervos vs. Trump
USA TODAY
--Anonymous
replies 133Dec 3, 2017 7:30 PM +00:00

Shades of Paula Jones vs. Wm Jefferson Clinton!

--Anonymous
replies 134Dec 4, 2017 3:37 AM +00:00

R130 What time was that tweet that Dowd supposedly sent out from Trumps account?

--Anonymous
replies 135Dec 4, 2017 5:04 AM +00:00

Keep talking, Donny, keep talking.

--Anonymous
replies 136Dec 4, 2017 5:07 AM +00:00

And yet, he continues to undo every good thing left. Determined to reverse all of Obama’s decrees. I’m so fed up. Today, he will announce that much of Utah’s national monuments will be redesignated as to mine all the minerals and what not. The Utah Repugs will be thrilled and praise the lord for it. It really is disgusting. Hurry up Mueler.

--Anonymous
replies 137Dec 4, 2017 8:52 AM +00:00

Yep, R137, Trump's gift to the despicable Orrin Hatch, who stated last week that trump is the best president he's ever had. Way to butter up a fool to further your despicable ends.

--Anonymous
replies 138Dec 4, 2017 9:36 AM +00:00

Can someone named Orrin Hatch be not despicable?

--Anonymous
replies 139Dec 4, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

All trump has to do is come up with the most outrageous lies and his deplorables will believe that over any evidence to the contrary.

--Anonymous
replies 140Dec 4, 2017 9:50 AM +00:00

He's digging his own hole, he so stupid.

--Anonymous
replies 141Dec 4, 2017 10:05 AM +00:00

R141 But so many will jump into that hole to fill it up in order to save Dear Leader. There's still many pieces to take down before the final checkmate.

--Anonymous
replies 142Dec 4, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

It's so pathetic that Trump's lawyer is taking credit for writing that tweet.

First, does that mean Trump doesn't write his own tweets?

Second, will his swarmy lawyer say and do anything to protect Trump from prosecution?

--Anonymous
replies 143Dec 4, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00

R123 on the recent Preet Bharara Podcast, Preet and his guest, another high powered lawyer, made the observation that, while Trump lies repeatedly and bombastically in public, he doesn't when testifying under oath.

Trump knows the difference and his audience.

--Anonymous
replies 144Dec 4, 2017 10:24 AM +00:00

R143 They don't do logic, just cover up one lie with another. I am surprised they haven't found an "Oliver North" to take the blame and go to jail for them.

--Anonymous
replies 145Dec 4, 2017 10:25 AM +00:00

R144 I don't know why we froth st the mouth. That's what he wants us to do. This comes natural to him. It was recognized during the campaign by Bannon I think it was. They are still guiding him.

--Anonymous
replies 146Dec 4, 2017 1:18 PM +00:00

So now Trump's lawyers are saying it's the president's right to obstruct justice. Oh, my word.

--Anonymous
replies 147Dec 4, 2017 1:32 PM +00:00

R147 I would like to see them argue that in court.

--Anonymous
replies 148Dec 4, 2017 1:34 PM +00:00

What if courts go kangaroo and agree?

--Anonymous
replies 149Dec 4, 2017 1:37 PM +00:00

R149 Then the US has an Emperor's new clothes crisis.

--Anonymous
replies 150Dec 4, 2017 1:39 PM +00:00

Nixon already tried that strategy.

--the honorable ghost of John Sirica
replies 151Dec 4, 2017 1:42 PM +00:00

R151 What makes us think it won't work this time in Roberts court post Thomas and Scalia?

--Anonymous
replies 152Dec 4, 2017 1:45 PM +00:00

If the courts fail, then the press will rise up. If the press fail, then the people will rise up. If the people fail, then this country is done. It's Civil War 2.0 time.

--Anonymous
replies 153Dec 4, 2017 1:45 PM +00:00

R153 Oh yeah? I mean, oh yes the press and people will rise. Of course.

--Oh Come All Ye Faithful
replies 154Dec 4, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00

R154 Boris, Putin needs a sponge bath.

--Anonymous
replies 155Dec 4, 2017 1:49 PM +00:00

You really aren't that bright, are you R155

--Anonymous
replies 156Dec 4, 2017 1:56 PM +00:00

R156 Brigher than you, Boris.

--Anonymous
replies 157Dec 4, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

Sit down R157. Let me spell it out for you.

The conservatives have stacked the legislature and the courts. The press is infotainment and taken over by social media. The republicans can get away with anything because there is no opposition.

--Anonymous
replies 158Dec 4, 2017 2:03 PM +00:00
Then the US has an Emperor's new clothes crisis.

I'm afraid we've had one since Jan. 20.

--Anonymous
replies 159Dec 4, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

R159 But people were still going give him a chance. Now you no longer hear that except from the most befuddled (ahem Carter). The media has essentially given up on him, and the majority of the people have too. His enablers, the deplorables and the Russian trolls are circling the wagons. Everyone else is just waiting for the catalyst to bring this shitshow down.

--Anonymous
replies 160Dec 4, 2017 2:20 PM +00:00

R160, on MSNBC, one commentator after another are no calling him a liar, fraud, con man, and so forth. John Heilemann last week used the strongest words possible. Michael Steele, a Republican, did so as well. I think they should have started much earlier, but at least they are saying it now.

