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Judi Dench vs. Maggie Smith

Which one of these Dames is more talented?

replies 175Dec 1, 2017 3:45 PM +00:00

I'm a big fan of Judi's, although I certainly enjoy Maggie.

Programme website: Tracey Ullman plays a very naughty version of national treasure - Dame Judi Dench.
replies 1Dec 1, 2017 4:01 PM +00:00

They've both reached the age where just play their public personae.

replies 2Dec 1, 2017 4:20 PM +00:00

Judi. She did musicals, comedy, drama, Shakespeare, the legitimate theater, tv and movies.

Although Maggie ain't half bad.

replies 3Dec 1, 2017 4:22 PM +00:00

Tracey Ullman

replies 4Dec 1, 2017 4:41 PM +00:00

Glenda Jackson is more talented than the pair of them combined.

Business As Usual Trailer 1987 Director: Lezli-An Barrett Starring: Cathy Tyson, Eamon Boland, Glenda Jackson, James Hazeldine, John Thaw, Mark McGann Offici...
replies 5Dec 1, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00

I think the current celebration of Dench is kinda late because she was shunned by the movie industry for 30 years.

Maggie Smith has done some great roles but critics complain that too much of her schtick was lifted from this ghastly self-hating queen—

Kenny & Maggie. Kindred spirits? Soul mates? :-)
replies 6Dec 1, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00


Programme website: Dame Maggie Smith reveals the contents of her handbag.
replies 7Dec 1, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00

Maggie by a hair, but I love them both.

replies 8Dec 1, 2017 4:43 PM +00:00


Critics can say Maggie was out of her depth in non-comic roles but Glenda Jackson was incapable of ANY comic roles.

replies 9Dec 1, 2017 4:44 PM +00:00

Maggie has a wonky eye.

replies 10Dec 1, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

r9, that's crap! Glenda has an amazing sense of humour.

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replies 11Dec 1, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

R10 Miss Smith DBE has Graves Disease, some cancer, a broken heart and myopia. Miss Dench DBE has Macular Degeneration, Stage 2 Dementia and Virtue Signaller's Disease,

replies 12Dec 1, 2017 4:52 PM +00:00

I don't think you can say one is better than the other. They're both great Dames.

replies 13Dec 1, 2017 4:53 PM +00:00

r12, and Glenda Jackson has come back to acting. Perfect time for it, now her rivals are dropping off LOL And Glenda turned down a Damehood because she's anti-monarchy.

Glenda Jackson is the Oscar winning actress who became a Labour politician: now after a quarter of a century away, she’s returned to the stage at the age of ...
replies 14Dec 1, 2017 4:54 PM +00:00

R12 Unfortunately she's ANTI-everything... which is not a good sign for anyone who wants to be employed.

replies 15Dec 1, 2017 4:55 PM +00:00

Patricia Routledge

Imagine what her Mrs. Lovett would have been like if she had accepted the role.

patricia routledge sings in the beggar's opera
replies 16Dec 1, 2017 4:56 PM +00:00

Glenda, Judi and Maggie last year

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replies 17Dec 1, 2017 4:58 PM +00:00

Mon dieu, Catherine du Valois-

Judi Dench birthed the Tudor Dynasty
replies 18Dec 1, 2017 5:04 PM +00:00

R17 I wonder if they hate each other 'behind the mask'?

Maggie Smith was quite bitchy about "Lord Kingsley or whatever he calls himself nowadays"

replies 19Dec 1, 2017 5:05 PM +00:00

Judi didn't even have a film career before Glenda retired from acting... watch this clip and laugh your ass off:

Australian TV, 1995
replies 20Dec 1, 2017 5:07 PM +00:00

Maggie and JUDI are great friends. I was surprised JUDI did not appear in either Harry potter or downton abbey. Both great but Maggie has the edge...see the prime of miss Jean Brodie. All wanna be actors should watch Maggie and Scalia's scenes. Possibly the best acting ever on film.

Meryl not so much, overrated...had a fawm in Africa

--Team Maggie
replies 21Dec 1, 2017 5:22 PM +00:00

Yes, Maggie and Celia!

Offsite Link
replies 22Dec 1, 2017 5:28 PM +00:00

Definitely Maggie Smith. Smith doesn't have to play the same character twice to try and get it right.

