Join the Bitchfest >>

"You made us into a suburban cliche!"

"Goodbye, my friend."

end credits to this episode.
--You tell her, Mo.
replies 600Nov 30, 2017 6:25 PM +00:00

Maureen Bauer was such a boring character.

--Bert’s Amputated Leg
replies 1Nov 30, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

I agree. She had served her purpose; there was only so much you could do with her character. Since she was the "moral" center of the show you couldn't rework her character as a typical soap opera whore (I don't mean to be nasty but let's face it most soap opera females under a certain age slept around). I guess the writers felt she'd gone on long enough.

replies 2Nov 30, 2017 6:50 PM +00:00

Did that actress die or something?

replies 3Nov 30, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

Who inherited Bert’s leg when she croaked? Did they hang it up in the Bauer living room?

replies 4Nov 30, 2017 7:04 PM +00:00

No, r3. She was fired by JFPee to pay for Justin Deas.

replies 5Nov 30, 2017 7:31 PM +00:00
Who inherited Bert’s leg when she croaked? Did they hang it up in the Bauer living room?

Dionne Warwick did when they used a song from the same album as "That's What Friends Are For" for her death montage.

One of the many wonderful songs that most have never heard. Miss Dionne Warwick is and will always be a treasure. Please visit my "covers" page @
replies 6Nov 30, 2017 8:37 PM +00:00

R3 The actress didn’t die but her career sure did.

replies 7Dec 1, 2017 2:29 AM +00:00

An Ellen Parker thread and an Anna Levine thread in the span of a week! Plus the ubiquitous M and G threads. Somebody start a Jill Eickenberry thread!

--Wendy Wasserstein’s corpse
replies 8Dec 1, 2017 3:42 AM +00:00

I believe it was a "suburban joke", OP.

replies 9Dec 1, 2017 4:01 AM +00:00

I was given the line by the person who asked me to start the thread, R9. That may explain my difficulty in googling it.

replies 10Dec 1, 2017 9:24 AM +00:00

Thank you, OP!

This is a Guiding Light thread, and that's what Maureen said to Lillian after Lillian slept with her husband.

replies 11Dec 1, 2017 9:34 AM +00:00

JFP and her focus groups were spot-on! Maureen was so boring. Even the OP's montage put me to sleep. Why did they get rid of daddy bear Mart Hulswit and replace him with one of the most uncharismatic beta male actors ever, Peter Simon? They should've cut their losses and just kill of the entire Bauer family. No one would've missed them.

replies 12Dec 1, 2017 9:36 AM +00:00

R12 = Mary-Alice Dwyer Dobbin, partner in crime

replies 13Dec 1, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00
Christ, one of the producers from the '80s, Joe Willmore, tried to fire Parker too. He wanted Ellen Dolan back and met with her secretly to secure a deal. Parker got wind of it, and did something to put a stop to it. Parker didn't exactly light up the screen. If they wanted to keep the Bauers front and center they should've hired more dynamic actors to play Maureen and Ed. As for Peter Simon, he telegraphed dull and boring. They should've hired someone with leading man looks, or at least someone reasonably attractive, to play Ed after Hulswit was axed. Someone like John McCook or James Storm or Frank Converse. Richard Van Vleet was an underrated Ed. He had great looks. And would it have killed them to hire an actual charismatic actress to play Maureen? Someone like Jamie Lynn Bauer or Deidre Hall would've filled the bill.

Let me tighten my weave for a moment....there.

FIRST of all. It was some exec at CBS who thought Dolan should come back, not Willmore. Parker was loved on set, Peter Simon liked her, but the writers lost the plot with Mo after the whole Beirut/Michelle story, and only rarely gave her a story with bite. She was great when she was given meaty story, as she was when Holly and Roger returned to town. Sadly, Parker survived the CBS exec but not JFP.

Mart Hulswit couldn't act worth a damn. Richard Van Vleet was a decent enough Ed, but Peter Simon really played Ed as the flawed addict that he was.

replies 14Dec 1, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00
Mary-Alice Dwyer Dobbin

Mickey Against Daytime Drama

replies 15Dec 1, 2017 9:42 AM +00:00

DAMN! When I Googled it it came up suburban cliche, which is what I asked some very lovely person in the AW thread to post.

But after checking youtube it is RIDICULOUS SUBURBAN JOKE!

In any case, watch. Maureen reads Lillian for filth!

replies 16Dec 1, 2017 9:42 AM +00:00
And would it have killed them to hire an actual charismatic actress to play Maureen? Someone like Jamie Lynn Bauer or Deidre Hall would've filled the bill.

Oh, dear god in heaven. Ellen Parker is a zillion times better than either of those.

replies 17Dec 1, 2017 9:43 AM +00:00

^I posted that on the AW thread. She might have more extensive training, but she could never light up a screen like Jamie Lynn Bauer or Dee Hall. I was thinking that Nancy Frangione might've been a suitable Maureen. She had screen presence, and she could play warm and fuzzy (as evidenced by her performance on AMC as Tara), and of course bitchy like Cecile.

replies 18Dec 1, 2017 9:48 AM +00:00

The one scene even more heartbreaking.

"You have broken my heart."

The show suffered till its end from the loss of this character, this kind of character, but there were excellent performances for the next few weeks and months after, to be sure.

Maureen blasts Ed for what he's done. Ed makes a horrifying discovery.
replies 19Dec 1, 2017 9:51 AM +00:00

Jamie Lynn Bauer sucks moose cock for Jesus. And "Dee" Hall IS Marlena.

replies 20Dec 1, 2017 9:53 AM +00:00

R16 (or anyone), how did Maureen come into possession of Lillian's letter to Ed?

replies 21Dec 1, 2017 9:54 AM +00:00

Prepare to start yawning at around 9:50.

The 20th Annual Daytime Emmy Awards May 26, 1993 (Part 1) Hosted by Susan Lucci and Walt Willey Outstanding Supporting Actor: Gerald Anthony Outstanding Supp...
replies 22Dec 1, 2017 9:55 AM +00:00

Thanks, R22.

The line goes: "You have reduced us to a ridiculous suburban joke, and I will never forgive you for this." Clearly Ellen Parker deserved to win.

replies 23Dec 1, 2017 10:04 AM +00:00

The ROAR from the audience when her scene played. The one time I watched the Emmys and KNEW someone would win.

And what a graceful speech.

if there was ever a character whose return to life I would have accepted with little/no/any explanation, it would have been Maureen.

replies 24Dec 1, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

Anyone who thinks Maurer Bauer was boring and needed to go doesn't understand soap operas.

--Irna Phillips
replies 25Dec 1, 2017 10:10 AM +00:00

It was so sad watching. My best friend, with whom I'd watched GL and AW for years, died the previous year. Sometimes I wish I could go back to early 1992.

replies 26Dec 1, 2017 10:10 AM +00:00

@ 4:50 "Stop it, Lillian. We are not entitled to tears."

Maureen tells Vanessa what she knows. Michelle walks in on Ed and Lillian.
replies 27Dec 1, 2017 10:21 AM +00:00

If a more dynamic actress, or even one with evidence of a pulse, had been playing Maureen, say, Katherine Kelly Lang or Cat Hickland, I'd have understood the outrage at her being axed. But Parker was coma-inducing and had to go. It was a smart decision on JFP's part.

replies 28Dec 1, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00
Katherine Kelly Lang

Oh, fucking PLEASE. Next you'll be humping for Sheila.

replies 29Dec 1, 2017 10:48 AM +00:00

R28 You're just trolling now. Nice try.

Next you'll suggest Brenda Dickson.

replies 30Dec 1, 2017 11:16 AM +00:00
Jamie Lynn Bauer sucks moose cock for Jesus.

But she said she loved me!

--Bullwinkle J. Moose
replies 31Dec 1, 2017 11:19 AM +00:00

They killed me off too and nobody cared.

replies 32Dec 1, 2017 11:20 AM +00:00

Brenda Dickson and Kim Zimmer in the same scene would be soap nirvana.

replies 33Dec 1, 2017 11:20 AM +00:00

After Mo's death, they should have brought back Rita.

And Rita should have been Olivia's mom.

replies 34Dec 1, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00

Who else hurled chunks during the last episode when Lillian have the audacity to 'forgive herself' for Maureen's death at the burial site of all places? GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH!

Buzz and Lillian, Vanessa and Billy - a Double Wedding at the end of Guiding Light's historic run. I love both of these two couples and the actors who brough...
replies 35Dec 1, 2017 11:26 AM +00:00

OP, you have TOTALLY misquoted the line and I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR THIS!!!!
replies 36Dec 1, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00

Would y'all have accepted Judith Light as NuNuMo?

replies 37Dec 1, 2017 11:45 AM +00:00
Brenda Dickson and Kim Zimmer in the same scene would be soap nirvana.

If they put Kim Zimmer on Y&R she would be doing a scene with Traci where they fight over how much gravy constitutes a "serving size."

replies 38Dec 1, 2017 11:46 AM +00:00

Smashing Bert's china was such a delicious metaphor. It meant the end of the Bauers as the show's core family. They were smashed into pieces, never to be repaired and with that, the show was doomed.
replies 39Dec 1, 2017 11:46 AM +00:00

Welcome, Traci Is Fat troll.

replies 40Dec 1, 2017 11:48 AM +00:00
Would y'all have accepted Judith Light as NuNuMo?

After eight years of that terrible Tony Danza sitcom (which at least got Danny Pintauro off of ATWT which thrived and bloomed without him) and her complicity in that Jeffrey Tambor thing on Amazon, I'd rather have Judith Jetson in the role.

replies 41Dec 1, 2017 11:49 AM +00:00

Ed was really a huge dick a lot of the time if you think about it.

replies 42Dec 1, 2017 11:50 AM +00:00

Be that as it may, R42, did he have a huge dick?

replies 43Dec 1, 2017 11:52 AM +00:00

Remember when Michelle began having her period and she found a letter for Maureen telling her she had become a woman and then Goodbye My Friend played in the background. I cried for hours. Such a little queen.

replies 44Dec 1, 2017 11:53 AM +00:00

R43, ask that whore, Lillian!

replies 45Dec 1, 2017 12:11 PM +00:00

MARY r44.

replies 46Dec 1, 2017 12:12 PM +00:00

R36 It is MY fault.

I asked OP to start a thread and gave them the wrong quote. It's my fault!

--R16, weeping in penance. Big GL fan and should have known better!
replies 47Dec 1, 2017 12:14 PM +00:00

R39 did you do that? It's FAB!

replies 48Dec 1, 2017 12:14 PM +00:00
MARY [R44].

At least they got me to play Aunt Meta after Brian Frons killed my show twice. Pity they couldn't spell my name right in my obituary.

--Mary Stuart's ghost
replies 49Dec 1, 2017 12:15 PM +00:00

R35 "You'll love Buzz!"


replies 50Dec 1, 2017 12:19 PM +00:00

Eve Guthrie was never missed.

--Nick McHenry
replies 51Dec 1, 2017 12:20 PM +00:00

Mary Stuart is an interesting figure to me.

Some soap folks think she's amazing, but I also heard she was the cuntiest cunt who ever cunted, and that she made Connie Ford look like a shy, demure ingenue in comparison.

Always liked her onscreen, though. They should have brought her on about 5 years earlier.
replies 52Dec 1, 2017 12:35 PM +00:00

Fifty comments in and this thread is already one of the best GL threads ever at the DL.

Not that I, too, can't appreciate 200 comments about Phillip Spaulding's dong, but a little variety is good, my dears.

I remain, as always....

--Bert Bauer's Good Leg
replies 53Dec 1, 2017 12:36 PM +00:00

Did that bitch Lillian seriously wear a white dress to Vanessa's wedding BEFORE Buzz proposed to her? She deserves to die in a grease fire.

replies 54Dec 1, 2017 1:00 PM +00:00

Lillian was always a bit cuckoo. A bit blonde.

She didn't know her daughter was getting her cooch grabbed by her stepdad, and it was happening in front of her eyes.

replies 55Dec 1, 2017 1:13 PM +00:00

I'll go as far as to say that Maureen was an albatross around the show's neck, a throwback to the dishwater-dull heroine/matriarchs from the '50s and '60s that only served to keep the show anachronistic and prevent it from competing with the more vital and exciting ABC and Bell shows. JFP wisely understood that, and intuitively knew that an eccentric, nonstandard soap character like Buzz was much more needed on the canvass to ensure the show's future and to make it more competitive than some obsolete boring old spinsterish heroine/matriarch.

replies 56Dec 1, 2017 1:24 PM +00:00

I loved Search so when they announced Mary Stuart (the second time) I was elated. But as much as I loved she performed exactly the same role Ellen Parker's Maureen did.

And to the show's shame, in anticipation of killing Maurer off they made Maureen into exactly the tent pole character she should always have been. She was the glue that held the entire show together and was interestingly connected to every single character.

replies 57Dec 1, 2017 1:27 PM +00:00

Anyone who thinks GL needed Buzz Cooper is high.

replies 58Dec 1, 2017 1:29 PM +00:00

What is Beth Ehlers up to these days?

replies 59Dec 1, 2017 1:32 PM +00:00

Why should Maureen have been the tentpole character? She was connected to two families that were pretty much irrelevant at that point, the Bauers and especially the Reardons. The Lewises, Spauldings and the Coopers formed the core. If anyone was a tentpole character that was connected to everyone it was Reva, and shame on JFP for not letting Zimmer back on the show.

replies 60Dec 1, 2017 1:42 PM +00:00

It is not just relatives... and Reva was not a character to give advice and comfort.

Maureen had very specific relationships with Ed, Bridget, and Michelle, of course. But also Alan-Michael, Eleni, Vanessa, Roger, Holly, Blake, Fletcher, Ross, et al. She was the voice of reason. She was the sympathetic ear. She was the mother figure to the motherless.

Reva could never be anything like that.

replies 61Dec 1, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00

Right on, R61.

Ellen Parker and HW Nancy Curlee turned Maureen into Springfield’s moral center but the character was so much more than a saccharine goody two-shoes.

replies 62Dec 1, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

ugh Nancy Curlee. I don't think she ever really "got" GL. Pam Long was the show's signature writer. Howeve, the Dobsons were great. So was Marland. I'm in the minority here, but I also really, really liked Megan McTavish's and Ellen Weston's stuff. Curlee was meh for me.

replies 63Dec 1, 2017 2:02 PM +00:00

I never bought Lillian betraying her best friend like that much less sending Ed that incriminating note that could be found.

replies 64Dec 1, 2017 2:07 PM +00:00

Curlee/Demorest=GL's version of Black/Stern

replies 65Dec 1, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

R65 - No. Sit down. You're not a well woman.

Curlee was a phenomenal writer. Pam Long was, too, but Long's weakness was an inability to write for all the characters. The Curlee era was the first (and I'd argue the last) time in many years that the whole town of characters was used.

Is the anti Ellen Parker cunt the same cunt who loathes Beverlee McKinsey? Sounds the same to me.

replies 66Dec 1, 2017 2:19 PM +00:00

r66, are you that cunt poster from SON with that stupid Nancy Curlee quote in your signature about the Bauer porch light being a beacon for people seeking refuge from their enemies, or some stupid shit like that?

replies 67Dec 1, 2017 2:25 PM +00:00
I never bought Lillian betraying her best friend like that much less sending Ed that incriminating note that could be found.

Thank you, Jill.

replies 68Dec 1, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00

Goodbye, my lethally dull, coma-inducing friend.

replies 69Dec 1, 2017 4:05 PM +00:00

r56, yes, because your logic worked out SO WELL for the show didn't it? GL was doing well in the ratings in the early 90s, once Mo was killed they dropped and never regained, not even during the great Cynthia Watros era.

replies 70Dec 1, 2017 4:24 PM +00:00

You think the ratings dropped because Ellen Parker was fired? LMAO. They were no great shakes in the early '90s either. Sure, they got progressively lower as the decade wore on, but you seriously can't be making a causal argument? I mean, that's precious if you are, hon. Totally precious.

replies 71Dec 1, 2017 4:34 PM +00:00

That's not the only reason. There's also the O.J. trial and the fact that a lot of their core audience, my grandmother included, just plain got old and died.

replies 72Dec 1, 2017 4:47 PM +00:00

Well one thing's for sure r71, Justin fucking Deas didn't do anything for the ratings. Fuck him and that fat sow who hired him.

replies 73Dec 1, 2017 4:50 PM +00:00

Bringing back Reva was one thing, but giving her a clone? To this day, I ask "what the FUCK?"

replies 74Dec 1, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00

Nice way to intentionally totally misinterpret the point. No one said the one and only reason the ratings declined was because the show fired Ellen Parker.

