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Grammys: So Black & Fem

It still won't be enough, until Whitey is dead.

From Frank Sinatra in the 1960s to Paul Simon in the 1970s to U2 in the 1980s, ’90s and early 2000s, one set of musicians has long had reason to
replies 57Nov 28, 2017 7:20 AM +00:00

Just scanned through the list and am happily officially old. So not my music.

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You can look at these nods as a determined effort to repair the Grammys’ reputation, which in recent years has been badly damaged by case after case of important black artists being overlooked in favor of less-significant white acts. Think of Beyoncé losing album of the year to Beck. Or Lamar losing best rap album to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis. Or Beyoncé losing album of the year — again — to Adele, who in her acceptance speech at this year’s ceremony basically tried to correct the academy, saying she couldn’t take the award from the singer responsible for “Lemonade.”

So are these awards based on quality or *importance*, whatever that means? Because all those winners make better music than the losers.

replies 2Nov 28, 2017 7:57 AM +00:00

Kendrick Lamar is musically better than Macklemore. No credible person would say otherwise. Macklemore even essentially says it.

replies 3Nov 28, 2017 8:10 AM +00:00
Or Lamar losing best rap album to Macklemore & Ryan Lewis.

The travesty of the century. The Grammys may never recover from that.

replies 4Nov 28, 2017 8:16 AM +00:00

The GOP, so white and trashy.

They won’t stop until the whole world is a racist pig sty at war.

replies 5Nov 28, 2017 8:21 AM +00:00

Good nominations

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Great to see Childish Gambino nominated

replies 7Nov 28, 2017 8:51 AM +00:00

You better be union if ya' wanna work in this town, R3
replies 8Nov 28, 2017 9:19 AM +00:00

Glad to see Ed Sheeran snubbed except for 2 noms in the Pop category. His Divide album was a snooze fest and inferior to his last album. I expect Taylor Swift's Reputation album to receive similar treatment next year.

replies 9Nov 28, 2017 9:19 AM +00:00

who the fuck cares

replies 10Nov 28, 2017 9:26 AM +00:00

Clearly nobody since there are only 10 responses here, including two of mine. Grammies lost steam long ago. Probably right after Lennon and Ono won theirs after he'd been killed.

replies 11Nov 28, 2017 10:31 AM +00:00

Are Selena Gomez’ “Bad Liar” song and video that unimpressive? I adore both, but no love from the VMAs, AMAs and now, the Grammys. Clearly, the answer is yes; however, I am looking for an explanation from folks who know music.

replies 12Nov 28, 2017 10:46 AM +00:00

It is going to be interesting to see what the ratings look like. I thought I read a few years ago the rock and pop still outsell rap and hip hop, but I could be wrong or that could gave been a few years ago. Anyone up to date on that?

replies 13Nov 28, 2017 11:18 AM +00:00

I ain’t watching this shitshow.

replies 14Nov 28, 2017 11:33 AM +00:00

My old music lovin' heart weeps.

replies 15Nov 28, 2017 11:38 AM +00:00

Yeah, I'm one of those that lived for pop music once upon a time. And the Grammies would reflect that, at least some of the time (see "Graceland", Madonna's "Ray of Light", etc.) Now the only one I own on that entire list is Lana del Rey's "Lust for Life" and I am amazed to see it there.

replies 16Nov 28, 2017 1:01 PM +00:00

This will be the first Grammy telecast I skip in almost 50 years. I guess I'm officially over the hills. Way, way over.

replies 17Nov 28, 2017 1:46 PM +00:00

R7 Agreed! Couldn't be mothafuckin' happier dat Childish Gambinos gotz nominaterd! Hell to the mothafuckin' yeah! Fuck dem white bitches, we gonna get back what dey donez by winning dey awards! Hahaha white hoez don'ts even knows!
replies 18Nov 28, 2017 1:51 PM +00:00
It is going to be interesting to see what the ratings look like. I thought I read a few years ago the rock and pop still outsell rap and hip hop, but I could be wrong or that could gave been a few years ago. Anyone up to date on that?