Plus Judi Dench has hideous feet. I saw her in sandals once and I had to cancel lunch.

replies 23Dec 1, 2017 5:50 PM +00:00

Equal divinities in the firmament.

replies 24Dec 1, 2017 5:52 PM +00:00

....and for the poster upthread, Glenda Jackson won her second Oscar for a comedic role, you dolt.

replies 25Dec 1, 2017 5:52 PM +00:00

Much as I her enjoy her R23 Maggie does plays the same character more than twice. Tea with Mussolini, Gosford Park, Downton Abbey are very slight variations on the same brittle, snobbish old bag she has specialized in for the past couple of decades, even the Lady in the Van was Lady Violet on welfare. Judi is definitely more versatile, it's easy to imagine her playing any of Maggie's roles but not vice versa.

replies 26Dec 1, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

Here's Smith giving an Oscar and Tony caliber performance in one of my faves of hers Bed Among the Lentils. 49 minutes of Just MAGGIE BEING BRILLIANT straight into the camera. (I love the Talking Heads series, especially Hand of God with Eileen Atkins). And everyone should see The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearn where Smith gives the performance of her career, which is saying a lot, but unfortunately it's hard to find.

I just saw Dench in Murder on Orient Express, and was disappointed by her performance. Wendy Hiller was delicious in the same role in 1974.

Complete Film
replies 27Dec 1, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

Maggie! Mother Superior FTW!
replies 28Dec 1, 2017 6:20 PM +00:00

Vanessa Redgrave and Glenda Jackson wipe the floor with both of them.

replies 29Dec 1, 2017 6:28 PM +00:00

See "Victoria and Abdul" and it may sway your vote. Especially the early scenes showing Dame Judi as Victoria eating. She's outstanding. She's definitely getting a nomination.

replies 30Dec 1, 2017 6:30 PM +00:00
one of my faves of hers Bed Among the Lentils. 49 minutes of Just MAGGIE BEING BRILLIANT straight into the camera. (I love the Talking Heads series, especially Hand of God with Eileen Atkins).

Ah, a kindred spirit! I've watched "Bed Among the Lentils" at least 50 or 60 times, and still find it mesmerizing. And, like you, I'm also fond of "Hand of God." Also, the three monologues with Patricia Routledge are lifelong favorites. (There's a lot more to her than "the Bucket woman.")

But, back on topic, my vote is for Maggie Smith - largely because of her brilliance in "Bed Among the Lentils."

replies 31Dec 1, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

You're complaining R26 about Maggie playing the same character.

You're probably right but that's because writers and authors love her playing Lady Bracknell.

A Handbag ?! The Importance of Being Earnest
--I don't need to tell you who Lady Bracknell is.
replies 32Dec 2, 2017 3:48 PM +00:00

To play Lady Bracknell once R32 could be described as employment to play her several times looks like laziness... I saw her actual Lady Bracknell in London and surprisingly she wasn't very memorable ( Maggie that is not Edith...I'm not quite that old ).

replies 33Dec 2, 2017 3:56 PM +00:00
Judi didn't even have a film career before Glenda retired from acting

Check out this wonderful gem from 1965.

replies 34Dec 2, 2017 4:17 PM +00:00

Judi was quite beautiful when she was younger.

from He Who Rides A Tiger
replies 35Dec 2, 2017 5:27 PM +00:00
replies 36Dec 2, 2017 5:28 PM +00:00

^ She is wearing her Clapham version of 'Cleopatra' mascara in that scene.

--Irene Sharaff
replies 37Dec 2, 2017 5:30 PM +00:00

for some reason she wore these dreadful haircuts.
replies 38Dec 2, 2017 5:31 PM +00:00

Judi. NO!
replies 39Dec 2, 2017 5:32 PM +00:00

She has to wear very short hair because of her UN-photogenic little face.

The mid-60s was the peak years of Swinging London of Op-Art, Courrèges and Mary Quant.

Have you seen the outrageously camp 'Modesty Blaise'?

--England Swings like a pendulum doo.
replies 40Dec 2, 2017 5:44 PM +00:00

^ André Courrèges wanted to reduce the human body down to pieces of geometry. And poor Judi Dench couldn't compete because her waist size was 24 inches and her legs were 24 inches.
--Mary Quant
replies 41Dec 3, 2017 2:53 PM +00:00

Smith has always been very mannered the quality of her performances varies based on how much she leans on what she finds easy. When it comes to playing a certain kind of witty, caustic upper class snob, she's pretty peerless, but I've always preferred her in roles that require her to strip away some of the stylistic artifice that she does so well (BED AMONG THE LENTILS, LONELY PASSION OF JUDITH HEARNE, LOVE AND PAIN AND THE WHOLE DAMN THING).

Dench is a no-nonsense actress who I think has more range than Smith.

Jackson is another who can be very mannered (her performances in HEDDA and THE MAGNIFICENT SARAH are barely a step away from a drag queen), but when she's on all cylinders or plays quieter roles, she is superb. She is a truly unsentimental actress, which is a great quality. I think she and Judy Davis are similar in that regard.

replies 42Dec 3, 2017 3:09 PM +00:00

R42 How do you gauge if a movie actress is "unsentimental"?