The argument was that without the character of Maureen, the show was left without the motherly, comforting talk-to that classic shows have always relied on to provide familiarity and a moral compass. Also, as said above, the show recognized the problem when it brought in Meta to perform that exact same function.

replies 75Dec 1, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00

r75, didn't Vanessa become the motherly talk-to figure after Mo or does her fucking young men cancel her out?

replies 76Dec 1, 2017 4:52 PM +00:00

R67 No I'm not, you fat whore, but I love her already.

--As if I'd hang out at SON. I'd sooner hold hands with Jamey Giddens
replies 77Dec 1, 2017 4:53 PM +00:00

No, Vanessa was a rich, ice princess. They brought in Meta and later Nola to fill the earth mother role.

replies 78Dec 1, 2017 4:55 PM +00:00

I thought Buzz filled the mother earth role.

replies 79Dec 1, 2017 4:59 PM +00:00

Annie Dutton could have become the new Mother Earth figure if they hadn't turned her psycho! She was a hell of lot better a mother to Marah and Shayne than the Slut of Springfield!

replies 80Dec 1, 2017 5:00 PM +00:00

I think Abby Bauer was being positioned to take on that role.

replies 81Dec 1, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

I loved Reva and all her storylines, so did a lot of viewers. She was the face of GL. I much rather have watched her meander through the Amish country than watched Maureen dole out advice to Bridget over a cup of coffee at the Bauer kitchen table. Yawnz!!

replies 82Dec 1, 2017 5:04 PM +00:00

Imagine Cynthia Watros and Beverlee McKinsey playing this scene. OMG!!!

Alexandra finds Alan hiding Annie in her attic at the Spaudlding mansion.
replies 83Dec 1, 2017 5:04 PM +00:00

It's not an either/or, r82.

replies 84Dec 1, 2017 5:11 PM +00:00

The amount of commercials per hour increased in the 1990s. By the time the show went off the air, whole episodes weren't even 40 minutes long! That took time away from storytelling.

replies 85Dec 1, 2017 5:14 PM +00:00

Otalia was a great story for the show.

replies 86Dec 1, 2017 5:22 PM +00:00

Did anyone else besides me love the Dreaming Death storyline?

replies 87Dec 1, 2017 5:27 PM +00:00

If Fletcher was sterile, how did he conceive Meg with Holly?

replies 88Dec 1, 2017 5:40 PM +00:00

He was punched by Rum Tum Tugger in prison.

No, that was Craig on ATWT.

replies 89Dec 1, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

Buzz Cooper made me stop watching.

replies 90Dec 1, 2017 5:42 PM +00:00

Buzz Cooper made me horny.

replies 91Dec 1, 2017 5:46 PM +00:00

That's your problem, R91.

replies 92Dec 1, 2017 5:48 PM +00:00

Reva once not the first to have a menopause BABY!

replies 93Dec 1, 2017 6:03 PM +00:00

Slee, hon, are you talking about Jessica, or the boys you popped out when you were late 20s but looked 75?

replies 94Dec 1, 2017 6:05 PM +00:00

I think the whole Guiding Light moving to Peapack thing would make an amazing movie. So much of it was disastrous, but also hilarious. It's a fantastic hook for a film. Maybe Kim Zimmer could play herself?

replies 95Dec 1, 2017 6:05 PM +00:00

Nola was never supposed to be, or slated to be, Earth Mother.

Her second go round was a bust because they had Nola stalking Buzz, and that was totally not her at all. Bridget could have possibly been the new tentpole character.

replies 96Dec 1, 2017 6:07 PM +00:00
Maybe Kim Zimmer could play herself?

At this point she's big enough to play herself and Ashlee Wolfe too.

replies 97Dec 1, 2017 6:08 PM +00:00

All this debating over who could have been the new Earth Mother confirms to us that killing maureen was a huge mistake.

replies 98Dec 1, 2017 6:10 PM +00:00

Don't be fresh, R94.

replies 99Dec 1, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00

Why did there even need to be an earth mother? Anyway, they had Reva take on that role as Zimmer aged (and weighed) out of the heroine/vixen category.

replies 100Dec 1, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00

r100, Reva WAS the Earth Mother by the 2000s. Zimmer ballooned and she fit the role perfectly.

replies 101Dec 1, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

Nah, Reva was never really that character either. And earth mother has nothing to do with size/appearance. Reva was all about Reva, and a tentpole, "earth mother" character has to give a fuck about other people.

Every story needs a "talk to" - otherwise the various characters are kind of untethered and unconnected. As GL was for its last five years, since the budgets were cut so bad that most scenes and sometimes whole days only had two or three people.

replies 102Dec 1, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

When it was evident they were transitioning Reva to earth mother/matriarch, I remember Zimmer at the time saying something to the effect that she didn't mind being a matriarch, but that she didn't want to be a Bert Bauer type matriarch.

replies 103Dec 1, 2017 6:18 PM +00:00

Fuck this show. You bitches know it was all about ABC Daytime.

sung by Jeffrey Osborne
replies 104Dec 1, 2017 6:22 PM +00:00

Charita Bauer tribute.

Taken from the episode that marked the passing of Charita Bauer
replies 105Dec 1, 2017 6:26 PM +00:00

I'm sure you can post that in the Loving thread, dear.

--Oh, wait....there's isn't one? I wonder why.
replies 106Dec 1, 2017 6:26 PM +00:00

Can someone direct me to the Love of Life thread? I need to discuss Tudi Wiggins.

replies 107Dec 1, 2017 6:35 PM +00:00
I need to discuss Tudi Wiggins.

There's an ointment for that.

--Ask your doctor if Tudi Wiggins is right for you
replies 108Dec 1, 2017 6:36 PM +00:00

I love Holly in this scene. You just know what's thinking: "Oh god, get over it, bitch."

Maureen accuses Holly of having an affair with Ed. Holly denies it and reassures her friend that her marriage to Ed is solid and enviable. both are unaware t...
replies 109Dec 1, 2017 6:41 PM +00:00

Can someone start a Somerset thread?

replies 110Dec 1, 2017 6:43 PM +00:00

I think Meryl Streep should be taken to task not doing a few weeks on Guiding Light as a favour to Maeve. She could have lifted the ratings. Maybe as a recast Hope Bauer?

replies 111Dec 1, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

I can't be the only one who thought the whole plot about Bridget faking going to Appalachia to hide her pregnancy was fucking hilarious.

23 Dec 1992 (Part 2) - Ed tells Ross that he hasn't seen Blake lately, as Ross shares some of the Bauers' Christmas spirit. Ross watches as Bridget shares a ...
replies 112Dec 1, 2017 6:47 PM +00:00

When they did Death Becomes Her together, A Martinez asked Meryl to do a cameo on Santa Barbara. She refused, saying that she needs to play a full character arc, with a beginning, middle, and end, and that she wouldn't get that on a soap. He's lucky she didn't laugh in his face. A soap? Really.

replies 113Dec 1, 2017 6:48 PM +00:00

r113, what the fuck was she even talking about? You can do a character arc with a beginning middle and end on a soap, that's why it's called a FUCKING CHARACTER ARC. It has to end, regardless of the genre. For instance, Meryl could have guest starred as a Hope Bauer returning to Springfield with terminal cancer to settle old scores, and died on screen. Hell, she'd have gotten a Daytime Emmy out of it most likely.

replies 114Dec 1, 2017 6:50 PM +00:00

r113, A Martinez wasn't IN Death Becomes Her.

replies 115Dec 1, 2017 6:52 PM +00:00

She Devil was based on Marcy Walker.

replies 116Dec 1, 2017 6:54 PM +00:00

Whatever the hell movie they made together.

replies 117Dec 1, 2017 6:55 PM +00:00

Meryl was just frightened about soap opera actors wiping the floor with her overrated ass. That's why she never guest starred on a soap.

replies 118Dec 1, 2017 6:57 PM +00:00

Since Christmas is coming up....

Kim's performance of "Silent Night" on the Lisa Rinna and Ty Treadwell hosted Soap Talk, which aired on SOAPnet.
replies 119Dec 1, 2017 7:00 PM +00:00

When GL killed off Lynne Adams as Leslie in 1976 there was HUGE fan outrage - but it brought up the then sinking ratings. Adams had been mega popular as Leslie in her 1st go round in the late 60's/early 70's then she left to replace Jada Rowland on Secret Storm as the main heroine Amy. Barbara Rodell assumed the role of Leslie and made her her own. Rowland was brought back to SS in its last year in a last ditch effort to avoid cancellation and Adams lost her job. She wanted her job on GL back and CBS allowed it, dumping Rodell. It was a crazy, crazy era and Adams soon learned coming back as the happily married to Mike Leslie Bauer was a snooze. Leslie was now being written as the matriarch in training to Bert Bauer and Adams cringed at dialogue where Leslie cautioned her step daughter Hope about pre-marital sex. Adams and management came to realize she had to go, all of which freed up superstar Don Stewart's Mike Bauer to be a single man able to pursue romantic entanglements. Strangely, the Mike character never married again.

All to say GL never learned and killing off Parker seemed to free Peter Simon's Ed Bauer to be a single father of a young daughter who would have romantic possibilities. It also DID free up money to snare the obnoxious Justin Deas, who I had loved on Santa Barbara and ATWT but geez he was a ham and cheese double decker on GL. Deas was never believable as Frank Cooper's father.

After Mo was gone, late 40ish Ed had a fling with the doomed late 20's Eve, Vanessa, mid 40's had a romance with 25ish Matt, imid 40's Ross became involved with mid 20's Blake and then late 40's Roger married mid 20's Dinah. ALL of these storylines went on at the SAME TIME. It was really weird. And there was no Mo Bauer. The show had lost its way completely.

replies 120Dec 1, 2017 7:09 PM +00:00


replies 121Dec 1, 2017 7:22 PM +00:00
I can't be the only one who thought the whole plot about Bridget faking going to Appalachia to hide her pregnancy was fucking hilarious.

It reminded me of the plot to hide Julie away and pretend Aaron was Iva's son.

--Andy Dixon
replies 122Dec 1, 2017 7:38 PM +00:00

Ugh that fucken Serial Nutjob has polluted this thread. Asshole. Go the fuck away you mental case.

replies 123Dec 2, 2017 2:11 AM +00:00

I always figured Reva was a tent pole character because her muumuus were the size of a circus tent.

--Robert Newman
replies 124Dec 2, 2017 2:23 AM +00:00

Ashlee Wolfe was fatter than Reva. That girl was HUGE.

replies 125Dec 2, 2017 2:44 AM +00:00

Nola... gay icon.

replies 126Dec 2, 2017 3:14 AM +00:00

Jennifer Richards made me moist in my pussy regions.

--Evie McFarren
replies 127Dec 2, 2017 3:27 AM +00:00

A moment infamous in Datalounge history.... Bert and Ed are having coffee when Kelly Nelson walks in wearing nothing but his underwear. Bert gets an eyeful! "GOOD MOOOOORNING!"

Ed and Bert aren't able to get straight answers from Kelly about Morgan. Ed is pleased by a call from Rita. Hope tells Bert about her gift for Alan. Kelly in...
replies 128Dec 2, 2017 3:33 AM +00:00

Looks like Bert had an orgasm looking at Kelly.

replies 129Dec 2, 2017 3:39 AM +00:00

Ah, those were the days when Bert had 2 good legs. Sigh.

--Dr. Sara McIntyre
replies 130Dec 2, 2017 4:47 AM +00:00

Oh, damn. John was so hot.

replies 131Dec 2, 2017 6:02 AM +00:00

Did Kristen Vigard's carpet match the drapes?

replies 132Dec 2, 2017 6:45 AM +00:00

Vigard had freckles all over. Word is that JWS was repulsed since he wasn’t into women anyway so they replaced Vigard.

replies 133Dec 2, 2017 6:53 AM +00:00

No, Vigard was replaced because she was immature and didn't take the work seriously. It had nothing to do with JWS.

replies 134Dec 2, 2017 7:03 AM +00:00

Does anybody else think that welsh actor Luke Evans is the doppelgänger of Chris Bernau (Alan Spaulding)?
replies 135Dec 2, 2017 7:14 AM +00:00

So JFP was going to have to get rid of SOMEBODY to pay for Deas. Whom do you think she should've axed instead?

replies 136Dec 2, 2017 7:16 AM +00:00

r136, she should have axed Fletcher. What the fuck did he exactly contribute to the Light?

replies 137Dec 2, 2017 7:17 AM +00:00

I'm guessing the very highly compensated Beulah Garrick could have been axed to make room for a dozen new actors. She held the show hostage.

replies 138Dec 2, 2017 7:21 AM +00:00

She should've axed Grant Aleksander. Hell, the insurance alone on his pendulous dong could've paid for ten actors.

replies 139Dec 2, 2017 7:25 AM +00:00

r137 As much as I liked the Fletcher character, he was certainly expendable by 1993.

r139 Grant wasn't on the show in 1993. He was at AMC playing Alec MacIntyre opposite Kelly Ripa.

replies 140Dec 2, 2017 7:27 AM +00:00

Well, Lillian was obviously expendable.

But why did they HAVE to hire Deas in the first place? What value did that character ever bring to the show?

replies 141Dec 2, 2017 7:30 AM +00:00

JWS didn’t like eating pussy. He was very cool towards Vigard because he didn’t like her.

--Geri C
replies 142Dec 2, 2017 7:37 AM +00:00

I think they needed to keep Lillian around because they knew that Beth would be returning at some point. Someone high up at P&G must've liked Tina Sloan. After Judi Evans left, they tried building a family around Lillian with Calla and Jessie in order to keep Lillian viable.

replies 143Dec 2, 2017 7:46 AM +00:00

Did Geri’s carpet match the drapes?

--Marsha Clark, asking for a friend
replies 144Dec 2, 2017 7:56 AM +00:00

Lots of snatch eating in Springfield...Geri Court, Mo Garrett, Marsha Clark, Beulah Garrick, Babs Berjer. Am I forgetting anyone?

replies 145Dec 2, 2017 8:02 AM +00:00

Deas brought nothing to the show. Look what they did with beautiful Fiona Hutchison by pairing her with him... she went from high glamour and jewels and furs to living over a greasy spoon and pushing out runt Coopers.

replies 146Dec 2, 2017 8:03 AM +00:00

Beaulah Garrick made my titties hard.

--Babs Berjer
replies 147Dec 2, 2017 8:03 AM +00:00

I think Ellen Dolan munched occasionally too. Lisa Brown always pinged, but evidently she likes dick.

replies 148Dec 2, 2017 8:06 AM +00:00

Is it true that Frank Beaty fell in love with Rick Hearst?

replies 149Dec 2, 2017 8:27 AM +00:00

Frank Beaty? Isn't he the guy that had a heart attack after he slept with Rose Nylund?

--Dorothy Zbornak
replies 150Dec 2, 2017 8:31 AM +00:00

Ellen Parker was in Meryl Streep's year at drama school and ended up playing the best friend of Meryl's sister in law Maeve Kincaid. You'd think Meryl would be game enough to do a fucking story arc to promote the show as a favour to them. Bitch.

replies 151Dec 2, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00
Ellen Parker was in Meryl Streep's year at drama school and ended up playing the best friend of Meryl's sister in law Maeve Kincaid. You'd think Meryl would be game enough to do a fucking story arc to promote the show as a favour to them. Bitch.

And all three of them (Ellen, Meryl & Maeve) are all still good friends with one another.

replies 152Dec 2, 2017 8:33 AM +00:00

Maureen's death netted James E. Reilly (Days of our Lives & Passions) his first and only Emmy for outstanding writing in a drama series. He was co-head writer along with Nancy Curlee and Stephen Demorest

replies 153Dec 2, 2017 8:35 AM +00:00

r152, yet Meryl has never lifted a finger to promote the show. This is apparently the world's greatest actress and she had a chance to give the oldest soap in the world international press!

Anyway, here's Meryl at 38 seconds and Maureen (sorry I mean Ellen) at 1:15.

