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New Trailer for Netflix Series "The Punisher"

Stars Jon Bernthal (Shane from Walking Dead). Fuck Spider-Man, this is the type of comic book stuff I like.

After exacting revenge on those responsible for the death of his wife and children, Frank Castle uncovers a conspiracy that runs far deeper than New York’s c...
replies 122Sep 20, 2017 2:52 PM +00:00

More comic book bullshit?

Hard pass.

replies 1Sep 20, 2017 2:58 PM +00:00

I detest the glorification of guns but I'm so incredibly attracted to Jon Bernthal who's a textbook case of BDF. So I'm conflicted about giving this a shot.

Did you spot the douche from Girls?

replies 2Sep 20, 2017 2:58 PM +00:00

Marvel and D.C. need to be stricken from the earth.

replies 3Sep 20, 2017 2:58 PM +00:00
So I'm conflicted about giving this a shot.

If you love Bernthal that much then it's inevitable.

And yeah, I saw him. He's playing Micro.

replies 4Sep 20, 2017 4:36 PM +00:00

Jon Bernthal did great in this role on Daredevil, I'm marvels bitch, will check this out.

replies 5Sep 21, 2017 6:57 AM +00:00

Marvel’s ‘The Punisher’ Pulled From New York Comic-Con After Las Vegas Tragedy

No surprise there. After Vegas, I've finally decided that my love for Bernthal isn't big enough to support a show which glorifies firearms. Besides, I've always preferred either martial arts or melee weapons. That's how real men fight in my eyes.

A New York story to the blood and bone, Marvel’s The Punisher has just canceled its October 7 panel at New York Comic-Con after the mass shooting in Las Vegas. “We are stunned and saddened by…
replies 6Oct 4, 2017 4:00 PM +00:00

This guy is too old and withered, pass.

replies 7Oct 4, 2017 4:51 PM +00:00

Interesting opinion. The author argues that there's never going to be the right time for this series to air.

Netflix and Marvel made the right decision a few weeks ago when the companies decided to cancel The Punisher panel at New York Comic Con in the wake of the October 1 shooting in Las Vegas that left 58 people dead and 489 others wounded. The timing would have been beyond offensive, which raises the question: When can they release their show about a superhero who shoots people?
replies 8Oct 17, 2017 12:46 PM +00:00

Second trailer finally reveals the release date as November 17th.

Known throughout New York City as The Punisher, Frank Castle must discover the truth about injustices that affect more than his family alone. Marvel's The Pu...
replies 9Oct 19, 2017 5:17 AM +00:00

Two trailers in, and it still looks like garbage.

I will pirate and skip through to the scenes with DL Fave Ben Barnes.

--the Ben Barnes troll
replies 10Oct 19, 2017 5:23 AM +00:00
Two trailers in, and it still looks like garbage.

I've actually heard some really good buzz about this show.

I hope that is true. After starting off strong with "Daredevil" and "Jessica Jones", Marvel television has really gone downhill.

replies 11Oct 19, 2017 5:38 AM +00:00

Marvel needs to take a break. They are overexposed.

replies 12Oct 19, 2017 5:48 AM +00:00

With Inhumans they are released their first unabashed failure

replies 13Oct 19, 2017 5:50 AM +00:00

I can't bring myself to watch this, let alone binge it. Anyone watching it?

These two review snippets are exactly what I was worried about, i.e. that it's interminably boring.

Far better than ‘Iron Fist,’ Marvel’s latest Netflix standalone is a tight, brutal six-episode story of revenge stretched exhaustingly and inexcusably over 13 hours… The Punisher has moments of excitement, moments of bracing violence and a well-cast star at the center. It’s also tedious for long stretches and, when it comes to plot details, astoundingly forgettable. The gun stuff is just an unpleasant capper. (Daniel Fienberg, THR)
Honestly, the worst aspect of “The Punisher” is that there’s not too much to say about it. It’s competently made, decently written, but never pushes any boundaries or challenges any big ideas. For a show which seemed, given the timing of its launch, to be so controversial, its most controversial element is its lack of controversy. (Liz Shannon Miller, IndieWire)
replies 14Nov 13, 2017 6:03 AM +00:00

Forbes considered it the best of the Marvel series

'Marvel's The Punisher' Review: The Best MCU Series Ever Made
'The Punisher' is the best MCU series ever because it doesn't care about anything else that's happened in the fictional universe.
replies 15Nov 13, 2017 6:20 AM +00:00

I kind of liked JJ and DD. I found them entertaining enough, bit silly but that comes with the territory. My favorite thing about them was the Punisher storyline because the goody goody hero on a pedestal got boring.