Movie actors and actresses are 'shadows'. We are watching a human being impersonating another human being, reading someone else's lines. Their image is cut and positioned by others.

I don't feel qualified to judge any actor or actress unless I have seen them "naked" on stage or in real life over a number of years.

I've only seen Dench on stage once.

--Bosley crowther
replies 43Dec 3, 2017 3:16 PM +00:00

I absolutely love her in Stevie r42.

--and Miss Washbourne of course!
replies 44Dec 3, 2017 3:17 PM +00:00

I did a musical r3....ON BROADWAY!
--Dame Maggs
replies 45Dec 3, 2017 3:19 PM +00:00

Dear "Dame Maggs" R45 I don't think that was a musical. More of a cabaret revue.

--Dame Judi
replies 46Dec 3, 2017 3:23 PM +00:00

"How do you gauge if a movie actress is "unsentimental"?"

Generally by how they approach a role where the actress could easily pull at the heartstrings. Jackson did a film called RETURN OF THE SOLDIER where he played a truly good person (which is really hard to do and make interesting), and she did it by stripping the character of any sentimentality and, as a result, was all the more moving for having done so.

replies 47Dec 3, 2017 3:30 PM +00:00

Dear R47 I cannot agree. A movie actress does what the director tells them to do.

Movie actresses are puppets in the hand of their movie director. A Trilby in the hands of a Svengali.

Glenda Jackson often played hard and unsentimental characters on screen but I hear she definitely wept and got shriekingly sentimental when in the British parliament.

--Bosley Crowther
replies 48Dec 3, 2017 3:37 PM +00:00

Who would Bette vote for?
replies 49Dec 3, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00

Did Maggie have a daughter that burnt her Hampstead house down? That would be a no!

--Judi Dench
replies 50Dec 3, 2017 3:58 PM +00:00

r49: The only thing Bette Davis and Joan Crawford had in common was their admiration for Glenda Jackson.
replies 51Dec 3, 2017 3:59 PM +00:00

R49 Bette Davis didn't act, she misbehaved!

She was hopeless without me to keep her misbehaviour in check.

--William Wyler
replies 52Dec 3, 2017 4:01 PM +00:00

Glenda Jackson and her posse. Bow down bitches!
replies 53Dec 3, 2017 4:02 PM +00:00
Glenda Jackson and her posse. Bow down bitches!

With all of Glenda's money, you'd think she'd buy a better outfit than a plaid picnic blanket.

replies 54Dec 3, 2017 4:04 PM +00:00

R53 That trio, surely, are playing 'The Three Witches of Macbeth'!

--Dame Maggie
replies 55Dec 3, 2017 4:06 PM +00:00

R54 I don't know how much money Glenda has. I know she has a sad inner life.

She was an employee of the British Labour Party for 20 years but her son (Dan Hodges) used to work for the party too but he's become progressively angry at the party's duplicity and ineptitude and has turned against them.
--Tom Hollander
replies 56Dec 3, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

r56, apparently Glenda lives in her son's basement.

replies 57Dec 3, 2017 4:20 PM +00:00


“Legends Icons Myths: Glenda Jackson and Cate Blanchett”
replies 58Dec 3, 2017 5:14 PM +00:00


Is Glenda as short as Pygmy-Dench?

--Armie Hammer
replies 59Dec 3, 2017 5:24 PM +00:00

Toss up. I adore Maggie Smith. She has an uncanny ability to steal every scene. Her snobs always have a touch of humanity to them. However, I can't see her doing what Judi pulled off in Notes on a Scandal.

replies 60Dec 3, 2017 8:51 PM +00:00

You can't have a gay card till you have watched The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Superlative acting. Plus a butch dyke gym teacher!

--Sandy Strange
replies 61Dec 6, 2017 4:19 PM +00:00

Thanks to those above who brought up Bed Among the Lentils. Smith's performance is absolutely hypnotic, wrenching and yet she lands every laugh (even some that aren't in Bennett's text). I SO wish Talking Heads, surely Bennett's masterpiece, was available in the US on DVD; it is in the UK. Why can't we have nice things, too?

--Mrs. Vicar
replies 62Dec 6, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00
You can't have a gay card till you have watched The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Superlative acting. Plus a butch dyke gym teacher!

Oh, darling, I did the lez thing so much better in The Shipping News. You better get your copy before they are all removed from the shelves as Mr. Kevin Spacey has a starring role in it.

--Dame Judi
replies 63Dec 6, 2017 5:09 PM +00:00

Cate presents Glenda:

Veteran actress and former London MP Glenda Jackson wins this year's Best Actress award for her role as King Lear.
replies 64Dec 6, 2017 5:10 PM +00:00
I SO wish Talking Heads, surely Bennett's masterpiece, was available in the US on DVD; it is in the UK. Why can't we have nice things, too?