Oscar winner Meryl Streep, Swoosie Kurtz, and Jill Eikenberry star as former classmates at a reunion seven years after their graduation from Mount Holyoke Co...
replies 154Dec 2, 2017 8:37 AM +00:00

The old bag in that clip is Josephine Nichols, who went on to play matriarch Kate Marshall on Texas. Geez, P&G really went in for these theater-type actors.

replies 155Dec 2, 2017 8:40 AM +00:00

That is really disappointing to hear that Meryl did nothing to promote a weekday soap opera when she selfishly piled up Academy Award nominations like nobody's business. It would not have required much from her to consent to show up as a Bauer cousin or Spaulding servant. The show might still be on the air now if she had.

replies 156Dec 2, 2017 8:41 AM +00:00

Exactly r156. If my sister in law and old drama school buddy was on a daytime soap that was struggling in the ratings and I was this big superstar actress, you better fucking bet I'd be reporting there stat to get that show's profile raised.

replies 157Dec 2, 2017 8:46 AM +00:00

Shut up asshole Serial Nutjob. Moron. Go eat Kimberlin’s rotten old snatch.

replies 158Dec 2, 2017 8:48 AM +00:00

Well, GL wasn't exactly struggling when Parker and later Kinkead left. It certainly wasn't close to #1, but was mostly comfortably middle rated. The bottom really didn't begin to drop out until the early 2000s, when they were both long gone.

replies 159Dec 2, 2017 8:53 AM +00:00

Did Meryl even WATCH Guiding Light when her family and friends were starring on it?

replies 160Dec 2, 2017 8:56 AM +00:00

Why didn't Meryl do a cameo on her buddy Jill Eikenberry's LA Law in its final struggling years? Or appear on Love, Sydney as a favor to Swoozie Kurtz? Meryl simply didn't have time for this nonsense, especially appear on a daytime soap. That would've been so beneath her, I can't imagine anyone would seriously think she'd have lowered herself to do that. It's actually laughable to think about.

replies 161Dec 2, 2017 9:05 AM +00:00

r161, oh look, another daytime soap opera snob. As if there's any difference between a soap or a movie except for production value?

replies 162Dec 2, 2017 9:20 AM +00:00

R119, my ears! For some reasons in the early 2000s all these over the hill daytime divas started singing. Remember Lucci's musical interlude at the Emmys one year?

replies 163Dec 2, 2017 9:23 AM +00:00

This wipes the floor with any scene from Sophie's Choice!!!

Part 1 of 4. Vanessa reads a letter written by her father before his death.
replies 164Dec 2, 2017 9:24 AM +00:00

r163, "They say falling in love is wonderful...."

Wally Kurth, Eva La Rue, Eden Reigel, Susan Lucci, Kyle Lowder, Ron Raines, Ricky Paull Goldin and more sing love songs at the 2003 Daytime Emmy's.
replies 165Dec 2, 2017 9:25 AM +00:00

Are you serious, r162?

replies 166Dec 2, 2017 9:25 AM +00:00

Oh look at dear Maeve over-emoting over some old dead queen.

replies 167Dec 2, 2017 9:30 AM +00:00

"Dear Maeve... thank you for your sweet letter. In answer to your request to do a cameo on Guiding Light, my agent told me it would be career suicide to appear on a soap opera, guest appearance or otherwise. This is not to denigrate your own achievements in that genre which, like everything else, has its place in our culture. But my place is up on another level. See you at Harry's birthday party. Love Meryl."
replies 168Dec 2, 2017 9:38 AM +00:00

Oh, Vanessa's letter.

This has turned into a pretty good thread.

replies 169Dec 2, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00

Maeve, dear, move a little more to your right, please. Dear, you're still in the picture.
replies 170Dec 2, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

Guiding Light went through more theme tunes than Reva Shayne went through husbands.

And here is my surround version in 5.1. Stereo listening doesn't sound well.
replies 171Dec 2, 2017 9:52 AM +00:00

Lots of them do, R171. ATWT changed what, four times, between 1986 and 2010? And OLTL couldn't hold onto a theme song for very long, either.

replies 172Dec 2, 2017 9:56 AM +00:00

I know this is the Guiding Light thread but was Kim Hughes regarded by viewers as the Mother Earth of World Turns?

replies 173Dec 2, 2017 9:58 AM +00:00

Somewhat, but not when Emma was a regular.

replies 174Dec 2, 2017 10:03 AM +00:00

That Bill Roerick was an old queen.

replies 175Dec 2, 2017 10:21 AM +00:00

Cynthia Watros and Cady McLain should have gone on to bigger things.

Tammy Blanchard was riding high for awhile.

What happened?

--Damon Sugar Hill
replies 176Dec 2, 2017 11:22 AM +00:00


replies 177Dec 2, 2017 12:46 PM +00:00
Was Kim Hughes regarded by viewers as the Mother Earth of World Turns?

Not really. She was feisty. She'd slap a bitch and say "Watch it, toots."

Also, it's hard to be the tentpole matriarch when you slept with your sister's husband, and you both birthed a baby by him at about the same time. That's some Maury shit.

replies 178Dec 2, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00


I mean, really. GLENN could have appeared on my sister in law's darling, kicky little television program. I'm sure our dear Glennie, Plain and Tall could have played a worn, put upon hausfrau with all the dignity and delicacy it required.

I AM sorry, truly, but I just couldn't. Daytime? New York? For scale? That's just beyond me.

replies 179Dec 2, 2017 2:51 PM +00:00

Carl T Evans (Alan Michael #1) still looks good.

Carl T. Evans is a quadruple threat in the entertainment industry as a writer, producer, director and actor. Evans launched his career in...
replies 180Dec 2, 2017 2:54 PM +00:00

Couldn't Meryl have given Maeve a part in one of her movies at the very least?

She could have been the affable best friend in Plenty!

replies 181Dec 2, 2017 3:20 PM +00:00


Guiding Light HAD its very own movie star, thank you.
--Miss Jobeth Williams
replies 182Dec 2, 2017 3:23 PM +00:00

What about me Jobeth?

--Cindy Pickett, protege of Vadim
replies 183Dec 2, 2017 4:08 PM +00:00

replies 184Dec 2, 2017 4:10 PM +00:00

You lazy bitches can brag all you want about your movie careers, when all you had to do was show up to a set at the crack of noon.

NONE of you did a soap during the day and the lead in a Broadway show every night. No one.

Pay homage, bitches. To a TRUE star.

Lee Roy Reams and "Guiding Light" star Lisa Brown perform a medley from the musical "42nd Street," in which they both appeared.
--Miss Nola Reardon
replies 185Dec 2, 2017 5:50 PM +00:00

Didn't Floyd end up being a villain?

replies 186Dec 2, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

Yes, he ended up being the one who murdered Andy Farris, after it had been blamed on Lujack, I think.

A section devoted to Guiding Light, featuring daily recaps dating back to 1996, scoops and spoilers, Two Scoops commentary, character and actor biographies, message boards, contests, games, and the latest news from Springfield, plus much more.
replies 187Dec 2, 2017 6:02 PM +00:00

Maeve with Elvera Roussel, who really fraued out. Time is an awful thing.
replies 188Dec 2, 2017 6:03 PM +00:00

Elvera’s FAT! Yikes.

replies 189Dec 2, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

More (and more) Elvera.
replies 190Dec 2, 2017 6:52 PM +00:00

Great pre-credits scene where India gets in Roger's face.

Guiding Light October 4, 1990
replies 191Dec 2, 2017 7:49 PM +00:00
Time is an awful thing.

Well, time and Hostess Cupcakes.

replies 192Dec 2, 2017 10:47 PM +00:00

What would Bert think about how fat Hope got?

--Bert’s Diabetic Leg
replies 193Dec 3, 2017 5:00 AM +00:00

Hey, I love poking fun at those that deserve it, but I have to pipe up on the Elvera Roussel comments.

She's had some debilitating disease and has been on steroids for years. I remember reading about it back in the 90s - maybe in Lynda Hirsch's column or in SOD - because GL had wanted to bring her back. (I can't remember exactly when but am thinking it may have been around the time of Alan-Michael/Lucy.)

But even then she said, "My days in front of a camera are over."

replies 194Dec 3, 2017 5:51 AM +00:00

My mother cried when Maureen Bauer died. There's your audience.

replies 195Dec 3, 2017 8:20 AM +00:00

It became so much more fresh, hip and youthful when they dropped the "The".

replies 196Dec 3, 2017 8:26 AM +00:00
It became so much more fresh, hip and youthful when they dropped the "The".

They had a disco theme song in 1982 after everyone else declared it dead.

replies 197Dec 3, 2017 8:31 AM +00:00

IMO, TGL was very much like OLTL. It was a soap that was just "there". It had moments of greatness at varying times during it's run, but it was never the crown jewel soap. Comparing it to other PG soaps, it never had the dazzle of ATWT or the "quality" label like AW had in its heyday. It wasn't The Edge of Night. Search and TGL were just workhorses. They did there thing and from time to time would break out and shine, but never really had the buzz like ATWT, AW, or TEON.

replies 198Dec 3, 2017 8:38 AM +00:00

r198, I've never heard of ATWT being referred to as 'dazzling'. Many people would regard those two soaps are interchangeable, in fact.

replies 199Dec 3, 2017 8:43 AM +00:00
They did there thing and from time to time would break out and shine, but never really had the buzz like ATWT, AW, or TEON.

I heard they did a lot of coke on the set in the 1980s.

replies 200Dec 3, 2017 8:58 AM +00:00
Many people would regard those two soaps are interchangeable

ATWT was number 1 for like 20 years and had Lisa. GL did not.

replies 201Dec 3, 2017 9:02 AM +00:00

I wish that they had written better for Marah. They could never figure out what the point of view her character was supposed to be.

She was an adorable rug rat though.

replies 202Dec 3, 2017 9:05 AM +00:00

ATWT was the quintessential midwestern soap that made it into the mainstream entertainment vernacular, Edge the mystery soap, and AW the sophisticated soap. Neither GL nor SFT really had its own theme. People liked to talk about GL being about family warmth, blah blah blah, but the Bauers were never really written as this warm, fuzzy family when they were a vital part of the canvass.

replies 203Dec 3, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00

I actually went to elementary school where one of the teachers knew the boy who played Little Billy in the early 1990s. WEHT him?

replies 204Dec 3, 2017 9:21 AM +00:00

I loved Otalia, they were the best part of the Peapack years.

replies 205Dec 3, 2017 9:28 AM +00:00

r203, are you an idiot? GL's whole theme was in the title. About people striving for a moral compass, an ideal of living. And that was reflected in the show.

replies 206Dec 3, 2017 9:37 AM +00:00

So it's not a stoner reference?

replies 207Dec 3, 2017 9:38 AM +00:00

Yes, The Guiding Light's title was about striving for a spiritual ideal and overcoming the baser nature of human beings, and on the other side of the spectrum, Another World was about striving for a better material life and getting into a different social class or what have you. Guiding Light had the spiritual and Another World had the reality.

replies 208Dec 3, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00

Please, these shows only paid lip service to their so-called "themes." ATWT, AW, SFT, and GL were all interchangeable.

replies 209Dec 3, 2017 9:43 AM +00:00

And Search for Tomorrow enabled both Andrea McArdle's career and that of Jennifer Anistakassis's father.

replies 210Dec 3, 2017 9:43 AM +00:00

Irna Phillips' original story bible for ATWT:

"AS THE EARTH TURNS", somewhere in this world the light of dawn breaks thru the darkness of night. As the earth turns somewhere in this world the sun dips into the distant horizon before the oncoming shadows of evening. As the earth turns, we know the bleakness of winter, the promise of spring, the fulness of summer, and the harvest of autumn. As the earth turns the cycle of life is completed.

What is true of the earth, nature is true also of man. He too has his cycle, as the earth turns.

From the time man's experiences were first recorded on stone, there has always been the seed of what we today call the family. Man, knowingly or unknowingly, thru the many stages, growth if you will, of civilization, has attempted time and again to solidify the family unit. Today, against the backdrop of an atomic age, of the hydrogen bomb, there is a great threat to all of us; not the threat of physical annihilation, but the destruction of that something which has made us feel secure, a security that has always found its beginning in the home, the family. Here in one form or is the great object of life.

It would almost ludicrous to attempt to make any comparison between the families of a generation, two generations ago and the generation of today. The world has seen many changes and undoubtedly will witness more, and as the earth turns in our lives, with the coming morning and the advent of night, you and I of necessity must cope with the problems of today. This is true of people in every community in the world.

There is no more poignant drama enacted anywhere than behind teh closed doors of a home.


As the title "AS THE EARTH TURNS" is limitless in scope, so will the selection and inclusion of characters be limitless. There will not be any one lead character thruout the life of the drama. This will be the story of a family, not exclusively any individual number thereof, but of the whole family, their relationships with each other and the world outside.

Let us for the moment walk down a street of an ordinary suburban family. It is more than obvious that many of the homes were designed by the same architect. Yes, there is somewhat of a sameness in design, construction, and if you walked up to the steps, and could without being seen open the doors to many of these homes, you would find that they all housed families. This is not only true of the homes on Oakdale Avenue, this is true of every community the world over."

replies 211Dec 3, 2017 9:44 AM +00:00

r209, that's not true. Their themes were reflected handsomely. Guiding Light's founding themes were religious, there was even a famous scene in the late 50s or early 60s where Bert chastised Ed for claiming to be 'holier' than his father, the dialogue of which sounds ludicrous by today's standards. By the same token, the Rachel character defined Another World's title by her fanatical search for material security, first with Steve Frame and then with Mackenzie Cory. Of course, Agnes Nixon later changed those parameters for All My Children, where Erica Kane's search was not merely for security, but for global fame.

replies 212Dec 3, 2017 9:49 AM +00:00

"As we look back on all those years and thousands of shows, it's the faces we remember. Those wonderful actors who created such real, incredible emotion. They became a part of our families."

Guiding Light celebrates 50 years on television (65 years total, with radio) at the 2002 Daytime Emmy Awards, presented by Kim Zimmer (Reva) and Robert Newma...
replies 213Dec 3, 2017 9:50 AM +00:00

Also, r209 and r212, in later years—I started watching AW in 1988—and over the next several years, I thought Jake and Vicky were perfectly emblematic of the AW theme. Jake was always such a striver, the kid with his nose pressed up against the glass, able to see what he wanted and thought he should have, yet not able to claim it without a ton of struggle. Vicky was similar, given their mutual upbringing in Lassiter, even though she eventually emerged as a Love/Hudson heiress. She was a lot like what I imagine Rachel was like at that age.

replies 214Dec 3, 2017 9:53 AM +00:00

Reva ruined the GL. I hated Kim Zimmer and her publicity whore antics. Ending the show with Josh and Reva was the ultimate slap in the face to the classy audience the show had before Gail Kobe and Pam Long.

replies 215Dec 3, 2017 9:55 AM +00:00

How different Guiding Light would have been if Marland had stayed there. Nola, not Reva, would be regarded as the icon of the show.

replies 216Dec 3, 2017 9:58 AM +00:00

Getty Images says this is Maeve Kincaid standing next to me on the night I won #2...but I am not sure?
replies 217Dec 3, 2017 9:58 AM +00:00

"I'm sick and tired of losing Emmys to Kim Zimmer all the time!"

kim zimmer wins and a great day for as the world turns--wins best show YEA!!!
--La Liz
replies 218Dec 3, 2017 10:00 AM +00:00

I agree that sometimes the P&G shows had identities, sometimes they didn't...SFT included. It wasn't a two-family soap like Irna's soaps, it was a soap that revolved around a single character, with roots way back in things like Portia Faces Life or Mary Worth. SFT relied on the great appeal of Mary Stuart and the show floundered whenever she wasn't the sun around which everything revolved.

replies 219Dec 3, 2017 10:06 AM +00:00

Some bad acting in those award show clips ^

replies 220Dec 3, 2017 10:07 AM +00:00


Guiding Light Monday July 27, 1981
--Lisa Brown
replies 221Dec 3, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

Funny how she and Kathleen Turner were in Body Heat but then Kathleen left for movies and Kim stayed in soaps, but they both gained weight in recent years.

replies 222Dec 3, 2017 10:09 AM +00:00

Yeah, R222. Just hiLARious.

replies 223Dec 3, 2017 10:11 AM +00:00

Speaking of the Reardons, apparently they were all at Maureen's funeral... ONLY OFF-SCREEN!!! Can you believe those cheap bastards behind the scenes?

replies 224Dec 3, 2017 10:15 AM +00:00

Holly was the only one who knew how to talk to Michelle. Everybody else was pussy footing around.

13 Jan 1993 - As Ed and the others return to the house after Maureen's funeral, Blake gives Ed a message from his brother Mike. Blake explains to Alan-Michae...
replies 225Dec 3, 2017 10:18 AM +00:00
Speaking of the Reardons, apparently they were all at Maureen's funeral... ONLY OFF-SCREEN!!! Can you believe those cheap bastards behind the scenes?

If it hadn't been for their cheapness, we wouldn't have gotten their business.

--The mayor of Peapack, NJ
replies 226Dec 3, 2017 10:35 AM +00:00

"There is a state of panic and chaos at Guiding Light, and has been ever since head writer Douglas Maryland left almost a year ago."

LATE BREAKING NEWS Soap Opera Digest (April 12, 1983)
Classic Soap Opera Digest News
--JWS's overstuffed speedo
replies 227Dec 3, 2017 12:18 PM +00:00

That's a lovely pic of Geri Court in that article. She is positively glowing.

replies 228Dec 3, 2017 12:25 PM +00:00
Bert chastised Ed for claiming to be 'holier' than his father, the dialogue of which sounds ludicrous by today's standards.