I tried Luke Cage but was bored. It seems too real-world for me and comic storytelling is too immature to hold my interest in an actual plausible storyline. Then I heard the one after that, explosive fists or whatever the fuck it’s called, is terrible.

Now that defenders is out I’d like to see it but I really, REALLY don’t want to have to slog my way through Luke Cage and the other one to get primed for it. And I really hope The Punisher is sufficirntly stand alone that I don’t have to catch up with the others. Can anyone confirm?

replies 16Nov 13, 2017 7:25 AM +00:00

It is not out yet r16, but this review says this

Since 2015, we’ve watched a “Defenders” world get built within the confines of Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage and Iron Fist. The Punisher has nothing to do with any of that. While the show relies on some prior knowledge obtained from Daredevil season 2, from the moment we pick up with Frank we’re on a completely different side-quest that serves the show well.
replies 17Nov 13, 2017 7:27 AM +00:00

Great news, thanks r17.

Do you think I can skip Luke Cage and iron fist and still watch The Defenders? I’d like to catch up with JJ and DD and I liked Luke enough in JJ but I don’t want to be “forced” to watch the other two just to understand Defenders.

replies 18Nov 13, 2017 7:30 AM +00:00

R17 I made a mistake at R14 - it actually comes out this Friday.

And yes, you can absolutely skip both Luke Cage and Iron Fist and jump straight into The Defenders. Everything that's needed is explained again so no prior knowledge is necessary.

replies 19Nov 13, 2017 7:33 AM +00:00

Thanks r19. I might read the Wikipedia summaries of the shows anyway ....

replies 20Nov 13, 2017 7:35 AM +00:00

Yeah, I don't think jumping right into the Defenders would be that hard. Maybe a bit disorientating at first but one could quickly get the hang of the relevant characters and their supporting characters.

replies 21Nov 13, 2017 7:37 AM +00:00

I’m three episodes into The Punisher and I think it’s terrific

replies 22Nov 17, 2017 8:59 AM +00:00

I think this review that R14 posted is right on the money.

Honestly, the worst aspect of “The Punisher” is that there’s not too much to say about it. It’s competently made, decently written, but never pushes any boundaries or challenges any big ideas. For a show which seemed, given the timing of its launch, to be so controversial, its most controversial element is its lack of controversy. (Liz Shannon Miller, IndieWire)

It's actually a better than good show. There's just nothing special about it. It's better than some of the other shows they've released. It's not as stylized as the other Netflix shows from MCU so it's refreshing.

There is no joking to be done here. It's all rather straightforward.

Jon Bernthal is excellent in the role to the point where if the show isn't focusing on him -- it drags.

replies 23Nov 18, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

I'm on ep 3 now, it is fine but not especially gripping.

Seems like I agree with your post r23.

replies 24Nov 18, 2017 8:47 AM +00:00

I found Ben Barnes naked ass extremely gripping.

replies 25Nov 18, 2017 10:36 AM +00:00

I wish the homeland security character was a better actress, that would help the show, I think she is unfortunately weak.

I'm surprised I like Ben Barnes here when I didn't care for him in Westworld.

The PTSD kid who is lost is completely unconnected to the rest of the plot so far, it will connect at aome point but seems there to pad the show.

It seems to be getting better as it gets along.

replies 26Nov 18, 2017 3:23 PM +00:00
I found Ben Barnes naked ass extremely gripping.

Lets be real, he is a skinny white dude who doesnt have much of an ass.

Gorgeous face though, and I like how him being good looking is written into the show. It works well.

replies 27Nov 18, 2017 3:25 PM +00:00

So that’s who Ben Barnes is! I’m binge watching the series and Googled him thinking it was the black guy and thought “Wait a second, that’s the guy with all the threads on DL.” Never seen him in anything before this.

replies 28Nov 18, 2017 4:34 PM +00:00

Come to the dark side, R28!

--the Ben Barnes troll
replies 29Nov 18, 2017 4:37 PM +00:00

Nah he’s too lanky for my tastes.

replies 30Nov 18, 2017 5:44 PM +00:00
Never seen him in anything before this.

What rock do you live under that you've never seen Ben Barnes before?!?

WestWorld, Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian, Stardust....

replies 31Nov 19, 2017 6:13 AM +00:00

Oh come on, I'm a Barnes troll but even I'll admit that unless you're a frau or a child (or both) you might never have seen him. His career has sucked long and hard.

