I think it is and I predict and above all HOPE that victims continue to expose these predators.
I think it is and I predict and above all HOPE that victims continue to expose these predators.
Feels like it.
Didn’t think this would ever come.
R1 I think we've, overall, reached a breaking point as a society.
Truths will be spilling forth at an alarming rate.
I feel like it's only the ones that are the absolute worst offenders that everyone already knows about. These are habitual compulsive offenders - which really is the tip of the iceberg - just the most visual and obvious part above water.
But it's kind of amazing to me that it did go on for so long with everybody playing along. Disgusting - I don't feel sorry for the ones exposed - I just don't understand how it got to this point.
I'm kinda tired of this last bastion of older white men in power (over 55 or 60) - in government and otherwise. I want some modern, more advanced/civilized men in power.
Either that or the media will get bored with the story soon and go on to something else.
R4 But that's the thing, there is no "story". There are MANY.
They will do two or three then get bored
R6 If more stars continue to report abuse, they will continue to report it. It $ells and that's what they care about.
I fear that it’ll get treated like any other fad in the media and people will tire and eventually the reporting will be less because no one will care - and so many will just continue to have gotten away with it.
I hope this isn’t the case. But the public is fickle and easily distracted.
Need to see several big names actually being charged and prosecuted. But will it get to that? Fingers crossed!
I almost feel likes it's too much at once, even though it shouldn't be. It's like how people have an irrational dislike of something that "everyone" is gushing about and they're annoyed by the hype more than by the actual thing. I'm already hearing sarcastic comments dismissing all the serious allegations, or attacking the victims, which seem to be based on the theory that there's no way THIS many women could have been victimized. Of course, there is a way, but people don't want to acknowledge that.
I have a feeling there will be a few people like Weinstein who die a firey death in all of this and then there will be a period of extreme posturing/PR/political correctness about the issue and maybe some sleazeballs being more careful for a while, but behind the scenes things will gradually return to "normal."
They will plant a lot of 'no there there' cases like the woman 'assaulted' by GW Bush which will diminish the real stories and place enough doubt for people to not care any more.
When lawsuits and careers are concerned, people will dismiss and not report it.
Look at Bill Cosby - and apparently a lot of people knew about him as well.
Bill Cosby. Where are we with that fucker, anyway?
I tuned out.
We need to be able to separate the real claims from the false ones. There have been so many proven false claims in the last several years, it would be bad if any innocent people get swept along with the guilty.
I think we're going to see a lot more woman in power.
Yes, we have reached a tipping point.
The big difference is that most people now just accept what alleged victims have to say instead of questioning the veracity of their stories.
Kevin Spacey's fans are expressing disappointment on Twitter but I don't really see anyone seriously questioning if he did it. Most of them are like "Sad to know Spacey is a pedo".
As a culture, we are no longer automatically accepting the word of men.
I suspect a backlash is coming, and it won't be pretty.
I wish I could predict what form it will take.
as long as no one outs SS nothing will change
Funny nobody's coming forward with horrible stories about Trump.
The stories have to exist.
R15, there is no backlash coming. Our culture is now just quietly accepting what victims (mostly women) are saying: "Oh, he's a rapist, too? That's a shame". The pushback against accusers is small and sluggish. It's become unacceptable to shush people who are trying to tell their own stories.
Part of this shift is due to the influence of how Millennials view sexual harassment/assault. Significant numbers of Gen X and Gen Y agree with their thinking on this issue.
This has been coming for a long time. The percentage of people who automatically tended to side with the accused (often men) has been slowly dropping over the years and now the tipping point has been reached. The word of men is not automatically accepted anymore. It's now suddenly fine for the alleged abused (often women) to talk as much as they want. Their detractors no longer have the majority on their side.
The Trump allegations were revealed last year.
This shift just happened a few weeks ago.
I think that there could possibly be a backlash coming if men like Anthony Rapp keep alleging that they were/are victims of assault when they are not. Nothing happened, there was no rape, no actual assault, no threats. People will grow tired of those sorts of false allegations but I believe that true victims will be believed from now on.
R21 = Kevin Spacey
Predictable, R22. You're so droll.
From industry whores to attention whores. Such an easy transition.
Better being predictable than excusing a predatory child molester.
People are more connected via twitter. You tell your bad experience with someone and can almost instantly find out a person hundreds of miles away had the exact same experience. Then more people come out and suddenly you are looking at a predator with a long running MO. The wonders of technology.
Good point, r26.
R21 what happened to Rapp does meet the LEGAL definition of sexual assault.
Laypeople might think that only the more extreme forms of sexual assault like rape are valid but the LAW doesn't agree with their opinion.
R18 - you ruin your point by insinuating that Millennials single-handedly are responsible for changing this. They are not - culture and society evolves and the vast majority of the accusers the past few weeks have been Gen X or older.
Stop taking credit or something you didn't do by yourself.
Just expect a lot of innocent people to fall as collateral damage. The longer these sex scandals go one, the likelier they will turn into mass hysterias, and the true victims will be replaced by crazos with tales about, for example, being raped by a former President in a submarine that was heading to Okinawa.