That scene is on Youtube. I watch it often. Ed hated his father for what he did to his Mother and here was his Mother berating Ed for defending her and trashing his father. People might think that Bert was crazy, but if you knew the history of Bert, you would know that she was a grade A cunt back on those days and it lead to Bill's cheating. What was even more ironic is that Ed would later become a drunk and a wife beater just like his hated father. That is why soap opera is just so good.

replies 229Dec 3, 2017 12:40 PM +00:00

I grew to appreciate that scene and dialogue of Bert ripping into Ed.

First, Charita was a great actress, she made it look easy.

Second, soaps were a thousands of times better back then; I am watching some of the Pam Long 1990 stuff. That show was so well-crafted with all the different characters; how alliances were formed, love grew; hate festered. Great dialogue and twists.

When Roger needed (?) money to pay Blake's ransom, Alexandra refused and suggested instead Roger tap into the funds he made with crooked business deals and swindling Henry Chamberlain out of his fortune.

Today, nobody ever points that shit out. Even when Cain on Y&R lost his job, nobody said 'where's your money from working at Chancellor or five other places where you had top positions?"

replies 230Dec 3, 2017 2:40 PM +00:00

Vanessa and Nola as the competing Scarletts.
replies 231Dec 3, 2017 2:54 PM +00:00

I loved that, R231.

And R230, it confuses me too. I realize budgets are cut, etc. but it's really not that hard to thread a few common threads. They write the shows as if everyone is watching it only for that day. And so they do.

replies 232Dec 3, 2017 5:24 PM +00:00

R231, Marland was long gone from the show the time the two Scarlets went at it, but I loved it when Nola simply and sharply said back to Vanessa (who said take your dress off): "no. you take your dress off!"

a simple, but classic Nola comeback.

replies 233Dec 3, 2017 5:29 PM +00:00
That scene is on Youtube. I watch it often. Ed hated his father for what he did to his Mother and here was his Mother berating Ed for defending her and trashing his father. People might think that Bert was crazy, but if you knew the history of Bert, you would know that she was a grade A cunt back on those days and it lead to Bill's cheating. What was even more ironic is that Ed would later become a drunk and a wife beater just like his hated father. That is why soap opera is just so good.

There's also the fact that there are huge gaps in the existence of pre-1980s episodes so that skewers things a bit. Still, what has survived is better than what we've got now. If only the current writers could take a look at what made those old shows work and apply that to current times. They never would have lost as much as the audience as they did.

replies 234Dec 3, 2017 5:38 PM +00:00
There's also the fact that there are huge gaps in the existence of pre-1980s episodes so that skewers things a bit. Still, what has survived is better than what we've got now. If only the current writers could take a look at what made those old shows work and apply that to current times. They never would have lost as much as the audience as they did.

I think you're being a little unfair to today's shows. All those classic soaps that we get to see snippets and single episodes of stand out because they are moments culled from a long continuing story. If watching The Doctors on Retro TV has taught me anything is that even soaps, when they were at their greatest (late 60s-70s), weren't always so great. They had clunkers. Sometimes things dragged. Sometimes characters didn't act in character. Sometimes the plot overshadowed the characters. There is no way a daily serial producing 250 episodes a year is going to be consistently perfect.

I think many of us who long for a return to those great days of soap, forget that things are often better in hindsight, then when you're actually going through it.

I am not holding writers, producers or networks blameless for what has happened to daytime soaps, but if we're honest we would have to admit that soaps have ups and downs. And that we can't fairly judge any soap from any era based on one clip or one episode. It's just not fair.

Whatever the fuck that means!

replies 235Dec 3, 2017 6:08 PM +00:00

Whoever said that it was "beneath" Meryl from making a cameo on GL obviously never watched Oscar winner Julianne Moore return to ATWT for a short scene in its last year.

I love the Maureen/Lillian scene that started this thread, but even better was when Kim Hughes found out her sainted husband Bob slept with Town Slut/Drunk Susan Stewart on ATWT.

replies 236Dec 3, 2017 6:10 PM +00:00
Whoever said that it was "beneath" Meryl from making a cameo on GL obviously never watched Oscar winner Julianne Moore return to ATWT for a short scene in its last year.

But Julianne had a history there. I started watching when she was a cast member, and the story of Kim finding Sabrina moved me in a way that is hard to describe. She had audience members like me that remember her.

All jokes aside, it really wouldn't have made any sense for Meryl to appear in a cameo.

replies 237Dec 3, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00
I think you're being a little unfair to today's shows. All those classic soaps that we get to see snippets and single episodes of stand out because they are moments culled from a long continuing story. If watching The Doctors on Retro TV has taught me anything is that even soaps, when they were at their greatest (late 60s-70s), weren't always so great. They had clunkers. Sometimes things dragged. Sometimes characters didn't act in character. Sometimes the plot overshadowed the characters. There is no way a daily serial producing 250 episodes a year is going to be consistently perfect.

That may be the case to an extent, but I still feel like at some point form started to matter more than substance, especially when they tried too hard to compete with nighttime soaps that had bigger budgets and were on only once a week.

replies 238Dec 3, 2017 6:17 PM +00:00
I love the Maureen/Lillian scene that started this thread, but even better was when Kim Hughes found out her sainted husband Bob slept with Town Slut/Drunk Susan Stewart on ATWT.

Good thing Jill didn't come to Oakdale.

--Kathy Hays
replies 239Dec 3, 2017 6:21 PM +00:00

Holly should have raised Meg too.

There I said it.

replies 240Dec 3, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00

Classic GL here in this clip. This was when the show reached the pinnacle of great, earthy drama; real meat and potatoes, kitchen sink type storytelling. Screw the Bauers, their moralizing and especially Maureen.

Reva beats up her clone
--Kim Zimmer
replies 241Dec 3, 2017 7:07 PM +00:00

Now i know that r241 is trolling!

replies 242Dec 3, 2017 7:18 PM +00:00

You'd think making it an hourlong show wouldn't have made it an either/or situation.

replies 243Dec 3, 2017 8:11 PM +00:00

The show made a mistake by moving the focus onto the Lewises.

replies 244Dec 3, 2017 8:26 PM +00:00

The addition of the Spauldings seems to be when the focus moved from the middle class of Springfield to its upper class.

replies 245Dec 3, 2017 8:33 PM +00:00

The Spauldings never ate the show and an effort was made to connect them to the Bauers in a few ways. The Lewises and then the boring Coopers devoured the show.

replies 246Dec 3, 2017 8:42 PM +00:00

The Lewises, it seems, grew out of the failure of Texas, which was NBC and P&G trying to do Dallas in daytime after they scaled back Another World from 90 minutes back to 60 where it should have stayed. Thank goodness none of the other soaps followed suit.

replies 247Dec 3, 2017 9:00 PM +00:00

Yeah Pam Long and Gail Kobe definitely Texas-fied GL. GL was enjoyable under them at first, though it did start to feel like a different show with the marginalizing of the Bauers, the prominance of the Lewises, the declawing of Vanessa, and those silly plots like the dreaming death. The show was so much better under Marland and especially the Dobsons IMO. GL under the Dobsons was at its peak.

replies 248Dec 3, 2017 9:07 PM +00:00

R247, um, one other show did -- OLTL.

The town of Llanview went to Texas for Sam and Asa's romance the week Texas premiered, I think.

replies 249Dec 3, 2017 9:25 PM +00:00

I meant expand to 90 minutes.

replies 250Dec 3, 2017 9:27 PM +00:00

R250, ah...of course. I misread.

I do think Long came into her own once she got up and running: India's plan for revenge, Beth/Lujack's romance, Alex taking down Alan, Phillip taking down Alan, re-introducing Holly and Roger...the whole intricate weaving of so many people into the Neil Everest India...I loved the Chelsea/Johnny singing, Sherry Stringfield's Blake; Maeve, Miss Sally....of course, Reva's search for acceptance and the mistakes she made along the way. I loved HB, Ed, Maureen...and Betty Rae casting the day players made things even better.

Not every story was a winner: Lujack as a rock star; Dr. Daniel... a few others; but I loved the Long eras - 83-85; 87-early 91, culminating in Phillip/Beth's wedding.

replies 251Dec 3, 2017 9:34 PM +00:00

Why not 1986?

replies 252Dec 3, 2017 9:40 PM +00:00

Geraldine Court made my pussy lips swell.

--Marsha Clark
replies 253Dec 4, 2017 2:05 AM +00:00

That was so out of left field to have Ed fuck Lillian

replies 254Dec 4, 2017 2:27 AM +00:00

I miss the early days of Mindy and Phillip "what a beautiful animal"

replies 255Dec 4, 2017 2:35 AM +00:00

John Wesley Shipp in his speedo made my penis erect.

--Chris Bernau
replies 256Dec 4, 2017 2:41 AM +00:00

Meryl's movie where she played the music teacher had several refs to what an asshole Paul Rauch was. It wasn't exactly subtle and this was right after Rauch forced Maeve off the show, basically by marginalizing her with Dinah's being a murderess and leaving the show.

replies 257Dec 4, 2017 2:51 AM +00:00

The show slowly and carefully set up Ed supporting Lillian turning into their one night together. It was entirely not out of left field.

replies 258Dec 4, 2017 3:13 AM +00:00
Meryl's movie where she played the music teacher had several refs to what an asshole Paul Rauch was. It wasn't exactly subtle and this was right after Rauch forced Maeve off the show


Please elaborate!

replies 259Dec 4, 2017 3:39 AM +00:00

Pam Long's first stint was riddled with network interference - CBS wanted the Bauers diminished and wanted the show to be more contemporary.

Her second stint was better, in my opinion.

replies 260Dec 4, 2017 5:01 AM +00:00

Pam Long wrote the Dolly Parton movies.

replies 261Dec 4, 2017 5:26 AM +00:00

The Mike Bauer character was severely diminished when Kobe/Long joined. I mean, they did make half-hearted attempts to pair him with Lillian and Alex, but you could tell they had no interest in writing for the character. It was kind of jarring, because until that point, he had been written as the show's lead hero. I forgot if Don Stewart was fired or if he just voiuntarily left when his contract expired.

replies 262Dec 4, 2017 5:30 AM +00:00

Kobe and Long convinced P&G/CBS Stewart's salary could be freed up for others, and Stewart hated both of those women. Killing off Hillary was stupid too. Charita's goodbye as Bert to Hillary was so beautiful though - she know she probably ad-libbed it.

replies 263Dec 4, 2017 5:32 AM +00:00

Don Stewart was an asshole. His character was played out, he was a leering old dude with a bad toupee, and he turned down pairings with a few female characters, Alexandra being one, because he expected that his 50something character would be paired with a teenage ingenue. He was fired for being an asshole.

replies 264Dec 4, 2017 5:41 AM +00:00

Well Don Stewart may have all of those things, but the show was mega popular for years because of him. And Mart Hulswit who was so cute.

replies 265Dec 4, 2017 5:44 AM +00:00

Mart Hulswit was fat. Cute would never describe him.

replies 266Dec 4, 2017 5:45 AM +00:00

It's kind of true about Don Stewart. I think it was Marland who tried pairing him with Geraldine Court's Jennifer Richards, but they had no chemistry. I think I read somewhere that she hated working with him because he was such an entitled asshole. He preffered younger pairings with people like Cindy Pickett and Rebecca Hollen. They chem tested him with Maeve Kinkead when she first joined but that went nowhere.

replies 267Dec 4, 2017 6:02 AM +00:00

Our beloved lezbo Geri Court HATED Don Stewart and his bad toupee and bad breath. He was an asshole to her.

--Anna Stuart
replies 268Dec 4, 2017 6:33 AM +00:00

Don Stewart was an ass, Just like Donald May and a few other of PGs leading men. There was no way that any actress would have gotten away with what those two pulled for so long.

replies 269Dec 4, 2017 6:41 AM +00:00

Hetero male asses need to go get fucked.

replies 270Dec 4, 2017 6:45 AM +00:00

What did Donald May pull? He got the "and" credit on Edge, and he was popular on Texas.

replies 271Dec 4, 2017 7:02 AM +00:00

Carla Borelli sucked Don’s dick in that Texas studio.

--They found cum stains
replies 272Dec 4, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

Pam Long always seemed rather strange. She was credited on Texas and GL as Pamela Long Hammer and then she gave an interview where she said that she and Jay Hammer were never married. Then in 2009 she denied that she wrote the Reva post-partum depression story when clearly that happened in the summer of 1990 and she was headwriter of GL until early 1991. She always founded flakey.

replies 273Dec 4, 2017 8:35 AM +00:00
Then in 2009 she denied that she wrote the Reva post-partum depression story when clearly that happened in the summer of 1990 and she was headwriter of GL

Something that isn't talked about a great deal with soaps, is that often soaps will buy a story from freelancers or even sometimes one of the actors. It happen(s)(ed) quite a bit. They buy the story and it's up to the HW and Breakdown Staff to make it work. And also in defense of PLH, these writers write so much that they sometimes forget what they write and sometimes it is subtle shade meaning that the original story was altered and changed by the network.

replies 274Dec 4, 2017 8:41 AM +00:00

R274 But back in 1990 in interviews, Pam owned up to creating and writing the post partum depression story when Kim went to TPTB at GL and informed them that she was leaving. Reva driving off the bridge is not the kind of story you forget. I’m cummmmming Bud!

replies 275Dec 4, 2017 8:56 AM +00:00

Thanks R275. I was just trying to find another reason to explain it.

replies 276Dec 4, 2017 9:01 AM +00:00

Pam Long's second tenure was weird. I think her EPs there were Joe Willmore, JFP, and Robert Calhoun. I liked her stuff under Joe Willmore, but something seemed different with Phelps and Calhoun. She definitely didn't have the synergistic relationship with them that she had with Gail Kobe, and the writing seemed more by committe then, instead of Long/Kobe's vision.

replies 277Dec 4, 2017 9:03 AM +00:00

They absolutely wrecked Nola in the late 90s having her stalk Buzz. And then being moralised by Harley of all people.

Guiding Light part 4
replies 278Dec 4, 2017 9:10 AM +00:00

Harley looked like Snoop Dog

replies 279Dec 4, 2017 9:25 AM +00:00

Somebody's dick, apparently.

replies 280Dec 4, 2017 11:47 AM +00:00

I'm glad they didn't give Roger ALS. I didn't want to see Roger as some wizened old man. Dennis Parlato was a great replacement.

replies 281Dec 4, 2017 12:05 PM +00:00

the cunt from hell at r281, quoting Mickey Dwyer Dobin.

replies 282Dec 4, 2017 12:07 PM +00:00

All this talk about earth mother, and not one mention about me - and I’m still working and first up in the credits...

Days of Our Lives


Suzanne Rogers as

Maggie Horton Kiriakis

replies 283Dec 4, 2017 12:37 PM +00:00

GL had every right to get rid of Zaslow. MADD was right - Zas could no longer play the role as needed. I side with her.

replies 284Dec 4, 2017 12:39 PM +00:00

Suz, earth mothers age naturally and let their hair go gray. They don't wear $5.99 red wigs from McCrory's on their skulls.

replies 285Dec 4, 2017 12:39 PM +00:00

ITA r284. No one wanted to see him disintegrate before our eyes. Soaps are for escape and entertainment, not to watch some wizened old man get sick on screen. Fuck that.

replies 286Dec 4, 2017 12:48 PM +00:00

Pam Long and JFP didn't work together at GL.

Pam came back in 1987 under Joe Willmore. But Robert Calhoun took over as EP by late 1988, shortly after the writers strike ended. I always got the feeling that Pam and Willmore didn't really work well together, but she and Calhoun seemed to mesh pretty well. Pam left at end of 1990/early 1991.

Robert Calhoun was EP until spring 1991. JFP took over sometime in late spring/early summer. One of the first things she did was hire Vincent Irrizarry to play Nick.

replies 287Dec 4, 2017 1:00 PM +00:00

I liked Long's stuff under Willmore a lot (Johnny Bauer's cancer, the beginnings of Sonny/Solita, intro of Frank and Harley before the Coopers at the show, Reva getting her groove back, re-introduction of Blake and Holly). There was a real warmth to the show then. I didn't feel that warmth with Calhoun.

replies 288Dec 4, 2017 1:04 PM +00:00

Zaslow's dismissal was poorly handled. He hadn't been diagnosed with ALS at that point; he was just having symptoms that were affecting his performance. So, it really looked like TPTB were firing him just because he was sick with something.

Dennis Parlato did a great job filling in. I would have had no problem with him continuing in the role when it became obvious that Zaslow was not well enough to continue in the role.

I agree that writing the ALS into the script would have been a poor idea. Roger was a thriving character; I didn't want to see him sick. Plus, even if they had written it in for the character, they couldn't have written a long term storyline for him since they would have no way of knowing what his health would be by the time the scenes shot.