Anyway, I want to hear more reviews from DLers before I attempt to watch. How tedious is it? Is it as dull and padded out as the other Marvel shows?

replies 32Nov 19, 2017 6:22 AM +00:00

I wouldn't have made it past the first episode if R25 hadn't told us that Ben Barnes' (extremely disappointing) ass would make an appearance. It gets more gripping from the fourth episode on. I'm starting the ninth episode right now.

I'm extremely anti-gun and was dreading this series but... it's quite good and I'm fist-pumping whenever Frank springs into action. There's not a single thing about the series that either bothers or bores me. I usually skip any family drama yet I like it in this series, weirdly enough. I disagree that the female agent is a bad actress; it's just that the accent interferes with her delivery sometimes and she's too young to have (enough) gravitas for someone in her position. There wasn't a single moment when she went out of character and believe me, I'm a huge stickler for bad acting and will be the first to call it out.

Bernthal I just want to fuck indiscriminately. What a face he has. He really should monetize it by making a mould out of it so his homosexual fans could ride the shit out of it. Fuck, that is one hot, HOT man. Even his bald patches are turning me on!

replies 33Nov 19, 2017 6:36 AM +00:00

Episode 3 was pretty damn good.

It's a basic story though... corrupt covert ops operating outside the rule of law or rules of engagement in war... and the men forced to murder innocents exact revenge on their evil superiors.

replies 34Nov 19, 2017 6:39 AM +00:00

The show plays with shades of gray well. Loved the line "He was a good cop... for a dirty cop."

replies 35Nov 19, 2017 6:43 AM +00:00

B.B. was my only reason for watching. Would not have watched the whole thing otherwise although there are gripping moments. Yes it is too many episodes but at least B.B. is strongly featured in all but the premiere.

replies 36Nov 19, 2017 6:43 AM +00:00

That's a common problem with the Marvel series actually... "the wrong number of episodes".

replies 37Nov 19, 2017 6:46 AM +00:00

A couple more thoughts... I found some complaints from reviewers (mainly CBM readers) that this doesn't feel comic book-y and that the Punisher in the comics just delivers justice, instead of being someone who keeps having emotional conversations with people around him. But trust me when I tell you, that shit wouldn't fly in 2017 in the era of Peak TV. I'm so intrigued by this deeper side of Frank Castle who actually shows human emotions and insight instead of just being an almost alien-like force of chaos. Makes him so much hotter as well.

Also, they should've made Ben Barnes hook up with the troubled hot blond vet. Just because. Besides, there aren't nearly enough homosexuals in these Marvel shows.

replies 38Nov 19, 2017 6:46 AM +00:00

Agreed, R38. Especially on that last bit.

replies 39Nov 19, 2017 6:57 AM +00:00

Those people are idiots. It feels very comic booky to me. In fact it annoyed me at first until I remembered what I was watching.

And there’s no way this show would be any good if Frank was just a mindless drone going around shooting people. That would get tired real fast.

replies 40Nov 19, 2017 7:04 AM +00:00
Besides, there aren't nearly enough homosexuals in these Marvel shows.

Considering the Marvel netflix shows are supposed to be more mature, they still present an annoyingly straight version of New York. Jessica Jones at least had Carrie Fisher's lesbian character who was given a love life and everything, but so many of these netflix shows and apparently there are no gay men in New York. Very annoying.

I thought Madani's homeland partner would be gay (it seemed to me the actor was), but they still made sure to say he was straight dammit.

replies 41Nov 19, 2017 7:09 AM +00:00
a mindless drone going around shooting people

Yeah, we have real daily life in the USA for that sort of thing. I'm glad to hear it's not overly gun-porny.

Thanks for the insights, everyone.

replies 42Nov 19, 2017 7:10 AM +00:00

It's actually quite thoughtful about the effects of PTSD in our soldiers when they come home, and how nefarious people manipulate them and use them for their own purposes.

replies 43Nov 19, 2017 7:14 AM +00:00

The show is a class act. Every live action portrayal of The Punisher has been an improvement over the last one.

replies 44Nov 19, 2017 8:02 AM +00:00

It's not simplistic. It's not clear-cut or black-and-white. Frank's "morality" and tactics are called out multiple times. There are consequences.

People who refuse to watch because they hate gun-culture are being silly. I loathe gun-nuts and gun-culture and the NRA and open-carry and all that bullshit. I cannot fathom why that has any impact on me watching this entertainment.

replies 45Nov 19, 2017 8:24 AM +00:00

Finished it. When all is said and done I really enjoyed it, though for me it took a few episodes to really get into it. But I am glad I powered through. As practically every reviewer has noted, it is definitely true that show is padded to be longer than it needs to be to tell this story, but that has always been true for these series.