If there are other Region 2 PAL DVDs you're interested in (or, perhaps, even if that's the only one), it might be worth looking into a multi-region player. There were a few things I wanted, including "Talking Heads," that made the purchase worthwhile. I bought the Samsung E360. It's a very basic, no-frills unit, but adequate for the few "foreign" discs I've bought.

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replies 65Dec 6, 2017 5:26 PM +00:00

That fabulous scene in The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie which pits Maggie Smith against Pamela Franklin was beyond brilliant. I think Franklin bested Maggie in that scene BUT Maggie did a great job overall. She did a wonderful job of playing a woefully misguided idealist whose morals or lack of them ended up in a school girl's death.

Maggie Smith in her stunning 1969 Academy Award Winning performance as Jean Brodie.
--Ms Brodie's Prime Passes Thanks to Sandy
replies 66Dec 6, 2017 5:44 PM +00:00

Judi Dench has more range.

replies 67Dec 6, 2017 5:45 PM +00:00

Glenda in Elizabeth R is one of the greatest achievements in acting. Period.

replies 68Dec 6, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

Judi and Maggie will be joined by Eileen and Joan for a Dame smackdown in a BBC documentary..... Glenda is too busy winning awards for proper acting.

Judi Dench, Maggie Smith, Joan Plowright and Eileen Atkins are to be the subject of a new documentary film on the BBC. Directed by Roger Michell, the film
The Stage
replies 69Dec 6, 2017 5:59 PM +00:00

Pamela retired from acting at a young age, a shame as she is brilliant. Celia Johnston's Miss McKay channels the wicked witch of the west, and also is beyond brilliant. The scene with Miss Brodie, Miss McKay, and Mr. Lowther may be the best acting ever filmed. This is a film that you pick up something yoh missed on repeated viewings. Remember the toady Miss Gaunt? The swashbuckling art teacher? The Lesbianish dance between Sandy and Monica at Sandy's? And the incomparable Mary McGregor?

--Miss Lockhart, I leave her to her jars and bottles
replies 70Dec 6, 2017 6:20 PM +00:00

Assassin! ASSASSIN!!!

--Drama Queen! DRAMA QUEEN!!!!
replies 71Dec 6, 2017 6:30 PM +00:00

Like comparing apples and oranges...

replies 72Dec 6, 2017 6:36 PM +00:00

R72, more like lemons and limes.

replies 73Dec 6, 2017 6:38 PM +00:00

Yes, R 73 and Maggie is the more tart of the two.

--And Maggie is also the 'crème de la crème'
replies 74Dec 6, 2017 6:41 PM +00:00

I was on the receiving end of Dame Maggie's withering glance circa 1973.

--I don't think I ever fully recovered
replies 75Dec 6, 2017 6:48 PM +00:00

Details please, R75.

replies 76Dec 7, 2017 2:33 PM +00:00

R70 Pamela became typecast( to a certain degree) in horror films doing things like The Legend Of Hell House. She also did guest TV appearances as well. She did the best that she could but never reached the lofty acting heights she deserved at one point.

Check out this intense clip from The Legend Of Hell House. You can grab the new blu-ray at: It sits her...
--Hell House WIth DL Legend, Empress Roddy McDowall
replies 77Dec 7, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

I think Pamela and her family own a bookshop in West Hollywood.

I can remember my 12 year old jaw dropped when Pamela Franklin appeared casually nude in Jean Brodie. She said it was the last thing they filmed, so that she would be 18 when they filmed it (she was 17 when they started filming).

replies 78Dec 7, 2017 8:55 PM +00:00

Wasn't that such a hot scene with Pam being nude? She looked very attractive even afterwards when she only wore a sweater and was still sexy!

Pam's husband(Harvey Jason, a character actor who has done tons of film and TV) and their son, Louis Jason, own Mystery Pier Books in West Hollywood. A very boutique book shop, they sell mostly first editions.

Mystery Pier Books was on Eye On LA
--Mystery Piers Books: Harvey Jason Looks Good For Someone Close To 80
replies 79Dec 8, 2017 11:57 AM +00:00

That's interesting, R78.

I think actors can be nude in European films when they are under 18 if they get permission from the parents.

Leonard Whiting was only 17 and Olivia Hussey was only 15 when they appeared nude in Zeffirelli's 1968 "Romeo & Juliet".

replies 80Dec 8, 2017 11:58 AM +00:00

I had the privilege of meeting Dame Maggie in N.Y.. I have never met a classier or more gracious person, she asked my name and what I did and where I lived, totally without ego. I have met many nice actresses...Joan Rivers, Joan Bennett, Julie Andrews, Rikki Lake, June Lockhart, Angela Lansbury, Delta Burke to name a few. Nobody was as nice as Dame Maggie was to me. And I met Linda Levin, who was utterly charming.