JFP did something nice by hiring Zaslow to play David Renaldi again on OLTL. However, they couldn't give him a storyline either they didn't know what his health was going to be when the scenes shot. And his health declined fairly rapidly -- he died 15-18 months after being diagnosed.

replies 289Dec 4, 2017 1:22 PM +00:00
replies 290Dec 4, 2017 1:30 PM +00:00

El Dolan always looked like a lez.

replies 291Dec 4, 2017 1:41 PM +00:00

The best Maureen.
replies 292Dec 4, 2017 1:59 PM +00:00

Making Robert Calhoun EP of GL took him off of ATWT where Laurence Caso replaced him. How did that affect the show? Marland kept it up until his death, but who knows how long he would have stayed, where he would have gone after ATWT, and how he would have done in a post-OJ environment.

replies 293Dec 4, 2017 2:06 PM +00:00

Yeah, the writers at GL had been in place for 6+ months when JFP came aboard.

And that is so weird that Pam would have said she didn't write the postpartum story. She was head writer until several months after its conclusion.

replies 294Dec 4, 2017 2:12 PM +00:00

I did love this theme something fierce. It meant I was in for 2 hours of sheer bliss!

replies 295Dec 4, 2017 2:13 PM +00:00

As for favorite GL themes it's a tossup between this one....

This opening (with some changes) ran from early 1983 to the fall of 1985.
replies 296Dec 4, 2017 2:14 PM +00:00

...and this fabulous one.

This opening was used (in various versions) until 2002.
replies 297Dec 4, 2017 2:16 PM +00:00

That 1983 opening is pure bliss! Gail and Pam brought GL to #1 for 3 weeks in 1984.

replies 298Dec 4, 2017 2:31 PM +00:00
Gail and Pam brought GL to #1 for 3 weeks in 1984.

Yes, they did. And GL was great in 1984. But in fairness, the 3 weeks GL was #1 was in August 1984, when ABC soaps were preempted for the Olympics.

When ABC soaps returned, GL fell back down to #5 where it had been for most of the year.

replies 299Dec 4, 2017 3:13 PM +00:00

R299 You are incorrect. GL was #1 in June 1984, not August. And ABC did not pre-empt their 3 top soaps for the olympics. AMC, OLTL and GH did 40 minute episodes from 2-4 pm.

replies 300Dec 4, 2017 3:22 PM +00:00

Hmm, Lillian, why WOULD you defend adultery?

Lower quality video. Alexandra Spaulding (Beverlee McKinsey) discusses Nick with her hated ex Eric and with her friend Lillian.
--Slay her Baroness!
replies 301Dec 4, 2017 4:47 PM +00:00

r301, did you hear Bev's Texas twang at 5:13? OMG...

replies 302Dec 4, 2017 5:34 PM +00:00

If Carole Shelley, and not that McInzey creature, had brought Iris to Houston, "Texas" would still be on the air. There, I said it.

replies 303Dec 4, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

Ugh! That irritating McKunty voice. The neighborhood dogs used to whine at her voice. Karma got that bitch but good!!!!!

replies 304Dec 4, 2017 6:13 PM +00:00

The makers of Dallas and Dynasty took the Ewing and Carrington names from Another World. Beverlee was the pioneer.

replies 305Dec 4, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

All of your assertions are incorrect, r305.

replies 306Dec 4, 2017 6:21 PM +00:00

R285 Against Daytime Drama

replies 307Dec 4, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00

r284 Against Daytime Drama

replies 308Dec 4, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00
Marland kept it up until his death, but who knows how long he would have stayed, where he would have gone after ATWT, and how he would have done in a post-OJ environment.

Would Mimi Torchin have destroyed "Who Killed Carolyn Crawford?", just because she could, when she morphed into Spoilercunt?

replies 309Dec 4, 2017 7:05 PM +00:00

I remember Holly's rape case against Roger and how she admitted on the stand she loved Ed. That was good tv!

replies 310Dec 4, 2017 7:29 PM +00:00

Also Mrs. Wexler poisoning Ben, her daughter Evie's husband

replies 311Dec 4, 2017 7:30 PM +00:00

There is no way anyone could tell a multilayered, complicated storyline like Roger and Holly today, except on premium cable. There isn't a soap that would touch it. Now that I think about it, soaps probably wouldn't even tell Lisa fucking the shoe salesman for fear of fanbase backlash. Soaps used to be so provocative.

replies 312Dec 4, 2017 7:46 PM +00:00

Consider that their biggest competition had a woman marrying her rapist while this show argued over whether or not consent was always implied with marital sex.

replies 313Dec 4, 2017 7:50 PM +00:00
This month we focus on a character that really loved the holidays. Maureen would constantly open her home to the folks of Springfield. It's only fitting that...
replies 314Dec 4, 2017 8:11 PM +00:00

r314, why didn't GL bring back Claire right after Maureen died? It seemed the perfect time for her to stake a claim over Michelle.

replies 315Dec 4, 2017 8:15 PM +00:00

Ellen Parker's presence puts me to sleep. It's a knee jerk reaction.

replies 316Dec 4, 2017 8:29 PM +00:00

There was something turtleish about her appearance.

--Mitch McC.
replies 317Dec 4, 2017 10:07 PM +00:00

R306 Actually, Miss R305 is correct.

There's an interview somewhere that confirms that. I can't remember if the Shapiros wrote for AW at some point or whether they were just inspired by Iris et al, especially the way she was when she was introduced.

replies 318Dec 5, 2017 5:32 AM +00:00

Bev McInzy was all style and no substance. Awful actress but very charismatic and watchable.

replies 319Dec 5, 2017 5:36 AM +00:00

She was fantastic, and your repetitive trolling statements to the contrary will find no favor here.

replies 320Dec 5, 2017 5:46 AM +00:00

Ignore-dar reveals Bev-hater R319 to be the poster who thought Maureen should have been played by Jamie Lyn Bauer or Deirdre Hall. Or even Valley Trash Brooke. Nice to see such bad taste is so universally incorrect.

replies 321Dec 5, 2017 5:50 AM +00:00

McFlimsy had one facial expression: pissed. If this bitch was good, where are the emmies? Where are the accolaids?

replies 322Dec 5, 2017 6:38 AM +00:00
Where are the accolaids?

Where is the "Oh, Dear"?

replies 323Dec 5, 2017 6:40 AM +00:00

Oh what a real actress like Carmen Duncan could've done with Alexandra!

replies 324Dec 5, 2017 6:54 AM +00:00

I loved Carmen Duncan.

replies 325Dec 5, 2017 7:00 AM +00:00

Carmen was sophistication without the pretense of McDingy.

replies 326Dec 5, 2017 7:03 AM +00:00

Ooh, that thread became much shorter once I blocked that bitch.

*breathes in fresh air*

Inhale the fabulousness, bitches.
replies 327Dec 5, 2017 7:51 AM +00:00

Bitch, please.
replies 328Dec 5, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

Marj Dusay and her tired Gloria Swanson routine....

replies 329Dec 5, 2017 8:31 AM +00:00
R321 Maureen should have been played by Jamie Lyn Bauer or Deirdre Hall. Or even Valley Trash Brooke.

Make way, bitches
replies 330Dec 5, 2017 1:47 PM +00:00
Marj Dusay and her tired Gloria Swanson routine....

Marj is really talented and her original take on Alex was great, really solid. Something got lost in the transition back and forth from AMC to GL, or she wasn't directed well, but the later incarnations were indeed a little hyper.

It didn't help when the writers wrote her doing things like gaslighting Reva (ugh) and then a story where she hid Gus from Alan, something that Alexandra simply would have never, ever, EVER done, with what she went through with Brandon and Nick.

replies 331Dec 5, 2017 1:53 PM +00:00

My other likes for Maureen would've been Karen Morris Gowdy or Christine Tudor.

replies 332Dec 5, 2017 2:01 PM +00:00

Picture it!

Instead of Ellen Parker as Maureen.

Ellen DeGeneres as Maureen.

This was, of course, before Ellen.

replies 333Dec 5, 2017 2:13 PM +00:00

I wish the Reardons would have stayed on. In later years they should have recast Jim, or brought in Tony's kids.

I liked Bridget very much, Matt less so, but never understood why they were in Michigan when everyone else was in Springfield.

replies 334Dec 5, 2017 2:24 PM +00:00

Who was Bridget's father? How many turds did Bea shit out?

replies 335Dec 5, 2017 2:27 PM +00:00
Picture it! Instead of Ellen Parker as Maureen. Ellen DeGeneres as Maureen. This was, of course, before Ellen.

Would we have still happened in that scenario?

replies 336Dec 5, 2017 2:28 PM +00:00

Bea was Henry's hag for a while.

replies 337Dec 5, 2017 2:29 PM +00:00


I think Sean was her father

replies 338Dec 5, 2017 2:30 PM +00:00

Sean Reardon who we never saw. (The senior Sean was the one in that Annabelle story with the men of Springfield....the one that was a big success and then GL tried to copy it and do it again as Maryanne Carruthers, which everyone hated.)

I remember there were seven of them. Jim, Tony, Maureen, Nola, and Chelsea were the ones we saw. Sean and Lana we did not see.

replies 339Dec 5, 2017 2:34 PM +00:00

Jim and Tony were hot.

replies 340Dec 5, 2017 2:45 PM +00:00

I seem to recall Sean Reardon appeared in a handful of episodes in 1995. He was there to give a pep talk to Matt regarding Vanessa, or something like that. Sean was Matt's father as I recall. And was he Bridget's father or uncle?

replies 341Dec 5, 2017 3:50 PM +00:00

I think Marland won an Emmy for this episode which features the very hot Tony Reardon.

Guiding Light Monday July 27, 1981
replies 342Dec 5, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

Maybe he did, but it was some nondescript someone or another.

According to this, Bridget and Matt also had several siblings, too.

A section devoted to Guiding Light, featuring daily recaps dating back to 1996, scoops and spoilers, Two Scoops commentary, character and actor biographies, message boards, contests, games, and the latest news from Springfield, plus much more.
replies 343Dec 5, 2017 3:54 PM +00:00

Was Tony ever paired with ...




--Jack Ubront
replies 344Dec 5, 2017 3:57 PM +00:00
Maybe he did, but it was some nondescript someone or another.

Yes, definitely. Whoever they cast in the part was a nobody. Didn't recognize him or the name. It was obvious the moment Sean came to town for the 3-4 episodes that the show had no intention of keeping the character around. If they had, they would have cast someone with soap experience.

replies 345Dec 5, 2017 3:57 PM +00:00

R342, when Nola asks Tony to beat Kelly up, that could have lead to a very hot gay sex scene.

replies 346Dec 5, 2017 4:18 PM +00:00

Wasn't it that boy from the old MilkMate commercials? The one who complained about the powder chocolate residue at the "battam of the glayass"?

replies 347Dec 5, 2017 4:22 PM +00:00
R342 I think Marland won an Emmy for this episode which features the very hot Tony Reardon.

I was robbed
replies 348Dec 5, 2017 4:23 PM +00:00

I'm surprised there people who don't like Beverlee McKinsey. She is everything.

replies 349Dec 5, 2017 4:30 PM +00:00

Interesting, r43 - McKinsey went on record saying Curlee was her favorite GL writer. But I guess you're going to say next that you hated McKinsey.

Pam Long will go down as one of GL's signature writers, right up there with Marland and the Dobsons. But those writers of the late 80s-early 90s were some of the best. The show struggled in an almost pathetic way to find a writer who could truly take the show into the 21st century, and never found one. But the executive producers the show suffered through in the late 90s-2000s were the true killers of the show. DL pariah JFP truly was the last great GL executive producer.

replies 350Dec 5, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00

Don't feed K E N N Y from the DOOL threads r349.

He's really fat and disgusting, sweaty, stinks, dirty ass 300 lb bottom who wonders why he can't get fucked when he's never heard of douching. I should know. He tried to get me to fuck him, and then cried when I wouldn't (because I put my finger up and found a turd about an hour from departure) Shortly after that he started a big fight at SON and then left in a huff and started another site. Total psychopath bully, makes up self-aggrandizing stories about himself. Made up the Kola Bouf story.

replies 351Dec 5, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

R351 That is far more than any of us needed to know.

replies 352Dec 5, 2017 6:10 PM +00:00

The Nola/Kelly scene is one of the best things on GL ever.

I remember when they had the 50th anniversary shows in 1987 that was one of the five scenes they played.

Both of them were so good, but Lisa Brown was amazing. In a year she went from someone you couldn't stand to the only person you wanted to see. THAT is good acting.

replies 353Dec 5, 2017 6:11 PM +00:00

SON boards are a mess. That queen Soapsuds, who is a fat disgusting OLD pervert whacks off looking at Chandler Massey. Gross!!

replies 354Dec 5, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

And r354 continues to out her big fat ass. As if Drake H, and his twig and berries, weren't disgusted by your zits, your overwhelming shit and cheese stink, and the giggly bluberous nature of your very unhealthy body. And now you've almost aged out of the best gay years and are still a virgin. Sucks 2bu

--Ha ha ha S I N C L.....
replies 355Dec 5, 2017 6:23 PM +00:00

Thanks for misquoting me, stinking whore R330.

replies 356Dec 5, 2017 7:41 PM +00:00
SON boards are a mess. That queen Soapsuds, who is a fat disgusting OLD pervert whacks off looking at Chandler Massey. Gross!!

Does she refer to him as "Chambo"? There's a queen who deserves to die.

replies 357Dec 5, 2017 7:42 PM +00:00

More room full of stink from sweaty dirty fatass

replies 358Dec 5, 2017 7:43 PM +00:00

She became a pariah for what she did after she left GL, R350.

replies 359Dec 5, 2017 7:44 PM +00:00

Are you kidding, r359? A pariah in the minds of lunatic fans who can't let go of things, maybe. She went on to EP AW where she got the demos up, and then successfully EP-ed OLTL and GH., and then Y&R. Actors love working with her and she's respected in the industry. Her shows made money for the network. That's how you get respect. No sane person is looking at her and saying I won't hire her because she killed off Maureen Bauer.

replies 360Dec 5, 2017 8:28 PM +00:00

Me, I'm a GENERATIONS gal.

The famous catfight between Doreen Jackson (Jonelle Allen) and Maya Reubens (Vivica A. Fox) on the soap opera Generations. This clip also features Kristoff S...
replies 361Dec 5, 2017 10:15 PM +00:00

OT: but, is this the sleaziest soap opera diva pic ever done? Is she fingering her back door?

(They shouldn't let perforners drink at shoots.)
replies 362Dec 5, 2017 10:38 PM +00:00

Louise Sorel would have made a fabulous Jill on Y&R

replies 363Dec 6, 2017 8:51 AM +00:00

I'm not a suburban joke.

I'm fabulously slinky and mysterious.
replies 364Dec 6, 2017 3:59 PM +00:00

None of you bitches ever did a Remington Steele!

--La Bev
replies 365Dec 6, 2017 5:37 PM +00:00

If the demos for AW went up, then why was it thrown on the sword for Passions?

replies 366Dec 6, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

Passions was more compatible with Days and NBC owned it so all the profits went to NBC, including foreign broadcast rights which is where a lot of money is made.

replies 367Dec 6, 2017 5:46 PM +00:00

When AW aired on Soapnet, it literally got a 0.0 rating in the 18-49 demos.

replies 368Dec 6, 2017 5:51 PM +00:00

Jill Farren Phelps killed ALL soaps. LOL Such stupid people.

replies 369Dec 6, 2017 6:16 PM +00:00

I mainly watched this show as a kid and teenager, looking at the clips I didn't realize Holly was such an attractive woman. My little gay self had a crush on Ross.

replies 370Dec 6, 2017 11:02 PM +00:00

I loved Nola until they hooked her up with boring Quint. I hated Morgan and wanted her to get with Kelly, though I felt bad for Floyd

replies 371Dec 6, 2017 11:09 PM +00:00

Holly always acted like a lesbian. Remember when she was with gay Daniel St. John?

replies 372Dec 7, 2017 12:15 AM +00:00

Holly wasn't like a lesbian when Lynn Deerfield played her. She was neurotic and chased after Roger who instead wanted her sister in law Janet who really loved Ed. It was a five character pentagram - Ed, Janet, Ken, Holly and Roger. Those were the days!

--Proud Elder Gay
replies 373Dec 7, 2017 12:23 AM +00:00

I wanted Kelly to show me his pee pee

replies 374Dec 7, 2017 4:24 AM +00:00

I would have knocked Roger on his ass!

--Bert Bauer's Good Leg
replies 375Dec 7, 2017 1:15 PM +00:00

Ugh! That fukker Serial Nutcase is polluting this thread. Go away!

replies 376Dec 7, 2017 1:49 PM +00:00

R376 We will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever care.