Jon Berthal has always been a natural fit for this character, that was obvious from Daredevil, and Barnes was great as this darkly charismatic antagonist, he seemed to have a lot of fun in this role (though that New York accent was definitely slipping and changing).

It was a nice change of pace to have no superpowers (except their absurd ability to recover from horrific debilitating injuries, but that is the action genre), and to focus on the human effects of war.

it's just that the accent interferes with her delivery sometimes and she's too young to have (enough) gravitas for someone in her position.

I'm sure that is part of it, but overall it just didn't work. In a show where I thought most of the main cast was really bringing their A-game to make this work, to me she stood out.

Which speaking of which, Lieberman was a great companion for Frank but a minor plot hole that any gay viewer will notice. When he makes the drunken comments about how he is hung like a horse, did the show forget that he spent half an episode naked in front of Frank already? I was expecting a callback and was disappointed when it seemed no one remembered that.

Another thing that bugged me, Frank spending so much time with Lieberman's family which was obviously going to put them in danger. And then of course it does. You'd think Lieberman, who stayed away to protect them, would realize the obvious fucking idiocy of letting that carry on.

replies 46Nov 19, 2017 8:32 AM +00:00

TVGuide did an entire article about Ben Barne's butt, though I did not realize his butt in the first butt to be in one of these shows. Going where no buttocks has gone before.

Warning: Spoilers and butts ahead
replies 47Nov 19, 2017 9:26 AM +00:00

My goodness, someday our Benjamin might be more than just a DL Fave!

replies 48Nov 19, 2017 9:30 AM +00:00

So why doesn't Marvel get called out for its lack of gay characters?

replies 49Nov 19, 2017 10:08 AM +00:00

Someone did once ask the Russo brothers about the lack of gay characters in the film, and itseemed like it was honestly something they would like to do.

But yes, doing it an netflix show is a lot easier, which makes the utter lack of gay male characters (or even just feeling like gay men exist in New York, what if some random people Daredevil saved was a gay couple? It's not that hard to make your world feel more open), is embarrassing.

"It's incumbent upon us as storytellers... to diversify as much as possible."
replies 50Nov 19, 2017 10:34 AM +00:00

R50 Yeah, the lack of gay men (in Hell's Kitchen, for fuck's sake!) was frustrating back when Daredevil first premiered but this far along it's just embarrassing.

replies 51Nov 19, 2017 10:40 AM +00:00

I want Jon Bernthal in me QUITE deeply.

--The Quite Deeply Troll
replies 52Nov 19, 2017 10:44 AM +00:00

R52 If the Cro-Magnon face is any indication, you don't get anything other than "deep" with him.

He's one of those rare people I can almost smell through the screen. And he smells like a fucking MAN.

replies 53Nov 19, 2017 10:50 AM +00:00

Joey, who did a few episodes of Agents of Shield, is the only gay male character MCU.

That is through 17 films and 9 television series.

replies 54Nov 19, 2017 10:58 AM +00:00

R54 If someone mentions the gay couple from Jessica Jones, I swear I will flip my shit.

And they pretty much botched the Joey character, in my opinion.

replies 55Nov 19, 2017 11:02 AM +00:00

Finished it just now. I can't believe I was almost calling for a boycott in the beginning of this thread and now it's my favourite Marvel Netflix show! Yes, I like it even more than Jessica Jones which dealt with a more important subject matter but dragged in places.

I also dismissed the 13 episodes at first and said the story could and should have been told in 8 or 10. But looking back now, I enjoyed every second of it and not a single plot dragged in my view. Even the normally cliched dirty dealings at the CIA, DHS etc. had me intrigued.

Christ, I loved this so much! Particularly because of Jon Bernthal who imbues every line with such tortured weight and vulnerability I could listen to him read the proverbial phone book. He really is a pro.

I'm going to use a bit of SJW-speak now and say that this show could easily have embodied toxic masculinity with lesser writers and actors. But they managed to not only avoid that concept but nail it to the cross and finally drive a spear through it in that scene where Castle hugs the boy who bought a knife because he was scared. And also, it's so fucking refreshing to actually hear two adult (straight) men talk about how they FEEL instead of making us infer their emotional states via long-winded anecdotes from their childhood. Looking at you, Don Draper. May this trend continue. And I'm just gonna say it: I bet there's a correlation between having a problem with this more vulnerable portrayal of Frank Castle and being homophobic. Discuss.

replies 56Nov 19, 2017 2:25 PM +00:00

It doesn't touch Daredevil S1 or Jessica Jones for me.