Rap officially surpassed Pop this year to become the most popular music genre. Pop is now #2.

replies 19Nov 28, 2017 2:08 PM +00:00

Hip hop rules the charts and radio. Cool

replies 20Nov 28, 2017 2:09 PM +00:00

Gaga! Nominations for “Joanne” and “Million Reasons.” Hopefully she will perform at the ceremony.

replies 21Nov 28, 2017 2:21 PM +00:00

fuck the grammys

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I like a few of the songs but most of it is repetitive garbage.

replies 23Nov 28, 2017 2:25 PM +00:00

I'm so clever!

Won't someone please SHIT IN MY MOUTH????

--Racist at R18
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I'm surprised that Harry Styles got zero nominations when he was clearly trying to get some with his album. I guess he didn't make a big enough splash.

Glad that Shawn Mendes was snubbed again with his trash music.

replies 25Nov 28, 2017 2:29 PM +00:00

The Grammys mean very little these days but I still like pretending they're important.

I'm really happy Kesha scored a couple of noms. She sang the living shit out of 'Praying' and deserves to win Best Pop Vocal Performance.

Album of the Year is guaranteed to go to Kendrick, who most think should have won over Tay Tay's '1989.'

R9 Nah. She's a shoe-in for Album of the Year on sales and reviews alone, and by extension Best Pop Album. Not sure how future singles will fare but I don't see 'Look What You Made Me Do' getting any love.

replies 26Nov 28, 2017 2:49 PM +00:00

Do you find Negros threatening, OP?

Because it sure sounds like you do.

replies 27Nov 28, 2017 3:04 PM +00:00

I’ll skip this year.

replies 28Nov 28, 2017 3:20 PM +00:00

Harry Styles should have been nominated for Album of the Year... Bastards!

replies 29Nov 28, 2017 3:22 PM +00:00

So many NO talents nominated this year.

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Rap sucks my donkey dick.

replies 31Nov 28, 2017 3:25 PM +00:00

Ed Sheeran's Shape of You should have been nominated for either song of the year or record of the year, maybe both.

replies 32Nov 28, 2017 3:28 PM +00:00

Totally agree

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Ha ha Despacito will never ever die

replies 34Nov 28, 2017 3:58 PM +00:00

r12, Julia Michaels wrote that song and is a ghost singer for Selena. Julia was rewarded by getting a BNA nom and a nom for her other song "Issues". It is well known in the industry Selena Gomez doesn't actually sing on her albums, it is Michaels or Charli XCX and there is another girl for her newer song.

replies 35Nov 28, 2017 4:16 PM +00:00

What about the Latin Grammy's. Who's up for Gangsta of the Year?

replies 36Nov 28, 2017 4:31 PM +00:00

Thank God there are still movies. You can have the Grammys but leave my goddam Oscars alone.

replies 37Nov 28, 2017 5:02 PM +00:00

It’s just a matter of time until Superheroes and Cartoons completely take over the Oscars like they’ve taken over the box office.

Everything is shit.

replies 38Nov 28, 2017 5:06 PM +00:00

Y’all are so old and uncool. Unreal

replies 39Nov 28, 2017 5:17 PM +00:00

R39 LOL. Like all you whippersnappers think the Grammys are cool. Go back to your fucking MTV Music Awards and leave the rest of us to our Tony Bennetts and Percy Faiths. Fucking jive ass turkeys!

--The Duke
replies 40Nov 28, 2017 6:00 PM +00:00

Thanks R35. I had no idea!

replies 41Nov 28, 2017 6:36 PM +00:00

The article and author are insufferable. Mikael Wood is as arrogant as any quasi-journalist out there. There aren't differing opinions; he's right. And so fashionable to declare that Beyonce is God -- when her albums and songs have piles of writers and musicians. She's got some talent, but fair play to people who think better of the performers who write their songs, play instruments.