Y'all need to leave your BS feud on Twitter. No one here cares.

replies 377Dec 7, 2017 1:52 PM +00:00
Jill Farren Phelps killed ALL soaps.

Hey. I helped.

--Mimi Torchin
replies 378Dec 7, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

So did I.

--Mickey Against Daytime Drama
replies 379Dec 7, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

Me, too.

--That Felicia thing who brought Luna to Oakdale.
replies 380Dec 7, 2017 1:57 PM +00:00

What? You mean you don't want to see some cross eyed, bucktoothed blond simpleton marry her cousin?

Sorry, her half cousin.

Jonathan and Tammy's Wedding January 18 2007 part ONE
--David Crapsman
replies 381Dec 7, 2017 2:02 PM +00:00

I loved Jonathan

replies 382Dec 7, 2017 3:21 PM +00:00

Lisa Brown knocked it out of the park in this episode. How the fuck did they keep throwing Emmys at that scenery chewer Kim Zimmer but Brown went unrewarded?

Guiding Light Monday July 27, 1981
replies 383Dec 7, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

--Lucinda, the Althea years
replies 384Dec 7, 2017 5:15 PM +00:00

You could see the theater training in Lisa Brown, with her "look at me!" acting. I found her acting very unnatural.

replies 385Dec 7, 2017 5:16 PM +00:00

R385, Yeah; it's best more to be just yourself, natural.


--Jennifer Horton
replies 386Dec 7, 2017 5:26 PM +00:00

I meant her performance was stagy and not natural. Very cold, brittle actress. Zimmer was just the opposite and deserved each and every one of those Emmys.

replies 387Dec 7, 2017 5:27 PM +00:00

R384 I love the old Doctors episodes because Hubbard was so different, but every once in a while a Lucinda-ism poked through.

R383 A mystery how neither Brown nor McKinsey was ever rewarded with an Emmy. I don't dislike Zimmer but she certainly didn't merit 4 Emmys.

replies 388Dec 7, 2017 5:28 PM +00:00

ugh McInzey, what a one-note actress. And that affected voice! Sorry, she did not deserve one single Emmy.

replies 389Dec 7, 2017 5:32 PM +00:00

Hubbard was nominated at least 7 times for Lead Actress as Lucinda, but never won.

replies 390Dec 7, 2017 5:38 PM +00:00

r387... of course her performances were STAGEY... soap opera back then reflected live theatre. And that's why we loved it.

replies 391Dec 7, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

Of course, the McKinsey hater also hates Lisa Brown.

Their lack of taste, intelligence and common sense is, well, consistent.

replies 392Dec 7, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

McKunty was hated by the industry because she was such a kunt. Karma baby. She never deserved an emmy.

replies 393Dec 7, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

Give me Susan Lucci, Kim Zimmer Jeanne Cooper, Dee Hall, and Melody Thomas Scott any day over the over-rated likes of Lisa Brown, McInzey, Maeve Kinkead, Ellen Parker, etc. Just thinking about Ellen Parker can cure my insomnia.

replies 394Dec 7, 2017 5:55 PM +00:00

r394, fuck off cunt.

replies 395Dec 7, 2017 5:57 PM +00:00

R387, my apologies...any fan of Reva's....:)

replies 396Dec 7, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

R394 has the aesthetics of a drunken, fat frau who thought "Mamma Mia" was the finest theater ever, and has the Let Me Speak To Your Manager haircut.

replies 397Dec 7, 2017 5:58 PM +00:00

R393, Emmys are given out based on the work, yes, Beverlee did deserve one for Alexandra and Iris each at least.

She came in and did great work.

If she wasn't pals with what?

replies 398Dec 7, 2017 5:59 PM +00:00
If she wasn't pals with what?

Sadly, the Emmys have always been about politics, who you know and who you blow.

It's why the same incestuous pool of people won year after year.

replies 399Dec 7, 2017 6:01 PM +00:00
It's been a while since I posted a video, but today we have a spectacular character to look back on. She wasn't around much when I watched, but finding all t...
replies 400Dec 7, 2017 6:40 PM +00:00

r383 thanks for the link, I remember watching that on summer break when I was a youngster, that was the good old days of Guiding Light

replies 401Dec 7, 2017 6:43 PM +00:00

LIsa Brown was dull and unattractive. Now Jennifer Cook, she was a very pretty and talented actress. She and JWS had amazing chemistry. They should've done more with Denise Pence. Very likable actress. Brown just came off as cold and aloof. Kobe/Long knew that Nola and Quint were popular, but they had no idea what to do with them.

replies 402Dec 7, 2017 6:45 PM +00:00

Have your Lisa Beige, Dullen Parker, McInzey, the other M...none of them can hold a candle to this. Star power, bitches. Bow!

888 Likes, 27 Comments - Susan Lucci (official) (@therealsusanlucci) on Instagram: “Don’t let the holidays get the best of you!!! Working out and working off the feasting that was…”
replies 403Dec 7, 2017 6:58 PM +00:00

Sometimes I forget just how beautiful Elizabeth Hubbard was.

replies 404Dec 7, 2017 6:59 PM +00:00

Hubbard had the Dietrich thing going on...

replies 405Dec 7, 2017 7:05 PM +00:00

r404/r405=Rachel Cory, when she went blind after being kidnapped by Sven.

replies 406Dec 7, 2017 7:10 PM +00:00

I think "You made us into a suburban cliche!" is a better line, anyway (?)

replies 407Dec 7, 2017 7:55 PM +00:00

R399, then why didn't Billy's 'nouveau riche princess' win won for sleeping with my husband!

--Alexandra Spaulding
replies 408Dec 8, 2017 10:55 AM +00:00

win one!

replies 409Dec 8, 2017 11:11 AM +00:00

Kunt kunt McKinskunt! I cannot stand McKunty, emmylesss, kunt who croaked off. Fuck you Bev you cunt! Bye fucking bye!

replies 410Dec 8, 2017 12:13 PM +00:00

Bye Bye Blackbird

--Teresa Lamont's Greatest Hits
replies 411Dec 8, 2017 12:25 PM +00:00

Got to 2:29 for tempAlex Lydia Bruce, and you'll see a real actress at her craft. Fuck McInzey! Bonus of Grant Aleksander's gratuitous shirtless scenes.

replies 412Dec 8, 2017 1:53 PM +00:00

The only persom Kimmy Simms was knowing and blowing at that point was Vincent Irizarry.

replies 413Dec 8, 2017 2:00 PM +00:00

Fuck you Beverlee McCunty! My guarantees were cut short.

--Rick Herbst, I mean Hearst
replies 414Dec 8, 2017 3:00 PM +00:00

R412, ironically, Mary Kay Adams was one of the few GL actors (along with Tina Sloan) to have worked with all four Alexandras: Beverlee, Lydia Bruce, Marj and Joan Collins.

replies 415Dec 8, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

I hated McKunty.

--Kimmy Simms
replies 416Dec 9, 2017 6:09 AM +00:00

I hated McCunty. Poor Doug Watson...having to play out a "triangle" between that awful, old-looking McCunt and that bug-eyed horse-faced creature. He must've done a happy dance the day he was paired with the beautiful and youthful Christine Jones.

replies 417Dec 9, 2017 8:24 AM +00:00

Is r417 "serial" or "spicen"?

replies 418Dec 9, 2017 8:25 AM +00:00

Serial psycho asshole. He’s mentally instable. Spicen is normal and good loking.

replies 419Dec 9, 2017 8:27 AM +00:00

How does one "lok," r419?

replies 420Dec 9, 2017 8:28 AM +00:00

R418, Serial is a huge McKinsey fan so it's not him. It's Spicen.

replies 421Dec 9, 2017 8:29 AM +00:00

Serial is psychotic. He just spent 2 months locked up. His family had him committed.

replies 422Dec 9, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

Zas and McCunt were both ham actors. Ham on rye, baby! They were so much wonder they hated each other.

replies 423Dec 9, 2017 8:35 AM +00:00

Reva and Sonni struggle on a rope bridge about to fall over in the middle of the Colombian rain forest

One of Pam Long storylines

Guiding Light - Sonni/Reva/Rope Bridge - 2/13/89 - pt. 2 Unfortunately, for the most part, I only have the Sonni/Solita storyline scenes for the 2/13/89 & 2/...
replies 424Dec 9, 2017 9:12 AM +00:00

Michelle Forbes is embarrassed about her soap past.

replies 425Dec 9, 2017 9:14 AM +00:00

I wish I'd gotten to see the Sonni/Solita storyline. They (she?) must have left Springfield the day before I landed there.

replies 426Dec 9, 2017 9:16 AM +00:00

Michelle Forbes remained good friends with Beverlee McKinsey long after she left the show

replies 427Dec 9, 2017 9:27 AM +00:00

R425, she shouldn't be; she was brilliant. I think she went through some tough times then, it was a ton of material and dealing with envy from Zimmer (which is beyond me -- not that Forbes isn't brilliant, but Zimmer's spectacular!)

replies 428Dec 9, 2017 9:59 AM +00:00
How the fuck did they keep throwing Emmys at that scenery chewer Kim Zimmer

If only the scenery was all she was chewing.

--Tathleen Kurner
replies 429Dec 9, 2017 10:24 AM +00:00

Kim deserved every one of those emmys. And McKunt was never even nominated for the Alex role. Ha ha ha ha ha

replies 430Dec 9, 2017 10:27 AM +00:00

As said above re Serial Whoever and Spicy Whatever:

We will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever care.

Y'all need to leave your BS feud on Twitter. No one here cares.

replies 431Dec 9, 2017 10:37 AM +00:00
I wish I'd gotten to see the Sonni/Solita storyline.

The plot itself took some twists and turns, especially because of the writer's strike. But damn if it wasn't still fun. And Michelle Forbes is a goddess.

This kind of explains it, I think.

It’s all about great story! That’s what soap magazines and all of us whiners in the blogosphere always say. We drive that point home with almost every post. (Of course, with the current…
replies 432Dec 9, 2017 10:41 AM +00:00

LOL at a prior DL thread's description of Forbes as "dykier than the Dutch flood plain."

Dykier than the Dutch flood plain.Who's had her?
the DataLounge
replies 433Dec 9, 2017 10:45 AM +00:00

Spicen is a wonderful person. Serial is a Nutjob whose family had him committed.

--Rick Gordon
replies 434Dec 9, 2017 10:45 AM +00:00

R434 In English?

replies 435Dec 9, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00

Isn't it kind of a coincidence that Peapack is actually in Somerset County?

replies 436Dec 9, 2017 10:47 AM +00:00

Cute, R436.

--former Union County resident
replies 437Dec 9, 2017 10:51 AM +00:00

I worked for Delaney Brands in Somerset...and was never once sexually harassed.

replies 438Dec 9, 2017 11:02 AM +00:00

Remember when McFlimsy decided to leave in order to finally pull one over on the producers. Never mind that it put her co-stars' jobs in jeopardy and had the writers hustling to hastily rewrite storylines and story projections. Never mind that these "awful" producers kept her employed and helped her maintain a very luxurious lifestyle most people could only dream about. Never mind that her prominence in the industry, thanks partly to these "awful" producers, allowed her to leverage the nepotism card and get her son into the daytime industry, where he has enjoyed a very successful career as a director under these "awful" producers. Get the fuck outta here, McFlimsy. Just awful. And she as no great actress! That voice was like footlong nails on a chalkboard. Luck of the draw for this bitch.

replies 439Dec 9, 2017 12:21 PM +00:00

I was happy when McFlimsy croaked off. Happy dance!!!!

replies 440Dec 9, 2017 1:38 PM +00:00

R339 want the fathers name Tom Reardon?

And I think the unseen Reardon sib was named Pat

--The ghost of Schemering
replies 441Dec 9, 2017 1:43 PM +00:00

Want = wasn't

replies 442Dec 9, 2017 1:44 PM +00:00

Bea Reardon had an active pussy.

replies 443Dec 9, 2017 2:38 PM +00:00

R441 Ooh, you are right re the father. My bad.

The sibling names I got from SoapCentral, so Sean and Lana were the two we never saw.

replies 444Dec 9, 2017 3:40 PM +00:00

R435 There are two soap queens who fight on Twitter and have been banned elsewhere, and like the Pacific Ocean Garbage Pile, their fight washes up here every so often. That's what R434 is talking about.

replies 445Dec 9, 2017 3:41 PM +00:00

Who is Rick Gordon, R445?

replies 446Dec 9, 2017 3:43 PM +00:00

Serial asshole is a mental case.

replies 447Dec 9, 2017 3:46 PM +00:00

Who the fuck knows.

replies 448Dec 9, 2017 4:20 PM +00:00

This isn't about Twitter queens.

It's about MEEEEE!

A classic clip from Guiding Light
replies 449Dec 9, 2017 4:21 PM +00:00

R439, from what I heard TPTB were ordering her to take Alexandra to new levels of cunt-dum and she didn't like it. The contracts have ALWAYS favored the shows but they didn't read hers properly and she took the same kind of out that the show would have on her had it suited their purposes.

Nobody lost their job because Beverlee left; they continued the stories and they made one of the worst recasting moves ever by hiring over the top Marj Dusay to wheeze new life into Alexandra in every scene.

Honestly, I don't know which was the worst Spaulding recast -- Dusay, Pilon, Poser or Bolger? (I gotta go with Bolger).

RARELY does it work when a new regime comes in to a show in terms of writing characters consistently.

Most saw McKinsey as a sophisticated presence who played cutthroat characters with a heart underneath.

replies 450Dec 9, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00

come to think of it why did Parker have to be cut to pay for scenery chewing Buzz?

The show has lost Kimberley, Sherry And Beverlee leading up to killing off Maureen.

Juggle the numbers, people!

replies 451Dec 9, 2017 7:05 PM +00:00
they made one of the worst recasting moves ever by hiring over the top Marj Dusay to wheeze new life into Alexandra in every scene.

so who would you have cast?

btw the killing off of Maureen was NOT for budget reasons. It was for storyline reasons. If you notice her death rocked the town and created ripple effects in the storylines for years. Though I agree with Soap Opera Digest who said that it would better story to keep Maureen by having a contentious divorce where the town would have to take sides. In addition some at SOD suggested that Maureen could have gotten involved with Roger which would have made a great story!

replies 452Dec 9, 2017 7:10 PM +00:00

Deas was coming from Santa Barbara. Despite the ratings, SB was the "quality soap" and they paid quality salaries plus gave their cast nice perks. GL had to probably come up with some serious coin to pay him.

After seeing what Constance Towers did with Helena, she would have been a great Alexandra recast. Jane Elliott would have been another good one.

replies 453Dec 9, 2017 7:13 PM +00:00

R452, Deas was an FOJ's and he was brought on and Springfield was never the same - not in a good way.

I would have cast as Alexandra either Penny Fuller or Susan Hayes (both screentested for the part, but again another FOJ from Santa Barbara was hired).

I would have tried Lydia Brice who subbed for Bev for a few days in 84, she wasn't bad.

The reason I would have killed off Maureen is the show was asking viewers to accept a new Blake, Mindy and Alex around this time.

Also, I wouldn't have brought Buzz on; if Maureen had to go I would have brought back Claire Ramsey (Michelle's bio mom) and done a quadrangle with Holly/Ed/Claire/Fletcher.

In fact, if Fletch fathered Meg, clearly his vasectomy had reversed itself (or the new writers forgot or didn't care) and then examined if Fletch was indeed Michelle's dad.

GL was great through early 93, having survived a mass exodus of favorites, but once into 93 or 94 we had Crampton as Mindy (miscast), Buzz, Marj, and - worst of them all -- Tangerine Hill.

replies 454Dec 9, 2017 7:58 PM +00:00

and I'm not a viewer opposed to change. Initially, I was wary circa 84 when a whole mess of Texas folks came over and a lot of Marland's colorful characters were written out (Nola! Quint! Kelly! Tony!) BUT I really great to love Alex, India, Reva, Miss Sally, Mindy, Beth, expanded roles for H.B. and the other Lewis men.

replies 455Dec 9, 2017 8:00 PM +00:00

great = grew

replies 456Dec 9, 2017 8:16 PM +00:00

Maureen rightly inherited the Mother Matriarch from Bert. Every soap needs one. The show floundered with some really wishy washy storytelling in the years following Mo's death.

replies 457Dec 10, 2017 3:37 AM +00:00

Mo was boring. Killing her off was a good idea. I never once missed her.

replies 458Dec 10, 2017 5:06 AM +00:00

Jane Elliot as Alex wouldn't have worked for the folks (like me) who adored her as Carrie Marler.

replies 459Dec 10, 2017 5:13 AM +00:00

Didn’t Strasser meet with JFP about the role of Alex? Then Strasser told ABC that she was thinking of getting back into soaps so they offered her the role of Dorian again on OLTL, displacing Elaine Princi.

replies 460Dec 10, 2017 5:25 AM +00:00

R460 true about the Alex recasts, Jane Elliot was under contract to GH, Constance Towers didn't want to move to NYC, Penny Fuller wasn't used to the grind of soaps, so that would be risky, Susan Seaforth Hayes might of made a good Alex.

replies 461Dec 10, 2017 5:34 AM +00:00
Susan Seaforth Hayes might of made a good Alex.