--Anonymous
replies 161Dec 4, 2017 6:57 PM +00:00

not enough o get the corrupt GOP lead congress to do anything.

--Anonymous
replies 162Dec 4, 2017 7:13 PM +00:00

if you all haven't been reading Seth Abramson's Tweets, you should. He gives great point by point explanations of all events concerning the Russia probe, states what they mean, why they are important, and then does the same with DT and Co.'s statements and actions. Great way to get informed and catch up if you haven't been following along.

--Anonymous
replies 163Dec 4, 2017 8:08 PM +00:00

he's smarter than most here

--Anonymous
replies 164Dec 5, 2017 4:24 AM +00:00

45 is really the worst human being. And keeps getting more disgusting. Today, he tells Moore to ‘go get ‘em’. I mean is this what’s the normal now. Endorsing a molester is unbelievable for anyone, but for a president, I shudder to use that word, it’s despicable. I’m so fed up. Nothing is going tp change. And, I now firmly believe he’ll get 4 more years. Plus, the Supreme Court is now and forever on his side. Very disheartening.

--Anonymous
replies 165Dec 5, 2017 8:30 AM +00:00

I just read a story on Twitter that said after the Access Hollywood tapes came out, Pence went to the RNC behind Trump's back and said he would take his place.

Little back stabber! I hope Trump reads that and rolls over on him. We need someone else in Pence's seat.

Here's a long and horrifying in depth story about Pence's delusions of grandeur. Here's the pertinent part, after the Access Hollywood tape broke and the RNC thought they were doomed:

Already, Reince Priebus’s office was being flooded with panicked calls from GOP officials and donors urging the RNC chairman to get rid of Trump by whatever means necessary. One Republican senator called on the party to engage emergency protocols to nominate a new candidate. RNC lawyers huddled to explore an obscure legal mechanism by which they might force Trump off the ticket. Meanwhile, a small group of billionaires was trying to put together money for a “buyout”—even going so far as to ask a Trump associate how much money the candidate would require to walk away from the race. According to someone with knowledge of the talks, they were given an answer of $800 million. (It’s unclear whether Trump was aware of this discussion or whether the offer was actually made.) Republican donors and party leaders began buzzing about making Pence the nominee and drafting Condoleezza Rice as his running mate.

Amid the chaos, Trump convened a meeting of his top advisers in his Manhattan penthouse. He went around the room and asked each person for his damage assessment. Priebus bluntly told Trump he could either drop out immediately or lose in a historic landslide. According to someone who was present, Priebus added that Pence and Rice were “ready to step in.” (An aide to the vice president denied that Pence sent Trump a letter and that he ever talked with the RNC about becoming the nominee. Priebus did not respond to requests for comment.)

The furtive plotting, several sources told me, was not just an act of political opportunism for Pence. He was genuinely shocked by the Access Hollywood tape. In the short time they’d known each other, Trump had made an effort to convince Pence that—beneath all the made-for-TV bluster and bravado—he was a good-hearted man with faith in God. On the night of the vice-presidential debate, for example, Trump had left a voicemail letting Pence know that he’d just said a prayer for him. The couple was appalled by the video, however. Karen in particular was “disgusted,” says a former campaign aide. “She finds him reprehensible—just totally vile.”

Yet Pence might also have thought he glimpsed something divine in that moment of political upheaval—a parting of the seas, God’s hand reaching down to make his will known. Marc Short told me that in moments of need, Pence turns to a favorite passage in Jeremiah: “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” Short said, “Mike believes strongly in the sovereignty of God, and knowing that the Lord has a plan for him.”

Whatever God had planned for Mike Pence, however, it was not to make him the from party leaders. “They thought they were going to be able to get him to drop out before the second debate,” said a former campaign aide. “Little did they know, he has no shame.” Indeed, two days after the tape was released, Trump showed up in St. Louis for the debate with a group of Bill Clinton accusers in tow, ranting about how Hillary’s husband had done things to women that were far worse than his own “locker-room talk.” The whole thing was a circus—and it worked. By the time Trump left St. Louis, he had, in pundit-speak, “stopped the bleeding,” and by the next day, Pence was back on the stump. The campaign stabilized. The race tightened. And on the night of November 8, 2016, Pence found himself standing on a ballroom stage in Midtown Manhattan—silently, obediently, servant-leaderly—while Trump delivered the unlikeliest of victory speeches.

www.theatlantic.com
--Anonymous
replies 166Dec 5, 2017 8:43 AM +00:00

Rumored that Trump would replace Pence with Rubio.

--Anonymous
replies 167Dec 5, 2017 8:47 AM +00:00

R167 Replace a shit with a turd... brilliant.

--Anonymous
replies 168Dec 5, 2017 9:47 AM +00:00

Just take him down already.

--Anonymous
replies 169Dec 5, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

The Big Turd and Lil' Marco Show?

--Anonymous
replies 170Dec 5, 2017 5:18 PM +00:00

All should hang

--Anonymous
replies 171Dec 6, 2017 5:25 PM +00:00

I am betting Trump resigns mid-January for medical reasons.

--Calling Ides of January!
replies 172Dec 8, 2017 2:14 PM +00:00

He needs to choke on a big mac

--Anonymous
replies 173Dec 9, 2017 3:48 AM +00:00