Now Kevin Spacey?
Um. This is not going away.
WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE!! THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO LEAVE RAPISTS ALONE!!! IT'S BETTER FOR ALL THE INNOCENT PEOPLE TO LET THE RAPISTS HAVE THEIR WAY!!!
I hope Singer is next.
The mainstream media isn't really driving this story. They are more interested in Trump. This story is embarrassing for the media because it points out how they colluded with these sex abusers.
Social media is why this story is coming out.
This is like enough to give L&O SUV another 2-3 years material.
Good point, r35.
R35 And I think social media will keep it going. This has turned into a movement.
May these crimes continue to be revealed.
Yes it's too huge at this point.
Dustin Hoffman bites the dust.
I fear that it’ll get treated like any other fad in the media and people will tire
I'm already tired of it.
as long as no one outs SS nothing will change
R45 St3v3n Spi3lb0rg
It's not a story, it's a society on its last legs. This won't last for long. Very glad to see it crumble. Good riddance. And poetic justice, too.
Well played, R46.
this is going the way of the Occupy Wall Street, Arab Spring and Black Lives Matter: a mostly on line movement who galvanizes a lot of people and then disappears off the face of the earth in 3/6 months. The protesters got nothing or very small victories, the people at large forget, the powers that be take note and find a way to keep doing the fuck they want as they always had but maybe in a more cautious way.
I think there's a surge of interest but it will not last . I think companies and maybe Hollywood will put in more policies to protect themselves and their bottom line but eventually interest will wane and we'll go back to the same old same story. And the reason why is because of something that that actress who played the the Goodbye Girl movie said in an NPR interview about predators in Hollywood. Namely that it continued for so long because it works. People who comply got parts and became more successful actors so they're not eager to report the story and buck it , while the ones who didn't were basically run out of the industry.
In Hollywood, it will not go away as long as there are parents willing to look the other way and basically sell out their own kid for stardom or people who actively seek out these predators & molesters in order to get roles.
Actress I was referring to was Quinn Cummings. She wrote an article in Esquire & had interview on NPR about it. She bought up going to Hollywood parties as a child for someone named David who always had shirtless boys around between the ages of 12 and 16.
The thing is, R50, Hollywood will cease to be of interest. It's already nothing like what it was in the 1980s and 1990s, the 1940s and even the 1970s. It will just fade and be replaced by something else.
From the above article with Quinn, this is a telling couple of paragraphs that say we're not in as much of a watershed moment as you may think.
"But the whispers don’t stop with these obvious, public examples. The same women who spoke among themselves about Harvey, about Terry, also speak about well-known actors who are not quite the loving family men their publicists would have you believe. Instead of a bathrobe, it’s a private meeting. Instead of a clumsy grope, it’s a “helpful” lingering brush of your breast. Instead of a disgusting proposition, it’s a greasy little implication that a few minutes together could lead to something better down the road.
This is no longer black and white. It’s gray. And people don’t like gray, especially when it comes to sexual assault, which they really don’t want to be thinking about at all. They like their sexual assault clear, recognizable, and not committed by men who are America’s marital hall pass. Should these stories come out, the public’s response to the victims might not be nearly as supportive. But the fact remains, you can like someone very much and they can still be capable of terrible things. Unless Hollywood reconciles itself to the fact that not all sex criminals look like ogres, the question we should ask ourselves is what solidarity hashtag we’ll be using a year from now when nothing has changed."
The thing is, R50, is that although the system doesn't actually work - that is, it doesn't produce actors and entertainers that the public will pay to see over the long term.
For the last 10-20 years people who follow film have noted that the era of the movie star is over, that there are no more actors who are genuine box-office attractions with fan bases that will follow them over the course of a long career. Before this people blamed the general lack of training or agents or an industry that drops actors as soon as they have a flop or two, but perhaps the real reason is coming to light. Hollywood has stopped looking for talent and is looking for easy ass.
I'm actually surprised that the powers at the top haven't put a stop to it, put out the word that the company makes more money if they develop talent than if they promote the easiest fucks. So everybody needs to get down to business and have fun on their own time. Why doesn't this happen?
Nothing changes if we don't want it to change.
Good post, R54.
The fact that so many big names are going down in such close proximity to one another already makes it a watershed moment.
It's almost as if the Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby allegations were a prologue to this moment in time.
Well, clearly the TV series Quinn mentions is Family. And the leading cast was small: Sada Thompson, James Broderick (Matthew's dad!), Meredithy Baxter Birney, Kristi MacNichol (who was only a teenager herself then) and Gary Frank
Who is Quinn referring to? I hope it's not Sada.
R54 is correct. Many of these so-called stars are pretty bland.
I wonder if Zsa Zsa will ever come forward.
I think it's safe to assume that most people have dealt with unwanted sexual attention at some point in their lives, because I know I have.