Yes, she might have. She can go from sweet to megacunt within one breath, which the part called for. I have never been a DOOL fan, but I got exposed to "Julie" when DOOL became GOOL, and she became the character I most loved to hate.

replies 462Dec 10, 2017 5:59 AM +00:00

I wonder what Kristi Ferrell looks like now. She was so adorable as Roxie Shayne but I gather she became a cokehead and had to leave the show.

replies 463Dec 10, 2017 7:04 AM +00:00

Again I say: Dusay was great in her first go-round. It was later that she became over the top. Partly because of the writing, and partly because Dusay emphasized the humor in Alex and made her a joke.

I really think Louise Sorel would have been great as Alexandra.

Susan Seaforth Hayes might of made a good Alex.

There is no such thing as "might of," dear. It's might've, or MIGHT HAVE.

replies 464Dec 10, 2017 7:18 AM +00:00
Honestly, I don't know which was the worst Spaulding recast -- Dusay, Pilon, Poser or Bolger? (I gotta go with Bolger).

Pilon and Poser, for sure, and Ron Raines too.

Bolger was great, he just wasn't Phillip.

replies 465Dec 10, 2017 7:20 AM +00:00


from 1997: Annie continues her efforts to get Reva to believe that they are sisters in order to to keep her away from Josh.
replies 466Dec 10, 2017 7:27 AM +00:00

Breaking News!

--Louie Darnell
replies 467Dec 10, 2017 7:31 AM +00:00

I'm sorry, but I love Susan Hayes but she would have been so wrong for Alexandra. Alex is subtle. Those big bold actresses would have all been wrong. Constance Towers or Jane Elliot or Victoria Wyndham can do subtle. Marla Adams would have done a good job. Judith McConnell would have been great.

replies 468Dec 10, 2017 7:33 AM +00:00

R464, I'll give you that; Bolger's a fine actor. he just was not Phillip.

I don't think any return ever made me as happy. everyone always talks about the Phillip/Rick relationship (frankly, I think sleeping and marrying each other's g.f.'s is an odd way to deal with your feelings for one another), but I liked the Phillip Alan-Michael (Carl Evans) dynamic.

We saw AM realize being the apple of Alan's eye wasn't necessarily a good thing.

replies 469Dec 10, 2017 7:41 AM +00:00

I would love to have seen what Jamie Lyn Bauer or Dee Hall could've done with Alex.

replies 470Dec 10, 2017 7:42 AM +00:00

Damn you, Reva! Damn you to Hell!!

This episode has no commercials. This also starts a new playlist: Guiding Light 1996 Playlist 2. Hart shows up at the penthouse to try and make amends with D...
--Joshua's Talking Penis
replies 471Dec 10, 2017 7:43 AM +00:00

Based on McClumsy's talent, I think an equal in the acting department would've made an apt replacement. Maybe Shari Shattuck or Sarah Buxton. Shelley Taylor Morgan would've worked too.

replies 472Dec 10, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00
Constance Towers or Jane Elliot or Victoria Wyndham can do subtle.

Subtlety is impressive for someone with "ham" in their name.

replies 473Dec 10, 2017 8:34 AM +00:00

Was that Vicky Wyndham who played "Large Marge" in Pee Wee's Big Adventure?

Found on Google from
replies 474Dec 10, 2017 8:39 AM +00:00

Isn't r474 hiLARious?

replies 475Dec 10, 2017 8:46 AM +00:00

Would Wyndham wanted to have a taken on a role that Bev was popular in? Didn't they have a rivalry for top dog on AW?

replies 476Dec 10, 2017 8:48 AM +00:00
Again I say: Dusay was great in her first go-round. It was later that she became over the top. Partly because of the writing, and partly because Dusay emphasized the humor in Alex and made her a joke.

When Paul Rauch fired Marj Dusay she had said her role towards the end go sot repetitious that the only two things her character said was "Amanda is a whore" and "Boys don't fight". She said she was throwing comedy into the part because the writing was getting so uneven.

replies 477Dec 10, 2017 8:49 AM +00:00

Another problem with reacting Alex was that not a whole lot of actresses wanted to relocate to NYC. For the lack of roles for older women, this would of been a huge change in lifestyle for some of these actresses. Which is why some like Constance Towers and Marla Adams wouldn't consider the part. Even if Louise Sorel was free (she was doing DAYS) she said she would never go back to NYC. So the choices were kind of limited, but still many did line up for the part

replies 478Dec 10, 2017 8:52 AM +00:00

I wonder how Mary Beth Peil would have worked as Alex.

--Dawson Leary
replies 479Dec 10, 2017 8:53 AM +00:00

I loved Lydia Bruce on The Doctors. The actress exuded love and warmth. However, in those scenes as Alex, I don't think she would've worked long term in the role. The role needed someone a little tougher.

replies 480Dec 10, 2017 8:55 AM +00:00

What is even more remarkable about Marj Dusay as Alex in that first is that her son was dying of AIDS. So she made the difficult decision to take the job, because her son encouraged her to do so. He died shortly after she started filming as Alex

replies 481Dec 10, 2017 8:58 AM +00:00

Did he live in NY, R481?

replies 482Dec 10, 2017 9:00 AM +00:00

There's only one actress in daytime who ever mattered. Bow!

2,572 Likes, 54 Comments - Susan Lucci (official) (@therealsusanlucci) on Instagram: “On the way to the event!—Spontaneous photo-shoot with friends!???????????????????????? #chezdaveandsusan…”
replies 483Dec 10, 2017 9:07 AM +00:00

R482 No Mary Dusay son lived in L.A.

replies 484Dec 10, 2017 9:21 AM +00:00

Marj is very is very liberal. I wonder if she still talks to that fundie Lisa Whelchel, or if they even got along.

replies 485Dec 10, 2017 9:23 AM +00:00

Marj better have been liberal. She had the homo son who had the aids.

replies 486Dec 10, 2017 9:29 AM +00:00

Dyan Cannon would have made a great Alexandra. Joan Collins was great in the role also.

replies 487Dec 10, 2017 9:39 AM +00:00

Grant Aleksander's anecdote about Bev's problems with a certain Another World actress... could it be Eyes a Bugging?

The Guiding Light Actors remember their beloved colleague Beverly McKinsey
replies 488Dec 10, 2017 9:42 AM +00:00

Marj Dusay is a Robert Dole supporter because they both hail from Kansas. But who knows if she had a political conversion after her son got sick

replies 489Dec 10, 2017 9:45 AM +00:00

Marj Dusay talks to POZ magazine about her son dying of AIDS

Your son died in 1993. When did you first become involved in AIDS activism?

After his diagnosis, in late 1986. At that time, there was certainly the news about it and everything, but there wasn’t the massive amount of information. So it was pretty scary.

And after the shock of Randy’s diagnosis, what did you do?

I just started to listen to people, went to as many of the seminars as they had at that time, read as much as I could, asked doctors about it. Nobody really had that many answers, and there weren’t that many specialists in Los Angeles. I tried to find women’s and mothers’ support groups. Again, there weren’t that many. The ones I did find were floundering and had no leadership. You’d go and you’d find that you wanted information, you wanted someone to talk to, you wanted consoling. And really the only thing to do was seek it elsewhere. What continues to make me an activist is the attitude people have, the negativity and the rejection that they have for some of their sons or daughters. That, I think, is based on outlandish fear and sometimes embarrassment, and not being able to face it. And the denial and the duplicity of some people really made me angry. It doesn’t do any good to duck your head and say, “It’ll go away.” Although, as a mother, that’s exactly what you wish.

I was working right in Hollywood at that time, and it’s amazing how many people in that liberal community were fearful. The parents who turned away their children I thought were abominable. Still do.

Describe your work with Project Angel Food, which provides daily meals for people living with HIV/AIDS and other illnesses.

It was a great place for me to go to be able to do something hands-on. Not a PR thing. This was something where I had to go down there and mingle with the people and chop the food and package the food and be right there. It was a very cheerful group. These people wanted to do that. It meant a lot to me.

It is a way for somebody like me who’d been on television and done soaps and movies; it is a way for me to get down there and get lost in what’s real.

How has AIDS activism and advocacy changed your life?

Well, it made me face some reality. I know the last year was very difficult with Randy. Fortunately, he didn’t really become hospitalized until about the last three and a half weeks of his life. And unfortunately, combination therapy for him at that time just didn’t work. I think if you’re that caring person that stays close to it, you go through hell. But then, my God, I gave him such beautiful support. And other friends and relatives were so supportive. And I was very happy and proud that they were those kinds of people.

What advice could you give our readers?

You have to have the strength to live through it and say, at the end, at least you made it as good as it could be. And try to make it as good as it could be. And also, stay close to people in support groups. I think they’re much more sophisticated these days. There’s more information now; I think there are more choices.

replies 490Dec 10, 2017 9:50 AM +00:00

What is she wearing?
replies 491Dec 10, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00

Damn, I love Marj! God bless her for going through what she did.

She just wasn't Alex to me.

replies 492Dec 10, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00

R491, an awful oversized wedding gown to disguise her real life pregnancy.

This was for her wedding to Kyle, interrupted by Maeve, who revealed that Ben was her and Kyle's son and for some reason Kyle had the baby taken away and given to social services.

Reva walked out on Kyle; some bad guys ran her over and Josh found her.

In the hospital as she's coming to, Roxie says to HB, she keeps calling out his name. HB: Damn that Kyle!

Roxie: No, HB. She's calling for Josh!

And it was on again.

replies 493Dec 10, 2017 10:35 AM +00:00

In the grand scheme of things who was the greatest leading lady of GL?

A. Reva

B. Leslie

C. Rita

D. Nola

E. Beth

replies 494Dec 10, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00


Thank you for that.

I did not know, until reading several years later, about Marj Dusay having lost her son to AIDS.

I appreciate having read this.

replies 495Dec 10, 2017 10:47 AM +00:00

I loved Hunt Block as Ben and the way he sucked his teeth before speaking. He used to be the voice of CVS commercials. I'd know that voice anywhere.

replies 496Dec 10, 2017 11:21 AM +00:00

Ben and India were a missed opportunity. They could have merged, fought for power, betrayed each other....

TPTB not tapping into Mary Kay Adams back in the late 90s when she wanted to return remains a mystery.

replies 497Dec 10, 2017 11:23 AM +00:00


Who's in that commercial?
replies 498Dec 10, 2017 11:24 AM +00:00

R481 I wrote to Marj a few months after she came to GL, when she did a Soap Weekly interview and talked about Randy. She sent me a nice note back.

As for the other Alex choices....there was a list in either Weekly or Digest shortly after McKinsey's departure. (I still remember where I was when I read that she was leaving!) It had either ten or twelve names. I seem to remember that Robin Strasser, who was not yet back on OLTL, was one of the names. (Vicky Wyndham was not, as she was still playing Rachel.)

replies 499Dec 10, 2017 1:01 PM +00:00

I smell rotting cunt.

Oh, look, it's R483.

replies 500Dec 10, 2017 1:03 PM +00:00

R494 You could also add Harley to that list, possibly Olivia.

And the answer would be: Whoever that viewer connected to, in whatever era they watched the show.

I remain as always.....

replies 501Dec 10, 2017 1:04 PM +00:00

The Kimmer covertly blasted Ehler's in her book.

replies 502Dec 10, 2017 1:10 PM +00:00

Maybe the actress Bev had the problem with was Geraldine Court when they were both on AW? I think Vicky W and Bev always got along.

replies 503Dec 10, 2017 3:00 PM +00:00

Yes, I have always read and heard that VW and BM got along well, but I'm sure as with any co-worker there may have been issues that crept up from time to time.

replies 504Dec 10, 2017 3:26 PM +00:00

Geri Court was a very professional actress. I doubt Bev would've had an issue with her. Plus, I always assumed it was someone younger. My money is on Laura Malone.

replies 505Dec 10, 2017 3:31 PM +00:00

I remember hearing that it wasn't so much that Wyndham and McKinsey didn't get along....more that their working relationship was just a bit strained for a time.

One, because they were in story together A. LOT.

And then two, after the 90 minute show came to be, they were both run ragged.

But it was not a personal animosity.

replies 506Dec 10, 2017 3:59 PM +00:00

If I remember correctly, Bev and Vicky barely interacted in the 90-minute version. I think they worked on alternate days.

replies 507Dec 10, 2017 4:01 PM +00:00

True, R507, which I think fed into the whole feud thing.

They could only be written into scenes once a week, or once every 8 show days, I think? Because of their guarantees and the budget.

replies 508Dec 10, 2017 4:06 PM +00:00

I think the idea for the 90-minute show was to have at least one of them appear in every episode, thus the alternate work days.

replies 509Dec 10, 2017 4:24 PM +00:00
They could only be written into scenes once a week, or once every 8 show days, I think?

Oops, I meant written together into a scene. Which, when the thrust of the show was Rachel vs Iris, weakened the impact of that story.

replies 510Dec 10, 2017 4:40 PM +00:00

I image the AW actress that smirked at the end of scenes who was also set to win the war at the end of storyline was Gail Brown who played Clarice. Iris went after Clarice because Clarice was pregnant with Robert Delany's baby. Gail was young and brand new on the show when they pitted Iris against Clarice.

replies 511Dec 10, 2017 5:57 PM +00:00

There IS an actual AW thread, just so's you know.

A new thread continued from this thread, for ORD and BNSD (and TEORC).
the DataLounge
replies 512Dec 10, 2017 6:10 PM +00:00

Geri Court loved eating my pussy. Just to stay on topic.

--Marsha Clark
replies 513Dec 10, 2017 6:15 PM +00:00

One of the more unusual episodes of GL, which includes both (a) a stage of male beauty contestants and (b) Lesley Ann apparently crossing the Rainbow Bridge....

Lesley Ann and Hilary are in Cedars suffering from the Dreaming Death. Despite Jim & Clare's efforts, Lesley Ann dies. Ross tells Alexandra her son is in Spr...
replies 514Dec 10, 2017 6:21 PM +00:00

R514, for some reason I think this episode-- Reva hosting the hunk of Springfield contest -- was on her Emmy reel; I think in the next episode Reva and Josh had a knockdown drag out in her condo, that was on her reel, too.

replies 515Dec 10, 2017 6:39 PM +00:00

Why did Kobe and Long get rid of Jennifer and Amanda so quickly? I think they were ridden out of town before mousy Eve Stapleton, who appears in the opening credits until the disco theme is discontinued.

replies 516Dec 10, 2017 6:44 PM +00:00

Beth Ehlers now works as a paramedic in suburban Long Island.

Stephanie Gatschet is a hostess at the Bristol, Connecticut Olive Garden.

replies 517Dec 10, 2017 6:50 PM +00:00
Damn, I love Marj! God bless her for going through what she did. She just wasn't Alex to me.

Ironic how what worked for her the role of Monica Warner on The Facts of Life, also a recast from an actress who looked more like she could have been Lisa Whelchel's mother, didn't seem to translate to the role of Alexandra Spaulding.

replies 518Dec 10, 2017 7:01 PM +00:00
Why did Kobe and Long get rid of Jennifer and Amanda so quickly?

I'm guessing either a network decision or they were let go to free up money for others.

replies 519Dec 10, 2017 7:16 PM +00:00

Wouldn't Elizabeth Hubbard have been a great Alexandra?

replies 520Dec 10, 2017 8:09 PM +00:00

Agree that Judith McConnell would have been a great Alexandra. Santa Barbara had just been canceled, so she was free. Did Jill Phelps not like her-they worked together for years on Santa Barbara?

Or what about Nancy Addison?

replies 521Dec 10, 2017 8:15 PM +00:00

Kobe told Schemering for this GL 50th book that it was a mistake to lose all the Bauers one after another...

I think Charita would have been kept had she lived (though I heard an awful story she was taken off contract shortly before she died, but who knows if that's true).

I was surprised when Kathleen Cullen came back as Amanda for a few shows at the end of 1987 that she didn't stick around. Vanessa left for 18 months around this time, and Amanda certainly could have been used more in Phillip's take over scheme.

I would have liked to have seen more organic returns over the years at GL. When Maureen died, Clarie should have come back to help raise Michelle.