But yes, this show never tries to glorify violence or "toxic masculinity", but I never thought it would be so lazy though. That is true to the comics, Frank Castle is a not a hero, he is a very damaged man.

replies 57Nov 19, 2017 2:56 PM +00:00

R57 You know what, upon further reflection, I'm going to put it behind Jessica Jones and Daredevil S1 as well. I guess Daredevil S2 and The Defenders really messed up my memory of just how good those two seasons were.

Castle's interactions with Karen were very touching and she never got annoying like in some other shows. But I would still like to see him interact with Jessica Jones where he could lighten up for a bit and just crack jokes with her.

Speaking of fantasy pairings, I would very much like to cradle Frank's neanderthal BDF in my arms until he stopped crying. I bet his ass tastes amazing as well. That is one lucky wife who gets to eat it every night.

replies 58Nov 19, 2017 3:22 PM +00:00
Castle's interactions with Karen were very touching and she never got annoying like in some other shows.

I was just thinking about how much Karen's character and Debra Ann Woll's acting have grown. She went from annoying in S1 of Daredevil to completely believable. She fit in perfectly and her conversations with Frank were touching.

If someone mentions the gay couple from Jessica Jones, I swear I will flip my shit.

Thing is R55, Carrie Anne Moss' character was originally a man. They reconceptualized the character as a woman and made her a lesbian. They also gave her a backstory which was part of the main story. That's an accomplishment.

It's important because there really aren't many gay characters in the source material or Marvel at all outside of a few of the X-Men characters. So they did what they needed to do to give some representation which proves they're willing to do it. Now if they could only do it with a gay male character we'd be square.

(There was a huge thread on whether or not movies should create characters to represent groups when none exist. It worked here.)

replies 59Nov 19, 2017 3:47 PM +00:00

Deborah Ann Woll has always been talented, I get people sometimes found the writing choices for Karen annoying, but I don't think she gave a false note in her performance.

replies 60Nov 19, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

R59 I meant that gay couple that Killgrave kidnaps towards the end, seeing how we were talking about gay men. Of course, I appreciate Moss' and her wife's character as well. I actually loved both of them.

replies 61Nov 19, 2017 3:53 PM +00:00

Got cha R61, apologies for misunderstanding. I completely forgot about that couple.

I think it says something that Melissa Rosenberg from Jessica Jones, the only woman to head one of these shows, was willing to include LGBT characters and not just say she might.

replies 62Nov 19, 2017 3:57 PM +00:00
I completely forgot about that couple.

You aren't the only one, it is a pretty blink and you miss it thing.

I think it says something that Melissa Rosenberg from Jessica Jones, the only woman to head one of these shows, was willing to include LGBT characters and not just say she might.

Yep. Not surprised it was the woman, not the straight men in charge of all the other shows, that thought to include non-straight characters.

replies 63Nov 19, 2017 4:05 PM +00:00

R62 It's going to have women directors helming the entire second season so hopefully it gets even better on that front! I would very much like to see that cute assistant of hers dating a guy. I couldn't keep my eyes off him in The Defenders.

R50 Why the hell are they asking the Russo bothers about this? As if they're going to include a gay character/couple in Infinity War. Unless they're finally confirming Stucky, they're pretty limited in what they can do. The Marvel Netflix shows are the correct venue to gay and lez it up first.

Having said that, I have always claimed that Thanos should be gay. His diva worship od Lady Death (and by natural extension, Cate Blanchett) makes so much more sense that way instead of just being a generic love story. Him being a gay single adoptive father who ravages the universe in his spare time would kick ass.

All 13 episodes of the second season of “Marvel’s Jessica Jones” will be directed by women, according to executive producer and showrunner Melissa Rosenberg. Rosenberg discussed the all…
replies 64Nov 20, 2017 4:15 AM +00:00

Episode 10 kicked ass.

replies 65Nov 23, 2017 12:02 PM +00:00

Still no word on a 2nd season but likely since Netflix renewed even Iron Fist. Punisher Rotten Tomatoes score is about 65% the second worst of Netflix Marvel shows.

replies 66Nov 24, 2017 11:00 AM +00:00
Punisher Rotten Tomatoes score is about 65% the second worst of Netflix Marvel shows.

The problem with the show is that it's only really good when the Punisher is kicking ass and killing people. So many of the season was just him sitting in a room talking to Micro. Great villain, though.

replies 67Nov 24, 2017 11:16 AM +00:00

Not true.