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Lana is nominated!!! Yay!

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And so fashionable to declare that Beyonce is God -- when her albums and songs have piles of writers and musicians. She's got some talent, but fair play to people who think better of the performers who write their songs, play instruments.I

R42 thinks Doris Day, Frank Sinatra, Rosemary Clooney, Whitney Houston, and Bing Crosby were undeserving hacks.

--Because they neither wrote nor played instruments. Just like Beyonce.
replies 44Nov 28, 2017 7:28 PM +00:00

Will #GrammysSoBlack be trending? I'm joking but, honestly, blacks only make up 13% of the population in the country so why isn't it strange when they get way more than 13% of the award nominations? I'm not forgetting that black people are treated like shit and have a ton of stuff going against them in America but, right now, I'm just talking about award percentages and the strange idea that if a group that represents 13% of the population gets anything less than 50-60% of the award noms, it's because everyone is racist.

replies 45Nov 28, 2017 7:58 PM +00:00

R45 I don't think so simply because American music is essentially black music.

--Chuck Berry 6 feet under.
replies 46Nov 28, 2017 9:47 PM +00:00

Are American movies essentially black movies? #oscarssowhite

replies 47Nov 29, 2017 4:49 AM +00:00

You have to wonder if ass-kissing white people like this journalist have considered the fact, that if every position of power and privilege must now go to someone who isn't white, then they will also be getting replaced by people who are more *significant* at some point.

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that if every position of power and privilege must now go to someone who isn't white

Sigh. Straight white males no longer being in charge of everything is not an attack on white people. No one is trying to commit genocide to the "white race" dear.

Just relax and take a breather from alt-right propaganda.

replies 49Nov 29, 2017 12:13 PM +00:00

So, R49, if we're going from straight while males to non-white people, when do white women get their turn? It's always strange to me that white women get treated as if the privilege of white males has just been completely shared by white women. Some have benefited from being straight, white male adjacent but that came with huge costs to their autonomy and self-actualization as full human beings almost universally until late in the 20th century. In parts of America, women were still considered their father's and then their husband's property until the 1970s and were not considered legally able to do anything. Even her children were the husband's property. Everyone should just be aware of that when discussing racial and sex dynamics.

replies 50Nov 29, 2017 3:11 PM +00:00

Yes, R50. My mother never forgave Hudson's Department store from taking her credit card away when she married in the 60s. And that was just the small stuff.

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R51, I bet almost no one in America realizes that stuff was going on so recently. It's why I get so angry when women are just included in the privileged class simply because they're white.

replies 52Nov 29, 2017 9:36 PM +00:00

Black music is often the majority of what’s hot and popular

replies 53Nov 30, 2017 4:28 AM +00:00

R53 kind of like their cocks?

replies 54Nov 30, 2017 4:29 AM +00:00

Yes, R52. If white women are as privileged across the board as third wavers claim, there would be no reason for them to engage in entryism as they do, or in fact claim feminism at all. They would just organize as poc or trans people or sex workers. Instead they push the cognitive dissonance of "no shared girlhood" and demanding that white women simultaneously see themselves as irredeemable oppressors and sharing interests with trans-identified males and woc. The mind games remind me of fundie churches - they gaslight and guilt-trip the people without whom their organizations cannot function, as a majority of western women are white.

replies 55Nov 30, 2017 11:54 AM +00:00

It doesn't have to make sense. It only has to manipulate well-meaning saps to cater to them.

replies 56Dec 7, 2017 6:09 AM +00:00

nope r49 — there is unquestionably a retributive vein to millennial POC activism. They are angry and they want to see heads roll in name of collective justice even if it means individuals suffer injustices. Be sure to check out recent scandal at university of Texas. student paper published an op ed that asserted that white death was only way to “our liberation.” Oh in case anyone thought this was a metaphor for white identity op ed made it clear that the problem was “white dna.” So no. There are intersectional activists who do want to kill whites.

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