--Theatre Queen
replies 81Dec 8, 2017 9:11 PM +00:00

Saw them both in David Hare’s “The Breath of Life” in the West End. Not a great play but it was very entertaining to watch the two of them spar.

replies 82Dec 9, 2017 4:25 AM +00:00

Judi likes trees and champagne.

Dame Judi Dench has created a wood in her back garden by planting trees in remembrance of friends, relatives and actors who have died, she discloses in a new documentary.
The Telegraph
replies 83Dec 9, 2017 4:28 AM +00:00

Dear Theatre Queen R81. I envy you meeting Dame Maggie.

Was she promoting a play? How tall was she compared to you.

--Green With Envy
replies 84Dec 9, 2017 3:48 PM +00:00

R84, I am 6 foot three inches, 175 lbs., so she seemed petite, maybe slightly shorter than the average woman. She was in N.Y. doing "Lettice and Lovage" with Margaret Tyzack. She seemed totally down to earth. Also, I meant Linda Levin, who, contrary to what some say on here, was also very nice.

--Theatre queen
replies 85Dec 9, 2017 5:22 PM +00:00


You're lucky. I understand that's the last regular production she has been in.

Since then she has only done the monologue "Bed Among The lentils" on stage.

--Green With Envy
replies 86Dec 9, 2017 5:25 PM +00:00

I think it's very important to note that Maggie gave us Toby Stephens.

Found on Google from
--AKA the poor man's Damian Lewis
replies 87Dec 9, 2017 5:26 PM +00:00

Toby is lovely as was his father Robert before he drank too much. But Maggiecappeared in the West End in Three Tall Women and Lady in the Van. Lady also a movie, maybe 2015.

replies 88Dec 9, 2017 5:31 PM +00:00

Does Toby take after Maggie of Robert? I can't quite decide.

He has Maggie's reddishness but that Robert Stephens was such a queer fish as well as an alcoholic

replies 89Dec 9, 2017 5:32 PM +00:00

Jackson looks like Ian McKellan's twin in that clip in R64's link.

replies 90Dec 18, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

R38. Oh dear. It's like the kind of haircut they gave you when they used to shut you up in an asylum : (

replies 91Dec 18, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

R91 Glenda had made her name in two 1960s films set in asylums

--'Marat/Sade' and 'The Music Lovers'
replies 92Dec 18, 2017 7:02 PM +00:00

Happy 83rd birthday to the beautiful Maggie Smith!
replies 93Dec 28, 2017 6:09 AM +00:00


One woman's mistake is another's opportunity in this stylish, suspenseful thriller that binds two women together by the secrets that they share.
replies 94Dec 28, 2017 6:33 AM +00:00

Dame Judi, but I love them both.

replies 95Dec 28, 2017 6:40 AM +00:00

Judi has more "range", but Maggie has more fire and her timing is unbeatable.

So Maggie.

replies 96Dec 28, 2017 7:02 AM +00:00

Maggie was magnificent in Lettice and Lovage. One of my more memorable theatergoing experiences.

I was surprised I liked the play being that I find Equus and Amadeus execrable.

replies 97Dec 28, 2017 11:36 AM +00:00

97 Lettice and Lovage was designed as entertainment

Equus and Amadeus were designed to be 'profound'

replies 98Dec 28, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00

I was surprised to see that J was actually quite pretty when young....who knew?
replies 99Dec 28, 2017 11:43 AM +00:00

R99 may look quite pretty but her director said she looked like a pigmy.

She is as tall as my waist.

replies 100Dec 28, 2017 11:52 AM +00:00

So I look on you tube because of this thread to find Franklin's nude scene.

Very nice.

And probably an untrimmed lovely bushy bush because people had normal views of the human body back then without the neurotic issues of today.

--100% gay man but I know a nice body. And hate freezer burn genitalia.
replies 101Dec 28, 2017 12:08 PM +00:00

Maggie Smith gives one of her very best performances in "The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearne" as an alcoholic Catholic who loses her faith. No mannerisms, a devastating piece of acting.

replies 102Dec 28, 2017 12:08 PM +00:00

I love Maggie for her role as Dora Charleston in Murder By Death.

replies 103Dec 28, 2017 12:22 PM +00:00

Dame Judi is absolutely fantastic in Philomena Sad story but told so well
replies 104Dec 28, 2017 12:44 PM +00:00
R100 She may look quite pretty, but her director said she looked like a pigmy. She is as tall as my waist.

Now, Maggie....
replies 105Dec 28, 2017 12:49 PM +00:00
R102 Maggie Smith gives one of her very best performances in "The Lonely Passion of Judith Hearne" as an alcoholic Catholic who loses her faith. No mannerisms, a devastating piece of acting.