The over reporting of these situations will probably cause us all to become numb to them like we have to the multiple gun homocides and terrorist attacks. Reading all these stories have lessened the severity of their situations and mine for me, because it seems to be a normal rites of passage in life now.
I think it's just going to be commonplace to call people out when they commit these acts. That's a good thing. Makes no sense to keep quiet about this stuff.
A powerful man sexually-harassed an adult woman or man 20 years ago? pfft. It's not like it was any great secret. The statute of limitations has passed, the ship has sailed. It's ancient history. Going after them NOW would be like quietly deploying speed cameras on a freeway, quietly collecting data for a year, then sending $50,000 speeding tickets to 428,000 people for 50 weeks x 10 days x 2 commutes/day x $100/ticket.
In civil law, there's a tenet called "laches" -- basically, you can't hold something over someone else's head forever. If you have a legitimate complaint, you have to file a lawsuit in a timely manner or you eventually lose your right to pursue it. If your neighbor builds a fence 3" over your property line, you can't wait 17 years to complain about it.
A powerful man sexually harassing an adult man or woman NOW? Ok, THAT's a legitimate reason to punish and shun them, assuming you can prove it. Regardless of what people thought was OK (or at least the de-facto norm) 20 years ago, it's unambiguously intolerable *now*.
Harassing non-adults is a different legal matter entirely. But grown men & women? Please. 20 years ago, if you were an aspiring actor or actress, tolerating sexual harassment or groping was a known cost of doing business in the industry. Social norms change. This particular norm changed. But 20 years ago, it WAS a widely-acknowledged norm.
If a successful director *didn't* sexually-exploit women 25 years ago, it's probably because he only wanted dick anyway. The sexual candy store has officially closed its doors, but that doesn't make it right to punish the fat kids who took daily advantage of it back when EVERYONE went there after school.
Meryl Streep has called Dustin Hoffman in interviews "an obnoxious pig" when he burped in her face and touched her breast (at their first meeting!), then he slapped her while shooting Kramer. But nobody called him on his bullshit. And that was like a couple of years ago.
How many more have fallen?
Every last "actress" making these accusations will live to regret it. Hollywood will never change its practices,they are too entrenched (sex=part) they'll just change the way they go about it. Its all about sex and money in hollywood,always has been,always will be.
I think the people coming out complaining about getting their ass grabbed are diluting it.
I hear Uma Thurman has stories to tell.
Sizemore is down.
Sizemore was a has-been virtually his whole career. Now no-one even remembers who he is.
It is a watershed moment OP. There is no turning back. I am so glad I lived to see this.
I think it's become quite obvious that it is.
yawn. really getting tedious.
'We're not finished yet': LAPD predicts even bigger name stars will face sex-crime probes as it reveals there are 28 open investigations linked to Hollywood
R78 oh snap.
I seriously doubt any of those "28 open investigations" will go public much less get brought to trial.
I'm convinced that Hollywood is successfully covering up most of the serious shit, that the likes of Michael Bay and Bryan Singer and the high-level suits have managed to pay off or intimidate anyone who might send their careers the way of Kevin Spacey's. No big names are being brought into the public, and no more stories about forcible or statutory rape.
I think there will be more revelations but it will ebb and flow. Eventually some of the biggies, including the pedos, will be brought down.
no we are not---not one household name in the bunch
I seriously doubt "the Hollywood pedophiles" will be outed and destroyed in a burst of scandal. If there are known pedophiles in positions of power there, their bosses will do everything in power to avoid a scandal and besmirching their company and industry, so yes, the higher-ups at places like kids' TV networks will do everything they can to keep the scandal rom touching their brand.
So if any justice is meted out to The Hollywood Pedophiles, it will be behind the scenes. A CEO who is afraid an employee will become a scandal magnet will quietly get rid of them, depending on the individual circumstances they'll be fired and blacklisted, paid off to go live in the Caymans, "promoted" to head of distribution in Namibia, or die in a commonplace household accident.
Victims should keep speaking up and coming forward, but I hope and pray that nobody out there decides to make up a story and lie for attention.
If that happens, we will see two things:
1.) An innocent life will be forever ruined.
2.) People will associate those liars with ALL of the victims and then those who have been assaulted, molested, or abused will face crushing doubt.
3.) The spring well of people coming forward will dry up and turn to sand.
So, if anyone is thinking of completely fabricating a story to gain attention, think of the consequences first.
We don't want this to turn into the Satanic Panic of the 80's and there is a real risk that it might.
Satanic Panic Troll, give it a rest.
R88, A troll is someone who hits and runs and/or who expresses an opinion simply to cause outrage. A troll is not someone who you disagree with.
Besides, in this case, I think our disagreements would be rather minor. I think we both agree that victims should keep speaking up and we both agree that if someone lies about someone else they should be held accountable.
1.) Victims should speak up.
2.) People shouldn't lie.
Note, I said that we don't want this to TURN INTO the Satanic Panic of the 80's... I did not say that this was the Satanic Panic of the 80's.
It's hard to claim that those positions are trolling.
Ronald McDonald diddled me behind the watershed.