Also, Hope should have come back to Springfield when Alan-Michael had been shot, and also again when Maureen died. Elvera Roussel would have been a perfect choice to take over the Bauer matriarch role, a 'talk to' for the kids when they needed someone to speak to for advice.

replies 522Dec 10, 2017 8:19 PM +00:00

R514, I'm *loving* the fact that places like Spaulding Enterprises, Bauer Legal Services and Lewis Oil were contributing hunks for the pageant. What was the dynamic between Reva and H.B. at this time? Was he a sugar daddy willing to have some fun?

replies 523Dec 10, 2017 8:44 PM +00:00

R523, I think the dynamic among Josh, Reva and HB is that Josh wanted Reva to be responsible and couldn't get past her not growing up; things may have escalated if he found out that Alan paid Reva to break up Billy and Vanessa, not sure.

But Reva saw HB as someone who accepted her for who she was, and she felt Josh couldn't do that. That led Reva to marry HB; Josh flew off and got in a car wreck and Reva did her best to nurse him back. After months of him berating her, she finally lost it at Vanessa's party and jumped into the fountain.

There's a lot more to it, but it's been over 30 years.

replies 524Dec 10, 2017 9:20 PM +00:00

Gail Kobe was a lesbian. Didn’t she want Geraldine Court to stay so that they could bump pussies?

replies 525Dec 10, 2017 11:45 PM +00:00

Kobe and Long are always blamed for the Bauer exodus, but CBS pushed heavily for that, as far back as the beginning of Luke and Laura. They wanted to "hip" up both GL and ATWT.

Marland fought it, and had some success doing so, since he'd been part of the initial rise at GH. But Kobe and Long had to adhere more closely to CBS' mandates. And P&G wanted whatever would keep the network happy, so......

replies 526Dec 11, 2017 7:07 AM +00:00

Rauch had said also that the network wanted to marginalize the Bauers, although by the time he took over they pretty much were on the periphery. I remember him making a statement, something to the effect that as long as he's in charge, there will always be at least one character with the last name "Bauer."

replies 527Dec 11, 2017 7:15 AM +00:00

Victoria Wyndham should have left Another World in the early 90s and taken over Bev's role on GL.

replies 528Dec 11, 2017 8:11 AM +00:00

Vicky had already been on GL years earlier as Charlotte Waring Bauer, so her taking on Alex would've been too jarring for viewers.

replies 529Dec 11, 2017 8:14 AM +00:00

Where's the son you've ever given him?
replies 530Dec 11, 2017 8:18 AM +00:00

r530, Victoria should have taken over Alex Spaulding and got back in touch with her early 70s bitch. Something really weird happened to her on Another World in the late 90s, she became this spaced out personality wearing flowing white robes.

replies 531Dec 11, 2017 8:20 AM +00:00

Since Maeve Kincaid's Vanessa had done a 'Rachel Cory' and turned from villainess to moral compass, the early 90s would have been perfect for Wyndham to switch to GL and take on the Alex role. It's a shame nobody thought to ask her.... she had nothing much to do on AW by the 90s.

replies 532Dec 11, 2017 8:22 AM +00:00

I would've killed to see Connie Ford's take on Alex.

replies 533Dec 11, 2017 8:23 AM +00:00

Frank Beaty aka the evil Marian Crane, in a UK commercial here.

This is a commercial Frank did for the UK in 1994, shortly before landing his role as Brent/Marian on Guiding Light. This was a big campaign for this UK prod...
replies 534Dec 11, 2017 8:24 AM +00:00

Poor AW; it lost all its history. Even though the Bauers were decimated the end still had Ed, Rick, and Michelle.

ATWT had Bob, Kim, Lisa, John all in the last episode.

But AW had lost ALL its history save Rachel.

SAM GROOM one of the actors who played Russ Matthews played the officiator at Lila and Cass' wedding.

It's too bad AW didn't do what Ryan's Hope did in its final weeks and bring back a slew of people: Iris, Pat, Alice, Jamie...

We got Rachel touching a pic of Ada in the finale. That was the best part.

replies 535Dec 11, 2017 8:27 AM +00:00

Playing a serial killer in drag is a headache...

This is a commercial Frank did for Excedrin in early 1996. I almost forgot about this, until he mentioned it to me tonight. I knew I had it on one of my 1996...
replies 536Dec 11, 2017 8:31 AM +00:00

Was Springfield supposed to be some lazy, flyover suburb? The only time it ever felt that way was the brief period that Pam Long was HW before she brought on all the Lewises.

replies 537Dec 11, 2017 8:47 AM +00:00

AW fared really bad at the end.

GL had shitty sets but at the very end we had a number of characters we loved, acting as we remembered them (Vanessa, Billy, Phillip, Nola, Bridget).

replies 538Dec 11, 2017 8:54 AM +00:00

I hate Chris Goutman. He completely ruined the endings of AW and ATWT.

replies 539Dec 11, 2017 8:57 AM +00:00

Nola in Company in the last episode of Guiding Light killed me.

replies 540Dec 11, 2017 11:26 AM +00:00

Frank Beaty had a hard onfor Rick Hearst. Toobad that Rick didn’t swing that way. Could’ve been hot!

replies 541Dec 11, 2017 11:30 AM +00:00

That's not the story I heard, r541.

replies 542Dec 11, 2017 11:36 AM +00:00

Louise Shaffer (Ryan's Hope) & Maree Cheatham (Search for Tomorrow) would of been good recasts for the part of Alexandra, Wonder why Jill Farren Phelps never considered Louise Shaffer?

replies 543Dec 11, 2017 11:49 AM +00:00

what percentage of stories we hear about presumably straight married actors being gay or having sex with guys on the side are true?




replies 544Dec 11, 2017 11:50 AM +00:00

Uh, Rick and Frank Beaty had a hot and heavy affair. There was no "hots for". That shit was LIVE.

It was also part of why Frank lost his shit on set. He was in love with a married man.

replies 545Dec 11, 2017 1:45 PM +00:00
would of been good recasts

It's not would of, you dumb box of hair! It's WOULD HAVE!

replies 546Dec 11, 2017 1:46 PM +00:00

Rick Hearst has never dabbled in the homosex. Dream on bitches. His son, on the other hand.......

replies 547Dec 11, 2017 1:48 PM +00:00

I'm sorry, even if you were credible (which you aren't) using more than three periods in an ellipsis marks you as boob.

replies 548Dec 11, 2017 1:50 PM +00:00

I miss these shows (from their heydays) especially at Christmas.

My family doesn't show much emotion. One of the our parents died very early in our lives and that just sent things down a shitty path ever since then.

We roll our eyes at each other; we have no patience, no love.

It's why I'd like to visit the Bauers and see Bert welcome folks to her home while Mike or Kelly sang.

The contrast with the Spauldings and how cold they were was such great drama.

The Hugheses was another great family to watch on these shows during the holidays.

Poor, Lily, though. Three trees in that mansion and a mother who was too busy to love her.

replies 549Dec 11, 2017 2:10 PM +00:00

I've never once in my life said oh, Jill Phelps is helming a show I can't WAIT to start watching it! the way I would other producers and/or writers.

She did what everyone in this business does and she hires her friends or people she's worked with before. that's why we saw a mini (maxi?) Santa Barbara rush of actors come on to GL -- Marj, Justin, Marcy, and in lesser roles that guy who played Bunny and the woman who played George and the woman named Christopher Bradley or Bradley Christopher.

I don't think she's ever gone onto a show and said, 'let's dig back into the vault and see what we can mine.'

She's not a bad person, I just don't think she's a great producer, but she gets the budget in on time, makes friends with the right people and wins Emmys.

replies 550Dec 11, 2017 3:52 PM +00:00
The Hugheses was another great family to watch on these shows during the holidays.

At least a couple of times each December I hear Kim telling me "Kiddo, this is my FAVORITE time of year." Of course, since she was a fictional character, she never had to put up with Slavation Army bellringers when she went grocery shopping. I don't either this year. I am completely avoiding that supermarket this December.

replies 551Dec 11, 2017 3:56 PM +00:00

Christmas was a season I loved during the Long-written years of GL. There was always a nice scene with Saint Nick.

Saw this on a soap blog last week and it made me verklempt.

The last scene. WRECKED ME. Wrecked. Me.

The first few minutes are missing due to a special report
replies 552Dec 11, 2017 4:28 PM +00:00

R552 Kvell

replies 553Dec 11, 2017 4:33 PM +00:00

r552 I'm starting to cry at 7:00.

replies 554Dec 11, 2017 4:36 PM +00:00

r549, your post touched me. This is for you:

replies 555Dec 11, 2017 4:40 PM +00:00

r555, Meryl Streep should have guest starred on GL as Hope in the 90s for one of those Bauer Christmases (as a favour to Maeve!). I think Meryl and Ron Raines could have done some good work.

replies 556Dec 11, 2017 4:42 PM +00:00

Shut up Serial asshole nutjob.

replies 557Dec 11, 2017 4:46 PM +00:00

I think Louise Shaffer had switched over mostly to writing by 1992-93.

replies 558Dec 11, 2017 5:15 PM +00:00

Here's some tissues, R553 and R554.

replies 559Dec 11, 2017 5:42 PM +00:00
Meryl Streep should have guest starred on GL

That comment gets no more clever, no funnier and no more interesting, no matter how many times you repeat it, dear.

And yet, I remain truly yours,

replies 560Dec 11, 2017 5:44 PM +00:00

r560, YOU BITCH! If it's good enough for Joan, it's good enough for Meryl!

replies 561Dec 11, 2017 5:46 PM +00:00

That’s the moronic asshole Serial stupid who goes on about Meryl. He’s got mental issues. His own family had him committed for 60 days. They all hate him. They only let him out because they don’t want to pay for him to be in the mental hospital. He’s not worth it.

--Love Matthra & Spicen
replies 562Dec 11, 2017 5:47 PM +00:00

Thank you, R559. All my people were still alive then, and they were blonds.

Wrong show, I know, but you take me away.

replies 563Dec 11, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

The last scene wrecked me, too, r559. Beth. Ah, Beth.

replies 564Dec 11, 2017 5:54 PM +00:00

Oh, I get it, R563. All of my people were still here then, too.

R564 It just makes me sob, every time.

replies 565Dec 11, 2017 5:57 PM +00:00

I really miss these shows around the holidays too. Especially GL, ATWT, and AMC. These three in particular pulled out all the stops for the holidays, with a real emphasis on family and returning cast members. Anyone remember the 20-minute closing credits that AMC did for Christmas each year, where they listed everyone down to the security guards and the food delivery guys? I LIVED for that every year. Seems like such a bygone era.

replies 566Dec 11, 2017 6:01 PM +00:00

That's what r552's Guiding Light episode has (since you liked GL). Check it out.

The first few minutes are missing due to a special report
replies 567Dec 11, 2017 6:03 PM +00:00

I miss Steve Hardy reading 'Twas the Night Before Christmas to all the kiddie patients at General Hospital.

replies 568Dec 12, 2017 1:59 AM +00:00

The guy from Family Feud used to read TTNBC?

replies 569Dec 12, 2017 4:45 AM +00:00

r569. that's Steve Harvey.

Steve Hardy was the chief of staff at General Hospital in Port Charles, NY. Played by original cast member John Bernadino.

replies 570Dec 12, 2017 5:29 AM +00:00

Sorry. I really read that has Steve Harvey.

replies 571Dec 12, 2017 5:36 AM +00:00

If I recall, the year John Bernadino died, they began with Alan/Stuart Damon reading, then gradually faded to Steve/John as a sort of one last time gesture.

replies 572Dec 12, 2017 5:38 AM +00:00

Why would Adam/Stuart have done the reading? Is it the year Skye moved from Pine Valley to Port Charles? I'm drawing a blank here.

replies 573Dec 12, 2017 5:56 AM +00:00

I wish Josh Lewis would read me a Christmas story.

My head against his furry chest, while he wears nothing but an overstuffed jockstrap.

Tell me more, Daddy......

replies 574Dec 12, 2017 6:00 AM +00:00

You do realize that Robert Newman is 70 and over the hill. The Josh you want to rest your head on is hearkening back to 1984.

replies 575Dec 12, 2017 6:05 AM +00:00

He's actually 59, and yes, his finest days may be behind him, but he still looks good....and looked damn good at 50.

replies 576Dec 12, 2017 6:15 AM +00:00

Richard Van Vleet was an underrated Ed Bauer. He had the type of leading man looks and charisma that ugly, dull as dishwater Peter Simon never had. The writing sucked when Van Vleet was playing the role, so that was his downfall. Plus he had little chemistry with dyky Dolan or with boring Parker. It should've worked.

replies 577Dec 12, 2017 6:16 AM +00:00

We need a new thread soon, my precious ones.

I remain, ever yours -

replies 578Dec 12, 2017 8:28 AM +00:00

Who was the slut of Springfield before Reva? Rita?

replies 579Dec 12, 2017 8:33 AM +00:00

R555, thank you.

It has not been entirely horrible. I'm a sensitive guy though and I know how families CAN be, and mine wasn't.

This year, however, will be particularly difficult.

replies 580Dec 12, 2017 8:35 AM +00:00

R579, yes.

Yes, it was Rita.

--Bert Bauer
replies 581Dec 12, 2017 8:36 AM +00:00

Rita made the rounds.

replies 582Dec 12, 2017 8:37 AM +00:00

go to 17:03 to see what Bert thought of Rita

The Guiding Plight - Marsha Clark This "Guiding Light" parody was written and produced by actress/writer Marsha Clark, who played Hillary Bauer on the popula...
replies 583Dec 12, 2017 8:49 AM +00:00

The real punchline there is at 20:30. I almost pissed myself the first time I heard it.

replies 584Dec 12, 2017 9:03 AM +00:00

Charita made acting look easy. She could do comedy as well as drama.

replies 585Dec 12, 2017 9:06 AM +00:00

Yeah but could she hop on one leg while reciting the Declaration of Independence?

replies 586Dec 12, 2017 9:57 AM +00:00

Bert didn’t have a leg to stand on in the scenes with Rita.

replies 587Dec 12, 2017 10:04 AM +00:00
I think Charita would have been kept had she lived (though I heard an awful story she was taken off contract shortly before she died, but who knows if that's true).

I can believe it. It happened to me.

--Anna Lee's ghost
replies 588Dec 12, 2017 10:12 AM +00:00

Well at least Charita and Anna Lee only got taken off contract. I got fired when I got ill.

replies 589Dec 12, 2017 10:17 AM +00:00

We can't have Roger as a whizzened (sp?) old man!

replies 590Dec 12, 2017 10:21 AM +00:00

wizened, R590.

replies 591Dec 12, 2017 10:22 AM +00:00

I was kept on contract until the day I died, even though I made exactly one appearance in the five years before my death. Thank you, Brian Frons!

--Ruthie Warrick
replies 592Dec 12, 2017 10:55 AM +00:00

I seriously doubt Charita Bauer was taken off contract. But what floors me is that Eileen Fulton (ATWT) could go FOUR MONTHS without even making an on-air appearance. This despite being on contract and getting a two episode guarantee.For some strange reason Chris Goutman didn't want to use her. Even weeks up to the shows cancellation, Eileen Fulton was nowhere to be seen. And only made an appearance on the last episode, where she had nothing to do but observe John & Lucinda together in the hotel lobby.

It was also a shame that Chris Goutman couldn't tap Kathleen Widdoes (Emma Snyder) to be on the final show. They had her make her final appearance a month before the shows cancellation (she left town with Meg)

replies 593Dec 12, 2017 11:14 AM +00:00

Goutman also couldn't bring himself to fire Scott Holmes for some reason, though he hated seeing him on air too. I told a friend of mine with access to tell him to fire Scott and hire someone else because the character was more important than the actor. (I even suggested he bring back Gregg Marx.)

replies 594Dec 12, 2017 11:18 AM +00:00

Fulton angered someone, I think because she complained about the show. Rubbing salt in the wound was replacing her with Carmen Duncan for a few episodes. Finally, Lisa was getting back to back appearances after barely appearing for ages, but Eileen had some scheduling conflict, so they went and got Duncan to fill in.

replies 595Dec 12, 2017 11:19 AM +00:00

If it were 1989, I'd be watching Guiding Light right now.

replies 596Dec 12, 2017 11:20 AM +00:00

Soaps never were soapier than GL in the 1980s and early 1990s, then it all washed away.

And here is my surround version in 5.1. Stereo listening doesn't sound well.
replies 597Dec 12, 2017 11:22 AM +00:00

Goutman was very good friends with Scott Holmes and CZP from their acting days.

replies 598Dec 12, 2017 11:22 AM +00:00

If they were such good friends it remains a mystery why he never gave Tom anything remotely like a story. Maybe Holmes just didn't care and was happy running his gym.

replies 599Dec 12, 2017 11:27 AM +00:00

Fulton kept plugging up the toilet at the studio. They couldn’t afford the plumbing bills so they made her stay home and plug up her own toilet. P.S. You never wamted to go into the bathroom after Eileen was in there. Pee you!!

replies 600Dec 12, 2017 11:27 AM +00:00