Such a good film...the book by Briane Moore is equally fine, though also utterly, utterly depressing.

If you liked JUDITH HEARNE, you might look at his novel I AM MARY DUNNE (1965)

“Available on DVD through” Timid and self-deprecating, Judith Hearne (Oscar winner® Dame Maggie Smith in a BAFTA Award winning perform...
replies 106Dec 28, 2017 12:55 PM +00:00

For Christ's sake, it's not a competition. Or a zero sum game. We love them both!

replies 107Dec 28, 2017 12:55 PM +00:00

^ You say we love them both!

But Dench was a nobody from 1965 to 1993. Maggie was a movie star consistently from 1958

--I would very much like to see their net worth in cash and assets
replies 108Dec 28, 2017 12:59 PM +00:00
R107 For Christ's sake, it's not a competition. Or a zero sum game. We love them both!

Judi, losing....
replies 109Dec 28, 2017 1:03 PM +00:00
But Dench was a nobody from 1965 to 1993. Maggie was a movie star consistently from 1958

Judi starred in two tv shows that were built around her (one which has been consistently repeated on PBS for years). Mags got a secondary role on Downton Abbey and didn't even get top billing or "also starring" credit. Heck, American actress Elizabeth McGovern was billed ahead of her.

--Elaine Stritch's successful Britcom
replies 110Dec 28, 2017 1:11 PM +00:00

Judi starred in two successful tv shows that were built around her (one has been playing on PBS for years). Mags had a secondary role on Downton Abbey and didn't even get star billing. An American actress was billed before her.

--Elaine Stritch's successful Britcom
replies 111Dec 28, 2017 1:14 PM +00:00

Vanessa Redgrave
replies 112Dec 28, 2017 1:29 PM +00:00

I met Dame Maggie in New York during L and L. She is warm, sweet, modest, and down to earth. Lettice is theatre at its best. Keep your trashy Wicked and Hamilton, strictly for the great unwashed. Also saw Dame Maggie at Stratford Shakespeare Festival.

--Thee at uh queen
replies 113Dec 28, 2017 1:30 PM +00:00

Dame Judi
replies 114Dec 28, 2017 1:31 PM +00:00

I love Maggie in Death on the Nile as Miss Bowers. 'Come along its time for your massage'

It's been my experience that men are least attracted to women who treat them well'

replies 115Dec 28, 2017 1:34 PM +00:00

^ No, that isn't the real Dame Judi.

That is Judy wearing a very unflattering wig that she would NEVER wear in real life.

I think that picture is 'Philomena' who a basically an uneducated Irish simpleton who believes in the Catholic Church. Actors and actresses are willing to make themselves ugly for an Oscar winning role.

--Bosley C.
replies 116Dec 28, 2017 1:34 PM +00:00

R116 Actors and actresses are willing to make themselves ugly for an Oscar winning role.

Charlize Theron and Dicaprio went "ugly" to win an Oscar

replies 117Dec 28, 2017 1:38 PM +00:00

Meryl Streep went ugly for all her Oscar wins. In fact, she went ugly for all her roles.

--Glenn C.
replies 118Dec 28, 2017 1:44 PM +00:00

My favorite Maggie Smith interview...

Programme website: Dame Maggie Smith discusses being recognised by Harry Potter and Downton Abbey fans.
replies 119Dec 28, 2017 2:45 PM +00:00
R118 Meryl Streep went ugly for all her Oscar wins.

Oh yes. She's just infamously hideous in Kramer vs. Kramer
replies 120Dec 28, 2017 2:53 PM +00:00

And Sophie's Choice.... a gargoyle.
replies 121Dec 28, 2017 2:55 PM +00:00

Anybody know why Brett and Smith disliked each other so much? He was friends with Stephens.

replies 122Dec 28, 2017 3:18 PM +00:00

R122 Did Brett and Smith have a feud?

I guess Jeremy and Robert Stephens competed for the same roles. They both played Sherlock Holmes.

replies 123Dec 28, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

You're right R121. Sophie was a gargoyle when photographed on the right side of their face and then sweetness when photographed on the left side of their face.

You could tell the mood of each scene by the camera position. Sweet in one scene; demented in the next

That's when Streep became predictable. Tick...Tick...Tick...

And yes Bosley R116 Actors and actresses are willing to make themselves ugly for an Oscar winning role.

And they're prepared to be blind (Jane Wyman, Anne Bancroft), crippled (Day-Lewis), alcoholic (Ray Milland), split-personality neurotic Ronnie Colman and Joanne Woodward), armless (Harold Rusell, and .... OMG... I have just Googled and 59 actors have pretended to be "physically challenged".

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R124 That's when Streep became predictable. Tick...Tick...Tick...