The whole series is really good. I can't even fathom why its RT rating is so low. It's probably third highest behind first season of DareDevil and Jessica Jones. I thought it was excellent.

replies 68Nov 24, 2017 11:25 AM +00:00

I've no idea why the RT rating is so low. Gun violence and unfortunate timing, probably?

Sure, I liked the action sequences, but I loved him just sitting around and talking with Micro. I guess loving both the talkiness and the action isn't that common among the critics. And I can imagine the same could be said for comic book fans as well.

replies 69Nov 24, 2017 11:32 AM +00:00

I’m sure it’s the gun violence controversy pushing it so low.

replies 70Nov 24, 2017 11:37 AM +00:00


It started off slow but got better. Critics reviewed the first eps, not surprised many said it felt plodding.

replies 71Nov 24, 2017 11:40 AM +00:00

I would add it is the same thing that helped Luke Cage, it got weak at the end, but critics reviewed the first episodes.

replies 72Nov 24, 2017 11:41 AM +00:00

It's definitely about 3 more hours than needed, but I think the low score comes from fanboys. Glancing at Reddit comments, a sizable number of them basically want Frank to spend every episode in a massive firefight. They hate the humanization, and are even bitching that he doesn't wear the skull shirt enough so it's not "true to the comics"!

I'm not surprised by this -- Punisher fanboys are colossal douchebags.

replies 73Nov 24, 2017 12:22 PM +00:00

R73 Eurgh, I can only imagine. I can't think of anything sexier than adult (straight) men talking about their feelings but I can see how that's totally not something the fan base would be ecstatic about.

replies 74Nov 24, 2017 12:31 PM +00:00

R73 can you link to the reddit threads please?

replies 75Nov 24, 2017 12:53 PM +00:00

There are a few. Here's one from whence comes this gem: "Its not too much to expect him to wear the skull and have more action. Thats exactly what his character is in 90% of the comics, and how the show was advertised."

This thread is for all user reactions, reviews, thoughts, criticisms, and general post-show discussion. Any reviews or reactions not posted in...
replies 76Nov 24, 2017 1:12 PM +00:00

Here's another. There are plenty of people in the threads who like the show as well FWIW.

This honestly felt like it was just a show that happened to have Punisher in it. Daredevil season 2 felt more like Frank's show than this.
replies 77Nov 24, 2017 1:14 PM +00:00
that the Punisher in the comics just delivers justice, instead of being someone who keeps having emotional conversations with people around him. But trust me when I tell you, that shit wouldn't fly in 2017 in the era of Peak TV.

I think it would fly. It flew on Daredevil. That’s the Punisher we want to see.

Im on the third ep now and it’s a real struggle to keep watching. Comic book characters, including (actually especially) on these supposedly gritty “realistic” Netflix series, aren’t really very interesting for who they are. They’re interesting for what they do. Especially Frank Castle. He was huge fun in DD because he was a ruthless man of action who was sure his plan was right and then set out to do it, by god, if it was the last thing he did.

That’s why he stole the second season of DD and that’s why he got his own show. And the series, so far at least, just walks away from all that.

replies 78Nov 24, 2017 5:31 PM +00:00

If I want to see guys sitting around talking about their feelings, Marvel isn’t my go-to, to be honest.
replies 79Nov 24, 2017 5:40 PM +00:00

R79 didn't watch the whole thing.

There's plenty of action.

replies 80Nov 24, 2017 5:41 PM +00:00

The wrong show at the wrong time.

replies 81Nov 24, 2017 5:49 PM +00:00

It's a perfectly fine show and there is never going to be a better time.

Seriously what the fuck is wrong with you, parroting that bullshit about a show you haven't even watched all the way through?

replies 82Nov 24, 2017 6:01 PM +00:00

R78 I still maintain your (simplistic) version could work even five years ago, but not in the era of Peak TV and certainly not nested between the last mass shooting and the inevitable next one. As an anti-gun Euro guy who believes real men use melee weapons, I would not want to spend a second watching that show you have in mind. And I have to say, leaning heavily into the military aspect was pretty savvy on the show's part as it lessens its association with mass shooters and distances itself from gun nuts at the same time.