It's not like Streep is my favorite-most actress in the world...but was Katharine Hepburn ever anything LESS than predictable?

She became a mannered charicature in her very first film...
replies 125Dec 28, 2017 8:41 PM +00:00

I’m not a huge Streep fan - her best performances in the past 20 years are in THE HOURS and PRADA - but Katharine Hepburn was outperformed by the far more abrasive and less “classy” Barbara Stanwyck and Bette Davis. She was also an overrated screwball comedienne - give me Jean Arthur or Myrna Loy any day. Or again, Stanwyck.

replies 126Dec 28, 2017 8:49 PM +00:00

She was also something of an arrogant twat. Look at her yelling at everyone off camera HERE until she gets her way.

Talk about "tick tick tick"....that jaunty, I'm-so-casual schtick with the leg propped up stance she clung to was so calculated and phony.

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Is that four letter word you used appropriate for Hepburn R127?

She was not fecund.

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R128 Is that four letter word you used appropriate for Hepburn?

She was every G-DAMN 4 LETTER WORD in the BOOK! (No, just kidding. I admire her, but she also comes off as incredibly arrogant off screen.)

Was it ever established if she bisexual, or actually full-on lez?

replies 129Dec 29, 2017 6:33 PM +00:00

R1, I had forgotten what a huge talent Tracey Ullman was. I happened to catch the show when it was on and couldn't get over how incredible her impressions were. Simply brilliant.

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They have both whittled their performances down to oh-so-posh-dowager mannerisms and intimidating stares, but Maggie Smith is much better at it. I cannot stand Dench.

replies 131Dec 29, 2017 6:46 PM +00:00

R129 I don't wish to be rude but I get the impression that Hepburn was so in love with her family, her heritage and her own good sense that she didn't have any love left to give to anyone else. The Wikipedia account of her marriage sounds rather lame.

And that's OK by me because I've been celibate for more than a decade.

--(I am in my middle years)
replies 132Dec 29, 2017 7:29 PM +00:00

R132 Well, there's the book by that former rentboy from the Golden Age who says he fixed Hepburn up with hundreds of women over the decades. And he said the whole thing with Spencer Tracy (who was also bi) was more of a charade than anything truly erotic.

replies 133Dec 29, 2017 7:38 PM +00:00

Hepburn had enormous range. Little Women, Alice Adams, Stage Door, Summertime, Suddenly Last Summer, Long Days Journey into Night, Lion in Winter.

And she regularly returned to the stage when she didn't have to simply for the challenge and the joy of it. What more do you want? Who could come close to that today?

She even admitted to being totally in love with herself and not going to the Oscars for fear of losing rather than she was above them.

You want the 'Oh why didn't you ask Andrea Leeds?' act?

replies 134Dec 30, 2017 7:04 AM +00:00

Dame KST

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Barbara Stanwyck, Bette Davis(with William Wyler) Jean Arthur and Myrna Loy.

You don't have to choose. They were all terrific and made terrific films as well.

We can enjoy all of them. And unlike today the studio system gave them the best support to show them off to the their best advantage. Unlike today where everything seems to be done on the fly.

I know Mamma Mia made a gazillion dollars but did anybody worth knowing actually enjoy it?

replies 136Dec 30, 2017 7:18 AM +00:00

I find Joan Crawford and Barbara Stanwyck dreary in most films. As limited as Hepburn may have been, she had more charisma than either of them. Plus many of her performances from the 40s onwards hold up better than their melodramatic histrionics.

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"I know you! Selfish and vain: you think you have a divine right! You don't belong in the world, you belong HERE! YOU BIG BABY!"

Marley is leaving for Switzerland (some of Anne Heche's last scenes as Marley). Originally aired June 10, 1991.
replies 139Dec 30, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00

^ What is that trash R139 doing in Dame Maggie Smith's thread!

That Heche woman is trash! And she's got a Voldermoort nose!

replies 140Dec 30, 2017 2:43 PM +00:00

The future Dames

Dame Emily Watson, Dame Samantha Morton, Dame Olivia Colman
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Hepburn had enormous range.

Then why did she play every part the same?

replies 142Dec 30, 2017 6:31 PM +00:00
Hepburn had enormous range...

...playing frigid, sexless, patrician women.

--The Calla Lillies are in bloom again
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Joe, Alice, Mrs Venable and Eleanor.

Yep all exactly the same parts.

replies 144Dec 30, 2017 10:29 PM +00:00

"Hepburn had enormous range"

She ran the gamut of emotions from "a" to "b"

--Dorothy Parker
replies 145Dec 30, 2017 10:47 PM +00:00

Kate was fascinating

replies 146Dec 30, 2017 11:00 PM +00:00

^ I definitely agree (though I do think Eleanor of Aquitaine and Queen Hecuba were beyond her range)

She was thrilling in this—

Theatrical Trailer for 'Suddenly, Last Summer', starring Montgomery Clift, Elizabeth Taylor & Katherine Hepburn
replies 147Dec 30, 2017 11:09 PM +00:00

This thread is getting a bit off topic.

Maggie replaced Kate in that rather lame "Travels with My Aunt" in 72.

And Maggie repeated Kate's role in the cheap TV version on "Suddenly Last Summer" in 93.

replies 148Dec 31, 2017 12:20 AM +00:00
R148 Maggie replaced Kate in that rather lame "Travels with My Aunt" in 72. And Maggie repeated Kate's role in the cheap TV version on "Suddenly Last Summer" in 93.

But Maggie never replaced the Great Kate as Hollywood's Reigning Muff Diving Champ.

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No contest.

replies 150Dec 31, 2017 12:51 AM +00:00

^ You say 'No Contest' but Mirren was the head 'Downstairs' in 'Gosford Park' and Maggie Smith was lording it over the 'Upstairs'.

replies 151Dec 31, 2017 11:44 AM +00:00

Hepburn stone cold sober found herself absolutely fascinating.

I find her absolutely fascinating as well.

How can you truly love another person when you're so in love with yourself?

But it sure beats self loathing.

replies 152Dec 31, 2017 12:39 PM +00:00

R152 meet R132

replies 153Dec 31, 2017 3:51 PM +00:00

r151, but Mirren showed her asshole in Caligula as John Gielgud was fond to recall.

Mirren has been a sex symbol for decades.

Maggie wrapped all that up in California Suit.

Dench, not even in the room.

Yes, Mirren, no contest.

replies 154Jan 1, 2018 4:56 PM +00:00

Actually, it is a race to the couch to see whether Dame Judy or Dame Maggie will play Dame May Whitty in her biography.

replies 155Jan 1, 2018 5:02 PM +00:00

What do you mean R154 that Maggie "wrapped all that up" in California Suite.

That was a fairly inane jewish playlet.

replies 156Jan 2, 2018 11:16 AM +00:00
Judi Dench vs. Maggie Smith

Will there be jello wrestling at this competition?

--If so, I prefer the red kind.
replies 157Jan 2, 2018 11:18 AM +00:00

Watching California Suite I couldn't get through it.

I tried watching some of the Fonda/Alda homage to Woody Allen.

Absolutely dire.

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My biggest regret? I wish I'd had more children, confesses Dame Judi Dench

The Oscar-winning actress had her only child when she was 37. She also revealed how she and her late husband were turned down for adoption because they were too old.
Mail Online
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A very young Judi Dench
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A Young Judi Dench Was Told She Had “Every Single Thing Wrong” with Her Face

The actress recounts her most disastrous audition where she was informed she'd never make it in film.
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My biggest regret? I wish I'd had more children, confesses Dame Judi Dench

You mean the one that burnt down your Hampstead Heath house wasn't enough?

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Judi's husband was such a fanatical Catholic that their daughter was terrified to tell him that she got knocked up.

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R162 'Judi Dench Was Told She Had “Every Single Thing Wrong” with Her Face'

But her pygmy-sized body makes things VERY difficult for her theatre producers. She can't appear with a normal-sized actor because the audience giggles.

She walks across the stage of a normal-sized theatre and she looks like a—
replies 166Jan 2, 2018 2:28 PM +00:00

r154, California Suite was as sexy as the future Dame Maggie got.

Dame Judi has never been set afire. Cold.

Dame Helen still smoulders...

replies 167Jan 2, 2018 2:42 PM +00:00

Dame Vanessa Redgrave

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But her pygmy-sized body makes things VERY difficult for her theatre producers. She can't appear with a normal-sized actor because the audience giggles.

I'm taller than that dwarf Elaine Paige who, in Sunset Boulevard, had to have the steps lowered because she couldn't climb them.

--J. Dench
replies 169Jan 2, 2018 2:45 PM +00:00

Judi is 155 cm

replies 170Jan 2, 2018 2:52 PM +00:00

^ 155 cm is inadequate for a real man.

The fantasy-world of movies can disguise this inadequacy but it can't happen in the hard reality of the live stage.

replies 171Jan 2, 2018 2:55 PM +00:00

Dame Judi is 83 so she could have lost few inches

replies 172Jan 2, 2018 2:57 PM +00:00

Paul Newman was 168 cm according to Larry King

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The fantasy-world of movies can disguise this inadequacy but it can't happen in the hard reality of the live stage.

I remember her saying for one of the James Bond movies that they had to build a special ramp for her because she had to walk into the scene and come face to face with someone.

replies 174Jan 2, 2018 3:01 PM +00:00

Now, now r169 you exaggerate. They actually had to lower the handrail on the stairs so you could see her.

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