R79 Good for you. I'll take it wherever I can. That it comes from Marvel only makes it that much more refreshing in my eyes.

replies 83Nov 25, 2017 1:09 AM +00:00

Just finished it. Netflix has another great show on its hands.

replies 84Nov 25, 2017 12:26 PM +00:00
Still no word on a 2nd season

Still no word? It only came out a week ago man.

replies 85Nov 25, 2017 12:29 PM +00:00

Like there’s any question of a second season? 😂 Yeah cause Netflix has so many great shows to renew, Punisher might get squeezed out.

replies 86Nov 25, 2017 12:40 PM +00:00

Nah, I'll pass...I will not watch a show that glorifies guns. DD, IronFist, Luke Cage and Jessica don't use guns to get things done.

replies 87Nov 25, 2017 12:51 PM +00:00

R87, there’s hardly any guns. You only see them every few episodes. Give it a try.

replies 88Nov 25, 2017 12:58 PM +00:00

R87 Not only are there not that many guns in this show, they're neither glorified by the characters nor shot stylishly. Well, except for the very opening of the season where a spent cartridge flies elegantly through the air, accompanied by a most pleasing sound. That kinda irked me but I promise there isn't any of that shit in the rest of the season.

It's also very telling that both boss fights at the very end of the season end with melee weapons and fists.

replies 89Nov 25, 2017 1:07 PM +00:00

Yes, I was prepared for disappointment thinking that battle wouldn’t involve fisticuffs but sure enough it ended up being a great hand to hand engagement. Great fight scenes are so much more impactful, in my opinion, than gun scenes.

replies 90Nov 25, 2017 1:14 PM +00:00
Nah, I'll pass...I will not watch a show that glorifies guns.

This is what you call "judging a book by its cover"... you have no clue what you're talking about. It doesn't "glorify guns". It's a very complex show about very complex issues and no easy answers are offered, one way or the other.

replies 91Nov 25, 2017 7:05 PM +00:00

Marvel isn't doing any more shows for Netflix. They are starting their own streaming service. (yet another one to subscribe to. No thanks.)

replies 92Nov 25, 2017 7:07 PM +00:00

It's difficult to 'binge' because it's so relentlessly depressing... but I watched in two-episode bursts over a week, and really enjoyed it. It was extremely well done imho.

replies 93Nov 26, 2017 8:08 AM +00:00

I binged it rather easily.

replies 94Nov 26, 2017 12:20 PM +00:00

Bernthal is fucking hideous and cross eyed.

replies 95Nov 26, 2017 12:37 PM +00:00

And why is his haircut so goofy?

replies 96Nov 26, 2017 12:37 PM +00:00

The haircut he sports for most of the season is pretty on trend actually.

And I can't believe I forgot to mention this but his bare torso looks like it belongs to a teenager. So. Fucking. Taut.

replies 97Nov 26, 2017 12:44 PM +00:00

This was much, much better than I thought it would be going in. They could have easily done this as a wall-to-wall gun and gore show and satisfied a core audience. They really stepped up and brought some artistry as well as asking some of the toughest questions facing society today.

replies 98Nov 27, 2017 4:29 AM +00:00

A video discussion of the first seven episodes by people familiar with the source material. One loved it, one liked it, and two didn't much care for it.

I hate that these discussions don't involve talking about Frank's BDF and his muscles. He's just so dreamy.

The Punisher Season 1, episodes one through seven are reviewed by the What The Flick panel. Alonso Duralde (TheWrap and Linoleum Knife), Matt Atchity, Meredi...
replies 99Nov 27, 2017 2:11 PM +00:00

I just finished it and thought it was really good. It starts slow. I've never really noticed Ben Barnes until now. I've always passed the crazy threads about him on here. I hope he's family.

replies 100Dec 6, 2017 6:42 PM +00:00


replies 101Dec 8, 2017 2:38 PM +00:00

Barenthal (sp?) is hotter than shit on a shit in the middle of summer in Alabama. There was a scene in Walking Dead where a girl grabs his crotch to have sex and you can see it is a fucking handful.

replies 102Dec 8, 2017 2:48 PM +00:00

Is Bernthal a Jew? I hope so. 🤤

replies 103Dec 8, 2017 3:01 PM +00:00

Yes, he's an Ashkenazi Jew on both of his parents' sides. But he turns me on precisely because his face looks so caveman-like and unlike any ethnicity I'm familiar with. Sex on a stick.

replies 104Dec 8, 2017 3:08 PM +00:00

Renewed for another season!

“Time to reload. #ThePunisher Season 2 is coming.”
replies 105Dec 12, 2017 11:53 AM +00:00

Glad it will still be on Netflix

replies 106Dec 12, 2017 12:29 PM +00:00

R96 he looks like Moe of the Stooges in OP picture.

replies 107Dec 12, 2017 2:41 PM +00:00

What's the point of watching a 2nd season if Ben Barnes' face will be all fucked up?

--the Ben Barnes troll
replies 108Dec 12, 2017 4:23 PM +00:00

Ben Barnes ass!

--The Ben Barnes Crotch Troll
replies 109Dec 12, 2017 6:27 PM +00:00

Great news about season 2. I didn’t think it would be on Netflix.

replies 110Dec 12, 2017 7:28 PM +00:00

The idea the Marvel netflix shows are going to be removed from Netflix was overhyped, no real source has ever said that.

replies 111Dec 12, 2017 7:30 PM +00:00

R109 But Crotch Troll, why is your post about ass??

replies 112Dec 13, 2017 12:45 PM +00:00

R112 I say my prayers every night that we will one day be blessed with BB’s uncovered crotch but for now the ass is Mecca obtainable.

replies 113Dec 13, 2017 11:15 PM +00:00
The idea the Marvel netflix shows are going to be removed from Netflix was overhyped, no real source has ever said that.

It wasn’t overhyped, just premature. The service is a ways out and Disney can’t afford to go without Netflix right now, hence why they’ll get season 2. But will they get season 3? Season 4? The day draws near when Netflix won’t have a damn thing from Marvel.

That means Disney content will be yanked from Netflix beginning with the 2019 theatrical slate, so don't look for Toy Story 4, Frozen 2, or the live-action remake of The Lion King alongside future seasons of Stranger Things or The Crown.

Disney hasn't announced streaming distribution plans for its Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm properties, but you can bet the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) and Star Wars mega-franchises will follow.

Why Netflix, Amazon, and Hulu should be nervous about what Mickey is cooking up.
replies 114Dec 13, 2017 11:56 PM +00:00

With the Disney/Fox deal, Disney now owns a piece of Hulu. They may be rethinking their streaming service to move everything to Hulu. It would seem to be a better option that starting yet another streaming service from scratch.

replies 115Dec 14, 2017 9:49 AM +00:00

Why own a piece of something when you can have it all to yourself? Hulu was created by a group of companies that were too weak to stand alone. Disney is now uniquely positioned to make the whole widget, like the late great Steve Jobs always said.

The Fox deal only strengthened the prospect of their streaming service by a tremendous magnitude. It’d make more sense to pull Fox from Hulu, weakening it as a competitor, and then launching your service with content that nobody else comes CLOSE to touching. The Simpsons, King of the Hill, Family Guy, FX shows like The Shield and Sons of Anarchy and It’s Always Sunny combined with all the Marvel movies and shows and the Pixar catalog—all in one place. I hate adding subscriptions, but I’d be very compelled by this Disney service.

replies 116Dec 16, 2017 9:35 AM +00:00

It was a bit too slow and part of the allure of the Punisher is he’s such a refreshing change from the other comic characters. He’s not squeaky clean, he uses lethal force, and he’s utterly sure of himself.

The second season of Daredevil felt more Punisher than the Punisher did. They have to get back to that in the second season.

replies 117Dec 16, 2017 9:52 AM +00:00

The Punisher was really good, saw it last week.

replies 118Dec 16, 2017 9:56 AM +00:00

Nice interview with the showrunner.

replies 119Dec 18, 2017 10:16 AM +00:00

Jon Bernthal to his alt-right Punisher fans: "Fuck them"

Can a man really change? Can he transform himself into the man he really wanted to be all along? 'The Punisher' star is an interesting test of the proposition.
replies 120Jan 4, 2018 3:31 AM +00:00

Marvel’s The Punisher Season 2 Casts Three New Characters

Josh Stewart (Shooter) joins the cast as John Pilgrim, a man who has moved on from a violent past, but “circumstances will force him to use his old skills and bring him into Frank Castle’s world.”
Floriana Lima (Supergirl) will play Krista Dumont, “a smart, compassionate, and driven psychotherapist for military veterans.”
Giorgia Whigham (13 Reasons Why) rounds out the new cast as Amy Bendix, “a street-smart grifter with a mysterious past.”

And some speculation...

The unretired tough guy and the street-wise grifter descriptions might indeed point toward The Punisher adapting Garth Ennis’ The Slavers storyline for season 2, which is the current popular theory. Given how unflinching season 1 proved to be when it came to the subjects of PTSD and the psychic scars of veterans, Lima’s character – a military psychotherapist for veterans – sounds like she will be integral to Frank Castle’s ongoing internal battle. All three characters sound like they would fit into The Slavers storyline, but we most likely won’t truly know what Netflix has in store until much later this year.
Does this offer some plot hints for season 2?
Screen Rant
replies 121Feb 26, 2018 11:09 AM +00:00

The Punisher was really great, saw it all in record time. Can't wait for S 2.

replies 122Feb 26, 2018 11:56 AM +00:00